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Speaker 3: First of August. Really bloody good show today, Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Certainly was Yeah, fantastic chat about the FBI, whether it

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Speaker 2: Plus some hot board guys and you get a name change.

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Friday's show. I

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Speaker 4: hope you've had a fantastic week and you're having a

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Speaker 2: We have cobbled together a fantastic three hours of talkback

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Speaker 4: Is bald and beautiful or sixy anyway, There's been a

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Speaker 2: Jason Statham the Rock and John O from John on

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Speaker 2: Bean have joined the chat fist too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, third, maybe, well what's wrong with Johan from

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Speaker 3: John on and Ben?

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Speaker 6: He's no rock?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's no rock, but he's good looking man. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he does it right. Come on, there are lots of

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Speaker 3: hot ball guys. So if you're bored and.

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Speaker 2: Happy with it, we'd love to hear from you. Or

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Speaker 2: if you're your man's baled and you're happy with that,

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Speaker 6: Yep, that is after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've probably heard that the US has slapped

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Speaker 2: us with a fifteen percent tariff. Why did we get

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Speaker 2: fifteen percent and the Aussies get ten percent? How serious

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Speaker 2: is this for our exports? And how can the government

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Speaker 3: Like our neighbors. Now, what's as he doing that?

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Speaker 4: We're not, yep, and we're hoping David catch up with

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Speaker 6: That's after two o'clock.

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Speaker 4: But right now, let's have a chat about the FBI,

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Speaker 4: the Federal Bureau of Investigation. It's sitting up a new

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Speaker 7: Some of the most important global issues of our times

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Speaker 7: countering the CCP in the endope comp theater, countering the

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Speaker 7: most importantly, protecting our respective citizenry here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 2: So you know, all of that's sounding like fighting criminals

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Speaker 3: One little line there. Those three words, well, countering the CCP.

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Speaker 3: And that's annoyed the Chinese.

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Speaker 4: say transnational crime is a common challenge encountered by all countries,

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Speaker 2: Well I the thing is that the FBI have been

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Speaker 4: They are and you, I mean part of you likes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sometimes they're useless, like in die Hard. You want

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they're involved in conspiracies like the X Files. But

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Speaker 3: And when I hear that the FBO is in town,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the FBI up to in New Zealand? An

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Speaker 2: What is interesting about it, of course, is that the

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Speaker 3: They've committed a crime.

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Speaker 2: But if the crime goes between states, then the FBI

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Speaker 2: are the police then investigate that, right, yep. So it's

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Speaker 2: You know, they've had a number of famous operations around

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting where the FBI ends and the

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Speaker 6: It is a fascinating world.

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Speaker 4: But I've got to say, gut feelers, I feel safer

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Speaker 4: And I say that because, as we know, the FBI

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Speaker 4: has a truckload of resources behind them. They've got contacts

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Speaker 2: Well, the FBI's key directives are counter terrorism, counterintelligence, cyber crime,

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Speaker 2: Apparently the DEAs here as well civil rights protection, are

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Speaker 2: So they're down here, and of course we know that

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Speaker 3: But is there something bigger going on?

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Speaker 2: Like there normally is as this texasays, Call me cynical,

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Speaker 2: but my money is on the FBI being here to

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Speaker 2: tariff increase back to ten percent.

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Speaker 6: Maybe yeah, but been part of it.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're going to talk about tariff's after two.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it has been suggested that the reason

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number call.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about this new office opened up

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Speaker 4: little bit concerned that there's a wider game at play here.

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Speaker 4: Love to hear your thoughts. Old, eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 4: That'd be very good afternoon to you. So we are

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Speaker 4: talking about the FBI establishing a dedicated law enforcement office

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Speaker 4: in Wellington. The director Cash Patel has been in the

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Speaker 4: country announcing that. So how do you feel about the

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Speaker 4: FBI getting a stronger foothold in New Zealand. Do you

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Speaker 4: think it is good to have the resources and expertise.

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Speaker 2: The success Winston said that the part about the CCP

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Speaker 3: That's the part where Cash Battel said one of the

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Speaker 2: Was countering the CCP. So Winston said that the part

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Speaker 2: setting up this office with the FBI caught Collins and

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Speaker 3: It does seem odd.

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Speaker 2: Though, that the FBI would because the FBI created that audio,

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Speaker 2: they filmed it themselves. It wasn't an interview, so it

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Speaker 3: Exactly because it's the sort of a pr thing.

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Speaker 2: It's filmed by them to be released to hand over

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Speaker 2: the information to the journalists, as opposed to a press conference.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can ask questions, right, and maybe you get

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Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, but they certainly seem to be

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Speaker 2: you know, New Zealand suddenly seems to be distancing themselves

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Speaker 2: from that comments in those comments, as you can imagine.

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Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 4: to call. I've got to say, though, Matt, something like

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Speaker 4: setting up a dedicated law enforcement office, even if it

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Speaker 4: is the FBI. Actually I'm I'm pleased it's the FBI

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Speaker 4: because I think strengthening those ties with America, and I

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Speaker 4: know there's been a lot of discussion about that, but

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Speaker 4: why wouldn't we why wouldn't we trying to be doing

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Speaker 4: more to strengthen ties with a traditional ally And they

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Speaker 4: long been a corner point of a strategic partnership with

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Speaker 4: New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the UK and America. I just

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Speaker 4: don't understand the pushback from some quarters with trying to

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Speaker 4: build a bit more strategy and cooperation with the big

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Speaker 4: things that are happening in the world with the country

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Speaker 4: that we have been allied with for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a type of New Zealand that spends

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Speaker 2: a lot of time online that's very, very focused on

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Speaker 2: The problem is when they say countering the CCP could

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, the FBI opened an office in New Zealand

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Speaker 12: Way, aren't we.

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Speaker 3: History talk about yeah, I mean, I mean the problem

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Speaker 6: The they our meat. Canada wasn't too nice to us.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what's the solution, Greg, Do we go bankrupt

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Speaker 11: It's not. I know we've got to walk a fine line.

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Speaker 11: But I think we've got to stand our trade. You know,

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Speaker 11: Great. Yeah, American plays hardball on their trade. You know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much, Greg, So we have to

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Speaker 6: But you didn't have to say it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a

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Speaker 5: Some make Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 14: Non idea that's been reheated with a briefing paper suggesting

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Speaker 14: Doctor Sandra Grays, the Tertiary Education Union National Secretary, look New.

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Speaker 15: Zealand does unfortunately have quite a bad assay towards trades

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Speaker 6: Very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about the FBI establishing more of a foothold

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Speaker 6: They're sitting up a new office in Wellington.

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Speaker 4: So are you happy that the FBI are having closer

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Speaker 4: times with our government? O one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 4: coming through on nine to nine to two. Guys, why

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Speaker 4: the terrifts, hey, guys. I was hoping the i FBI

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Speaker 3: Obviously, I don't know if I can.

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Speaker 2: Dot com that important there the FBI director Cash Motel

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Speaker 3: Ah, Heather, you've had some interactions with the FBI.

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Speaker 16: Yes, it's funny one. Going back into the nineties, I

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Speaker 16: And there was people were on edge around the world

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Speaker 16: I sent the FBI. Or I was sitting there at

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Speaker 16: and two fibbs strolled through. I don't you ever seen

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Speaker 3: So what were they wearing?

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Speaker 16: No, no, they were there was before they fashion came.

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Speaker 17: It was so long ago.

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Speaker 16: Straight faces. They were scary looking dudes.

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Speaker 3: Armed. Were they armed?

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Speaker 18: Heather?

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Speaker 16: They wouldn't want to miss.

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Speaker 3: Were they armed heither?

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Speaker 16: No, I didn't see anything. I don't think they'd be

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't want you to see if they were armed

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Speaker 2: Well in the movies they have that let's strap around

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Speaker 19: What happened?

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Speaker 16: Or they were investigated right through the entire company. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, So how do you feel about them increasing

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Speaker 2: their presence in Wellington?

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Speaker 16: Not worried one way or another. It's what they do

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Speaker 16: is what they're doing.

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Speaker 6: Bring them in, you say, okay, there you go. Thank

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Speaker 6: you heither for your call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much. O one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call in. Nine two

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Speaker 4: ninety two is the text number. Are you happy that

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Speaker 4: the FBI is getting more of a foothold here in

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Speaker 4: New Zealand? Love to get your thoughts. We've got headlines

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Speaker 4: with railing coming up there will take more of your

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Speaker 4: phone calls on.

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Speaker 6: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 18: You talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 18: no trouble with a blue bubble. Donald Trump has raised

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Speaker 18: tariffs on New Zealand, while keeping tariffs on the UK

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Speaker 18: and Australia unchanged. New Zeland and several other countries will

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Speaker 18: now face a tariff rate of fifteen percent. Challenges in

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Speaker 18: the creative sector and project delays are being blamed for

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Speaker 18: a proposal to cut about one hundred jobs at Wellington's

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Speaker 18: visual effects and animation company wetter fx EEA could be

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Speaker 18: adding to the country's bad attitude towards vocational education. A

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Speaker 18: new briefing suggests the current system doesn't support pathways for

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Speaker 18: students going into the likes of trades or hospitality. Cross

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Speaker 18: party support is greater. Independent oversight of Audangatomiti Kei takes

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Speaker 18: effect from today. A new independent Children's board is being

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Speaker 18: set up to oversee their agency and there will be

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Speaker 18: one single Children's Commissioner acting as an advocate. Adnedin Man's

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Speaker 18: been sentenced after drunkenly strangling the father of the groom

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Speaker 18: at a wedding using the man's own here not so

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Speaker 18: flip and fun lockdown, debt least dispute and recession blamed

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Speaker 18: for liquidation of popular trampoline park.

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Speaker 3: You can read more at enzid Herald Premium.

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Speaker 18: Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Raileen so Jared Savage is one

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Speaker 4: of this country's leading investigators of gang activity. He wrote

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Speaker 4: Gangland and Gangster's Paradise, and he's recently released a new

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Speaker 4: book Underworld, the New Era of Gangs in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: He's had a lot of dealings with the likes of

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Speaker 4: the FBI and the DEA for that matter, and he

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Speaker 4: joins us on the line.

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Speaker 6: Now get a.

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Speaker 3: Jared, Hey, afternoon, guys, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: So, the FBI's presence in New Zealand, what does that

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Speaker 2: sort of signify in terms of organized crime threats in

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Speaker 2: the region?

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Speaker 3: Are they growing?

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Speaker 12: We've actually had the FBI, agents of the FBI here

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Speaker 12: in New Zealand for a few years now, likewise with

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Speaker 12: the DEA, and sort of signals are sort of organized

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Speaker 12: crime by its very nature is across as borders fluently.

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Speaker 12: So you've got groups overseas working with groups here and

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Speaker 12: the only way to really combat that is for our

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Speaker 12: law enforcement to likewise, the working across borders so and

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Speaker 12: very much shows that for the FBI and the DEA

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Speaker 12: to be interested in working with us, that the same

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Speaker 12: guy that give them problems are the same guys going

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Speaker 12: to gass problems here.

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Speaker 2: So that's the interesting thing because you know, the FBI,

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Speaker 2: as of course, primarily a domestic law enforcement intelligence agency

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Speaker 2: operating across the states, all of the states, rather than

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Speaker 2: you know, state law.

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Speaker 3: Informance for informants.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting for me because how does the FI

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Speaker 2: operate overseas and how does its directives? How are they

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Speaker 2: different from the CIA.

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Speaker 12: I guess, well, I guess the CIA is intelligence gathering

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Speaker 12: and sty kind of stuff, right, whereas FBI is law enforcement. Clearly,

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Speaker 12: the FBI can't arrest anybody here in New Zealand. But

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Speaker 12: what they are doing working and the DEA is working

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Speaker 12: alongside the likes of the New Zealand Police in particularly

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Speaker 12: not G which is the National Organized Crime Group and

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Speaker 12: customs and so.

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Speaker 13: There'll be a lot of information sharing and all. There

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Speaker 13: will be a lot of intelligence sharing.

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Speaker 12: They will be the FBI will be you know, and

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Speaker 12: the DA will be looking at, you know, the cartels

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Speaker 12: essentially the sort of manufacturing and distributing large amounts of

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Speaker 12: me think, cocaine from Mexico up into the States because

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Speaker 12: because those because the cartels are a problem for the States.

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Speaker 13: I guess the FBI.

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Speaker 12: Can sort of justify that and say, well, if we're

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Speaker 12: investigating the cartels sending gear to Australia and New Zealand,

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Speaker 12: you know that that sort of fulfills their mandate, I

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Speaker 12: suppose by sort of shutting down operations at both ends,

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Speaker 12: if you will.

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Speaker 3: So the d A, d A being the drug enforcement agency.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, administration, I believe, but yeah, the DA, so that's

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Speaker 12: you know, so they you know, and they are you know,

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Speaker 12: complimentary sort of agencies you know from the States, obviously

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Speaker 12: famous from you know the Narcos shows and things like that.

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Speaker 13: So and and they've been there for probably five six

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Speaker 13: years now.

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Speaker 4: Dana Wellington, we are speaking to Jared Savage, investigative reporter

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Speaker 4: with the New Zealand Herald. Jared, I know you covered

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Speaker 4: this extensively. It was called Operation Trojan Shield and for

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Speaker 4: those who may not remember, that was the ANOM system

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Speaker 4: that was set up. But that was an example of

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Speaker 4: cooperation not just with US, but other jurisdictions around the world,

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Speaker 4: right with the FBI.

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Speaker 13: Correct.

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Speaker 12: So that was a huge global operation led by the

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Speaker 12: FBI and the Australian Federal Police it's the AFP.

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Speaker 13: And so what they.

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Speaker 12: Did was, you know, organized crime groups around the world

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Speaker 12: were you know, law enforcement was struggling to intercept their communications.

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Speaker 13: Everyone was using sort of dedicated encrypted.

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Speaker 12: Devices which were impossible to intercept live and FBI I

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Speaker 12: think quite a bit of time for a shut down

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Speaker 12: these different sort of technologies. One was called Fantom Secure,

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Speaker 12: another one was called sky ECC and as part of

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Speaker 12: those ongoing investigations, they actually essentially created a new encryptive

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Speaker 12: device themselves, or at platform i should say, which they

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Speaker 12: kind of secretly fed.

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Speaker 6: Out into the Underworld's brilliant.

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Speaker 13: And these guys, yeah, it's brilliant. These guys started using it.

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Speaker 12: And you know, this is literally twenty countries around the world,

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Speaker 12: thousands of people using it, and they all thought it

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Speaker 12: was safe.

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Speaker 13: That they're all talking to their buddies.

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Speaker 12: Organizing drug deals, organizing hits, organizing money laundering.

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Speaker 13: So you know, they all thought it was top secret.

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Speaker 13: Nobody knew about it. It was safe. But basically a carbon

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Speaker 13: copy of every single.

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Speaker 12: Message and photographsent was going to the FBI and they

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Speaker 12: were running this for a couple of years.

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Speaker 13: It's still going through the court seats. I've got to

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Speaker 13: be a wee bit careful, but.

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Speaker 12: It's essentially the police here were investigating some of these

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Speaker 12: some of these groups independently of the FBI and struggling,

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Speaker 12: you know, and really grinding quite hard to gather evidence,

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Speaker 12: and then at some point along the line of the

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Speaker 12: FBI has called them in for a meeting and said, hey, look, guys,

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Speaker 12: you know the guys that you're looking into, Well, here's

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Speaker 12: some evidence that you might think is quite useful, and

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Speaker 12: that led to a whole bunch of arrest sort of

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Speaker 12: middle of twenty twenty one around the world. I think

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Speaker 12: something like a thousand or twelve.

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Speaker 13: Hundred charges laid here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 12: It's huge, and it's an example of the sorts.

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Speaker 13: Of cooperation that you know, we can.

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Speaker 12: You know that that New Zealand has already been getting

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Speaker 12: with the FBI, and I sort of suspect that the

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Speaker 12: beefing up on this office will lead to more of

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Speaker 12: those kinds of.

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Speaker 13: You know, collaboration if you will.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was cool, mission impossible style of stuff,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it. But so, you know, there's been a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Talk about it, and of course cash Mittel said one

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Speaker 2: of the reasons they were here was countering the CCP.

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Speaker 2: How is how is their position here countering the cc P?

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Speaker 2: You know, there's drug syndicates, there's this cyber crime, these

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Speaker 2: talks of trafficking and terrible human atrocities happening across the Pacific.

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Speaker 2: But what does he mean by countering the CCP.

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Speaker 13: Well, I don't.

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Speaker 12: No. I imagine that's something that our politicians would not wanted

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Speaker 12: to say, given that, you know, China is one of

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Speaker 12: our big trade partners that clearly China has a huge

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Speaker 12: influence in the Pacific region. Now, US, you know, want

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Speaker 12: to maintain those tires of US, and I guess you know,

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Speaker 12: from from the New Zealand's perspective, we probably do want

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Speaker 12: to know. The main sort of justifications for allowing the

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Speaker 12: FBI to operate here is is that transnational organized climes

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Speaker 12: up that's where they can help us the most. And

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Speaker 12: they probably yeah, anything to do with with the CCP

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Speaker 12: is probably something that they would rather hit those discussions

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Speaker 12: behind closed doors, I imagine, So maybe something a little

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Speaker 12: bit of a plemanic float party.

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Speaker 6: Are you like?

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Speaker 2: And finally, are you concerned as many people on the

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Speaker 2: text machine are about a foreign law enforcement agency.

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Speaker 3: Increasing its operations here. Does it in some way undermine

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Speaker 3: our domestic law enforcement or do you think it's just

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Speaker 3: another great tool to smash the bad guys.

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Speaker 12: I'm probably in the ladder, to be honest, and I

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Speaker 12: think we've actually had the FBO here for quite quite

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Speaker 12: a few years now, sort of in behind the scenes

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Speaker 12: on you know, quite a lot of sort of big

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Speaker 12: drug operations, but probably we're probably unaware of sort of

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Speaker 12: their influence and saying well, hey, guys, you might want

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Speaker 12: to We've heard about this shipment coming in.

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Speaker 13: You might want to, you might want to get onto it.

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Speaker 12: It's probably sort of kept in the in the back,

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Speaker 12: in the back of everyone's you know, kept in the dark.

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Speaker 13: I suppose this is a.

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Speaker 12: Strengthening of that, as long as they are sort of

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Speaker 12: getting us to do any sort of dodgy you know,

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Speaker 12: black mask stuff over the people's heads and send them.

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Speaker 13: Off to a black side. I'm not I'm not too

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Speaker 13: worried about it to me, and I think it's something

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Speaker 13: that we need.

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Speaker 12: Organized crimes as a serious threat here in New Zealand

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Speaker 12: from these offshore guys that we can't deal with by ourselves.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, I think I think it's a positive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's there's no jurisdiction, as you said before,

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Speaker 2: there's no no erist powers here, so they can't be

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Speaker 2: like putting hods over people's heads, throwing them to the

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Speaker 2: back of panel vans and then taking them to the

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Speaker 2: important flying them out. But then again, things like that

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Speaker 2: have ended in the past.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, am I just watching? Am I thinking of a

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Speaker 3: movie I watch?

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Speaker 6: It's pretty cool though, pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: Jared, really good to get your expertise as always. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for catching up with us. And just before we let

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Speaker 4: you go, are your new book Underworld, The New Era

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Speaker 4: of Gangs in New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Congratulations on that book. Can people buy it in bookstores now?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Mate, online book stores, Spotify get into it.

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Speaker 6: Love it.

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Speaker 2: You're a fantastic writer and enjoy all your writings. So

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for talking to us today.

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Speaker 13: Takes guys go well.

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Speaker 4: That is Jared Savage, investigative reporter focused on crime for

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Speaker 4: the New Zealand Herald.

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Speaker 6: It is Jim Asks.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if fift By is investigating mister Trump's laundering

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Speaker 2: of cartel money through companies. Well, probably not from Wellington.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't think, Jim.

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Speaker 6: I don't think you get too much from here.

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Speaker 2: I think they've come down to Wellington to look for that.

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Speaker 2: Then they're probably wasting resources.

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Speaker 6: It is a quarter to do too.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.

665
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks. I'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 4: The FBI is in town Orthough, setting up more of

667
00:31:41,413 --> 00:31:43,653
Speaker 4: a foothold anyway, with a new office in Wellington. How

668
00:31:43,653 --> 00:31:45,173
Speaker 4: do you feel about that at one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: ten eighties a number to call.

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Speaker 2: This text of Brands says, given we have New Zealand

671
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Speaker 2: police liaison offices stationed in countries all over the world,

672
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Speaker 2: including the US, why would people be worried about a

673
00:31:53,333 --> 00:31:56,133
Speaker 2: reciprocal program with the FAI having a presence here. But

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Speaker 2: it's a good point, and I think part of it

675
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Speaker 2: is that people are sort of forget because we watched

676
00:32:00,533 --> 00:32:03,373
Speaker 2: so many movies and we spend so much time online

677
00:32:03,413 --> 00:32:05,853
Speaker 2: reading conspiracy theories that we sometimes not that all conspiracy

678
00:32:05,853 --> 00:32:07,933
Speaker 2: I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are wrong. Just because

679
00:32:07,933 --> 00:32:10,133
Speaker 2: of the conspira theory doesn't mean it's not true very true. Yeah,

680
00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:12,613
Speaker 2: I mean there are conspiracy There's definitely been conspiracies, But

681
00:32:12,613 --> 00:32:15,253
Speaker 2: that's not my point. We watched so many movies and

682
00:32:15,293 --> 00:32:18,613
Speaker 2: when someone broiled with the FBI being put up as

683
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Speaker 2: a certain thing, that we forget that they're a police force.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're just a powerful police force, and so

685
00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:29,413
Speaker 3: as this Texas says no different than New Zealand police

686
00:32:30,173 --> 00:32:33,893
Speaker 3: going to other countries, the FBI is here, I mean different,

687
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Speaker 3: and then their resources are much larger than ours.

688
00:32:37,093 --> 00:32:38,293
Speaker 6: And their expertise as well.

689
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Speaker 3: Simon, welcome to the show. You think it's a good

690
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Speaker 3: move having the FBI increased their presence in New Zealand.

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Speaker 20: I think it's a great move, Matt.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And what do you think it's such a good move.

693
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Speaker 20: I think it's another tool in our toolbox for you know,

694
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Speaker 20: crime fighting. I think its strengthens our ties with the

695
00:32:56,093 --> 00:33:00,813
Speaker 20: Americans and I just think it's a it's a good move.

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Speaker 3: Are you worried about passing off the CCP at all? Simon?

697
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Speaker 20: Well, when you say that, Matt, what do you mean

698
00:33:06,413 --> 00:33:10,893
Speaker 20: by that? Because I mean the Solomon Island deals yea.

699
00:33:11,093 --> 00:33:14,053
Speaker 20: And you look at the Chinese.

700
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Speaker 21: Frigates off the coast of Australia.

701
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Speaker 20: There's a big fregance of the Chinese and the and

702
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Speaker 20: the islands, and I think it's it's good for us

703
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Speaker 20: to strengthen ties with America.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting because the Chinese that the Chinese ambassador

706
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Speaker 2: released the statement today that sounded like it was written

707
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Speaker 2: by Ai.

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Speaker 3: Have you got that there, Tyler.

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Speaker 6: I'll find that while we get this discussion.

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Speaker 3: It is strongly worded.

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Speaker 2: But the Chinese definitely believe in saying, you know, saying

712
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Speaker 2: all the right things in public and telling the truth

713
00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:45,173
Speaker 2: behind the behind doors. Right, Yeah, So whenever you come

714
00:33:45,173 --> 00:33:48,653
Speaker 2: out and say something like, of course, of course America

715
00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:51,013
Speaker 2: is an la of ours, and of course America's interests

716
00:33:51,053 --> 00:33:53,933
Speaker 2: are encountering the CCP, I mean, China knows that that's

717
00:33:53,973 --> 00:33:54,893
Speaker 2: not a surprise to them.

718
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Speaker 3: But what did the ambassador say, Tyler?

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Speaker 4: So the line here is transnational crime is a common

720
00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:03,413
Speaker 4: challenge encountered by all countries requiring cooperation to tackle. On

721
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Speaker 4: the opening of a new FBI office in Wellington with

722
00:34:05,573 --> 00:34:09,493
Speaker 4: a permanent legal attache. Because we have taken note of

723
00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:12,212
Speaker 4: the assertions by the American side as well as the

724
00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:15,213
Speaker 4: remarks by relevant New Zealand ministers in response to the media,

725
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Speaker 4: we believe that relevant cooperation should not target any third

726
00:34:19,293 --> 00:34:22,453
Speaker 4: party and we strongly oppose any attempt to make groundless

727
00:34:22,493 --> 00:34:26,813
Speaker 4: assertions or vilification against China out of the Cold War mentality.

728
00:34:26,893 --> 00:34:29,853
Speaker 4: Such acts or against people's will and are doomed to fail.

729
00:34:29,933 --> 00:34:32,213
Speaker 4: They loved exaggerating a few words.

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Speaker 6: In that, don't they have the CCP.

731
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Speaker 2: Kind of so many words, it's kind of like no words,

732
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you say, Simon, I'd.

733
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Speaker 20: Say, contradict some of their recent actions. Yeah, in my opinion,

734
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Speaker 20: I also think that it shouldn't interfere with any trade

735
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Speaker 20: relations with China.

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Speaker 22: Would you see it that way?

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Speaker 2: I mean I would be surprised, That's what I kind

738
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Speaker 2: of mean. None of it's a surprise for them. I

739
00:34:53,813 --> 00:34:56,133
Speaker 2: mean we have already had much closer tized. I mean

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00:34:56,133 --> 00:34:58,973
Speaker 2: we remember five eyes, so a few more, a few

741
00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:05,213
Speaker 2: more FBI agents messing around Wellington. It surely isn't going

742
00:35:05,253 --> 00:35:06,973
Speaker 2: to change things, but it probably would have been helpful

743
00:35:06,973 --> 00:35:11,333
Speaker 2: if Chris Pattel hadn't said countering the CCP. Having said that,

744
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that wasn't an accident.

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Speaker 17: He probably shouldn't have said that.

746
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Speaker 20: But I mean if the FBI end up chucking black

747
00:35:18,093 --> 00:35:20,493
Speaker 20: sex over people's heads and taking off at the airport,

748
00:35:20,733 --> 00:35:22,533
Speaker 20: that could be a good thing too, because some people

749
00:35:22,573 --> 00:35:23,813
Speaker 20: probably shouldn't be here, if you know.

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Speaker 10: What I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, as long as it's not me or

752
00:35:26,293 --> 00:35:28,413
Speaker 2: my family or you Simon, I don't think.

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Speaker 20: I don't think it'll be us.

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Speaker 6: For your listening, please take Matt, I'd love to see that.

755
00:35:31,773 --> 00:35:32,813
Speaker 6: That would be fantastic.

756
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Speaker 20: Well, I actually remember the day's voodoo playing a couple

757
00:35:37,413 --> 00:35:39,413
Speaker 20: of nights viewhere they had They actually looked like the

758
00:35:39,493 --> 00:35:42,172
Speaker 20: FBI with his unglasses on late at night.

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00:35:42,413 --> 00:35:43,133
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.

760
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Speaker 10: We did.

761
00:35:43,453 --> 00:35:45,093
Speaker 3: Used to run a bit of a sort of cool

762
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Speaker 3: spookd vibe.

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Speaker 20: I don't know how you saw anything, but.

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Speaker 10: It looks good.

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Speaker 3: No, it didn't need to say anything. We're probably minding.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for you cool.

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Speaker 4: You're a good man, Thank you very much. It is

768
00:35:57,253 --> 00:35:59,773
Speaker 4: nine to two. How do you feel about the FBI

769
00:36:00,173 --> 00:36:02,212
Speaker 4: getting more of a foothold here in New Zealand? Love

770
00:36:02,253 --> 00:36:04,733
Speaker 4: to get your thoughts back very shortly. You're listening to

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00:36:04,773 --> 00:36:05,733
Speaker 4: Matt and Tyler.

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00:36:06,533 --> 00:36:10,373
Speaker 1: Matties Tyler Adams making your calls on eight hundred eighty.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

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Speaker 6: News Talks EDB. It is six to two. Some good

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00:36:18,853 --> 00:36:19,692
Speaker 6: teach coming through.

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Speaker 2: So how do we benefit from the FBI being present

777
00:36:23,253 --> 00:36:25,373
Speaker 2: in New Zealand? If they are good at fighting drug

778
00:36:25,413 --> 00:36:28,013
Speaker 2: cartel and crime, then how come the US has got

779
00:36:28,013 --> 00:36:29,853
Speaker 2: worse and worse? As far as I'm a weird, China

780
00:36:29,893 --> 00:36:33,172
Speaker 2: has hasn't attacked anyone and we have good trade with him,

781
00:36:33,373 --> 00:36:36,893
Speaker 2: and Foreign Country secret Service should not be present and

782
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:39,693
Speaker 2: if they do so, should Chinese Secret Service be allowed

783
00:36:39,733 --> 00:36:42,733
Speaker 2: as well? FBI also supports proxy wars. We want no

784
00:36:42,813 --> 00:36:45,973
Speaker 2: part of that. A citizen of this country. Where was

785
00:36:46,053 --> 00:36:48,813
Speaker 2: our vote for this regards lex Well, I mean you've

786
00:36:48,973 --> 00:36:52,053
Speaker 2: we've voted successive governments in that have agreed to the

787
00:36:52,053 --> 00:36:56,733
Speaker 2: Five Eyes partnership, but you know, have not attacked anyone.

788
00:36:57,013 --> 00:36:59,613
Speaker 2: I imagine Tibet in South Mongolia might have a few

789
00:36:59,613 --> 00:37:02,933
Speaker 2: words to say about that. Maybe fell on gong Yep

790
00:37:03,573 --> 00:37:09,013
Speaker 2: population of population. Yeah, you know, any protests within China

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Speaker 2: and I like that, you know Teneman Square, Yeah, exactly,

792
00:37:12,653 --> 00:37:16,333
Speaker 2: for example, you know, the suppression of counter revolutionaries. Yeah,

793
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Speaker 2: I mean you wouldn't say that they've been you know,

794
00:37:19,773 --> 00:37:24,253
Speaker 2: because they're not a democracy. We don't hear as much

795
00:37:24,293 --> 00:37:25,933
Speaker 2: of their dirty laundry out in the public.

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00:37:26,013 --> 00:37:27,093
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, nicely said.

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Speaker 4: And to be fair to Judith Collins, before the election,

798
00:37:29,333 --> 00:37:31,813
Speaker 4: she did make a point that it was important that

799
00:37:31,853 --> 00:37:34,973
Speaker 4: we have stronger ties with America. So you know, arguably

800
00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:37,172
Speaker 4: they were voted in as one of those platforms. This

801
00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:39,253
Speaker 4: is a good text. So I was asked out by

802
00:37:39,253 --> 00:37:42,613
Speaker 4: an FBI officer in San Francisco. He left a message

803
00:37:42,653 --> 00:37:44,093
Speaker 4: to call him I'd never met him, but he must

804
00:37:44,093 --> 00:37:45,533
Speaker 4: have seen me when I was hosting a boat at

805
00:37:45,533 --> 00:37:47,613
Speaker 4: a boat show. The message to call him was delivered

806
00:37:47,653 --> 00:37:49,973
Speaker 4: to me on a slip of paper. It was very

807
00:37:50,013 --> 00:37:52,453
Speaker 4: spooky but fascinating at the same time. Pretty sure x

808
00:37:52,493 --> 00:37:55,172
Speaker 4: Hubby wouldn't have been impressed if I'd gone on a date.

809
00:37:55,733 --> 00:37:57,813
Speaker 4: But maybe it was the ex hubby that this chap

810
00:37:57,893 --> 00:37:58,253
Speaker 4: was after.

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Speaker 2: So he was using espionage to nab the lady good Man.

812
00:38:04,293 --> 00:38:07,853
Speaker 6: Wow, it didn't quite work in that scenario. But as

813
00:38:08,773 --> 00:38:09,893
Speaker 6: when single three.

814
00:38:10,693 --> 00:38:14,173
Speaker 3: When the FBI slipping notes, was it written in invisible link.

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00:38:14,093 --> 00:38:15,893
Speaker 6: Some sort of boat show in San Francisco kind of.

816
00:38:15,853 --> 00:38:19,813
Speaker 4: Spy versus situation. Hey, look, if it worked for them,

817
00:38:19,813 --> 00:38:24,293
Speaker 4: I'd say hats off to right a couple more texts

818
00:38:24,333 --> 00:38:26,813
Speaker 4: and then we've got a new topic on the table.

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Speaker 2: The sex is I feel safer with an American FBI

820
00:38:29,013 --> 00:38:34,293
Speaker 2: presence than if it was a communist China presence. I said,

821
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Speaker 2: I just want to express my thoughts the bad move

822
00:38:37,093 --> 00:38:39,613
Speaker 2: having the FBI coming here. What we do here has

823
00:38:39,653 --> 00:38:40,613
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the USA.

824
00:38:40,733 --> 00:38:42,413
Speaker 3: They have their world, we have ours.

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00:38:42,413 --> 00:38:44,692
Speaker 2: They cannot just come and control other countries they think

826
00:38:44,733 --> 00:38:47,613
Speaker 2: they can ye yeah, although it seems likely they've been

827
00:38:47,613 --> 00:38:48,253
Speaker 2: invited here.

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Speaker 22: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, But you know, thank you for your robust chat

830
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Speaker 6: of the last hour. Love that hour.

831
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Speaker 4: I thank you to everybody who phoned and text on

832
00:38:55,693 --> 00:38:58,853
Speaker 4: that right. Coming up after two o'clock a topic that's

833
00:38:58,893 --> 00:39:02,053
Speaker 4: not too far away from what we've kind of been discussing.

834
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Speaker 6: We want to have a chat about tariffs.

835
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Speaker 4: It has been announced the tariff that we will be

836
00:39:07,573 --> 00:39:11,213
Speaker 4: anticipating America. It appears there might be some pushback on there,

837
00:39:11,253 --> 00:39:12,733
Speaker 4: but we want to hear from you. Oh eight hundred

838
00:39:12,733 --> 00:39:14,692
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty. If this is going to affect.

839
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Speaker 2: You, how why did Australia get fifteen percent and we uh, well,

840
00:39:18,693 --> 00:39:20,293
Speaker 2: I mean so why did Australia get ten percent and

841
00:39:20,293 --> 00:39:21,093
Speaker 2: we get fifteen percent?

842
00:39:21,173 --> 00:39:21,373
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:39:21,373 --> 00:39:21,853
Speaker 6: What do we do?

844
00:39:21,973 --> 00:39:23,772
Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So the number

845
00:39:23,773 --> 00:39:25,773
Speaker 4: to call New Sporting Weather on its.

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00:39:25,573 --> 00:39:31,053
Speaker 5: Way talking with you all afternoon.

847
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

848
00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:38,453
Speaker 6: It'd be welcome back into the program. It is seven

849
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Speaker 6: past two.

850
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Speaker 3: You guys got it wrong. Name of the show.

851
00:39:41,733 --> 00:39:45,373
Speaker 2: It's not it's the mad Heath and Roger Adams afternoon,

852
00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:47,813
Speaker 2: people that weren't listening before. I went down to buy

853
00:39:47,813 --> 00:39:50,813
Speaker 2: a coffee for Tyler before and the lovely lady that

854
00:39:50,893 --> 00:39:52,533
Speaker 2: sold it to me and said, is this for you?

855
00:39:52,573 --> 00:39:55,493
Speaker 3: And the guy on the show Roger? She thought your

856
00:39:55,573 --> 00:39:56,093
Speaker 3: name was Roger.

857
00:39:56,133 --> 00:39:57,933
Speaker 2: And the funny thing about that, as I said before,

858
00:39:58,053 --> 00:40:00,653
Speaker 2: was that Tyler was all cock of the hoop about

859
00:40:00,733 --> 00:40:02,493
Speaker 2: when I went down there, saying, they love me, they

860
00:40:02,533 --> 00:40:04,213
Speaker 2: know her, they know they.

861
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Speaker 3: Know our order. Yeah, but how does she get Roger

862
00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:09,333
Speaker 3: from Tyler? It's a long way, long way, Taylor. Maybe

863
00:40:09,493 --> 00:40:10,133
Speaker 3: it's just this.

864
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Speaker 6: Thing me in her hef you know, there's nothing in

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Speaker 6: It's just she calls me Roger. Oh, I call her

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Speaker 6: coffee girl.

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Speaker 3: She calls you for that reason, that was she calls

868
00:40:18,613 --> 00:40:19,893
Speaker 3: you Roger. Oh yeah, anyway, and.

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00:40:19,853 --> 00:40:22,053
Speaker 4: Move on anyway, Right, this is going to be a

870
00:40:22,413 --> 00:40:25,333
Speaker 4: good discussion. We want to have a chat a bit

871
00:40:25,373 --> 00:40:27,973
Speaker 4: the TERRFF situation. So, as we now know, New Zealand

872
00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:30,692
Speaker 4: exports to the US will face a fifteen percent terror

873
00:40:30,773 --> 00:40:33,853
Speaker 4: for right. The White House revealed or revised rather it's

874
00:40:33,933 --> 00:40:36,652
Speaker 4: list of terrrists for particular countries in New Zealand has

875
00:40:36,693 --> 00:40:39,213
Speaker 4: now been put on that fifteen percent base rate, up

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00:40:39,213 --> 00:40:41,733
Speaker 4: from the original ten percent earlier. So Trade Minister Tom

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Speaker 4: McLay he has said that he will attempt to push

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00:40:44,813 --> 00:40:46,173
Speaker 4: back on that fifteen percent.

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00:40:46,413 --> 00:40:48,652
Speaker 6: How he will do that? Do that we yet to hear.

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00:40:48,693 --> 00:40:50,733
Speaker 6: He's got to stand up later this afternoon.

881
00:40:51,133 --> 00:40:53,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we were celebrating that was going to be

882
00:40:53,053 --> 00:40:55,413
Speaker 2: ten percent, although there were some feelings that it might

883
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:57,213
Speaker 2: be fifteen percent. But when you look at it in

884
00:40:57,333 --> 00:41:00,053
Speaker 2: raw terms, that's another one hundred and forty four hundred

885
00:41:00,053 --> 00:41:02,933
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars we've got to find. You know,

886
00:41:02,973 --> 00:41:06,253
Speaker 2: it was around a billion dealing with a ten percent tariff,

887
00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:10,212
Speaker 2: So that's significant for a country that it's struggling economically.

888
00:41:10,573 --> 00:41:12,212
Speaker 2: You know, the only thing that's making us any money

889
00:41:12,253 --> 00:41:16,172
Speaker 2: at the moment is farmers. And you know, as much

890
00:41:16,213 --> 00:41:19,293
Speaker 2: as the US wants our beef, a fifteen percent tariffs

891
00:41:19,293 --> 00:41:20,733
Speaker 2: is not good. But what leverage do we have to

892
00:41:20,773 --> 00:41:24,573
Speaker 2: push back? And as everyone's been saying, Australia got a

893
00:41:24,613 --> 00:41:27,213
Speaker 2: ten percent tariff, why did Australia get a ten percent

894
00:41:27,253 --> 00:41:29,253
Speaker 2: tariff and we get a fifteen percent tariff?

895
00:41:29,493 --> 00:41:29,653
Speaker 8: You know?

896
00:41:29,693 --> 00:41:31,933
Speaker 3: And how serious is all this for exports?

897
00:41:32,093 --> 00:41:32,293
Speaker 13: Yeah?

898
00:41:32,573 --> 00:41:34,733
Speaker 3: So o E one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

899
00:41:34,893 --> 00:41:37,253
Speaker 4: If you're in the export business, we'd love to hear

900
00:41:37,253 --> 00:41:39,573
Speaker 4: from you. How do you feel about this extra five percent?

901
00:41:40,293 --> 00:41:42,573
Speaker 4: Are you worried about it? We're really keen to get

902
00:41:42,613 --> 00:41:44,853
Speaker 4: your thoughts about the calculations. I've got to say, Tom

903
00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:47,533
Speaker 4: McClay did expect it might be fifteen percent. But for

904
00:41:47,573 --> 00:41:48,933
Speaker 4: a lot of people out there, as you say, that's

905
00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:51,373
Speaker 4: a lot of money that's going to be added to

906
00:41:51,973 --> 00:41:54,093
Speaker 4: a country that's ready struggling a bit.

907
00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:58,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, can Tod McLay and Winston Peters go hey, yeah, yeah,

908
00:41:58,773 --> 00:42:03,733
Speaker 3: you know that that whole Christ Battelkan situation with the FBI,

909
00:42:04,293 --> 00:42:07,253
Speaker 3: a new office setting up, you know, increased presents.

910
00:42:07,373 --> 00:42:09,613
Speaker 6: It's worth at least five they're worth five percent five

911
00:42:09,613 --> 00:42:10,293
Speaker 6: percent discount.

912
00:42:10,373 --> 00:42:10,533
Speaker 12: Yeah.

913
00:42:10,573 --> 00:42:12,973
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

914
00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:15,172
Speaker 4: Love to hear your thoughts on this, particularly if you're

915
00:42:15,173 --> 00:42:21,213
Speaker 4: an exporter. It is nine past two.

916
00:42:19,733 --> 00:42:23,933
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons

917
00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:26,933
Speaker 1: call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk.

918
00:42:26,773 --> 00:42:27,133
Speaker 5: Said, be.

919
00:42:29,253 --> 00:42:30,853
Speaker 6: Afternoon. It is twelve past two.

920
00:42:30,893 --> 00:42:32,893
Speaker 4: So as we now know, New Zealand exports to the

921
00:42:33,053 --> 00:42:35,733
Speaker 4: US will face a fifteen percent terror for eight It

922
00:42:35,813 --> 00:42:38,133
Speaker 4: was announced this morning by the White House they revise

923
00:42:38,213 --> 00:42:41,053
Speaker 4: its list of terrors for particular countries, and we have

924
00:42:41,173 --> 00:42:42,973
Speaker 4: gone from ten percent to fifteen percent.

925
00:42:43,013 --> 00:42:45,133
Speaker 6: So does this effect affect you? Oh, eight hundred and

926
00:42:45,133 --> 00:42:45,773
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty.

927
00:42:45,973 --> 00:42:48,053
Speaker 2: I love that Tom McClay saying they're going to push

928
00:42:48,053 --> 00:42:50,373
Speaker 2: back on this. I wonder what our leverage is, you know,

929
00:42:50,413 --> 00:42:53,133
Speaker 2: and how hard you can push back against the US

930
00:42:53,653 --> 00:42:56,253
Speaker 2: before they just go twenty twenty five thirty.

931
00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:58,413
Speaker 6: You got to be careful. You've got to be very careful.

932
00:42:59,413 --> 00:43:00,293
Speaker 6: We're getting a few texts.

933
00:43:00,293 --> 00:43:03,453
Speaker 3: Be let's go, Chris, Hello, Chris, welcome to the show.

934
00:43:04,773 --> 00:43:06,573
Speaker 23: Oh good, Matte, GOODO. Roger, how are you?

935
00:43:06,973 --> 00:43:08,333
Speaker 6: I'm very good, mate, very good.

936
00:43:09,213 --> 00:43:09,893
Speaker 10: What do you call that?

937
00:43:10,053 --> 00:43:11,613
Speaker 23: Sorry?

938
00:43:11,773 --> 00:43:13,853
Speaker 6: Asure? You can call me Roger as well, mate, Roger.

939
00:43:13,933 --> 00:43:15,853
Speaker 3: Rogers is a good name. You should go with it.

940
00:43:15,933 --> 00:43:18,333
Speaker 4: So the coffee gal calls me Roger, Chris calls me Roger.

941
00:43:18,373 --> 00:43:19,053
Speaker 4: It's gonna stick.

942
00:43:19,413 --> 00:43:23,413
Speaker 23: Yeah, Now, tariff tariff is the kind of this is

943
00:43:23,773 --> 00:43:27,333
Speaker 23: ruined the day, ruin the week. This announcement today, not

944
00:43:27,533 --> 00:43:30,853
Speaker 23: just the fifteen percent growth, you know, larger than ten percent,

945
00:43:30,933 --> 00:43:33,133
Speaker 23: but where we're a small export. In fact, talk to

946
00:43:33,173 --> 00:43:35,973
Speaker 23: you guys before the company was called kind Faith.

947
00:43:36,133 --> 00:43:39,293
Speaker 2: Ah, do not it's this Chris, Yeah, great New Zealander.

948
00:43:39,493 --> 00:43:41,773
Speaker 2: I use your products you called do Not Disturb.

949
00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:44,613
Speaker 23: Make you well, you're a great New Zealander too. That's right,

950
00:43:44,653 --> 00:43:47,013
Speaker 23: do not Disturb Sleep company. That's the new brand. And

951
00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:50,693
Speaker 23: we make pillows, dovets, sleep masks. Use the New Zealand

952
00:43:50,693 --> 00:43:51,732
Speaker 23: wool or Wise wool.

953
00:43:52,293 --> 00:43:55,093
Speaker 2: I use look, Chris, I use all of those. I

954
00:43:55,213 --> 00:43:57,533
Speaker 2: use the masks, I use the pillows, and I use

955
00:43:57,613 --> 00:44:00,053
Speaker 2: the I use the dovet. I even use a doorstop

956
00:44:00,053 --> 00:44:00,692
Speaker 2: that you guys make.

957
00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:03,493
Speaker 23: You've got to stop that, Max. Then you will probably

958
00:44:03,493 --> 00:44:04,853
Speaker 23: send me a bill for giving me a shout out

959
00:44:04,893 --> 00:44:05,373
Speaker 23: on the radio.

960
00:44:05,453 --> 00:44:05,573
Speaker 15: Bit.

961
00:44:06,573 --> 00:44:07,693
Speaker 23: But thank you, thank you for you.

962
00:44:07,893 --> 00:44:10,933
Speaker 3: Okay, so you explored. I am very well. Thank you.

963
00:44:11,453 --> 00:44:14,413
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking. You export quite a bit to

964
00:44:14,453 --> 00:44:15,213
Speaker 2: the States, do you.

965
00:44:16,413 --> 00:44:18,813
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, we've so, we've been running about three years

966
00:44:18,853 --> 00:44:21,533
Speaker 23: or so our sleep products under Conface brand, and we

967
00:44:21,573 --> 00:44:24,093
Speaker 23: have a Shopify website. We don't do any marketing, never

968
00:44:24,133 --> 00:44:26,453
Speaker 23: spend per cent marketing to the States, but we've ended

969
00:44:26,493 --> 00:44:30,133
Speaker 23: up shipping orders to direct to customers in over thirty

970
00:44:30,173 --> 00:44:32,613
Speaker 23: states in the last three years, and that's just through

971
00:44:32,693 --> 00:44:36,973
Speaker 23: like organic search. People are looking for natural, premium sleep

972
00:44:36,973 --> 00:44:39,333
Speaker 23: products that help them sleep better, big big issue in

973
00:44:39,333 --> 00:44:42,133
Speaker 23: the States to sleep. And when we sort of rebranded

974
00:44:42,133 --> 00:44:44,213
Speaker 23: relaunch or launch, do not distir, we thought, right in

975
00:44:44,213 --> 00:44:46,773
Speaker 23: the USA, it's our market. We're going to market, we're

976
00:44:46,813 --> 00:44:49,732
Speaker 23: going to target to grow. They love our products, they're

977
00:44:49,733 --> 00:44:52,333
Speaker 23: happy with the price that they're you know, we're currently

978
00:44:52,333 --> 00:44:54,893
Speaker 23: making them selling them for, and we can get them

979
00:44:54,933 --> 00:44:59,213
Speaker 23: there duty free or tara free because there's this deminimous

980
00:44:59,533 --> 00:45:03,053
Speaker 23: rule as well when you ship direct to consumers the customer,

981
00:45:03,533 --> 00:45:05,133
Speaker 23: and so we were able to send products there for

982
00:45:05,293 --> 00:45:08,533
Speaker 23: up to US eight hundred dollars in an order with

983
00:45:08,573 --> 00:45:12,172
Speaker 23: no tariffs at all. So when knew at some point

984
00:45:12,293 --> 00:45:15,652
Speaker 23: that mister Trump was going to probably stop that from

985
00:45:15,693 --> 00:45:18,333
Speaker 23: New Zealand and other countries sending their duty free, and

986
00:45:18,373 --> 00:45:20,813
Speaker 23: he's actually made that decision from the end of August,

987
00:45:20,893 --> 00:45:22,573
Speaker 23: so all of a sudden, it's going bang, we're going

988
00:45:22,613 --> 00:45:27,013
Speaker 23: to be it's charged fifteen percent on top of anything

989
00:45:27,013 --> 00:45:30,373
Speaker 23: that goes across the border direct to the consumer or

990
00:45:30,373 --> 00:45:33,293
Speaker 23: the customer. And it also gets really complex and how

991
00:45:33,373 --> 00:45:35,773
Speaker 23: we pay that, how we document.

992
00:45:35,773 --> 00:45:37,413
Speaker 3: At what point is that paid that.

993
00:45:39,173 --> 00:45:41,013
Speaker 23: From the best of my knowledge, we've been lucky up

994
00:45:41,013 --> 00:45:43,733
Speaker 23: till now. We haven't had to pay anything. It happens

995
00:45:43,773 --> 00:45:47,373
Speaker 23: at the border. But when you use shipping international f

996
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:51,053
Speaker 23: right comanies like FedEx and DHL and ended posts, you

997
00:45:51,093 --> 00:45:54,613
Speaker 23: can prepay, you can pay as you can sign your order,

998
00:45:54,773 --> 00:45:58,133
Speaker 23: or you can actually shopify the clever website platform. You

999
00:45:58,133 --> 00:46:00,413
Speaker 23: can actually have it so that the client pays at

1000
00:46:00,413 --> 00:46:02,212
Speaker 23: the other end of the customer and they know that

1001
00:46:02,533 --> 00:46:05,053
Speaker 23: when they're looking to buy, and they're like, Okay, they've

1002
00:46:05,093 --> 00:46:07,053
Speaker 23: got to pay the tariff, but you've just got to

1003
00:46:07,053 --> 00:46:10,013
Speaker 23: make it very very clear what that tariff is. And

1004
00:46:10,053 --> 00:46:12,453
Speaker 23: then they would get an email when the when the

1005
00:46:12,493 --> 00:46:14,813
Speaker 23: product crosses the border or hit the you know lands

1006
00:46:14,813 --> 00:46:17,773
Speaker 23: and customs there, they give an emails and UoS, you know,

1007
00:46:17,933 --> 00:46:19,973
Speaker 23: fifty dollars on a whatever, it's going to be a

1008
00:46:20,013 --> 00:46:23,773
Speaker 23: five hundred dollars order. Can't calculate while I'm driving, like

1009
00:46:23,853 --> 00:46:26,613
Speaker 23: pull over and have an app but no, it's it's

1010
00:46:26,733 --> 00:46:29,333
Speaker 23: it's from fifteen percent adds like our average order value

1011
00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:31,373
Speaker 23: to the States would be two one hundred and fifty

1012
00:46:31,373 --> 00:46:34,573
Speaker 23: three hundred US dollars, So it adds, you know, forty

1013
00:46:34,573 --> 00:46:36,573
Speaker 23: five dollars to that order, and.

1014
00:46:37,213 --> 00:46:41,013
Speaker 3: Will you have the leeway to charge the American customer

1015
00:46:41,413 --> 00:46:42,853
Speaker 3: more or will you have to wear that?

1016
00:46:44,133 --> 00:46:46,253
Speaker 23: So we're going to test that. I mean, I believe

1017
00:46:46,413 --> 00:46:51,053
Speaker 23: they will pay it because currently the USA customers don't

1018
00:46:51,133 --> 00:46:53,933
Speaker 23: usually activate the you know, the good old subscribe now

1019
00:46:54,013 --> 00:46:56,692
Speaker 23: save ten percent fifteen percent discounts that everyone does when

1020
00:46:56,693 --> 00:47:00,053
Speaker 23: you buy online. The USA customers don't do that. They

1021
00:47:00,053 --> 00:47:04,013
Speaker 23: pay full retail, which is great. And we also people

1022
00:47:04,013 --> 00:47:06,973
Speaker 23: know this. We don't have to pay GST on export orders,

1023
00:47:07,133 --> 00:47:09,813
Speaker 23: so if someone spends two hundred US, we don't have

1024
00:47:09,853 --> 00:47:13,693
Speaker 23: to pay fifteen percent of that is GST back to

1025
00:47:13,733 --> 00:47:18,013
Speaker 23: the New Zealand government and we usually use that to

1026
00:47:18,093 --> 00:47:20,413
Speaker 23: offset the cost of shipping because the cost of shipping

1027
00:47:20,453 --> 00:47:23,493
Speaker 23: right state is ridiculous. So you don't want to scare

1028
00:47:23,533 --> 00:47:25,613
Speaker 23: your customer way by saying, hey, to buy these do

1029
00:47:25,733 --> 00:47:28,973
Speaker 23: not deserve wall pillows. That's one hundred and fifty dollars freight,

1030
00:47:30,413 --> 00:47:32,533
Speaker 23: so you're kind of charging forty dollars freight, and then

1031
00:47:32,533 --> 00:47:34,413
Speaker 23: you use some of the GST to pay the difference.

1032
00:47:34,453 --> 00:47:37,212
Speaker 23: And anyway, it's all of a complex, but for us,

1033
00:47:37,253 --> 00:47:40,613
Speaker 23: we know that we're making a high performing sleep product

1034
00:47:40,653 --> 00:47:43,333
Speaker 23: from natural materials that's premium. You can't get it anywhere

1035
00:47:43,373 --> 00:47:45,733
Speaker 23: else in the world. No one else has the quality

1036
00:47:45,733 --> 00:47:47,973
Speaker 23: of wall that we source from Wise Wall, So we

1037
00:47:48,093 --> 00:47:52,293
Speaker 23: believe they will still they'll pay the extra fifteen percent

1038
00:47:52,293 --> 00:47:54,053
Speaker 23: because they will want the best all the type of

1039
00:47:54,253 --> 00:47:58,933
Speaker 23: customer that we're targeting will want the best product, so

1040
00:47:58,973 --> 00:48:01,373
Speaker 23: they'll pay that little bit more. We might have to

1041
00:48:01,373 --> 00:48:03,733
Speaker 23: give up some margin. My concern more is that the

1042
00:48:03,773 --> 00:48:07,252
Speaker 23: border changes and the paperwork requirements and all that gets

1043
00:48:07,293 --> 00:48:10,893
Speaker 23: a lot more complex, time wasting or time consuming.

1044
00:48:11,653 --> 00:48:14,693
Speaker 2: And does the exchange rate help. I mean, the exchange

1045
00:48:14,733 --> 00:48:16,813
Speaker 2: rate is already helping you to a certain extent, but

1046
00:48:17,293 --> 00:48:19,653
Speaker 2: that's sort of from an American perspective.

1047
00:48:20,973 --> 00:48:24,013
Speaker 23: That definitely does help. When we do a market research

1048
00:48:24,013 --> 00:48:25,533
Speaker 23: there and you know, what they might pay for an

1049
00:48:25,573 --> 00:48:29,013
Speaker 23: American made, American wall pillow ours is actually the same

1050
00:48:29,053 --> 00:48:31,692
Speaker 23: price in the US dollars. It's really cool. So it's

1051
00:48:31,693 --> 00:48:33,252
Speaker 23: just that freight cost. And if we're going to add

1052
00:48:33,253 --> 00:48:37,013
Speaker 23: anything else to it, but the exchange rate can fluctuate,

1053
00:48:37,413 --> 00:48:40,213
Speaker 23: we might have to look at sending palette loads of

1054
00:48:40,253 --> 00:48:44,533
Speaker 23: product over there, and you know, using third party distribution

1055
00:48:44,613 --> 00:48:46,893
Speaker 23: and logistics. But I've looked into that lately and that's

1056
00:48:46,933 --> 00:48:49,493
Speaker 23: all gone crazy because of the rest of the world's

1057
00:48:49,493 --> 00:48:50,333
Speaker 23: trying to do that too.

1058
00:48:50,853 --> 00:48:55,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, yeah you Tyler Roger.

1059
00:48:57,733 --> 00:48:58,813
Speaker 6: Oh that's me. Yeah, that's right.

1060
00:48:58,813 --> 00:49:01,613
Speaker 4: My name's Roger. Now sorry, now, Chris, this is a

1061
00:49:01,653 --> 00:49:04,173
Speaker 4: great insight, mate. This might be an unfair question, but

1062
00:49:04,373 --> 00:49:06,413
Speaker 4: Todd McClay said he's going to try and push back

1063
00:49:06,413 --> 00:49:10,253
Speaker 4: and negotiate. Have you got any thoughts about how successful

1064
00:49:10,333 --> 00:49:10,893
Speaker 4: that may be?

1065
00:49:13,093 --> 00:49:16,453
Speaker 23: No, I guess the difference between ten and fifteen for

1066
00:49:16,773 --> 00:49:19,652
Speaker 23: us when we're coming from a really small base. We're

1067
00:49:19,653 --> 00:49:22,573
Speaker 23: just a young company, thankfully growing and these tough times

1068
00:49:22,573 --> 00:49:26,253
Speaker 23: a recessiant. It's not a big not a big slice.

1069
00:49:26,613 --> 00:49:28,653
Speaker 23: I understand, you know from the from the big players

1070
00:49:28,653 --> 00:49:31,733
Speaker 23: out there it is, But I would still like it

1071
00:49:31,773 --> 00:49:34,853
Speaker 23: to be ten percent, mainly because our direct competitors like

1072
00:49:34,853 --> 00:49:37,333
Speaker 23: Australia and I think the UK are on ten percent

1073
00:49:37,373 --> 00:49:40,293
Speaker 23: as well, so they ship a lot of wall products

1074
00:49:40,293 --> 00:49:44,733
Speaker 23: from Australia and the UK to the US. So it

1075
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:47,853
Speaker 23: would be great if we're on the same level playing field.

1076
00:49:48,493 --> 00:49:49,773
Speaker 23: But I think we've just got to we've got to

1077
00:49:49,773 --> 00:49:53,373
Speaker 23: back ourselves known that we've got the best product, better

1078
00:49:53,413 --> 00:49:55,853
Speaker 23: than those competitors, and we're worth it. So now we're

1079
00:49:55,853 --> 00:49:57,893
Speaker 23: actually going to you know, maybe Matt and we have

1080
00:49:57,893 --> 00:49:58,773
Speaker 23: to have a chat off air.

1081
00:49:58,893 --> 00:49:59,053
Speaker 10: Something.

1082
00:49:59,173 --> 00:50:00,853
Speaker 23: Might need you to do some marketing for us in the.

1083
00:50:00,933 --> 00:50:02,933
Speaker 3: US if you can, I'm happy to fly over there

1084
00:50:03,013 --> 00:50:05,253
Speaker 3: for you, and you know, fly the flat.

1085
00:50:05,093 --> 00:50:08,013
Speaker 23: No no, no start up budget, start up budget.

1086
00:50:08,333 --> 00:50:14,893
Speaker 3: You forget about old Roger as well, Ris Roger, Roger's

1087
00:50:14,933 --> 00:50:19,533
Speaker 3: disease as well. So question stream just before you go,

1088
00:50:19,613 --> 00:50:21,373
Speaker 3: good on you. Your attitude's fantastic.

1089
00:50:21,493 --> 00:50:23,652
Speaker 2: You just get I mean, the obstacle is the way

1090
00:50:23,733 --> 00:50:26,293
Speaker 2: I mean, you could be angry about it, but that

1091
00:50:26,373 --> 00:50:27,973
Speaker 2: doesn't change things, doesn't it. You have to deal with

1092
00:50:28,053 --> 00:50:30,173
Speaker 2: what is put in front of you and as a

1093
00:50:30,293 --> 00:50:33,053
Speaker 2: as a businessman, and am my your attitude on that.

1094
00:50:33,253 --> 00:50:35,333
Speaker 2: But speaking of which, we can't let you go without

1095
00:50:35,333 --> 00:50:35,812
Speaker 2: another plug.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, this where it's computing right now, it's still under

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Speaker 23: as I finished building the website, Matt, so in Roger,

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Speaker 23: that's going to be this weekend if I if I

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Speaker 23: find some time in between kids support. But that's another

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Speaker 23: another hat that you wear as a small business owner.

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Speaker 23: But now the official launch date but do not Disturb

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Speaker 23: you go now and your Google kind Face or your

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Speaker 23: Google do not Disturb, you'll end up at the same website.

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Speaker 23: We're just a small, small family business based in Avondale

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Speaker 23: and Auckland, make all our own products and sell them online.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, good on you, Chris. Now you can make

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Speaker 3: great products. Definitely helping with my sleep, So help them out.

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00:51:19,933 --> 00:51:24,093
Speaker 3: A sea fights the good fight. Exporting into the United States.

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Speaker 4: They're good people. Kindface dot co dot n Z right,

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Speaker 4: we want to hear from you. If you're an exporter

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00:51:28,493 --> 00:51:31,053
Speaker 4: in New Zealand. How are you feeling about the fifteen

1117
00:51:31,173 --> 00:51:34,013
Speaker 4: percent tariffs? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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00:51:34,093 --> 00:51:35,453
Speaker 4: number to call twenty one pass.

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Speaker 1: Two, matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 6: Very good afternoon.

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00:51:46,293 --> 00:51:49,133
Speaker 4: We are talking about the fifteen percent tariffs and the

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00:51:49,173 --> 00:51:52,133
Speaker 4: announcement from the White House this morning on those revised numbers.

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00:51:52,173 --> 00:51:54,373
Speaker 4: That's gone from ten to fifteen percent. So what does

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00:51:54,413 --> 00:51:56,253
Speaker 4: this mean for you if you are an export? Oh

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00:51:56,293 --> 00:51:57,973
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighteen eighty see number to call.

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00:51:58,093 --> 00:52:01,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a supplementary question, why did Australia get ten

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00:52:01,813 --> 00:52:04,213
Speaker 2: percent and we got fifteen percent?

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00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:08,173
Speaker 3: What Brett's says, they bought nuclear submarines.

1130
00:52:08,533 --> 00:52:10,853
Speaker 6: It's a good point. Yeah, we just need to buy

1131
00:52:10,933 --> 00:52:12,133
Speaker 6: some I mengular subs.

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00:52:13,293 --> 00:52:16,173
Speaker 2: America looks at the balance of payments and you know

1133
00:52:16,813 --> 00:52:18,573
Speaker 2: it's so close with New Zealand. If we bought a

1134
00:52:18,613 --> 00:52:21,093
Speaker 2: couple of Boeings then we'd probably leave it up.

1135
00:52:21,413 --> 00:52:23,253
Speaker 6: Yeah, we need and we need a few more Boeings.

1136
00:52:24,053 --> 00:52:24,373
Speaker 6: How are you?

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00:52:25,413 --> 00:52:27,373
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm well, guys, how are you very good?

1138
00:52:27,413 --> 00:52:29,013
Speaker 6: And what's your thoughts about the teriffs?

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00:52:29,973 --> 00:52:30,172
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1140
00:52:30,213 --> 00:52:33,573
Speaker 10: Okay, So I'm not an exporter, so it's sort of

1141
00:52:33,653 --> 00:52:37,533
Speaker 10: easier for me to say I don't think we will

1142
00:52:37,613 --> 00:52:40,173
Speaker 10: have a huge impact. We should have support that we

1143
00:52:42,893 --> 00:52:47,813
Speaker 10: export premium quality goods, and I'm sure that is the case,

1144
00:52:48,053 --> 00:52:53,413
Speaker 10: and those markets generally won't walk away from those goods.

1145
00:52:54,173 --> 00:52:56,413
Speaker 10: I mean, let's say so they they'd be great products.

1146
00:52:56,453 --> 00:52:59,333
Speaker 10: For the most part. I don't know exactly everything we

1147
00:52:59,493 --> 00:53:02,013
Speaker 10: export to the States. But you know it's going to

1148
00:53:02,053 --> 00:53:06,773
Speaker 10: be the good stuff and people aren't going to quibble over.

1149
00:53:07,973 --> 00:53:09,413
Speaker 10: But I guess a little extra.

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00:53:09,573 --> 00:53:11,773
Speaker 2: I guess the problem is to Tim, if Australia is

1151
00:53:12,293 --> 00:53:14,732
Speaker 2: selling some good stuff and we're planning selling some good

1152
00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:16,773
Speaker 2: stuff and they have a choice between the good stuff,

1153
00:53:17,173 --> 00:53:19,053
Speaker 2: aren't they going to go with the ten percent not

1154
00:53:19,133 --> 00:53:19,893
Speaker 2: the fifteen percent?

1155
00:53:20,893 --> 00:53:21,093
Speaker 24: Yeah?

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00:53:21,133 --> 00:53:24,772
Speaker 10: It is is probably better, and I'm not just being

1157
00:53:24,813 --> 00:53:27,413
Speaker 10: a dick about that. But you know what would rather

1158
00:53:27,533 --> 00:53:32,013
Speaker 10: have a New Zealand grown piece of beef or an

1159
00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:35,053
Speaker 10: Ausi grown piece of beef out in a dirty, bloody, dusty.

1160
00:53:34,813 --> 00:53:38,613
Speaker 3: Well, if you ask me, Tim, definitely the New Zealand growth. Absolutely.

1161
00:53:38,933 --> 00:53:40,373
Speaker 3: And so you think that's the way we do it.

1162
00:53:40,693 --> 00:53:41,533
Speaker 3: This is the situation.

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00:53:41,773 --> 00:53:43,573
Speaker 2: Whatever we end up with, maybe we can push back

1164
00:53:43,613 --> 00:53:45,973
Speaker 2: and get ten percent, maybe it'll start fifteen percent, whateverver

1165
00:53:46,053 --> 00:53:47,893
Speaker 2: it is, we just have to back ourselves to make

1166
00:53:48,373 --> 00:53:53,093
Speaker 2: products so good that it offsets the extra cost to

1167
00:53:53,133 --> 00:53:54,253
Speaker 2: the Americans.

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00:53:55,333 --> 00:53:58,653
Speaker 10: Yeah. Plus, we need to well not us individually, but

1169
00:53:58,893 --> 00:54:01,813
Speaker 10: the government where the government is at the time. We

1170
00:54:01,973 --> 00:54:05,173
Speaker 10: need to become a bit of friends. We need to

1171
00:54:05,213 --> 00:54:08,172
Speaker 10: look at what we can do for America as well.

1172
00:54:09,693 --> 00:54:11,413
Speaker 10: This is what this is all about. There's what he's

1173
00:54:11,453 --> 00:54:15,013
Speaker 10: tariffs are all about. People have been taking the mickey

1174
00:54:15,093 --> 00:54:21,493
Speaker 10: out of America for a long time and basically you know,

1175
00:54:21,653 --> 00:54:27,053
Speaker 10: being not not on even playing field with them. So,

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00:54:27,573 --> 00:54:29,253
Speaker 10: you know, if we need to make a few tweaks

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Speaker 10: in terms of spending on defense, maybe you look at

1178
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Speaker 10: rolling back a few policies we've introduced in the past. Uh,

1179
00:54:40,253 --> 00:54:44,013
Speaker 10: you know, Asia specific regions changing and needs shoring up

1180
00:54:44,013 --> 00:54:47,692
Speaker 10: a little bit. We're very friendly with China and that's

1181
00:54:47,733 --> 00:54:49,653
Speaker 10: a great thing. We should be able to be friends

1182
00:54:49,693 --> 00:54:53,653
Speaker 10: with whoever we want. But let's not forget our friends.

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00:54:53,933 --> 00:54:55,652
Speaker 10: You never want to forget your friends.

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Speaker 5: You know who.

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00:54:57,333 --> 00:55:01,013
Speaker 10: Who've showed us up in the past. You know, pumped

1186
00:55:01,013 --> 00:55:05,373
Speaker 10: infrastructure into this country, you know, around the Second World.

1187
00:55:05,253 --> 00:55:09,373
Speaker 2: War, like the Featherston town hall thrown up by the

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00:55:09,813 --> 00:55:12,453
Speaker 2: American troops, a fantastic town hall, good times.

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Speaker 10: A little more hospital, you know, things like that. So

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00:55:15,373 --> 00:55:17,533
Speaker 10: I know there was then, but yeah, just not to

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00:55:17,613 --> 00:55:18,533
Speaker 10: get our old friends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got on your tim thank you for your call.

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00:55:22,733 --> 00:55:26,333
Speaker 2: Just got back from the gold Case Coast and big

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00:55:26,493 --> 00:55:29,093
Speaker 2: news there was the trade deal they made with the USA.

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00:55:29,813 --> 00:55:32,293
Speaker 2: American beef will hit the Aussie market under the deal,

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00:55:32,333 --> 00:55:35,253
Speaker 2: and farmers are passed off. Big fears South American beef

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Speaker 2: will find its way in associated with diseases day night.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is interesting. I mean if it's part of

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Speaker 6: the deal.

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Speaker 3: Well, the US herds.

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00:55:44,573 --> 00:55:47,893
Speaker 2: Massively truncated at the moment, which is why they're buying

1202
00:55:47,933 --> 00:55:51,453
Speaker 2: so much New Zealand meat, so that they're not actually

1203
00:55:51,493 --> 00:55:54,293
Speaker 2: growing enough beef in America to fulfill their need for

1204
00:55:54,453 --> 00:55:58,453
Speaker 2: burgers meat. There's a huge need for burgers in America.

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Speaker 6: Yep, good advantage for us.

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00:56:00,013 --> 00:56:01,653
Speaker 3: Just look at your average America exactly.

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00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:04,613
Speaker 6: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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00:56:05,213 --> 00:56:06,013
Speaker 6: This could text to here.

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Speaker 4: Hi, guys, we import some machinery and having award some cars,

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00:56:09,133 --> 00:56:11,653
Speaker 4: we pay up to ten percent tariffs plus fifteen percent

1211
00:56:11,733 --> 00:56:15,613
Speaker 4: GST on price, insurance and freight. Fifteen percent is cheap

1212
00:56:15,693 --> 00:56:17,373
Speaker 4: for exporters, so they're actually happy.

1213
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Speaker 3: Could you read that again?

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00:56:18,453 --> 00:56:18,652
Speaker 10: Sorry?

1215
00:56:18,773 --> 00:56:20,813
Speaker 4: Yeah, we import so Roger I zoned out, and we

1216
00:56:20,933 --> 00:56:24,373
Speaker 4: import some machinery and have imported some cars. We pay

1217
00:56:24,493 --> 00:56:28,253
Speaker 4: up to ten percent tariffs plus fifteen percent GST on price,

1218
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:31,772
Speaker 4: insurance and freight. Yeah, so fifteen percent is actually cheap.

1219
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:34,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people act like tariffs are a brand

1220
00:56:34,653 --> 00:56:36,573
Speaker 2: new thing that Trump invented. But you know, as we

1221
00:56:36,653 --> 00:56:39,053
Speaker 2: keep saying on the show, you know, we took Canada

1222
00:56:39,133 --> 00:56:42,253
Speaker 2: to the World Trade Court, didn't we because they were

1223
00:56:42,533 --> 00:56:43,813
Speaker 2: punishing us with tariffs.

1224
00:56:43,853 --> 00:56:46,013
Speaker 6: They did not treat us well, those polite Canadians.

1225
00:56:46,093 --> 00:56:47,973
Speaker 2: Oh well, And that's part of the thing is we

1226
00:56:48,053 --> 00:56:50,813
Speaker 2: have such good products and we're so good at growing.

1227
00:56:52,253 --> 00:56:54,853
Speaker 2: Our primary sector is so incredibly efficient and good that

1228
00:56:54,933 --> 00:56:56,733
Speaker 2: people are scared to leave our stuff in there, and

1229
00:56:56,813 --> 00:56:58,533
Speaker 2: so often we are getting whacked with tariffs.

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Speaker 6: Good point.

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00:56:59,493 --> 00:57:01,692
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for example, absolutely, oh, one hundred and eighty

1232
00:57:01,733 --> 00:57:04,973
Speaker 4: ten eightyc number to call it is twenty nine past two.

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Speaker 18: Jus talk said headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no

1234
00:57:11,493 --> 00:57:14,613
Speaker 18: trouble with a blue bubble. The government's attempting to get

1235
00:57:14,773 --> 00:57:17,893
Speaker 18: US officials on the phone. In an effort to push

1236
00:57:18,013 --> 00:57:21,933
Speaker 18: back against tariffs. President Donald Trump is imposing a fifteen

1237
00:57:22,013 --> 00:57:25,933
Speaker 18: percent based tariff on New Zealand goods, increasing from ten percent.

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Speaker 18: Police have launched an investigation after a three month baby

1239
00:57:30,613 --> 00:57:33,693
Speaker 18: girl was critically injured in Mastered in a week ago

1240
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Speaker 18: with non accidental injuries. The baby remains in a critical

1241
00:57:37,893 --> 00:57:42,333
Speaker 18: condition in Auckland Starship Hospital Police. Someone knows what happened.

1242
00:57:43,333 --> 00:57:46,933
Speaker 18: The national tsunami advisory, issued following a major earthquake off

1243
00:57:47,013 --> 00:57:50,733
Speaker 18: the east coast of Russia is now canceled. Civil Defense

1244
00:57:50,773 --> 00:57:55,653
Speaker 18: says the tsunami activity around New Zealand's coastlines has significantly decreased.

1245
00:57:56,653 --> 00:57:59,933
Speaker 18: New Zealand First wants New Zealand to be legislated as

1246
00:58:00,013 --> 00:58:03,853
Speaker 18: the official geographic name of the country. It's launched a

1247
00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:07,133
Speaker 18: members bill confirming New Zealand is the country's official name.

1248
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:11,333
Speaker 18: Building consentsor officially on the rise for the first time

1249
00:58:11,533 --> 00:58:15,653
Speaker 18: in two years. What to watch out for this reporting season.

1250
00:58:16,013 --> 00:58:18,973
Speaker 18: Read this and more from stock Takes at NSID Herald Premium.

1251
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Speaker 18: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Railian.

1253
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Speaker 4: So we are talking about the tariff, says, We now

1254
00:58:24,613 --> 00:58:26,693
Speaker 4: know New Zealand exports to the US will face the

1255
00:58:26,773 --> 00:58:29,773
Speaker 4: fifteen percent tariff, right that is above the ten percent

1256
00:58:29,853 --> 00:58:32,333
Speaker 4: baseline that we were at. We will find out a

1257
00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:35,493
Speaker 4: little bit later this afternoon or hear from Trade Minister

1258
00:58:35,573 --> 00:58:38,453
Speaker 4: Todd McLay. He has said that he hopes to negotiate

1259
00:58:38,493 --> 00:58:40,053
Speaker 4: and push back on those tariffs, but how does this

1260
00:58:40,133 --> 00:58:41,773
Speaker 4: affect you? Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties

1261
00:58:41,813 --> 00:58:42,213
Speaker 4: a number to.

1262
00:58:42,213 --> 00:58:44,493
Speaker 2: Call this Texas says, I don't agree with term your

1263
00:58:44,533 --> 00:58:47,013
Speaker 2: previous caller. It's definitely going to affect our meat industry.

1264
00:58:47,093 --> 00:58:50,413
Speaker 2: The Aussies are fierce when it comes to hard nosed negotiations.

1265
00:58:51,133 --> 00:58:55,213
Speaker 2: They only ever want to win. I mean, it's definitely true.

1266
00:58:55,213 --> 00:58:58,173
Speaker 2: When you've done business with Australians like I have, they

1267
00:58:58,253 --> 00:59:02,213
Speaker 2: do business they're way more hardcore, very competitive. Yeah, more

1268
00:59:02,253 --> 00:59:04,533
Speaker 2: direct though, yeah, I mean some of the problems with

1269
00:59:04,613 --> 00:59:05,773
Speaker 2: New Zealand businesses the.

1270
00:59:07,413 --> 00:59:08,293
Speaker 3: Failure to say yes.

1271
00:59:08,493 --> 00:59:09,573
Speaker 6: No, are we too nice?

1272
00:59:09,933 --> 00:59:10,693
Speaker 3: You we're too nice?

1273
00:59:10,733 --> 00:59:12,493
Speaker 6: It's got to be a bit more. Yeah, go for

1274
00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:13,533
Speaker 6: the jugular so you can.

1275
00:59:13,493 --> 00:59:15,493
Speaker 2: Get bled dry with it with not getting a no,

1276
00:59:15,733 --> 00:59:18,453
Speaker 2: just going oh yeah, make you anyway. Yeah, that's a

1277
00:59:18,573 --> 00:59:21,573
Speaker 2: totally different issue. Now, Sean, welcome to the show. You're

1278
00:59:21,573 --> 00:59:23,373
Speaker 2: a great person to talk to. You run a three

1279
00:59:23,493 --> 00:59:27,053
Speaker 2: billion dollar US import export company, so my goodness, you

1280
00:59:27,133 --> 00:59:29,293
Speaker 2: are the absolute perfect person to be talking to.

1281
00:59:31,133 --> 00:59:34,933
Speaker 25: Well, thank you. We export. We load in two hundred

1282
00:59:34,933 --> 00:59:38,093
Speaker 25: and fifty ports and discharge in about two hundred and

1283
00:59:38,133 --> 00:59:41,933
Speaker 25: forty ports around the world in about ninety countries, so

1284
00:59:42,013 --> 00:59:43,813
Speaker 25: I do a little bit of business overseas.

1285
00:59:44,653 --> 00:59:46,013
Speaker 3: Can you answer this question to me?

1286
00:59:46,173 --> 00:59:50,453
Speaker 2: Because we were talking to Chris from Kindface who exports

1287
00:59:50,573 --> 00:59:54,053
Speaker 2: to California, and he said, well to America, and he

1288
00:59:54,173 --> 00:59:57,253
Speaker 2: says that he has to pay the tariff before it leaves.

1289
00:59:57,293 --> 01:00:00,613
Speaker 2: He pays it with FedEx. But other people are saying

1290
01:00:00,653 --> 01:00:03,253
Speaker 2: that the importer pays the tariff. Who pays the tariff?

1291
01:00:03,853 --> 01:00:09,773
Speaker 25: Sean, Well, well, usually the seller has to pay the

1292
01:00:09,893 --> 01:00:13,933
Speaker 25: taroff and then he would increase his prices in the

1293
01:00:14,053 --> 01:00:17,413
Speaker 25: country it was shipped to to recover the tarOf or

1294
01:00:17,533 --> 01:00:22,693
Speaker 25: he eats it, or if it's a specific product that's

1295
01:00:22,813 --> 01:00:29,253
Speaker 25: required for a specific industry, sometimes the buyer will pay up.

1296
01:00:29,693 --> 01:00:32,853
Speaker 25: But if New Zealand's exporting meat and apples, that doesn't

1297
01:00:32,893 --> 01:00:35,013
Speaker 25: really qualify. Anybody can buy apples.

1298
01:00:36,693 --> 01:00:39,893
Speaker 4: So Sean from memory, I think I spoke to you

1299
01:00:40,053 --> 01:00:43,173
Speaker 4: some time ago. But you're being very successful, successful in

1300
01:00:43,213 --> 01:00:45,093
Speaker 4: business for a long time, obviously with the three billion

1301
01:00:45,093 --> 01:00:48,613
Speaker 4: dollar yearis Export Import company. But you were associated with

1302
01:00:48,693 --> 01:00:50,173
Speaker 4: gypsum at one point, is.

1303
01:00:50,173 --> 01:00:53,533
Speaker 25: It right, Yes, well, that is part of my business.

1304
01:00:54,573 --> 01:00:57,013
Speaker 25: You shipped nine million tons of gypsum around the world

1305
01:00:57,053 --> 01:01:01,613
Speaker 25: as part of this company. Oh yes, I think someone

1306
01:01:01,693 --> 01:01:03,533
Speaker 25: in your media called me the gypsum king.

1307
01:01:05,013 --> 01:01:06,933
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, we still do that.

1308
01:01:07,093 --> 01:01:10,453
Speaker 25: And when we were locked down during COVID, we started

1309
01:01:10,613 --> 01:01:15,333
Speaker 25: Roco Science to have a saliva based test which was

1310
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Speaker 25: non evasive, quicker and more accurate than the government based test.

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Speaker 6: That's right, Yeah, remember that.

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01:01:20,413 --> 01:01:24,533
Speaker 25: Yes, your question here is about the fifteen percent tariffs,

1313
01:01:25,213 --> 01:01:28,013
Speaker 25: And frankly, I think New Zealand's lucky to just have

1314
01:01:28,133 --> 01:01:33,093
Speaker 25: a fifteen percent tariff because our President Trump is a

1315
01:01:33,213 --> 01:01:39,013
Speaker 25: transactional president and New Zealand frankly won. Fifty percent of

1316
01:01:39,093 --> 01:01:41,733
Speaker 25: people in the US have no idea where New Zealand is.

1317
01:01:42,253 --> 01:01:44,493
Speaker 25: They think it's an island like the island Man off

1318
01:01:44,573 --> 01:01:51,333
Speaker 25: the coast of Britain. But secondly, New Zealand is difficult

1319
01:01:51,933 --> 01:01:54,813
Speaker 25: in terms of foreign policy. You've kicked out the US

1320
01:01:54,973 --> 01:02:00,613
Speaker 25: Navy under long E decades ago. You're not tough with

1321
01:02:01,533 --> 01:02:05,453
Speaker 25: China for whatever reason. But when you've picked your friends

1322
01:02:05,533 --> 01:02:10,013
Speaker 25: and picked your arguments, it eventually comes fact will haunt you.

1323
01:02:10,133 --> 01:02:12,933
Speaker 25: So I think fifteen percent you're gonna wait with lucky.

1324
01:02:13,813 --> 01:02:16,333
Speaker 2: So you think that is the primary reason why Australia

1325
01:02:17,173 --> 01:02:19,733
Speaker 2: we've got ten percent and we got fifteen percent.

1326
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Speaker 3: Is that they're closer to.

1327
01:02:21,333 --> 01:02:26,613
Speaker 2: America, they're more allied militarily exactly, and buy and actually

1328
01:02:26,653 --> 01:02:28,373
Speaker 2: buy more weapons off America.

1329
01:02:30,173 --> 01:02:33,253
Speaker 25: Well, I'm not saying buying or selling, because you know

1330
01:02:33,373 --> 01:02:38,853
Speaker 25: that's a movable feet. But Australia is always there to

1331
01:02:38,973 --> 01:02:42,493
Speaker 25: support the US against China or support themselves against China

1332
01:02:43,213 --> 01:02:45,653
Speaker 25: and our navy and our armed forces. We have a

1333
01:02:45,693 --> 01:02:49,213
Speaker 25: lot of bases in Australia and in New zel and

1334
01:02:49,253 --> 01:02:51,973
Speaker 25: they still don't let our nuclear ships and so it's

1335
01:02:52,013 --> 01:02:54,893
Speaker 25: a quick pro quo and if you only want to quit,

1336
01:02:55,133 --> 01:02:56,053
Speaker 25: you don't get the pro.

1337
01:02:56,453 --> 01:02:59,133
Speaker 6: Yeah, very honestly said, we're getting a few teas coming.

1338
01:02:59,213 --> 01:03:02,373
Speaker 4: And Shawan that say, part of the reason we've been

1339
01:03:02,453 --> 01:03:05,533
Speaker 4: lumped with the fifteen percent is due to our gest system.

1340
01:03:05,973 --> 01:03:08,013
Speaker 4: Do you think there's any truth to that that the

1341
01:03:08,053 --> 01:03:11,293
Speaker 4: White House looks at our GST system and thinks somehow

1342
01:03:11,413 --> 01:03:14,733
Speaker 4: that is a almost a tax on the goods that

1343
01:03:14,813 --> 01:03:15,573
Speaker 4: come into this country.

1344
01:03:18,213 --> 01:03:22,293
Speaker 25: Well, I'm laughing because that timent is fairly visible. Do

1345
01:03:22,413 --> 01:03:27,613
Speaker 25: you really think there's enough bureaucrats in America to look

1346
01:03:27,693 --> 01:03:31,093
Speaker 25: at every what two hundred and ten countries to see

1347
01:03:31,133 --> 01:03:34,213
Speaker 25: what their internal tax policy is and then base the

1348
01:03:34,293 --> 01:03:34,893
Speaker 25: tariff on that.

1349
01:03:35,213 --> 01:03:36,693
Speaker 6: Yeah, the egos.

1350
01:03:37,093 --> 01:03:39,693
Speaker 25: I'm not saying this is a I'm not saying this

1351
01:03:39,933 --> 01:03:43,853
Speaker 25: is a five minute decision in Washington, but it might

1352
01:03:43,893 --> 01:03:49,773
Speaker 25: have been Healan or Fiji or Bukima Vassel.

1353
01:03:51,973 --> 01:03:54,973
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we got off lucky.

1354
01:03:55,373 --> 01:03:58,453
Speaker 4: Is there any possibility our trade minister will will be

1355
01:03:58,573 --> 01:04:00,133
Speaker 4: able to negotiate or push back on this?

1356
01:04:00,213 --> 01:04:00,733
Speaker 3: Do you think sure?

1357
01:04:02,413 --> 01:04:07,173
Speaker 25: I don't think anyone will answer the telephone. Because let's

1358
01:04:07,213 --> 01:04:12,133
Speaker 25: look back on Trump's first term. He had a really

1359
01:04:12,253 --> 01:04:18,213
Speaker 25: effective ambassador, Scott Brown, where New Zealand was connected. He

1360
01:04:18,373 --> 01:04:22,733
Speaker 25: was doing a lot of things with New Zealand diplomatically, militarily.

1361
01:04:23,493 --> 01:04:27,333
Speaker 25: The ambassador that Biden appointed I don't even know his name,

1362
01:04:27,453 --> 01:04:31,693
Speaker 25: but he was totally ineffective. So New Zealand really isn't

1363
01:04:31,733 --> 01:04:35,893
Speaker 25: represented anywhere in Washington. You've had nobody.

1364
01:04:37,093 --> 01:04:39,533
Speaker 2: Do you think that, you know, the likes of you know,

1365
01:04:40,653 --> 01:04:43,853
Speaker 2: the news out yesterday that cash Pteli FBI director, who's

1366
01:04:43,933 --> 01:04:47,053
Speaker 2: the highest you know, persson in the Trump administration, to

1367
01:04:47,053 --> 01:04:48,373
Speaker 2: come down here. Do you think do you think that

1368
01:04:48,493 --> 01:04:50,373
Speaker 2: would be related at all? Do you think that is

1369
01:04:50,413 --> 01:04:53,533
Speaker 2: a olive branch being extended by New Zealand and the

1370
01:04:53,573 --> 01:04:56,733
Speaker 2: way that you're talking about becoming better friends.

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01:04:56,453 --> 01:04:56,853
Speaker 11: With them.

1372
01:04:59,133 --> 01:05:04,973
Speaker 25: Completely separate. I mean they're not even connected. And I

1373
01:05:05,053 --> 01:05:08,253
Speaker 25: think New Zealand has to learn that it's just unconnected.

1374
01:05:08,373 --> 01:05:11,253
Speaker 25: You're not that big for anybody to really pay attention to,

1375
01:05:12,173 --> 01:05:13,093
Speaker 25: which is good and bad.

1376
01:05:14,493 --> 01:05:15,373
Speaker 13: So I think you got the.

1377
01:05:15,493 --> 01:05:18,493
Speaker 25: Average tariff which is the same as europ guy, which

1378
01:05:18,613 --> 01:05:21,293
Speaker 25: is great. And Ure cooperates with US.

1379
01:05:21,213 --> 01:05:23,373
Speaker 3: Militarily, right, so we should be stuck.

1380
01:05:23,533 --> 01:05:28,253
Speaker 25: So I think you're on the coattails of other OECD

1381
01:05:28,413 --> 01:05:30,973
Speaker 25: countries and say, yeah, yeah, give New Zealand fifteen percent.

1382
01:05:31,253 --> 01:05:34,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we are a member of five Eyes, so

1383
01:05:34,293 --> 01:05:36,413
Speaker 2: there is you know, there is a foot a foot

1384
01:05:36,453 --> 01:05:36,893
Speaker 2: in that camp.

1385
01:05:37,133 --> 01:05:41,213
Speaker 25: I me're not really a member of five eyes. I mean,

1386
01:05:41,413 --> 01:05:44,493
Speaker 25: if you look at the entire just send of six years,

1387
01:05:45,933 --> 01:05:49,013
Speaker 25: New Zealand wasn't cooperating with five Eyes, and I doubted

1388
01:05:49,213 --> 01:05:52,453
Speaker 25: five eyes. It was more like four and a half eyes.

1389
01:05:52,613 --> 01:05:54,573
Speaker 25: A lot of the good information did not get the.

1390
01:05:54,613 --> 01:05:56,733
Speaker 3: New yum Sean's of usn't trustable.

1391
01:05:56,973 --> 01:05:59,693
Speaker 2: Now, Sean, how is this going to fix your three

1392
01:05:59,813 --> 01:06:03,293
Speaker 2: billion dollar US import export company in and out of

1393
01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:05,693
Speaker 2: New Zealand? Is that you know you think we're lucky

1394
01:06:05,733 --> 01:06:07,733
Speaker 2: to get fifteen percent. Is it going to fet your

1395
01:06:07,733 --> 01:06:08,253
Speaker 2: bottom line?

1396
01:06:10,093 --> 01:06:12,853
Speaker 25: Tariffs don't affect me. I find a way around it.

1397
01:06:13,613 --> 01:06:16,693
Speaker 25: Either the customer pays, or I fell to another country,

1398
01:06:17,453 --> 01:06:21,573
Speaker 25: or I take a lower margin. We're making the mistake

1399
01:06:21,733 --> 01:06:26,693
Speaker 25: here in New Zealand of trying to fight or argue

1400
01:06:26,853 --> 01:06:31,053
Speaker 25: or negotiate with a monolithic government. If New Zealand is

1401
01:06:31,133 --> 01:06:35,413
Speaker 25: selling products, you go to your customer and you solve

1402
01:06:35,493 --> 01:06:41,773
Speaker 25: it commercially. You can rage about the fifteen percent, but

1403
01:06:42,533 --> 01:06:45,693
Speaker 25: talk to the apple buyers, talk to the supermarkets, talk

1404
01:06:45,693 --> 01:06:49,813
Speaker 25: to your distributors, talk to your meatpackers and explain to

1405
01:06:49,973 --> 01:06:54,933
Speaker 25: them why it's worthwhile paying a higher tariff. So maybe

1406
01:06:55,133 --> 01:06:59,573
Speaker 25: New Zealand eats five percent of the tariff and the

1407
01:06:59,653 --> 01:07:05,493
Speaker 25: customer eats ten percent. But it's a fool's gain to

1408
01:07:05,653 --> 01:07:10,053
Speaker 25: negotiate with the US government. We're so small as five

1409
01:07:10,133 --> 01:07:14,853
Speaker 25: million people out of seven billion, nobody cares. So you

1410
01:07:14,973 --> 01:07:16,013
Speaker 25: become commercial.

1411
01:07:16,693 --> 01:07:16,733
Speaker 21: No.

1412
01:07:16,933 --> 01:07:19,893
Speaker 25: New Zealand's looking at this as a socialist country. Oh,

1413
01:07:19,973 --> 01:07:22,533
Speaker 25: we'll just talk to the government. So governments work things out.

1414
01:07:23,533 --> 01:07:25,333
Speaker 25: If you want to make money, you go to the

1415
01:07:25,453 --> 01:07:27,733
Speaker 25: market and sell your product.

1416
01:07:29,773 --> 01:07:30,813
Speaker 6: Yeah, nicely, see you go.

1417
01:07:31,013 --> 01:07:33,413
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sean, thanks so much for talking to us.

1418
01:07:33,573 --> 01:07:35,973
Speaker 2: And yes, you know, it's kind of like a from

1419
01:07:36,013 --> 01:07:39,693
Speaker 2: the big end of it with Sean to cress the

1420
01:07:39,733 --> 01:07:41,453
Speaker 2: small end of it. Both of them are saying basically

1421
01:07:41,573 --> 01:07:43,213
Speaker 2: that the obstacle is the way.

1422
01:07:43,333 --> 01:07:44,013
Speaker 8: This is what it is.

1423
01:07:44,653 --> 01:07:46,493
Speaker 3: You sell to the customer, you find a way through.

1424
01:07:46,853 --> 01:07:49,133
Speaker 3: There's no point in complaining about it. It is what

1425
01:07:49,293 --> 01:07:49,493
Speaker 3: it is.

1426
01:07:49,693 --> 01:07:51,653
Speaker 6: That's what I don't well at business right. Thank you

1427
01:07:51,933 --> 01:07:53,973
Speaker 6: very much. What a great call it is.

1428
01:07:54,293 --> 01:07:56,293
Speaker 4: Eighteen to three Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1429
01:07:56,453 --> 01:07:58,093
Speaker 4: is the number to call if you're an exporter.

1430
01:07:58,373 --> 01:08:00,693
Speaker 6: How does this affect you? The tariffs announced this morning?

1431
01:08:00,773 --> 01:08:01,533
Speaker 6: Love to hear from you.

1432
01:08:03,013 --> 01:08:06,533
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty eighty Matt

1433
01:08:06,613 --> 01:08:09,693
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoon used talk, Sa'd be.

1434
01:08:10,413 --> 01:08:12,973
Speaker 4: Very good afternoons. You're having a great discussion about the

1435
01:08:13,093 --> 01:08:16,333
Speaker 4: tariff announcement this morning. Fifteen percent tariffs that was announced

1436
01:08:16,333 --> 01:08:19,293
Speaker 4: by the White House this morning, revised up from ten percent.

1437
01:08:19,572 --> 01:08:21,253
Speaker 6: Does that affect you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1438
01:08:21,293 --> 01:08:22,293
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call.

1439
01:08:22,333 --> 01:08:23,893
Speaker 2: I tell you what, Sean was a very popular caller.

1440
01:08:23,973 --> 01:08:29,253
Speaker 2: This guy, Sean is gold wake up, no, we go

1441
01:08:29,412 --> 01:08:32,213
Speaker 2: Sean should be our foreign affairs minister. He makes a

1442
01:08:32,253 --> 01:08:35,013
Speaker 2: lot of sense. This guy's bang on, we need more

1443
01:08:35,053 --> 01:08:38,532
Speaker 2: alignment with the USA. This guy is one hundred percent correct.

1444
01:08:38,933 --> 01:08:42,772
Speaker 2: New Zealand is very small. This Texas says American arrogance.

1445
01:08:42,853 --> 01:08:45,932
Speaker 2: That guy's voice was grating, You're so small, blah blah blah.

1446
01:08:46,213 --> 01:08:49,452
Speaker 2: The world is the US according to them. Yeah, I mean,

1447
01:08:49,652 --> 01:08:51,293
Speaker 2: how can you be offender? So you're offended that he

1448
01:08:51,372 --> 01:08:53,652
Speaker 2: said that New Zealand is small? How can you how

1449
01:08:53,692 --> 01:08:55,093
Speaker 2: can you be offended by the truth?

1450
01:08:55,293 --> 01:08:55,492
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1451
01:08:55,652 --> 01:08:57,733
Speaker 3: How can we operate.

1452
01:08:57,412 --> 01:09:00,053
Speaker 2: In this country if we think we're more significant than

1453
01:09:00,093 --> 01:09:02,652
Speaker 2: we are? I mean, isn't that the arrogance from us?

1454
01:09:03,133 --> 01:09:03,333
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1455
01:09:03,492 --> 01:09:07,452
Speaker 2: It's main character syndrome for the United States. I mean,

1456
01:09:08,412 --> 01:09:11,572
Speaker 2: are we on the list of negotiations? You know, how

1457
01:09:11,652 --> 01:09:14,133
Speaker 2: much time do they spend compared to how much time

1458
01:09:14,173 --> 01:09:16,732
Speaker 2: they need to spend with the big economies Europe and China.

1459
01:09:17,253 --> 01:09:23,772
Speaker 2: I mean, our entire economy is worth what zero point

1460
01:09:23,973 --> 01:09:25,772
Speaker 2: five of a percent of the time that they spend

1461
01:09:25,812 --> 01:09:28,572
Speaker 2: with China. Thinking about the China situation, I mean, you've

1462
01:09:28,612 --> 01:09:30,812
Speaker 2: just got to play the environment you're in.

1463
01:09:31,452 --> 01:09:33,333
Speaker 6: You've got to play the game and you can't winge

1464
01:09:33,372 --> 01:09:33,692
Speaker 6: about it.

1465
01:09:34,372 --> 01:09:36,732
Speaker 4: That's why Shawn's got a three billion dollar company because

1466
01:09:36,772 --> 01:09:39,333
Speaker 4: of that attitude that yes, I face some challenges and

1467
01:09:39,452 --> 01:09:42,052
Speaker 4: I figure it out, and I negotiate and I pushed

1468
01:09:42,133 --> 01:09:44,213
Speaker 4: through because that is the aim of the game of business.

1469
01:09:44,253 --> 01:09:46,852
Speaker 2: You could be offended you if you said New Zealand's

1470
01:09:46,893 --> 01:09:49,372
Speaker 2: not beautiful, it's crap and everyone here is an a whole.

1471
01:09:50,133 --> 01:09:52,052
Speaker 2: But you can't be offended if you said New Zealand's

1472
01:09:52,053 --> 01:09:56,652
Speaker 2: small because absolutely objectively is a small country.

1473
01:09:57,652 --> 01:09:59,532
Speaker 3: Matt, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on all of this.

1474
01:10:01,173 --> 01:10:04,412
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's all good. Yeah, it is a shame, I've

1475
01:10:04,412 --> 01:10:09,253
Speaker 22: got to say, you know, and a winery and we

1476
01:10:09,452 --> 01:10:12,293
Speaker 22: export probably eighty percent of our product to the US.

1477
01:10:13,412 --> 01:10:16,333
Speaker 22: And wine is different to a lot of other commodities

1478
01:10:16,372 --> 01:10:19,932
Speaker 22: where there's a definite, structured three tier system over there

1479
01:10:19,933 --> 01:10:23,652
Speaker 22: where you you have to have a licensed alcohol importer,

1480
01:10:23,973 --> 01:10:28,492
Speaker 22: a licensed alcohol distributor, and then the retailer. So that

1481
01:10:28,612 --> 01:10:33,133
Speaker 22: fifteen percent turns into or twenty five or thirty percent

1482
01:10:33,213 --> 01:10:34,652
Speaker 22: by the time it gets onto the shelf.

1483
01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:39,812
Speaker 2: And so can you just explain how that that happens?

1484
01:10:39,853 --> 01:10:42,532
Speaker 2: So what each each part of the way through. They

1485
01:10:42,572 --> 01:10:43,493
Speaker 2: take a cattle.

1486
01:10:45,093 --> 01:10:48,173
Speaker 22: Right way through that. Yeah, my invoice price then gets

1487
01:10:48,452 --> 01:10:53,652
Speaker 22: added to, added to, added to, and there's I mean,

1488
01:10:54,973 --> 01:10:57,492
Speaker 22: it's a wine. Is it such a discretionary item that

1489
01:10:57,652 --> 01:11:02,532
Speaker 22: it's not like toilet paper or you know, medical supply,

1490
01:11:02,692 --> 01:11:05,133
Speaker 22: something that somebody has to have it. And they'll look

1491
01:11:05,173 --> 01:11:08,333
Speaker 22: at that, and they'll look at that New Zealand body

1492
01:11:08,412 --> 01:11:10,412
Speaker 22: of seven yon bloc that's just gone up by thirty

1493
01:11:10,452 --> 01:11:13,052
Speaker 22: percent and go and buy something from Chili or South Africa.

1494
01:11:14,253 --> 01:11:15,412
Speaker 6: And that makes a lot of sense, man.

1495
01:11:15,452 --> 01:11:17,372
Speaker 4: But a lot of people have said this hour that

1496
01:11:17,572 --> 01:11:19,612
Speaker 4: we have a premium product here in New Zealand and

1497
01:11:19,612 --> 01:11:21,333
Speaker 4: it's up to us to try and market that and

1498
01:11:21,412 --> 01:11:23,013
Speaker 4: say we've got the best wine in the world and

1499
01:11:23,053 --> 01:11:25,093
Speaker 4: we've got the best meat in the world. What is

1500
01:11:25,133 --> 01:11:27,812
Speaker 4: it like to try and market and get ahead of

1501
01:11:27,893 --> 01:11:30,133
Speaker 4: the competition in a place like America? For you, as

1502
01:11:30,213 --> 01:11:32,933
Speaker 4: as a wine manufacturing as a wine grower, is that

1503
01:11:33,133 --> 01:11:34,852
Speaker 4: very difficult to do to try and stand out.

1504
01:11:35,893 --> 01:11:39,213
Speaker 22: It's very very difficult at the moment because as an

1505
01:11:39,333 --> 01:11:43,213
Speaker 22: industry as a whole, we have dug ourselves into a

1506
01:11:43,293 --> 01:11:47,372
Speaker 22: hole with massive oversupply. There are people trying to just

1507
01:11:47,452 --> 01:11:49,213
Speaker 22: give wine away just to get rid of it. There

1508
01:11:49,253 --> 01:11:52,132
Speaker 22: are people in parts of New Zealand wine growing areas

1509
01:11:53,133 --> 01:11:56,412
Speaker 22: and this is not an exaggeration. They are dumping wine

1510
01:11:56,572 --> 01:11:57,693
Speaker 22: onto paddocks.

1511
01:11:57,333 --> 01:11:57,852
Speaker 9: To get rid of it.

1512
01:11:58,333 --> 01:12:03,253
Speaker 22: So it's hard enough for our particular industry. We're in

1513
01:12:03,333 --> 01:12:08,013
Speaker 22: a huge oversupply situation, so trying to put the price up.

1514
01:12:09,253 --> 01:12:12,333
Speaker 22: South Africa, for instance, of producing extremely good wine at

1515
01:12:12,372 --> 01:12:15,772
Speaker 22: the moment, very comparable to ours in a lot of ways.

1516
01:12:16,812 --> 01:12:19,173
Speaker 22: Their cost of labor and everything is so much lower

1517
01:12:19,213 --> 01:12:20,812
Speaker 22: than ours that they can.

1518
01:12:20,772 --> 01:12:21,412
Speaker 17: Walk all over it.

1519
01:12:21,572 --> 01:12:24,532
Speaker 22: So that's fifteen percent to us. When it gets added

1520
01:12:24,612 --> 01:12:28,772
Speaker 22: on to by a three tier system, it's a big deal.

1521
01:12:28,933 --> 01:12:32,213
Speaker 22: I mean, I've figured out a bit of a way

1522
01:12:32,293 --> 01:12:35,053
Speaker 22: to get around part of it, which I guess some

1523
01:12:35,133 --> 01:12:38,053
Speaker 22: of you knows what irony winery I own. So I'm

1524
01:12:38,093 --> 01:12:41,013
Speaker 22: just going to invoice my customer might distributor less and

1525
01:12:41,093 --> 01:12:45,173
Speaker 22: then send them another invoice for professional services or something

1526
01:12:45,692 --> 01:12:48,133
Speaker 22: and get the tariff lower. I mean, there are ways

1527
01:12:48,173 --> 01:12:49,852
Speaker 22: to play the game, but at the end of the day,

1528
01:12:50,133 --> 01:12:51,173
Speaker 22: someone's still going to pay.

1529
01:12:51,812 --> 01:12:54,173
Speaker 4: They post things into perspective absolutely, Matt, So to go

1530
01:12:54,293 --> 01:12:55,812
Speaker 4: well and all the best to you, right we're gonna

1531
01:12:55,812 --> 01:12:57,692
Speaker 4: play some messages, but when we come back, we're going

1532
01:12:57,732 --> 01:13:00,333
Speaker 4: to have a chance to Felicity Roxburgh, she is the

1533
01:13:00,412 --> 01:13:03,492
Speaker 4: head of the New Zealand International Business Forum, and ask

1534
01:13:03,532 --> 01:13:05,772
Speaker 4: her her thoughts about these tariffs that is coming up.

1535
01:13:05,812 --> 01:13:09,772
Speaker 1: It is ten to three, that affect you and a

1536
01:13:09,812 --> 01:13:12,173
Speaker 1: bit of fun along the way. Mad Heath and Tyler

1537
01:13:12,213 --> 01:13:14,293
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons used talks.

1538
01:13:14,293 --> 01:13:14,612
Speaker 8: They'd be.

1539
01:13:16,612 --> 01:13:18,452
Speaker 6: Very good afternoon. It is eight to three.

1540
01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:21,812
Speaker 4: So how worried should we be about fifteen percent tariffs

1541
01:13:21,812 --> 01:13:24,173
Speaker 4: imposed by the US. To discuss this, we're joined by

1542
01:13:24,213 --> 01:13:27,053
Speaker 4: Felicity Roxborough. She is the executive director of the New

1543
01:13:27,133 --> 01:13:29,372
Speaker 4: Zealand International Business Forum and she's on the.

1544
01:13:29,532 --> 01:13:33,053
Speaker 6: Line right now. Felicity, very very good afternoon to you,

1545
01:13:34,053 --> 01:13:35,013
Speaker 6: hy afternoon.

1546
01:13:35,772 --> 01:13:39,852
Speaker 2: How damaging are these fifteen percent tariffs to our economy?

1547
01:13:39,893 --> 01:13:44,812
Speaker 26: Felicity Yeah, I mean this is a deeply disappointing outcome,

1548
01:13:45,732 --> 01:13:48,452
Speaker 26: there's no two ways about it, and it is damaging

1549
01:13:48,772 --> 01:13:51,412
Speaker 26: to New Zealand. So we've had this sort of so

1550
01:13:51,612 --> 01:13:55,893
Speaker 26: called reciprocal tariff placed on us, but that's quite unjustified

1551
01:13:56,013 --> 01:14:00,492
Speaker 26: because the US enjoys almost terrist free access to New Zealand,

1552
01:14:00,572 --> 01:14:04,492
Speaker 26: so generally plays about zero point eight percent tariff. We're

1553
01:14:04,532 --> 01:14:07,972
Speaker 26: going to have to pay fifteen additional percent in return.

1554
01:14:08,372 --> 01:14:11,012
Speaker 26: Farm are already paying two or three percent, and we've

1555
01:14:11,053 --> 01:14:13,412
Speaker 26: got to add fifteen to that. Some of our exporters

1556
01:14:13,412 --> 01:14:15,932
Speaker 26: already paying that, so that's getting up close to twenty

1557
01:14:15,933 --> 01:14:18,372
Speaker 26: percent in some cases. It's painful, that's for sure.

1558
01:14:18,692 --> 01:14:20,532
Speaker 2: Do we need to move on from the attitude that

1559
01:14:20,572 --> 01:14:24,173
Speaker 2: it's unfair? Maybe it is unfair, but that doesn't really

1560
01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:26,372
Speaker 2: help us. That's the environment we're in. Is the time

1561
01:14:26,452 --> 01:14:29,372
Speaker 2: to just accept things and get on with it.

1562
01:14:31,412 --> 01:14:34,452
Speaker 26: Well, I mean, we're a small country. We benefit from

1563
01:14:34,492 --> 01:14:37,732
Speaker 26: the rules. And when the elephants fight, the grass tramples,

1564
01:14:37,772 --> 01:14:41,013
Speaker 26: you know where the grass. It's really in both our

1565
01:14:41,173 --> 01:14:44,293
Speaker 26: kind of commercial interests and in our sense of fairness

1566
01:14:44,333 --> 01:14:47,572
Speaker 26: that we carry on talking about what us a trade

1567
01:14:47,612 --> 01:14:50,532
Speaker 26: policy wants like to call the international rules based order.

1568
01:14:51,173 --> 01:14:53,532
Speaker 26: But you know, New Zealanders we believe in fairness and

1569
01:14:53,612 --> 01:14:55,692
Speaker 26: we know that when you trade or when you play

1570
01:14:55,732 --> 01:14:58,612
Speaker 26: a game or whatever, that there are rules that you know,

1571
01:14:58,732 --> 01:14:59,173
Speaker 26: we all have.

1572
01:14:59,213 --> 01:14:59,852
Speaker 6: To abide by.

1573
01:15:00,452 --> 01:15:03,492
Speaker 26: And this is this is not certainly not within those rules.

1574
01:15:03,652 --> 01:15:05,133
Speaker 2: But do you think they care? I mean, do you

1575
01:15:05,173 --> 01:15:07,572
Speaker 2: think Todd McLay that the Trade Minister will be able.

1576
01:15:07,452 --> 01:15:08,213
Speaker 3: To get this move.

1577
01:15:10,293 --> 01:15:12,732
Speaker 26: I mean our group thinks that, you know the government

1578
01:15:12,772 --> 01:15:15,852
Speaker 26: should seek to try to re establish a level playing

1579
01:15:15,893 --> 01:15:19,173
Speaker 26: field and he's been saying that this morning, that that's

1580
01:15:19,213 --> 01:15:23,412
Speaker 26: what they'll try to do. But yeah, I mean it

1581
01:15:23,532 --> 01:15:25,372
Speaker 26: does at the moment. The problem is it really does

1582
01:15:25,412 --> 01:15:28,772
Speaker 26: put us at a commercial disadvantage in terms of some

1583
01:15:28,933 --> 01:15:32,092
Speaker 26: of our key partners, you know, so Australia, UK, Chile,

1584
01:15:32,652 --> 01:15:34,612
Speaker 26: and that's where that's where some of the pain is

1585
01:15:34,692 --> 01:15:35,253
Speaker 26: going to come in.

1586
01:15:36,093 --> 01:15:39,213
Speaker 4: What would you say to business owners out there who

1587
01:15:39,213 --> 01:15:41,692
Speaker 4: are going to be facing this, who might be a

1588
01:15:41,732 --> 01:15:45,293
Speaker 4: bit worried. Is there support available to those people if

1589
01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:46,132
Speaker 4: they are a bit concerned.

1590
01:15:47,692 --> 01:15:51,093
Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean I think most businesses that trade with

1591
01:15:51,173 --> 01:15:53,572
Speaker 26: the US have been tracking this for some time, so

1592
01:15:53,692 --> 01:15:57,933
Speaker 26: people have been getting prepared. Although fifteen percent is a

1593
01:15:58,572 --> 01:16:00,652
Speaker 26: it has come as a surprise. I mean many were

1594
01:16:00,692 --> 01:16:04,213
Speaker 26: expecting us to stay on ten percent. There's lots of

1595
01:16:04,372 --> 01:16:09,293
Speaker 26: support I think through other industry bodies, the government. They're

1596
01:16:09,372 --> 01:16:13,293
Speaker 26: running particular training for people. Also, this is the time

1597
01:16:13,333 --> 01:16:15,492
Speaker 26: where people need to go to their contracts. You know,

1598
01:16:15,572 --> 01:16:17,972
Speaker 26: we've all had contracts in the draw in the good

1599
01:16:18,053 --> 01:16:20,973
Speaker 26: times and now some to get them out and have

1600
01:16:21,053 --> 01:16:24,293
Speaker 26: a lot and see who pays what. But eventually the

1601
01:16:24,333 --> 01:16:25,973
Speaker 26: people who are going to pay are going to be

1602
01:16:26,253 --> 01:16:30,372
Speaker 26: the you know, the American consumers that those twists will

1603
01:16:30,412 --> 01:16:33,452
Speaker 26: get passed on to them. So, you know New Zealand's

1604
01:16:33,452 --> 01:16:37,333
Speaker 26: reputation for sort of premium quality products, that's what we

1605
01:16:37,452 --> 01:16:40,932
Speaker 26: have to double down on because by definition, there's going

1606
01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:42,692
Speaker 26: to be a higher price for those products. So we

1607
01:16:42,812 --> 01:16:44,812
Speaker 26: need to make sure that we've got the strategy to

1608
01:16:44,973 --> 01:16:47,213
Speaker 26: kind of target that premium market.

1609
01:16:47,973 --> 01:16:48,652
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1610
01:16:49,173 --> 01:16:52,533
Speaker 4: Very interesting. That is Felicity Roxburgh. She is the executive

1611
01:16:52,572 --> 01:16:56,133
Speaker 4: director at the International Business Forum of New Zealand. Thank

1612
01:16:56,133 --> 01:16:58,412
Speaker 4: you very much for your time, Vilicity, and thank you

1613
01:16:58,532 --> 01:17:01,213
Speaker 4: to everybody who called in texts on that. I had

1614
01:17:01,293 --> 01:17:04,772
Speaker 4: some great callers that do not disturb kind face and

1615
01:17:05,253 --> 01:17:08,652
Speaker 4: Sean the three billion dollar gypsum.

1616
01:17:09,013 --> 01:17:13,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his advice was, you know, find your customers

1617
01:17:14,093 --> 01:17:16,333
Speaker 2: and deal with the other customers, find your market, yeah,

1618
01:17:16,532 --> 01:17:19,253
Speaker 2: and get out there I mean business person, because we

1619
01:17:19,333 --> 01:17:22,532
Speaker 2: can keep saying it's unfair, but I don't know if

1620
01:17:22,652 --> 01:17:24,732
Speaker 2: that's how we're going to get it across the line

1621
01:17:24,772 --> 01:17:25,452
Speaker 2: and get it changed.

1622
01:17:25,612 --> 01:17:28,173
Speaker 3: Yep, it might just be the obstacle is the way?

1623
01:17:28,293 --> 01:17:32,172
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're smarter, right, great discussion after three o'clock.

1624
01:17:32,253 --> 01:17:35,213
Speaker 6: This is going to be a doozy. Is board beautiful?

1625
01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:38,132
Speaker 4: There's been a bit of a pushback from some quarters

1626
01:17:38,333 --> 01:17:41,372
Speaker 4: of a cheeky billboard targeting those dealing with hair loss.

1627
01:17:41,933 --> 01:17:44,132
Speaker 4: We will tell you what was said on that billboard

1628
01:17:44,213 --> 01:17:46,053
Speaker 4: very shortly, but keen to get your view. Oh eight,

1629
01:17:46,053 --> 01:17:48,612
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1630
01:17:48,692 --> 01:17:50,852
Speaker 4: call New Sport and Weather on its way.

1631
01:17:50,973 --> 01:17:54,173
Speaker 6: You're listening to Mett and Roger.

1632
01:17:56,652 --> 01:17:59,972
Speaker 5: Your new homes are in stateful and entertaining talk.

1633
01:18:00,213 --> 01:18:05,133
Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

1634
01:18:07,572 --> 01:18:11,452
Speaker 4: Very good afternoon. Do you happy Friday? It is the

1635
01:18:11,572 --> 01:18:13,612
Speaker 4: hour of power for us. Always feel good at three

1636
01:18:13,612 --> 01:18:15,452
Speaker 4: o'clock on a Friday. I hope you are too.

1637
01:18:15,812 --> 01:18:17,293
Speaker 6: And this is going to be a good discussion coming

1638
01:18:17,372 --> 01:18:20,412
Speaker 6: up very shortly. Is bald beautiful? Is bald sexy?

1639
01:18:20,452 --> 01:18:22,652
Speaker 4: There's been pushed back from some quarters out of billboard

1640
01:18:22,692 --> 01:18:25,732
Speaker 4: targeting those dealing with hair loss. It's by a company

1641
01:18:25,812 --> 01:18:30,053
Speaker 4: called Esthetica, and the billboard says you'd look better Bald said,

1642
01:18:30,133 --> 01:18:30,692
Speaker 4: no one ever.

1643
01:18:31,612 --> 01:18:35,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when I saw that, I was like,

1644
01:18:35,692 --> 01:18:39,452
Speaker 2: it just seems nasty. I don't think I want to

1645
01:18:39,492 --> 01:18:42,213
Speaker 2: do business with people that are that that that that

1646
01:18:42,412 --> 01:18:45,452
Speaker 2: that they're trying to emotionally blackmail you into being part

1647
01:18:45,492 --> 01:18:47,092
Speaker 2: of this, Like it's all business is trying to emotionally

1648
01:18:47,133 --> 01:18:49,852
Speaker 2: blackmail you in some some regard. You know, I'll buy

1649
01:18:49,893 --> 01:18:53,492
Speaker 2: a watch because you know, I've been emotionally blackmailed by

1650
01:18:53,492 --> 01:18:55,572
Speaker 2: how cool it looks like a Formula one driver.

1651
01:18:55,532 --> 01:18:57,652
Speaker 6: Or something fair. It works, He's a good motivator, But

1652
01:18:58,053 --> 01:18:58,572
Speaker 6: that one.

1653
01:18:58,973 --> 01:19:01,093
Speaker 3: I don't know that that that that's stunk as far

1654
01:19:01,133 --> 01:19:03,692
Speaker 3: as I was concerned. So, so, what kind of pushback

1655
01:19:03,692 --> 01:19:04,093
Speaker 3: has been on it?

1656
01:19:04,133 --> 01:19:04,293
Speaker 15: There?

1657
01:19:04,372 --> 01:19:04,612
Speaker 3: Roger?

1658
01:19:04,933 --> 01:19:05,933
Speaker 6: So that's it.

1659
01:19:07,053 --> 01:19:11,053
Speaker 4: So this was some comments individuals who said that this

1660
01:19:11,253 --> 01:19:15,732
Speaker 4: was an example cruel body shaming and that it is

1661
01:19:16,173 --> 01:19:19,213
Speaker 4: unfairly targeting men for an issue they have no control over.

1662
01:19:19,732 --> 01:19:24,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd also push back that people don't look good balled.

1663
01:19:25,213 --> 01:19:28,652
Speaker 3: I mean, look at Dwayne the Rock, Johnson, Jason Statham,

1664
01:19:29,333 --> 01:19:33,532
Speaker 3: very good looking man, Vin Diesel. Yeah, Terry Crews, yes,

1665
01:19:33,652 --> 01:19:35,972
Speaker 3: I mean do you think Terry Crews. Terry Crews looks

1666
01:19:35,973 --> 01:19:38,292
Speaker 3: so much better balled than he did before he was bored.

1667
01:19:38,133 --> 01:19:39,812
Speaker 6: He'd be nobody with a hit of here.

1668
01:19:39,893 --> 01:19:41,412
Speaker 2: I don't even know if Terry Crews is bored. I

1669
01:19:41,412 --> 01:19:43,452
Speaker 2: think he shaves his head. I think he Terry Crews

1670
01:19:44,133 --> 01:19:45,973
Speaker 2: what a great actor, one of the funniest men that's

1671
01:19:46,013 --> 01:19:48,133
Speaker 2: ever walked the face of the earth, so good and

1672
01:19:49,253 --> 01:19:53,213
Speaker 2: idiocracy and in Brooklyn nine nine, I don't think. I'm

1673
01:19:53,253 --> 01:19:54,532
Speaker 2: not even sure he is bored. I think he just

1674
01:19:54,532 --> 01:19:56,173
Speaker 2: looks so good that he shaved. I think it proves

1675
01:19:56,253 --> 01:19:57,412
Speaker 2: the point completely wrong.

1676
01:19:57,572 --> 01:20:00,732
Speaker 6: Yeah, Bruce Willison is Heyday, Yeah, very famous ball man.

1677
01:20:00,933 --> 01:20:01,133
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1678
01:20:01,412 --> 01:20:04,492
Speaker 6: Seal Seal, Yes, he was a big one.

1679
01:20:04,933 --> 01:20:10,172
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, Yeah, zint it in Zidan, legendary French football player.

1680
01:20:10,412 --> 01:20:13,092
Speaker 6: Lee Hart, Leehart our prime minister.

1681
01:20:13,652 --> 01:20:13,852
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1682
01:20:14,213 --> 01:20:17,172
Speaker 2: I mean, has anyone seen a Lee Hart and Christopher

1683
01:20:17,213 --> 01:20:19,492
Speaker 2: Luxan in the same room to get conspiracy is potentially

1684
01:20:19,532 --> 01:20:20,972
Speaker 2: the same person being a very good point.

1685
01:20:21,412 --> 01:20:22,972
Speaker 4: But we want to hear from you. I eight hundred

1686
01:20:23,013 --> 01:20:25,532
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty. What do you think about bald men?

1687
01:20:25,692 --> 01:20:27,133
Speaker 4: Has it started to change a little bit?

1688
01:20:27,293 --> 01:20:27,452
Speaker 10: Well?

1689
01:20:27,492 --> 01:20:30,452
Speaker 4: Have you gone to see this company Esthetica? And how

1690
01:20:30,452 --> 01:20:32,213
Speaker 4: do you feel about that billboard? Oh Waite hundred eighty

1691
01:20:32,253 --> 01:20:33,253
Speaker 4: ten eighties the number to call.

1692
01:20:33,492 --> 01:20:35,253
Speaker 2: I want to know if you if you're bored and

1693
01:20:35,293 --> 01:20:38,532
Speaker 2: happy with it, because I think I know a lot

1694
01:20:38,572 --> 01:20:40,093
Speaker 2: of people that are bored and happy with it. I've

1695
01:20:40,093 --> 01:20:41,772
Speaker 2: never heard Lee Hart complain about it. He's a good

1696
01:20:42,013 --> 01:20:44,652
Speaker 2: grant friend of mine. And do you have a do

1697
01:20:44,772 --> 01:20:46,492
Speaker 2: you have a bald man in your life that you

1698
01:20:46,772 --> 01:20:47,933
Speaker 2: that you were very happy with?

1699
01:20:48,133 --> 01:20:48,333
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1700
01:20:48,412 --> 01:20:50,692
Speaker 3: And you wouldn't you wouldn't wish an extra hair on

1701
01:20:50,772 --> 01:20:51,093
Speaker 3: the head.

1702
01:20:51,333 --> 01:20:53,133
Speaker 6: Love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1703
01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:54,652
Speaker 6: eighties the number to call, But right now it is

1704
01:20:54,772 --> 01:20:55,492
Speaker 6: nine past three.

1705
01:20:57,933 --> 01:21:00,372
Speaker 2: Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on z B,

1706
01:21:00,532 --> 01:21:02,572
Speaker 2: we name the New Zealander of the Week and honor

1707
01:21:02,612 --> 01:21:04,812
Speaker 2: that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who's

1708
01:21:04,812 --> 01:21:06,253
Speaker 2: had an outsized effect.

1709
01:21:06,013 --> 01:21:09,852
Speaker 3: On our great and beautiful nation over the previous seven days. So,

1710
01:21:09,973 --> 01:21:13,452
Speaker 3: without further ado, the nominees for Madd and Tyler Afternoons

1711
01:21:13,532 --> 01:21:16,932
Speaker 3: New Zealand of the Week are nominee one also gets

1712
01:21:16,973 --> 01:21:19,652
Speaker 3: the boy who cried wolf for ward. Sure we didn't

1713
01:21:19,692 --> 01:21:22,412
Speaker 3: need to hear from you. At six thirty am over

1714
01:21:22,492 --> 01:21:24,812
Speaker 3: the smallest swell ever recorded by mankind.

1715
01:21:25,333 --> 01:21:27,372
Speaker 2: Sure you sound like the start of the Purge and

1716
01:21:27,452 --> 01:21:29,933
Speaker 2: the Purge horror movies. There is no doubt you are

1717
01:21:29,973 --> 01:21:32,892
Speaker 2: currently being run by a bunch of overly cautious chicken lickings.

1718
01:21:33,213 --> 01:21:36,652
Speaker 3: We one day we might actually need you, so the

1719
01:21:36,772 --> 01:21:40,652
Speaker 3: New Zealand Emergency Alert. You are nominated the New Zealander

1720
01:21:40,812 --> 01:21:46,452
Speaker 3: of the Week. Get back to us when we actually

1721
01:21:46,492 --> 01:21:49,812
Speaker 3: have an emergency. Nominee two gets the give them seven

1722
01:21:49,933 --> 01:21:51,132
Speaker 3: bucks right Now Award.

1723
01:21:51,732 --> 01:21:54,213
Speaker 2: Cancer sufferer and friend of the show Tom, who was

1724
01:21:54,253 --> 01:21:56,253
Speaker 2: a top bloke who has planned his own funeral, put

1725
01:21:56,333 --> 01:21:58,812
Speaker 2: us in touch with these people. They have started an

1726
01:21:58,853 --> 01:22:02,172
Speaker 2: organization to help people dealing with this rare and poorly

1727
01:22:02,333 --> 01:22:05,492
Speaker 2: understood form of cancer. So give them seven bucks if

1728
01:22:05,492 --> 01:22:06,133
Speaker 2: you can spare it.

1729
01:22:06,652 --> 01:22:11,213
Speaker 3: Doctor Joanna Connor and Sarcoma New Zealand, you are nominated

1730
01:22:11,572 --> 01:22:15,253
Speaker 3: for New Zealander of the Wee Sarcoma.

1731
01:22:14,933 --> 01:22:16,133
Speaker 5: Dot org got in zed.

1732
01:22:16,253 --> 01:22:20,093
Speaker 3: That's Sarcoma dot org dot z. There's a great people

1733
01:22:20,173 --> 01:22:22,852
Speaker 3: doing a great job and any friend of Tom's is

1734
01:22:22,893 --> 01:22:27,013
Speaker 3: a friend of ours. Given seven bucks, but there can

1735
01:22:27,133 --> 01:22:31,612
Speaker 3: be only one and the winner also gets the Life

1736
01:22:31,692 --> 01:22:32,932
Speaker 3: Begins at forty award.

1737
01:22:33,333 --> 01:22:36,773
Speaker 2: He left school at sixteen, hoping to become a constant violinist,

1738
01:22:37,093 --> 01:22:39,053
Speaker 2: but he ended up working for his uncle and his

1739
01:22:39,213 --> 01:22:42,852
Speaker 2: uncle's jewelry store. Twenty four years later, his house burned

1740
01:22:42,853 --> 01:22:46,652
Speaker 2: down and he founded a completely new way of selling jewelry.

1741
01:22:47,013 --> 01:22:49,093
Speaker 3: Next thing you know, he's got three hundred stores and

1742
01:22:49,173 --> 01:22:52,012
Speaker 3: a global brand, a yacht and a beautiful golf course.

1743
01:22:52,293 --> 01:22:53,173
Speaker 6: He loved the arts.

1744
01:22:53,452 --> 01:22:56,372
Speaker 3: He gave a lot back. He loved golf, music, boats

1745
01:22:56,452 --> 01:22:59,452
Speaker 3: and appearing in his own adverts, and according to Paul Henry,

1746
01:22:59,572 --> 01:23:02,972
Speaker 3: he was always the smartest person in any room. Rip

1747
01:23:03,492 --> 01:23:07,492
Speaker 3: Michael Hill Jeweler, you are the mantain tyler afternoons New

1748
01:23:07,652 --> 01:23:08,652
Speaker 3: Zealander of the Week.

1749
01:23:09,093 --> 01:23:37,532
Speaker 6: Take it away, Howie Morrison, Hello Michael Bill Jeweler. Don't

1750
01:23:37,732 --> 01:23:40,572
Speaker 6: miss my great annual sale. These diamond eternity rings and

1751
01:23:40,652 --> 01:23:42,652
Speaker 6: great buying at three hundred and six dollars are now

1752
01:23:42,893 --> 01:23:45,972
Speaker 6: just ninety nine dollars. Silver bracelets was poor charms? Where's

1753
01:23:45,973 --> 01:23:48,892
Speaker 6: sixty five dollars now twenty nine? Be there, Michael Hill.

1754
01:23:48,853 --> 01:23:52,612
Speaker 5: Jeweler On news Dog zby it's a quarter past.

1755
01:23:52,412 --> 01:23:55,092
Speaker 4: Three, so is bald beautiful. There's a bit of kickback

1756
01:23:55,133 --> 01:24:00,572
Speaker 4: about a billboard. It is run by Esthetica and it says,

1757
01:24:00,853 --> 01:24:04,412
Speaker 4: I quote, you'd look better baled, said no one ever.

1758
01:24:04,973 --> 01:24:07,612
Speaker 4: So the pushback from a woman called Sarah Richie. She's

1759
01:24:07,612 --> 01:24:10,012
Speaker 4: an Auckland based author. She says, I quote the message

1760
01:24:10,053 --> 01:24:12,452
Speaker 4: implies that being bored is something to be embarrassed about.

1761
01:24:12,812 --> 01:24:13,572
Speaker 6: Yeah, is that true?

1762
01:24:13,853 --> 01:24:14,053
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1763
01:24:14,133 --> 01:24:15,732
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it doesn't imply it. It's saying being

1764
01:24:15,732 --> 01:24:17,492
Speaker 2: embarrassed about it, and get our product. It's trying to

1765
01:24:18,532 --> 01:24:21,892
Speaker 2: shame and scare you into buying their product. Yeah, there's

1766
01:24:21,933 --> 01:24:23,652
Speaker 2: no two ways about it, you know. I mean, go

1767
01:24:23,772 --> 01:24:25,333
Speaker 2: for your life as a company if you want to

1768
01:24:25,372 --> 01:24:28,532
Speaker 2: do that. I mean, that's the marketing decision you've made.

1769
01:24:28,612 --> 01:24:31,532
Speaker 2: But I just think it's I just don't think i'd

1770
01:24:31,572 --> 01:24:33,892
Speaker 2: give the money to anyone that is trying to scare

1771
01:24:33,973 --> 01:24:34,933
Speaker 2: me into doing something like that.

1772
01:24:35,053 --> 01:24:38,173
Speaker 4: It's very Madman style, isn't it. Nineteen fifty style advertising

1773
01:24:38,253 --> 01:24:40,572
Speaker 4: and fair works very well, But it does feel a

1774
01:24:40,612 --> 01:24:42,133
Speaker 4: little bit like that. But what do you say eight

1775
01:24:42,213 --> 01:24:44,412
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty And if you're bald, do you

1776
01:24:44,612 --> 01:24:47,492
Speaker 4: rock your bald head proudly or are you a little

1777
01:24:47,532 --> 01:24:49,213
Speaker 4: bit embarrassed by I'd love to hear from you.

1778
01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:51,572
Speaker 2: And I like to hear from people that are with

1779
01:24:51,772 --> 01:24:53,812
Speaker 2: bald men and are very happy with the way they look,

1780
01:24:54,333 --> 01:24:57,772
Speaker 2: you know, and wouldn't want another curly little hair anywhere

1781
01:24:57,812 --> 01:24:58,293
Speaker 2: on their body.

1782
01:24:58,333 --> 01:25:00,852
Speaker 6: Yeah, is your bald hubby? Sixy o eight hundred eighty

1783
01:25:00,933 --> 01:25:03,213
Speaker 6: ten eighty can't you've been shaving.

1784
01:25:02,933 --> 01:25:06,333
Speaker 3: Your head since you're fourteen? I understand, I sure have.

1785
01:25:08,372 --> 01:25:11,412
Speaker 27: Yeah, I got we're gonna heaters who. I was forteen

1786
01:25:11,412 --> 01:25:13,333
Speaker 27: and they said, you've got a widow speak, give us

1787
01:25:14,293 --> 01:25:17,973
Speaker 27: two powers, give the travel ground. And I took what

1788
01:25:18,173 --> 01:25:20,333
Speaker 27: sort of his soul was to go piss back, and

1789
01:25:20,732 --> 01:25:25,532
Speaker 27: she said, shave it. So yeah, I can go here,

1790
01:25:25,652 --> 01:25:27,532
Speaker 27: but I choose to shave it every.

1791
01:25:27,853 --> 01:25:30,492
Speaker 2: Every right, And so are we shaved right back down

1792
01:25:30,772 --> 01:25:32,812
Speaker 2: to skin or your is it a number one?

1793
01:25:32,853 --> 01:25:35,732
Speaker 3: What are you? What are you running there? I can't razor?

1794
01:25:39,133 --> 01:25:40,452
Speaker 3: And have you got a good have you got a

1795
01:25:40,492 --> 01:25:41,253
Speaker 3: good shaped skull?

1796
01:25:42,692 --> 01:25:42,892
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1797
01:25:43,652 --> 01:25:45,412
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's important.

1798
01:25:46,692 --> 01:25:50,053
Speaker 27: I mean I'll get up in the morning rub my

1799
01:25:50,133 --> 01:25:53,253
Speaker 27: hands over my head once he has done, like it's

1800
01:25:53,372 --> 01:25:55,372
Speaker 27: just yeah, it's just easy.

1801
01:25:55,652 --> 01:25:57,053
Speaker 3: Have you got one of those shavers that you hold

1802
01:25:57,093 --> 01:25:59,173
Speaker 3: from above in sort of circle round?

1803
01:26:00,173 --> 01:26:00,213
Speaker 6: No?

1804
01:26:03,893 --> 01:26:05,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when you were fourteen and you were

1805
01:26:06,013 --> 01:26:08,532
Speaker 2: shaving your head, so you're going through high skin with

1806
01:26:08,732 --> 01:26:10,213
Speaker 2: with nothing on your head.

1807
01:26:10,652 --> 01:26:10,893
Speaker 8: You know what?

1808
01:26:11,293 --> 01:26:13,132
Speaker 3: What was that with the questions asked.

1809
01:26:14,692 --> 01:26:14,852
Speaker 28: Here?

1810
01:26:14,933 --> 01:26:21,772
Speaker 27: There was there was a bit of racism, it about

1811
01:26:22,173 --> 01:26:24,852
Speaker 27: how I looked. I guess I was in the multi

1812
01:26:24,853 --> 01:26:29,812
Speaker 27: culture group for three years they came risite school, So yes,

1813
01:26:29,933 --> 01:26:33,972
Speaker 27: there was, I mean clearly, yeah, I was the only

1814
01:26:34,013 --> 01:26:35,892
Speaker 27: white guy on that go.

1815
01:26:37,253 --> 01:26:39,452
Speaker 2: And look, I feel your pain with the double crown

1816
01:26:39,692 --> 01:26:41,692
Speaker 2: because I've got a double crown, and basically when I

1817
01:26:41,812 --> 01:26:43,532
Speaker 2: go into it, when I go to a hear drist today,

1818
01:26:43,572 --> 01:26:45,933
Speaker 2: basically there's no way you can tide it. There's no

1819
01:26:45,973 --> 01:26:47,692
Speaker 2: way you can a tidy haircut with the double crown.

1820
01:26:47,692 --> 01:26:49,652
Speaker 2: There's always a bit sticking up on a weird angle.

1821
01:26:51,372 --> 01:26:53,333
Speaker 6: You are a little bit ALPHI fish.

1822
01:26:54,093 --> 01:26:58,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And so so if you don't mind me

1823
01:26:58,652 --> 01:27:02,133
Speaker 2: asking how long has that been shaving your head?

1824
01:27:02,173 --> 01:27:03,932
Speaker 3: Then how many years have you started? When you're fourteen?

1825
01:27:07,492 --> 01:27:09,253
Speaker 3: That's a good good innings.

1826
01:27:09,213 --> 01:27:09,972
Speaker 6: Really good innings.

1827
01:27:10,452 --> 01:27:13,013
Speaker 4: And so now that you know you're an adult, can

1828
01:27:13,253 --> 01:27:15,372
Speaker 4: do you think you you get a bit more attention

1829
01:27:15,452 --> 01:27:17,053
Speaker 4: from the ladies or from the men for that matter.

1830
01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:25,053
Speaker 27: I get my beautiful white person. Yeah, that's that's that's

1831
01:27:25,093 --> 01:27:28,173
Speaker 27: the thing. She loves it so good.

1832
01:27:28,853 --> 01:27:30,852
Speaker 3: She's never asked you to grow a ponytail or anything,

1833
01:27:31,013 --> 01:27:33,852
Speaker 3: just for you know, for a bit of a lass.

1834
01:27:35,772 --> 01:27:39,932
Speaker 27: No, no, you're kind of yeah, you really.

1835
01:27:39,853 --> 01:27:40,173
Speaker 5: Like to know.

1836
01:27:41,133 --> 01:27:43,732
Speaker 3: Oh, good on, you can't smooth all the way see

1837
01:27:44,293 --> 01:27:46,013
Speaker 3: right off the bat. So what was the what was

1838
01:27:46,053 --> 01:27:47,612
Speaker 3: the headline on the bloody billboard?

1839
01:27:48,532 --> 01:27:51,093
Speaker 6: You look bitter baled? Said? No one ever? Well can't

1840
01:27:51,133 --> 01:27:54,053
Speaker 6: see that he rocks it. That's fourteen good man. I

1841
01:27:54,173 --> 01:27:55,772
Speaker 6: had one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number

1842
01:27:55,812 --> 01:27:56,053
Speaker 6: to call.

1843
01:27:56,173 --> 01:27:59,013
Speaker 3: Welcome to show, Greg, Do you get her?

1844
01:27:59,053 --> 01:28:01,133
Speaker 24: Guys are going very well?

1845
01:28:01,133 --> 01:28:02,812
Speaker 3: And I understand that you're a happy board man.

1846
01:28:04,133 --> 01:28:05,973
Speaker 24: Well, you know, you don't get a choice whether you're

1847
01:28:05,973 --> 01:28:08,852
Speaker 24: going board often or not. So you've either got decide

1848
01:28:08,893 --> 01:28:11,933
Speaker 24: to get on with it, really, and that's what I

1849
01:28:12,053 --> 01:28:12,492
Speaker 24: chose to do.

1850
01:28:13,812 --> 01:28:15,973
Speaker 3: And So when when did you discover that you were

1851
01:28:16,173 --> 01:28:18,532
Speaker 3: that you were going bald? Greg? How old were you?

1852
01:28:19,452 --> 01:28:19,572
Speaker 8: Oh?

1853
01:28:19,612 --> 01:28:20,812
Speaker 24: I was probably about twenty four.

1854
01:28:21,452 --> 01:28:23,093
Speaker 3: Was that a shock to you? Did you did you

1855
01:28:23,412 --> 01:28:25,093
Speaker 3: suffer some emotional pain around that?

1856
01:28:26,173 --> 01:28:26,293
Speaker 8: Oh?

1857
01:28:26,732 --> 01:28:28,692
Speaker 24: I think you know, if you've got to hear the

1858
01:28:28,732 --> 01:28:30,532
Speaker 24: hear and all of a sudden you're losing it. It's

1859
01:28:30,732 --> 01:28:32,612
Speaker 24: it's not a happy moment. But as I say, you know,

1860
01:28:32,652 --> 01:28:35,532
Speaker 24: you've got to choose to either be unhappy or get

1861
01:28:35,572 --> 01:28:38,372
Speaker 24: on with it. I just decided to do something about it.

1862
01:28:38,893 --> 01:28:40,013
Speaker 3: And what did you do about it?

1863
01:28:41,053 --> 01:28:42,532
Speaker 24: I just went to a number three, then I went

1864
01:28:42,572 --> 01:28:43,732
Speaker 24: to a number one, and then I was sick of

1865
01:28:43,772 --> 01:28:45,612
Speaker 24: doing a number one, so I just decided to save.

1866
01:28:45,492 --> 01:28:46,772
Speaker 23: It all off, right, right?

1867
01:28:47,253 --> 01:28:49,892
Speaker 3: You never thought about rocking the you know, the Captain

1868
01:28:49,933 --> 01:28:51,333
Speaker 3: Steubing or the Larry David.

1869
01:28:53,572 --> 01:28:57,013
Speaker 24: No, not really, no, no, just you just got to

1870
01:28:57,053 --> 01:28:58,933
Speaker 24: get on with it. Really, you know, you have a

1871
01:28:58,973 --> 01:29:01,253
Speaker 24: problem with I've been you know, I'm now in my

1872
01:29:01,372 --> 01:29:05,412
Speaker 24: late sixties, so and I wouldn't even think about trying

1873
01:29:05,452 --> 01:29:08,972
Speaker 24: to get here now. Yeah, thanks, we go to parties,

1874
01:29:09,013 --> 01:29:10,732
Speaker 24: I will put a wig on and no one recognize it.

1875
01:29:12,013 --> 01:29:14,132
Speaker 3: So what do you think when you see a bullbird

1876
01:29:14,213 --> 01:29:15,972
Speaker 3: headline like this? What was it again?

1877
01:29:16,053 --> 01:29:16,293
Speaker 27: Tyler?

1878
01:29:16,492 --> 01:29:17,932
Speaker 6: You look better baled? Said?

1879
01:29:18,013 --> 01:29:19,973
Speaker 2: No one ever, you know does that because because this

1880
01:29:20,253 --> 01:29:22,372
Speaker 2: woman that's complained about it said that it's it's cruel.

1881
01:29:22,412 --> 01:29:24,932
Speaker 3: It's going to make bald people feel bad about themselves.

1882
01:29:25,053 --> 01:29:26,892
Speaker 3: Does something like that make you feel bad? About yourself.

1883
01:29:27,213 --> 01:29:27,452
Speaker 10: Great.

1884
01:29:28,133 --> 01:29:30,612
Speaker 24: Oh mate, I've been this way that long now I

1885
01:29:30,652 --> 01:29:31,972
Speaker 24: wouldn't even give it a second tour.

1886
01:29:32,293 --> 01:29:35,772
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it quite a bit of admin being completely bald?

1887
01:29:35,853 --> 01:29:38,053
Speaker 4: You have to do the shaving, the extra shaving each day.

1888
01:29:39,133 --> 01:29:42,412
Speaker 24: No, I just I use one of those close shaved ones.

1889
01:29:42,452 --> 01:29:44,412
Speaker 24: So I just wake up in the morning, I have

1890
01:29:44,572 --> 01:29:47,452
Speaker 24: a before I ever show, I shave, I jump in

1891
01:29:47,452 --> 01:29:48,812
Speaker 24: and have a shower, and I'm off and gone for

1892
01:29:48,893 --> 01:29:52,932
Speaker 24: the day. Your head dry? Simple?

1893
01:29:53,532 --> 01:29:57,093
Speaker 2: Do you think that if you could grow here you

1894
01:29:57,173 --> 01:29:59,893
Speaker 2: would still shave it? If there was a pill that

1895
01:30:00,013 --> 01:30:03,253
Speaker 2: you could take tomorrow and you immediately grew here, do

1896
01:30:03,372 --> 01:30:05,053
Speaker 2: you think you would take that pill? Or would you

1897
01:30:05,452 --> 01:30:07,053
Speaker 2: be quite happy just to have that, you know, the

1898
01:30:07,372 --> 01:30:08,852
Speaker 2: smooth feeling of lost your head?

1899
01:30:09,933 --> 01:30:10,093
Speaker 23: Oh?

1900
01:30:10,213 --> 01:30:12,253
Speaker 24: Probably, but maybe back in my forties I might have.

1901
01:30:12,333 --> 01:30:14,892
Speaker 24: But now no, no, I'm happy, very happy with the words.

1902
01:30:15,372 --> 01:30:17,532
Speaker 4: Oh good on you, great man, like your style. Greg,

1903
01:30:17,572 --> 01:30:19,253
Speaker 4: thanks for giving us a bars. Oh eight one hundred

1904
01:30:19,253 --> 01:30:21,333
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call if

1905
01:30:21,412 --> 01:30:23,293
Speaker 4: you are baled. How do you feel about it? Do

1906
01:30:23,372 --> 01:30:25,492
Speaker 4: you wear it with pride? I don't think where it

1907
01:30:25,612 --> 01:30:27,852
Speaker 4: is quite the right phrasing there, But are you proud

1908
01:30:27,933 --> 01:30:30,772
Speaker 4: of being baled. And if you've got a bald husband,

1909
01:30:30,853 --> 01:30:31,452
Speaker 4: love to hear from you.

1910
01:30:31,572 --> 01:30:32,852
Speaker 6: Do you love it? Do you think it's sixty?

1911
01:30:33,293 --> 01:30:35,532
Speaker 2: John says, Hey, guys on bald, just let me Dad.

1912
01:30:36,133 --> 01:30:38,333
Speaker 2: He used to say, there are only so many perfect heads.

1913
01:30:39,053 --> 01:30:42,052
Speaker 2: The rest have here on them. My lovely partner, Angela

1914
01:30:42,293 --> 01:30:44,452
Speaker 2: loves my beautiful bald head.

1915
01:30:44,492 --> 01:30:45,572
Speaker 3: There you go, cheers John.

1916
01:30:45,692 --> 01:30:48,093
Speaker 6: Good on your John. It is twenty two past three.

1917
01:30:48,213 --> 01:30:50,693
Speaker 6: Back very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

1918
01:30:54,333 --> 01:30:58,012
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1919
01:30:58,093 --> 01:30:59,933
Speaker 1: ten eighty on youth Talk zab.

1920
01:31:00,053 --> 01:31:02,652
Speaker 6: Twenty four past three and is bald beautiful?

1921
01:31:02,933 --> 01:31:03,133
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1922
01:31:03,293 --> 01:31:06,213
Speaker 2: So read the bald Discussion says this text. I got

1923
01:31:06,253 --> 01:31:07,932
Speaker 2: sick of the ball joke, so it ended up getting

1924
01:31:07,973 --> 01:31:10,492
Speaker 2: a wig and love the new look. It has its challenges,

1925
01:31:10,532 --> 01:31:12,532
Speaker 2: of course, keeps me warm and protects my skin. No

1926
01:31:12,652 --> 01:31:15,932
Speaker 2: more ball jokes. It's okay if you are good looking

1927
01:31:16,333 --> 01:31:19,372
Speaker 2: to be bored. I mean you've got to be careful

1928
01:31:19,412 --> 01:31:22,372
Speaker 2: that you get the rug right though, because you might

1929
01:31:22,452 --> 01:31:24,213
Speaker 2: move on from ball jokes to rug jokes.

1930
01:31:24,532 --> 01:31:26,253
Speaker 6: Very true and going to nail that part.

1931
01:31:26,572 --> 01:31:29,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guess I see, I see a

1932
01:31:29,692 --> 01:31:33,812
Speaker 2: few rugs around, you do, but maybe the ones that

1933
01:31:33,893 --> 01:31:35,852
Speaker 2: I don't see, you can't tell that they're rugs.

1934
01:31:36,133 --> 01:31:39,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean whig technology. I imagine it's come quite

1935
01:31:39,532 --> 01:31:41,012
Speaker 4: fast since the yearly rug days.

1936
01:31:41,053 --> 01:31:43,732
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone judges anyone for getting their here done.

1937
01:31:43,772 --> 01:31:45,213
Speaker 2: Now to flip to the other side of it, if

1938
01:31:45,253 --> 01:31:47,372
Speaker 2: someone wanted to get plugs or however you get your

1939
01:31:47,412 --> 01:31:49,732
Speaker 2: hair fixed, whatever it. If someone saying there's a pill

1940
01:31:49,812 --> 01:31:51,492
Speaker 2: you take, I mean, I know there's a pill that

1941
01:31:51,692 --> 01:31:53,492
Speaker 2: there's a little blue pill you take for another thing.

1942
01:31:53,572 --> 01:31:58,772
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know nothing, but no one judges you anymore.

1943
01:31:58,893 --> 01:32:03,213
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Shane Warn, Greg Matthews, and you

1944
01:32:03,293 --> 01:32:04,172
Speaker 2: know Martin Crow.

1945
01:32:04,133 --> 01:32:04,892
Speaker 6: He led from the front.

1946
01:32:04,973 --> 01:32:06,412
Speaker 2: They all leave from the front. And now, if someone

1947
01:32:06,452 --> 01:32:08,253
Speaker 2: wants to get their hair plugs and then good.

1948
01:32:08,133 --> 01:32:08,972
Speaker 6: On them exactly.

1949
01:32:09,093 --> 01:32:11,932
Speaker 3: But equally, if you want to go bored, then then

1950
01:32:12,692 --> 01:32:16,812
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, no judgment, you're either. Good on you. Danielle,

1951
01:32:16,853 --> 01:32:21,053
Speaker 3: welcome to the show, Thank you, hello, your thoughts on

1952
01:32:21,133 --> 01:32:22,772
Speaker 3: this billboard and baldness in general.

1953
01:32:22,893 --> 01:32:29,812
Speaker 28: Danielle, Well, I am someone who has dated and married twice.

1954
01:32:30,053 --> 01:32:31,692
Speaker 28: One of one of them was bald and one of

1955
01:32:31,732 --> 01:32:32,932
Speaker 28: them had hair, So I'm.

1956
01:32:33,013 --> 01:32:35,572
Speaker 3: You know you did You didn't divorce the bald one

1957
01:32:35,652 --> 01:32:36,412
Speaker 3: for being baled, did you?

1958
01:32:37,333 --> 01:32:38,532
Speaker 28: No? I certainly did not.

1959
01:32:39,093 --> 01:32:43,253
Speaker 15: But and I think bondness certainly works for the Jason.

1960
01:32:42,973 --> 01:32:45,333
Speaker 28: Stathens and the Bruce Willison of the world. So I

1961
01:32:45,412 --> 01:32:49,053
Speaker 28: don't really agree with the billboard. But I would also

1962
01:32:49,213 --> 01:32:51,973
Speaker 28: just say that if we changed the wording, and if

1963
01:32:52,053 --> 01:32:58,173
Speaker 28: that billboard had said you look way better overweight, said

1964
01:32:58,253 --> 01:33:02,173
Speaker 28: no one ever, and we decided to target obese or

1965
01:33:02,293 --> 01:33:06,692
Speaker 28: overweight people, if we changed that one word, it would

1966
01:33:06,772 --> 01:33:08,132
Speaker 28: never have passed the standards.

1967
01:33:09,213 --> 01:33:11,692
Speaker 3: No, Oddly it wouldn't have, would it.

1968
01:33:12,213 --> 01:33:12,932
Speaker 18: So why.

1969
01:33:14,612 --> 01:33:16,532
Speaker 2: I think we're more okay with hastling mean than we

1970
01:33:16,612 --> 01:33:19,053
Speaker 2: are with harestling. Woman, do you think that's a possibility?

1971
01:33:20,173 --> 01:33:24,732
Speaker 28: Well, basically exists, and being overweight exists as a social

1972
01:33:25,053 --> 01:33:27,093
Speaker 28: construct for both men and women.

1973
01:33:27,213 --> 01:33:29,572
Speaker 3: It's a very good point. I went to women straight away.

1974
01:33:29,812 --> 01:33:30,652
Speaker 3: That was terriful of me.

1975
01:33:31,853 --> 01:33:36,293
Speaker 28: Yeah, that's so, that's that's lovely, that's the conditioned of

1976
01:33:36,372 --> 01:33:37,372
Speaker 28: you to go in that way.

1977
01:33:38,173 --> 01:33:40,093
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking, I was actually thinking of a

1978
01:33:40,133 --> 01:33:43,213
Speaker 2: particular advertising I just saw like there was a Calvin

1979
01:33:43,253 --> 01:33:46,532
Speaker 2: kliinb advertising with an obese woman on it. So I

1980
01:33:46,652 --> 01:33:48,333
Speaker 2: was actually just one popped in my mind. I'm not

1981
01:33:48,372 --> 01:33:51,173
Speaker 2: a horrible misogynistic No, no you're not.

1982
01:33:51,333 --> 01:33:54,692
Speaker 28: But if we had decided to fat shame obese people

1983
01:33:55,213 --> 01:33:57,932
Speaker 28: and change that one word in that billboard, it would

1984
01:33:58,053 --> 01:33:58,932
Speaker 28: never have passed.

1985
01:33:59,093 --> 01:34:01,692
Speaker 8: And so in my view, yeah, it is.

1986
01:34:02,893 --> 01:34:05,253
Speaker 3: It is the meaning do you think it's easier to

1987
01:34:05,772 --> 01:34:09,973
Speaker 3: become thin than it is to become here? Suit? You

1988
01:34:10,053 --> 01:34:10,612
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

1989
01:34:11,853 --> 01:34:15,133
Speaker 28: I think that that's a very subjective question. I think

1990
01:34:15,253 --> 01:34:19,412
Speaker 28: if you ask a lot of like vast majority of

1991
01:34:20,452 --> 01:34:24,772
Speaker 28: Maori and Pacifica who by nature a heavy set, the

1992
01:34:24,853 --> 01:34:26,812
Speaker 28: answer to that would we know if you ask people

1993
01:34:26,893 --> 01:34:31,092
Speaker 28: in the Chinese population, who by nature are extremely slender,

1994
01:34:31,293 --> 01:34:33,932
Speaker 28: the answer to that would be yes. So I don't

1995
01:34:34,013 --> 01:34:36,812
Speaker 28: think that there's a broad yes or no answer.

1996
01:34:38,053 --> 01:34:39,213
Speaker 17: But I do believe that.

1997
01:34:41,013 --> 01:34:43,772
Speaker 28: That boldness and that sexiness or being attractive as a

1998
01:34:43,853 --> 01:34:46,012
Speaker 28: state of mind rather than a state of hair.

1999
01:34:46,732 --> 01:34:49,213
Speaker 4: I mean, it's an interesting point, Dannielle, But isn't it

2000
01:34:49,452 --> 01:34:51,732
Speaker 4: For a lot of advertising, that sort of message is

2001
01:34:51,772 --> 01:34:54,372
Speaker 4: already implied, whether it is about being bored or whether

2002
01:34:54,452 --> 01:34:56,933
Speaker 4: it is making people feeling bad about being overweight. You know,

2003
01:34:56,973 --> 01:34:59,772
Speaker 4: all the advertising for a z empack, for example. It

2004
01:34:59,893 --> 01:35:02,612
Speaker 4: might be quite cruel to say it, as you just

2005
01:35:02,772 --> 01:35:06,253
Speaker 4: mentioned there, but the underlying intention there is that there

2006
01:35:06,333 --> 01:35:08,812
Speaker 4: is a problem that you're overweight and ozempic can help you.

2007
01:35:09,333 --> 01:35:13,173
Speaker 28: Yeah. But the derogatory thing in that billboard that isn't

2008
01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:16,372
Speaker 28: the first line. It's the second line. It's the said

2009
01:35:16,652 --> 01:35:17,532
Speaker 28: no one ever.

2010
01:35:18,213 --> 01:35:18,452
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2011
01:35:18,612 --> 01:35:20,013
Speaker 28: Yeah, that's damaging.

2012
01:35:20,772 --> 01:35:22,013
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's damaging.

2013
01:35:22,492 --> 01:35:23,612
Speaker 8: It's the wrong people.

2014
01:35:23,853 --> 01:35:26,012
Speaker 28: This is empowering, Yeah, damaging.

2015
01:35:26,293 --> 01:35:28,173
Speaker 2: This is I mean, they're definitely trying to make you

2016
01:35:28,213 --> 01:35:30,013
Speaker 2: feel bad so you buy their product. That's that's what

2017
01:35:30,093 --> 01:35:32,213
Speaker 2: they're trying to do. It's an interesting form of advertising.

2018
01:35:32,492 --> 01:35:32,612
Speaker 28: You know.

2019
01:35:32,732 --> 01:35:35,812
Speaker 2: Sometimes people advertise by you know, they'll sell a car

2020
01:35:35,973 --> 01:35:37,692
Speaker 2: by showing you the lifestyle. You know, you're going to

2021
01:35:37,772 --> 01:35:39,173
Speaker 2: drive out to the country, you go to the beach,

2022
01:35:39,253 --> 01:35:41,532
Speaker 2: you do this thing, and so you associate happiness or

2023
01:35:41,572 --> 01:35:43,932
Speaker 2: positivity with it. This is a type of advertising where

2024
01:35:43,973 --> 01:35:47,093
Speaker 2: it's saying you should feel bad for the way that

2025
01:35:47,213 --> 01:35:47,532
Speaker 2: you look.

2026
01:35:47,572 --> 01:35:50,492
Speaker 3: If you're ball to buy our product, it's good and we.

2027
01:35:50,612 --> 01:35:51,093
Speaker 12: Do do that.

2028
01:35:51,253 --> 01:35:53,492
Speaker 28: We do do that bear based advertising with things like

2029
01:35:53,612 --> 01:35:57,253
Speaker 28: drink driving. Those campaigns work, right, So that would be

2030
01:35:57,293 --> 01:36:01,612
Speaker 28: another example of a socially appropriate campaign based on fear.

2031
01:36:01,812 --> 01:36:03,973
Speaker 3: That's one that I can back on on board with

2032
01:36:04,053 --> 01:36:05,772
Speaker 3: those ones exactly.

2033
01:36:06,213 --> 01:36:08,412
Speaker 28: And so it's not to say that it doesn't have

2034
01:36:08,532 --> 01:36:10,893
Speaker 28: its face, yeah, but it is to say that I

2035
01:36:11,093 --> 01:36:14,692
Speaker 28: believe it doesn't have its place this in this framework.

2036
01:36:14,772 --> 01:36:17,333
Speaker 28: And if you can easily tell that by changing that

2037
01:36:17,492 --> 01:36:21,253
Speaker 28: one word from bold to obese and reading the same

2038
01:36:21,372 --> 01:36:24,093
Speaker 28: sentence and find out what the standards committee would think

2039
01:36:24,133 --> 01:36:25,012
Speaker 28: of that, well.

2040
01:36:24,973 --> 01:36:27,333
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for you call Danielle great point. Yeah,

2041
01:36:27,492 --> 01:36:28,533
Speaker 3: I can't believe.

2042
01:36:28,492 --> 01:36:30,492
Speaker 2: That you immediately thought it was going to be a

2043
01:36:30,532 --> 01:36:34,893
Speaker 2: Bill Woodsho's describing with a woman on it. Tyler, I

2044
01:36:34,893 --> 01:36:36,333
Speaker 2: don't believe that that's what you faced.

2045
01:36:36,973 --> 01:36:40,932
Speaker 6: My name's Roger is being on up US three headlines

2046
01:36:40,973 --> 01:36:41,333
Speaker 6: coming up.

2047
01:36:43,933 --> 01:36:47,532
Speaker 18: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2048
01:36:47,612 --> 01:36:50,612
Speaker 18: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Trade Minister is

2049
01:36:50,692 --> 01:36:53,972
Speaker 18: asking to speak with US representatives to push for lower

2050
01:36:54,093 --> 01:36:58,412
Speaker 18: tariffs or none at all. US President Donald Trump's confirmed

2051
01:36:58,532 --> 01:37:01,572
Speaker 18: based tariffs on New Zealand will increase from ten to

2052
01:37:01,732 --> 01:37:05,812
Speaker 18: fifteen percent. Police are investigating how a three month old

2053
01:37:05,893 --> 01:37:10,132
Speaker 18: from Masterton sustained what they believed to be non accidental injuries.

2054
01:37:10,532 --> 01:37:14,612
Speaker 18: The baby girl remains in critical condition in Auckland Starship Hospital.

2055
01:37:15,492 --> 01:37:15,692
Speaker 11: Health.

2056
01:37:15,772 --> 01:37:18,972
Speaker 18: New Zealand's described or launched I'm Sorry launched a review

2057
01:37:19,213 --> 01:37:23,333
Speaker 18: after a man described as dangerous absconded from care in

2058
01:37:23,452 --> 01:37:26,492
Speaker 18: christ Church last night. Police found the thirty five year

2059
01:37:26,532 --> 01:37:30,852
Speaker 18: old man this morning after carrying out extensive inquiries. A

2060
01:37:30,973 --> 01:37:34,612
Speaker 18: person's died after crashing a stolen motorbike in Auckland's book

2061
01:37:34,652 --> 01:37:39,333
Speaker 18: a Cohed this afternoon. The national tsunami advisory, issued following

2062
01:37:39,412 --> 01:37:42,293
Speaker 18: a major earthquake off the east coast of Russia, is

2063
01:37:42,372 --> 01:37:45,973
Speaker 18: now canceled. However, Civil Defense says there may still be

2064
01:37:46,093 --> 01:37:51,053
Speaker 18: strong and unusual currents until Monday. Auckland art gallerist on

2065
01:37:51,213 --> 01:37:55,452
Speaker 18: why New Zealand urgently needs a cultural gifting program. Read

2066
01:37:55,452 --> 01:37:58,013
Speaker 18: the full column at ends at Herald Premium. Back to

2067
01:37:58,093 --> 01:37:59,693
Speaker 18: Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

2068
01:37:59,452 --> 01:38:01,412
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are will.

2069
01:38:01,452 --> 01:38:03,933
Speaker 4: We have asked the question as bored beautiful after a

2070
01:38:03,973 --> 01:38:06,372
Speaker 4: bit of pushback from a billboard. The billboard says you'd

2071
01:38:06,412 --> 01:38:09,772
Speaker 4: look better bored, said no one ever. If you are

2072
01:38:09,893 --> 01:38:11,492
Speaker 4: rocking a chrome dome. We'd love to hear from you

2073
01:38:11,532 --> 01:38:13,492
Speaker 4: on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

2074
01:38:13,893 --> 01:38:17,253
Speaker 2: I think that the name of the character is Oh boy,

2075
01:38:17,412 --> 01:38:20,612
Speaker 2: what's he's from? That TV show Criminal Minds? Yes, and

2076
01:38:21,133 --> 01:38:23,333
Speaker 2: he and you watch because we watched. Me and my

2077
01:38:23,412 --> 01:38:25,093
Speaker 2: partner watched the series right from the start recent and

2078
01:38:25,133 --> 01:38:26,932
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what streamer zombie watching it from the start,

2079
01:38:27,133 --> 01:38:30,013
Speaker 2: and he starts off with here and then and then

2080
01:38:30,053 --> 01:38:34,173
Speaker 2: it's really discombobulating because you've watched the latest the later

2081
01:38:34,253 --> 01:38:36,933
Speaker 2: episodes when he doesn't have here, and he looks so

2082
01:38:37,133 --> 01:38:38,053
Speaker 2: much better without here.

2083
01:38:38,293 --> 01:38:40,173
Speaker 6: He's a freaking male model. There guy, isn't he? He

2084
01:38:40,333 --> 01:38:43,213
Speaker 6: is a Moore. That's him, isn't it. It goes by

2085
01:38:43,293 --> 01:38:44,812
Speaker 6: Derek Morgan, I think is the character's name.

2086
01:38:44,893 --> 01:38:46,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that guy that is that.

2087
01:38:47,053 --> 01:38:49,412
Speaker 2: That's an example, great text here, That's an example that

2088
01:38:49,532 --> 01:38:53,013
Speaker 2: totally proves it, because I just experienced that. I've been

2089
01:38:53,013 --> 01:38:54,852
Speaker 2: watching the later series and I went back in your

2090
01:38:54,853 --> 01:38:55,532
Speaker 2: head here and I went.

2091
01:38:57,053 --> 01:38:58,213
Speaker 11: Off, get it off.

2092
01:38:58,732 --> 01:39:01,532
Speaker 3: That a horrible mess off the top of your head, shemour.

2093
01:39:01,612 --> 01:39:02,772
Speaker 6: Yeah, what a great text.

2094
01:39:03,013 --> 01:39:06,732
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, you've been a you've had a chrome domes

2095
01:39:06,893 --> 01:39:09,372
Speaker 4: from mid thirties yeah, mate.

2096
01:39:09,572 --> 01:39:11,972
Speaker 8: Late twenties, early serties, and now I'm fifty.

2097
01:39:12,532 --> 01:39:16,092
Speaker 9: Bess thing mate, I don't need to worry about shampoo

2098
01:39:16,452 --> 01:39:18,572
Speaker 9: or the likes of headlights and.

2099
01:39:18,612 --> 01:39:19,492
Speaker 16: All that sort of stuff.

2100
01:39:20,293 --> 01:39:22,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a constant worry for me. Head lights, now,

2101
01:39:22,333 --> 01:39:26,293
Speaker 2: I'm sure. So do you think if you could grow

2102
01:39:26,412 --> 01:39:29,852
Speaker 2: here you would or would you keep shaving it off?

2103
01:39:31,133 --> 01:39:32,732
Speaker 27: Keep saving it off? Mate? Right?

2104
01:39:34,293 --> 01:39:34,492
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2105
01:39:35,173 --> 01:39:37,492
Speaker 6: Do you use a bit of moisturizer on the top

2106
01:39:37,532 --> 01:39:38,133
Speaker 6: of the head shorn?

2107
01:39:38,253 --> 01:39:38,612
Speaker 15: Is that you know?

2108
01:39:38,692 --> 01:39:39,412
Speaker 6: But it admon there?

2109
01:39:40,492 --> 01:39:42,293
Speaker 8: Nah, just go for it.

2110
01:39:42,612 --> 01:39:44,412
Speaker 6: And that's a some block or hat.

2111
01:39:45,933 --> 01:39:46,972
Speaker 17: Some block and hat.

2112
01:39:47,173 --> 01:39:48,572
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, that's important.

2113
01:39:49,053 --> 01:39:53,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the old was there any point when you

2114
01:39:53,772 --> 01:39:55,572
Speaker 3: were unhappy about it? Worried about it? I mean, obviously

2115
01:39:55,572 --> 01:39:57,652
Speaker 3: you're very confident with in your in your in your

2116
01:39:57,652 --> 01:39:59,852
Speaker 3: early fifties, but it was there a point where where

2117
01:39:59,853 --> 01:40:00,412
Speaker 3: it concerns you?

2118
01:40:00,452 --> 01:40:03,053
Speaker 13: Sean, Nah, I can't help it.

2119
01:40:03,173 --> 01:40:05,772
Speaker 27: So yeah, my support it or.

2120
01:40:05,772 --> 01:40:06,093
Speaker 28: Do you go?

2121
01:40:06,372 --> 01:40:06,492
Speaker 5: Man?

2122
01:40:06,732 --> 01:40:07,372
Speaker 3: Good attitude?

2123
01:40:07,612 --> 01:40:10,293
Speaker 2: See, that's the attitud owner and and and that attitude

2124
01:40:11,173 --> 01:40:15,253
Speaker 2: is destroys the spillboard. Yeah, this destroys because you can't

2125
01:40:15,293 --> 01:40:17,093
Speaker 2: you know, you can't. You don't need Sean spending money

2126
01:40:17,133 --> 01:40:18,932
Speaker 2: with you with you trying to make him feel bad

2127
01:40:18,933 --> 01:40:19,812
Speaker 2: because he's happy.

2128
01:40:19,853 --> 01:40:21,333
Speaker 3: He doesn't here, he's a confident man.

2129
01:40:21,492 --> 01:40:27,612
Speaker 6: He rots it. Uh, you're very good.

2130
01:40:27,772 --> 01:40:28,452
Speaker 29: Lovely program.

2131
01:40:28,612 --> 01:40:30,012
Speaker 17: Love this love this topic.

2132
01:40:30,173 --> 01:40:33,572
Speaker 29: Actually, I'm gonna make three very quick points if it's

2133
01:40:33,612 --> 01:40:35,173
Speaker 29: okay with you, love them.

2134
01:40:36,732 --> 01:40:39,012
Speaker 17: I wonder how the rest of the world would behave

2135
01:40:39,293 --> 01:40:42,453
Speaker 17: if such a topic was put up. For Oh, Angelina,

2136
01:40:42,692 --> 01:40:45,492
Speaker 17: Angelina Jolie, you don't look sixty because you've had double

2137
01:40:45,532 --> 01:40:48,532
Speaker 17: mis ectomy. It's a it's a it's a it's a

2138
01:40:48,612 --> 01:40:50,892
Speaker 17: medical problem. She had to remove her books, right, Ye,

2139
01:40:51,572 --> 01:40:54,892
Speaker 17: men grow bold, women grow bold because it's a it's

2140
01:40:54,893 --> 01:40:57,692
Speaker 17: a medical problem. So that person who's posed to put

2141
01:40:57,772 --> 01:41:00,133
Speaker 17: this post, I think she needs to or she or

2142
01:41:00,213 --> 01:41:03,053
Speaker 17: E or whatever they are, needs to probably look at

2143
01:41:03,093 --> 01:41:06,492
Speaker 17: her father and just say, hey, emotional hum here, because

2144
01:41:06,492 --> 01:41:09,452
Speaker 17: there's a lot of people who true through, you know,

2145
01:41:11,293 --> 01:41:12,412
Speaker 17: over loss of here.

2146
01:41:12,452 --> 01:41:13,932
Speaker 29: It's not a very nice thing to go through.

2147
01:41:14,053 --> 01:41:15,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think.

2148
01:41:15,173 --> 01:41:16,973
Speaker 2: I think the person that wrote the billboard and came

2149
01:41:17,013 --> 01:41:18,932
Speaker 2: up with that, But I mean, did they feel good

2150
01:41:18,933 --> 01:41:20,652
Speaker 2: about themselves for coming up with a billboard like that.

2151
01:41:20,772 --> 01:41:24,333
Speaker 2: That's just trying to make people feel bad to sell products.

2152
01:41:25,213 --> 01:41:27,732
Speaker 17: Exactly now. Number two quick one.

2153
01:41:28,372 --> 01:41:31,932
Speaker 29: My wife that I we've been married happily twenty three

2154
01:41:32,013 --> 01:41:37,893
Speaker 29: years now, made me when I was very bored, and

2155
01:41:38,572 --> 01:41:42,213
Speaker 29: she stole my hair photos of my younger days.

2156
01:41:42,412 --> 01:41:44,333
Speaker 17: Long after we were married. She was going through some

2157
01:41:44,492 --> 01:41:46,372
Speaker 17: albums a few years ago and she looked at my

2158
01:41:46,492 --> 01:41:48,692
Speaker 17: photo and goes, what you look like with here? And

2159
01:41:48,732 --> 01:41:51,213
Speaker 17: I'm like, yep, she goes, I'd never have chosen you

2160
01:41:52,452 --> 01:41:57,692
Speaker 17: yo married. You know, if that tells you that I

2161
01:41:57,732 --> 01:42:00,012
Speaker 17: look sixt year with no hair, probably yeah.

2162
01:41:59,812 --> 01:42:02,972
Speaker 3: I think I think that's that's evidence. That's evidence right, good.

2163
01:42:04,572 --> 01:42:06,932
Speaker 17: If you've got quick moment for a very quick joke.

2164
01:42:07,692 --> 01:42:09,852
Speaker 17: It was something there was uplifting for me when I

2165
01:42:10,013 --> 01:42:11,812
Speaker 17: was twenty one hours losing quite a bit of hair,

2166
01:42:12,173 --> 01:42:15,133
Speaker 17: and so is this something that that stuck with me?

2167
01:42:15,572 --> 01:42:17,532
Speaker 17: So I was only about twenty one and there were

2168
01:42:17,532 --> 01:42:19,213
Speaker 17: a few boys who were sort of, you know, being

2169
01:42:19,372 --> 01:42:23,013
Speaker 17: being reasonably nasty at a party one day, and I

2170
01:42:23,093 --> 01:42:25,053
Speaker 17: had a good friend. He was a guyn ecologist, and

2171
01:42:25,133 --> 01:42:27,572
Speaker 17: he's sort of like, tell us, shut up, would you

2172
01:42:27,652 --> 01:42:29,572
Speaker 17: and just listen to me? And and and they all

2173
01:42:29,652 --> 01:42:32,133
Speaker 17: sort of like all right, cool. He goes, what are

2174
01:42:32,173 --> 01:42:34,412
Speaker 17: you complaining? About Raj by then, you know, I was

2175
01:42:34,612 --> 01:42:38,772
Speaker 17: was pretty thin all over, and so he sort of

2176
01:42:38,853 --> 01:42:41,732
Speaker 17: turned around and he said, right, tell us you there,

2177
01:42:41,853 --> 01:42:43,452
Speaker 17: you've got a little bit of loss of hair in

2178
01:42:43,532 --> 01:42:45,452
Speaker 17: the front. And the guy goes yep, he said, you

2179
01:42:45,532 --> 01:42:47,972
Speaker 17: know what your problem is. I'm a gynecologist. Girls tell

2180
01:42:48,013 --> 01:42:50,492
Speaker 17: me all the time you go too hard and they

2181
01:42:50,612 --> 01:42:53,452
Speaker 17: use their hands on your forehead to say stop, stop, stop,

2182
01:42:53,492 --> 01:42:58,612
Speaker 17: stop stop. You the losing a crown at the back.

2183
01:42:59,093 --> 01:43:02,492
Speaker 17: You go too slow. Women use their hands to pull

2184
01:43:02,492 --> 01:43:05,652
Speaker 17: your forward to say please more. Raj keeps them getting

2185
01:43:05,812 --> 01:43:07,333
Speaker 17: front and back, cryme front.

2186
01:43:07,173 --> 01:43:13,772
Speaker 6: And oh Rush, oh goodness me, you can.

2187
01:43:13,853 --> 01:43:16,532
Speaker 2: I just have to take unpack that there a little bit,

2188
01:43:16,612 --> 01:43:19,093
Speaker 2: right right, tell her what your Your third point was

2189
01:43:19,173 --> 01:43:20,692
Speaker 2: a lot hotter than you first, so you.

2190
01:43:20,692 --> 01:43:23,173
Speaker 4: Can just see that straight to the BSA. That was fantastic,

2191
01:43:23,253 --> 01:43:24,133
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

2192
01:43:25,492 --> 01:43:30,333
Speaker 3: All right, right, yeah, how are you?

2193
01:43:31,532 --> 01:43:31,732
Speaker 19: Yeah?

2194
01:43:31,853 --> 01:43:33,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, we just need a bit of a moment

2195
01:43:33,612 --> 01:43:36,293
Speaker 4: to decompress after that. But that was beautiful from Rush.

2196
01:43:36,853 --> 01:43:40,572
Speaker 3: But a paper I'm trying to work out what yeah, yeah,

2197
01:43:40,652 --> 01:43:43,173
Speaker 3: so THEO what are you running in terms of here?

2198
01:43:45,293 --> 01:43:49,133
Speaker 8: Well, it's interesting I've done the full circle, really, you know,

2199
01:43:49,293 --> 01:43:51,572
Speaker 8: go back to the early seventies, you'd sold link here.

2200
01:43:51,612 --> 01:43:55,093
Speaker 8: Everybody you know just say it was. And you've got

2201
01:43:55,133 --> 01:43:58,333
Speaker 8: to watch those double crowns though, because eventually they joined

2202
01:43:58,412 --> 01:44:01,093
Speaker 8: up and you end up with one messive crown that

2203
01:44:01,293 --> 01:44:04,492
Speaker 8: turned into a lovely bull spot. But the great thing

2204
01:44:04,612 --> 01:44:06,572
Speaker 8: about it is you don't get to see it.

2205
01:44:09,253 --> 01:44:13,092
Speaker 2: It's funny say that because when I get a haircut always,

2206
01:44:13,133 --> 01:44:15,213
Speaker 2: it's always interesting when they throw show around the back

2207
01:44:15,372 --> 01:44:16,892
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I wonder if I've gone board.

2208
01:44:18,133 --> 01:44:21,253
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's about It's about the only time I've

2209
01:44:21,452 --> 01:44:24,253
Speaker 8: seen mine. But anyway, you know, I thought, you know,

2210
01:44:24,333 --> 01:44:26,253
Speaker 8: maybe as the years went.

2211
01:44:26,133 --> 01:44:28,013
Speaker 9: By, I thought, let's go for a number four and

2212
01:44:28,093 --> 01:44:28,572
Speaker 9: number three.

2213
01:44:28,893 --> 01:44:30,932
Speaker 8: I eventually got down to a two and a one

2214
01:44:31,333 --> 01:44:33,652
Speaker 8: and then a north and of the not didn't look

2215
01:44:33,772 --> 01:44:38,253
Speaker 8: very good at all. Tried the absolute ball cut and

2216
01:44:38,492 --> 01:44:42,532
Speaker 8: that was it was horrible, absolutely horrible on me. It

2217
01:44:42,652 --> 01:44:45,172
Speaker 8: depends on the shape of your head. Like Dylan Edwards,

2218
01:44:45,692 --> 01:44:49,972
Speaker 8: you know, he's the old Pedderith fullback there he saved

2219
01:44:50,013 --> 01:44:55,892
Speaker 8: all his head this year. It looks horrible on the front.

2220
01:44:55,973 --> 01:44:58,333
Speaker 6: Now, yeah, I mean it's kind of like the Tan's

2221
01:44:58,412 --> 01:45:00,772
Speaker 6: not quite all over the head. Is that what you're saying?

2222
01:45:00,853 --> 01:45:01,053
Speaker 11: Can?

2223
01:45:01,412 --> 01:45:02,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

2224
01:45:03,053 --> 01:45:05,452
Speaker 9: He looked like he looked he looked like he'd been

2225
01:45:05,532 --> 01:45:08,692
Speaker 9: hit with a can of the du looks waiting mammal

2226
01:45:09,532 --> 01:45:09,772
Speaker 9: on the.

2227
01:45:11,412 --> 01:45:17,812
Speaker 3: He looks all right, he's got his head's any it's

2228
01:45:17,853 --> 01:45:20,293
Speaker 3: a it's a bit of a little peak at the top.

2229
01:45:20,412 --> 01:45:21,372
Speaker 17: That's not quite right.

2230
01:45:21,452 --> 01:45:24,293
Speaker 9: You've got to be good looking. That brought me out

2231
01:45:24,732 --> 01:45:26,612
Speaker 9: so I wouldn't had a haircut the other day, and

2232
01:45:26,652 --> 01:45:29,213
Speaker 9: I thought, the hell with these other twos, threes and

2233
01:45:29,612 --> 01:45:31,692
Speaker 9: fours whatever, Just gonna be an old.

2234
01:45:31,572 --> 01:45:33,253
Speaker 16: Haircut, and that looks much better.

2235
01:45:34,173 --> 01:45:35,972
Speaker 8: I feel I filled all them again.

2236
01:45:36,893 --> 01:45:39,772
Speaker 3: So where now? You said it like you're at a ford?

2237
01:45:39,812 --> 01:45:40,213
Speaker 3: Did you say?

2238
01:45:41,572 --> 01:45:41,612
Speaker 25: What?

2239
01:45:43,532 --> 01:45:43,572
Speaker 6: No?

2240
01:45:43,612 --> 01:45:44,692
Speaker 3: Where are you at? With you here? Right now?

2241
01:45:44,772 --> 01:45:47,093
Speaker 8: So great?

2242
01:45:47,213 --> 01:45:50,733
Speaker 9: Everywhere except for the the double crown.

2243
01:45:50,532 --> 01:45:55,013
Speaker 3: Yeah right, joined up as one. You've just got a

2244
01:45:55,053 --> 01:45:59,692
Speaker 3: little bit of a patch at the back, that's all is.

2245
01:45:59,812 --> 01:46:04,213
Speaker 9: So now I've dropped the number two threes and ones.

2246
01:46:04,452 --> 01:46:08,452
Speaker 8: And I've just gone for a normal brilliant yeah, yeah.

2247
01:46:08,692 --> 01:46:12,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what does it matter so that it's

2248
01:46:12,213 --> 01:46:13,973
Speaker 2: a vitamin D pet when you're walking around just to

2249
01:46:13,973 --> 01:46:15,772
Speaker 2: get a little bit more vitamin D into the system.

2250
01:46:15,853 --> 01:46:21,213
Speaker 2: It's a little solar panels that that CEO.

2251
01:46:21,293 --> 01:46:23,772
Speaker 6: You're a good man. Thank you very much. I think

2252
01:46:23,812 --> 01:46:28,173
Speaker 6: we've got time for Andrew. Get a Andrew. You how

2253
01:46:28,253 --> 01:46:28,572
Speaker 6: you doing?

2254
01:46:29,772 --> 01:46:29,932
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2255
01:46:30,013 --> 01:46:31,333
Speaker 6: Good, you're bored and proud.

2256
01:46:32,893 --> 01:46:33,093
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2257
01:46:33,772 --> 01:46:36,933
Speaker 21: My dad assured of all three of us boys that

2258
01:46:37,053 --> 01:46:40,092
Speaker 21: would have the same haircutters in, which was a captain stubing,

2259
01:46:40,853 --> 01:46:45,452
Speaker 21: and we've all got a captain stubing. I have cut

2260
01:46:45,572 --> 01:46:47,612
Speaker 21: up with a razor in the past, but since I

2261
01:46:47,692 --> 01:46:51,213
Speaker 21: split with Mate's wife, any partner I've had since thinks

2262
01:46:51,253 --> 01:46:54,412
Speaker 21: that makes me look hard, which is hilarious because I've

2263
01:46:54,412 --> 01:46:57,013
Speaker 21: got so many smile lines. I don't know how I

2264
01:46:57,053 --> 01:47:00,652
Speaker 21: could ever look hard. So I just rock the captain stubing,

2265
01:47:00,692 --> 01:47:02,652
Speaker 21: and when it gets about a centimeter long, I feel

2266
01:47:02,772 --> 01:47:03,972
Speaker 21: like a long headed outside.

2267
01:47:04,572 --> 01:47:07,053
Speaker 23: Give it a number one and I carry on.

2268
01:47:07,253 --> 01:47:10,133
Speaker 21: But I've never had I've One of my jokes is

2269
01:47:10,133 --> 01:47:13,213
Speaker 21: I've never had a woman complain about the lack of

2270
01:47:13,293 --> 01:47:15,173
Speaker 21: hair on my head or the amount of it on

2271
01:47:15,293 --> 01:47:20,133
Speaker 21: my back, because that's not what counts. And the men

2272
01:47:20,253 --> 01:47:22,812
Speaker 21: that seem to be concerned about boards, funnily enough, seemed

2273
01:47:22,812 --> 01:47:25,532
Speaker 21: to be the ones that still have it. So I

2274
01:47:25,612 --> 01:47:28,133
Speaker 21: haven't met many insecure men who are bored.

2275
01:47:28,532 --> 01:47:30,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, so good on.

2276
01:47:30,093 --> 01:47:35,253
Speaker 4: Your Andrew very nicely said spot on Andrew. Yeah, sorry, mate,

2277
01:47:35,253 --> 01:47:37,652
Speaker 4: we're gonna go because we've got Alex Palell standing by.

2278
01:47:37,732 --> 01:47:39,492
Speaker 4: But thank you very much, and thank you everybody who

2279
01:47:39,532 --> 01:47:42,452
Speaker 4: called a text on that. I think it's pretty pretty

2280
01:47:42,532 --> 01:47:45,652
Speaker 4: straight up. Bord is beautiful if you're confident, if you

2281
01:47:45,732 --> 01:47:47,572
Speaker 4: love it, yeah, go for gold.

2282
01:47:47,772 --> 01:47:51,293
Speaker 3: Yeah so that that billboard, it's not going to work on.

2283
01:47:51,812 --> 01:47:53,253
Speaker 3: It's not going to work on most of our callers,

2284
01:47:53,333 --> 01:47:53,452
Speaker 3: is it.

2285
01:47:53,612 --> 01:47:56,133
Speaker 6: Yeah, try again, you look better bald, said no one ever. Well,

2286
01:47:56,133 --> 01:47:57,173
Speaker 6: a lot of people love.

2287
01:47:57,652 --> 01:47:59,412
Speaker 3: And so put your money with your mouth, is the tyler.

2288
01:47:59,412 --> 01:48:01,892
Speaker 2: I'll expect you to turn up on Monday and you've

2289
01:48:01,933 --> 01:48:03,973
Speaker 2: shaved your South for Captain Steading. I want you to

2290
01:48:04,013 --> 01:48:06,293
Speaker 2: turn up looking like Larry David on Monday, or I

2291
01:48:06,412 --> 01:48:07,533
Speaker 2: think you're being disingenuous.

2292
01:48:07,612 --> 01:48:07,772
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2293
01:48:07,772 --> 01:48:09,572
Speaker 6: I've booked us a to a barber straight after the show,

2294
01:48:09,612 --> 01:48:11,293
Speaker 6: so this is going to be good, right, coming up?

2295
01:48:11,853 --> 01:48:15,253
Speaker 4: It is the F one Hungarian F one on Monday,

2296
01:48:15,293 --> 01:48:16,852
Speaker 4: so we're going to catch up with Alex Powell.

2297
01:48:16,853 --> 01:48:19,612
Speaker 6: It's a big one. He is coming up after the break.

2298
01:48:19,692 --> 01:48:22,372
Speaker 5: It is a quarter to four, a fresh take on

2299
01:48:22,612 --> 01:48:26,013
Speaker 5: took Back. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have

2300
01:48:26,213 --> 01:48:29,333
Speaker 5: your say on eight hundred eighty eight Talk.

2301
01:48:29,973 --> 01:48:32,133
Speaker 4: For a good afternoon. It is thirteen to force. Iliam

2302
01:48:32,173 --> 01:48:34,452
Speaker 4: Lawson heads into the final race before the mid season

2303
01:48:34,532 --> 01:48:37,732
Speaker 4: break on Monday, the Hungarian Grand Prix and Bordapesz this

2304
01:48:37,893 --> 01:48:40,492
Speaker 4: weekend to chat more about this, we're joined by New

2305
01:48:40,572 --> 01:48:42,572
Speaker 4: Zealand GIRLD sports reporter Alex Powell.

2306
01:48:42,612 --> 01:48:43,573
Speaker 6: Geta Alex.

2307
01:48:45,053 --> 01:48:48,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alex giddy, Alexe Ei.

2308
01:48:47,893 --> 01:48:49,333
Speaker 8: There, I am you?

2309
01:48:50,093 --> 01:48:51,012
Speaker 6: I think I am yeah?

2310
01:48:51,093 --> 01:48:51,213
Speaker 8: Yea.

2311
01:48:52,173 --> 01:48:55,133
Speaker 3: So tell us about the Hungarian Not an easy place

2312
01:48:55,173 --> 01:48:56,172
Speaker 3: to pass? I understand.

2313
01:48:56,893 --> 01:48:59,013
Speaker 30: No, It's one of those classic F one tracks that

2314
01:48:59,133 --> 01:49:01,213
Speaker 30: sort of steeped in history. But that means given the

2315
01:49:01,333 --> 01:49:03,692
Speaker 30: modern cars, it is very hard to overtake. And for

2316
01:49:03,812 --> 01:49:07,213
Speaker 30: a guy like Liam Lawson, who himself admits qualifying needs

2317
01:49:07,253 --> 01:49:10,253
Speaker 30: to improve, it's going to be so important comes Sunday

2318
01:49:10,293 --> 01:49:11,133
Speaker 30: into Monday's race.

2319
01:49:11,372 --> 01:49:14,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, they call it the Monaco without Walls? What's would

2320
01:49:14,772 --> 01:49:16,412
Speaker 2: you agree that this is a very pivotal race. I

2321
01:49:16,492 --> 01:49:18,692
Speaker 2: was thinking about this today Liam Lawson, right, because he's

2322
01:49:18,732 --> 01:49:22,092
Speaker 2: been fantastic. I mean, he's been improving over the season.

2323
01:49:22,173 --> 01:49:24,452
Speaker 2: In the last five six races, he's actually been doing

2324
01:49:24,492 --> 01:49:27,612
Speaker 2: better than his teammate Hadja. So if he gets points

2325
01:49:27,812 --> 01:49:30,333
Speaker 2: in this race and Hadja doesn't, he could go into

2326
01:49:30,452 --> 01:49:33,852
Speaker 2: the summer break ahead, which would be huge for him.

2327
01:49:34,572 --> 01:49:36,253
Speaker 30: I think what's the gap. It's about five or six

2328
01:49:36,333 --> 01:49:37,572
Speaker 30: points between lass and.

2329
01:49:38,213 --> 01:49:38,852
Speaker 3: Six, I believe.

2330
01:49:39,492 --> 01:49:41,772
Speaker 30: Yeah, So I think every race at the moment just

2331
01:49:41,853 --> 01:49:44,572
Speaker 30: for where not just where racing balls are at in

2332
01:49:44,612 --> 01:49:47,412
Speaker 30: their battle to finish as the Constructor's Championship as they can,

2333
01:49:47,452 --> 01:49:49,692
Speaker 30: because let's not forget that's where teams make their money

2334
01:49:49,732 --> 01:49:53,253
Speaker 30: and see their priority in that regard. Yes, it's an

2335
01:49:53,253 --> 01:49:54,852
Speaker 30: important race. We' also you're right just to get a

2336
01:49:54,893 --> 01:49:57,293
Speaker 30: bit of momentum with you and finish the first chunk

2337
01:49:57,333 --> 01:49:58,892
Speaker 30: of the season on a really high note.

2338
01:49:59,532 --> 01:50:01,933
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking it's actually pretty important for F

2339
01:50:02,013 --> 01:50:04,093
Speaker 2: one at the moment because they've got this momentum out

2340
01:50:04,133 --> 01:50:06,133
Speaker 2: of the F one movie. It's been a smash it.

2341
01:50:06,213 --> 01:50:09,932
Speaker 2: People would be joining and then last week Silveston was great,

2342
01:50:09,973 --> 01:50:13,213
Speaker 2: but then last week they had the fiasco around you know,

2343
01:50:13,293 --> 01:50:16,213
Speaker 2: the safety car and the delay in starting in the

2344
01:50:16,293 --> 01:50:19,812
Speaker 2: wet so they to keep that audience that have come

2345
01:50:19,893 --> 01:50:22,412
Speaker 2: in that new audience. If one's kind of under a

2346
01:50:22,492 --> 01:50:25,372
Speaker 2: bit of pressure to put on a good race this weekend,

2347
01:50:26,532 --> 01:50:26,852
Speaker 2: I mean.

2348
01:50:26,933 --> 01:50:29,412
Speaker 30: I'd slightly disagree. I think everything if one's doing at

2349
01:50:29,412 --> 01:50:31,652
Speaker 30: the moment is sort of turning to gold. You look

2350
01:50:31,692 --> 01:50:34,372
Speaker 30: at basically where we've been since COVID and the interests

2351
01:50:34,412 --> 01:50:35,933
Speaker 30: is going up and up and up and up. And

2352
01:50:36,333 --> 01:50:37,852
Speaker 30: I was on your show a couple of weeks ago

2353
01:50:37,853 --> 01:50:39,812
Speaker 30: and we spoke about the role that Netflix has played

2354
01:50:39,812 --> 01:50:41,852
Speaker 30: in doing that. But you're right, you do want it

2355
01:50:41,933 --> 01:50:44,932
Speaker 30: to be an entertaining product. We saw in Belgium last

2356
01:50:44,933 --> 01:50:48,572
Speaker 30: week the rain caused a bit of a kerfuffle with

2357
01:50:48,933 --> 01:50:50,492
Speaker 30: how late the start was, and I think there is

2358
01:50:50,532 --> 01:50:52,093
Speaker 30: going to be a bit more rain expected during this

2359
01:50:52,253 --> 01:50:52,812
Speaker 30: race as well.

2360
01:50:53,973 --> 01:50:58,612
Speaker 2: So Max he is staying on with Red Bill, and

2361
01:50:58,933 --> 01:51:00,532
Speaker 2: you know, from a New Zealand perspective, what does that

2362
01:51:00,652 --> 01:51:02,812
Speaker 2: mean for LEM Max has confirmed that it'll be with

2363
01:51:02,933 --> 01:51:04,053
Speaker 2: Red Bull for twenty twenty six.

2364
01:51:04,133 --> 01:51:05,772
Speaker 3: Maxi Stapen, I.

2365
01:51:05,812 --> 01:51:07,852
Speaker 30: Think it sort of doesn't really change too much. It

2366
01:51:07,973 --> 01:51:10,972
Speaker 30: was all going to be very unlikely that Maxistapen did leave.

2367
01:51:11,093 --> 01:51:13,133
Speaker 30: You think of how long he's been at Red Bull

2368
01:51:13,173 --> 01:51:15,333
Speaker 30: and how that team is built around him. Was always

2369
01:51:15,452 --> 01:51:18,093
Speaker 30: going to be a case of, as you know, who

2370
01:51:18,253 --> 01:51:20,573
Speaker 30: was bluffing out of the bestapens or where the Mercedes

2371
01:51:20,692 --> 01:51:23,732
Speaker 30: was so lam Lawson, I think his objective will still

2372
01:51:23,772 --> 01:51:25,572
Speaker 30: be the same. He wants to get back into Red Bull.

2373
01:51:25,612 --> 01:51:27,972
Speaker 30: He's been very open about that. That's where he sees himself.

2374
01:51:28,013 --> 01:51:30,213
Speaker 30: He wants to be in a team competing for wins

2375
01:51:30,253 --> 01:51:31,133
Speaker 30: and for championships.

2376
01:51:32,093 --> 01:51:34,412
Speaker 3: Do you think Max is just sticking around for another year?

2377
01:51:34,612 --> 01:51:37,333
Speaker 2: Will he can check out which is a good car?

2378
01:51:37,452 --> 01:51:39,612
Speaker 2: With all these new regulations coming in, the cars can

2379
01:51:39,692 --> 01:51:41,013
Speaker 2: be very different. No one knows who's going to have

2380
01:51:41,053 --> 01:51:43,253
Speaker 2: the best car, So why wouldn't Max just stick around

2381
01:51:43,253 --> 01:51:45,053
Speaker 2: for another year? And then you know what's a year

2382
01:51:45,093 --> 01:51:48,772
Speaker 2: for maxistappen. He's only twenty seven, you know, stick around

2383
01:51:49,013 --> 01:51:50,933
Speaker 2: and pick the best car that comes out of the

2384
01:51:51,333 --> 01:51:53,132
Speaker 2: changes potentially.

2385
01:51:53,253 --> 01:51:56,173
Speaker 30: Maxis Staphan's always been very open with his intentions and

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Speaker 30: how he sees his formulan career. He brought up his

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Speaker 30: two hundred THREECE last year and he was asked, you

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Speaker 30: think you'll do two hundred more and you said definitely

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Speaker 30: not So I think if he does just take a

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Speaker 30: step away at the end of it all, then comes

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Speaker 30: backward to whatever team he wants, because let's not beig

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Speaker 30: around the bush. Any team would take him. I think

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Speaker 30: that is ultimately him for him to decide, if he

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Speaker 30: hasn't made his mind up already.

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Speaker 3: All right, so win's practice. Just looking at my timing,

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Speaker 3: it's tonight, at what time practice free practice? One should

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Speaker 3: probably notice.

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Speaker 30: It's sort of just for midnight, so you might be

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Speaker 30: a bit busy, Matt, being the Auckland socialite that you are,

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Speaker 30: so practice lanes practice too. We should be up and

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01:52:31,772 --> 01:52:33,572
Speaker 30: around four am. Finished tonight.

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Speaker 4: There were and you know, to stand by for those

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01:52:36,293 --> 01:52:39,333
Speaker 4: punishing tacks as always Alex from Matt Heath. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: just be prepared for that for the rest.

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Speaker 6: Of the weekend.

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Speaker 30: I didn't get any last week. I thought something could

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01:52:43,293 --> 01:52:43,772
Speaker 30: happen to him.

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Speaker 6: You're worried about him.

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Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what happened is that there was

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Speaker 2: a delayed start, so I woke up for the race,

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01:52:48,572 --> 01:52:49,933
Speaker 2: and then there was a day start, and then I

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01:52:50,013 --> 01:52:52,972
Speaker 2: just fell asleep waiting for them to start the race,

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Speaker 2: and then missed the race net to watch it in

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Speaker 2: the morning. All right, thank you so much, Alex Pale,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Herald.

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Speaker 3: Sports journalists, dead boys.

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Speaker 4: All right, Liam, Yeah, co Liam, It's going to be

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Speaker 4: a great weekend for if one fans. Right coming up,

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01:53:06,213 --> 01:53:07,772
Speaker 4: We've got a few more ticks to get to and

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01:53:08,013 --> 01:53:09,732
Speaker 4: then it's time to say see you later.

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01:53:09,893 --> 01:53:11,053
Speaker 6: It is nine to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:53:15,812 --> 01:53:16,732
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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01:53:16,973 --> 01:53:19,892
Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US talks.

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01:53:19,933 --> 01:53:20,213
Speaker 11: They'd be.

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Speaker 6: Very good afternoon, Jue. It is six to four.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks so much for listening to the show this week.

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Speaker 2: I'm off to Topaur tomorrow to run a half marathon.

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01:53:29,372 --> 01:53:32,253
Speaker 2: Ash I'm heading down tonight, so good luck, good on me, eh,

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01:53:32,412 --> 01:53:35,253
Speaker 2: good on you. I understand it'll be about three degrees

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01:53:35,293 --> 01:53:37,412
Speaker 2: at the starting gun, so you know I'll be nice

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Speaker 2: and cool.

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Speaker 6: We swan in the lake after maybe see you down there.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to be in a beautiful toupor And hey, look,

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Speaker 2: thanks for all your calls in Texas week.

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Speaker 3: We had a record amount of both. So to celebrate,

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Speaker 3: we have the caller of the week. Who is it, Tyler?

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Speaker 6: So the caller of the week.

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Speaker 4: This week we're having a great discussion about neighbors at

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01:53:53,452 --> 01:53:55,852
Speaker 4: or whether you'd ever had a run in with your

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01:53:55,853 --> 01:53:58,972
Speaker 4: neighbor over So those smaller things that we get annoyed about.

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01:53:59,013 --> 01:54:01,053
Speaker 4: And we had a guy called Philip call up and

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01:54:01,173 --> 01:54:03,133
Speaker 4: he was brilliant, got a new puppy.

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Speaker 10: And we labrador.

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Speaker 19: Yeah they're a bit barky for a start when they're little.

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01:54:06,572 --> 01:54:08,973
Speaker 19: He cut over and in front of my partner and

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01:54:09,013 --> 01:54:12,572
Speaker 19: went absolutely burco about midnight. So it got the better

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01:54:12,652 --> 01:54:16,213
Speaker 19: of me and I ended out throwing dogs roos. We

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01:54:16,293 --> 01:54:19,053
Speaker 19: had a real downfall one time and his drain got

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01:54:19,133 --> 01:54:22,532
Speaker 19: blocked up. Now he got up on the roofs. He

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01:54:22,612 --> 01:54:25,253
Speaker 19: got up to clean the spouting off and fell off

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01:54:25,333 --> 01:54:26,772
Speaker 19: the lander and broke his legs.

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Speaker 10: Real bad break.

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Speaker 9: I'm responsible to.

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01:54:29,933 --> 01:54:30,692
Speaker 10: The broken leaves.

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01:54:31,213 --> 01:54:31,572
Speaker 22: There you go.

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Speaker 3: That's all it takes to be the corner of the week.

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01:54:34,733 --> 01:54:36,533
Speaker 3: The full show podcast will be up in about our

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01:54:36,653 --> 01:54:38,653
Speaker 3: so so if you met missed our chats on a

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01:54:38,772 --> 01:54:42,333
Speaker 3: balled is Beautiful and the FBI in New Zealand, then

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Speaker 3: follow our podcast wherever you get your pods. The Paul

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01:54:45,693 --> 01:54:48,253
Speaker 3: Holmes broadcast of the Heatherdooplessy Allen is up next. But

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Speaker 3: Tyler right now? Am I good buddy? Why am I

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01:54:50,933 --> 01:54:51,852
Speaker 3: playing this tune?

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Speaker 16: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Bitter Kiss from a Rose by cl That is a

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01:54:54,973 --> 01:54:56,892
Speaker 4: beautiful board man if I've ever seen one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a beautiful bald head, does that man,

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01:54:59,413 --> 01:55:00,133
Speaker 3: he certainly does.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. Everyone, see ya on

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01:55:04,893 --> 01:55:07,413
Speaker 2: Monday afternoon. Have a fantastic weekend. Until then, give a

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01:55:07,453 --> 01:55:08,253
Speaker 2: taste to keep it from us.

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Speaker 6: I love you.

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01:55:10,093 --> 01:55:14,453
Speaker 5: A line gets the blue love the thing it's not

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01:55:14,613 --> 01:55:15,453
Speaker 5: to pay your.

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Speaker 3: Kids, Baba, Rose on the green the market of your stays.

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01:55:25,333 --> 01:55:30,053
Speaker 3: Now that your roses, A line.

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01:55:29,893 --> 01:55:32,333
Speaker 17: Gets the blue bay.

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01:55:44,493 --> 01:55:51,052
Speaker 3: Now that your rose is in bloom, A lad hits

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01:55:51,173 --> 01:55:52,093
Speaker 3: the glue.

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01:55:53,973 --> 01:55:56,693
Speaker 28: On the green.

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Speaker 1: For more from used to said b Listen live on

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