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Speaker 1: This is the huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty,

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Speaker 1: local and global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening, we've got Morris

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Speaker 2: Williams and Auckland Councilor, former US Consul General, and Tim Wilson,

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Speaker 2: Maximu Institute, former US correspondent for TV ands that.

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Speaker 3: All are you two? Good afternoon? Hi there now, Morris.

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Speaker 2: When John was just saying that he still sees a

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Speaker 2: path for Carmela, you shook your headway.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think it's possible. The percentages have closed

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Speaker 3: down so much, the eighties percents of the voter in

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Speaker 3: he's talking about Allanown and Pittsburgh. But there's a county

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Speaker 3: there called Northampton, right by Allentown. I was watching Northampton before.

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Speaker 3: It's a really interesting one. Like Arie on the other side.

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Speaker 3: It went both times with Obama, it then went with Trump,

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Speaker 3: and it then went with Biden, and Trump is one

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Speaker 3: north It's a It's a very bell Weather county within Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 3: and so is Aerie. So I just think there would

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Speaker 3: have to be some boxes of ballots hidden somewhere underneath

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Speaker 3: the table now for it to not be a final

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Speaker 3: trump Win.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been reluctant to say things like that

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Speaker 2: out loud. Tim given the circumstances, what do you think

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Speaker 2: do you see any chance that she takes it?

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Speaker 3: It's getting harder and harder, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: And I think your reference to Fox News calling the Senate,

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Speaker 4: I think that's really indicative because that determines the mood

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Speaker 4: of the nation in a way that you know, this discussion,

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Speaker 4: I was it going to be Karmela or Trump. I

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Speaker 4: don't like Trump. Blah blah blah. All of the personnality's

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Speaker 4: taken out of it. But when you look at the

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Speaker 4: House and Senate, I think that's a fascinating that's the

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Speaker 4: fascinating sort of contest. I think Karmala always had a

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Speaker 4: problem because, as a very smart person framed it the

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Speaker 4: other day, she's saying, oh, I'm the changed person, but

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Speaker 4: she's an incumbent. So there just seems to be a

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Speaker 4: structural paradox there that we're seeing evidence of.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I've been on the rough end of that pineapple. In

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, I would set up at Premier House

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Speaker 3: with Jenny Shipley. Our polling was showing we were down

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Speaker 3: the toilet so we would announce the next day some

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Speaker 3: things that would help get us back in the game.

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Speaker 3: And two nights later the polling coming and we dropped

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Speaker 3: another three points. When you're on that tide of its

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Speaker 3: time to go, it just sweeps you. No matter what track,

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Speaker 3: right track is all you need to do. And she

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Speaker 3: didn't distance herself enough from incumbency. If she'd come out

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Speaker 3: and said, look, I was only a vice president and

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Speaker 3: you're not allowed to say anything. I didn't win. Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden became the president. I was only his running mate.

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Speaker 3: But I can tell you there was heaps of things

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Speaker 3: he said and did I disagreed with. I would have

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Speaker 3: changed if I'd been the president, And if he had

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Speaker 3: left earlier, I would have made that Joe. She could

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Speaker 3: have tried to distance herself, but she actually said she

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Speaker 3: supported everything that he stood for. Yeah, and that means

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Speaker 3: she was part of the incumbent track. And I think

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Speaker 3: I sent you a text well earlier today. There's just

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Speaker 3: not possible for him for her to win. When people

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Speaker 3: are desperate for change, they're hurting in their pocket book,

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Speaker 3: they're hurting in their bank account, they're hurting in their

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Speaker 3: mortgage rate. The economy every one of the polls I

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Speaker 3: saw on see An end of the day. Number one

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Speaker 3: was always the economy. It always is. I like you.

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Speaker 2: I like it both of you guys. Before you carry on, Tim,

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Speaker 2: I just want to give both of you props. Okay,

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Speaker 2: both of you made sure that you got your predictions

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Speaker 2: on record into me early. So two o'clock this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: Morris texts me and says, I believe Trump will win

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Speaker 2: the selection and reasonably comfortably. And Tim, when did you

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Speaker 2: text me? Was it last night?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Last night, Yeah, last night, seven twenty two? You said,

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Speaker 2: I'm picking The result will surprise many commentators. At two

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Speaker 2: to three percent shift, will make a significant dent. And

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Speaker 2: I said to you, is Trump you pick? You are like, yep, clean,

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Speaker 2: clear result either way. So there you go, both of

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Speaker 2: your geniuses. You're both better than most of the pollsters

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Speaker 2: in the States. Trump Trump, Tim, Sorry, hey.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I I just spent the afternoon with him once,

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Speaker 4: so please don't mistake me for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: And was his hipness in person as he seems on Telly?

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Speaker 5: No, No, he was a new he was a new

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Speaker 4: He was a charming he was a charming, charming fellow

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Speaker 4: interesting fact about Donald Trump though, when you met he's

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Speaker 5: You're waiting for him, You're waiting year.

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Speaker 4: And when you meet him, he comes in and he

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Speaker 4: does the power handshake. You know, the power handshake?

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Speaker 3: Is that what you and you're on the butt.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And it goes on and on and fy squeeze, yeah,

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Speaker 6: firm squeeze. But he's a he's a germophobe, so he

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Speaker 6: hates touching strangers, but he likes the power.

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Speaker 2: I don't why this is creeping me out so much.

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Speaker 5: All right, break creeping me out doing it ethics, relive.

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Speaker 3: It, all right?

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Speaker 2: And did he have small hands? Because did he have

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Speaker 2: small hands as well?

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Speaker 6: No, no, not that I recall.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the myth. They all say. His hands are

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Speaker 3: very well well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's always possible that Tim also has small hands,

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Speaker 2: could be and so relative to each other.

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Speaker 3: You can give us a report when we come back up.

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Speaker 3: Break size of your hands, but make.

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Speaker 2: You break recorded to.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Elevate the

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Speaker 1: marketing of your home.

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Speaker 2: Ap by the way, has just called Virginia for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: Nevada has just been called for Donald Trump by Fox News.

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Speaker 2: And also remember apparently Kamala Harris was supposed to be

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Speaker 2: speaking within half an hour. We're outside that half an

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Speaker 2: So we'll keep you posted if that actually does happen.

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Speaker 2: You back with Hutle Morris Williamson and Tim Wilson. Morris,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of the White Tangy Tribune or

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Speaker 2: just back home here quickly leaking the fact that the

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Speaker 2: Treaty Principal's Bill is going to Parliament tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's disgraceful. I think the White Tangy

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Speaker 3: Tribunal really has to answer for what it's done. It's

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Speaker 3: clear they have leaked it out after they were given

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Speaker 3: the date. I actually don't think there is a plot

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Speaker 3: for or bringing it forward for any reason. I was

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Speaker 3: get legislative time, and sometimes the LEDs Committee which say

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Speaker 3: you're on tomorrow and you say I haven't even got

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Speaker 3: my speech right. Oh but Morris, come.

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Speaker 2: On, queen, all the whole world I agree with you

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Speaker 2: on that, but the whole world like this is when

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Speaker 2: you bury bad news TVMZ. It has just announced fifty

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Speaker 2: people are going to lose their jobs on election day

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Speaker 2: for a reason, and whatever happens tomorrow is being done

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Speaker 2: for a reason because it's buried by the US election.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I look, I go with them Alding line.

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Speaker 3: He used to say, if you have to choose between

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Speaker 3: the conspiracy theory and the cockup, always go with a cockup.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I think. But I'm a big fan

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Speaker 3: as minister, that could be in breach of some of

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Speaker 3: the principles of the treaty, And I'd say, oh, can

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Speaker 3: I get a copy of the principle so I can

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Speaker 3: work through them and see where I'm Well, they're not

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Speaker 3: that clearly, they're not written down. I said, so, then

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Speaker 3: how do I know what they are? Well, they've been

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Speaker 3: Tang trim and it's really not clear. And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: hang on, how would you ever play a game of

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Speaker 3: rugby if you didn't have a rule book? You get

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Speaker 3: the rule book. No, you can't pass the ball forward,

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Speaker 3: I know how to play rugby. But if they said,

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Speaker 3: I'm not telling you what the rules are, now go

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Speaker 3: Mari that we know exactly what is the Treaty of

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Speaker 3: White Town. This idea we're trying to rerir the treaty.

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Speaker 3: No one's doing that. The treaty. The treaty is not

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Speaker 3: being touched. Yeah, but what are the principles and where

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Speaker 3: But they're clearly not They're clearly said, well.

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Speaker 2: They're bit cowardly on the subject. I think, what do

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Speaker 5: Tim, Yeah, Look, I think we need to be able

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Speaker 5: to cut because even a Chris Hipkins, I think it

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Speaker 4: So this is what I think David Seymour is trying

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Speaker 4: going to be painful. It's like a kind of national adolescence.

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Speaker 4: They'll be pimples, they'll be passed, but I think we'll

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Speaker 3: And the one thing I get confused about is I'm

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Speaker 3: being told how dreadful it is, and just like saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: you can't give me a rule booker for rugby, you

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Speaker 3: can't give me a rule book for now, you're saying, well,

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Speaker 3: we would then have a guide that everyone had signed

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Speaker 3: we would know what we could bring, and then ministers

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say, well, I'd like to do this, but does

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Speaker 3: it breach the principles because I don't know what they

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Speaker 3: are and no one will show them.

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Speaker 7: To me, I just don't to make sure that we're yeah,

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Speaker 7: what's wrong. I want to make sure that we need

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Speaker 7: to be able to bring Mary with us, agree with

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Speaker 7: along on this, on this hiding of this journey, so

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Speaker 7: that I think that's the important part of it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's part of I'm not a past that

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Speaker 3: I think that's vital that everyone's brought along with us.

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Speaker 3: But I would have thought that a really good debate

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Speaker 3: sensible and said, well, actually that's just too radical. That's

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Speaker 3: not what you can Fox is called.

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Speaker 2: The Senate for the Republicans, Morris I make. I think

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Speaker 2: you make a very good point, and I think so

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Speaker 2: to you, Tim about actually I'm taking taking everybody with

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Speaker 2: But let's not. Let's not assume that Mary are necessarily

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Speaker 2: all represented by the Marty Party all all.

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Speaker 3: Oh, correct, make it absolutely song and dance about it.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because don't you don't want to You don't want

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Speaker 4: to make assumptions about us like who am Mari? Who

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Speaker 4: are parking her?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we don't all think like a lady politician

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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily represent me just because she's a lady.

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Speaker 3: My current cabinet's got more marriing than any cabinet's ever had.

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Speaker 2: Quite very good point. Guys, listen, thank you. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to leave it there. I really appreciate your insights.

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