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Speaker 2: Ed B cut of Good Afternoon. Welcome in to the

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Speaker 2: Sunday edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks ed B

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Speaker 2: for August four. I'm Jason Pine Nye McDonald producing the show.

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Speaker 2: We're here until three. Our Olympic medal tally up to

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Speaker 2: seven coming.

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Speaker 3: To the line.

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Speaker 4: Charlene Flory of the Netherlands gets the gold medal. You

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Speaker 4: Zealand Simma Tweag get silver.

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Speaker 2: In a twig with silver and the women's single skulls.

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Speaker 2: She's with us very shortly, unfortunately not to be for

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Speaker 2: Tom Walsh though.

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Speaker 5: Oh probably for my doctor. You know, I flip through

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Speaker 5: something like that.

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Speaker 6: I've been finding some wee nigols in there for last month,

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Speaker 6: and you know, knew that it was a possibility, but

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Speaker 5: I wanted to.

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Speaker 6: Commit to this Throws, and I committed to the sus

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Speaker 6: Rows that I that I was somewhat healthy on and

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Speaker 6: want to be city bet there tonight, wondering if I could.

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Speaker 2: Have just so so hard watching Tom Walsh battle through

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Speaker 2: injury and not register a distance in the shot book.

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Speaker 2: Great to see Jacko Gildo finish in the top six.

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Speaker 2: Lydia Co's on the show today ahead of the women's

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Speaker 2: golf which starts on Wednesday. Evening coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith

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Speaker 2: this hour too, on managing the emotion of the Olympic

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Speaker 2: moment and not letting it overwhelm you. James mcconey out

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Speaker 2: of Paris as well, and your thoughts too, as always encouraged.

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Speaker 2: Welcomes on the latest action at the Games of the

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Speaker 2: thirty third Olympiad Paris twenty twenty four. Other matters around today.

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Speaker 2: Sam Whitelocke our most capped All Black and test matches.

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Speaker 2: His auto biography is out. He joins us for an

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Speaker 2: mental performance coaches. He's worked across business and sport to

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Speaker 2: two will also preview Netball's a m Z Premiership Final

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

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Speaker 2: EDB back to back Olympic medals for singles sculler Emma Twig.

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Speaker 4: Florine still has the lead the Netherlens Florine could see

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Speaker 4: Emma Twig closing in and she's up to her stripe

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Speaker 7: To the line.

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Speaker 4: Caroline Florine of the Netherlands gets the gold medal.

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Speaker 4: Emma Twig gets silver and she's exhausted. She's given it

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Speaker 2: She certainly has, and she's won a silver medal to

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Speaker 9: How are you feeling, I'm I'm it's all sinking in,

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Speaker 9: but it's been an awesome day and you're super proud

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Speaker 9: as much pride in that story as there was the

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess it's something that I reflect on now,

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Speaker 9: There is the thing that motivates me and gets me

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Speaker 8: To be honest, I thought Tokyo would be the last.

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Speaker 9: But I guess what Tokyo proved to me was that

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Speaker 9: Was also much more appealing than four and just make

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Speaker 2: So that is it now?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm saying it's the last on flat water, but yeah,

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Speaker 9: single skull, I've achieved all that I want to a

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Speaker 2: It's been incredible And as far as the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: terrific regatta for the New Zealand team mate.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, LUSA is actually sitting right next to me now.

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Speaker 9: And she's giving me grief for saying that it's only

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Speaker 9: it's pretty unique, really, and there's some memories from this

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Speaker 2: Is she trying to get you into a crew boat?

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Speaker 9: Well, she's whispering in my ear, but Judith that our

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Speaker 9: high performance director is also having a little giggle in

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Speaker 2: So well, I'll leave those discussions to you guys, and

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Speaker 2: story that is. Fourth in London twenty twelve, fourth at

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Speaker 2: you know? No more the what do you call it?

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Speaker 2: four of them gold in the women's double skull, silver

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Speaker 2: I think rowing would probably be the highest deliverer of

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Speaker 2: Would have to be It wouldn't it so wonderful to

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Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's first trusted home builder, News Talks Abby.

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Speaker 2: Yes, News Talks ab Ah. Who said this? Tim? Tim says, Poney,

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Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier about your pride and representing New Zealand,

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Speaker 16: Yeah, Evan is very different to hear. But I played

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Speaker 16: a couple of practice rounds you know, last year to

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Speaker 16: kind of just get a feel.

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Speaker 8: Of the golf course.

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Speaker 16: But the weather was was pretty bad when I had come,

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Speaker 16: so you know, it was I was trying to survive

436
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Speaker 16: out there. But I think this is going to be

437
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Speaker 16: the toughest Olympic Games, uh, as of yet. It's it's

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Speaker 16: a very high level, high caliber, a championship golf course

439
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Speaker 16: hosting the friendsh Open and the Ryder Cups. So yeah,

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Speaker 16: you know, I think I definitely need to bring my

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Speaker 16: a game and as much as I am going to

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Speaker 16: try and play aggressively because the goal is to you know, meddle,

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Speaker 16: but at the same time being strategic and smart in

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Speaker 16: the way you know, I position myself around the golf.

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Speaker 2: Does it feel like a golf course that might suit

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Speaker 2: your game?

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Speaker 16: I hope it suits my game. I got no choice

448
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Speaker 16: around one way or the other. But you know, I

449
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Speaker 16: think the golf course seemed like a in a style

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Speaker 16: where it wasn't really fit for one style player. So

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Speaker 16: you know, I haven't seen the golf course in O

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Speaker 16: very years, so it'll be good to like see it

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Speaker 16: in like the championship, I guess set up and seeing

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Speaker 16: exactly what ta's if and all that, and I kind

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Speaker 16: of figure my way around the golf course.

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Speaker 2: I saw an interview with you earlier this year, Lydia,

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Speaker 2: I think was on the Golf Channel talking about this

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Speaker 2: Olympic Games, and you indicated then that this would be

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Speaker 2: your last Olympic Games. Is that still your mindset? Do

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Speaker 2: you think this will be it as far as Olympic

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Speaker 2: Games participation is concerned.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 16: I mean, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't

464
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Speaker 16: even know what I'm doing tomorrow, so I definitely don't

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Speaker 16: know if I'm going to be still around playing, you know,

466
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Speaker 16: when the LA Games are on. Obviously, if I am

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Speaker 16: competitively playing during that period of time, you know, my

468
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Speaker 16: goal then would be to you know, qualify again for

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Speaker 16: the LA Olympics. But I think at the back of

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Speaker 16: my mind, I'm you know, trying to treat it as

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Speaker 16: my last hourah and kind of give it my all

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Speaker 16: here and now you just never know what what's going

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Speaker 16: to happen, you know, down the road. So I want

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Speaker 16: to as much as I want to bring in my

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Speaker 16: A game, I also just want to really enjoy the

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Speaker 16: games and enjoy being here for my third Olympics. And

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Speaker 16: I feel like I play the best when I'm having fun.

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Speaker 16: So it's a you know, hopefully channel all of that

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Speaker 16: and put some good you know, put some good golf

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Speaker 16: on the score cud.

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Speaker 2: All right, And so just finally in the lead up

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Speaker 2: to Wednesday night over there Thursday morning for us, when

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Speaker 2: golf gets under why what do the next few days

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Speaker 2: look like? For you, Lydia.

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Speaker 16: I'm probably gonna try and get a few holes after

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Speaker 16: the men's are done with their competition tomorrow, and yeah,

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Speaker 16: you know, just rest up today. And you know, I

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Speaker 16: get used to the time zone and it's not very

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Speaker 16: often where our tournament starts on a Wednesday, so kind

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Speaker 16: of peace myself, and especially in big events like this,

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Speaker 16: I think the energy level definitely gets drained much more

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Speaker 16: than maybe our usual other events.

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Speaker 17: That we have on the schedule.

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Speaker 16: So just being smart and you know, prioritizing my practice

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Speaker 16: and yeah, I just enjoy it and hopefully I'm you know,

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Speaker 16: I'm excit for Wednesday to come around quick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are too, lydia thanks indeed for joining us

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Speaker 2: and all the best in the Olympic Golf tournament. Looking

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Speaker 2: to complete that set. Lydia co silver medalist and Rio

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Speaker 2: bronze and Tokyo who knows gold perhaps in Paris. I

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Speaker 2: think I said I said Wednesday, Wednesday night your time,

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Speaker 2: Thursday morning for us. There's actually Wednesday night for us

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Speaker 2: that the golf gets underweight. So we'll wait to see

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Speaker 2: how lydia Ko goes. Just more on Shelley and Fraser

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Speaker 2: Price that Dobbo brought our attention to. Yeah, so she

506
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Speaker 2: was a no show for her semi final in the

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Speaker 2: women's one hundred meters and from doing a bit of

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Speaker 2: reading on this or having some information passed to me,

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Speaker 2: it is to do with access to the warm up area.

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Speaker 2: Apparently the team buses are allowed, and obviously because I've

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Speaker 2: got the team athletes on them, they're sanctioned and only

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Speaker 2: athletes and accredited officials are allowed on those buses to

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Speaker 2: come into the warm up areas, but not everybody stays

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Speaker 2: at the village, including Shelley and Fraser pri. She just said,

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Speaker 2: Lydia kose she's not staying at the village. People make

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Speaker 2: their own decisions around these things, so they take private transport,

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Speaker 2: and Shelley and Fraser Price was caught on video yesterday

518
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Speaker 2: arguing with those who restrict access, and so there's a

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Speaker 2: thought that perhaps that happened again today. The official reason

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Speaker 2: is a hamstring injury that has ruled her out, but

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Speaker 2: on her Instagram, Shelley and Fraser Price has said, it's

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Speaker 2: difficult for me to find the words to describe the

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Speaker 2: depth of my disappointment. I know my supporters share and

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Speaker 2: shoulder this disappointment with me. I'm truly blessed to have

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Speaker 2: had the steadfast support of my fans since my Olympic

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Speaker 2: debut in two thousand and eight. The support of my fans,

527
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Speaker 2: my country in the larger community has rooted me in

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Speaker 2: immense gratitude that has sustained me throughout my career. With

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Speaker 2: every step and whin You've all been there for me.

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Speaker 2: My faith has always affirmed my trust in my journey.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for continuing to be with me today and

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Speaker 2: every day, so no mention of an injury there, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think more to come on this one. Piney rowings

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Speaker 2: all leg power, The arms do very little work. That's

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Speaker 2: why rowers make good cyclists and vice versa. Good stuff, Tim,

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Speaker 2: thank you the arms of there, says Roger. To hold

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Speaker 2: the sweep or skull blade. All the power is in

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Speaker 2: the legs, that's why they go, Thanks Roger. Mark says

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Speaker 2: I reckon, we're a chance on the kayak cross yep

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Speaker 2: good good point, Mark, Luca Jones Van Butcher both into

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Speaker 2: the next stage after their overnight stuff. And Andrea says

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Speaker 2: Jason just wondering whether the Enzidoc and Athletics New Zealand's

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Speaker 2: failure to send Zoey Hobbes to Tokyo in twenty twenty

544
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Speaker 2: one when she had qualified has come back to bite them.

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Speaker 2: If this had been her second Olympics, she may have

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Speaker 2: better absorbed the semi final pressure, but still an absolute

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Speaker 2: champion to me and to most Kiwis. Best wishes, Andrea. Andrea,

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Speaker 2: I could not agree more. Spoke about this yesterday, could

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Speaker 2: not agree more. She absolutely should have been in Tokyo

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Speaker 2: and who knows how much that experience would have helped

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Speaker 2: her this morning. I guess we will never know. Twenty

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Speaker 2: two away from One want to bring in Wayne Goldsmith shortly,

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Speaker 2: our coaching guru about managing the emotion of the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: It's all about emotion for us, us the fans. How

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Speaker 2: to coaches and athletes manage that emotion. We'll get some

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Speaker 2: advice on that and some perspective from our coaching guru,

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Speaker 2: Wayne Goldsmith when we come back.

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Speaker 14: One.

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Speaker 1: Crutch Hold Engage Weekend Sports with Jason Fame and GJ. Gunnerholmes,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's first trusted home builder.

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Speaker 2: News Talk News Talks the b The Olympic Games, as always,

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Speaker 2: have provided some incredibly thrilling moments of tension and excitement.

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Speaker 2: You look at the TV coverage, it's all about slow

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Speaker 2: motion replays, athletes with joy and pain on their faces,

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Speaker 2: shots of fans in the stands roaring with happiness or

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Speaker 2: sometimes with despair. The Olympics for most of us, are

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Speaker 2: about emotion, but really that is for us the fans.

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Speaker 2: So how challenging are pinnacle events for coaches and athletes

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Speaker 2: as they try to manage the emotion of these occasions.

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Speaker 2: Coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith joins us whe and you sent

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Speaker 2: me a great line on this. If you don't control

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Speaker 2: the emotion of the moment, the emotion of the moment

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Speaker 2: will control you. So how do athletes and coaches best

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Speaker 2: control the emotion of the moment?

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Speaker 13: Well, it's the same as everything, Pinty. It's practicing and rehearsing,

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Speaker 13: training in difficult and challenging situations and to expect that

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Speaker 13: that's the environment that you're heading into. And I think

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Speaker 13: there was a great line during the week talking to

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Speaker 13: one I'm a coaching buddies from the village during the

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Speaker 13: week he said, you know, the thing about the Olympics

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Speaker 13: is it's the Olympics. And what do you mean by

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Speaker 13: that was it's such a unique environment and it's all

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Speaker 13: based on let's get people excited, let's get the fans

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Speaker 13: engaged with watching, let's get more bytes on social media

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Speaker 13: and all that's driven by emotion. But then when you're

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Speaker 13: standing behind the blocks or when you're running out the

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Speaker 13: play seven, it's how do I manage my emotion Because

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Speaker 13: I don't want to be excited, and I don't want

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Speaker 13: to be stressed, and I don't want to be angry,

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Speaker 13: and I don't want to be overthinking. I just want

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Speaker 13: to do the job that I've trained to do. I

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Speaker 13: feel like it's almost the opposite. It's at the opposite

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Speaker 13: end of the spectrum. It's those get the fans excited

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Speaker 13: and the parents excited, and there's schools Excitedaliss get everybody

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Speaker 13: excited and pumped and revved up. But for the athletes

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Speaker 13: and coaches, it's completely the opposite.

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Speaker 2: So it's really, I guess, preparing yourself for what you're

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Speaker 2: about to face. So in that regard, Wayne, should training

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Speaker 2: and preparing for the Olympics be as hard, as stressful,

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Speaker 2: as challenging, if not more so than you expect the

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Speaker 2: event itself to be.

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Speaker 13: Look, it's an interesting discussion to have, probably because I

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Speaker 13: think a lot of people when you talk like this,

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Speaker 13: they misinterpret and say, oh, your meaning We've got to be,

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Speaker 13: you know, ruthless and hard, like you know the classic

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Speaker 13: coaches of the nineteen seventies standing and yelling and screaming

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Speaker 13: and barking at people. That's not it at all. What

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Speaker 13: it is is saying, look, we're going to go into

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Speaker 13: an environment which is going to be mentally really difficult

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Speaker 13: emotionally challenging, physically beyond anything that we've experienced in our lives.

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Speaker 13: We can't rely on wishing, hoping, prayer and luck. With

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Speaker 13: no disrespect to people with faith, well, we can't rely

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Speaker 13: on those things to get us across the line. So

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Speaker 13: what I find is people will go to national championships

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Speaker 13: in New Zealand and I say, look, we'll train about

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Speaker 13: ninety five percent, ninety eight percent of what we know

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Speaker 13: we're going to have to do when we get there.

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Speaker 13: And then when we get there, what I call the

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Speaker 13: sport fairy arrives and sprinkles ferry dust, and all of

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Speaker 13: a sudden, miraculously, magically, that extra two to five percent

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Speaker 13: will just appear as if sprinkled by fairy dust. And

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Speaker 13: there is no Olympic fairy, There is no magical force

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Speaker 13: that turns up on the day and says, okay, you've

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Speaker 13: only prepared ninety eight percent of this environment you're going

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Speaker 13: to be given. You're going to find somehow these extra

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Speaker 13: two to five percent because you're a lucky person. We

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Speaker 13: don't rely on those as winning strategies. So, in effect,

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Speaker 13: and it was explaining to me a long time ago,

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Speaker 13: a very very good, successful coach, He said, the majority

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Speaker 13: of people train at a level below the Olympic Games

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Speaker 13: and then wish and hope and pray and light candles

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Speaker 13: and do all those things that they hope will give

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Speaker 13: them the answer they want. The ones who win train

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Speaker 13: and prepare at one hundred and two percent. And these

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Speaker 13: figures are obviously just arbitrary, but to illustrate the point,

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Speaker 13: he said, they train at a level above the level

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Speaker 13: they'll expect when they go into the games, and in effect,

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Speaker 13: they drop into the games, they drop down into the environment,

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Speaker 13: and the experienced coaches and athletes get it the first

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Speaker 13: time is rarely understand that.

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Speaker 2: So in that regard them when you are preparing, can

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Speaker 2: a coach provide an environment where athletes can be disappointed,

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Speaker 2: can be nervous, can be stressed, and therefore learn how

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Speaker 2: to manage their emotions once they get to a competition.

645
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Speaker 2: Can you replicate that in training?

646
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Speaker 13: It's more difficult with the Olympics than it is with

647
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Speaker 13: anything else, because, as my buddy said, the problem with

648
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Speaker 13: the Olympics, he said, it's the Olympics and there isn't

649
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Speaker 13: a lot like it. But you can teach the principles,

650
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Speaker 13: so quite often say if we're working with young athletes,

651
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Speaker 13: one of the principles will do is take them to

652
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Speaker 13: a competition where it's going to be nearly impossible for

653
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Speaker 13: them to lose. To win, it's going to be very,

654
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Speaker 13: very difficult. So they might be fourteen or fifteen, and

655
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Speaker 13: they may race against sixteen seventeen year old's kids a

656
00:33:37,747 --> 00:33:41,347
Speaker 13: little bit older that are a lot better. And even

657
00:33:41,507 --> 00:33:44,427
Speaker 13: though the physical performance, you go, well, they couldn't beat

658
00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:47,747
Speaker 13: those kids, but you work with them on dealing with

659
00:33:48,067 --> 00:33:51,787
Speaker 13: managing and learning from how they feel. So they might

660
00:33:51,867 --> 00:33:53,627
Speaker 13: come back and say, oh, man, I've beaten by eight

661
00:33:53,707 --> 00:33:56,867
Speaker 13: meters there. You know those guys danced around me in

662
00:33:56,947 --> 00:33:59,747
Speaker 13: that seventh tournament. They say, Okay, how did you feel that? It?

663
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Speaker 13: Oh I felt angry, I felt stressed, and I felt

664
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Speaker 13: disappointed for us. Okay, now, how can we manage that?

665
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Speaker 13: How can I give you the tools? They're going to

666
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Speaker 13: teach you the skills to deal with frustration and emotion

667
00:34:11,547 --> 00:34:15,547
Speaker 13: and difficulty. And because as you know, and we've talked

668
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Speaker 13: about this before about moving on in football codes, is

669
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Speaker 13: that what we know is that if you don't manage

670
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Speaker 13: that emotion, So if you're in a sevens as A

671
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Speaker 13: classic example, a try scored against you because you've had

672
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Speaker 13: a defensive lap a lapse. If the emotions like frustration

673
00:34:34,227 --> 00:34:37,267
Speaker 13: and anger and disappointment of those things are still there,

674
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Speaker 13: you might let in another try because not only have

675
00:34:40,707 --> 00:34:44,347
Speaker 13: you had a defensive lap laps, your emotions are now

676
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Speaker 13: managing your performance to the point where it's highly likely

677
00:34:49,067 --> 00:34:50,987
Speaker 13: it's going to happen again. And you're only going to

678
00:34:51,027 --> 00:34:54,227
Speaker 13: watch NRL and Super Rugby a few rounds to see that.

679
00:34:54,307 --> 00:34:56,427
Speaker 13: If they see a player that's dropped the ball, drop

680
00:34:56,547 --> 00:34:58,787
Speaker 13: the high ball, that's who they pepper for the rest

681
00:34:58,827 --> 00:35:01,827
Speaker 13: of the game because they're going hang on. Not only

682
00:35:02,227 --> 00:35:05,307
Speaker 13: do they miss that ball, chances are they're still carrying

683
00:35:05,947 --> 00:35:09,027
Speaker 13: the ne gative emotions that have risen from making that mistake.

684
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Speaker 13: Maybe we can do it again and really capitalize, so,

685
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Speaker 13: you know, even at a relatively young age teenagers, and

686
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Speaker 13: of course goes without saying we do this ethically, we

687
00:35:20,187 --> 00:35:24,307
Speaker 13: do it safely to teach lessons about how can they

688
00:35:24,507 --> 00:35:27,427
Speaker 13: learn to manage the emotions they're feeling so that when

689
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Speaker 13: they get to a big crunch moment like in Olympic games,

690
00:35:30,627 --> 00:35:34,907
Speaker 13: they've had years and years of going through and experiencing

691
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Speaker 13: emotion and managing them and still continuing to do their job.

692
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Speaker 13: And Tony in fact, when people ask me, what's mental toughness,

693
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Speaker 13: so I say, mental toughness is your ability to continue

694
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Speaker 13: to do the job that you've trained to do, no

695
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Speaker 13: matter what happens to you or what's happening around you

696
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Speaker 13: in competition. Because that's the crunch, that's where we're trying

697
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Speaker 13: to get to.

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Speaker 2: Incredible device. The enormity of these event says you've said

699
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Speaker 2: the Olympics. The problem with the Olympics is that they

700
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Speaker 2: are with the Olympics. They had a pedacle for many

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Speaker 2: of the athletes there. I'd imagine that could be overwhelming,

702
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Speaker 2: but also motivational. Is there any way to tippet in

703
00:36:12,187 --> 00:36:14,627
Speaker 2: favor of the latter apart from some of the stuff

704
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Speaker 2: you've already talked about.

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Speaker 13: Oh, but that's that's a wonderful question. The the god,

706
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Speaker 13: I don't know the converse, the obverse, the reverse. I

707
00:36:23,867 --> 00:36:28,307
Speaker 13: don't do versus that. It's it's the opposite to that

708
00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:31,307
Speaker 13: is learning to manage. First of all, I can manage

709
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Speaker 13: negativity and frustration and anger and and expectation, all those things.

710
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Speaker 13: The other side is is to look at it and go,

711
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Speaker 13: this is my environment. I've trained for this environment. I

712
00:36:43,947 --> 00:36:47,827
Speaker 13: love this environment. I get excited about this environment, you know.

713
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Speaker 13: And I've met a lot of athletes over the years

714
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Speaker 13: who look at big competitions with dread pointing because it's like, oh,

715
00:36:55,827 --> 00:36:58,267
Speaker 13: you know, it's all on the line and it's going

716
00:36:58,347 --> 00:37:00,787
Speaker 13: to be tough. And they look and I've met she

717
00:37:00,947 --> 00:37:04,147
Speaker 13: asked as many, particularly the successful ones, and go, man,

718
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Speaker 13: I don't wait. Let's go. Let's go. Let's get into

719
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Speaker 13: the Olympics, Let's get into the village. I want to

720
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Speaker 13: get into that environment for the I want to feel

721
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Speaker 13: the emotion. And some people thrive and feed off it.

722
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Speaker 13: They drag the energy from the crowd particularly, and they

723
00:37:21,387 --> 00:37:24,987
Speaker 13: love it. And that comes down to preparation. I know

724
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Speaker 13: when I talk to kids and I say, have you

725
00:37:27,627 --> 00:37:31,347
Speaker 13: ever gone into an exam feeling really stressed and really worried?

726
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Speaker 13: And I say, yes, we have. Wayne, I'd say, why

727
00:37:33,347 --> 00:37:35,547
Speaker 13: were you stressed and worried? And I said, because I

728
00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,347
Speaker 13: didn't do enough study. And I said, right now, take

729
00:37:38,427 --> 00:37:42,187
Speaker 13: that into your sport. The main reason that you're feeling

730
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Speaker 13: stressed and you're not excited and invigorated by the environment

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Speaker 13: is you haven't done the preparation. Because I promise you

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Speaker 13: if you walk into an environment and go, man, I

733
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Speaker 13: am ready, there's nothing I could have done better with

734
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Speaker 13: my eating, my sleeping, my training, my gym work, my hydration,

735
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Speaker 13: there's nothing I could do better. It becomes an exciting,

736
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Speaker 13: a wonderful moment. If you're walking in going to yeah,

737
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Speaker 13: I know, maybe I didn't do this, and I didn't

738
00:38:09,547 --> 00:38:13,067
Speaker 13: cover on that, and there's holes everywhere, then you quite

739
00:38:13,187 --> 00:38:16,707
Speaker 13: rightly get a little bit nervous and stressed and frustrated.

740
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Speaker 13: And that's when you've really got to have the management

741
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Speaker 13: tools to deal with those emotions.

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Speaker 2: Always such an education listening to your Wayne, thanks for

743
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Speaker 2: taking the time. As always. Let's catch up again next

744
00:38:26,747 --> 00:38:29,107
Speaker 2: weekend as the Olympics come to a close. I'm sure

745
00:38:29,107 --> 00:38:31,427
Speaker 2: there'll be more lessons for you to impart to us.

746
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Speaker 13: Well, I'm going to force myself now to go and

747
00:38:33,787 --> 00:38:36,307
Speaker 13: walk along Evan's Head beach and have a coffee and

748
00:38:36,587 --> 00:38:38,267
Speaker 13: baking an egg roll at the end, Pony say, but

749
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Speaker 13: it's a tough fight. Someone's got to do it.

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Speaker 2: Good on your Wayne, and catch you again soon, say

751
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Speaker 2: I mate, fake Bobby, that's my golds, but offer a

752
00:38:45,707 --> 00:38:47,027
Speaker 2: bacon roll in the cup of coffee.

753
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Speaker 8: Love it.

754
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Speaker 2: If you want to read more of Wayne's amazing wisdom.

755
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Speaker 2: His website is WG coaching dot com. WG coaching dot

756
00:38:56,267 --> 00:39:00,267
Speaker 2: com is also across social media, Wayne Goldsmith, Away from

757
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Speaker 2: One Us Talk, SP's.

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Speaker 1: Good from the trash Field and the course on Your

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Speaker 1: Home The Weekends for It with Jason Vine The News Talks.

760
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Speaker 2: MB five to one on text Unreal interview Piney literally

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Speaker 2: taking notes here? Yeah, no, feel You're absolutely free to

762
00:39:16,107 --> 00:39:19,507
Speaker 2: take notes. All of our content goes online as well,

763
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Speaker 2: either on the News talks eb website if you subscribe

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Speaker 2: to the Weekend Sport podcast. All of our interviews and

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Speaker 2: the full show actually is available there shortly after we

766
00:39:28,227 --> 00:39:31,147
Speaker 2: finish every day at three o'clock, so you can listen

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Speaker 2: back or forward on the stuff that you found really

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Speaker 2: interesting to others who you think might find it interesting.

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Speaker 2: Carls is greater to you with Wayne. I found it

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Speaker 2: interesting how the Australian swimmers are saying that having the

771
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Speaker 2: qualifiers nearer to the actual event has really helped them.

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Speaker 2: They didn't need to peak twice. Interesting point, Carl, I

773
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Speaker 2: think Adam Peacock said the same thing yesterday when we

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Speaker 2: spoke to him that that's been a general theme with

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Speaker 2: the Australian swimmers and what a swim meat they had.

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Speaker 2: And still more to come, perhaps on the final night

777
00:39:57,947 --> 00:40:01,707
Speaker 2: of action tomorrow. So yeah, good point you make tonight

778
00:40:01,787 --> 00:40:04,267
Speaker 2: for the kiwis. Not as many kiwis in action tonight.

779
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Speaker 2: Daniel Hilly, Ryan Fox finished the golf. We've got our

780
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Speaker 2: sailors the Nacra, Erica Dawson, Michael Wilkinson, the dinghy, Thomas

781
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Speaker 2: Saunders and our kite foilers. Also Gretta Pilkington in the

782
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Speaker 2: dinghy and our kite foilers. This is a new class

783
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Speaker 2: to the Olympics making its debut. Lucas Walton, Khime and

784
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Speaker 2: Justina Kitchen also in the cycling, the road race for women,

785
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Speaker 2: Kim Kadz on New Fisher Black involved and Luca Jones

786
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Speaker 2: and Finn Butcher in the kayak cross. So that's what's

787
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Speaker 2: coming up, don't forget. You can listen to through the

788
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Speaker 2: night coverage of the Paris Olympic Games on Gold Sport,

789
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Speaker 2: also available via iHeartRadio from seven o'clock every night and

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Speaker 2: right through till nine o'clock the following morning. We bring

791
00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:50,907
Speaker 2: you wall to wall Olympics coverage. I hope you can

792
00:40:50,947 --> 00:40:53,227
Speaker 2: tune in and join us. We've been having fun doing it.

793
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Speaker 2: Hopefully you'll have some fun listening to it. After one o'clock,

794
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Speaker 2: our most capped All Black, Sam Whitelock joins the show.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest Fours issues on

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Speaker 1: and afterfield. HiT's all on We James Ford with Jason

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Speaker 1: Vade on your Home of Sports.

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Speaker 2: Used one seven. Welcome in this hour will get you

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Speaker 2: to Paris. Must be quite late there now three in

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Speaker 2: the morning. Maybe James mcconey said, look, cal so we

801
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Speaker 2: will James mcconey out of Paris this hour. He's been

802
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Speaker 2: at the track and field, he's been at the rowing.

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Speaker 2: I also saw during the week he'd been at the judo,

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Speaker 2: so maybe a bit on that as well. We are

805
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Speaker 2: going to preview the A and Z Premiership Netball final

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Speaker 2: as well. After two. This comes around at four o'clock

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Speaker 2: this afternoon at has sold out TSP Arena in Wellington.

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Speaker 2: In fact, those tickets sold out in two minutes, would

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Speaker 2: you believe two minutes? Incredible Central Poles, Northern Mystics, Tiana Matudo,

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Speaker 2: Central Pole Shooter, Mikaela Sokeolech Beatson Northern Mystics wing defense,

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Speaker 2: both with us after two. I want to start this

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Speaker 2: hour though, with Sam Whitelock, one of the greatest rugby

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Speaker 2: players ever to play the game five and.

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Speaker 6: Arriving touchline side back to the open left right in

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Speaker 6: callaher midway point.

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Speaker 3: Sat and the sail.

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Speaker 5: That's a peta ray for the All Blacks the semifinals

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Speaker 5: day head.

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Speaker 8: Egg for the semifinals.

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Speaker 5: Nearly forty FATS Data fans.

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Speaker 2: They're one of the most famous steals in All Blacks

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Speaker 2: rugby history. Rugby World Cup quarterfinal against Island last year.

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Speaker 2: Having debut for the All Blacks at the age of

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Speaker 2: twenty one, Sam Whitelock last year became the first and

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Speaker 2: so far the only All Black to reach one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty test caps. He finished on one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty three, the second highest by any international player, and

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Speaker 2: he captained the All Blacks in eighteen of those test matches.

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Speaker 2: He played twenty six Rugby World Cup games, more than

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Speaker 2: any other player, and appeared in three Rugby World Cup finals.

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Speaker 2: He's won eleven Try Nations Championships and never been in

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Speaker 2: an All Black side that relinquished the Bledislow Cup. He

833
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Speaker 2: also played one hundred and eighty one times for the Crusaders,

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Speaker 2: winning seven Super Rugby titles. Samuel Whitelock's autobiography is out.

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Speaker 2: It's called View from the Second Row. Samuel white Lock

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Speaker 2: is with us. Great to chat to you, Sam. How

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Speaker 2: happy are you with the way the books come out?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: Really happy.

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Speaker 18: You know a lot of time and if it went

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Speaker 18: into it, obviously went through it like you know, with

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Speaker 18: a fine tooth co and making sure there was nothing

843
00:43:35,907 --> 00:43:40,027
Speaker 18: in there that wasn't correct or wasn't my true feelings.

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Speaker 18: So it took a bit of time to do the

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Speaker 18: interviews with Dylan, but also so much time to reread

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Speaker 18: it and make sure everything was where I wanted it

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Speaker 18: to be.

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Speaker 2: It's a terrific greed. I enjoyed it very much, not

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Speaker 2: just the rugby stuff, but a lot of the formative

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Speaker 2: stuff as well. How much of the person you are

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Speaker 2: today and the rugby player you became can be put

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Speaker 2: down to your upbringing.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, that upbringing is definitely the big part of it

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Speaker 18: and something that I definitely wanted to have shined through

855
00:44:08,947 --> 00:44:11,827
Speaker 18: in the book. And the main thing is having four

856
00:44:11,867 --> 00:44:14,267
Speaker 18: boys under five years on a dairy farm in the

857
00:44:14,307 --> 00:44:17,427
Speaker 18: mentor or two. That's going to cause chaos, and it's

858
00:44:17,467 --> 00:44:19,387
Speaker 18: going to be full on and there's going to be tears,

859
00:44:19,427 --> 00:44:21,147
Speaker 18: there's going to be cuts and bruises and a bit

860
00:44:21,187 --> 00:44:23,307
Speaker 18: of blood here and there. So I wanted to make

861
00:44:23,387 --> 00:44:26,627
Speaker 18: sure that people understood that's, you know, what my upbringing was,

862
00:44:27,707 --> 00:44:29,547
Speaker 18: and that's hopefully come through.

863
00:44:29,387 --> 00:44:29,787
Speaker 15: In the book.

864
00:44:29,827 --> 00:44:33,307
Speaker 18: There's a few photos there of us growing up, me

865
00:44:33,467 --> 00:44:35,827
Speaker 18: being the tall, skinny kid. So there's a couple of

866
00:44:35,867 --> 00:44:39,627
Speaker 18: photos there, probably not the most glamorous, but that's just

867
00:44:39,907 --> 00:44:43,387
Speaker 18: what it was, so true representation of being a country

868
00:44:43,467 --> 00:44:44,147
Speaker 18: kid in New Zealand.

869
00:44:44,267 --> 00:44:45,947
Speaker 2: I think that's what a lot of people enjoy when

870
00:44:45,987 --> 00:44:48,587
Speaker 2: they read books about people they've only ever seen it,

871
00:44:48,707 --> 00:44:51,787
Speaker 2: you know, at the adult stage of their lives, seeing

872
00:44:51,827 --> 00:44:53,867
Speaker 2: what was what a Samuel White log look like as

873
00:44:53,907 --> 00:44:58,907
Speaker 2: a kid. Some great haircuts, mate, Yeah there's you know,

874
00:44:59,307 --> 00:45:00,427
Speaker 2: my hair is falling out now.

875
00:45:00,507 --> 00:45:02,827
Speaker 15: But back in the day you used to love having

876
00:45:02,867 --> 00:45:05,627
Speaker 15: their bowl cut. I think it was called had had

877
00:45:05,707 --> 00:45:06,507
Speaker 15: the longer hair. Yea.

878
00:45:07,227 --> 00:45:09,187
Speaker 18: My older brother loves shaving off before I went to

879
00:45:09,667 --> 00:45:12,667
Speaker 18: boarding school, so I think mum's actually got a bit

880
00:45:12,667 --> 00:45:14,427
Speaker 18: of it at home somewhere, which sounds a bit creepy,

881
00:45:14,507 --> 00:45:16,747
Speaker 18: but she couldn't give up the long hair.

882
00:45:17,307 --> 00:45:21,347
Speaker 2: When did rugby become something that really moved to the

883
00:45:21,427 --> 00:45:23,627
Speaker 2: center of your life, all close to the center of

884
00:45:23,707 --> 00:45:24,107
Speaker 2: your life.

885
00:45:25,827 --> 00:45:29,907
Speaker 18: Yeah, Rugby's always been a part of myself and the family.

886
00:45:30,187 --> 00:45:32,467
Speaker 18: So I do not remember a time where Rugby's not

887
00:45:33,107 --> 00:45:36,707
Speaker 18: you know, in the conversation, whether that's when we were younger.

888
00:45:36,667 --> 00:45:40,467
Speaker 15: When we're older, even now. No matter whenever we catch.

889
00:45:40,347 --> 00:45:42,187
Speaker 18: Up with any family members, whether it's mom and dad

890
00:45:42,307 --> 00:45:45,267
Speaker 18: or a brother or sister in law, Rugby always, you know,

891
00:45:45,467 --> 00:45:46,467
Speaker 18: is there in the conversation.

892
00:45:47,107 --> 00:45:50,547
Speaker 15: So it's always been a massive part of our lives.

893
00:45:50,587 --> 00:45:55,227
Speaker 18: But I think when rugby became a possibility to be,

894
00:45:55,667 --> 00:45:57,947
Speaker 18: you know, make a living out of it, there's around

895
00:45:57,947 --> 00:46:01,467
Speaker 18: that seventeen eighteen nineteen, and even now thinking about it,

896
00:46:01,547 --> 00:46:02,507
Speaker 18: there's no way I thought.

897
00:46:02,307 --> 00:46:03,947
Speaker 15: I'd be able to play a professional games.

898
00:46:04,027 --> 00:46:07,267
Speaker 18: So to be able to achieve what we've achieved, And

899
00:46:07,707 --> 00:46:11,227
Speaker 18: now that I'm retired at actual's sitting back and assessing

900
00:46:11,307 --> 00:46:13,547
Speaker 18: and looking and reflecting a little bit of Tessy very

901
00:46:13,587 --> 00:46:15,907
Speaker 18: humbling to know that I had such an amazing career.

902
00:46:16,347 --> 00:46:18,667
Speaker 2: I think throughout your test career, you know when you

903
00:46:18,747 --> 00:46:20,787
Speaker 2: reached miles stones and there were a lot of them

904
00:46:20,947 --> 00:46:23,347
Speaker 2: near the end in terms of you know, test appearance

905
00:46:23,427 --> 00:46:26,227
Speaker 2: records and things like that. I think often your answer was, look,

906
00:46:26,227 --> 00:46:27,947
Speaker 2: it's not the sort of thing I can think about now.

907
00:46:28,387 --> 00:46:31,467
Speaker 2: I'll look back when I'm done and probably enjoy it

908
00:46:31,587 --> 00:46:34,227
Speaker 2: more then. Now that you are well, I guess, well,

909
00:46:34,307 --> 00:46:37,387
Speaker 2: maybe done. Are you able to look back with a

910
00:46:37,467 --> 00:46:39,827
Speaker 2: certain degree of pride at what you achieved?

911
00:46:41,627 --> 00:46:45,947
Speaker 18: Yeah, there's It's weird because you know, there's a lot

912
00:46:45,947 --> 00:46:47,627
Speaker 18: of guys still playing in New Zealand. At the moment

913
00:46:47,667 --> 00:46:50,107
Speaker 18: that I spent a lot of time with the French

914
00:46:50,227 --> 00:46:51,787
Speaker 18: were still in France. At the moment the French team

915
00:46:51,787 --> 00:46:53,827
Speaker 18: that I played for, I want to watch them do

916
00:46:53,907 --> 00:46:55,827
Speaker 18: their fitness tests for twenty minutes and I was like,

917
00:46:55,867 --> 00:46:58,467
Speaker 18: I bugging this, I'm out of here, or just showed

918
00:46:58,507 --> 00:46:59,547
Speaker 18: up to annoy a few people.

919
00:47:00,667 --> 00:47:02,867
Speaker 15: So I'm still on and around the rugby environment. I

920
00:47:02,947 --> 00:47:03,787
Speaker 15: think when we get.

921
00:47:03,667 --> 00:47:06,147
Speaker 18: Home to New Zealand in a month's time and we're

922
00:47:06,187 --> 00:47:09,787
Speaker 18: on the farm and we're doing something completely different, that'll

923
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:12,987
Speaker 18: be a time where it will sink in and I'll

924
00:47:13,027 --> 00:47:15,547
Speaker 18: probably reflect on it a little bit more. I had

925
00:47:15,547 --> 00:47:17,747
Speaker 18: a few copies of the book arrived to us here

926
00:47:17,787 --> 00:47:21,227
Speaker 18: in France the other day, and just seeing it in person,

927
00:47:21,387 --> 00:47:23,427
Speaker 18: looking at it open and up and looking at some

928
00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:27,707
Speaker 18: photos definitely did get the reflection piece going. But it's

929
00:47:27,707 --> 00:47:30,667
Speaker 18: still probably a little bit earlier to really assess what

930
00:47:30,747 --> 00:47:31,147
Speaker 18: we've done.

931
00:47:31,467 --> 00:47:33,627
Speaker 2: It was a bit of chatter earlier this year about

932
00:47:33,667 --> 00:47:36,587
Speaker 2: the possibility of an early return. It would have been

933
00:47:36,667 --> 00:47:40,267
Speaker 2: very early return from retirement. Were you ever close to

934
00:47:41,507 --> 00:47:44,227
Speaker 2: coming back and playing for the All Blacks under Scott.

935
00:47:44,067 --> 00:47:47,827
Speaker 18: Robertson, Yeah, the desire is always going to be there,

936
00:47:48,147 --> 00:47:50,587
Speaker 18: and I think if you talk to any rugby player

937
00:47:50,667 --> 00:47:53,267
Speaker 18: that's played for the All Blacks or potentially was close,

938
00:47:54,467 --> 00:47:56,507
Speaker 18: there's always that little bit of you that will go yep.

939
00:47:56,907 --> 00:47:59,707
Speaker 18: If the phone rings, I'll definitely answer and have a

940
00:47:59,787 --> 00:48:02,987
Speaker 18: really good conversation with the kids and my wife around.

941
00:48:03,347 --> 00:48:05,147
Speaker 18: You know, is that something that we need to do.

942
00:48:06,627 --> 00:48:08,667
Speaker 18: I think that's always going to be there. And talking

943
00:48:08,747 --> 00:48:10,827
Speaker 18: to some other great players that have played with I

944
00:48:10,867 --> 00:48:15,107
Speaker 18: think their desire is always there as well. So it's

945
00:48:15,147 --> 00:48:17,107
Speaker 18: a hard one because you've got to walk away at

946
00:48:17,187 --> 00:48:19,587
Speaker 18: some stage, whether you're told you're done or whether you.

947
00:48:20,347 --> 00:48:23,427
Speaker 15: Pull the pen yourself. So just kind of going through that.

948
00:48:23,467 --> 00:48:23,907
Speaker 8: At the moment.

949
00:48:24,187 --> 00:48:25,787
Speaker 2: So are you done?

950
00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:28,387
Speaker 15: Yeah, no, I'm definitely finished.

951
00:48:28,827 --> 00:48:31,587
Speaker 18: But you know, I think it was Bija Lahore got

952
00:48:31,667 --> 00:48:35,907
Speaker 18: the sos and you know he left the farm and

953
00:48:36,427 --> 00:48:38,427
Speaker 18: when he played a tesmatch. I think it's a little

954
00:48:38,427 --> 00:48:41,187
Speaker 18: bit different now with being professional rather than just being

955
00:48:41,227 --> 00:48:41,907
Speaker 18: fit on the farm.

956
00:48:42,027 --> 00:48:45,387
Speaker 2: So we are done at the stage you divote for

957
00:48:45,387 --> 00:48:47,987
Speaker 2: the old Blacks. As a twenty one year old looking

958
00:48:48,067 --> 00:48:50,747
Speaker 2: back now, did you feel ready for test rugby?

959
00:48:53,227 --> 00:48:54,827
Speaker 15: Probably not. I think.

960
00:48:56,587 --> 00:48:59,227
Speaker 18: The best thing I had is I had the ideal introduction.

961
00:48:59,827 --> 00:49:04,507
Speaker 18: I had three really good coaches with Ted Smithy in Chad.

962
00:49:04,707 --> 00:49:07,387
Speaker 15: They really looked after me. They never threw me in

963
00:49:07,427 --> 00:49:08,907
Speaker 15: the deep end I played.

964
00:49:08,907 --> 00:49:11,307
Speaker 18: I think it was my first team met teen Test

965
00:49:11,387 --> 00:49:14,027
Speaker 18: matches off the bench, so most I played was around

966
00:49:14,067 --> 00:49:16,467
Speaker 18: twenty twenty five minutes, so I never really got exposed

967
00:49:16,507 --> 00:49:19,987
Speaker 18: to the brutality of it for more than that time,

968
00:49:20,747 --> 00:49:23,467
Speaker 18: and it was a time for me to allow my

969
00:49:23,547 --> 00:49:26,747
Speaker 18: body to grow, get bigger and stronger and actually build

970
00:49:26,827 --> 00:49:30,907
Speaker 18: up my defenses. And there's pretty much the ideal way

971
00:49:31,027 --> 00:49:34,427
Speaker 18: to be introduced to tesmatch footy rather than throwing the

972
00:49:34,547 --> 00:49:37,627
Speaker 18: deep end, get hurt, and then you're dealing with an injury.

973
00:49:37,707 --> 00:49:38,067
Speaker 15: From then on.

974
00:49:38,827 --> 00:49:42,547
Speaker 2: How long did it take you to feel at home

975
00:49:42,787 --> 00:49:44,827
Speaker 2: comfortable in the all blacks environment.

976
00:49:46,707 --> 00:49:50,387
Speaker 18: I probably never feel felt one hundred percent comfortable because

977
00:49:50,387 --> 00:49:53,747
Speaker 18: I always knew you're only one performance away from being

978
00:49:53,787 --> 00:49:57,827
Speaker 18: your last. But in saying that, obviously was around the environment,

979
00:49:57,987 --> 00:50:00,227
Speaker 18: got to know the people, got to know what was

980
00:50:00,307 --> 00:50:02,947
Speaker 18: expected of me, what was expected of being an all Black,

981
00:50:03,107 --> 00:50:04,427
Speaker 18: and then obviously being.

982
00:50:04,787 --> 00:50:05,627
Speaker 15: A senior a black.

983
00:50:05,707 --> 00:50:09,227
Speaker 18: So that side of it grew as I was there,

984
00:50:09,307 --> 00:50:12,267
Speaker 18: but it took a little while to kind of call

985
00:50:12,347 --> 00:50:14,747
Speaker 18: myself in all black. I still feel we're saying it

986
00:50:14,867 --> 00:50:17,707
Speaker 18: now even though I have been around the environment so long,

987
00:50:17,787 --> 00:50:20,627
Speaker 18: because it was exactly that. It was a childhood dream

988
00:50:20,707 --> 00:50:23,187
Speaker 18: and having a chance to do it for so many

989
00:50:23,267 --> 00:50:27,227
Speaker 18: years is very, very humbling, and it was an absolute privilege.

990
00:50:27,427 --> 00:50:29,667
Speaker 2: The word you use before to describe test rugby was

991
00:50:29,667 --> 00:50:32,827
Speaker 2: the brutality of test rugby, and certainly in your position,

992
00:50:32,947 --> 00:50:38,507
Speaker 2: the physicality required at test level. How much of being

993
00:50:38,587 --> 00:50:41,267
Speaker 2: able to do that test after test, week after week,

994
00:50:41,307 --> 00:50:45,627
Speaker 2: subject your body to some massive collisions is a mental thing.

995
00:50:47,307 --> 00:50:51,467
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's mental and physical. So like my introduction was

996
00:50:51,507 --> 00:50:53,427
Speaker 18: great because I I think it was one hundred and

997
00:50:53,507 --> 00:50:55,947
Speaker 18: six kgs where they wanted me around that one hundred

998
00:50:55,987 --> 00:50:59,147
Speaker 18: and fourteen one hundred and fifteen. So the biggest thing

999
00:50:59,227 --> 00:51:02,027
Speaker 18: for myself for those first couple of months was just eat,

1000
00:51:02,147 --> 00:51:06,187
Speaker 18: eat food, protein, get bigger and stronger, because I would

1001
00:51:06,187 --> 00:51:09,827
Speaker 18: have broken. And once you get your body to at

1002
00:51:09,907 --> 00:51:12,387
Speaker 18: state where you know that you can withstand those collisions,

1003
00:51:12,867 --> 00:51:14,787
Speaker 18: then it comes down to a mental game. Like you've said,

1004
00:51:15,147 --> 00:51:16,787
Speaker 18: it's been able to back it up time and a

1005
00:51:16,827 --> 00:51:19,787
Speaker 18: time again, and when you're playing week in week out,

1006
00:51:19,907 --> 00:51:22,067
Speaker 18: you've got bruises and cuts from the week before and

1007
00:51:22,147 --> 00:51:24,387
Speaker 18: you've just got to find a way to get out

1008
00:51:24,427 --> 00:51:26,947
Speaker 18: there and deal with it. And I think that's the

1009
00:51:27,027 --> 00:51:28,627
Speaker 18: best thing about New Zealand, and they do look after

1010
00:51:28,667 --> 00:51:31,747
Speaker 18: the player. We don't play too much rugby, so you

1011
00:51:31,907 --> 00:51:34,507
Speaker 18: do have little blocks you can look at and go okay,

1012
00:51:34,507 --> 00:51:36,267
Speaker 18: about five big weeks here, then I'm going to get

1013
00:51:36,267 --> 00:51:38,827
Speaker 18: a week off. So that's an easy way to break

1014
00:51:38,827 --> 00:51:41,667
Speaker 18: it down rather than look at it as a whole season.

1015
00:51:41,707 --> 00:51:44,067
Speaker 2: And one when do you reckon you were playing your

1016
00:51:44,107 --> 00:51:46,507
Speaker 2: best rugby? When were you at your absolute peak?

1017
00:51:49,987 --> 00:51:52,107
Speaker 18: I don't actually know that's probably for everyone else to

1018
00:51:52,547 --> 00:51:54,947
Speaker 18: make that decision. But I felt like I was still

1019
00:51:54,987 --> 00:51:58,227
Speaker 18: playing really, really good rugby right up to the end

1020
00:51:58,267 --> 00:52:00,427
Speaker 18: of my career. So there was one thing I was

1021
00:52:00,547 --> 00:52:03,107
Speaker 18: definitely aware of. I didn't want to be the guy

1022
00:52:03,227 --> 00:52:05,387
Speaker 18: out there that you know that the father had said,

1023
00:52:05,427 --> 00:52:07,187
Speaker 18: the son see that there he used to be a

1024
00:52:07,227 --> 00:52:12,547
Speaker 18: good player. I really wanted to finish and play to

1025
00:52:12,627 --> 00:52:14,107
Speaker 18: a really high stand in my whole career, and I

1026
00:52:14,907 --> 00:52:16,947
Speaker 18: would like to say that I did that, but yet

1027
00:52:16,987 --> 00:52:18,107
Speaker 18: again that's not my decision.

1028
00:52:18,147 --> 00:52:21,307
Speaker 2: To me, well, I think most observers would say that

1029
00:52:21,387 --> 00:52:24,827
Speaker 2: that was absolutely the case. Twenty eleven Rugby World Cup final,

1030
00:52:25,907 --> 00:52:27,827
Speaker 2: subbed off with thirty minutes to go. You said you

1031
00:52:27,947 --> 00:52:30,707
Speaker 2: hate it every minute of the rest of the game.

1032
00:52:31,107 --> 00:52:33,227
Speaker 2: How do you reflect back on that night now?

1033
00:52:34,427 --> 00:52:38,587
Speaker 18: Yeah, Like I said, I was twenty two, twenty three

1034
00:52:38,587 --> 00:52:40,667
Speaker 18: at the time, so I was the baby of the team.

1035
00:52:40,747 --> 00:52:43,507
Speaker 15: I was the guy that no one probably.

1036
00:52:43,227 --> 00:52:47,187
Speaker 18: Expected to be there four years before, but played every

1037
00:52:47,187 --> 00:52:49,227
Speaker 18: game at the World Cup. And as you found, when

1038
00:52:49,227 --> 00:52:51,907
Speaker 18: you're on the field, it's fine because you have a

1039
00:52:52,067 --> 00:52:54,667
Speaker 18: job to do. You obviously thinking about the linet calls

1040
00:52:54,787 --> 00:52:57,507
Speaker 18: or what you're going to do. But once I stepped

1041
00:52:57,547 --> 00:52:59,427
Speaker 18: off the field, I knew I couldn't have an influence

1042
00:52:59,507 --> 00:53:01,587
Speaker 18: on the game. I couldn't help the team because it

1043
00:53:01,707 --> 00:53:04,867
Speaker 18: was so loud they couldn't hear you. So I turned

1044
00:53:04,907 --> 00:53:07,587
Speaker 18: into a fan that the other key he was feeling.

1045
00:53:07,787 --> 00:53:10,947
Speaker 18: I felt helpless, and I remember I tried to sit down,

1046
00:53:10,987 --> 00:53:13,987
Speaker 18: I stood up, I was pacing, and there's a number

1047
00:53:14,027 --> 00:53:17,107
Speaker 18: of other guys doing the same. So that's where compared

1048
00:53:17,107 --> 00:53:20,267
Speaker 18: to twenty fifteen final, being on the field, it was

1049
00:53:20,867 --> 00:53:23,547
Speaker 18: such a different feeling because I was actually involved, I

1050
00:53:23,787 --> 00:53:24,347
Speaker 18: had something to do.

1051
00:53:24,427 --> 00:53:26,787
Speaker 15: I didn't have that feeling of helplessness.

1052
00:53:28,427 --> 00:53:30,747
Speaker 2: As new players come into the all Blacks environment and

1053
00:53:30,867 --> 00:53:35,107
Speaker 2: you became a more experienced voice and presence in the

1054
00:53:35,147 --> 00:53:38,387
Speaker 2: all blacks environment, how did you go about making sure

1055
00:53:38,427 --> 00:53:41,147
Speaker 2: that the new players coming in were well aware of

1056
00:53:41,227 --> 00:53:43,987
Speaker 2: the responsibility that they had in being an all black.

1057
00:53:46,187 --> 00:53:49,507
Speaker 18: Yeah, it was something that I got set up really

1058
00:53:49,507 --> 00:53:52,227
Speaker 18: well with people like Kevin me Lamu and some of

1059
00:53:52,307 --> 00:53:55,427
Speaker 18: those senior guys. Mills did a really good job when

1060
00:53:55,467 --> 00:53:58,507
Speaker 18: I was first brought into the environment, and they did

1061
00:53:58,547 --> 00:54:02,587
Speaker 18: it through telling stories about expectations, what was expected and

1062
00:54:02,627 --> 00:54:05,267
Speaker 18: what was not, so talked around people doing it well,

1063
00:54:05,347 --> 00:54:08,227
Speaker 18: but talked around people that didn't do it well. So

1064
00:54:08,387 --> 00:54:10,587
Speaker 18: then as a player, it was actually really easy. Okay,

1065
00:54:10,667 --> 00:54:12,867
Speaker 18: this is what's expected, this is not. Here are the

1066
00:54:12,947 --> 00:54:15,467
Speaker 18: consequences of getting it right and also getting it wrong.

1067
00:54:16,027 --> 00:54:18,107
Speaker 18: So it was actually really easy. And that's pretty much

1068
00:54:18,147 --> 00:54:22,147
Speaker 18: how I tried to do it. Get alongside people, and

1069
00:54:22,227 --> 00:54:25,107
Speaker 18: it's always intimidating. When I first walked into the all

1070
00:54:25,147 --> 00:54:27,987
Speaker 18: black environment, I was walking into a team that was

1071
00:54:28,067 --> 00:54:31,267
Speaker 18: really established. Some of the legends of the game were

1072
00:54:31,827 --> 00:54:34,707
Speaker 18: we're there. So I didn't say boo to a mouse

1073
00:54:34,987 --> 00:54:37,067
Speaker 18: where I knew as a senior player, I had to

1074
00:54:37,107 --> 00:54:39,587
Speaker 18: go be the first person to say gourday, to ask

1075
00:54:39,667 --> 00:54:42,507
Speaker 18: them questions about themselves and get to know them. And

1076
00:54:42,627 --> 00:54:45,147
Speaker 18: once I did that, then I could actually help influence them.

1077
00:54:45,187 --> 00:54:45,947
Speaker 15: What was expected.

1078
00:54:46,827 --> 00:54:48,987
Speaker 2: How challenging a year was twenty twenty two.

1079
00:54:51,027 --> 00:54:55,067
Speaker 18: Yeah, it was challenging. Every year's challenging. Every year has

1080
00:54:55,147 --> 00:54:59,147
Speaker 18: different highs and lows. But obviously results weren't going the

1081
00:54:59,187 --> 00:55:02,747
Speaker 18: way we wanted them to go and the way we expected,

1082
00:55:02,827 --> 00:55:05,867
Speaker 18: and same with our fans and our friends and families.

1083
00:55:06,867 --> 00:55:10,627
Speaker 18: That I put a bit of pressure on everyone. The

1084
00:55:10,747 --> 00:55:14,387
Speaker 18: best thing through my experience experiences was I just knew

1085
00:55:14,387 --> 00:55:19,867
Speaker 18: I had to concentrate on rugby and me, so that's

1086
00:55:19,907 --> 00:55:22,267
Speaker 18: what I tried to do. I tried to just concentrate

1087
00:55:22,307 --> 00:55:24,587
Speaker 18: on playing good rugby. I knew if I was doing that,

1088
00:55:24,827 --> 00:55:27,947
Speaker 18: then everything else would sort itself out. I was a

1089
00:55:28,107 --> 00:55:30,147
Speaker 18: rugby player at the time and that's what I was

1090
00:55:30,227 --> 00:55:32,227
Speaker 18: expected to do. So go out there and play good rugby.

1091
00:55:32,267 --> 00:55:36,947
Speaker 18: And I tried to leave all the external noise exactly.

1092
00:55:37,107 --> 00:55:40,067
Speaker 18: Is that external noise? But sometimes that's easier said than done.

1093
00:55:40,107 --> 00:55:42,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask that was it easier

1094
00:55:42,107 --> 00:55:42,507
Speaker 2: said than that?

1095
00:55:43,987 --> 00:55:48,787
Speaker 18: I think for myself, not a massive present on social

1096
00:55:48,907 --> 00:55:52,027
Speaker 18: media and things like that, So I just went back

1097
00:55:52,067 --> 00:55:53,827
Speaker 18: to some of my hobbies outside of rugby.

1098
00:55:53,907 --> 00:55:56,027
Speaker 15: So when I was fully committed with rugby, I was

1099
00:55:56,027 --> 00:55:56,547
Speaker 15: all rugby.

1100
00:55:56,987 --> 00:55:59,347
Speaker 18: When I needed to step away, I could do that

1101
00:55:59,427 --> 00:56:01,227
Speaker 18: whether I was reading a book or dealing with some

1102
00:56:01,267 --> 00:56:04,027
Speaker 18: stuff at the farm. And I think that's when I've

1103
00:56:04,027 --> 00:56:06,667
Speaker 18: played my best rugby. I've had a busy life, but

1104
00:56:06,787 --> 00:56:09,147
Speaker 18: it's busy in different areas as well.

1105
00:56:10,347 --> 00:56:13,587
Speaker 2: So you're you're the all time leading test appearance maker

1106
00:56:13,667 --> 00:56:16,227
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks. Is that a Is that a

1107
00:56:16,347 --> 00:56:17,827
Speaker 2: record that you're proud of.

1108
00:56:19,427 --> 00:56:22,587
Speaker 18: Of course, it's something I'm immensely proud of being able

1109
00:56:22,667 --> 00:56:27,827
Speaker 18: to represent our beautiful country so many times. But at

1110
00:56:27,867 --> 00:56:31,947
Speaker 18: the same time, exactly that, it's just numbers, so i'd

1111
00:56:32,227 --> 00:56:36,027
Speaker 18: rather hear people talk around performance. Has been able to

1112
00:56:36,067 --> 00:56:39,347
Speaker 18: back it up time and time again, but it is

1113
00:56:39,427 --> 00:56:43,067
Speaker 18: something that's so humbling, and I hope that it's inspiring

1114
00:56:43,107 --> 00:56:45,747
Speaker 18: the next generation, whether that's boys or girls, to go

1115
00:56:45,787 --> 00:56:48,427
Speaker 18: out there and train hard and fall in love with

1116
00:56:48,627 --> 00:56:50,067
Speaker 18: the game of rugby.

1117
00:56:50,467 --> 00:56:52,307
Speaker 2: How do you Reckon Razor will go as All Blacks coach?

1118
00:56:53,747 --> 00:56:55,747
Speaker 15: Yeah, he's three from three at the moment.

1119
00:56:56,027 --> 00:56:56,187
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1120
00:56:56,307 --> 00:56:59,467
Speaker 15: True, that's a perfect way to start. I'm sure he'll

1121
00:56:59,507 --> 00:57:00,347
Speaker 15: be very happy with that.

1122
00:57:01,467 --> 00:57:02,027
Speaker 8: I know he is.

1123
00:57:02,147 --> 00:57:06,947
Speaker 18: So it's going to come down to how he's and

1124
00:57:07,107 --> 00:57:10,867
Speaker 18: grows his style of coaching, how he grows the other

1125
00:57:10,947 --> 00:57:13,667
Speaker 18: coaches out of there, how he grows the leadership group,

1126
00:57:13,787 --> 00:57:17,667
Speaker 18: the captains, but more importantly, the Little Black's game and

1127
00:57:18,387 --> 00:57:22,267
Speaker 18: the players. So it's not an easy job. I wouldn't

1128
00:57:22,267 --> 00:57:24,867
Speaker 18: think a lot of people would put their hand up

1129
00:57:24,907 --> 00:57:27,067
Speaker 18: to do it. I think some would would, but maybe

1130
00:57:27,107 --> 00:57:29,387
Speaker 18: wouldn't do the best of the jobs. So he's been

1131
00:57:29,427 --> 00:57:33,467
Speaker 18: pretty excited to get into the season. He's been a

1132
00:57:33,507 --> 00:57:37,107
Speaker 18: little bit annoying previously because he hasn't had a team

1133
00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:40,467
Speaker 18: to coach, but he's right in the middle of it

1134
00:57:40,587 --> 00:57:42,427
Speaker 18: now and they've got a test match coming up, so

1135
00:57:42,507 --> 00:57:44,907
Speaker 18: I'm sure they're preparing as well as they can for that.

1136
00:57:45,427 --> 00:57:46,787
Speaker 2: I you want to finish with a phrase in the

1137
00:57:46,827 --> 00:57:50,027
Speaker 2: book that I absolutely loved, and it's fairly simple. Darkening

1138
00:57:50,107 --> 00:57:54,747
Speaker 2: the jersey? Is that something that you know? I mean,

1139
00:57:55,067 --> 00:57:57,427
Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask you darkened the jersey? How

1140
00:57:57,507 --> 00:57:59,267
Speaker 2: proud are you of the fact that you did that.

1141
00:58:01,027 --> 00:58:02,987
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a bit of a different saying.

1142
00:58:03,547 --> 00:58:06,747
Speaker 18: Obviously, as key as we were black and it's awesome

1143
00:58:06,787 --> 00:58:08,827
Speaker 18: watching the Olympians out there at the moment with their

1144
00:58:08,867 --> 00:58:10,707
Speaker 18: black on and the silver fern on their chest and

1145
00:58:11,387 --> 00:58:15,467
Speaker 18: then representing all of us. So as Key we's darkening

1146
00:58:15,507 --> 00:58:18,627
Speaker 18: the jersey is actually the highest compliment you can receive.

1147
00:58:18,747 --> 00:58:22,987
Speaker 18: And hearing people say that there was one thing definitely

1148
00:58:23,027 --> 00:58:26,747
Speaker 18: wanted to put in the book around the feeling you

1149
00:58:26,867 --> 00:58:30,507
Speaker 18: get when you hear some of those special words. You

1150
00:58:30,587 --> 00:58:32,667
Speaker 18: know you've taken the jersey and put it in a

1151
00:58:33,467 --> 00:58:37,907
Speaker 18: better spot. So pretty cool to have that, you know,

1152
00:58:37,987 --> 00:58:39,147
Speaker 18: those weird said about myself.

1153
00:58:39,827 --> 00:58:42,307
Speaker 2: It's a great read, Samuel. I really enjoyed it. Samuel

1154
00:58:42,307 --> 00:58:45,107
Speaker 2: white Lock View from the Second Row available wherever you

1155
00:58:45,187 --> 00:58:47,827
Speaker 2: get good books right now. So you're still in France,

1156
00:58:47,947 --> 00:58:50,227
Speaker 2: back home at some stage soon and then what does

1157
00:58:50,267 --> 00:58:52,707
Speaker 2: the next little while look like for Samuel white Lock

1158
00:58:52,747 --> 00:58:53,147
Speaker 2: in the family?

1159
00:58:54,187 --> 00:58:55,827
Speaker 15: Yep, so we are.

1160
00:58:56,627 --> 00:58:58,507
Speaker 18: I think we have twenty odd days left here and

1161
00:58:58,867 --> 00:59:00,187
Speaker 18: the side of the world. We've got a bit of

1162
00:59:00,227 --> 00:59:03,347
Speaker 18: a ticky tour through the south of England and then

1163
00:59:03,387 --> 00:59:06,027
Speaker 18: onto the plane, flying back into crist Shots for a week,

1164
00:59:06,587 --> 00:59:08,827
Speaker 18: picking out all the things of left in christ Church,

1165
00:59:08,947 --> 00:59:11,267
Speaker 18: moving up to the farm and Hawks Bay, and then

1166
00:59:11,387 --> 00:59:14,987
Speaker 18: straight into becoming a farmer and the real world. So

1167
00:59:15,387 --> 00:59:17,667
Speaker 18: looking forward to getting to know the community up there.

1168
00:59:18,747 --> 00:59:20,467
Speaker 18: There's plenty of jobs to be done on the farm,

1169
00:59:20,587 --> 00:59:23,227
Speaker 18: so I'm sure I won't be won't be bored and

1170
00:59:23,227 --> 00:59:24,507
Speaker 18: won't get into too much trouble.

1171
00:59:24,947 --> 00:59:27,267
Speaker 2: Good to hear, great to chat, Samuel, Thanks for taking

1172
00:59:27,267 --> 00:59:27,547
Speaker 2: the time.

1173
00:59:28,267 --> 00:59:30,027
Speaker 15: Awesome cheers, Thank you very much, No, thank you.

1174
00:59:30,147 --> 00:59:32,747
Speaker 2: Sam sam white Lock. There his book is out. View

1175
00:59:32,827 --> 00:59:35,987
Speaker 2: from the Second Row is it's really good. It's really good.

1176
00:59:36,227 --> 00:59:37,987
Speaker 2: It's not just oh we played these guys and won

1177
00:59:38,027 --> 00:59:40,787
Speaker 2: by this. There's a bit of that obviously talking about

1178
00:59:40,827 --> 00:59:43,427
Speaker 2: big games, but there's a lot more to it than that.

1179
00:59:43,547 --> 00:59:46,347
Speaker 2: Dylan Cleaver was involved in the writing of this book

1180
00:59:46,347 --> 00:59:51,027
Speaker 2: as well. Sam Whitelock view from the second row how family,

1181
00:59:51,147 --> 00:59:55,187
Speaker 2: farming and footy made a champion. As I was chatting

1182
00:59:55,227 --> 00:59:58,147
Speaker 2: to Sam, then I was just wondering to myself where

1183
00:59:59,067 --> 01:00:02,787
Speaker 2: Sam Whitelock sits in our list of the greatest ever

1184
01:00:02,867 --> 01:00:06,907
Speaker 2: all Blacks. He's our most capt or black fifty three

1185
01:00:06,987 --> 01:00:10,427
Speaker 2: test matches, obviously, one of our absolute greats. He'd be

1186
01:00:11,187 --> 01:00:13,947
Speaker 2: top ten for sure. I was just trying to work

1187
01:00:13,987 --> 01:00:17,747
Speaker 2: out where he goes on that list, who would be

1188
01:00:17,787 --> 01:00:20,107
Speaker 2: above him? You might have a view on that, oh,

1189
01:00:20,147 --> 01:00:21,867
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, if you have nineteen

1190
01:00:21,987 --> 01:00:24,707
Speaker 2: ninety two on text. It's a crowded field, isn't it.

1191
01:00:24,867 --> 01:00:28,027
Speaker 2: At the very top you start to think about who

1192
01:00:28,067 --> 01:00:30,307
Speaker 2: are our absolute greats? And as I say, Samuel Whitelock

1193
01:00:30,427 --> 01:00:36,467
Speaker 2: is in that conversation, Richie mccawr, Colin Meads, Dan Carter,

1194
01:00:36,707 --> 01:00:42,907
Speaker 2: Kristin Cullen, Michael Jones, Fitzi, Sean Fitzpatrick, Jonah, Aaron Smith.

1195
01:00:44,267 --> 01:00:47,947
Speaker 2: So where does sam Whitelock go on that list? Is

1196
01:00:47,987 --> 01:00:51,547
Speaker 2: he top five one hundred and fifty three test matches

1197
01:00:52,307 --> 01:00:57,027
Speaker 2: in a brutally physically demanding position to be able to

1198
01:00:57,827 --> 01:01:00,307
Speaker 2: play for as long as he did in that position

1199
01:01:00,427 --> 01:01:05,467
Speaker 2: without losing form, without ever really being dropped apart from

1200
01:01:05,547 --> 01:01:08,067
Speaker 2: dropped out of the Star site into the twenty three

1201
01:01:08,107 --> 01:01:10,067
Speaker 2: And actually there's some really interesting stuff in the book

1202
01:01:10,067 --> 01:01:15,947
Speaker 2: about that, about how he felt about being used in

1203
01:01:16,027 --> 01:01:18,267
Speaker 2: an impact role at the Rugby World Cup last year

1204
01:01:18,347 --> 01:01:21,347
Speaker 2: rather than as a starter. There's some really interesting stuff

1205
01:01:21,347 --> 01:01:24,347
Speaker 2: in the book about that. But for Samuel Whitelock to

1206
01:01:25,227 --> 01:01:26,947
Speaker 2: play for as long as he did in that position

1207
01:01:27,427 --> 01:01:29,747
Speaker 2: says a lot about as I say, is his longevity,

1208
01:01:29,787 --> 01:01:33,627
Speaker 2: but also his ability to stay fit and to start

1209
01:01:33,707 --> 01:01:36,147
Speaker 2: the top of his game. You know, at his peak

1210
01:01:36,947 --> 01:01:40,547
Speaker 2: the best lock forward in the world. Surely, oh e

1211
01:01:40,547 --> 01:01:42,027
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty What does he sit

1212
01:01:42,107 --> 01:01:44,787
Speaker 2: on our list of greatest All Blacks nineteen nine two.

1213
01:01:44,787 --> 01:01:46,947
Speaker 2: If you'd like to send a text one twenty eight

1214
01:01:46,987 --> 01:01:48,267
Speaker 2: on Weekend Sport, We're back after this.

1215
01:01:49,667 --> 01:01:52,587
Speaker 1: You'd be the TMO. Have yours say on eight hundred

1216
01:01:52,587 --> 01:01:57,387
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Paine and GJ. Guvnerholmes,

1217
01:01:57,587 --> 01:02:00,067
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1218
01:02:00,067 --> 01:02:03,627
Speaker 2: That'd be one thirty on Weekend Sport. Yeah, I'm sort

1219
01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:06,267
Speaker 2: of been kicking it around. These lists are always but fraught,

1220
01:02:06,347 --> 01:02:09,107
Speaker 2: aren't they? With difficulty? What sort of frame of reference

1221
01:02:09,187 --> 01:02:11,547
Speaker 2: do you use? I had to look back at a

1222
01:02:11,627 --> 01:02:15,227
Speaker 2: couple of of lists of one hundred greatest All Blacks

1223
01:02:15,627 --> 01:02:20,347
Speaker 2: selected by a couple of writers at the New Zealand Herald,

1224
01:02:20,747 --> 01:02:22,627
Speaker 2: Win and Gray, the great Win Gray and the great

1225
01:02:22,627 --> 01:02:27,187
Speaker 2: Phil Gifford Field won recently, actually the great All Blacks

1226
01:02:27,227 --> 01:02:30,627
Speaker 2: of the professional era. So you started from what nineteen

1227
01:02:30,707 --> 01:02:34,267
Speaker 2: ninety six, and you pick the top the top sixty

1228
01:02:34,427 --> 01:02:36,707
Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety six, and he had Sam White look

1229
01:02:36,747 --> 01:02:39,467
Speaker 2: at number seven in that list. So that's number seven

1230
01:02:39,707 --> 01:02:43,467
Speaker 2: just since nineteen ninety six. It's a crowded field, and

1231
01:02:43,547 --> 01:02:46,107
Speaker 2: I guess recency bias definitely comes into it, doesn't it.

1232
01:02:46,587 --> 01:02:49,267
Speaker 2: You think about the players who you've watched in recent

1233
01:02:49,387 --> 01:02:52,747
Speaker 2: times and you think, well, you know, I guess from

1234
01:02:52,787 --> 01:02:55,267
Speaker 2: my experience in the professional era. You know, I was

1235
01:02:56,107 --> 01:02:58,507
Speaker 2: was I mid twenties in nineteen ninety six, so I

1236
01:02:58,547 --> 01:02:59,867
Speaker 2: didn't see a heck of a lot of rugby that

1237
01:02:59,947 --> 01:03:04,067
Speaker 2: I really understood sort of pre nineteen eighty. But obviously

1238
01:03:04,467 --> 01:03:08,907
Speaker 2: you watch and to stories and you read about Colin Meats,

1239
01:03:09,267 --> 01:03:13,187
Speaker 2: and you read about Ian Kirkpatrick and players like that,

1240
01:03:13,827 --> 01:03:17,507
Speaker 2: and Fred Allen and and others, and you you start

1241
01:03:17,547 --> 01:03:19,907
Speaker 2: to wonder what they would have been like in the

1242
01:03:20,027 --> 01:03:23,707
Speaker 2: in the modern day era. It's an impossible question to answer, obviously,

1243
01:03:23,907 --> 01:03:25,827
Speaker 2: but you know where the where do they all sit

1244
01:03:25,907 --> 01:03:28,427
Speaker 2: in relation to one another? I think you know, there's

1245
01:03:28,467 --> 01:03:30,827
Speaker 2: there's some people who are unshakable in their view that

1246
01:03:30,987 --> 01:03:34,227
Speaker 2: that Colin Meets is our greatest, even greater than Richie mccare,

1247
01:03:34,707 --> 01:03:36,427
Speaker 2: Whereas you know, I tend to sit on the Richie

1248
01:03:36,467 --> 01:03:38,547
Speaker 2: mccaure side of things, but that's probably because I never

1249
01:03:38,587 --> 01:03:42,707
Speaker 2: saw Colin Meats play. You know, those who have been

1250
01:03:42,787 --> 01:03:44,987
Speaker 2: lucky enough to watch across eras would be able to

1251
01:03:45,027 --> 01:03:47,507
Speaker 2: make a better judgment on this. If you were able to,

1252
01:03:48,027 --> 01:03:51,347
Speaker 2: I'd be keen to hear of you. Sam's a legiand

1253
01:03:52,227 --> 01:03:55,707
Speaker 2: definitely darkened the Jersey says, this text has a text

1254
01:03:55,787 --> 01:04:00,747
Speaker 2: has to be top five, maybe fourth behind Richie Dan

1255
01:04:00,827 --> 01:04:06,507
Speaker 2: and Stephen Donald. Stephen Donald's text of the show are

1256
01:04:06,627 --> 01:04:08,867
Speaker 2: very good if you want to join that conversation. Oh,

1257
01:04:08,907 --> 01:04:12,387
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Yeah,

1258
01:04:12,427 --> 01:04:15,027
Speaker 2: we keen to hear where you think that that Sam

1259
01:04:15,067 --> 01:04:17,147
Speaker 2: white Lock sits. Regardless of where you think he sits,

1260
01:04:17,147 --> 01:04:19,987
Speaker 2: the book's terrific. So if you can get out and

1261
01:04:20,507 --> 01:04:23,827
Speaker 2: get a copy Samuel white Lock view from the second row,

1262
01:04:24,147 --> 01:04:27,427
Speaker 2: let's get you back to Paris. James mcconey normally joins

1263
01:04:27,467 --> 01:04:29,547
Speaker 2: us a little bit later than this, but he's what's

1264
01:04:29,587 --> 01:04:31,147
Speaker 2: halp ars three in the morning, so I think he

1265
01:04:31,187 --> 01:04:34,067
Speaker 2: wants to get to bed, So let's get to Let's

1266
01:04:34,067 --> 01:04:37,067
Speaker 2: get to James mcconey. Now, brilliant work that you're doing

1267
01:04:37,147 --> 01:04:39,987
Speaker 2: over there, James, absolutely terrific. The stuff I've seen coming

1268
01:04:40,027 --> 01:04:42,707
Speaker 2: back from you, Star de France. You've been at the

1269
01:04:42,747 --> 01:04:45,867
Speaker 2: track and field. What's it like, mate? It looks amazing.

1270
01:04:47,027 --> 01:04:49,907
Speaker 19: Oh, it looks amazing and thanks Pineer. I appreciate it, mate.

1271
01:04:49,987 --> 01:04:54,507
Speaker 19: Feedback from you is definitely appreciated and valued. I think

1272
01:04:55,427 --> 01:04:57,867
Speaker 19: Star de France is not as we know it. Of course,

1273
01:04:58,267 --> 01:05:00,227
Speaker 19: it's the rugby ground with your all blacks play. They've

1274
01:05:00,227 --> 01:05:04,187
Speaker 19: put down the purple track, the French fans that they

1275
01:05:04,387 --> 01:05:08,027
Speaker 19: love to chair, especially there their own athletes. But it's

1276
01:05:08,067 --> 01:05:10,267
Speaker 19: a real wall of sound, and all the athletes are

1277
01:05:10,267 --> 01:05:13,987
Speaker 19: saying the atmosphere is the best they've ever experienced. And

1278
01:05:14,507 --> 01:05:17,787
Speaker 19: I was lucky enough to see Zoe Hobbs come second

1279
01:05:17,827 --> 01:05:20,787
Speaker 19: in her heats in one hundred meters and looking really

1280
01:05:20,907 --> 01:05:25,067
Speaker 19: good running eleven point eight, I think, But just a shame.

1281
01:05:27,227 --> 01:05:29,307
Speaker 8: It's a shame because she was looking at such good.

1282
01:05:29,267 --> 01:05:34,587
Speaker 19: Nick that she dipped out in the semifinals and you

1283
01:05:34,667 --> 01:05:37,387
Speaker 19: would have seen the final. I'm guessing Pony and it

1284
01:05:37,587 --> 01:05:40,707
Speaker 19: was great to see I guess an underdog get up.

1285
01:05:40,947 --> 01:05:41,147
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1286
01:05:41,707 --> 01:05:46,027
Speaker 2: St. Lucia's Julian Alfred beating hot favorite Shikari Richardson.

1287
01:05:46,107 --> 01:05:46,267
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:05:46,347 --> 01:05:49,587
Speaker 2: I just love the one hundred meters. It's just one

1289
01:05:49,627 --> 01:05:51,667
Speaker 2: of the iconic events. And you're right about Zoe. You know,

1290
01:05:52,387 --> 01:05:55,667
Speaker 2: eleven point eight would have gotten her into the final

1291
01:05:55,787 --> 01:05:58,067
Speaker 2: is one of the next fastest. She ran eleven o

1292
01:05:58,187 --> 01:06:00,067
Speaker 2: eight yesterday. She said she was in really good form,

1293
01:06:00,427 --> 01:06:03,227
Speaker 2: just not to be but man, an Olympic semi final

1294
01:06:03,707 --> 01:06:06,667
Speaker 2: for a one hundred meter sprinter from New Zealand doesn't

1295
01:06:06,667 --> 01:06:07,387
Speaker 2: happen very often.

1296
01:06:07,467 --> 01:06:09,987
Speaker 8: James, Yeah, exactly. Let's be honest.

1297
01:06:10,027 --> 01:06:12,907
Speaker 19: One hundred meters has become the biggest event at the

1298
01:06:12,987 --> 01:06:18,987
Speaker 19: Olympics and Zoe has been outstanding for a few years now,

1299
01:06:19,187 --> 01:06:25,507
Speaker 19: and really her PB of ten point eight nine would

1300
01:06:25,507 --> 01:06:28,467
Speaker 19: have won bronze. So that's why I feel sad for

1301
01:06:28,587 --> 01:06:31,667
Speaker 19: Zoe because it's really hard to get it right. Alfred

1302
01:06:31,747 --> 01:06:34,547
Speaker 19: Run ran her PB of ten point seven two, I

1303
01:06:34,667 --> 01:06:39,987
Speaker 19: think tonight. So look, Zoe, I hope she doesn't quit.

1304
01:06:40,067 --> 01:06:41,787
Speaker 19: She wants to take a break. I think there's plenty

1305
01:06:41,827 --> 01:06:44,267
Speaker 19: more in the tank from Zoe. What we really need,

1306
01:06:44,347 --> 01:06:46,747
Speaker 19: I think in New Zealand sprinting is relay teams. We

1307
01:06:46,867 --> 01:06:48,907
Speaker 19: need to there's even mixed relays.

1308
01:06:48,947 --> 01:06:49,067
Speaker 9: Now.

1309
01:06:49,147 --> 01:06:52,667
Speaker 19: It's a shame Eddie and Kettya decided to leave the sport,

1310
01:06:52,747 --> 01:06:54,827
Speaker 19: but look watch the space. I think he might come

1311
01:06:54,907 --> 01:06:58,907
Speaker 19: back and help us in that regard because I think

1312
01:06:59,427 --> 01:07:02,907
Speaker 19: having those relays gives athletes a bit more of a

1313
01:07:03,267 --> 01:07:06,227
Speaker 19: They're not just on the brink of this or nothing.

1314
01:07:06,427 --> 01:07:09,867
Speaker 19: You know, you need to have a campaign to build

1315
01:07:09,907 --> 01:07:13,307
Speaker 19: around and even teammates you can see the camaraderie. I

1316
01:07:13,427 --> 01:07:15,947
Speaker 19: was in camp with the New Zealand athletics team and

1317
01:07:15,987 --> 01:07:17,987
Speaker 19: I think it would really help if there was a

1318
01:07:18,107 --> 01:07:19,067
Speaker 19: team of sprinters.

1319
01:07:19,187 --> 01:07:21,227
Speaker 8: So you know, keep your eyes peeled.

1320
01:07:21,227 --> 01:07:23,587
Speaker 19: If you see anyone who's quick, make sure you get

1321
01:07:23,627 --> 01:07:26,427
Speaker 19: them good good coaching. James Mortimer did a good job

1322
01:07:26,507 --> 01:07:29,027
Speaker 19: with Zoe, so you know all is not lost for

1323
01:07:29,107 --> 01:07:29,547
Speaker 19: the future.

1324
01:07:29,627 --> 01:07:32,587
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's hope that she also catches a few

1325
01:07:32,627 --> 01:07:34,987
Speaker 2: eyeballs of young boys and girls who think, man, I

1326
01:07:35,067 --> 01:07:37,267
Speaker 2: can run fast. I'll give that a crack as well.

1327
01:07:37,787 --> 01:07:40,547
Speaker 2: Not to be for Tom Walsh. Unfortunately, an injury has

1328
01:07:40,587 --> 01:07:43,107
Speaker 2: really put paid to his chances of another Olympic medal.

1329
01:07:43,227 --> 01:07:44,387
Speaker 2: That was tough to watch, wasn't it.

1330
01:07:45,587 --> 01:07:48,707
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's really hard for Thomas. Again. I saw him

1331
01:07:48,747 --> 01:07:50,467
Speaker 8: in training. He was looking great.

1332
01:07:50,587 --> 01:07:53,027
Speaker 19: He'd trimmed down because I think he knew that his

1333
01:07:53,147 --> 01:07:56,347
Speaker 19: best chance was to stay quick and stay fast. He's

1334
01:07:56,427 --> 01:07:58,747
Speaker 19: doing a lot of speed training to compete with a

1335
01:07:58,867 --> 01:08:01,707
Speaker 19: behemoth of a man and Ryan Krauzer. And there's a

1336
01:08:01,787 --> 01:08:04,747
Speaker 19: cruel irony that he threw twenty two point nine to

1337
01:08:04,827 --> 01:08:07,347
Speaker 19: zero to win the gold because that is Tom Walsh's

1338
01:08:07,427 --> 01:08:10,827
Speaker 19: PB from back in twenty nineteen, I think. But let's

1339
01:08:10,867 --> 01:08:14,427
Speaker 19: not forget Look, if this is Tom Walsh's final Olympics.

1340
01:08:14,187 --> 01:08:15,627
Speaker 8: We don't know that yet. I don't think.

1341
01:08:16,667 --> 01:08:19,787
Speaker 19: Here's the world champions from twenty seventeen.

1342
01:08:20,267 --> 01:08:24,147
Speaker 8: He is one of the great seventh best of all time.

1343
01:08:24,227 --> 01:08:27,787
Speaker 19: And remember some of those throws were definitely thrown by

1344
01:08:27,827 --> 01:08:30,107
Speaker 19: people on the juice back in the day who had

1345
01:08:30,187 --> 01:08:30,907
Speaker 19: never caught.

1346
01:08:30,987 --> 01:08:33,547
Speaker 8: But Tom is a great.

1347
01:08:33,387 --> 01:08:36,947
Speaker 19: Athlete, and I hope he's an awkward age is and

1348
01:08:37,027 --> 01:08:39,267
Speaker 19: he's thirty two right now with a baby on the

1349
01:08:39,347 --> 01:08:44,587
Speaker 19: way next month. To go another Olympics might be tough,

1350
01:08:44,747 --> 01:08:47,187
Speaker 19: but I hope he does. And it was great to

1351
01:08:47,227 --> 01:08:48,747
Speaker 19: see Jacko come seventh as well.

1352
01:08:48,907 --> 01:08:52,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll watch the space on Tom Walsh. Choppporters contend

1353
01:08:52,667 --> 01:08:54,747
Speaker 2: to go a bit longer than some other athletes, so

1354
01:08:54,827 --> 01:08:57,627
Speaker 2: I guess we just wait and see. Speaking of those

1355
01:08:57,747 --> 01:09:00,547
Speaker 2: who I guess near the end of their Olympic career

1356
01:09:00,587 --> 01:09:03,507
Speaker 2: than the start, I had the absolute pleasure of chatting

1357
01:09:03,547 --> 01:09:06,667
Speaker 2: to Emma Twig a couple of hours ago. You know,

1358
01:09:07,427 --> 01:09:09,667
Speaker 2: here's an athlete who was ready to throw it all away,

1359
01:09:09,707 --> 01:09:14,187
Speaker 2: in fact, did retire after Rio twenty sixteen Golden Tokyo silver. Today,

1360
01:09:14,267 --> 01:09:15,947
Speaker 2: I love the story of Emma Twig.

1361
01:09:17,307 --> 01:09:17,867
Speaker 8: Absolutely.

1362
01:09:17,987 --> 01:09:20,787
Speaker 19: Emma Twig is not the biggest athlete I'd say she'd

1363
01:09:20,827 --> 01:09:24,507
Speaker 19: probably be the smallest in that field, and to finish

1364
01:09:24,587 --> 01:09:29,187
Speaker 19: with another Olympic medal is just an awesome achievement. She

1365
01:09:29,787 --> 01:09:32,067
Speaker 19: was already one of the greats. I think she's in

1366
01:09:32,147 --> 01:09:35,067
Speaker 19: that pantheon of greats. But then to just cemented it

1367
01:09:35,187 --> 01:09:38,147
Speaker 19: with another medal. She came fourth in London and then

1368
01:09:38,267 --> 01:09:42,027
Speaker 19: fourth again in Rio, and that prompted that retirement, and

1369
01:09:43,067 --> 01:09:46,387
Speaker 19: you know, just the one of those just digging deep

1370
01:09:47,187 --> 01:09:48,987
Speaker 19: a show of grit. But also the other thing with

1371
01:09:49,187 --> 01:09:52,787
Speaker 19: Emma is she's a true leader and she speaks her

1372
01:09:52,867 --> 01:09:54,547
Speaker 19: mind and it rubs people.

1373
01:09:54,387 --> 01:09:54,987
Speaker 8: Up the wrong way.

1374
01:09:55,067 --> 01:09:58,147
Speaker 19: But I'm telling you everybody in your life, you need

1375
01:09:58,227 --> 01:10:00,827
Speaker 19: an Emma Twig in your life. She'll tell you how

1376
01:10:00,907 --> 01:10:02,947
Speaker 19: it is and you might not want to hear it,

1377
01:10:03,067 --> 01:10:05,347
Speaker 19: but it's coming from a good place and it's all

1378
01:10:05,387 --> 01:10:07,107
Speaker 19: about actually making things better.

1379
01:10:07,187 --> 01:10:10,787
Speaker 8: So she actually does move into say.

1380
01:10:11,187 --> 01:10:14,547
Speaker 19: A managerial administrative role, it'll be the best thing for

1381
01:10:15,067 --> 01:10:17,867
Speaker 19: rowing in New Zealand, for sport in New Zealand.

1382
01:10:18,187 --> 01:10:19,867
Speaker 8: And look, she's the sort of person that is.

1383
01:10:19,987 --> 01:10:23,467
Speaker 19: She was to fly business class or first class around

1384
01:10:23,507 --> 01:10:25,667
Speaker 19: the world, she'd be doing it to look after the

1385
01:10:25,747 --> 01:10:29,787
Speaker 19: people who are in struggles street in the sport. You know,

1386
01:10:29,947 --> 01:10:33,507
Speaker 19: she has always got an eye up for how athletes

1387
01:10:33,547 --> 01:10:35,907
Speaker 19: are fairing and how the volunteers are going.

1388
01:10:36,027 --> 01:10:38,107
Speaker 8: So I've got nothing but admiration for Emma.

1389
01:10:38,227 --> 01:10:40,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been another great rowing regator for New Zealand

1390
01:10:40,867 --> 01:10:43,827
Speaker 2: at these Olympic Games. Just before you go, you haven't

1391
01:10:43,907 --> 01:10:46,147
Speaker 2: had the chance to go to the judo, have you

1392
01:10:46,267 --> 01:10:50,467
Speaker 2: and see that massive French guy, Teddy Rhiner when another

1393
01:10:50,587 --> 01:10:51,587
Speaker 2: gold medal? Have you seen that?

1394
01:10:52,867 --> 01:10:54,427
Speaker 8: Yes? I did see Teddy Ryiner.

1395
01:10:54,547 --> 01:10:59,867
Speaker 19: He is something asite to behold, six foot eight, one

1396
01:10:59,987 --> 01:11:01,347
Speaker 19: hundred and forty kgs.

1397
01:11:02,267 --> 01:11:05,107
Speaker 8: Not an ounce of fat on the guy. He is

1398
01:11:05,387 --> 01:11:07,347
Speaker 8: just an absolute beasts.

1399
01:11:07,347 --> 01:11:10,547
Speaker 19: But you don't expect a judoka to be that height

1400
01:11:11,107 --> 01:11:13,667
Speaker 19: because it's all about, you know, controlling your center of

1401
01:11:13,747 --> 01:11:17,867
Speaker 19: gravity and dominating your opponent and getting them to the ground.

1402
01:11:17,947 --> 01:11:20,387
Speaker 8: So you think, like a big tree like that would

1403
01:11:20,427 --> 01:11:24,307
Speaker 8: fall easily. Well he didn't. And that's his fifth Olympic

1404
01:11:24,387 --> 01:11:24,907
Speaker 8: gold medal.

1405
01:11:25,547 --> 01:11:29,147
Speaker 19: He won the individual one hundred kg plus and in

1406
01:11:29,267 --> 01:11:32,547
Speaker 19: the teams event it's weird, it was tied with Japan

1407
01:11:33,107 --> 01:11:35,227
Speaker 19: and they went to sudden death and they sort of

1408
01:11:35,347 --> 01:11:37,947
Speaker 19: spin in the wheel and they decide which of the

1409
01:11:38,307 --> 01:11:42,427
Speaker 19: of the five teammates or maybe six have to fight,

1410
01:11:42,587 --> 01:11:46,067
Speaker 19: And it just spun over to heavyweight men and the

1411
01:11:46,187 --> 01:11:52,907
Speaker 19: crowd erupted because out comes Teddy against this massive Japanese

1412
01:11:52,987 --> 01:11:56,947
Speaker 19: guy who looked like he was kind of like could potentially.

1413
01:11:56,507 --> 01:11:59,827
Speaker 8: Be a suma wrestler and you know, in the next life.

1414
01:12:00,507 --> 01:12:04,947
Speaker 19: And so that was just a battle Royale and Teddy delivered,

1415
01:12:05,227 --> 01:12:09,427
Speaker 19: and look it was I've got a new found love

1416
01:12:09,507 --> 01:12:12,587
Speaker 19: of the sport. I guess I've always respected judo and

1417
01:12:13,747 --> 01:12:16,827
Speaker 19: played rugby with a good judo cust Steve Surage, who

1418
01:12:17,187 --> 01:12:19,507
Speaker 19: was flipping on your back and before you know it,

1419
01:12:20,067 --> 01:12:21,747
Speaker 19: tie you in knots like a pretzel.

1420
01:12:22,387 --> 01:12:25,827
Speaker 8: But seeing that, and I mean it's France. They love

1421
01:12:25,907 --> 01:12:27,787
Speaker 8: that sport. I mean judo and fencing.

1422
01:12:28,187 --> 01:12:31,547
Speaker 19: You know how we love rowing and kayaking at the Olympics, Well,

1423
01:12:31,667 --> 01:12:33,867
Speaker 19: the French love their judo and fencing for real.

1424
01:12:34,787 --> 01:12:37,507
Speaker 2: Just before you go, it looks from here as though

1425
01:12:37,747 --> 01:12:40,307
Speaker 2: everybody who turns up to watch these Olympic sports, and

1426
01:12:40,387 --> 01:12:42,587
Speaker 2: there have been so many of them, it's just having

1427
01:12:42,627 --> 01:12:45,747
Speaker 2: a party. There are DJs everywhere, there are all sorts

1428
01:12:45,787 --> 01:12:48,827
Speaker 2: of fan engagement zones. Does it feel to you like that,

1429
01:12:48,947 --> 01:12:51,067
Speaker 2: on the ground that the people of Paris have just

1430
01:12:51,107 --> 01:12:54,187
Speaker 2: taken a month off and are enjoying enjoying a city

1431
01:12:54,227 --> 01:12:54,907
Speaker 2: wide holiday.

1432
01:12:56,067 --> 01:12:57,827
Speaker 8: Yeah, there are two schools of thought.

1433
01:12:57,907 --> 01:13:01,347
Speaker 19: There are the DJs and the I'm quite near a canal,

1434
01:13:01,467 --> 01:13:04,267
Speaker 19: which people will remember from the movie Unnerly it's actually

1435
01:13:04,467 --> 01:13:07,507
Speaker 19: it's picture perfect and enter out there drinking in the

1436
01:13:07,587 --> 01:13:08,907
Speaker 19: streets responsibly.

1437
01:13:08,987 --> 01:13:11,067
Speaker 8: Of course, there's there's buskers.

1438
01:13:11,187 --> 01:13:14,747
Speaker 19: There's the whole thing going on, just socializing in it

1439
01:13:15,107 --> 01:13:18,987
Speaker 19: and it just feels wonderful, and and the restaurants have

1440
01:13:19,547 --> 01:13:23,067
Speaker 19: TVs and they're celebrating every single French victory. And then

1441
01:13:23,067 --> 01:13:25,227
Speaker 19: there's other people who say, well, half of Paris is

1442
01:13:25,307 --> 01:13:27,507
Speaker 19: left because they knew it was going to be a

1443
01:13:27,627 --> 01:13:31,107
Speaker 19: real problem, so they've left us to it. And it's

1444
01:13:31,107 --> 01:13:34,427
Speaker 19: worked up quite nicely. Actually, there's been a few cramped

1445
01:13:34,867 --> 01:13:36,987
Speaker 19: trains and very hot trains, and.

1446
01:13:38,147 --> 01:13:39,787
Speaker 8: You know, I've probably sweetd more.

1447
01:13:40,027 --> 01:13:41,947
Speaker 19: This has been really good for me Piney, to be honest,

1448
01:13:41,947 --> 01:13:43,507
Speaker 19: you won't recognize me when I come back.

1449
01:13:44,867 --> 01:13:47,827
Speaker 8: And if I could have only just eliminated.

1450
01:13:47,307 --> 01:13:51,467
Speaker 19: The pastries from the equation, I would have maybe even

1451
01:13:51,507 --> 01:13:54,067
Speaker 19: reached a goal weight by the end of Paris.

1452
01:13:54,187 --> 01:13:55,587
Speaker 8: Yeah, long at last.

1453
01:13:55,787 --> 01:13:58,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, you simply kind of go to Paris without without

1454
01:13:58,347 --> 01:14:01,987
Speaker 2: sampling the pastries though that would be that would be sacrilege. James.

1455
01:14:02,107 --> 01:14:04,947
Speaker 2: Great to chat us. Always enjoy the next week and

1456
01:14:05,027 --> 01:14:07,267
Speaker 2: we'll catch up again one more time from Paris next Sunday.

1457
01:14:08,387 --> 01:14:10,987
Speaker 8: Sounds good, mate, Take it take it easy, all the best,

1458
01:14:11,307 --> 01:14:11,547
Speaker 8: All the.

1459
01:14:11,547 --> 01:14:13,747
Speaker 2: Best to you too, James. Get some sleep. It's twenty

1460
01:14:13,827 --> 01:14:16,467
Speaker 2: to four in the morning over there. Please get your

1461
01:14:16,507 --> 01:14:19,587
Speaker 2: head down at some point. James mcconty, big part of

1462
01:14:19,627 --> 01:14:22,187
Speaker 2: our Sundays and doing great work over at the Olympic

1463
01:14:22,267 --> 01:14:25,067
Speaker 2: Games for Sky Simon. Hi, mate, great all black.

1464
01:14:25,107 --> 01:14:28,427
Speaker 8: So have you gotten your list A poney well?

1465
01:14:28,507 --> 01:14:34,547
Speaker 20: Michael Jones for sure, yep, him and at his peak

1466
01:14:35,107 --> 01:14:38,147
Speaker 20: and the way he handles himself on and off the field.

1467
01:14:38,547 --> 01:14:41,787
Speaker 20: Sam's up there, I tell you, yeah. Most the most

1468
01:14:41,907 --> 01:14:44,907
Speaker 20: natural sports person I've ever come across as Kristin Cullen,

1469
01:14:45,347 --> 01:14:47,667
Speaker 20: and I think that he probably didn't have as long

1470
01:14:47,667 --> 01:14:50,787
Speaker 20: a career as what he should is. He's up there,

1471
01:14:52,067 --> 01:14:55,147
Speaker 20: Pine Tree. You would know from him seeing him at

1472
01:14:56,787 --> 01:14:59,947
Speaker 20: very aus different charity occasions. He was larger than lives

1473
01:15:00,067 --> 01:15:02,867
Speaker 20: legendary and I actually reckon that he would have done

1474
01:15:02,987 --> 01:15:07,707
Speaker 20: really really well in the professional era, aside from the

1475
01:15:07,747 --> 01:15:10,707
Speaker 20: fact that you know, back in the day there were

1476
01:15:10,707 --> 01:15:15,307
Speaker 20: a lot of dark arts and pine Tree wasn't one

1477
01:15:15,467 --> 01:15:21,987
Speaker 20: to stand back. Yeah, you know, yeah, but you you

1478
01:15:22,147 --> 01:15:25,147
Speaker 20: would know from from talking to him and interviewing him,

1479
01:15:25,587 --> 01:15:29,347
Speaker 20: you know he was. He was that icon, that that legend.

1480
01:15:30,227 --> 01:15:34,707
Speaker 20: Sam what an amazing role model, you know, and he's

1481
01:15:34,707 --> 01:15:37,427
Speaker 20: still going in that that that vein, you know, like

1482
01:15:38,107 --> 01:15:43,067
Speaker 20: he's the epitome of the sports person that most kids

1483
01:15:43,147 --> 01:15:46,587
Speaker 20: should love to be, you know, because it's it's not

1484
01:15:46,987 --> 01:15:50,987
Speaker 20: just the on field stuff. That's the mentoring that he

1485
01:15:51,107 --> 01:15:54,427
Speaker 20: did of of other players and that he will continue

1486
01:15:54,507 --> 01:15:59,827
Speaker 20: to do, but also the fact that he transcends rugby

1487
01:16:00,227 --> 01:16:03,707
Speaker 20: and rich he is the same, I believe, you know,

1488
01:16:03,827 --> 01:16:08,787
Speaker 20: they absolutely have the ability to inspire and influence and

1489
01:16:08,987 --> 01:16:15,907
Speaker 20: mentor particularly our youth into different areas not just rugby.

1490
01:16:16,147 --> 01:16:21,667
Speaker 20: And that's where Sam Whitelock's greatness actually really is. There's

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Speaker 20: another player that we should never forget and that's Jonah

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01:16:26,627 --> 01:16:30,267
Speaker 20: you know, I you know, like humble self of faith thing.

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01:16:31,467 --> 01:16:37,627
Speaker 20: We've just the first true professional rugby player that the

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01:16:37,707 --> 01:16:41,347
Speaker 20: world had ever seen, and you know, he played through

1495
01:16:41,907 --> 01:16:45,107
Speaker 20: a barrier of pain over a significant period of time

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Speaker 20: with with with what he had, and he is always

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01:16:48,987 --> 01:16:53,707
Speaker 20: approachable and always humble and always that that amazing personality.

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01:16:54,187 --> 01:16:56,507
Speaker 20: You know, to be an All Black grade or a

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01:16:56,587 --> 01:16:59,027
Speaker 20: sporting great or any great, you have to be the

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01:16:59,067 --> 01:17:01,747
Speaker 20: full package. And these guys generally are. And it's not

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01:17:01,907 --> 01:17:04,747
Speaker 20: just guys. And you know, you look at what's being

1502
01:17:04,827 --> 01:17:09,347
Speaker 20: talked about at the Olympics and then you're just Emma

1503
01:17:09,387 --> 01:17:13,667
Speaker 20: Twig and some of the Sarah Olmer back in the

1504
01:17:13,787 --> 01:17:17,667
Speaker 20: day as well, and probably one sports book person stands

1505
01:17:17,707 --> 01:17:22,787
Speaker 20: out for me as being absolutely amazing and that Sup

1506
01:17:22,827 --> 01:17:26,307
Speaker 20: and to boy you know where they just continue on

1507
01:17:26,427 --> 01:17:27,867
Speaker 20: and they continue to give.

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01:17:28,307 --> 01:17:31,147
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I do, Simon, I know exactly what

1509
01:17:31,187 --> 01:17:32,907
Speaker 2: you're talking about. I think you and I could talk

1510
01:17:32,907 --> 01:17:34,827
Speaker 2: about this for hours. We probably have in the past.

1511
01:17:35,427 --> 01:17:36,987
Speaker 2: Got to move though, mate, great to chat to you

1512
01:17:37,067 --> 01:17:40,867
Speaker 2: as always that Simon Wolfe you probably recognized the voice

1513
01:17:40,907 --> 01:17:43,747
Speaker 2: and the name. One of our all time great photographers

1514
01:17:43,867 --> 01:17:46,867
Speaker 2: and a huge sports fan as well. Just on thirteen

1515
01:17:47,027 --> 01:17:48,307
Speaker 2: away from two news talks.

1516
01:17:49,067 --> 01:17:50,907
Speaker 8: It's more than just a game.

1517
01:17:51,267 --> 01:17:55,907
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain and GJ. Gunnerholmes New Zealand's

1518
01:17:55,947 --> 01:17:58,147
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder News Talks MB.

1519
01:17:58,427 --> 01:18:00,547
Speaker 2: Jill says on text Jason, one of the funniest moments

1520
01:18:00,547 --> 01:18:03,027
Speaker 2: of Sam Whitelock's career was his father last year at

1521
01:18:03,067 --> 01:18:05,227
Speaker 2: the World Cup, saying it was time Sam gave up

1522
01:18:05,307 --> 01:18:07,907
Speaker 2: rugby because he had just taken his children to the

1523
01:18:08,027 --> 01:18:12,987
Speaker 2: zoo and they were absolutely feral. Time for Sam to

1524
01:18:13,627 --> 01:18:18,067
Speaker 2: assume fatherhood responsibilities thanks to your great story. Another one

1525
01:18:18,107 --> 01:18:21,427
Speaker 2: of our absolute greats is Tom Walsh. But unfortunately in

1526
01:18:21,467 --> 01:18:23,387
Speaker 2: the shop put this morning in Paris, it did not

1527
01:18:23,547 --> 01:18:24,187
Speaker 2: go his way.

1528
01:18:24,627 --> 01:18:26,627
Speaker 21: But he is getting into the ring to try and

1529
01:18:27,547 --> 01:18:29,867
Speaker 21: into the circle, to try and deliver it and get

1530
01:18:29,947 --> 01:18:32,467
Speaker 21: into this. He's currently outside the top eight, hasn't registered

1531
01:18:32,507 --> 01:18:36,187
Speaker 21: to throw. Tom Walsh pivot spins and heaves it out.

1532
01:18:36,307 --> 01:18:38,387
Speaker 21: Oh no, it's just not happening for him today. And

1533
01:18:38,507 --> 01:18:41,507
Speaker 21: that's gone about I don't know, four or five meters.

1534
01:18:42,227 --> 01:18:45,627
Speaker 21: He's grimaced as he went through the movement. Tom Walsh,

1535
01:18:45,747 --> 01:18:49,427
Speaker 21: So there's some injury there and he waves the camera

1536
01:18:49,867 --> 01:18:52,507
Speaker 21: a forlorn figure, that's for sure, Tom Walsh.

1537
01:18:52,587 --> 01:18:55,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly an injury. Tom Walsh spoke to some of

1538
01:18:55,347 --> 01:18:58,587
Speaker 2: the assembled media afterwards to let them know and let

1539
01:18:58,707 --> 01:19:01,027
Speaker 2: us know what had gone on to Could you tell

1540
01:19:01,067 --> 01:19:01,667
Speaker 2: us what happened?

1541
01:19:02,267 --> 01:19:06,387
Speaker 5: Oh, I've probably threw my ducknor on you know, a

1542
01:19:06,547 --> 01:19:07,387
Speaker 5: flexi or something like that.

1543
01:19:07,507 --> 01:19:09,627
Speaker 6: I've been finding some more niggles in there for the

1544
01:19:09,707 --> 01:19:12,707
Speaker 6: last month, and you know, I knew that it was

1545
01:19:12,787 --> 01:19:13,507
Speaker 6: a possibility.

1546
01:19:14,267 --> 01:19:16,227
Speaker 5: But how I gave it a go.

1547
01:19:16,347 --> 01:19:19,227
Speaker 6: I wanted to commit to the throws, and I committed

1548
01:19:19,267 --> 01:19:22,027
Speaker 6: to the two throws that I that I was somewhat

1549
01:19:22,107 --> 01:19:24,907
Speaker 6: healthy on, and and then I thought giving it a

1550
01:19:24,947 --> 01:19:26,907
Speaker 6: go on the last one because I don't want to

1551
01:19:26,947 --> 01:19:29,347
Speaker 6: be sitting back there tonight wondering if.

1552
01:19:29,267 --> 01:19:29,587
Speaker 5: I could have.

1553
01:19:30,627 --> 01:19:31,867
Speaker 2: So when did you actually feel it.

1554
01:19:33,707 --> 01:19:37,067
Speaker 5: Just before release on the on that stick and throw? Yes,

1555
01:19:38,027 --> 01:19:39,507
Speaker 5: I've done it a few times before.

1556
01:19:39,307 --> 01:19:41,867
Speaker 22: So I know that a lot have done and so,

1557
01:19:42,027 --> 01:19:44,067
Speaker 22: but it had been troubling you in the in the

1558
01:19:44,147 --> 01:19:45,507
Speaker 22: last couple of months, so you knew that.

1559
01:19:46,547 --> 01:19:48,387
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been getting it's definitely been getting better the

1560
01:19:48,427 --> 01:19:50,787
Speaker 6: last couple of months for sure.

1561
01:19:50,867 --> 01:19:52,227
Speaker 5: And and you know it was.

1562
01:19:53,987 --> 01:19:55,827
Speaker 6: You know, when we're out there doing what we do right,

1563
01:19:55,947 --> 01:19:58,587
Speaker 6: it's good pushing the limit and we always know that

1564
01:19:58,707 --> 01:20:02,307
Speaker 6: this is that's a that's a little chance that stuff happening, and.

1565
01:20:04,267 --> 01:20:07,267
Speaker 5: I'm just proud of myself that I for the throes.

1566
01:20:07,067 --> 01:20:11,387
Speaker 8: I hadn't ye are you feeling it yesterday?

1567
01:20:12,667 --> 01:20:17,227
Speaker 5: That's been live here? Okay, right, So how did you

1568
01:20:17,267 --> 01:20:18,067
Speaker 5: get through yesterday?

1569
01:20:18,427 --> 01:20:18,547
Speaker 13: Oh?

1570
01:20:18,627 --> 01:20:20,947
Speaker 5: No, like no, yes, today, Like I'm aware of it.

1571
01:20:21,147 --> 01:20:23,467
Speaker 5: There's a difference between wearing it and then do what

1572
01:20:23,547 --> 01:20:26,707
Speaker 5: I just did. So it was a little bit there's

1573
01:20:26,707 --> 01:20:28,267
Speaker 5: been a little bit slipped in, a little bit sore.

1574
01:20:28,827 --> 01:20:33,107
Speaker 6: I did not bad and then you know today I've

1575
01:20:33,867 --> 01:20:36,987
Speaker 6: done a number on I think given everything.

1576
01:20:36,707 --> 01:20:39,787
Speaker 22: You've a cheesed the Olympics, you must be you must

1577
01:20:39,827 --> 01:20:41,707
Speaker 22: be I mean devastated.

1578
01:20:41,787 --> 01:20:43,307
Speaker 5: I mean it must be so hard to take.

1579
01:20:43,667 --> 01:20:43,867
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1580
01:20:43,867 --> 01:20:46,227
Speaker 6: I still thought that I had a chance to come

1581
01:20:46,267 --> 01:20:49,147
Speaker 6: out here and throw really well today through well yesterday,

1582
01:20:50,307 --> 01:20:53,307
Speaker 6: and yeah, as I said, I wanted to commit to

1583
01:20:53,387 --> 01:20:55,907
Speaker 6: some throws and it was did and the body just

1584
01:20:55,907 --> 01:20:56,707
Speaker 6: didn't play balls.

1585
01:20:58,027 --> 01:20:58,987
Speaker 5: I'll be back wherever.

1586
01:20:59,027 --> 01:21:01,627
Speaker 22: I'm sure you will be, Tom, Yeah, I'm sure you

1587
01:21:01,667 --> 01:21:01,867
Speaker 22: will be.

1588
01:21:01,907 --> 01:21:02,987
Speaker 15: Thank you for spenders mate.

1589
01:21:04,227 --> 01:21:08,667
Speaker 2: That is Tom Walsh, after his injury plagued shot put

1590
01:21:09,347 --> 01:21:12,147
Speaker 2: campaign at the Paris Olympics came to an unfortunate end.

1591
01:21:12,227 --> 01:21:15,307
Speaker 2: So sad to see Jack O'Gill, on the other hand,

1592
01:21:15,347 --> 01:21:18,787
Speaker 2: had a very good shot put competition, finishing sixth. So

1593
01:21:18,907 --> 01:21:21,027
Speaker 2: maybe the mantle is about to be passed from Tom

1594
01:21:21,067 --> 01:21:23,667
Speaker 2: Walsh to Jack O'Gill. We wait and see seven to

1595
01:21:23,707 --> 01:21:24,507
Speaker 2: two News Talks EB.

1596
01:21:25,387 --> 01:21:27,627
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

1597
01:21:27,827 --> 01:21:32,907
Speaker 1: on ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Pine News Talks.

1598
01:21:32,707 --> 01:21:36,227
Speaker 2: Heb four to two. Stew says Pinty Sam's contribution cannot

1599
01:21:36,227 --> 01:21:39,947
Speaker 2: be underestimated. Meads and Whitelock are our two best locks.

1600
01:21:40,027 --> 01:21:43,907
Speaker 2: Similar off field contribution to McCaw so Whitelock definitely top

1601
01:21:43,947 --> 01:21:46,467
Speaker 2: five for me. I think that might be a stew

1602
01:21:46,507 --> 01:21:49,027
Speaker 2: who's played a fair amount of top class rugby himself,

1603
01:21:49,107 --> 01:21:51,667
Speaker 2: and Nicholas has got us top ten from ten to one,

1604
01:21:51,787 --> 01:21:57,467
Speaker 2: Kerwin going, Lahore, Jones, Whitelock, Carter at five, Jonah Fitzpatrick,

1605
01:21:57,907 --> 01:22:01,867
Speaker 2: Meads and McCaw thanks for sending it in, Nicholas. After

1606
01:22:01,947 --> 01:22:04,467
Speaker 2: two o'clock David Neath he joins me in studio, one

1607
01:22:04,507 --> 01:22:07,587
Speaker 2: of our top performance coaches. On the winning mindset.

1608
01:22:08,747 --> 01:22:12,907
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1609
01:22:13,707 --> 01:22:18,547
Speaker 1: the big controversies, and the big conversations. It's all on

1610
01:22:18,707 --> 01:22:22,467
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1611
01:22:22,947 --> 01:22:23,547
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1612
01:22:23,587 --> 01:22:27,107
Speaker 2: It'd be two seven, Welcome in, Welcome back, and as

1613
01:22:27,147 --> 01:22:29,867
Speaker 2: the case may be, I'm Jason Pine. We're here till

1614
01:22:29,907 --> 01:22:31,707
Speaker 2: three o'clock talking sport and then we'll hand it over

1615
01:22:31,787 --> 01:22:34,947
Speaker 2: to Tim Beveridge for the weekend Collective Sunday edition. Want

1616
01:22:34,947 --> 01:22:37,307
Speaker 2: to preview the A and Z Premiership Netball Final four

1617
01:22:37,347 --> 01:22:40,667
Speaker 2: o'clock this afternoon, Central Pulse, Northern Mystics and Wellington. You

1618
01:22:40,747 --> 01:22:42,907
Speaker 2: can hear a commentary of that game incidentally with Malcolm

1619
01:22:42,947 --> 01:22:46,307
Speaker 2: Jordan and Evon Willering on Gold Sport from four o'clock

1620
01:22:46,347 --> 01:22:49,667
Speaker 2: this afternoon. Tiana Matudro out of the Pulse and Mikhayla

1621
01:22:49,747 --> 01:22:52,147
Speaker 2: Sokolch Beatson out of the Northern Mystic's going to join

1622
01:22:52,267 --> 01:22:55,067
Speaker 2: us before the end of the show, welcoming a guest

1623
01:22:55,107 --> 01:22:58,347
Speaker 2: into the studio shortly too. Your calls and feedback continue

1624
01:22:58,347 --> 01:23:00,427
Speaker 2: to be welcome right across the afternoon. Oh eight hundred

1625
01:23:00,427 --> 01:23:02,427
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two. If you

1626
01:23:02,467 --> 01:23:06,067
Speaker 2: would prefer to correspond by text, But as we always

1627
01:23:06,147 --> 01:23:09,507
Speaker 2: do around about this time on Sturllane Sunday afternoon, it's

1628
01:23:09,547 --> 01:23:11,387
Speaker 2: time to get you across the stuff that might have

1629
01:23:11,507 --> 01:23:14,987
Speaker 2: escaped your attention, the things that perhaps you haven't caught

1630
01:23:15,067 --> 01:23:16,907
Speaker 2: up with yet. We call it in case you missed it.

1631
01:23:18,827 --> 01:23:22,827
Speaker 2: And it's all about the Olympics today. Sim Own Biles incredible,

1632
01:23:23,027 --> 01:23:28,107
Speaker 2: adding another gold to her already glittering collection. This is

1633
01:23:28,227 --> 01:23:28,827
Speaker 2: the most.

1634
01:23:28,627 --> 01:23:30,507
Speaker 8: Difficult gold in the world for women.

1635
01:23:30,867 --> 01:23:31,907
Speaker 11: It's named after her.

1636
01:23:32,787 --> 01:23:34,267
Speaker 14: And she landed on her feet.

1637
01:23:35,067 --> 01:23:37,067
Speaker 8: Looks good, very good.

1638
01:23:39,667 --> 01:23:43,307
Speaker 2: She smashed it. She looked pretty tense before it and

1639
01:23:43,547 --> 01:23:47,307
Speaker 2: pretty relaxed after it. And the tennis Chin Weanjeng has

1640
01:23:47,387 --> 01:23:49,947
Speaker 2: followed up her upset of eagish beyond tech to take

1641
01:23:50,027 --> 01:23:52,667
Speaker 2: home gold in the women's tennis singles and.

1642
01:23:52,707 --> 01:23:54,827
Speaker 8: They go toe to toe and it's.

1643
01:23:54,787 --> 01:23:57,547
Speaker 23: Jing with the four hands winner in the end of

1644
01:23:57,667 --> 01:24:02,547
Speaker 23: states composed. So that is the biggest victory for the

1645
01:24:02,587 --> 01:24:05,667
Speaker 23: world number seven Chinwin Jing of China in her career.

1646
01:24:06,387 --> 01:24:09,827
Speaker 2: Huge month that's been for Belgian cyclist Remco even pole

1647
01:24:10,067 --> 01:24:12,387
Speaker 2: white jersey and third overall on the twur de France,

1648
01:24:12,467 --> 01:24:15,267
Speaker 2: gold in the Olympics time trial, and now gold in

1649
01:24:15,307 --> 01:24:16,107
Speaker 2: the men's road race.

1650
01:24:16,187 --> 01:24:20,907
Speaker 3: Takes his feet out of the cleats and completes a

1651
01:24:21,187 --> 01:24:28,027
Speaker 3: gold medal ride in Paris. Remco abedabol is the Olympic

1652
01:24:28,307 --> 01:24:32,107
Speaker 3: road race champion, and boy has he done that comfortably.

1653
01:24:32,547 --> 01:24:35,627
Speaker 2: In the shop put Ryan Krauser secured his legacy as

1654
01:24:35,707 --> 01:24:38,867
Speaker 2: the greatest of all time on the back to.

1655
01:24:38,987 --> 01:24:42,867
Speaker 12: The middle to the front, and he knows he's got

1656
01:24:42,947 --> 01:24:43,427
Speaker 12: that connection.

1657
01:24:43,667 --> 01:24:46,987
Speaker 3: Looked like twenty three and replay nearly there twenty two

1658
01:24:47,187 --> 01:24:50,067
Speaker 3: point nine Kring Ryan Krauser.

1659
01:24:50,387 --> 01:24:52,867
Speaker 2: And there was a shock in the women's one hundred

1660
01:24:52,947 --> 01:24:54,947
Speaker 2: meter final and they're.

1661
01:24:54,787 --> 01:24:57,467
Speaker 24: Off register makes a slow start, she can't catch up

1662
01:24:57,507 --> 01:24:59,947
Speaker 24: with the main field as Alfred Alfred up the metal

1663
01:25:00,107 --> 01:25:03,587
Speaker 24: at Alfred Alfred's race to lose charging Ford. She's gotta

1664
01:25:03,667 --> 01:25:07,707
Speaker 24: do it you one hundred out of Thempic Champion, Jolly

1665
01:25:07,747 --> 01:25:10,507
Speaker 24: and Alfred on Olympic Games Stables.

1666
01:25:11,867 --> 01:25:14,467
Speaker 1: The Scoop from the track fields and the Court, On

1667
01:25:14,667 --> 01:25:18,787
Speaker 1: your Homeless Sport, We Sport with Jason Vine News Talks.

1668
01:25:19,347 --> 01:25:21,547
Speaker 2: The book arrived on my desk this week, called The

1669
01:25:21,627 --> 01:25:25,587
Speaker 2: Winning Mindset Successful Strategies for Sport, Business and Life. It's

1670
01:25:25,627 --> 01:25:28,707
Speaker 2: written by David Neathi, one of New Zealand's leading mental

1671
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Speaker 2: performance coaches. He's worked across business and sport to help

1672
01:25:31,867 --> 01:25:35,787
Speaker 2: enable peak performance in the Sporting World. Among those he's

1673
01:25:35,827 --> 01:25:40,627
Speaker 2: worked with are City kickboxing fighters Israel Adasanya and Kaikara France.

1674
01:25:40,667 --> 01:25:43,427
Speaker 2: He's also worked with golfers Lydia Coe and Michael Hendry,

1675
01:25:43,707 --> 01:25:47,067
Speaker 2: the New Zealand breakers Jack O'Gill, and several other Commonwealth

1676
01:25:47,187 --> 01:25:50,267
Speaker 2: Games and Olympic athletes. He's also got the same haircut

1677
01:25:50,307 --> 01:25:52,707
Speaker 2: as Meat was keen to get him in. David Neathy,

1678
01:25:52,747 --> 01:25:53,027
Speaker 2: how are you?

1679
01:25:53,227 --> 01:25:55,427
Speaker 7: I'm great, mate, Thanks so much for having me.

1680
01:25:56,147 --> 01:25:58,947
Speaker 2: Your seminars usually include the phrase language may offend. Do

1681
01:25:58,987 --> 01:26:00,707
Speaker 2: we need to be carefully here? No, we might have

1682
01:26:00,827 --> 01:26:03,867
Speaker 2: to be a little bit careful, but we'll be reserved today.

1683
01:26:04,027 --> 01:26:05,827
Speaker 2: Great to see him make congratulations on the book.

1684
01:26:05,907 --> 01:26:06,787
Speaker 14: Is this your book?

1685
01:26:06,907 --> 01:26:09,627
Speaker 7: This is my first book. In fact, it was unexpected.

1686
01:26:09,867 --> 01:26:13,867
Speaker 7: It was HarperCollins approached me and asked if i'd be

1687
01:26:14,027 --> 01:26:17,907
Speaker 7: keen and just to say the least, it wasn't. It

1688
01:26:18,067 --> 01:26:21,747
Speaker 7: wasn't something that was actually planned. But yeah, here it is.

1689
01:26:22,107 --> 01:26:24,947
Speaker 2: It speaks or I think that's all right. Phrase. It

1690
01:26:25,027 --> 01:26:27,227
Speaker 2: feels like the book is speaking, and now that I've

1691
01:26:27,267 --> 01:26:29,547
Speaker 2: met you, it feels like it's speaking in your voice.

1692
01:26:30,467 --> 01:26:32,507
Speaker 2: Is that was that the intent that you wanted?

1693
01:26:32,547 --> 01:26:34,507
Speaker 7: You wanted it to be kind of really yeah, I

1694
01:26:34,667 --> 01:26:38,187
Speaker 7: tell you I had I will admit I did have

1695
01:26:38,387 --> 01:26:42,627
Speaker 7: some help obviously with Net McCloy, who was my ghostwriter,

1696
01:26:42,867 --> 01:26:46,587
Speaker 7: and she she said, look, Dave, you you've got a personality,

1697
01:26:46,987 --> 01:26:49,347
Speaker 7: and idealy we want to sort of bring that across.

1698
01:26:50,507 --> 01:26:53,627
Speaker 7: So she she sort of structured it that way. And obviously,

1699
01:26:53,867 --> 01:26:55,827
Speaker 7: you know, the other person that really helped a lot

1700
01:26:55,947 --> 01:26:57,787
Speaker 7: was the wife, my wife, Joe.

1701
01:26:57,987 --> 01:27:00,947
Speaker 2: It's off on the case. Yeah, I can say from experience, Yeah.

1702
01:27:01,027 --> 01:27:03,227
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had a lot. I had a lot on

1703
01:27:03,347 --> 01:27:08,107
Speaker 7: my plate, and you know, I felt like, you know,

1704
01:27:08,507 --> 01:27:11,227
Speaker 7: we didn't have we didn't have a lot of time.

1705
01:27:11,307 --> 01:27:13,547
Speaker 7: But Nick did a fantastic job.

1706
01:27:14,147 --> 01:27:16,267
Speaker 2: What are some of the central themes of the book?

1707
01:27:16,987 --> 01:27:21,227
Speaker 7: I think if we talk about just overcoming fear, talking

1708
01:27:21,267 --> 01:27:26,187
Speaker 7: about building and strategies on how to navigate your way

1709
01:27:26,267 --> 01:27:29,267
Speaker 7: through the challenges of that, you know, how do we

1710
01:27:29,347 --> 01:27:32,387
Speaker 7: get into peak performance, how do we overcome fair? How

1711
01:27:32,427 --> 01:27:34,827
Speaker 7: do I become the best version of myself? And the

1712
01:27:35,467 --> 01:27:39,827
Speaker 7: whole books about strategies are in overcoming.

1713
01:27:40,427 --> 01:27:43,147
Speaker 2: One central question of the book is, and it's written

1714
01:27:43,187 --> 01:27:45,707
Speaker 2: across the back and read letters, what would you do

1715
01:27:46,507 --> 01:27:51,147
Speaker 2: if you knew you couldn't fail. How prevalent are feelings

1716
01:27:51,267 --> 01:27:53,507
Speaker 2: or fears of failure in top athletes.

1717
01:27:54,707 --> 01:28:01,387
Speaker 7: I think you'll find that progressively as they get condition

1718
01:28:01,707 --> 01:28:07,307
Speaker 7: for top quality competitions. The nerves it's no different from

1719
01:28:07,547 --> 01:28:11,827
Speaker 7: a golfer on a Sunday game worrying about the hit

1720
01:28:11,907 --> 01:28:15,827
Speaker 7: in the first shot. But these high performance athletes are

1721
01:28:15,867 --> 01:28:20,627
Speaker 7: well conditioned. They've had tens, if not decades of hard work,

1722
01:28:20,707 --> 01:28:21,267
Speaker 7: so they're kind of.

1723
01:28:21,347 --> 01:28:24,587
Speaker 2: Used to it. And failure is inevitable on any journey,

1724
01:28:24,667 --> 01:28:26,027
Speaker 2: especially to the very top, isn't it.

1725
01:28:26,387 --> 01:28:29,707
Speaker 7: It's on the journey to success you are going to

1726
01:28:29,867 --> 01:28:33,387
Speaker 7: pass through failure many times. What are the keys to

1727
01:28:33,507 --> 01:28:37,027
Speaker 7: dealing with it, reframing it and understanding this? The fundamental

1728
01:28:37,107 --> 01:28:39,987
Speaker 7: thing here is that there is no such thing as failure.

1729
01:28:40,107 --> 01:28:42,707
Speaker 7: There's only learning. Now, what I say in the book

1730
01:28:42,787 --> 01:28:45,787
Speaker 7: is if you can preserve the learnings and let go

1731
01:28:45,907 --> 01:28:50,547
Speaker 7: of the negative emotions, you then develop and build a

1732
01:28:50,627 --> 01:28:54,707
Speaker 7: strong self image so that you can navigate continuously on

1733
01:28:54,827 --> 01:28:55,987
Speaker 7: a path to your goals.

1734
01:28:56,307 --> 01:28:59,347
Speaker 2: It's hard, though, wasn't it, Because at the time when

1735
01:28:59,467 --> 01:29:01,867
Speaker 2: things don't go your way. I'm not just talking elite

1736
01:29:01,907 --> 01:29:04,707
Speaker 2: athletes or very successful business people, but all of us.

1737
01:29:05,067 --> 01:29:08,307
Speaker 2: We all have moments in as that hasn't gone the

1738
01:29:08,347 --> 01:29:10,107
Speaker 2: way I hope. You feel embarrassed, you feel like you

1739
01:29:10,227 --> 01:29:14,947
Speaker 2: let people down, you feel disappointed. How can you separate

1740
01:29:14,987 --> 01:29:17,307
Speaker 2: all of those emotions and try and take out the lessons?

1741
01:29:17,867 --> 01:29:20,587
Speaker 7: Well, I think that's probably where you sort of want

1742
01:29:20,627 --> 01:29:23,267
Speaker 7: to have someone or a support network that can help

1743
01:29:23,427 --> 01:29:27,907
Speaker 7: navigate and create those conversations to extract from that, you know,

1744
01:29:28,227 --> 01:29:31,227
Speaker 7: the key learnings. I mean, this is why you know,

1745
01:29:32,027 --> 01:29:36,067
Speaker 7: sports psychologists, mental performance coaches are so vital today in

1746
01:29:36,667 --> 01:29:39,787
Speaker 7: the in the world. I mean, it's a growing industry.

1747
01:29:40,107 --> 01:29:41,747
Speaker 2: You've touched on a really interesting point that I was

1748
01:29:41,747 --> 01:29:44,227
Speaker 2: going to ask you about. How has the attitude towards

1749
01:29:44,707 --> 01:29:48,707
Speaker 2: coaching mental performance changed and you've been doing it three decades.

1750
01:29:49,027 --> 01:29:49,467
Speaker 14: What was it like?

1751
01:29:49,547 --> 01:29:52,107
Speaker 7: What was luck when you started and nowadays? You know,

1752
01:29:52,867 --> 01:29:57,227
Speaker 7: if you kind of learned from senior members around you

1753
01:29:57,787 --> 01:30:02,427
Speaker 7: or your coaches. And certainly I want to make this

1754
01:30:02,747 --> 01:30:04,907
Speaker 7: sort of clear in the contents of what I do.

1755
01:30:05,267 --> 01:30:08,747
Speaker 7: I work with high perform moments. I don't do mental health.

1756
01:30:09,387 --> 01:30:12,947
Speaker 7: So I think there's a lot more self awareness of

1757
01:30:13,107 --> 01:30:15,627
Speaker 7: mental health issues and having the right people around them

1758
01:30:15,667 --> 01:30:18,147
Speaker 7: to support that. But when it comes to high performance.

1759
01:30:19,387 --> 01:30:22,587
Speaker 7: That's a very specialist field. That's where I sit.

1760
01:30:22,827 --> 01:30:25,307
Speaker 2: And so when you started, was it was there still

1761
01:30:25,387 --> 01:30:28,307
Speaker 2: some what are we thirty years ago? Ninety four? Was

1762
01:30:28,347 --> 01:30:31,107
Speaker 2: there a bit of suspicion still around about about you know,

1763
01:30:31,427 --> 01:30:33,947
Speaker 2: coaching mental performance? Just gutther and lifts some more weights,

1764
01:30:33,947 --> 01:30:34,187
Speaker 2: will you?

1765
01:30:34,387 --> 01:30:37,187
Speaker 7: Yeah, the old sort of tea spurin or concrete and

1766
01:30:37,267 --> 01:30:39,747
Speaker 7: hardened up mate. I mean, but I was very much

1767
01:30:39,947 --> 01:30:42,907
Speaker 7: that blue collar worker who was brought up in that environment,

1768
01:30:43,427 --> 01:30:46,667
Speaker 7: which to a certain point, you know, there's some bloody

1769
01:30:46,787 --> 01:30:49,347
Speaker 7: truth in that. You know, whether you like it or not,

1770
01:30:49,867 --> 01:30:52,827
Speaker 7: you kind of have to harden the pep up if

1771
01:30:52,907 --> 01:30:56,667
Speaker 7: you really truly want to overcome. So it's about facing

1772
01:30:56,787 --> 01:31:00,627
Speaker 7: those fares. But ideally, you know, when we have that

1773
01:31:00,787 --> 01:31:04,307
Speaker 7: sort of harden up narrative, it's it's it's not really

1774
01:31:04,747 --> 01:31:07,667
Speaker 7: it's frowned upon. But I will tell you, you know,

1775
01:31:07,827 --> 01:31:11,387
Speaker 7: working with a lot of my clients, I absolutely challenged

1776
01:31:11,467 --> 01:31:15,387
Speaker 7: them to understand and to face that fair Carl Jung

1777
01:31:15,467 --> 01:31:20,147
Speaker 7: said this, we're fear lies. There's your task. Love that

1778
01:31:20,707 --> 01:31:22,907
Speaker 7: love that David neath, he's our guest. The winning mindset

1779
01:31:23,347 --> 01:31:27,347
Speaker 7: is the book you've worked with kickboxes like Israel Adisanya

1780
01:31:27,507 --> 01:31:30,387
Speaker 7: and golfers like lydia Coe. They could hardly be more

1781
01:31:30,467 --> 01:31:34,747
Speaker 7: diametrically opposite in terms of what is needed for success.

1782
01:31:34,827 --> 01:31:37,347
Speaker 7: I mean lydia Co's got to be utterly relaxed before

1783
01:31:37,387 --> 01:31:40,347
Speaker 7: she approaches every shot. I don't know about kickboxing, but

1784
01:31:40,427 --> 01:31:41,947
Speaker 7: i'd imagine you have to be fairly hyped up to

1785
01:31:41,947 --> 01:31:44,667
Speaker 7: get in the octagon to start with. Yeah, it's actually

1786
01:31:44,867 --> 01:31:48,787
Speaker 7: not the case at all being hyped up. I mean

1787
01:31:49,347 --> 01:31:53,067
Speaker 7: in the book, I took about the performance window and

1788
01:31:54,547 --> 01:31:59,987
Speaker 7: ideally the difference. I mean with kickboxing, it's not about reacting,

1789
01:32:00,067 --> 01:32:03,347
Speaker 7: it's about responding, and you have to have a calm

1790
01:32:03,547 --> 01:32:08,907
Speaker 7: mind to be able to to anticipate the movement. So

1791
01:32:09,467 --> 01:32:11,507
Speaker 7: what I get with a lot of feedback with the

1792
01:32:11,587 --> 01:32:14,507
Speaker 7: guys is when I talk about getting into that state,

1793
01:32:15,187 --> 01:32:18,947
Speaker 7: the feedback is often it's like I'm half a second

1794
01:32:19,027 --> 01:32:22,587
Speaker 7: ahead of my opponent, and that's a beautiful place to be. Now,

1795
01:32:22,867 --> 01:32:26,467
Speaker 7: as far as Livia's concerned, I think the one thing

1796
01:32:26,507 --> 01:32:29,307
Speaker 7: that makes God very challenging is that you have time

1797
01:32:29,427 --> 01:32:34,067
Speaker 7: to think, and that thinking can very quickly contaminate.

1798
01:32:34,747 --> 01:32:36,587
Speaker 2: Yes, So because I think you're right, you off and

1799
01:32:36,627 --> 01:32:38,867
Speaker 2: hear about the heat of the moment or somebody doing

1800
01:32:38,947 --> 01:32:42,387
Speaker 2: something spontaneously. You can't reallydo that, and golf can. You've

1801
01:32:42,387 --> 01:32:43,667
Speaker 2: got far too much time to think about it.

1802
01:32:43,867 --> 01:32:44,067
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1803
01:32:44,187 --> 01:32:46,667
Speaker 7: Yeah, And you've got to be able to manage yourself.

1804
01:32:46,747 --> 01:32:48,747
Speaker 7: I mean, you hit the ball two one hundred and

1805
01:32:48,787 --> 01:32:51,667
Speaker 7: twenty meters down the fairway, You've got time to think

1806
01:32:52,587 --> 01:32:55,387
Speaker 7: or reflect about the last hole where you boged whatever.

1807
01:32:55,467 --> 01:32:59,707
Speaker 7: And these these thoughts can actually contaminate the self image,

1808
01:32:59,747 --> 01:33:04,627
Speaker 7: It can actually affect the neurology and hav an impact

1809
01:33:04,707 --> 01:33:08,387
Speaker 7: on your to stay in the now, which is so

1810
01:33:09,787 --> 01:33:12,027
Speaker 7: so important for high performance athletes.

1811
01:33:12,107 --> 01:33:15,227
Speaker 2: So there are general principles that apply across goals of

1812
01:33:15,307 --> 01:33:18,787
Speaker 2: special boxing and everything in between them. Absolutely one is

1813
01:33:18,947 --> 01:33:24,547
Speaker 2: absolutely self awareness. Absolutely understanding through conscious awareness on the

1814
01:33:24,707 --> 01:33:28,387
Speaker 2: state that you're in and understanding is this state contributing

1815
01:33:28,507 --> 01:33:32,307
Speaker 2: or contaminating the moment that you can because fundamentally you

1816
01:33:32,387 --> 01:33:35,667
Speaker 2: cannot change anything you don't first recognize. So you recognize, hey,

1817
01:33:35,787 --> 01:33:39,067
Speaker 2: this is not helping me. I give them a toolbox

1818
01:33:39,267 --> 01:33:44,667
Speaker 2: or a performance mental performance toolbox of things that they

1819
01:33:44,787 --> 01:33:47,547
Speaker 2: can use to get them back into state. I want

1820
01:33:47,547 --> 01:33:50,587
Speaker 2: to ask you about outside noise, which is now more

1821
01:33:50,667 --> 01:33:53,467
Speaker 2: prevalent than ever. Anybody with an Internet connection and a

1822
01:33:53,507 --> 01:33:56,907
Speaker 2: smartphone can make you know, can post an opinion about anybody.

1823
01:33:57,587 --> 01:34:00,107
Speaker 2: Someone's probably listening to us and firing something off right

1824
01:34:00,107 --> 01:34:04,147
Speaker 2: now if they want to. How important is it and

1825
01:34:04,307 --> 01:34:07,107
Speaker 2: how can you block out noise that irrelevant to you?

1826
01:34:07,347 --> 01:34:09,507
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's quite simple. And again this is

1827
01:34:09,547 --> 01:34:13,027
Speaker 7: where we had to be mindful of language. Ultimately, when

1828
01:34:13,027 --> 01:34:15,227
Speaker 7: you have a strong self image, you don't give a shit.

1829
01:34:17,227 --> 01:34:19,507
Speaker 7: And I think the other key thing is, you know

1830
01:34:20,467 --> 01:34:24,547
Speaker 7: you can with social media today you actually have the

1831
01:34:24,667 --> 01:34:29,507
Speaker 7: ability to turn your device off. You know, I'm certainly

1832
01:34:29,587 --> 01:34:32,547
Speaker 7: not going to allow anyone else to contaminate my self

1833
01:34:32,587 --> 01:34:35,947
Speaker 7: image or dictate to me. And so again part of

1834
01:34:36,027 --> 01:34:40,347
Speaker 7: that is helping my clients build a strong self image

1835
01:34:40,427 --> 01:34:41,747
Speaker 7: of undoubtable belief.

1836
01:34:43,107 --> 01:34:46,547
Speaker 2: How do you connect with your clients because they come

1837
01:34:46,587 --> 01:34:48,427
Speaker 2: and they've never met you A You're a likable guy.

1838
01:34:49,467 --> 01:34:51,307
Speaker 2: I know your ten minutes. It's not difficult, but I'd

1839
01:34:51,347 --> 01:34:53,667
Speaker 2: imagine there be trepidation, Oh, you know, what's this guy

1840
01:34:53,747 --> 01:34:55,547
Speaker 2: going to tell me? You know, like I said, I

1841
01:34:55,587 --> 01:34:56,787
Speaker 2: just want to get out and lift some weights or

1842
01:34:56,787 --> 01:34:59,267
Speaker 2: whatever it is. How do you establish rapport.

1843
01:35:00,347 --> 01:35:03,147
Speaker 7: I would say that it's see, this is something that

1844
01:35:03,267 --> 01:35:07,067
Speaker 7: because I've done it for so long within weds, I

1845
01:35:07,147 --> 01:35:09,387
Speaker 7: can have them very relaxed. So it's not something that

1846
01:35:09,507 --> 01:35:12,627
Speaker 7: I could actually tell you. It's just something innate.

1847
01:35:12,747 --> 01:35:14,147
Speaker 2: It's just a skill.

1848
01:35:14,627 --> 01:35:19,547
Speaker 7: For many, many years of coaching tens of thousands of ours, can.

1849
01:35:19,427 --> 01:35:21,707
Speaker 2: I always ask you work with the breakers? And Basketball's

1850
01:35:21,707 --> 01:35:24,067
Speaker 2: always always appeal to me as a sport. I love

1851
01:35:24,107 --> 01:35:27,627
Speaker 2: what basketball. My son's right into it. But watching the

1852
01:35:27,747 --> 01:35:30,507
Speaker 2: top players in the world with seemingly ice in their

1853
01:35:30,587 --> 01:35:35,907
Speaker 2: veins in these huge moments, seconds counting down, cool hidedness,

1854
01:35:36,267 --> 01:35:37,747
Speaker 2: cool hiddenness? Can that be coached?

1855
01:35:38,427 --> 01:35:42,387
Speaker 7: I think? I think the most important thing is when

1856
01:35:42,427 --> 01:35:47,067
Speaker 7: you get to elite level clients, they are so curious

1857
01:35:47,147 --> 01:35:48,907
Speaker 7: and eager to learn to get that edge.

1858
01:35:48,987 --> 01:35:49,147
Speaker 14: Right.

1859
01:35:49,427 --> 01:35:53,587
Speaker 7: So whilst you're on that that you've nailed it. Here's

1860
01:35:53,627 --> 01:35:56,627
Speaker 7: a real beautiful story. So do you remember is it

1861
01:35:58,307 --> 01:36:00,987
Speaker 7: is it twenty sixteen when we won the NBA L

1862
01:36:01,787 --> 01:36:03,387
Speaker 7: I think it was something like that, something like that,

1863
01:36:03,507 --> 01:36:06,107
Speaker 7: and I remember remember a big quay put the shot

1864
01:36:06,187 --> 01:36:06,987
Speaker 7: up on the buzzer.

1865
01:36:07,067 --> 01:36:08,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolute scenes, pandemonium.

1866
01:36:09,107 --> 01:36:13,387
Speaker 7: Oh mate, it was the most amazing experience, right, Now,

1867
01:36:13,987 --> 01:36:17,667
Speaker 7: I remember running a seminar for the guys. This is

1868
01:36:17,867 --> 01:36:20,947
Speaker 7: sort of beginning of the season, and as we ran

1869
01:36:21,027 --> 01:36:23,747
Speaker 7: through it and I finished, a big way jumps up

1870
01:36:23,867 --> 01:36:24,627
Speaker 7: and he goes.

1871
01:36:24,467 --> 01:36:27,667
Speaker 2: You know what you are, man, You're real, man, You're real.

1872
01:36:28,507 --> 01:36:31,587
Speaker 15: You know. So these guys are keen to learn anything

1873
01:36:31,667 --> 01:36:32,467
Speaker 15: they can to get.

1874
01:36:32,347 --> 01:36:35,787
Speaker 2: The mental edge. That's great, that is great. While there

1875
01:36:35,827 --> 01:36:39,147
Speaker 2: are things and themes that will will really help towards

1876
01:36:39,187 --> 01:36:42,107
Speaker 2: peak performance, are there things that will definitely detract from it?

1877
01:36:43,027 --> 01:36:43,187
Speaker 14: Ah?

1878
01:36:44,187 --> 01:36:49,707
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, there's always going to be obviously navigating your

1879
01:36:49,747 --> 01:36:54,107
Speaker 7: way through failure, and I think the keys to overcoming

1880
01:36:54,187 --> 01:36:57,267
Speaker 7: some of the challenges is certainly having the right network.

1881
01:36:57,667 --> 01:37:01,507
Speaker 7: You've got to have a support network and play and

1882
01:37:02,267 --> 01:37:04,467
Speaker 7: to a certain point, people have got to take some

1883
01:37:04,667 --> 01:37:09,067
Speaker 7: level of personal responsible to see responsibility an agency. You know,

1884
01:37:09,187 --> 01:37:11,747
Speaker 7: your stat is your choice. You know, I want to

1885
01:37:11,747 --> 01:37:15,347
Speaker 7: allow someone to dictate to me. So again, it's not

1886
01:37:15,467 --> 01:37:21,787
Speaker 7: so much ideal so much with that in that I

1887
01:37:22,507 --> 01:37:25,787
Speaker 7: established a strong self image so that it's not something

1888
01:37:25,827 --> 01:37:30,107
Speaker 7: that comes up in the conversations in our journey together.

1889
01:37:30,787 --> 01:37:33,067
Speaker 2: How do you get your rewards? What are your biggest rewards?

1890
01:37:35,107 --> 01:37:37,787
Speaker 7: Well, obviously you can appreciate. There's a real buzz when

1891
01:37:37,827 --> 01:37:39,907
Speaker 7: you have a client on TV who gets a gold

1892
01:37:40,027 --> 01:37:46,827
Speaker 7: medal like Tupo, and that's really really rewarding. But there

1893
01:37:46,867 --> 01:37:51,107
Speaker 7: are also times. I remember a young man who was

1894
01:37:51,187 --> 01:37:55,147
Speaker 7: really struggling, sort of a low self esteem, very intimidated

1895
01:37:55,147 --> 01:37:56,547
Speaker 7: by a lot of the swimmers on the pool, and

1896
01:37:56,587 --> 01:38:00,867
Speaker 7: I remember we worked together and his parents phoned me

1897
01:38:01,027 --> 01:38:03,267
Speaker 7: after the event on the drive home. I think they

1898
01:38:03,307 --> 01:38:05,467
Speaker 7: were in an apier driving home to walk and they said,

1899
01:38:05,507 --> 01:38:08,427
Speaker 7: oh my god, Dave, you won't believe what happened. He's

1900
01:38:08,507 --> 01:38:11,547
Speaker 7: been working with you and been working for this particular

1901
01:38:11,587 --> 01:38:14,787
Speaker 7: event and they said, look he peeb and I went, oh,

1902
01:38:14,867 --> 01:38:17,667
Speaker 7: that's great, that's what I expected. And they said, Dave,

1903
01:38:17,787 --> 01:38:20,427
Speaker 7: he had a thirteen second PB.

1904
01:38:21,467 --> 01:38:24,987
Speaker 2: Thirteen seconds in the pool. That's unreal.

1905
01:38:25,907 --> 01:38:28,667
Speaker 7: Now he was still quite young, which is expected that

1906
01:38:28,747 --> 01:38:32,747
Speaker 7: you can make big jumps, obviously, but they hear it

1907
01:38:32,867 --> 01:38:37,747
Speaker 7: on the parent's voice. The only true way to success

1908
01:38:37,867 --> 01:38:40,267
Speaker 7: is to help others get what they want. And so

1909
01:38:40,427 --> 01:38:44,307
Speaker 7: I get fulfilled with this, with small events that aren't

1910
01:38:44,347 --> 01:38:46,907
Speaker 7: in the book that no one else will know except

1911
01:38:46,987 --> 01:38:51,067
Speaker 7: for them and the client. You know, that's special for me.

1912
01:38:51,227 --> 01:38:53,667
Speaker 2: Mate One thing you hear a lot as well about

1913
01:38:53,707 --> 01:38:56,027
Speaker 2: top athletes and top performers across all industries is that

1914
01:38:56,067 --> 01:38:57,307
Speaker 2: they always want to learn more.

1915
01:38:57,667 --> 01:39:00,947
Speaker 7: Yeah, you feel that way as well. Absolutely, they're incredibly curious.

1916
01:39:00,987 --> 01:39:03,027
Speaker 7: And I've always said to the guys, look, you come

1917
01:39:03,067 --> 01:39:05,507
Speaker 7: and see me, but don't make it one dimensional. I

1918
01:39:05,707 --> 01:39:09,427
Speaker 7: want education should be on the continuant for the rest

1919
01:39:09,467 --> 01:39:12,867
Speaker 7: of your life. You should be educating yourself. I think

1920
01:39:12,947 --> 01:39:15,467
Speaker 7: things may change as you mature as an athlete and

1921
01:39:15,627 --> 01:39:18,307
Speaker 7: come to your end of your career. Your education may

1922
01:39:18,387 --> 01:39:21,107
Speaker 7: be in the next phase of your life. But education

1923
01:39:21,747 --> 01:39:25,067
Speaker 7: education by definition. I'm not saying you have to get

1924
01:39:25,107 --> 01:39:30,147
Speaker 7: a university degree, but you should be constantly learning. That's

1925
01:39:30,187 --> 01:39:31,427
Speaker 7: the existentialist to me.

1926
01:39:31,547 --> 01:39:31,787
Speaker 8: Mate.

1927
01:39:31,827 --> 01:39:34,187
Speaker 7: You know, I believe with thrown in this world, let's

1928
01:39:34,307 --> 01:39:36,507
Speaker 7: extract as much as we can out of it.

1929
01:39:37,107 --> 01:39:39,067
Speaker 2: So you're still learning. Oh absolute.

1930
01:39:39,107 --> 01:39:41,427
Speaker 7: In fact here I am. I don't know in the

1931
01:39:41,507 --> 01:39:44,347
Speaker 7: book you might read, I left school at sixteen with

1932
01:39:44,427 --> 01:39:47,987
Speaker 7: no qualifications. In fact, my school see English exam. I

1933
01:39:48,067 --> 01:39:51,027
Speaker 7: wrote my name, put the pen down, and after half

1934
01:39:51,027 --> 01:39:53,147
Speaker 7: an hour were allowed to go. So I passed off

1935
01:39:53,227 --> 01:39:56,227
Speaker 7: to a rugby game that was more important for me

1936
01:39:56,307 --> 01:39:58,387
Speaker 7: at the time, and I didn't have any belief in myself.

1937
01:39:59,467 --> 01:40:04,027
Speaker 7: I am currently now doing a degree in philosophy and psychology,

1938
01:40:04,747 --> 01:40:07,587
Speaker 7: and I'm proud to say from a man who left

1939
01:40:07,627 --> 01:40:10,227
Speaker 7: school with no qualifications, I've been getting as in my

1940
01:40:10,307 --> 01:40:12,667
Speaker 7: philosophy papers, which is my passion.

1941
01:40:12,987 --> 01:40:15,867
Speaker 2: That's brilliant. You worked with Jack O'Gill. Yeah, do you

1942
01:40:15,907 --> 01:40:18,307
Speaker 2: reckon he'll be six at the Olympics. You reckon he'll

1943
01:40:18,307 --> 01:40:19,707
Speaker 2: be happy, satisfied.

1944
01:40:19,747 --> 01:40:21,187
Speaker 15: But he won't be satisfied at all.

1945
01:40:21,307 --> 01:40:24,427
Speaker 7: No, I know, but he'll He's the sort of guy

1946
01:40:24,627 --> 01:40:28,627
Speaker 7: where he also knows about the long game. He knows

1947
01:40:28,667 --> 01:40:31,747
Speaker 7: there's a lot of work to be done. He's come

1948
01:40:31,827 --> 01:40:36,107
Speaker 7: a long way and he's got a massive Him and

1949
01:40:37,227 --> 01:40:40,867
Speaker 7: David Lessi I had. I had a little session with Dave.

1950
01:40:41,147 --> 01:40:43,267
Speaker 7: This is probably going back about five years and I

1951
01:40:43,347 --> 01:40:45,307
Speaker 7: said to him, if I think it was a Commonwealth games,

1952
01:40:45,307 --> 01:40:47,427
Speaker 7: I made a bet with him. I said, mate, if

1953
01:40:47,467 --> 01:40:50,707
Speaker 7: you if you, if you, if you win it, I'll

1954
01:40:50,747 --> 01:40:52,227
Speaker 7: buy you. I'll buy your lunch.

1955
01:40:52,787 --> 01:40:55,147
Speaker 2: That's expensive, so he mate, I tell you.

1956
01:40:55,547 --> 01:40:57,707
Speaker 15: So we go to the pub. We're having a pub.

1957
01:40:58,267 --> 01:41:01,547
Speaker 7: We have the entree, main and dessert, and the lady

1958
01:41:01,587 --> 01:41:03,507
Speaker 7: comes in and says there anything else, and he and

1959
01:41:03,667 --> 01:41:05,827
Speaker 7: Dave goes, yeah, I'll have the same again.

1960
01:41:05,947 --> 01:41:09,187
Speaker 8: Please far beg guy.

1961
01:41:10,387 --> 01:41:14,147
Speaker 2: Two entrees, two mates and two dessents cost me hundreds

1962
01:41:14,187 --> 01:41:18,107
Speaker 2: of dollars. David, Yomi, mate, h so good, so good.

1963
01:41:18,667 --> 01:41:20,827
Speaker 2: I feel like we could talk for hours. David neath

1964
01:41:20,867 --> 01:41:24,827
Speaker 2: thee The Winning Mindset, Successful Strategies for Sport, Business and Life.

1965
01:41:24,907 --> 01:41:27,707
Speaker 2: So I guess we'll be waiting for your philosophy book next. Yeah,

1966
01:41:27,747 --> 01:41:31,387
Speaker 2: that's the gay. That sounds great. Good suggestion, pe, I'll

1967
01:41:31,427 --> 01:41:34,267
Speaker 2: go with that. I'll pass it on to HarperCollins. Good

1968
01:41:34,267 --> 01:41:35,667
Speaker 2: to see you, mate, great to meet you. Thanks for

1969
01:41:35,707 --> 01:41:36,467
Speaker 2: popping in for a chat.

1970
01:41:36,907 --> 01:41:37,947
Speaker 7: Thank you so much mate.

1971
01:41:38,347 --> 01:41:40,107
Speaker 2: That is David neath the Yeah. Check the book out

1972
01:41:40,147 --> 01:41:43,267
Speaker 2: it as a cracker. The Winning Mindset, Successful Strategies for Sport,

1973
01:41:43,587 --> 01:41:47,307
Speaker 2: For Sport, Business and Life. Israel A Lasanya says these

1974
01:41:47,427 --> 01:41:51,267
Speaker 2: methods sharpened my focus. Lydia Coe, David helped me in

1975
01:41:51,387 --> 01:41:54,147
Speaker 2: my pursuit of World number one. Some pretty good endorsements.

1976
01:41:54,427 --> 01:41:56,267
Speaker 2: Two twenty six on news Talk set me back in

1977
01:41:56,347 --> 01:41:58,427
Speaker 2: a sect to preview this afternoon Sneppel.

1978
01:41:58,627 --> 01:42:00,707
Speaker 8: From Venros to Paris.

1979
01:42:02,147 --> 01:42:05,547
Speaker 1: You like to call on eighty eighty weekends for it

1980
01:42:05,707 --> 01:42:09,947
Speaker 1: with Jason and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home

1981
01:42:09,987 --> 01:42:12,227
Speaker 1: builder News Dogs'd be tremendous.

1982
01:42:12,267 --> 01:42:14,867
Speaker 2: What a great chat. What an energizing chat with David

1983
01:42:14,947 --> 01:42:16,827
Speaker 2: Neathy about his book and about life in general. You

1984
01:42:16,827 --> 01:42:18,587
Speaker 2: feel like you could earn a lot. I was sitting

1985
01:42:18,627 --> 01:42:20,147
Speaker 2: around just chewing the fat with him, and I was

1986
01:42:20,187 --> 01:42:25,707
Speaker 2: pleased too that he didn't really swear. He said, just

1987
01:42:25,827 --> 01:42:28,427
Speaker 2: before we went on the air, are we pre recorded

1988
01:42:28,467 --> 01:42:30,307
Speaker 2: all live? I said, we live, mates, So yeah, if

1989
01:42:30,347 --> 01:42:32,267
Speaker 2: you could just keep the swearing to a minimum, that'll

1990
01:42:32,307 --> 01:42:34,627
Speaker 2: be handy. Although I get the feeling you wouldn't have

1991
01:42:34,667 --> 01:42:37,067
Speaker 2: been offended anyway. It wouldn't have been gratuitous. It would

1992
01:42:37,067 --> 01:42:39,507
Speaker 2: have been to just make a point, and he made

1993
01:42:39,507 --> 01:42:41,867
Speaker 2: a lot of good points. Net Paul's a n Z

1994
01:42:42,027 --> 01:42:46,147
Speaker 2: Premiership Grand Final this afternoon four o'clock TSB Arena in

1995
01:42:46,467 --> 01:42:50,987
Speaker 2: Wellington Pulse against the Mystics. Poul Shooter Tiana maturo is

1996
01:42:50,987 --> 01:42:52,947
Speaker 2: with us head of this one. Before we talk about

1997
01:42:52,947 --> 01:42:55,627
Speaker 2: the game, Tiana, you missed the first what eight games

1998
01:42:55,667 --> 01:42:57,827
Speaker 2: of the season with a foot injury, and then you

1999
01:42:57,907 --> 01:43:00,107
Speaker 2: sort of eased your way back into the team. Now

2000
01:43:00,187 --> 01:43:02,427
Speaker 2: you fully fit, which is great. How frustrating a time, though,

2001
01:43:02,547 --> 01:43:04,707
Speaker 2: was it while you were trying to overcome the foot

2002
01:43:04,747 --> 01:43:06,267
Speaker 2: injury and you couldn't play when you had it?

2003
01:43:08,067 --> 01:43:12,187
Speaker 17: Yeah, I guess just having to do my own sessions

2004
01:43:12,267 --> 01:43:16,387
Speaker 17: on top of, you know, being there to contribute whatever

2005
01:43:16,427 --> 01:43:18,787
Speaker 17: it is that I could to the girls sessions was

2006
01:43:18,867 --> 01:43:21,627
Speaker 17: probably a little bit exhausting by the end of it,

2007
01:43:22,947 --> 01:43:25,547
Speaker 17: but still with like a common goal in mind, that

2008
01:43:25,747 --> 01:43:27,627
Speaker 17: was probably what kept me going. And just we have

2009
01:43:27,827 --> 01:43:31,387
Speaker 17: such a good environment. I always I kind of always said,

2010
01:43:31,387 --> 01:43:34,347
Speaker 17: I couldn't imagine being a better environment to be injured in.

2011
01:43:36,347 --> 01:43:38,827
Speaker 17: But it was frustrating, but you know, we're here now,

2012
01:43:39,507 --> 01:43:42,787
Speaker 17: so I think it's exactly where we meant to be

2013
01:43:42,907 --> 01:43:43,587
Speaker 17: and we deserve it.

2014
01:43:44,067 --> 01:43:49,027
Speaker 2: How good was it to get back on the court though, Yeah, Well, I.

2015
01:43:49,067 --> 01:43:50,747
Speaker 17: Was saying I was a bit average for like the

2016
01:43:50,867 --> 01:43:55,747
Speaker 17: first career four game, and I probably only really found

2017
01:43:55,787 --> 01:43:58,427
Speaker 17: my feet again the last game, which was against the Tactics.

2018
01:43:58,547 --> 01:44:01,427
Speaker 17: But I'm not very kind to myself, so maybe I

2019
01:44:01,507 --> 01:44:03,187
Speaker 17: did all right for the first few games. But I'm

2020
01:44:03,267 --> 01:44:05,947
Speaker 17: just happy that I think I've found my feet again

2021
01:44:06,027 --> 01:44:11,107
Speaker 17: and I'm sort of back to that sassy, aggressive hungry

2022
01:44:12,387 --> 01:44:14,867
Speaker 17: goal attack that I was at the start before I

2023
01:44:14,947 --> 01:44:18,267
Speaker 17: got injured. So yeah, it's good to be back and

2024
01:44:18,907 --> 01:44:19,627
Speaker 17: injury free.

2025
01:44:20,347 --> 01:44:20,587
Speaker 11: Touch.

2026
01:44:20,627 --> 01:44:22,907
Speaker 2: Would you are really hard on yourself? Man, you are

2027
01:44:23,067 --> 01:44:25,507
Speaker 2: so hard on yourself you need Yeah, I think that

2028
01:44:25,667 --> 01:44:27,147
Speaker 2: was there straight away. You might not have felt that

2029
01:44:27,227 --> 01:44:29,227
Speaker 2: it was, but it looked like and from the outside

2030
01:44:29,267 --> 01:44:30,587
Speaker 2: you weren't the only one, of course, has been on

2031
01:44:30,587 --> 01:44:32,427
Speaker 2: the side of as Maddy Gordon's been out others at

2032
01:44:32,507 --> 01:44:35,947
Speaker 2: various times, including Amelia Warmsley down the shooting end. How

2033
01:44:35,987 --> 01:44:37,707
Speaker 2: impressed have you been with the players who have been

2034
01:44:37,747 --> 01:44:39,667
Speaker 2: asked to step up and have stepped up.

2035
01:44:41,067 --> 01:44:43,347
Speaker 17: Yeah, No, they've been amazing.

2036
01:44:43,587 --> 01:44:45,267
Speaker 13: And I think.

2037
01:44:46,747 --> 01:44:50,707
Speaker 17: Any other team would have just fallen over and would

2038
01:44:50,747 --> 01:44:52,147
Speaker 17: not have been able to come back from it, and

2039
01:44:52,227 --> 01:44:54,787
Speaker 17: probably would have just given up on the end goal

2040
01:44:54,907 --> 01:44:58,307
Speaker 17: and would have just said, like, let's just try our

2041
01:44:58,387 --> 01:45:02,827
Speaker 17: best and hope it all works out. But our intentions

2042
01:45:02,907 --> 01:45:05,067
Speaker 17: are still the same and everything stayed the same, and

2043
01:45:06,107 --> 01:45:08,107
Speaker 17: if everyone who took the court just did their jobs

2044
01:45:08,147 --> 01:45:12,547
Speaker 17: and did them so well that we've almost come back.

2045
01:45:12,587 --> 01:45:15,107
Speaker 17: And they've been big shoes to fill as the ones

2046
01:45:15,107 --> 01:45:17,067
Speaker 17: who have returned and the ones who were injured, so

2047
01:45:17,787 --> 01:45:22,347
Speaker 17: it's really impressive, and I think it's just great that

2048
01:45:22,427 --> 01:45:26,987
Speaker 17: we can also reward them for their efforts. And without them,

2049
01:45:27,027 --> 01:45:29,067
Speaker 17: we wouldn't be here, we wouldn't be in the Grand Final,

2050
01:45:29,107 --> 01:45:33,387
Speaker 17: and they managed to get us through consecutive matches, and

2051
01:45:34,347 --> 01:45:37,547
Speaker 17: it's just we're really grateful for them. They've done so well.

2052
01:45:38,067 --> 01:45:40,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, one or two years ago, lost a heartbreaker in

2053
01:45:40,787 --> 01:45:44,507
Speaker 2: the elimination final last year. How much motivation sorry to

2054
01:45:44,587 --> 01:45:47,387
Speaker 2: bring that up. How much motivation has that provided you

2055
01:45:47,947 --> 01:45:50,467
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four to get back to the Grand Final?

2056
01:45:50,507 --> 01:45:51,067
Speaker 2: What you have done?

2057
01:45:52,907 --> 01:45:55,067
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think we're a completely different team to what

2058
01:45:55,147 --> 01:45:57,467
Speaker 17: we were last year, obviously with new additions and people

2059
01:45:57,587 --> 01:46:01,907
Speaker 17: coming from all different corners of the earth to make

2060
01:46:02,027 --> 01:46:06,107
Speaker 17: up our incredible team. But we I think we're just hungrier.

2061
01:46:06,907 --> 01:46:10,787
Speaker 17: I think we don't have any excuses that don't We

2062
01:46:10,907 --> 01:46:13,027
Speaker 17: are that sort of team that don't make us excuses

2063
01:46:13,107 --> 01:46:16,747
Speaker 17: for anything. I think we're a lot more mature. I

2064
01:46:16,827 --> 01:46:19,307
Speaker 17: think Amelia had only played that was your first season

2065
01:46:19,427 --> 01:46:23,427
Speaker 17: last year. Paris Mason's flourishing this year and I think

2066
01:46:23,427 --> 01:46:25,387
Speaker 17: we've got a lot of experience and we've got Claire

2067
01:46:25,427 --> 01:46:29,107
Speaker 17: Kurston back as well, so it is a bit of

2068
01:46:29,147 --> 01:46:31,907
Speaker 17: a different look, and the circumstances and things that have

2069
01:46:31,947 --> 01:46:34,027
Speaker 17: happened this year haven't been idea of that we've managed

2070
01:46:34,067 --> 01:46:38,827
Speaker 17: to overcome them, and so it's just there's a different

2071
01:46:38,947 --> 01:46:41,547
Speaker 17: feal for this weekend. And we're back at TSB, which

2072
01:46:41,627 --> 01:46:45,467
Speaker 17: is our favorite arena, and it's the atmosphere there is

2073
01:46:45,507 --> 01:46:48,867
Speaker 17: always really electric. So we're really looking forward to it

2074
01:46:48,947 --> 01:46:52,547
Speaker 17: and it'll be a really good challenge. So yeah, you're excited.

2075
01:46:52,747 --> 01:46:54,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think tickets sold out. Did I

2076
01:46:54,427 --> 01:46:56,707
Speaker 2: read tickets sold out in two minutes or something stupid?

2077
01:46:56,747 --> 01:46:57,787
Speaker 2: That's incredible, isn't it.

2078
01:46:58,027 --> 01:46:58,227
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2079
01:46:58,627 --> 01:47:01,507
Speaker 17: I tried to get tickets to my own friends, my

2080
01:47:01,587 --> 01:47:04,347
Speaker 17: own friends and in the pre sale and they were gone.

2081
01:47:04,707 --> 01:47:09,107
Speaker 17: So yeah, I mean I was saying to some of

2082
01:47:09,187 --> 01:47:11,467
Speaker 17: the girls that this is the year that I think

2083
01:47:11,507 --> 01:47:14,707
Speaker 17: people have actually what the most that it's happened, where

2084
01:47:14,707 --> 01:47:17,587
Speaker 17: people have stopped us on the street and have spoken

2085
01:47:17,667 --> 01:47:19,987
Speaker 17: to us about how incredible our matches have been and

2086
01:47:20,067 --> 01:47:22,747
Speaker 17: how much they love watching us. And even today I

2087
01:47:22,787 --> 01:47:26,587
Speaker 17: think three people just strangers on the street pushing us

2088
01:47:26,947 --> 01:47:29,627
Speaker 17: good luck for the weekend. So it's really cool to

2089
01:47:29,667 --> 01:47:34,387
Speaker 17: see that we're producing a product I suppose and playing

2090
01:47:34,427 --> 01:47:37,187
Speaker 17: a brand of netball that people like to watch.

2091
01:47:38,027 --> 01:47:39,947
Speaker 2: That's so cool. Now, I know it's not your area

2092
01:47:40,027 --> 01:47:42,587
Speaker 2: of the court, but how do you stop Grace and Wiki?

2093
01:47:45,187 --> 01:47:50,107
Speaker 17: Yeah it's funny. Excess one of my good friends.

2094
01:47:50,747 --> 01:47:51,067
Speaker 15: I know this.

2095
01:47:51,947 --> 01:47:56,267
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love her. But we it's a

2096
01:47:56,427 --> 01:47:59,707
Speaker 17: full team defensive effort. I think if we have that

2097
01:47:59,867 --> 01:48:04,907
Speaker 17: same mindset and approach as we did when we played

2098
01:48:05,107 --> 01:48:08,907
Speaker 17: the tactics, it's going to be a really we will

2099
01:48:08,947 --> 01:48:10,707
Speaker 17: be able to make it really difficult for them. So

2100
01:48:11,227 --> 01:48:15,027
Speaker 17: that's everyone that's Whitney and I or whoever's in goal, attacking, winger, tack.

2101
01:48:15,107 --> 01:48:18,707
Speaker 17: It's those two positions helping to apply pressure and just

2102
01:48:19,427 --> 01:48:23,827
Speaker 17: being pests, I suppose, because it's a really tough gig

2103
01:48:24,467 --> 01:48:27,667
Speaker 17: down that tecking end. Well, our defensive ends, I should say.

2104
01:48:27,707 --> 01:48:30,707
Speaker 17: And so yeah, we've we've got our work cut.

2105
01:48:30,587 --> 01:48:30,987
Speaker 2: Out for us.

2106
01:48:31,107 --> 01:48:34,907
Speaker 17: But I think we we're as ready as will ever

2107
01:48:35,027 --> 01:48:39,067
Speaker 17: be and we've worked hard for eight months. So it's

2108
01:48:39,147 --> 01:48:41,187
Speaker 17: just another game of netball, good.

2109
01:48:41,027 --> 01:48:43,907
Speaker 2: Stuff, and just on the on the home court thing

2110
01:48:43,987 --> 01:48:46,907
Speaker 2: to finish. How big an advantage do you perceive home

2111
01:48:46,947 --> 01:48:52,347
Speaker 2: advantage to be in a really big game like this, Well, I.

2112
01:48:52,427 --> 01:48:57,227
Speaker 17: Feel like TSB is a really it's a special place,

2113
01:48:57,427 --> 01:49:00,747
Speaker 17: and I think only so many people have experienced what

2114
01:49:00,867 --> 01:49:03,747
Speaker 17: it's like playing in an elimination final a grand final there,

2115
01:49:04,507 --> 01:49:07,107
Speaker 17: and you really can't explain it. The words that come

2116
01:49:07,147 --> 01:49:10,827
Speaker 17: to mind are just electric and it's very loud, and

2117
01:49:11,987 --> 01:49:14,267
Speaker 17: they're almost like an eighth player, and it's such a

2118
01:49:16,427 --> 01:49:19,227
Speaker 17: it's a huge advantage, Like you feel so confident playing

2119
01:49:19,227 --> 01:49:22,147
Speaker 17: in front of your fans because regardless of what happens

2120
01:49:22,227 --> 01:49:26,467
Speaker 17: or what you do, they admire you. They love watching you,

2121
01:49:26,547 --> 01:49:28,467
Speaker 17: they love what you do on court and how you

2122
01:49:28,707 --> 01:49:31,067
Speaker 17: contribute to the team, and it's just that's I think

2123
01:49:31,147 --> 01:49:33,187
Speaker 17: they've been a real key part to our success. So

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01:49:33,347 --> 01:49:35,987
Speaker 17: farthest sings, and so we're really excited to just be

2125
01:49:36,107 --> 01:49:39,747
Speaker 17: back in front of them and hopefully produce the best

2126
01:49:39,747 --> 01:49:40,827
Speaker 17: set well we've played all year.

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01:49:41,347 --> 01:49:42,987
Speaker 2: Does your mum still give you plenty of advice?

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01:49:46,387 --> 01:49:50,547
Speaker 17: Oh gosh, often, I think, I think often at times

2129
01:49:50,587 --> 01:49:52,707
Speaker 17: I try to steer away from it, just because I

2130
01:49:52,787 --> 01:49:56,587
Speaker 17: think I sometimes probably lock into her opinions too much,

2131
01:49:56,667 --> 01:50:01,707
Speaker 17: and whether they're good, sometimes they complained opposite. And so

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01:50:02,627 --> 01:50:07,107
Speaker 17: that we have been hanging out a lot couple of

2133
01:50:07,227 --> 01:50:09,187
Speaker 17: days which has actually been nice. I don't live at

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01:50:09,227 --> 01:50:14,827
Speaker 17: home anymore, so it's been quite refreshing to just have

2135
01:50:14,987 --> 01:50:18,267
Speaker 17: her there rebounding for me or feeding me when I've

2136
01:50:18,307 --> 01:50:22,307
Speaker 17: gone to do shooting sessions. So yeah, I do try

2137
01:50:22,467 --> 01:50:25,587
Speaker 17: to kick my distance, purely for the fact that I'll

2138
01:50:25,587 --> 01:50:28,627
Speaker 17: probably accuse her of picking on me, when really that's

2139
01:50:28,667 --> 01:50:29,347
Speaker 17: not the case at all.

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Speaker 2: Oh No, you got to lean into this stuff. You

2141
01:50:32,067 --> 01:50:35,707
Speaker 2: have to lean into it. Hey Towa, greater chat as always,

2142
01:50:35,787 --> 01:50:38,667
Speaker 2: all the best in the Grand Final. Really appreciate your time. Cool,

2143
01:50:38,787 --> 01:50:41,467
Speaker 2: thanks many thanks downa Tiana Maturo. They're out of the

2144
01:50:41,787 --> 01:50:44,427
Speaker 2: Central Pulse, I forget. You can hear a full commentary

2145
01:50:44,467 --> 01:50:46,907
Speaker 2: of this game from four o'clock this afternoon on Gold

2146
01:50:46,947 --> 01:50:50,747
Speaker 2: Sport and iHeartRadio. Malcolm Jordan, who I don't think has

2147
01:50:50,787 --> 01:50:53,667
Speaker 2: been to sleep for about a week with that one,

2148
01:50:53,747 --> 01:50:55,987
Speaker 2: come across in his commentaries though, it'll be the same

2149
01:50:56,227 --> 01:51:01,027
Speaker 2: consummate professional as always, bringing the enthusiasm and the excitement

2150
01:51:01,107 --> 01:51:04,067
Speaker 2: of his netball commentaries to Gold Sport. Yvonne Willard, former

2151
01:51:04,107 --> 01:51:06,867
Speaker 2: self affirms coach alongside for the Grand Final in the

2152
01:51:06,907 --> 01:51:09,907
Speaker 2: ain Z Premiership are the Central Pulse against the Northern mystics.

2153
01:51:10,147 --> 01:51:12,707
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Mystics, we'll get inside their camp shortly.

2154
01:51:12,827 --> 01:51:17,987
Speaker 2: Mikayla Sokolch beats in their wing defense. Also Silver Ferns representative.

2155
01:51:18,227 --> 01:51:19,427
Speaker 2: She'll pop in for a chat after this.

2156
01:51:20,307 --> 01:51:24,387
Speaker 1: The Tough Questions after Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Paine

2157
01:51:24,467 --> 01:51:28,627
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks.

2158
01:51:32,027 --> 01:51:33,747
Speaker 2: Just a reminder. Sorry, I wasn't sure if my mike

2159
01:51:33,907 --> 01:51:35,987
Speaker 2: was on or not. I'm starting to lose it. My

2160
01:51:36,067 --> 01:51:39,587
Speaker 2: mic was on. Just a reminder that next weekend Rugby

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01:51:39,667 --> 01:51:44,507
Speaker 2: Championship begins All Blacks Argentina Sky Stadium, Wellington, Saturday night

2162
01:51:45,027 --> 01:51:47,627
Speaker 2: from just after seven o'clock. Our build up starts at six.

2163
01:51:47,707 --> 01:51:51,067
Speaker 2: Elliott Smith, our lead commentator and rugby editor, has the

2164
01:51:51,187 --> 01:51:53,947
Speaker 2: call for you the following Saturday night back to Auckland

2165
01:51:54,307 --> 01:51:56,547
Speaker 2: and Eden Park. So back to back test matches live

2166
01:51:56,587 --> 01:51:59,707
Speaker 2: here on news Talks dB the next two Saturdays, Wellington

2167
01:51:59,787 --> 01:52:04,467
Speaker 2: next Saturday and Auckland the Saturday after. Let's get back

2168
01:52:04,467 --> 01:52:06,587
Speaker 2: to the netball. The a Z Premiership Grand Final four

2169
01:52:06,587 --> 01:52:09,307
Speaker 2: o'clock today, putting the Central Pulse, who finished top of

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01:52:09,307 --> 01:52:12,427
Speaker 2: the table, against the Northern Mystics who came through the

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01:52:12,547 --> 01:52:16,227
Speaker 2: elimination final against the Tactics last week to take their

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01:52:16,267 --> 01:52:21,107
Speaker 2: place in the final. Mystics wing defense. Mikayla sokolch beats

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01:52:21,147 --> 01:52:23,707
Speaker 2: and is with us now. Mikayla, you're defending champions. Of

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01:52:23,747 --> 01:52:26,507
Speaker 2: course you won it last year. How motivated are you

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01:52:26,627 --> 01:52:27,627
Speaker 2: to go back to back?

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01:52:28,507 --> 01:52:31,347
Speaker 14: Yeah, we're super motivated to go back to back. Just

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01:52:31,427 --> 01:52:33,867
Speaker 14: to win the final with the unreal whether it was

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01:52:33,947 --> 01:52:36,827
Speaker 14: back to back or not winning as such an awesome achievement,

2179
01:52:36,907 --> 01:52:39,547
Speaker 14: but to do it twice Cinera was definitely something our So.

2180
01:52:39,587 --> 01:52:42,347
Speaker 2: How much confidence do you take into this final from

2181
01:52:42,387 --> 01:52:45,067
Speaker 2: your win over the Tactics away from home in the

2182
01:52:45,107 --> 01:52:46,627
Speaker 2: elimination final last weekend.

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01:52:47,027 --> 01:52:49,067
Speaker 14: Yeah, we took heaps of confidence from that, but we've

2184
01:52:49,107 --> 01:52:52,867
Speaker 14: actually taken confidence over kind of the last six seven

2185
01:52:52,947 --> 01:52:56,067
Speaker 14: weeks because we've kind of been grinding and building in

2186
01:52:56,187 --> 01:52:58,947
Speaker 14: Every game for us has been must have. So yeah,

2187
01:52:58,947 --> 01:53:02,307
Speaker 14: it's been an awesome I guess lead into the finals

2188
01:53:02,347 --> 01:53:02,627
Speaker 14: for us.

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01:53:02,787 --> 01:53:02,987
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:53:02,987 --> 01:53:04,307
Speaker 2: Well, just on that, I mean, you did take the

2191
01:53:04,347 --> 01:53:06,987
Speaker 2: hard road, having to go through the elimination, as I say,

2192
01:53:07,067 --> 01:53:10,267
Speaker 2: away from home, playing that extra game. Does that bring

2193
01:53:10,627 --> 01:53:14,307
Speaker 2: fatigue into the equation or conversely, do you feel like

2194
01:53:14,387 --> 01:53:16,667
Speaker 2: it might give you the advantage of a bit of momentum.

2195
01:53:17,227 --> 01:53:21,027
Speaker 14: Yeah, I guess for me, I've now been in both scenarios.

2196
01:53:21,107 --> 01:53:24,147
Speaker 14: We're bonded straight through and played the Grand Final and

2197
01:53:24,267 --> 01:53:26,987
Speaker 14: where we've done this, and honestly, there's not much different

2198
01:53:27,067 --> 01:53:29,627
Speaker 14: than the two because when we went straight into the final,

2199
01:53:29,667 --> 01:53:33,227
Speaker 14: we actually had we simulated a game day in a ways,

2200
01:53:33,347 --> 01:53:35,787
Speaker 14: just so we could keep the legs sticking over. I

2201
01:53:35,947 --> 01:53:38,507
Speaker 14: think as well, playing a game means you're in that

2202
01:53:38,667 --> 01:53:41,587
Speaker 14: you don't lose focus, you stay very much in routine.

2203
01:53:42,227 --> 01:53:44,107
Speaker 14: I think both have pros and cons.

2204
01:53:44,427 --> 01:53:47,587
Speaker 2: But no fatigue. There's no no question of fatigue in

2205
01:53:47,587 --> 01:53:48,307
Speaker 2: the Mystics camp.

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01:53:49,267 --> 01:53:51,387
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, the way that we ran it last year

2207
01:53:51,507 --> 01:53:54,467
Speaker 14: is we didn't rest anymore than we will not if

2208
01:53:54,547 --> 01:53:56,947
Speaker 14: we played the elimination final. Yeah, we've played the game,

2209
01:53:57,547 --> 01:53:59,827
Speaker 14: so yeah, hard to say. I don't know what the

2210
01:53:59,907 --> 01:54:02,627
Speaker 14: Post have done with their prep, but yeah, I don't

2211
01:54:02,627 --> 01:54:04,107
Speaker 14: think fatigue will be a fact down.

2212
01:54:04,107 --> 01:54:05,947
Speaker 2: All right, Good to hear how much of a boost

2213
01:54:05,987 --> 01:54:09,027
Speaker 2: Michael has it been getting Grace and Wiki back in

2214
01:54:09,107 --> 01:54:09,867
Speaker 2: the last month or so.

2215
01:54:10,787 --> 01:54:12,867
Speaker 14: It's just nice to have a full team like when

2216
01:54:12,947 --> 01:54:15,547
Speaker 14: we look around the training now, it's like everyone and

2217
01:54:15,907 --> 01:54:18,147
Speaker 14: that's such a nice feeling when most of the season

2218
01:54:18,187 --> 01:54:21,467
Speaker 14: that hasn't been the case. So to have everyone in

2219
01:54:21,747 --> 01:54:25,507
Speaker 14: participating and really involved and engaged, there's also s nice

2220
01:54:25,627 --> 01:54:26,787
Speaker 14: team morale and culture.

2221
01:54:27,587 --> 01:54:30,307
Speaker 2: With Grace. It feels as though she's such a weapon, right,

2222
01:54:30,387 --> 01:54:33,227
Speaker 2: such a weapon under that under that hoope, do you

2223
01:54:33,307 --> 01:54:36,027
Speaker 2: have to in any way avoid the temptation of just

2224
01:54:36,147 --> 01:54:39,467
Speaker 2: solely relying on her to win your games of nipple?

2225
01:54:40,507 --> 01:54:41,747
Speaker 13: Yeah, good question.

2226
01:54:42,107 --> 01:54:45,867
Speaker 14: And she's a huge, strong target at the back. She

2227
01:54:47,107 --> 01:54:49,347
Speaker 14: in the Grand Final last year put up seventy goals.

2228
01:54:49,747 --> 01:54:52,147
Speaker 14: We know that she's a sixty goal a game shooter.

2229
01:54:52,307 --> 01:54:55,747
Speaker 14: Like that's incredible. Step I'm obviously we're going to look

2230
01:54:55,787 --> 01:54:57,907
Speaker 14: into her and if it's working and she's on, we're

2231
01:54:57,907 --> 01:55:00,787
Speaker 14: going to let the school go. So to be honest,

2232
01:55:01,387 --> 01:55:03,267
Speaker 14: we just play what's in front of us. So she's

2233
01:55:03,307 --> 01:55:04,947
Speaker 14: on the court, we're going to play like we know

2234
01:55:05,067 --> 01:55:06,507
Speaker 14: we need to play with her. She's not on the

2235
01:55:06,547 --> 01:55:09,267
Speaker 14: court sweep nets, perthm LL rolling or play with them

2236
01:55:09,307 --> 01:55:12,147
Speaker 14: what we see so nothing's not really changes, it's just

2237
01:55:12,227 --> 01:55:13,467
Speaker 14: the personnel changes.

2238
01:55:14,067 --> 01:55:16,867
Speaker 2: So the pulse you beat them by ten goals, not

2239
01:55:16,947 --> 01:55:20,107
Speaker 2: long ago, just three weeks ago. Does that mentally psychologically

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01:55:20,187 --> 01:55:21,907
Speaker 2: give you any sort of advantage?

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01:55:22,547 --> 01:55:27,347
Speaker 14: Absolutely not. No, final netwill is so different to just

2242
01:55:27,507 --> 01:55:29,627
Speaker 14: normal round rolling games, and there is no way that

2243
01:55:29,707 --> 01:55:32,467
Speaker 14: they're going to let us put that many points on there.

2244
01:55:33,227 --> 01:55:35,787
Speaker 14: I just know that they're not. That's going to be

2245
01:55:35,867 --> 01:55:38,667
Speaker 14: such a fight to the end, and we're definitely not

2246
01:55:38,787 --> 01:55:41,067
Speaker 14: going into this game lately. We know that they're an

2247
01:55:41,107 --> 01:55:44,427
Speaker 14: incredible team with a whole stacked bench that they can

2248
01:55:44,507 --> 01:55:45,907
Speaker 14: roll onto the court at any time.

2249
01:55:46,427 --> 01:55:48,827
Speaker 2: And when you're preparing for this match, or any match,

2250
01:55:48,907 --> 01:55:51,147
Speaker 2: but in particular a massive match like this, how much

2251
01:55:51,227 --> 01:55:54,427
Speaker 2: do you focus on your individual matchups? You look across

2252
01:55:54,467 --> 01:55:58,987
Speaker 2: the court and prepare for who will be directly opposite

2253
01:55:59,027 --> 01:55:59,827
Speaker 2: you in the pulse side.

2254
01:56:00,867 --> 01:56:03,987
Speaker 14: I did both. I do my own individual analysis on

2255
01:56:04,067 --> 01:56:06,627
Speaker 14: the people that I'll editing now because I need to

2256
01:56:06,747 --> 01:56:08,827
Speaker 14: know where their strengths are and how I can try

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01:56:08,867 --> 01:56:10,627
Speaker 14: and combat that. I need to know the lights that

2258
01:56:10,747 --> 01:56:13,747
Speaker 14: they run. And then also was the team we look

2259
01:56:13,787 --> 01:56:15,587
Speaker 14: at better factures, so how do they work as a

2260
01:56:15,787 --> 01:56:19,347
Speaker 14: unit versus the individual? So for me, it's a fifty

2261
01:56:19,347 --> 01:56:20,107
Speaker 14: to fifty split.

2262
01:56:20,467 --> 01:56:23,107
Speaker 2: And when you look at their shooting circle, their weapons,

2263
01:56:23,147 --> 01:56:25,827
Speaker 2: and media warm slid to on a matulo as a

2264
01:56:25,947 --> 01:56:28,907
Speaker 2: wing defense is is it a challenging task to prevent

2265
01:56:29,027 --> 01:56:31,427
Speaker 2: the ball getting into the shooting circle to those.

2266
01:56:31,307 --> 01:56:34,707
Speaker 14: Two definitely and one of the best feeders in the country.

2267
01:56:35,107 --> 01:56:38,427
Speaker 14: She is very quick she looks, which is also may

2268
01:56:38,467 --> 01:56:40,787
Speaker 14: want your feeder to be looking in so you're trying

2269
01:56:40,827 --> 01:56:43,707
Speaker 14: to break down those connections will be huge, And we

2270
01:56:44,067 --> 01:56:46,227
Speaker 14: also are realistic. We know we can't do that for

2271
01:56:46,307 --> 01:56:47,947
Speaker 14: sixty minutes. We know that they're going to get all

2272
01:56:48,067 --> 01:56:51,507
Speaker 14: past us and through us, and that's just the game. However,

2273
01:56:51,707 --> 01:56:54,867
Speaker 14: we can try and shut down how quick that they are.

2274
01:56:54,987 --> 01:56:57,267
Speaker 14: That'll be key for us because, like I said, winning

2275
01:56:57,387 --> 01:56:58,067
Speaker 14: is very far.

2276
01:56:58,627 --> 01:57:01,907
Speaker 2: And beyond this, Mikayla, the Silver Ferns have a big

2277
01:57:01,987 --> 01:57:04,587
Speaker 2: program coming up in October, the Tiny Jamison Trophy, the

2278
01:57:04,667 --> 01:57:07,627
Speaker 2: Constellation Cup. Have you started thinking about the Silver Ferns

2279
01:57:07,627 --> 01:57:11,187
Speaker 2: and your your hopeful involvement and participation in those tests.

2280
01:57:11,787 --> 01:57:15,667
Speaker 14: Not for me, I think because I'm not I'm not

2281
01:57:15,787 --> 01:57:18,027
Speaker 14: like a core member of the Silver Fans. If I

2282
01:57:18,147 --> 01:57:21,227
Speaker 14: have been in consistently and I was someone that you know,

2283
01:57:21,507 --> 01:57:24,827
Speaker 14: been selected offten, maybe, But because I'm kind of outer

2284
01:57:24,987 --> 01:57:28,667
Speaker 14: on this springe for me, no like even to get

2285
01:57:28,707 --> 01:57:30,827
Speaker 14: a trial well the team would be nice, but I'm

2286
01:57:30,867 --> 01:57:32,467
Speaker 14: definitely not thinking about that yet.

2287
01:57:32,587 --> 01:57:34,667
Speaker 2: All right, Well that all lies ahead. Your main point

2288
01:57:34,707 --> 01:57:37,587
Speaker 2: of business right now is this afternoon's an Ze Premiership

2289
01:57:37,627 --> 01:57:40,587
Speaker 2: Grand Final. All the best against the Pulse, Mikayla, and

2290
01:57:40,667 --> 01:57:41,907
Speaker 2: thanks for taking the time for a chat.

2291
01:57:42,267 --> 01:57:43,747
Speaker 14: Thank you very much, appreciate it.

2292
01:57:43,827 --> 01:57:46,107
Speaker 2: Now I appreciate you joining us, Mikayla. Thanks indeed, Mikaela

2293
01:57:46,147 --> 01:57:48,667
Speaker 2: Socolege beats in there from the Mystics before that Tiana

2294
01:57:48,747 --> 01:57:52,667
Speaker 2: Matido from the Pulse. Pulse playing paying one seventy the

2295
01:57:52,707 --> 01:57:54,907
Speaker 2: Mystic's two ten to win that game this afternoon. That

2296
01:57:54,947 --> 01:57:57,027
Speaker 2: gives you an idea of the favoritism that feels about

2297
01:57:57,107 --> 01:58:00,507
Speaker 2: right home advantage, Although the Grace Waki factor, I think

2298
01:58:00,627 --> 01:58:04,147
Speaker 2: is a massive factor. And look, if she can be

2299
01:58:04,267 --> 01:58:06,307
Speaker 2: contained by the Pulse, then they've got to give them

2300
01:58:06,347 --> 01:58:08,627
Speaker 2: Shelves the upper hand. If, on the other hand, the

2301
01:58:08,707 --> 01:58:11,427
Speaker 2: Mystics can use her to the best of her ability,

2302
01:58:11,507 --> 01:58:13,307
Speaker 2: then it's going to be very very difficult for the

2303
01:58:13,347 --> 01:58:17,147
Speaker 2: Polse to contain her. Yeah, fascinating battle coming up TSB

2304
01:58:17,227 --> 01:58:20,227
Speaker 2: Arena this afternoon. Completely sold out for commentary, as I

2305
01:58:20,267 --> 01:58:24,667
Speaker 2: say on gold Sport and on iHeartRadio, Leon on email Piney.

2306
01:58:24,707 --> 01:58:26,547
Speaker 2: For what it's worth, here's my top ten All Blacks

2307
01:58:26,547 --> 01:58:30,587
Speaker 2: of all time ten Bruce Robertson nine, Ian Kirkpatrick eight,

2308
01:58:30,787 --> 01:58:35,147
Speaker 2: Sam Whitelocke seven, Aaron Smith six, Michael Jones five, Brian

2309
01:58:35,227 --> 01:58:39,827
Speaker 2: Lahore four, Jonah Lomu three, Colin Meats too, Dan Carter won,

2310
01:58:40,067 --> 01:58:42,387
Speaker 2: Richie mccaugh. The reason, says Leon, I put Richie at

2311
01:58:42,467 --> 01:58:44,787
Speaker 2: number one is because as an All Black he played

2312
01:58:44,827 --> 01:58:48,027
Speaker 2: in one hundred and forty eight tests, only losing seventeen

2313
01:58:48,667 --> 01:58:50,787
Speaker 2: and winning the other one hundred and thirty one and

2314
01:58:50,907 --> 01:58:54,307
Speaker 2: unmatched percentage of ninety percent success rate. No one even

2315
01:58:54,347 --> 01:58:56,707
Speaker 2: comes close to that. The reason I rate him as

2316
01:58:56,787 --> 01:59:00,187
Speaker 2: not just our greatest All Black, but the goat rugby player.

2317
01:59:00,867 --> 01:59:02,987
Speaker 2: Thanks Leon, I think a lot of people would probably

2318
01:59:03,067 --> 01:59:06,907
Speaker 2: agree with you. Looking ahead to the Olympic action you

2319
01:59:07,027 --> 01:59:10,707
Speaker 2: can hear on gold Sport tonight. It's a quieter day,

2320
01:59:10,787 --> 01:59:14,507
Speaker 2: I guess you'd say for the Kiwis. Ryan Fox Daniel

2321
01:59:14,547 --> 01:59:16,667
Speaker 2: Hillier play the fourth round of the golf Daniel Hillier

2322
01:59:16,747 --> 01:59:20,067
Speaker 2: Underway seven twenty two tonight. Ryan Fox just after five

2323
01:59:20,187 --> 01:59:23,947
Speaker 2: past nine. Chloe Tipple is in skeet shooting qualifying. Lauren

2324
01:59:23,987 --> 01:59:26,507
Speaker 2: Bruce at the Track and Field our best hammer thrower.

2325
01:59:26,907 --> 01:59:30,107
Speaker 2: She's in qualifying action tonight from around eight twenty. Our

2326
01:59:30,187 --> 01:59:32,987
Speaker 2: sailors are out and about off the coast of Marseille.

2327
01:59:33,147 --> 01:59:38,147
Speaker 2: Erica Dawson and Micah Wilkinson in the Nakra, Thomas Saunders

2328
01:59:38,307 --> 01:59:42,587
Speaker 2: and Greta Pilkington in the dinghy and the new class

2329
01:59:42,667 --> 01:59:46,107
Speaker 2: to the Olympics. It makes its debut this evening. Kite surfing,

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Speaker 2: Lucas Walton, Keem and Justina Kitchen are our representatives. They

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Speaker 2: have the cycling road race underway at midday sorry midnight

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Speaker 2: our time midnight. Kim Kadzo and Nive Fisher Black are

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Speaker 2: our representatives. Finn Butcher and Luca Jones also in action

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Speaker 2: in the kayak cross for both men and women. This

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Speaker 2: is This is the kayak event where in the whitewater

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Speaker 2: rapids you get four kayakers get dumped into the water

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Speaker 2: together at the top and it's just the fastest to

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Speaker 2: the bottom. You've got to go through the gates down

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Speaker 2: and up, but you can actually make contact with the others.

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Speaker 2: There's rules, but it's like Demolition Derby on Whitewater kayak

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Speaker 2: Cross and both Van Butcher and Luca Jones are pretty

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Speaker 2: good at it, so they're in action in that sport

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Speaker 2: that event as well. You can listen to it all

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Speaker 2: on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio from seven o'clock tonight right

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Speaker 2: through the night until nine o'clock tomorrow morning. Nine Away

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Speaker 2: from Three News Talks.

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Speaker 1: By breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason yin News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: What are we six away from three? That's pretty much

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Speaker 2: us for weekend sport for today. Tim Beverage is all

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Speaker 2: set to go for the Weekend Collective after three o'clock

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Speaker 2: through until six, taking you through the next segment of

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Speaker 2: your Sunday. I hope you've enjoyed the show. We've certainly

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Speaker 2: been well loving bringing it to you. Some great guests today,

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Speaker 2: including David Neathy, who's just absolute breath of fresh air

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Speaker 2: and a tornado coming into the studio. Absolutely loved meeting

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Speaker 2: David Neathy this afternoon, and great to chet to Sam

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Speaker 2: Whitelock as well, and all of the other Olympic stuff

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Speaker 2: that we did too. We're back tomorrow night on Sports

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Speaker 2: talk between seven and eight. No doubt we'll be talking

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Speaker 2: some Olympics and other bits and pieces as well, and

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Speaker 2: back on Weekend Sport next weekend. Huge thanks to Andy

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Speaker 2: McDonald for pulling the show together. We've both been working

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Speaker 2: unusual hours over the last week, so the fact that

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Speaker 2: Andy hasn't done me grievous bodily harm has a great

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Speaker 2: credit to him. Thanks mate, mate.

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Speaker 25: But I actually think that most weeks for you towards

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Speaker 25: me so oh, I thought you meant the other way. No, no, no,

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Speaker 25: I wonder how other people deal with me at the

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Speaker 25: best of times, but now it's starting to get to

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Speaker 25: the thin end of the wedge, as they say. But no,

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Speaker 25: thank you, thank you for keeping me intact. Good stuff, mate,

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Speaker 25: Enjoy the rest of your afternoon. I hope you can

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Speaker 25: relax a little bit. Thank you for tuning in the

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Speaker 25: song to go out with us today.

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Speaker 2: I've been enjoying the Olympics coverage obviously, and some of

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Speaker 2: the famous landmarks that have featured, including the Eiffel Tower

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Speaker 2: of course, perhaps the most famous landmark well in Europe certainly,

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Speaker 2: and one of the most famous in the world. And

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Speaker 2: I thought about the James Bond film A View to

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Speaker 2: a Kill that features the Eiffel Tower fairly prominently. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I think James Bond in that movie actually has a

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Speaker 2: bit of a fight around the Eiffel Tower, like up

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Speaker 2: the Eiffel Tower and running sort of around it and stuff,

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Speaker 2: And Juran Duranne wrote the theme to it and it

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Speaker 2: was one of their biggest hits. A View to a

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Speaker 2: Kill taking us out today, Juran Duran, just think of

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Speaker 2: the Eiffel Tower. People where.

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Speaker 1: M hm sh For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine,

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Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks it be weekends from midday,

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Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio