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Speaker 2: Joseph Ghani, Child Fund CEO, and Jordan Williams, Executive Director

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Speaker 2: of the Taxpayers Union with us.

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Speaker 3: Hello you too, good head.

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Speaker 2: Hello JOSEI. How do you feel about the dynamic pricing?

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Speaker 4: Really really bad? Especially that terrifying conversation you just had,

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Speaker 4: because I'm one of those people who's a really bad hagler,

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Speaker 4: Like if someone says, oh, you know, we'll charge you

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Speaker 4: fifteen dollars and I'll go, no, no, please, let me

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Speaker 4: give you twenty. So this is just not going to

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Speaker 4: be good for people like me. And it's scary, isn't it,

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Speaker 4: because you don't know what information you're sharing online And

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Speaker 4: this AI is absolutely doing this. I mean, I've been

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Speaker 4: reading about this overseas, that they will match a price

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Speaker 4: to what they think you're willing to pay, So I

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Speaker 4: think it's really worrying. But the big I mean when

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Speaker 4: you say wat's the solution to ticket Master doing this

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Speaker 4: dynamic pricing and so on, i' mean the basic solution.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure Jordan you'd agree with me. It's actually

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Speaker 4: getting rid of monopolies and more compaition, because the thing

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Speaker 4: that brings an uber price down in a high demand

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Speaker 4: time is more share ride apps out there that you

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Speaker 4: can use that will offer you a cheaper price. So

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Speaker 4: it's the monopoly that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon, Jordan oh Harley Lujiah.

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Speaker 5: I totally agree with Josie. I think if you banned

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Speaker 5: dynamic pricing it would be a real problem. You think,

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Speaker 5: for example, on a horrible, wet, cold, rainy day that

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Speaker 5: when there's no ubers around, yep, you pay a lot more.

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Speaker 5: But that's also of course you want that because that's

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Speaker 5: what gets more ubers out on the road. The point

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Speaker 5: I was going to make Josie, you've met me to

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Speaker 5: the punch is that often there's not a lot of

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Speaker 5: competition here because Ticketmaster appear to do deals with all

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Speaker 5: the big venues. So if you're a band and you

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Speaker 5: want to come to New Zealand, you really have to

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Speaker 5: deal with them, because the venues have already contract tracted

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Speaker 5: to only go through Ticketmaster. And that's the real problem.

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Speaker 5: I mean, let's be frank, the technology behind selling tickets

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Speaker 5: online is pretty off the shelf. It's not particularly difficult

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Speaker 5: to do, so what they do is create an artificial

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Speaker 5: barrier to entry through the venues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very good point actually, and the monopoly

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Speaker 2: is the problem there. How do you feel, Josie about

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Speaker 2: Sam and defunding the speed bumps.

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Speaker 4: Fund the speed bumps? Yes, but also I'm sure you

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Speaker 4: worked this out too, Heather, but most of us have

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Speaker 4: worked out how you drive just carefully around the speed

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Speaker 4: bump in the width of your car. So they're built

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Speaker 4: really badly anyway, you don't.

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Speaker 2: Know why do you have to drive around it? Have

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Speaker 2: you got maybe slow slung boy racer thing? Yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: how did you know?

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Speaker 4: Well, I do live in Cuppity. I'm a boy racer myself.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's also that we're pretty rubbish at

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Speaker 4: building stuff in Cuppandy too. It's taken us two years

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Speaker 4: to build a bus stop, let alone. Speed bumps and

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Speaker 4: the speed bumps in company are designed just to fit

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Speaker 4: the width of your car, so they don't they do

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Speaker 4: Diddley squat anyway.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I.

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Speaker 4: Do think this is this is a good package and

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Speaker 4: I think one of the most hopeful things here. And

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Speaker 4: I heard Nick Leggett from Infrastructure New Zealand saying this.

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Speaker 4: Today they've introduced this thing called the Infrastructure National Infrastructure Commission.

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Speaker 4: Now that's an independent body where everybody can submit projects

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Speaker 4: to that body, and that body will go yep, that's

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Speaker 4: got a good cost benefit analysis. That hasn't and even

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Speaker 4: Labor has agreed to that. So I think we're starting

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Speaker 4: to depoliticize the fact that roads the right wing and

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Speaker 4: cycle ways a left wing, which is just daft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, Jordan. I won't you take but

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've got a solution. If you don't like that

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Speaker 3: thing that you heard about what a New.

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Speaker 2: Zealand might be doing with the tickets and stuff, hang

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Speaker 2: on because Allen sent a solution through. But first we're

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Speaker 2: back of the huddle. Joe's he begunning and Jordan Williams

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Speaker 2: k Jordan, what do you make of the defunding of

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Speaker 2: the speed bumps?

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Speaker 5: Well, I want these capity speed bumps to come too, Auckland,

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Speaker 5: because I'm sick of Auckland. Transport spending a million bucks

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Speaker 5: on these damn speed humps that no one wants to

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Speaker 5: slow everyone down and when anyone complains, Oh, but it

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Speaker 5: encourages people to take a bus. Now they're putting these

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Speaker 5: damn stops bus stops on in the middle of the road,

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Speaker 5: so when the bus stop, everyone stops behind it and

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Speaker 5: they're proud of it. I have to say Wayne Brown's right,

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Speaker 5: they need to bring all transport. It's weird. Agent.

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Speaker 3: It's weird how we have spent centuries basically making roads

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Speaker 3: run as smoothly as possible until Auckland Transport decided to

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Speaker 3: do the opposite. And they've met they've been quite successful

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Speaker 3: at that.

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Speaker 5: Recently, twenty years ago. They use that you know, they

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Speaker 5: measure how long it takes through the average trip in Auckland,

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Speaker 5: and officials used to try to get it down. Now

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Speaker 5: the Yahoo when they get it up, it's totally out

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Speaker 5: of control. And I get the argument that you want

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Speaker 5: to depoliticize it, but actually an Aukland Transports case, we

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Speaker 5: need the politicians to take back control because they complain.

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Speaker 5: But Auckland Transport are a world into themselves and ignore

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Speaker 5: the council.

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Speaker 2: You can't stand them. Hey, Josie, I was a little

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Speaker 2: bit shocked by removing the toast from the mothers who

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Speaker 2: just pushed out of baby.

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Speaker 3: What about you?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I know, of all the things to focus on,

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Speaker 4: I mean, what is the problem we're trying to solve

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Speaker 4: with health and let's face it, it's a crisis. Lack

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Speaker 4: of GP's, lack of hospital adoptors and nurses, Waiting lists

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Speaker 4: are too long, unequal provision to mari and pacificate for

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Speaker 4: whatever reasons, that needs to be dealt with, all of

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Speaker 4: these big, big issues. And we're talking about toast. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're trying to cut costs with toast.

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Speaker 5: It terrifies me, Heather.

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Speaker 4: I've had my daughter. This is during COVID she had

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Speaker 4: to have a back operation. She would have waited about

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Speaker 4: nineteen months on the public waiting list to get the

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Speaker 4: operation she needed. She would have been a drug addict

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Speaker 4: by then. She would have been on morphine, tramadol, the

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Speaker 4: whole lot. Now, you know, we did to give a

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Speaker 4: little page to raise money to do it quickly. I

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Speaker 4: mean the consequences of us having these long waiting lists

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Speaker 4: with people on elective surgery waiting lists and sign it's

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Speaker 4: terrifying and we're talking about toast. Yeah, come on, it's

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Speaker 4: it's it's just wrong.

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Speaker 2: What is terrifying about it, Jordan, is that that is

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Speaker 2: the solution from some numpty and Health New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't help, but wonder I said to on the

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Speaker 5: on the morning call this morning. I said to my guys,

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Speaker 5: I think this might be a Lady Elizabeth problem. And

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Speaker 5: by that I mean every time you affect police funding,

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Speaker 5: what they do is find the most politically painful part

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Speaker 5: to cut police. It's the Wellington Police launch the Lady Elizabeth.

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Speaker 5: This felt to me like it was officials going, well,

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Speaker 5: we need more resources, will get you what's the what's

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Speaker 5: the thing that will really get under people's Do you know?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I think it is?

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Speaker 5: Though, Jordan.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit like the dead cat theory of politics.

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Speaker 4: You know, you've got this massive crisis over here. Let's

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Speaker 4: check a dead cat on the table, and everybody will

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Speaker 4: talk about that, and the toast is the dead cat

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Speaker 4: You've got. You've got two options, though, You've got an

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Speaker 4: aging population and you've got declining revenue. Either you cut spending,

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Speaker 4: don't want to do that, or you tax more or

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Speaker 4: you get into debt, you've got to make some hard choices.

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Speaker 4: It's an exempt from that.

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Speaker 5: There's a third choice here. We did about five years

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Speaker 5: ago we did a series of reports about health productivity.

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Speaker 5: It got absolutely no media coverage except for a report

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Speaker 5: we did on a hospital car parking. Appreciate it's a

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Speaker 5: very big deal. But if New Zealand just came up

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Speaker 5: to the average health productivity the OECD, it is the

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Speaker 5: equivalent of spending a third more on health. And while

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Speaker 5: this government's thinking around the edges around, you know, reversing

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Speaker 5: partially some of the so called reforms labored it, I

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Speaker 5: don't see any appetite to properly change the incentives and

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Speaker 5: we're going to end up with I think in the

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Speaker 5: medium term it's the government's biggest political risk. Look at

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Speaker 5: the way the Tories tried to get their health system

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Speaker 5: on the straight and narrow without changing the model. That's

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Speaker 5: exactly what's happening here. You can rearrange or try, sorry,

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Speaker 5: you can try to run it better, but unless you're

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Speaker 5: changing the actual incentives and fundamentals of what is a

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Speaker 5: New Zealand version of the NHS, I think the Nats

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Speaker 5: are stuffed.

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Speaker 2: Jordan can you send me that report.

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Speaker 3: I like to have a read of that.

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Speaker 2: Actually, if you don't, I.

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Speaker 5: Will dig them out of the archive and we can

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Speaker 5: give it a good go. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is, Jordan, the problem is so huge.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and we've been talking about this for years,

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Speaker 4: about an aging population which is going to get sicker

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Speaker 4: and make more demands on the health sector. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think, yes, you can look at the incentives. You

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Speaker 4: can you know, stop giving people toasts. You can, I

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Speaker 4: don't know, charge more for parking, you can do all

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Speaker 4: sorts of little things around the edges. But I think

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Speaker 4: you've really got to confront the fact that we've got

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Speaker 4: declining revenue and higher spend and at some point you've

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Speaker 4: got to go either we've got to find different sources

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Speaker 4: for revenue for health and by golly, I want it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want my family or myself to

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Speaker 4: be going into a hospital system right now. It's really scary.

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Speaker 4: Or you've got to or you've got to go into debt,

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Speaker 4: and and you know, and lot. The big issue we're

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Speaker 4: not talking about is the fact that we're you know,

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Speaker 4: we've got productivity in New Zealand, which is nose darting.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we just make rubbish things. We work long

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Speaker 4: hours for low wages. We're not making enough money as

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Speaker 4: a country, and that means we can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to leave it there. Guys, I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Thank you so much. Joseph ac Gani Child

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Speaker 2: Fund CEO, and Jordan Williams, executive director at the Taxpayers Unions.

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