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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for low rates and things getting done,

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Speaker 2: on the huddle with US. Craig Renis t U chief

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Speaker 2: Economist and Nick Leggett Infrastructure, New Zealand. Hello you too, Craig.

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Speaker 2: On the shooting is I can hear you on the

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Speaker 2: shooting of Charlie kirk Over in the US. I think

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Speaker 3: It definitely seems to be. You know, we've we've had

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Speaker 3: the shooting, the shooting of Donald Trump. There's been a

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Speaker 3: range of shootings of other congressmen and congress women. It's

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Speaker 3: a country with a Second Amendment and arguably far too

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Speaker 3: many firearms. You know, it does seem to be a

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Speaker 3: sort of a cost of doing business to be in

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Nichols? If what worries me is

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Speaker 2: if it catches on there and becomes established, it kind

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Speaker 2: of flows into the rest of the world and possibly

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Speaker 2: even here, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: I think that's what we have to be on guard about.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think kiwis value a liberal democracy when

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Speaker 4: we look at America, and you know, I do also

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Speaker 4: think that we've lived in an age of relative calm,

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Speaker 4: whereas political violence has actually often been the norm in

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty two hundred years. That's no excuse.

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Speaker 4: We have to tackle this head on. But actually, you

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Speaker 4: know I didn't. It. Was not a follower of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 4: I am not a fan of most of what he says,

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Speaker 4: but I do support him and people like his right

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Speaker 4: to say it and their opponents. And I think that

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Speaker 4: if we get to this point where people are taken

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Speaker 4: out by the use of violence for being controversial, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a fair point. All right, Craig

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Speaker 2: want to on Stuart Nation. I'm getting a lot of

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that'll be up to New Zealand First

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Speaker 3: I think what he said was was pretty out there.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't fit with anything I've ever heard the former

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Speaker 3: definit depart Minister Winston Peter's ever say. It's certainly not

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Speaker 3: I really do struggle with the idea that he would

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Nick.

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Speaker 4: Well? I mean, obviously his employer has spoken and this

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Speaker 4: There are people are saying, you know, more and more

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Speaker 4: on first, and I agree Winston would have no truck

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Speaker 4: with this kind of language. But it has to be

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Speaker 4: ten percent of the vote, you can actually afford for

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Speaker 4: you made to not think you say, you're speaking the

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Speaker 4: So I think that New Uettle First will make that

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Speaker 2: this is a fantastic point that Nick has made. Is

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Speaker 2: it's just a ten percent that have to and is

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Speaker 2: Will their voters be okay with it?

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Speaker 3: I think actually one of the reasons that they have

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Speaker 3: you know, the plurality of vaults in the Nepia. And

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Speaker 4: We don't know, we don't know how this is going

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Speaker 4: to play in different parts of the country. In my

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Speaker 2: So it was out the cress, wasn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Really so? But in a year's time, I mean

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Speaker 4: people do say outrageous things from time to time and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, I think they're an element part of

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Speaker 2: me wants to forgive them because it was just a

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the Huddle. We've got Nick Leggant

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Speaker 2: Now this Dame Nole's debate. I'm putting this down to

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Speaker 2: a generational problem where the younger generation doesn't like hard

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Speaker 4: Well, I would have to give Dame Nolan the benefits

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Speaker 4: something that's clearly been festering away, I think is how

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Speaker 4: of all proportion, and you do wonder if those responsible

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Speaker 4: But there has to be discussed and confronted. So this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. It sparked a debate in the office today,

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Speaker 3: I think the key thing is you've got to work

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Speaker 3: mean being hard. Sometimes that can mean, you know, putting

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Speaker 3: it's much more complicated than that than just sort of saying,

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Speaker 2: Well, he was pretty successful so your whole life.

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Speaker 3: No, it didn't, because if you think about someone like

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Speaker 3: you know, arguably that backfired.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was pasted it at that stage.

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Speaker 4: Oh, he did pretty well at Real Madrid.

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Speaker 2: some of the kids can can handle a bit of

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, And that's I think the point that Craig's making,

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Speaker 4: Noling would do that. There just seems to be some

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Speaker 2: I think this, Yeah, I think You're right, though, I

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Speaker 2: think the Born New Zealand has just completely cocked the

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Speaker 3: the people believe in the ghosts rather than actually anything else.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, right, rather than rather than you believe in

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, what about you, Nick.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, I'm into it. I've done it. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I stayed at Sambathan's and Otago, there's the old pubs there,

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Speaker 4: it would attract me rather than detract me.

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Speaker 2: Look at you.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Gaulish I'm a Gaulish head.

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Speaker 2: Run to danger, Nick, run to danger.

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Speaker 4: That's me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, love it. Thank you the pair of you.

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Speaker 2: Craig Rennie Nick Leggett.

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