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Speaker 1: Let's talk about rule issues. Jamie mackay as the host

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Speaker 1: of the Country. How is it being back at work?

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Speaker 2: Jamie, Oh, I'm looking. I needed a holiday from the holiday.

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Speaker 2: Andrew it's been good, good, good good.

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Speaker 1: But it's any Thursday. This week's gone on forever. But

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Speaker 1: there we go. So we've got two farms that have

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Speaker 1: been suspended for the New Zealand Marinos Q Quality Standards

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Speaker 1: of Play program, which is a long name. Some undercover

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Speaker 1: videos appeared to show animal welfare breaches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is from Peter, the animal activist group. So look.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Marinos launching an independent investigation, as is MPI,

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Speaker 2: as is the New Zealand Sharing Contractors Association. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Marino chair Kate Mitchell said. The footage, and we've seen

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Speaker 2: it on the news, shows people standing on sheep's necks,

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Speaker 2: grabbing sheep or dragging sheep across the floor or the

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Speaker 2: board of the sharing shared sewing up a bloody wound

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Speaker 2: without painkillers. We used to do that all the time time,

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Speaker 2: but times have changed. And basically she's saying these aren't

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Speaker 2: up to the values and practices of the six hundred

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Speaker 2: farms that are part of this z Q program. Look,

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Speaker 2: the best commentary I thought came from a woman by

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Speaker 2: the name of Jills Angus Bernie. Hello Jills, if you're listening.

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Speaker 2: She's a lawyer, was once held the world women's world

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Speaker 2: sharing record five hundred and forty one lambs and nine hours,

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Speaker 2: so she knows what she's doing. That's a lot, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: you just tried dragging that many out and shucking them

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Speaker 2: down the porthole. So she said, Look, she's not surprised

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Speaker 2: Peter has targeted New Zealand sheep sharers because it did

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Speaker 2: the same thing in Australia. But what she's saying, and

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Speaker 2: it's true, is that behavior or standards have improved drastically

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Speaker 2: over the recent decades. And once again I can speak

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Speaker 2: to this with a bit of experience. Andrew, forty years

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Speaker 2: ago I was sharer, and they're certainly the standards are

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Speaker 2: much better than they were back in those stays. And

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Speaker 2: she points out that when it comes to marinos as

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Speaker 2: opposed to our crossbread sheet, you know, the Romney's, the

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Speaker 2: Coopworths or whatever. Look, they're wrinkly creatures. They've got fine wool,

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Speaker 2: Nick stew happen they have three times as many capillaries

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Speaker 2: as the British breeds the likes of the Romneys, so

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Speaker 2: you do occasionally get more cuts, even with the best

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Speaker 2: of will. So look, I think you know, the industry

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Speaker 2: itself polices this. If I've seen the footage. If a

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Speaker 2: farmer was in the shed when that happened, the sharer

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Speaker 2: or sharers concerned would be sacked. They'd be they'd be

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Speaker 2: out the door straight away, and a good contractor would

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Speaker 2: sack sharer's behaving like that. So I think they've cherry

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Speaker 2: picked some of the worst behavior. You know, there's baby

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Speaker 2: eggs and every basket.

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Speaker 1: But going forward, we hope for an outbreak of common sense,

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Speaker 1: which is rare these days, but there we have it.

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Speaker 1: Some shareholders of the Alliance Group are worried about what

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Speaker 1: might happen if the cooperative fails to raise you capital.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the Alliance Group's been in the news obviously

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Speaker 2: in recent times. I've suffered a couple of big losses.

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Speaker 2: They need to raise two hundred million. They announced it

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Speaker 2: last month's annual meeting down in South and that they

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Speaker 2: paused their capital raising program through livestock production and the

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Speaker 2: issuing of new shares. Look that I'm not saying they're

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Speaker 2: running out of rope. The sheep meat industry is on

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Speaker 2: the improved this year. But if they can't get someone

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Speaker 2: to front up with two hundred million dollars, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure the banks will, they may have to look

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Speaker 2: at a hybrid farmer cooperative cooperative ownership model, a bit

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Speaker 2: like silver Fern Farms, or just put the whole shooting

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Speaker 2: works on the blocker and sell it. Whether there would

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Speaker 2: be a buyer, I don't think so. The other players

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Speaker 2: in the market would like to pick up their shares

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Speaker 2: or their plants, perhaps through attrition. Andrew Morrison's leading the group.

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Speaker 2: He's the former chair of Beef and Land New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: He raised a good point the most successful co op

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Speaker 2: in this country is Tattoo, a derry in Morrinsville. Forty

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Speaker 2: four percent of a farmer's total enterprise is and shares

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Speaker 2: Frontera It's ten percent. Alliance at the moment is only

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Speaker 2: sitting at zero point six percent. So he's arguing if

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Speaker 2: you want a strong cooperative, you've got to put your

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Speaker 2: money where your mouth is and invest in it.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Daie McKay from the country dot co dot.

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