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Speaker 1: And Devin Gray UK correspondence with US. Hello, Gevin, hi there, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how are the negotiations going over Ukraine?

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Speaker 2: Well, it would appear progress if you listen to those

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Speaker 2: on the American side. It did to be fair the

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Speaker 2: Ukrainians as well, suggesting that there is progress that the

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Speaker 2: Americans are listening to what they want more. The US

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State Marco Rubia said a quote tremendous amount

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Speaker 2: of progress in honing this plan, which has been cautiously

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Speaker 2: welcomed by Russia, but certainly the leaders of Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: indeed Europe are not comfortable with it at all. We're hoping,

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Speaker 2: of course, those amendments will be more in Ukraine's favor.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just trying to pick apart the plans, the

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Speaker 2: counter proposal peace plans by Europe which were unveiled last

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Speaker 2: night amid some kind of secrecy, it would appear and

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Speaker 2: what is different to the American plans, and there's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of tinkering around the side. Very interesting that

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Speaker 2: they are considering offering Russia to come back into the

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Speaker 2: G eight group of nations. Of course, we know that

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin's always been rather had his nose put out

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Speaker 2: of place by that when they were annexed from the

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Speaker 2: G eight back in twenty fourteen when they took on Crimea.

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Speaker 2: And they're also saying that the sanctions, if agreed, would

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Speaker 2: be slowly withdrawn over Russia if peace is agreed, and

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Speaker 2: I suppose in other highlights, the European plan look at

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Speaker 2: holding elections as soon as possible in Ukraine after the

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Speaker 2: signing of a peace agreement. That's very similar to what

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's plan had suggested the size of the Ukraine

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Speaker 2: military cap tod eight hundred thousand in peacetime, NATO agreeing

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Speaker 2: not to permanently stationed troops in Ukraine, but also saying

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Speaker 2: that NATO fighter jets will be stationed across the border

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Speaker 2: in Poland, and saying that the article in NATO where

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Speaker 2: an attack on one member is an attack on all

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Speaker 2: members very much now on the table and wanting to

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Speaker 2: be enshrined into any peace deal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, what do we know about this case as

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Speaker 1: being reported of a Romanian grooming gang and the ringleader

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Speaker 1: they are being offered about fifteen hundred pounds to be deported.

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Speaker 2: Well, criminals are in this country, of course, if they

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Speaker 2: are foreign criminals and face and a sentence of over

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Speaker 2: about a year are therefore compulsorily compulsorily just considered for deportation.

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Speaker 2: Now in this case, the government is also looking at

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Speaker 2: cases where it considers it cheaper to offer somebody about

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Speaker 2: three and a half thousand New Zealand dollars just to

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Speaker 2: leave the country, because they consider that cheaper than going

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Speaker 2: through the courts and trying to get that deportation or

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Speaker 2: to underway. In this instance, that offer of three and

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Speaker 2: a half thousand New Zealand dollars appears to have been

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Speaker 2: made to the ringleader of a Romanian grooming gang in

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Speaker 2: prison a waiting trial for ten rapes. Now, obviously this

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Speaker 2: is not what is meant to happen. The thirty eight

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Speaker 2: year olders are thoroughly a nasty piece of work according

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Speaker 2: to the evidence, raping, drugging, exploiting, violnable women in Scotland.

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Speaker 2: And yet this offer was made that must it appear,

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Speaker 2: have been a mistake. What's more amazing is that during

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Speaker 2: this court case it would appear that his right to

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Speaker 2: remain in the UK was extended. And that's because that's

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Speaker 2: all part of the EU settlement scheme, where a member

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Speaker 2: of the European Union can live in the UK on

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Speaker 2: a semi permanent basis. So the idea that that again

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Speaker 2: did not take into account of what was happening in

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Speaker 2: the courts is quite extraordinary and shows I'm afraid more

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Speaker 2: chaos at the heart of these systems.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be driving voters absolutely nuts. Now, would

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Speaker 1: you have paid one point seven eight million pounds for

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Speaker 1: a watch that came from the Titanic and.

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Speaker 2: No, But what a remarkable story this is, though, the

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Speaker 2: history of this watch is absolutely amazing. So probably the

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Speaker 2: richest couple aboard the Titanic when it sank on the

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Speaker 2: fourteenth of April nineteen twelve were a couple called Isidor

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Speaker 2: Strauss and his wife Ida, and Ida was offered birth

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Speaker 2: on a lifeboat when the ship hit the iceberg, but

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Speaker 2: she refused, saying I would rather perish with my husband,

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Speaker 2: and indeed both did perish that night. But Isidore Strauss,

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Speaker 2: a husband who was a very well known businessman, a

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Speaker 2: Bavarian born American businessman, a politician, and the co owner

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Speaker 2: of Macy's department store in New York, also had this

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Speaker 2: amazing and very expensive gold pocket watch, and in the aftermath,

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Speaker 2: in the days after the awful sinking, his body was discovered,

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Speaker 2: as was the pocket watch, and the watch had stopped

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Speaker 2: the exact moment that the Titanic had sunk, and they

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Speaker 2: must have lost their lives in the freezing water. And

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Speaker 2: so yeap gone and sold. It's an amazing piece of

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Speaker 2: memorabilia and fetching a price of roughly three point eight

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Speaker 2: million New Zealand dollars, which quite frankly is supposed to

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Speaker 2: be a record breaker for this particular type of thing.

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Speaker 1: Incredible, Hey, Gavin, thank you very much. Gavin Gray, UK

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