1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,653 --> 00:00:19,053 Speaker 2: So we're talking about the price of alcohol at off 4 00:00:19,813 --> 00:00:23,012 Speaker 2: versus on licenses. Off licenses, your liquor stores, your supermarkets, 5 00:00:23,093 --> 00:00:26,493 Speaker 2: on licenses, bars, restaurants and cafes, et cetera. There has 6 00:00:26,533 --> 00:00:30,693 Speaker 2: been a growing call for off licensed premises to have 7 00:00:30,732 --> 00:00:33,373 Speaker 2: an increase in the price of alcohol and bars and 8 00:00:33,412 --> 00:00:35,333 Speaker 2: restaurants take the text off completely. 9 00:00:35,412 --> 00:00:37,613 Speaker 3: That is your Yeah, no one else is calling for that, 10 00:00:37,973 --> 00:00:38,853 Speaker 3: only I'm calling for that. 11 00:00:39,013 --> 00:00:40,172 Speaker 2: Yeah. 12 00:00:40,533 --> 00:00:43,013 Speaker 3: Someone says I agree with Matt, but don't get behind 13 00:00:43,452 --> 00:00:45,333 Speaker 3: a wheel Absolutely, one hundred percent. Yeah, I mean that 14 00:00:45,693 --> 00:00:48,533 Speaker 3: is Hi, guys, are the damage done? The damage done 15 00:00:48,533 --> 00:00:50,653 Speaker 3: would change as many of those drinking out would be 16 00:00:50,693 --> 00:00:53,213 Speaker 3: tempted to drive home. Thanks Brett. I'm not tempted to 17 00:00:53,253 --> 00:00:55,693 Speaker 3: drive home when I'm drinking out. I think, I mean, 18 00:00:55,693 --> 00:00:57,572 Speaker 3: I think we're getting the message through not to drink drive, 19 00:00:57,613 --> 00:01:02,733 Speaker 3: aren't we. I mean, yeah, absolutely slam people that drink 20 00:01:02,813 --> 00:01:06,572 Speaker 3: drive and to get home. Yep, absolutely, yea, yeah, absolutely, 21 00:01:06,613 --> 00:01:09,053 Speaker 3: But I think people going out and look, the thing 22 00:01:09,133 --> 00:01:12,893 Speaker 3: is that people aren't always going out to get hammered. 23 00:01:13,173 --> 00:01:16,533 Speaker 3: People go to a restaurant and have a glass of wine, right, 24 00:01:16,733 --> 00:01:22,173 Speaker 3: and that should I just don't think that four My 25 00:01:22,292 --> 00:01:25,452 Speaker 3: point is eighty four percent of its drunk off off licenses, right. 26 00:01:26,493 --> 00:01:28,853 Speaker 3: We want people drinking. I personally want people drinking at 27 00:01:28,893 --> 00:01:33,453 Speaker 3: bars because it hires people, that brings community together. There's 28 00:01:33,453 --> 00:01:36,173 Speaker 3: a lot of great things, and it's a much safer place, 29 00:01:36,212 --> 00:01:40,773 Speaker 3: and nearly all the damage from alcohol happens from people 30 00:01:40,893 --> 00:01:44,452 Speaker 3: drinking at home. This person says, if the XIS text 31 00:01:44,572 --> 00:01:46,613 Speaker 3: was removed to make it an equal playing field for 32 00:01:46,652 --> 00:01:50,053 Speaker 3: off licenses in HOSPO, I can only imagine higher profits 33 00:01:50,053 --> 00:01:52,373 Speaker 3: to be made from HOSPO because they'll mark it up. 34 00:01:52,613 --> 00:01:55,213 Speaker 3: But if this higher profits made by HOSPO, then they 35 00:01:55,253 --> 00:01:58,133 Speaker 3: invest more, they hire more, and that's a good thing. 36 00:01:58,373 --> 00:02:00,573 Speaker 3: Right now, they are just holding on a lot of 37 00:02:00,573 --> 00:02:03,173 Speaker 3: people complaining about how much alcohol is out is that's 38 00:02:03,173 --> 00:02:06,893 Speaker 3: because it's so expensive to run a venue with staff, 39 00:02:07,573 --> 00:02:10,813 Speaker 3: with rings security, with the fact that you have to 40 00:02:10,853 --> 00:02:13,213 Speaker 3: be open seven days a week. But people are only 41 00:02:13,253 --> 00:02:14,573 Speaker 3: going out on a Friday and a Saturday. 42 00:02:14,613 --> 00:02:17,133 Speaker 2: They've got more regulations. They quite often need to have 43 00:02:17,213 --> 00:02:19,333 Speaker 2: kitchen stuff. I mean, there's a myriad of reasons, but 44 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:22,573 Speaker 2: those are reasons why it is primarily a safer place 45 00:02:22,613 --> 00:02:23,373 Speaker 2: to drink alcohol. 46 00:02:23,453 --> 00:02:26,733 Speaker 3: Right Yeah, Sam, welcome to the show. Thank you for 47 00:02:26,773 --> 00:02:28,933 Speaker 3: having me your thoughts on that sad But I'm. 48 00:02:28,813 --> 00:02:32,972 Speaker 4: Quite passionate about the subject actually, and I'd like to 49 00:02:33,013 --> 00:02:36,853 Speaker 4: speak speak how I feel about it. I feel like 50 00:02:37,173 --> 00:02:39,852 Speaker 4: if you want to reduce the fulham in Auckland, we've 51 00:02:39,853 --> 00:02:43,413 Speaker 4: got to look at where the real risk starts. That's 52 00:02:43,453 --> 00:02:46,293 Speaker 4: not your local bar or live music venue. It is 53 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:49,773 Speaker 4: the liquor store. Right now, we walk into a bottle 54 00:02:49,773 --> 00:02:52,173 Speaker 4: shop and pick up a high strength bottle of spirits 55 00:02:52,773 --> 00:02:56,213 Speaker 4: or a box of archids next to nothing, and that 56 00:02:56,293 --> 00:03:00,572 Speaker 4: drives the culture of drinking drinking heavily at home where 57 00:03:00,573 --> 00:03:03,373 Speaker 4: there are no limits, no supervision and no support if 58 00:03:03,413 --> 00:03:07,573 Speaker 4: something goes wrong. If you go to a venue, it's 59 00:03:07,613 --> 00:03:11,013 Speaker 4: a completely different story. That security at the door, trains 60 00:03:11,053 --> 00:03:14,053 Speaker 4: bar stuff at the bar, cleaners on site to manage 61 00:03:14,093 --> 00:03:16,133 Speaker 4: the hygien so you don't need to clean up your 62 00:03:16,173 --> 00:03:20,733 Speaker 4: platform with you know, often live music and entertainment which 63 00:03:20,733 --> 00:03:24,533 Speaker 4: brings people together in a safe and social environment. I 64 00:03:24,573 --> 00:03:27,653 Speaker 4: mean it's no brainer. We should be directing people to 65 00:03:28,373 --> 00:03:32,773 Speaker 4: license venues where they have the safety and security, and 66 00:03:33,013 --> 00:03:37,093 Speaker 4: they're built for holding people in a space where people 67 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:37,613 Speaker 4: are drinking. 68 00:03:37,853 --> 00:03:40,293 Speaker 3: Do you think it's unfair Sam, that when people talk 69 00:03:40,333 --> 00:03:43,813 Speaker 3: about the harm from alcohol they lump it all in together. 70 00:03:44,173 --> 00:03:47,333 Speaker 3: So eighty four percent, as I keep saying, is brought 71 00:03:47,373 --> 00:03:50,533 Speaker 3: and off licenses, and you know it's sixteen percent brought 72 00:03:50,533 --> 00:03:53,213 Speaker 3: at bars and restaurants, but that is all lumped together, 73 00:03:53,333 --> 00:03:56,773 Speaker 3: is one big thing. And as you say, Sam, one 74 00:03:56,813 --> 00:04:00,213 Speaker 3: part of drinking has a you know, not always but 75 00:04:00,773 --> 00:04:04,453 Speaker 3: has a community side to it and a positive side 76 00:04:04,453 --> 00:04:07,053 Speaker 3: to it, and one side, I mean the other side 77 00:04:07,093 --> 00:04:10,213 Speaker 3: does as well. But it's a very different experience, isn't it. 78 00:04:10,253 --> 00:04:11,813 Speaker 3: So do you think it's fair that they're all lumped 79 00:04:11,813 --> 00:04:14,653 Speaker 3: together and stats in the way we view. 80 00:04:14,493 --> 00:04:19,853 Speaker 4: It's probably not fair. They're too completely different things, Ooka. 81 00:04:19,893 --> 00:04:25,093 Speaker 4: I just live in Melbourne over in Australia, Victoria, and 82 00:04:25,533 --> 00:04:29,373 Speaker 4: they have got that alcohol pricing right. They discounted for 83 00:04:29,653 --> 00:04:34,213 Speaker 4: on licenses and off licenses. It's heavily packed and it 84 00:04:34,333 --> 00:04:37,573 Speaker 4: basically puts the weight on the drink. So if you're 85 00:04:37,613 --> 00:04:40,373 Speaker 4: at home, your drinking your hand that you've bought from 86 00:04:40,533 --> 00:04:44,213 Speaker 4: the off license, it's going to cost equivalent to kind 87 00:04:44,253 --> 00:04:46,853 Speaker 4: of what you would pay on an on license, So 88 00:04:47,013 --> 00:04:52,573 Speaker 4: there's no incentive to smash the drinks because they're quite 89 00:04:52,653 --> 00:04:55,093 Speaker 4: expensive to be frank, and it's not like in New 90 00:04:55,213 --> 00:04:58,573 Speaker 4: Zealand where it averages to be about three dollars for 91 00:04:58,653 --> 00:05:01,933 Speaker 4: a bear. There's no value on it here. That's where 92 00:05:01,973 --> 00:05:06,293 Speaker 4: I think Albin's drinking culture stems from, is it's so 93 00:05:06,533 --> 00:05:08,333 Speaker 4: cheap to drink at home. 94 00:05:08,373 --> 00:05:11,133 Speaker 3: And I wonder if people would, you know, there's a 95 00:05:11,133 --> 00:05:14,573 Speaker 3: lot of talk about preloading from young people before they 96 00:05:14,573 --> 00:05:17,693 Speaker 3: go to bars because alcohol is expensive and you know, 97 00:05:17,773 --> 00:05:19,453 Speaker 3: you're definitely not supposed to be in a bar if 98 00:05:19,493 --> 00:05:23,333 Speaker 3: you esteemed there were laws around that. Yes, but preloading 99 00:05:23,373 --> 00:05:26,213 Speaker 3: is a big thing, and that I think preloading is 100 00:05:26,333 --> 00:05:29,613 Speaker 3: primarily a price thing, isn't it, Sam, It's. 101 00:05:29,453 --> 00:05:34,173 Speaker 4: One hundred percent, you know, like if you say in 102 00:05:34,213 --> 00:05:37,133 Speaker 4: the average drink is around three dollars at home from 103 00:05:37,293 --> 00:05:40,293 Speaker 4: the off license, you know it's equivalent tool, but you 104 00:05:40,973 --> 00:05:44,253 Speaker 4: drink fly for the price of a Boka soda in 105 00:05:44,293 --> 00:05:48,613 Speaker 4: a bar. It's nonsensical, like to you know, if you're 106 00:05:48,653 --> 00:05:51,413 Speaker 4: if you're a student or you know someone a bit 107 00:05:51,493 --> 00:05:55,413 Speaker 4: younger that doesn't make too much money. Of course you're 108 00:05:55,453 --> 00:05:57,853 Speaker 4: in a preload. It's way too expensive to drink in 109 00:05:57,893 --> 00:06:02,613 Speaker 4: a bar and it drives help in drinking culture and 110 00:06:02,653 --> 00:06:05,413 Speaker 4: it's a shame. It's such a shame. Whereas in Melbourne 111 00:06:06,173 --> 00:06:09,613 Speaker 4: growing in up, we didn't have that so much because 112 00:06:09,613 --> 00:06:12,373 Speaker 4: how cold was expensive. So what would we rather do? 113 00:06:12,453 --> 00:06:16,013 Speaker 4: Would be rather be at home and a tiny flat 114 00:06:16,653 --> 00:06:21,133 Speaker 4: drinking in a crowded house and then the flats just 115 00:06:21,333 --> 00:06:24,213 Speaker 4: wrecked afterwards, and you know they've got to deal with 116 00:06:24,293 --> 00:06:27,013 Speaker 4: the aftermath. Or do we just go to the lovely 117 00:06:27,093 --> 00:06:30,253 Speaker 4: bar community bar down the road where there's a DJ playing. 118 00:06:31,213 --> 00:06:34,013 Speaker 4: You know, there's staff that look after you. 119 00:06:34,013 --> 00:06:38,373 Speaker 3: You might you might meet a lovely lady Sam. 120 00:06:38,493 --> 00:06:40,893 Speaker 4: That's it. That's where all the culture starts. 121 00:06:40,933 --> 00:06:44,493 Speaker 3: Or a new friend. Yeah, thank you so much for 122 00:06:44,493 --> 00:06:48,693 Speaker 3: your call. Sold it. This Texas is breaking news. Muppets, 123 00:06:48,933 --> 00:06:53,493 Speaker 3: supermarkets and liquor stores employ people and invest in our communities. Yeah, 124 00:06:53,533 --> 00:06:55,973 Speaker 3: but I don't know. Can you compare just one of 125 00:06:55,973 --> 00:06:58,693 Speaker 3: those as the police officer and the story described it, 126 00:06:59,013 --> 00:07:00,253 Speaker 3: one of these shittyers. 127 00:07:00,973 --> 00:07:04,333 Speaker 2: Almost a great quote, wasn't it. He really laid into hold. 128 00:07:04,053 --> 00:07:07,933 Speaker 3: Find that you know, uh, and they do. But can 129 00:07:07,973 --> 00:07:11,413 Speaker 3: you com here at just one of those little you 130 00:07:11,493 --> 00:07:13,573 Speaker 3: know exactly the kind of bottle store I'm describing with 131 00:07:13,613 --> 00:07:16,133 Speaker 3: one person working behind the counter. And look, bless those 132 00:07:16,173 --> 00:07:18,373 Speaker 3: people that work behind the counters and those bottle stores. 133 00:07:18,373 --> 00:07:19,933 Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of the most terrifying jobs in 134 00:07:19,933 --> 00:07:20,773 Speaker 3: New Zealand, isn't it. 135 00:07:20,893 --> 00:07:24,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. I mean certainly they yeah, they are 136 00:07:24,613 --> 00:07:26,493 Speaker 2: targeted by a line of criminals. 137 00:07:26,573 --> 00:07:29,413 Speaker 3: And look, Andrew, I appreciate your text, but I reckon 138 00:07:29,453 --> 00:07:32,333 Speaker 3: the supermarket's going to be right. I reckon they'd be right. 139 00:07:32,373 --> 00:07:35,013 Speaker 2: They'll do just fine. Thank you very much, Right keeno 140 00:07:35,093 --> 00:07:36,773 Speaker 2: on your views on this on One hundred and eighteen 141 00:07:36,773 --> 00:07:38,293 Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call. 142 00:07:38,653 --> 00:07:41,613 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks B Listen live on air 143 00:07:41,773 --> 00:07:44,493 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 144 00:07:44,533 --> 00:07:46,973 Speaker 1: go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.