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Speaker 2: Rob le Mootto joins us on the phone right now. Rob,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon to you, and thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good afternoon things. Thanks for having me. It's all right.

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Speaker 3: I did ten seven while I was in the police.

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Speaker 3: I kind of kind of surprised a lot of people

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Speaker 3: as well, because I'd host the show. Then I'll turn

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Speaker 3: up at a job and some would say you're really

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Speaker 3: in the police, not point to a taser and say,

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Speaker 3: well that's a realer. So did ten years, mate, and

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Speaker 3: then took a took a year off to try some

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Speaker 3: other things before coming back. So yea, I've been back

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Speaker 3: for a few weeks now and loving it, loving it fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So you know this talk in this report that's come

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Speaker 1: out today, as you know, the recruits on their first

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Speaker 1: day not knowing certain things. What was your first day

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Speaker 3: I didn't read the report, but I've certainly heard that

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Speaker 3: it's come out. My first thing the job was incredible.

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Speaker 3: I was sitting at my desk about three or four

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Speaker 3: hours and looking at my watch and I was actually

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Speaker 3: thinking I don't have enough time left at work instead

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Speaker 3: of you know, it's time to go seeing So I

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Speaker 3: was pretty young, I was pretty naive. I didn't really

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Speaker 3: know what I was getting myself into. And college college

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Speaker 3: actually set me up really well. I was on one

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Speaker 3: sixty six again at the college with some really good people.

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Speaker 3: I was the youngest, so I actually did a bit

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Speaker 3: to some work with some really good people, so very lucky,

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Speaker 3: very very energized. I got a little bit disappointed. It's

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Speaker 3: some of what I saw because I think, I think

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Speaker 3: my mum and did a pretty good job of sheltering

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Speaker 3: us from some of the real realities of some of

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Speaker 3: some of the areas of the community that aren't the greatest,

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Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, I think I think when I

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Speaker 3: Nuh But no, Look, I really enjoyed it, really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Didn't take it for granted, and and then obviously as

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Speaker 3: so sitting estics of the job. Just loved, absolutely loved

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Speaker 3: we're pretty lucky, pretty lucky.

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Speaker 1: Here, Hasson, did you what was your first arrest? Did

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Speaker 3: The rest was someone who stole a peck at a

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Speaker 3: a receidivius offender. I know it's a bit embarrassing when

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Speaker 3: when you look back, but the tolerance for that sort

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Speaker 3: of behavior was pretty low, and you had to repeat offenders.

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Speaker 3: And this person had been wanted and had done a

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Speaker 3: and you kind of realize that some lawyers picked it

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Speaker 3: we know that it was for the totality of their behavior,

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Speaker 1: How quickly did you know? How soon from you know,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Look to be fair, and you know, no

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Speaker 3: But my offside I still remember him. He runs the

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of yelling and screaming, and getting

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Speaker 3: I certainly learned it's not. It wasn't what I thought

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Speaker 1: So you say, you know, slow downs, fellow, slow down,

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's like anywhere, mate. So I went to a

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Speaker 3: we don't do it that way. We do it this way.

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Speaker 3: So I think in an industry, you go and learn

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Speaker 3: well they're not really. They're good at what they do

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Speaker 3: And I think at college made they've got the hardest

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Speaker 3: So it was like, it's just yeah, I mean, the

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Speaker 3: Like they'll put something up and they'll say, look, the

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Speaker 3: But our team have put up with stuff for five, six,

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Speaker 3: I do feel for our teams. But we've got some

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Speaker 3: I'm lucky I came out at a time where being

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Speaker 3: these horrible things. But I don't know a colleague that

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Speaker 3: So I mean I missed that. I really missed it

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Speaker 3: I've come back, and I think it's funny now because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually like, you know, going back to this report,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, so I haven't read the report, so I

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Speaker 3: Age is not a limit to what we do the

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Speaker 3: Is it because I experienced some stuff when I was

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Speaker 3: just they're only a year in and we know they

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Speaker 3: We have some.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll just put it. I'll put it this way.

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Speaker 3: We're clearly patient. Look, it's putting good people around them,

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Speaker 3: I know these opportunities. But for me too, we see

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Speaker 3: saying that I'm not saying that it isn't answer come

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rob, it's been fantastic to chat with you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much forgiving at your time, and what a

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