1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The gun reforms were released, but as of late afternoon 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: buried of course, under the mix skimming scandal. The firearms 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: registered will stay semi automatic. Access won't be wider than 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: the Firearms Safety Authority will remain under police gang members 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: are out for registering for a license, and we've got 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: some new rules around three D printing guns and stuff 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: like that. Hugh Deverromac is the council or with the 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: Council of Licensed spire our Owners and is with us. 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: Hugh morning, Good morning. 10 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Make out of ten ten that couldn't have done any better? 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: One it was a bust. What's your number? 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 2: Look? I think it's probably strong seven. So the things 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: that have mentioned are actually pretty good. But what's absent? 14 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: What is going to annoy a lot of license fiarms 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: owners who are expecting for more. 16 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so the heavyweight stuff, the big guns, all that 17 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. Is that going to upset people? Do 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: you think or not? 19 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: I think what'll upset them is the fact that they've 20 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: been promised this sort of overwhelming reform of gun laws 21 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: and what we've actually got is just kind of a 22 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: retweak of what is already existing. So that'll be a 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: bit of a disappointment and that'll hopefully or more likely 24 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: come down on national for choosing politics over evidence. 25 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: Bace warmaking that word. So that's interesting because the next 26 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: question is if they hadn't see is this or that 27 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: they'd sort of I mean, the inference was there that 28 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: big change was coming and it hasn't turned up. Is 29 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: that on them politically or not? 30 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 2: Whether it's on act politically, I'm not sure how people 31 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: are going to respond to this one. To be fair, 32 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: there will be people who are coming for Nicole the 33 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: mount so that then would be of anyone in there 34 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: fighting for licensed firearms owners? Who else are you going 35 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: to give a vote to? Really, there's no. 36 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: One, no, okay. So if you go back to the 37 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: original problem as they perceived it, which was the ADN 38 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: amendment out of christ Churge, has anything materially changed that 39 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: vastly improves or doesn't improve the scenario as we once 40 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: had it before Christ Churche. 41 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: I think one of the major things that has it's 42 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: not necessarily changed, but it's new, and that's getting the 43 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: police regulator away from them. And this is because the 44 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: trust and confidence licenseed farms owners have had in police 45 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: have plummeted since twenty nineteen, and that's because after they 46 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: failed to do their due process and they gave a 47 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: terrorist to firearms license, they got up and said they 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: did nothing wrong with system needed to change in license 49 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: firearms owners to to blame. You can't recover from that 50 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: sort of reputational damage with the community that you are 51 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: then supposed to regulate and take care of. We've seen 52 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: multiple instances of individuals being bullied by police, by police 53 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: overreach due to clauses that say any factor and officer 54 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: deems appropriate is enough to strip someone of their license, 55 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: even though no crimes are being committed. It might be 56 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: a medical reason. So over the years, our faith and 57 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: police has completely broken down. So removing them, I think 58 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: is the biggest win for firearms owners and putting up 59 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: this new regulator and a review committee, hopefully which involves 60 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: members of the licensed community. I think that's a great 61 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: step for everyone well. 62 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: Suit As a person who doesn't own a gun, have 63 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: never shot a gun, and not remotely interested in guns, 64 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: am I safer? 65 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: I don't think you are any more safe from this. 66 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: And we know this because even the twenty nineteen law changes, 67 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: which made probably the most restrictive laws that New Zealand's 68 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: ever seen did not affect gun crime. What we have 69 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: to remember is these laws will affect by far the 70 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: licensed and law abiding individuals. They will make no difference 71 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: really to those who use firearms to commit harm in 72 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: our communities because they always employed the law. It's the 73 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: part of being a criminal. 74 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: You appreciate it. You dip Rock from the Council of 75 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: License Fire our Miners. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, 77 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.