1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence Here, Barry, Hello, good. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: Afternoon, Heather. They can't overturn the any decision to reverse 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: the oil and gas band. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Just wait for it, Barry, You'll wait longer, not going 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: to I've heard him say, Okay, you can wait for 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: everybody else can hear the update and the tech. Now, 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: what do you make of the road user charges? 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: Well, you know, initially, like you, I think I quite 9 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 2: like the idea of them, but there are so many 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: sort of anomalies in the system. Like one of your 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: listeners pointed out, small cars like Suzuki Swift's are they're 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: not as hard on the road as a big ute 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: or you know, a heavy electric car, So there's a 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: problem there. But it is really open to being gamed 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: the system, and it is at the moment, and that's 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: because it's I guess a paper system as opposed to 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 2: an electronic system, and clearly they're working on that, Chris 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: Bishop causes they're going to be. It will be the 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: old system is outdated and a new system will be 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: in place. They'll allow digital ruck records, enabling more types 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: of electronic ruck devices, and some apparently are already built 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: into new cars, which is quite interesting that so they 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: can be adapted for it. But you know, he says 24 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: that in the end, you should be able to pay 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: your road user charger's bill like you pay your Netflix bill, 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: or like you pay any other bill once a month. 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: But you know what about those like you pointed out 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: that don't drive around with an unregistered car? 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean then the problem with your Netflix spill 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: or the comparison is not a straight comparison, because if 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: you do not pay your Netflix bill, your Netflix is 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: not going to turn on, right, But if you do 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: not pay your ruck spill, you're just going to be 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: able to drive. Your car doesn't stop working, does it. 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: And that's right. If you're unregistered, who's to know that 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: you're even on the road. That's the problem. So I 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: don't know how they're going to build and the checks 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: and balances, No doubt Chris Bishop will be able to 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: explain that all. So you know, the system is not 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: going to come into place in short order. I mean 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: they will, I think by next year legislation will be introduced, 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: but he says the following year, that's the year after 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: the election, the ruck system will be open for business. 44 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: Well whatever, that means. I guess he'll explain what it 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: does mean. 46 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: In fact, So is the Pay Equity People Select Committee 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: starting next week? 48 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: Yes, this is the People's Select Committee. And I was 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: going it's. 50 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Got very Chinese Communist Party vibes about it, isn't it. Well, 51 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: People's Committee. 52 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 2: Well that's right, and you just have to wonder what 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: it's going to achieve. They say they've got fifteen hundred 54 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: submissions that they'll be considering. Now, this committee was thought 55 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: up by Marilyn Wearing, who, of course some would say 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: cause the Schnapper or snap selection of Rob muldoon by 57 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: crossing the floor on the nuclear issue with the Labor 58 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: Party and got out of part Earliament the same year. 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 2: But so she's come back, she formed this committee and 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: they're going to have a rotating chair now. It's going 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: to begin next Monday. And guess who the first chair is. 62 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: She's been brought out of retirement. Recent retirement. Might say, Nana, 63 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm ahuta. And you know, the thing about this pay 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: equity thing that people tend to lose face on is that, 65 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: you know, occupations being compared to other occupations that have 66 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: no resemblance to each other. So it's not a case 67 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: of necessarily women being paid less than the same occupation. 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: You can't compare policemen with I don't know, nurses or 69 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: mechanics or whatever. So you know, it's a silly system. 70 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: So the first hearing will be held next Monday. But 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: the interesting thing to me is I thought, well, who's 72 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: going to pay for this People's select Committee? Well, the 73 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: first meeting is at the National Library in Wellington next Monday, 74 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: so I guess it's pretty much self funding. But the 75 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: subsequent ones are going to be all online, so it's 76 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 2: not going to be that expensive to run. 77 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: I see. Okay, now that woman who was used in 78 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: the Hobson's Pledge ad without her consent and without her 79 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: knowledge does have a fair case here to be upset. 80 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: A woman called Alan Tummitty. I think it's terrible. You 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: imagine it. You're out on the road and you see 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: a poster with your own face on it endorsing something 83 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: saying that you're opposed to Maury Wards, and this woman 84 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: apparently is totally for Maori Wards and says that you 85 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: know it should never have been posted in this way. 86 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: Well she was apparently, it seems, with an agency that 87 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: had her photo on basically within the system and was 88 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: only meant to be used for editorial purposes, not for 89 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: advertising like this. So Hobson's pledge who put out these billboards, 90 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: they've apologized to the woman quite profusely and said they 91 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: didn't want to cause any upset. They thought it was 92 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: a stock photo that was able to be used, So 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: I don't think they can be blamed for it. But 94 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: of course you've got the Maldi party weighing on it. 95 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: The co leader Rivalry way to Tea. He says, to 96 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: use our beautiful Cooyer's photo or any other Maori intellectual 97 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: property to prop up a racist agenda, So he sees 98 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: it as being racist deliberately. So well, Hobson's pledge have 99 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: come out quite clearly and said it's not I wish. 100 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: Sometimes before he opens his mouth he thinks about what 101 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: is the background to these issues? Honestly? 102 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: That man all right, Barry, Thanks very much, Barry so Per, 103 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: senior political correspondent. 104 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: For more from Hither du Classy Allen Drive, listen live 105 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 106 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.