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Speaker 1: Victoria University students. Well, they're apparently shocked because they're going

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Speaker 1: to be forced to rewrite their exams next month by hand.

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Speaker 1: It's not everyone, it's just the students of two papers

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Speaker 1: and third year law and it's basically to try and

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Danny Beddingfield is an expert in AI usage in education. Hey, Danny, Hi,

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Speaker 1: hever Danny. It seems to me that it's probably one

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Speaker 1: of the only ways to get around the AI right

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Speaker 1: to do handwriting or to do oral exams.

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Speaker 2: Is it about right at the moment? Unfortunately? Yes. You know,

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Speaker 2: you would like to think that you've got digital tools

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Speaker 2: that will predict or be able to detect this, but

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Speaker 2: unfortunately there's nothing reliable out there at the moment. Why not,

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Speaker 2: I guess the meaning is that, you know, artificial intelligence

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Speaker 2: is designed to mimic human behavior, and every time you

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Speaker 2: put a prompt into an AI tool, it literally will

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Speaker 2: produce something different, even if the prompt does exactly the

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Speaker 2: same because it's rewritten by the AI tool every single time,

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Speaker 2: and we'll use different sources and different ways of writing

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Speaker 2: every time it writes it.

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Speaker 1: So if there's an I mean, do you think into

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Speaker 1: the future going to be impossible to try and track

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Speaker 1: it down.

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Speaker 2: We just need to basically accept that, I think absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I think the problem at the moment is that we're

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Speaker 2: still trying to think in old school ways. We're still

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Speaker 2: trying to be able to detect cheating by using essays

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Speaker 2: and just passing them through a number of different softwares.

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Speaker 2: But there's always been ways of kind of getting around

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Speaker 2: that if the student was savvy enough to and had

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Speaker 2: the want to investigate ways online to be able to

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we basically need to acknowledge that

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Speaker 1: kids are going to be using AI, We are going

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Speaker 1: to be using AI, and we need to incorporate into

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Speaker 1: just incorporate it into what they're doing at university.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Look, people in university, people in high school now

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a tool of choice that they're

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Speaker 2: going to be using when they leave, when they lead

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Speaker 2: the education and go into the real world. So I

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Speaker 2: think we should be using it more as a learning tool,

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Speaker 2: something that has the great ability to help improve processes

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Speaker 2: and save time and make us more productive. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: at the moment, our education is system isn't set up

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Speaker 2: to assess in different ways, and I think that's what's

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Speaker 2: got to change the way that we assess our students.

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Speaker 1: Danny, thanks very much, really appreciated. Danny Beddingfield, AI and

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