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Speaker 1: Devin Gray is a UK correspondent joining us this evening. Devin,

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Speaker 1: get a hither right, flight disruptions. We've got the cyber

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Speaker 1: attacks and flight disruptions across Europe and they sit to

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Speaker 1: get worse or continue at least.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are, and it's Brussels which appears to be

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Speaker 2: the worst affected. So this was all a software cyber

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Speaker 2: attack which struck several airports across the Europe, including Berlin

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Speaker 2: in Dublin and Brussels and London. Heathrow Britain's biggest airport,

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Speaker 2: and it's basically a system that allows airlines to share

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Speaker 2: check in desks and also the baggage sorting. So it

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Speaker 2: is effectively that that's been we believe, the subject of

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Speaker 2: a cyber attack. And Collins Airspace, who run that aerospace,

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Speaker 2: who run that particular software thing, saying well that they

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Speaker 2: have almost resolved the issue, but that hasn't stopped many

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Speaker 2: many flights being canceled across the weekend. This struck on

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Speaker 2: Friday night and Heathrow was looking pretty messy, so was

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Speaker 2: Brussels and Berlin. On Saturday. Things got a little bit

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Speaker 2: better yesterday. Today we're being told most are getting back

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Speaker 2: to normal but not so at Brussels, where effective they've

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Speaker 2: been asked. All airlines have been asked to cancel nearly

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Speaker 2: half their flights. So really a massive, massive problem there,

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Speaker 2: and it has led to all these airports having to

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Speaker 2: check people in using pen and paper. British Airways incidentally

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Speaker 2: was not doing that. It has its own backup system

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Speaker 2: and that's led to questions about why other airports don't

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Speaker 2: have their own backup system.

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Speaker 1: Any idea at this point, Gavin, where the cyber attexts

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Speaker 1: have actually come from.

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Speaker 2: No, all sorts of finger pointing again about potentially from

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Speaker 2: Russian hackers and potentially those Russian hackers being linked to Russia,

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Speaker 2: to the state of Russia. But we don't know that

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Speaker 2: for sure, and indeed the company itself is trying to

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Speaker 2: studiously avoid using the word cyber attack, just saying it

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Speaker 2: is a cyber issue, but everyone else seems to be

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Speaker 2: reported that they believe it to be a cyber attack.

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Speaker 1: All right, Okay, speaking of the Russians in staying in

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Speaker 1: the skies Estonia is re Christian consultation with NATO members

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Speaker 1: that this after the Russian wall planes violated their space

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Speaker 1: Friday morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so for the second time. In just this month,

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Speaker 2: we're getting news that Russia has flown over airspace and

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Speaker 2: Estonia being this time they reckoned some three meg fighter

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Speaker 2: jets flew over their airspace for twelve minutes. Now Russia

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Speaker 2: is saying no, we're an international airspace, but not according

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Speaker 2: to the Estonians who say no, it was flown over

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Speaker 2: and they're pretty angry about it. Indeed, it's led I

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Speaker 2: think lots of NATO countries now to get really jittery.

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Speaker 2: They are bolstering that eastern flank, and Italy, Finland and

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Speaker 2: Sweden were scrambling jets and as I said, for the

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Speaker 2: second time this month when a NATO members airspace was

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Speaker 2: breached by Russia. Incidentally, if you think, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: all getting a bit boring, the Czech president Peta Pavel

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Speaker 2: is saying that NATO should respond by shooting down any

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Speaker 2: planes from Russia or any other country which is overflying

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Speaker 2: without permission. Russia saying, you know, it had nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with it, it's not illegal and so forth. But

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Speaker 2: there is a feeling that Russia is testing NATO to

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Speaker 2: see what it is and is not willing to do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to agree with something like that. Something

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Speaker 1: as drastic is that. But if the idea is that

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Speaker 1: he is testing in his head at Stony in Poland,

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Speaker 1: his head Romania is testing the boundaries of NATO, NATO's

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Speaker 1: response thus far would seem to be pretty weak, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's exactly. I think the point

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Speaker 2: many awake and making that there's meetings, it's discussions, it's

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Speaker 2: jiggling around where the defenses are and a unanimous sort

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Speaker 2: of statement of intent, but there is actually no intent

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Speaker 2: being signaled at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent.

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