1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks at B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:19,733 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:19,973 --> 00:00:29,453 Speaker 2: Take another's it is out, The test is over. Goodness, smoke, beauty, 5 00:00:29,533 --> 00:00:31,893 Speaker 2: it is out. 6 00:00:30,893 --> 00:00:31,573 Speaker 3: And here you goes. 7 00:00:31,693 --> 00:00:32,693 Speaker 2: This delivery has. 8 00:00:32,653 --> 00:00:34,053 Speaker 3: An used to bow. 9 00:00:36,373 --> 00:00:39,733 Speaker 1: On the front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney, 10 00:00:40,053 --> 00:00:43,933 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks dead B at iHeart Radio. 11 00:00:45,973 --> 00:00:48,933 Speaker 2: Hello, We're on the front foot once again and the 12 00:00:49,013 --> 00:00:51,853 Speaker 2: coming up this week in inspirational evings from the newly 13 00:00:51,973 --> 00:00:55,733 Speaker 2: Kerr Levels the series with South Africa. This is a 14 00:00:55,813 --> 00:00:59,053 Speaker 2: tea tweeting league feasible in New Zealand. Should the White 15 00:00:59,093 --> 00:01:03,693 Speaker 2: Ferns buy a test with Australia? Why would they decline? 16 00:01:04,413 --> 00:01:07,613 Speaker 2: A question? Will try to answer on the front foot 17 00:01:07,933 --> 00:01:10,853 Speaker 2: with Remy Coney and Peter Holland's back on us again 18 00:01:10,973 --> 00:01:14,613 Speaker 2: and well on the positive notes, We've got a hall 19 00:01:14,693 --> 00:01:17,573 Speaker 2: of Famer with us, Jeremy Caney. 20 00:01:18,013 --> 00:01:23,773 Speaker 4: And I'm genuflecting now and bowing to the greatness of 21 00:01:25,213 --> 00:01:29,533 Speaker 4: our learned colleague. Much deserved on my dad. 22 00:01:30,533 --> 00:01:32,973 Speaker 2: I quite agree and as part of the hall of fame, 23 00:01:33,013 --> 00:01:35,253 Speaker 2: of course, he will be shouting us all to dinner somewhere, 24 00:01:35,253 --> 00:01:35,613 Speaker 2: won't he. 25 00:01:38,373 --> 00:01:40,173 Speaker 3: Mate, I'll be looking forward to you too. 26 00:01:40,293 --> 00:01:44,373 Speaker 5: I couldn't think of a better two reprobates that I 27 00:01:44,453 --> 00:01:47,253 Speaker 5: could actually come and have a few with That would 28 00:01:47,253 --> 00:01:52,133 Speaker 5: be great. I must was pretty surprised. Came out of 29 00:01:52,213 --> 00:01:55,573 Speaker 5: the blue, and I thought it was actually probably an error. 30 00:01:57,293 --> 00:01:59,813 Speaker 5: A clerical eraror someone had written my name. 31 00:02:02,253 --> 00:02:02,973 Speaker 4: The requirements. 32 00:02:03,533 --> 00:02:06,413 Speaker 5: Anyway, let's not waste any more time on this and 33 00:02:06,573 --> 00:02:09,373 Speaker 5: let's move on. There's plenty of things to talk about once. 34 00:02:09,773 --> 00:02:12,613 Speaker 2: Yes, no, I've got to say it's well deserved, Jerry, 35 00:02:12,693 --> 00:02:17,453 Speaker 2: after your years of contribution to New Zealand cricket. One 36 00:02:17,493 --> 00:02:21,613 Speaker 2: of the things that has taken private place, I suppose 37 00:02:21,693 --> 00:02:23,613 Speaker 2: in terms of the playing of the game is the 38 00:02:23,653 --> 00:02:25,533 Speaker 2: women's series against South Africa. And there's been a lot 39 00:02:25,573 --> 00:02:28,453 Speaker 2: of talk about Millie Kerr one hundred and seventy nine, 40 00:02:29,093 --> 00:02:32,413 Speaker 2: and it gets to a stage when somebody scores big 41 00:02:32,893 --> 00:02:37,693 Speaker 2: the social pages start elevating them now to the greatest 42 00:02:37,773 --> 00:02:41,133 Speaker 2: cricketer New Zealand. New Zealand has produced, not just the 43 00:02:41,213 --> 00:02:44,613 Speaker 2: greatest women's cricketer that New Zealand has produced, but the 44 00:02:44,733 --> 00:02:48,933 Speaker 2: greatest cricketer. I'm not sure that she would lay claim 45 00:02:49,013 --> 00:02:51,493 Speaker 2: to that, But it was still an outstanding innings, wasn't it? 46 00:02:51,773 --> 00:02:55,093 Speaker 2: One hundred and seventy nine? She carried the side through 47 00:02:55,773 --> 00:02:58,093 Speaker 2: after what was a pretty ordinary performance, wasn't it in 48 00:02:58,173 --> 00:03:00,693 Speaker 2: the in the field against that South African? So it'd 49 00:03:00,733 --> 00:03:04,853 Speaker 2: only dropped seven catches on bad really? Was it? I? 50 00:03:04,933 --> 00:03:07,573 Speaker 5: Look, it was simply just the major component in the game, 51 00:03:07,773 --> 00:03:10,213 Speaker 5: wasn't it. I have had time to have a look 52 00:03:10,253 --> 00:03:12,813 Speaker 5: at that, fellas. You know, you get matches like that, 53 00:03:12,973 --> 00:03:15,333 Speaker 5: don't you on a good surface. I'd have to say, 54 00:03:16,133 --> 00:03:21,093 Speaker 5: at the basin small boundaries, and one player who has 55 00:03:21,173 --> 00:03:25,373 Speaker 5: some quality has a really good day and opens out 56 00:03:25,453 --> 00:03:28,573 Speaker 5: their game and delivers something special and it kind of 57 00:03:28,693 --> 00:03:32,413 Speaker 5: stays with you. You know, she should have been angry. Actually, 58 00:03:32,533 --> 00:03:36,733 Speaker 5: from what you've spoken about. I watched the fielding effort. 59 00:03:37,933 --> 00:03:41,293 Speaker 5: They're not a team of athletes that they simply don't 60 00:03:41,333 --> 00:03:44,733 Speaker 5: move fast enough or throw accurately with some pace. 61 00:03:45,613 --> 00:03:47,333 Speaker 3: We know that most teams. 62 00:03:47,093 --> 00:03:51,533 Speaker 5: Put catchers down, but boy did they say to South Africa, 63 00:03:51,973 --> 00:03:55,173 Speaker 5: help yourself here, Fellas. There's a big total coming up 64 00:03:55,533 --> 00:03:59,573 Speaker 5: and it's not as if their bowling attack can deal 65 00:03:59,693 --> 00:03:59,933 Speaker 5: with that. 66 00:04:00,173 --> 00:04:00,293 Speaker 2: Is it? 67 00:04:00,413 --> 00:04:03,813 Speaker 5: This New Zealand side they need help from the field, 68 00:04:04,333 --> 00:04:07,293 Speaker 5: and she came in in the fifth over chasing this total, 69 00:04:08,333 --> 00:04:10,533 Speaker 5: and she batted throughout the rest of the inning, so 70 00:04:10,853 --> 00:04:15,253 Speaker 5: she managed the entire chase, scored over half the South 71 00:04:15,293 --> 00:04:18,773 Speaker 5: African total one hundred and seventy nine off one thirty 72 00:04:18,933 --> 00:04:22,533 Speaker 5: nine ninety two of them and boundary in boundary, so 73 00:04:22,773 --> 00:04:26,493 Speaker 5: ninety eight in boundaries. What I like about her players, 74 00:04:26,573 --> 00:04:29,733 Speaker 5: she tends to the classical. She plays along the ground, 75 00:04:30,933 --> 00:04:33,653 Speaker 5: she drives on the off side, she punches, she cuts, 76 00:04:33,733 --> 00:04:36,693 Speaker 5: that's how she started, both sides of the ground though. 77 00:04:37,333 --> 00:04:41,493 Speaker 5: And fancy flicks, yeah, she can do them, but predominantly 78 00:04:41,613 --> 00:04:42,933 Speaker 5: she uses the full face. 79 00:04:43,813 --> 00:04:44,893 Speaker 4: So I like all that. 80 00:04:46,053 --> 00:04:50,133 Speaker 5: She sees length and line quickly because then with the 81 00:04:50,253 --> 00:04:52,493 Speaker 5: cuts and the third man that forces the bowl at 82 00:04:52,493 --> 00:04:55,533 Speaker 5: the bowl straight. So then she goes down the ground 83 00:04:55,613 --> 00:04:58,093 Speaker 5: and leg side. I saw a bit of T twenty 84 00:04:58,133 --> 00:05:00,853 Speaker 5: stuff from her, you know, where a front leg opens 85 00:05:00,893 --> 00:05:04,613 Speaker 5: out a webit and she hits naturally to the stronger 86 00:05:04,733 --> 00:05:08,693 Speaker 5: leg side, but which is not as aesthetic me but 87 00:05:08,973 --> 00:05:12,773 Speaker 5: very effective. So the last thing I saw from her 88 00:05:12,933 --> 00:05:16,653 Speaker 5: was control. She looked calm right through her innings. She 89 00:05:16,773 --> 00:05:19,813 Speaker 5: looked calm. She had bottled up and locked it, and 90 00:05:19,933 --> 00:05:23,413 Speaker 5: she was locked into the contest. No big celebration when 91 00:05:23,453 --> 00:05:26,533 Speaker 5: she got to things. Sure, seven of her mates go 92 00:05:27,853 --> 00:05:30,773 Speaker 5: when she came in, you know, some pretty average stuff, 93 00:05:30,813 --> 00:05:32,893 Speaker 5: but she stayed poker faced and she got. 94 00:05:32,773 --> 00:05:33,613 Speaker 3: The job done. 95 00:05:34,093 --> 00:05:36,413 Speaker 5: And she'll play more good innings, guys, won't she because 96 00:05:36,453 --> 00:05:39,293 Speaker 5: she is a good player, but not many better. 97 00:05:40,133 --> 00:05:41,453 Speaker 3: She had one little drop. 98 00:05:42,013 --> 00:05:45,413 Speaker 5: To the keeper doesn't see that she played, but a 99 00:05:45,613 --> 00:05:48,173 Speaker 5: wide range of shots against the runners up in the 100 00:05:48,253 --> 00:05:50,213 Speaker 5: World Cup, passy innings. 101 00:05:50,613 --> 00:05:53,013 Speaker 4: The interesting thing about this is that had it not 102 00:05:53,173 --> 00:05:55,853 Speaker 4: been for frankly a pretty palling effort in the field, 103 00:05:56,133 --> 00:05:59,293 Speaker 4: we would never have been privileged to watch such a 104 00:05:59,373 --> 00:06:03,893 Speaker 4: fantastic innings on. By the way, a really good cricket 105 00:06:03,973 --> 00:06:07,453 Speaker 4: ground with a decent wicket in daylight, and I think 106 00:06:07,493 --> 00:06:10,373 Speaker 4: all of those in factors to make four. What became, 107 00:06:10,613 --> 00:06:12,413 Speaker 4: I think is a fabulous settings. I'm not going to 108 00:06:12,493 --> 00:06:16,173 Speaker 4: use the word great, but a fabulous settings of a 109 00:06:16,333 --> 00:06:19,813 Speaker 4: really really, really very good cricketer. And I think she's 110 00:06:19,853 --> 00:06:22,613 Speaker 4: only twenty five. I think it is, my lord, and 111 00:06:22,733 --> 00:06:25,453 Speaker 4: she sounds she's been playing cricket almost for ten years. 112 00:06:26,133 --> 00:06:26,733 Speaker 5: But this is a. 113 00:06:29,133 --> 00:06:33,893 Speaker 4: Truly special player and as world class of the rest 114 00:06:34,253 --> 00:06:37,773 Speaker 4: that could not be said, I think, and we are 115 00:06:37,933 --> 00:06:41,773 Speaker 4: very reliant and have been in the women's game on 116 00:06:42,253 --> 00:06:47,013 Speaker 4: the performance of Sushi Divine prior to that, Bates of Bats, 117 00:06:47,053 --> 00:06:50,293 Speaker 4: who's sort of the last few years hasn't really been delivering. 118 00:06:50,693 --> 00:06:53,773 Speaker 4: But it's been very reliant on the performances of one 119 00:06:53,973 --> 00:06:57,893 Speaker 4: or two and then the rest of them haven't really 120 00:06:58,133 --> 00:07:02,213 Speaker 4: delivered it. And unless we get that outstanding performance, New 121 00:07:02,293 --> 00:07:05,093 Speaker 4: Zealand doesn't perform. I mean, frankly, we got lucky in 122 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:07,253 Speaker 4: the TWEE twenty and we ed it off and gets 123 00:07:07,293 --> 00:07:10,413 Speaker 4: relayed that we are well ampions. That would pure lark really, 124 00:07:11,053 --> 00:07:13,733 Speaker 4: because I think South Africa beat Australia at the time 125 00:07:13,853 --> 00:07:17,493 Speaker 4: and we've got a leg leg up. But Eminika is 126 00:07:17,533 --> 00:07:20,653 Speaker 4: a fabulous player and we just should we should, we 127 00:07:20,653 --> 00:07:23,173 Speaker 4: should enjoy it. And I love watching her play cricket. 128 00:07:23,293 --> 00:07:26,333 Speaker 4: That's the other thing. She doesn't get funky. She plays 129 00:07:26,413 --> 00:07:30,573 Speaker 4: proper cricket shots and by the way, it's dann fine bowler, it's. 130 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:36,693 Speaker 2: Yeah. And she's got a fairly good technical brain, it seems, 131 00:07:36,933 --> 00:07:38,933 Speaker 2: and she's going to be under pressure at time, but 132 00:07:39,293 --> 00:07:41,373 Speaker 2: I don't know that people giving her the tag of 133 00:07:41,413 --> 00:07:44,013 Speaker 2: greatness is something that she needs to carry around with 134 00:07:44,133 --> 00:07:45,853 Speaker 2: her at the moment. Just let her play the game 135 00:07:45,893 --> 00:07:48,613 Speaker 2: and play the way that she's done. She's a fabulous 136 00:07:48,653 --> 00:07:50,093 Speaker 2: cricket to watch, as you say, and it was a 137 00:07:50,133 --> 00:07:52,933 Speaker 2: lovely evenings, so to enjoy. 138 00:07:53,413 --> 00:07:55,933 Speaker 4: I do observe. I do observe the you know, I 139 00:07:56,053 --> 00:07:59,693 Speaker 4: listened to the meat the radio a fair bit while 140 00:07:59,693 --> 00:08:03,173 Speaker 4: I'm thinking away at work and stuff, and there is 141 00:08:03,173 --> 00:08:06,413 Speaker 4: a preponderance of of of of a fusive sort of 142 00:08:06,853 --> 00:08:12,533 Speaker 4: support and commentary about about this which maybe could be 143 00:08:12,653 --> 00:08:15,293 Speaker 4: tempted somewhat. I'm just probably leave it at that. 144 00:08:16,053 --> 00:08:20,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, I listened to the TV. 145 00:08:21,453 --> 00:08:25,533 Speaker 5: Because I watched the highlights and they kind of in 146 00:08:25,653 --> 00:08:28,693 Speaker 5: the field they say, oh was that Ah, was that 147 00:08:28,813 --> 00:08:29,213 Speaker 5: a catch? 148 00:08:30,973 --> 00:08:33,893 Speaker 3: Oh? Yes it was, and then that's that's about it, 149 00:08:34,173 --> 00:08:35,373 Speaker 3: you know, that's all they say. 150 00:08:35,613 --> 00:08:38,933 Speaker 5: It's extraordinary how the commentary has gone now to try 151 00:08:39,013 --> 00:08:41,893 Speaker 5: and rule the catch quite a big moment in the 152 00:08:42,013 --> 00:08:44,493 Speaker 5: game out and reduce it. 153 00:08:45,773 --> 00:08:48,813 Speaker 2: I've got a mute button which works well, so I 154 00:08:48,893 --> 00:08:51,093 Speaker 2: don't have to put up with any of that sort 155 00:08:51,093 --> 00:08:54,253 Speaker 2: of stuff. But should our White Ferns be playing a 156 00:08:54,333 --> 00:08:57,973 Speaker 2: test match against Australia Australia have offered them a chance 157 00:08:58,013 --> 00:08:59,853 Speaker 2: to play a Test match. It's been turned down. I 158 00:08:59,933 --> 00:09:02,653 Speaker 2: don't know why they don't think that they would be 159 00:09:02,773 --> 00:09:06,533 Speaker 2: ready or prepared. I think forget that if the Osites 160 00:09:06,573 --> 00:09:08,853 Speaker 2: want to play a Test match against US, play them, 161 00:09:08,893 --> 00:09:09,653 Speaker 2: don't we Well? 162 00:09:09,693 --> 00:09:15,413 Speaker 4: My opinion is I think it's the well biased best 163 00:09:15,453 --> 00:09:20,013 Speaker 4: form of the game. However, our women do not play 164 00:09:20,733 --> 00:09:26,813 Speaker 4: any cricket of apart from Franklin one day cricket ody 165 00:09:27,813 --> 00:09:32,453 Speaker 4: That's that's it, And so they would come in well underdone. 166 00:09:33,093 --> 00:09:37,053 Speaker 4: And and Australia are very powerful at this form of 167 00:09:37,133 --> 00:09:40,893 Speaker 4: the game because they apart from who else do they play. 168 00:09:40,933 --> 00:09:44,853 Speaker 4: They play England, they were playing in the recently. Yeah, 169 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:47,453 Speaker 4: and I think they played South Africa in these But 170 00:09:47,573 --> 00:09:50,773 Speaker 4: I would have thought it would have been a wonderful opportunity, 171 00:09:50,893 --> 00:09:54,253 Speaker 4: probably play on a fabless cricket ground in Australia. For 172 00:09:54,613 --> 00:09:57,053 Speaker 4: our women to play this it's it's it's a you 173 00:09:57,133 --> 00:09:59,893 Speaker 4: know they're not going to get many of them, but 174 00:10:00,013 --> 00:10:03,373 Speaker 4: I suspect it's a it's a it's a it's a 175 00:10:03,493 --> 00:10:07,893 Speaker 4: decision made out of not wanting to be not out 176 00:10:07,933 --> 00:10:11,133 Speaker 4: of fear. It would be my observation that's not a 177 00:10:11,173 --> 00:10:11,973 Speaker 4: big concind. 178 00:10:11,773 --> 00:10:15,573 Speaker 5: Yeah, not wanting to be embarrassed, I think is quite 179 00:10:15,613 --> 00:10:18,493 Speaker 5: a strong feeling. And then there might even be even 180 00:10:18,653 --> 00:10:21,493 Speaker 5: some of the people gosh, these girls can be damaged. 181 00:10:21,893 --> 00:10:24,773 Speaker 5: These girls could be damaged here. We might have a 182 00:10:24,853 --> 00:10:27,973 Speaker 5: bit of work to do after. I do think that 183 00:10:28,133 --> 00:10:33,293 Speaker 5: a it, But the fact of it is, you know, 184 00:10:33,653 --> 00:10:36,653 Speaker 5: it would be very good for these players to start 185 00:10:36,773 --> 00:10:39,653 Speaker 5: thinking about, here is the thing that is going to happen, 186 00:10:39,733 --> 00:10:43,493 Speaker 5: and when was it? Wadds January, February whatever, and then 187 00:10:44,653 --> 00:10:47,573 Speaker 5: and work towards it. And so they have little marks 188 00:10:47,613 --> 00:10:49,893 Speaker 5: along the way to say, well, we'll need to do this, 189 00:10:50,053 --> 00:10:51,693 Speaker 5: We'll need to do that, We'll need to have a 190 00:10:51,773 --> 00:10:54,413 Speaker 5: game there, We'll need to do three days there and 191 00:10:54,893 --> 00:10:58,533 Speaker 5: build themselves up to do that so that they're not 192 00:10:58,773 --> 00:11:01,853 Speaker 5: quite so embarrassed and they do come back for a 193 00:11:02,013 --> 00:11:05,493 Speaker 5: second spell of six overs, and that they can last 194 00:11:05,613 --> 00:11:09,173 Speaker 5: out there for a while and they can bat two hours, 195 00:11:09,813 --> 00:11:12,933 Speaker 5: you know. And what would happen then is our one 196 00:11:13,053 --> 00:11:17,013 Speaker 5: day game would become stronger. They'd be better at judging 197 00:11:17,053 --> 00:11:20,733 Speaker 5: a single. That'd be you know, it feeds off each other, 198 00:11:20,893 --> 00:11:23,653 Speaker 5: these these formats. So I think. 199 00:11:25,093 --> 00:11:26,733 Speaker 3: Give it a crack myself. 200 00:11:26,933 --> 00:11:29,693 Speaker 5: Yes, the chances are you're going to be beaten maybe 201 00:11:29,773 --> 00:11:32,933 Speaker 5: in two days, who knows, But give it a crack 202 00:11:33,013 --> 00:11:34,453 Speaker 5: and start to do it. 203 00:11:35,533 --> 00:11:37,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of it, I. 204 00:11:37,213 --> 00:11:41,173 Speaker 4: Couldn't agree more. I just think it's a It's just 205 00:11:41,253 --> 00:11:45,973 Speaker 4: a great opportunity to experience the essence of the game. 206 00:11:46,533 --> 00:11:49,733 Speaker 4: And why wouldn't you just grab it well, open arms 207 00:11:49,933 --> 00:11:53,133 Speaker 4: and have have a go. I was looking at some 208 00:11:53,253 --> 00:11:55,853 Speaker 4: of the other players and there's someone like Maddy Green 209 00:11:55,853 --> 00:11:58,853 Speaker 4: who's played one hundred and twenty one T twenties and 210 00:11:59,013 --> 00:12:02,893 Speaker 4: ninety three ODIs that's all. He's basically all he's played. 211 00:12:03,773 --> 00:12:06,533 Speaker 4: Would you say, God, how good to go out there 212 00:12:06,613 --> 00:12:09,613 Speaker 4: and bet on a decent day week and somewhere in Australia. 213 00:12:10,173 --> 00:12:14,253 Speaker 4: That would just be a fantastic opportunity for a player 214 00:12:14,853 --> 00:12:17,733 Speaker 4: and to be fulfillment of a career. So I agree 215 00:12:17,733 --> 00:12:20,533 Speaker 4: with you. You and it's not impossible you could do that. 216 00:12:20,893 --> 00:12:22,853 Speaker 4: Get your bowl has been loaning out of bowl twenty 217 00:12:22,933 --> 00:12:23,613 Speaker 4: hours in a day. 218 00:12:23,893 --> 00:12:28,333 Speaker 3: It's just simply fitness and absolutely absolutely and you need. 219 00:12:28,413 --> 00:12:31,493 Speaker 2: Only look at the partnership between Halliday and Green that 220 00:12:31,733 --> 00:12:34,613 Speaker 2: led a recovery from three for three in the series, 221 00:12:34,693 --> 00:12:37,973 Speaker 2: deciding ode I with South Africa to see that New 222 00:12:38,053 --> 00:12:42,173 Speaker 2: Zealand are capable of batting time. Back in March nineteen 223 00:12:42,213 --> 00:12:44,693 Speaker 2: forty six, New Zealand played Australia in a Test match 224 00:12:44,933 --> 00:12:47,733 Speaker 2: at the Base in Reserve and we're all out for 225 00:12:47,853 --> 00:12:51,213 Speaker 2: forty six and fifty four. But we kept go on playing, 226 00:12:51,253 --> 00:12:55,773 Speaker 2: didn't we? And yeah, that time comes sometimes you are 227 00:12:55,813 --> 00:12:58,693 Speaker 2: going to get embarrassed. But if you don't try, you 228 00:12:58,813 --> 00:13:01,093 Speaker 2: don't get anything and you don't achieve anything. So I 229 00:13:01,173 --> 00:13:04,493 Speaker 2: think they should have tried and bitten the bullet, so 230 00:13:04,613 --> 00:13:05,013 Speaker 2: to speak. 231 00:13:05,253 --> 00:13:09,533 Speaker 3: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot talk. 232 00:13:09,413 --> 00:13:13,293 Speaker 2: About biting the bullet. Cricket administrators are biting the bullet 233 00:13:13,693 --> 00:13:18,333 Speaker 2: over a New Zealand T twenty competition. Is it feasible 234 00:13:19,093 --> 00:13:22,133 Speaker 2: they've made a decision in principle? What the hell does 235 00:13:22,173 --> 00:13:25,173 Speaker 2: that mean? They haven't even decided yet. They've made a 236 00:13:25,253 --> 00:13:28,533 Speaker 2: decision in principle to go with the NZ twenty. Big 237 00:13:28,613 --> 00:13:30,973 Speaker 2: Rashley seem to be out of the way. So what 238 00:13:31,053 --> 00:13:32,453 Speaker 2: are we going to see from this? What do we 239 00:13:32,573 --> 00:13:35,373 Speaker 2: expect to see? I think we need to see submergency 240 00:13:35,453 --> 00:13:37,573 Speaker 2: in terms of making a decision on this if they 241 00:13:37,613 --> 00:13:40,893 Speaker 2: wanted to start running in January next year. Better, Holland, 242 00:13:41,053 --> 00:13:43,773 Speaker 2: you've been following it closer, you understand what's been going on. 243 00:13:45,133 --> 00:13:48,253 Speaker 4: Yes, well, well as close as one can because the 244 00:13:48,413 --> 00:13:52,733 Speaker 4: information that seems to be available, which New Zealand Cricket 245 00:13:53,453 --> 00:13:57,853 Speaker 4: presumably still don't have, because they haven't made a categoric 246 00:13:57,933 --> 00:14:00,973 Speaker 4: decision as to the as to proceeding with it, and 247 00:14:01,093 --> 00:14:04,733 Speaker 4: hence the reason for an in principle support. Now that's 248 00:14:04,773 --> 00:14:07,653 Speaker 4: a that's a way of saying that, well, yeah, we 249 00:14:07,773 --> 00:14:09,613 Speaker 4: like the idea, but we haven't really seen enough and 250 00:14:09,653 --> 00:14:11,013 Speaker 4: we don't know how you're going to do it, but 251 00:14:11,293 --> 00:14:13,573 Speaker 4: good luck and you go and fill your boots and 252 00:14:13,573 --> 00:14:15,653 Speaker 4: see what we can do the issues that I have. 253 00:14:16,973 --> 00:14:22,333 Speaker 4: Heath Mills, soon to be retiring Sea of Plants Association 254 00:14:22,933 --> 00:14:26,293 Speaker 4: has said that we're twenty to twenty five people interested. Well, 255 00:14:26,933 --> 00:14:30,133 Speaker 4: interest is something different from and I like Heath and 256 00:14:30,253 --> 00:14:34,093 Speaker 4: I you know that's no problem. But tell me why 257 00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:36,973 Speaker 4: someone's going to come and invest into New Zealand. And yes, 258 00:14:37,053 --> 00:14:40,893 Speaker 4: they use the Caribbean as an example of one that 259 00:14:41,013 --> 00:14:46,133 Speaker 4: didn't start. The Caribbean T twenty series didn't start profitably. 260 00:14:46,213 --> 00:14:49,013 Speaker 4: At what is now, But maybe that's a function of 261 00:14:49,173 --> 00:14:53,973 Speaker 4: its proximity, it's time zone relative to North America, possibly 262 00:14:54,053 --> 00:14:58,373 Speaker 4: also India, I'm not sure. But for New Zealand, we'll 263 00:14:58,493 --> 00:15:01,173 Speaker 4: asked of the party, why would I invest into New 264 00:15:01,293 --> 00:15:06,293 Speaker 4: Zealand on at a time zone which maybe helps. At 265 00:15:06,333 --> 00:15:10,413 Speaker 4: the same time the big bashes on cricket and the 266 00:15:10,533 --> 00:15:15,453 Speaker 4: T twenty series in South Africa's happening. I just I 267 00:15:15,533 --> 00:15:18,013 Speaker 4: want to see something happen, of course, I just don't 268 00:15:18,053 --> 00:15:20,773 Speaker 4: see how it's going to happen. The other point that 269 00:15:20,893 --> 00:15:24,293 Speaker 4: seems to be being made is that the the players, 270 00:15:24,493 --> 00:15:27,893 Speaker 4: of course, are very very supportive of it. Well, of 271 00:15:27,933 --> 00:15:29,773 Speaker 4: course they are, because they're all going to get gigs, 272 00:15:29,813 --> 00:15:34,533 Speaker 4: aren't they right. That doesn't make it any better, no, nothing, 273 00:15:34,573 --> 00:15:37,373 Speaker 4: all with that hate all proud of them. They are 274 00:15:37,413 --> 00:15:39,573 Speaker 4: all going to get gigs, and then so and so 275 00:15:39,733 --> 00:15:42,453 Speaker 4: with the women and also fantastic. But where does this 276 00:15:42,773 --> 00:15:44,053 Speaker 4: Where does the magic money tree? 277 00:15:44,173 --> 00:15:44,293 Speaker 5: Now? 278 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:46,333 Speaker 4: We know there is money out there, The money is 279 00:15:46,373 --> 00:15:48,653 Speaker 4: looking for a home. I mean, you know, we're getting 280 00:15:48,693 --> 00:15:54,413 Speaker 4: T twenty clubs being set up in Scotland, in Amsterdam 281 00:15:55,133 --> 00:15:59,213 Speaker 4: and wherever else. So it's all trying to find a home, 282 00:16:00,053 --> 00:16:03,973 Speaker 4: but it'll go in a rush early days if they 283 00:16:04,013 --> 00:16:05,933 Speaker 4: can get it up and going very quickly. I don't 284 00:16:05,933 --> 00:16:09,013 Speaker 4: know where they're going to play these games another story. Well, yeah, 285 00:16:09,893 --> 00:16:14,453 Speaker 4: but I look, you don't you don't want to die 286 00:16:14,533 --> 00:16:17,613 Speaker 4: wondering is my view. But I just think there is 287 00:16:17,973 --> 00:16:20,173 Speaker 4: a lot of gaps that need to be filled. There 288 00:16:20,213 --> 00:16:21,533 Speaker 4: are a lot of gaps that need to be filled, 289 00:16:22,133 --> 00:16:24,693 Speaker 4: and I don't think they've got enough time to do 290 00:16:24,813 --> 00:16:32,173 Speaker 4: it because we're now in in April and there's not Basically, 291 00:16:32,173 --> 00:16:34,773 Speaker 4: you need to be done and dusted within six months, 292 00:16:34,893 --> 00:16:36,813 Speaker 4: so they're going to be ready by in order to 293 00:16:37,253 --> 00:16:41,133 Speaker 4: create a competition for early early January next year. Yep. 294 00:16:41,453 --> 00:16:44,533 Speaker 2: And I've got to I've got to sign up players. 295 00:16:44,573 --> 00:16:47,773 Speaker 2: And you talk about venues, the last place I want 296 00:16:47,813 --> 00:16:50,613 Speaker 2: to see is the Wellington Stadium being used. I toss 297 00:16:50,693 --> 00:16:55,573 Speaker 2: my toys at the women's game because I wanted to 298 00:16:55,613 --> 00:16:58,333 Speaker 2: buy a punt of chips for eight dollars, you know, 299 00:16:58,693 --> 00:17:00,733 Speaker 2: I mean, so what did I do? I went up 300 00:17:00,773 --> 00:17:04,333 Speaker 2: with two five dollar notes. We don't take cash here. 301 00:17:05,213 --> 00:17:07,133 Speaker 2: You have to play by card. You'll have to play 302 00:17:07,173 --> 00:17:10,253 Speaker 2: by cards. I said, no, I won't, I'm going and 303 00:17:10,373 --> 00:17:14,973 Speaker 2: I left the chips and went home. No, min that 304 00:17:15,253 --> 00:17:18,493 Speaker 2: that's just another story. Jerry. You'd love to go to 305 00:17:18,533 --> 00:17:18,813 Speaker 2: the world. 306 00:17:18,893 --> 00:17:21,053 Speaker 3: You do get difficult patrons, don't you, Moose. 307 00:17:23,053 --> 00:17:23,973 Speaker 2: It wasn't difficult. 308 00:17:24,813 --> 00:17:28,013 Speaker 4: No, No, they were doing your favorite and your waistline. 309 00:17:27,533 --> 00:17:34,253 Speaker 2: Brian, thanks for your support, guys. Yeah, you can pay 310 00:17:34,333 --> 00:17:35,493 Speaker 2: cash at the base in reserve. 311 00:17:36,293 --> 00:17:39,213 Speaker 5: Well, some things occur to me about this is that 312 00:17:39,293 --> 00:17:42,493 Speaker 5: it's a shift of governance, that's the first thing. And 313 00:17:42,653 --> 00:17:46,253 Speaker 5: the funding of the game in New Zealand. Private equity 314 00:17:46,333 --> 00:17:49,333 Speaker 5: owners are not responsible to the Board of New Zealand 315 00:17:49,373 --> 00:17:54,613 Speaker 5: Cricket or their CEO or an MA or the National selectors. 316 00:17:55,133 --> 00:17:57,733 Speaker 5: They won't feel the need to care about women, the 317 00:17:57,813 --> 00:18:00,773 Speaker 5: women's game or where they come from. They're here to 318 00:18:00,853 --> 00:18:05,293 Speaker 5: make money eventually, and all that has the potential, I 319 00:18:05,493 --> 00:18:09,613 Speaker 5: think to create tension New Zealand. You know they ran 320 00:18:09,733 --> 00:18:13,333 Speaker 5: the Super Smash comp. They won't run the end Z twenty. 321 00:18:14,133 --> 00:18:17,573 Speaker 5: That will be a private company and the details of 322 00:18:17,773 --> 00:18:22,053 Speaker 5: how that will work we just don't know yet. And 323 00:18:22,253 --> 00:18:25,973 Speaker 5: WHENI and Nash did not like the direction of travel, 324 00:18:27,373 --> 00:18:31,773 Speaker 5: and that's fine. Look New Zealand's size and our numbers 325 00:18:31,813 --> 00:18:34,813 Speaker 5: are at the mercy. I think of global financial forces. 326 00:18:34,813 --> 00:18:37,613 Speaker 5: Aren't they look at the diesel and the petrol at 327 00:18:37,613 --> 00:18:38,013 Speaker 5: the moment? 328 00:18:38,573 --> 00:18:38,733 Speaker 2: You know. 329 00:18:39,093 --> 00:18:42,213 Speaker 5: It may be that this end Z twenty improves the 330 00:18:42,293 --> 00:18:48,613 Speaker 5: back balance, bank balance and improves participation or even. 331 00:18:48,493 --> 00:18:49,453 Speaker 3: Interest in the community. 332 00:18:49,533 --> 00:18:54,693 Speaker 5: I don't know, but this phase of the negotiation is important. 333 00:18:54,813 --> 00:18:57,693 Speaker 5: And do not stuff this up in New Zealand Cricket board, 334 00:18:58,453 --> 00:19:03,013 Speaker 5: because you're seeding control. You are handing over the ownership 335 00:19:03,813 --> 00:19:07,293 Speaker 5: and the running of the most critical money unit in 336 00:19:07,373 --> 00:19:11,453 Speaker 5: the spread of format that you have to another entity who, 337 00:19:11,533 --> 00:19:14,093 Speaker 5: when it comes to it, won't care about New Zealand 338 00:19:14,173 --> 00:19:19,053 Speaker 5: doing well in World Cups or in bilateral competition, you know, 339 00:19:19,333 --> 00:19:23,133 Speaker 5: or youngsters developing through stages or women improving their game. 340 00:19:23,413 --> 00:19:23,893 Speaker 3: They won't. 341 00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:27,213 Speaker 5: And also you are giving away about half of the 342 00:19:27,293 --> 00:19:31,133 Speaker 5: best time to play cricket in New Zealand, when you know, 343 00:19:31,293 --> 00:19:35,253 Speaker 5: and when the pictures are better, when the conditions are warmer, 344 00:19:35,973 --> 00:19:38,573 Speaker 5: and those days when you know people used to get 345 00:19:38,653 --> 00:19:41,253 Speaker 5: out on the sit on a bank and maybe take 346 00:19:41,333 --> 00:19:45,053 Speaker 5: the score with the family and in their holidays. And 347 00:19:45,173 --> 00:19:48,933 Speaker 5: you are consigning test cricket to November and December when 348 00:19:48,973 --> 00:19:52,613 Speaker 5: you go to watch with the increased chances of showers 349 00:19:52,813 --> 00:19:58,173 Speaker 5: or unreliable weather, greener surfaces to play on. It will 350 00:19:58,213 --> 00:20:02,573 Speaker 5: affect the balance of sides, like less spin involved keepers 351 00:20:02,653 --> 00:20:07,653 Speaker 5: standing up captaining spin, all that stuff, if you know 352 00:20:07,773 --> 00:20:11,653 Speaker 5: what I mean. The hardened cricket supporters in New Zealand 353 00:20:12,333 --> 00:20:16,853 Speaker 5: will not enjoy that. I would say, you'd probably lose 354 00:20:16,973 --> 00:20:19,813 Speaker 5: more money than you already are from the test format. 355 00:20:20,373 --> 00:20:25,333 Speaker 5: Now can New Zealand Cricket continue to act in the 356 00:20:25,413 --> 00:20:29,373 Speaker 5: public interest? This is a new private company. They will 357 00:20:29,493 --> 00:20:33,013 Speaker 5: not be interested in that. They are not really interested 358 00:20:33,053 --> 00:20:36,773 Speaker 5: in the women's regional representation unless it makes money. 359 00:20:37,053 --> 00:20:37,653 Speaker 3: Why should it. 360 00:20:38,373 --> 00:20:41,653 Speaker 5: It's just not on the buar's list of priorities, is it. 361 00:20:42,053 --> 00:20:45,533 Speaker 5: And player development is not a priority either to them. 362 00:20:46,213 --> 00:20:48,573 Speaker 5: They might say, oh, yeah, we want a few young 363 00:20:48,653 --> 00:20:51,413 Speaker 5: players coming through to be in our franchise teams. 364 00:20:51,973 --> 00:20:54,253 Speaker 3: But you've got to be careful. I think that long 365 00:20:54,413 --> 00:20:58,613 Speaker 3: term plans aren't swapped for short term money. 366 00:20:59,533 --> 00:21:02,573 Speaker 5: And I just think how grand will, as Moose says, 367 00:21:02,613 --> 00:21:05,413 Speaker 5: how grand will does a new competition be. I'm not 368 00:21:05,613 --> 00:21:10,253 Speaker 5: just sure what labor force can be garnered for six teams. Yeah, 369 00:21:10,293 --> 00:21:11,493 Speaker 5: what do you want to say something? 370 00:21:11,733 --> 00:21:14,653 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to say, then, why do 371 00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:18,253 Speaker 2: we bother with the T twenty performer or competition. Why 372 00:21:18,293 --> 00:21:20,893 Speaker 2: don't we just to skip out and not have one. 373 00:21:21,733 --> 00:21:24,573 Speaker 2: We will then fall by the wayside, won't we. We 374 00:21:24,733 --> 00:21:28,573 Speaker 2: have to be part of the T twenty international program, 375 00:21:28,693 --> 00:21:31,413 Speaker 2: don't we? Otherwise our players are going to say see 376 00:21:31,493 --> 00:21:33,533 Speaker 2: you and we don't even have a test team or 377 00:21:33,573 --> 00:21:35,893 Speaker 2: a one day team. Isn't that a possibility? 378 00:21:36,693 --> 00:21:39,373 Speaker 3: Well that's well, that's the reason we're kind of looking. 379 00:21:39,493 --> 00:21:43,093 Speaker 5: Isn't it that we are now Suddenly we are not 380 00:21:43,293 --> 00:21:48,053 Speaker 5: divorced from the rest of the world, and we are 381 00:21:48,213 --> 00:21:51,333 Speaker 5: small in our numbers, as I say, and all our 382 00:21:51,453 --> 00:21:55,213 Speaker 5: better players. We can't keep our better players here. They'll 383 00:21:55,213 --> 00:21:59,213 Speaker 5: all be off in larger numbers. And that's what's happening. 384 00:21:59,653 --> 00:22:02,053 Speaker 5: Look at the teams that are going who've just played 385 00:22:03,173 --> 00:22:05,733 Speaker 5: against South Africa. Look at the teams that are going 386 00:22:05,813 --> 00:22:10,693 Speaker 5: to Bangladesh. They are not They are not our strong sides. 387 00:22:10,933 --> 00:22:15,293 Speaker 5: Why because all our better players are away in these 388 00:22:15,333 --> 00:22:19,893 Speaker 5: other competitions that we are talking about. It's already loaded 389 00:22:20,013 --> 00:22:23,293 Speaker 5: up with the Big Bash SA twenty, ILT twenty, the 390 00:22:23,373 --> 00:22:28,013 Speaker 5: Bangladesh competition. They're up, they're running, they're established, some of 391 00:22:28,053 --> 00:22:31,533 Speaker 5: them more successful than others. And we've been lucky, as 392 00:22:31,613 --> 00:22:33,573 Speaker 5: I say, to a degree that the pressure of our 393 00:22:33,613 --> 00:22:38,013 Speaker 5: players leaving in large numbers for those tournaments and foregoing 394 00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:40,613 Speaker 5: a New Zealand contract in order to do so. But 395 00:22:40,773 --> 00:22:44,773 Speaker 5: that is changing. We can see that very clearly. And 396 00:22:45,453 --> 00:22:50,013 Speaker 5: you know, look, I don't care about the n Z twenty. 397 00:22:50,133 --> 00:22:54,133 Speaker 5: I mean, if it works great and we get cash, great, 398 00:22:54,493 --> 00:22:59,093 Speaker 5: and we retain New Zealand's market players here, great, revitalize 399 00:22:59,173 --> 00:23:05,053 Speaker 5: fans terrific. But it's an important negotiation and New Zealand 400 00:23:05,333 --> 00:23:11,973 Speaker 5: will inevitably lose control. They will lose something that's putting 401 00:23:12,053 --> 00:23:15,413 Speaker 5: it beyond our control. Why do we play the game here, guys? 402 00:23:16,173 --> 00:23:18,413 Speaker 5: We play it to give New Zealand as a chance 403 00:23:18,493 --> 00:23:22,933 Speaker 5: to enjoy cricket in some way, right from the kids, 404 00:23:23,333 --> 00:23:27,053 Speaker 5: me and my family playing on the park at the beach, 405 00:23:28,173 --> 00:23:32,613 Speaker 5: getting into underage teams on Saturday, running up with a 406 00:23:32,693 --> 00:23:34,973 Speaker 5: pair of new boots hitting you on the back, over 407 00:23:35,053 --> 00:23:38,653 Speaker 5: your shoulder, up to the ground at Nenville Park, you know, 408 00:23:39,333 --> 00:23:43,333 Speaker 5: right through all the levels up to international stage. And 409 00:23:43,413 --> 00:23:46,933 Speaker 5: then you get overage teams or I go along and 410 00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:50,333 Speaker 5: umpire players who have got a job and a family 411 00:23:50,733 --> 00:23:52,973 Speaker 5: who play the odd match in a private ground around 412 00:23:53,053 --> 00:23:56,813 Speaker 5: New Zealand. This New Zealand twenty is the start of 413 00:23:56,973 --> 00:24:03,493 Speaker 5: locating New Zealand cricket in a place where commercial interests 414 00:24:03,613 --> 00:24:08,173 Speaker 5: will hold increasing power and private I read somewhere there 415 00:24:08,253 --> 00:24:11,493 Speaker 5: was a sentence and I actually jotted it down. Private 416 00:24:11,573 --> 00:24:16,133 Speaker 5: equity comes at a cost, and maybe we're about to 417 00:24:16,293 --> 00:24:20,133 Speaker 5: see what cricket will have to pay. Not a bad 418 00:24:20,173 --> 00:24:20,933 Speaker 5: little sentence. 419 00:24:21,693 --> 00:24:24,493 Speaker 4: And Jerry, you've made some, as always, some highly salient 420 00:24:25,053 --> 00:24:28,453 Speaker 4: and important points there, and it is it is. It 421 00:24:28,613 --> 00:24:33,733 Speaker 4: is a real conundrum because if you don't do do something, 422 00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:37,973 Speaker 4: do we lose as a result of that? More of 423 00:24:38,053 --> 00:24:41,333 Speaker 4: the same didn't seem to be working, So to look 424 00:24:41,373 --> 00:24:45,093 Speaker 4: at something else seems to make some sense. But seeding control, 425 00:24:45,173 --> 00:24:49,813 Speaker 4: as you rightly point out, is a very much that 426 00:24:49,973 --> 00:24:52,453 Speaker 4: is that is a major decision for His Zealand cricket. 427 00:24:52,893 --> 00:24:57,893 Speaker 4: You're giving away control to capital into equity, to private 428 00:24:57,933 --> 00:25:03,533 Speaker 4: equity firms, and in my experience, the reason why private 429 00:25:03,533 --> 00:25:06,453 Speaker 4: equity does what it does it looks after its investors 430 00:25:06,933 --> 00:25:10,453 Speaker 4: first and foremost. So you're right about that. It's all 431 00:25:10,453 --> 00:25:13,133 Speaker 4: about the money. We've been told though that this is 432 00:25:13,213 --> 00:25:16,733 Speaker 4: patient money, and they don't you know, look, they have it, 433 00:25:16,813 --> 00:25:19,893 Speaker 4: they have a fifteen ten year of view whatever. Yeah, 434 00:25:20,453 --> 00:25:23,133 Speaker 4: not my experience of private equity. Anyway, we shall see. 435 00:25:24,293 --> 00:25:28,693 Speaker 4: The other thing that does worry me is that there 436 00:25:28,733 --> 00:25:32,133 Speaker 4: were statements made by some of the people that who 437 00:25:32,213 --> 00:25:35,733 Speaker 4: are involved in this that there'll be trickle down to 438 00:25:35,813 --> 00:25:40,493 Speaker 4: the major associations. Again, if that's the case, then I'm saying, well, 439 00:25:40,533 --> 00:25:42,973 Speaker 4: that's a good thing. I don't know quite how that works. 440 00:25:43,133 --> 00:25:45,213 Speaker 4: Is it come through some sort of royalty payment or 441 00:25:45,213 --> 00:25:48,133 Speaker 4: what was that like? I don't know. But if by 442 00:25:48,293 --> 00:25:50,693 Speaker 4: chance there is a trickle down, which I can't believe 443 00:25:50,733 --> 00:25:52,973 Speaker 4: will happen, by the way, because private equity is not 444 00:25:53,013 --> 00:25:58,533 Speaker 4: about giving money away for free, then fine. But we've 445 00:25:58,533 --> 00:26:02,133 Speaker 4: been fed little items, a little bit of stuff's been 446 00:26:02,173 --> 00:26:04,693 Speaker 4: tossed out to us to sort of chew on. But 447 00:26:05,173 --> 00:26:08,253 Speaker 4: it's very hard to piece it together. But doing nothing 448 00:26:09,453 --> 00:26:11,533 Speaker 4: is not a decision for the New Zealand Cricket. They've 449 00:26:11,533 --> 00:26:13,373 Speaker 4: got to do something, yep. 450 00:26:13,453 --> 00:26:16,013 Speaker 2: And they've got to do it in a reasonable amount 451 00:26:16,013 --> 00:26:18,253 Speaker 2: of time. As Jeremy pointed out and we said earlier 452 00:26:18,373 --> 00:26:20,693 Speaker 2: that you know, they want this up and running in January. 453 00:26:20,813 --> 00:26:22,613 Speaker 2: That's when it's going to be ready. 454 00:26:22,693 --> 00:26:22,853 Speaker 3: To go. 455 00:26:23,013 --> 00:26:25,173 Speaker 2: Well, it's got to be up and running within the 456 00:26:25,293 --> 00:26:27,453 Speaker 2: next two months, really, doesn't it, because they've got a 457 00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:30,893 Speaker 2: contract players and they've got to get the organization going together. 458 00:26:31,213 --> 00:26:33,013 Speaker 2: One day we will hear a little bit more from 459 00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:35,613 Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket, we hope, just to see where this 460 00:26:35,813 --> 00:26:39,653 Speaker 2: is going and whether it's no longer in principle, but 461 00:26:39,773 --> 00:26:42,413 Speaker 2: they've actually decided to go with it and signed on 462 00:26:42,533 --> 00:26:45,053 Speaker 2: the dotted line. We will keep you up to dates 463 00:26:45,453 --> 00:26:45,773 Speaker 2: with that. 464 00:26:46,293 --> 00:26:49,933 Speaker 3: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 465 00:26:50,213 --> 00:26:53,693 Speaker 2: Finally, this week on the front foot, sixteen frontline players 466 00:26:53,733 --> 00:26:56,093 Speaker 2: are missing from the black Caps team chosen for a 467 00:26:56,133 --> 00:26:58,893 Speaker 2: T twenty series with Bangladesh and in New Zealand A 468 00:26:59,013 --> 00:27:01,733 Speaker 2: two of Sri Lanka for two first class games and 469 00:27:02,053 --> 00:27:05,253 Speaker 2: two ody i's. Despite the absence of key players, coach 470 00:27:05,373 --> 00:27:08,413 Speaker 2: Rob Walter still has a competent squad of players for 471 00:27:08,493 --> 00:27:11,573 Speaker 2: the end of season campaign. He joins on the front Foot, 472 00:27:12,013 --> 00:27:16,653 Speaker 2: Rob encouraging that despite the players absently, there's enough depth 473 00:27:17,173 --> 00:27:18,213 Speaker 2: to fill two squads. 474 00:27:18,613 --> 00:27:18,813 Speaker 4: Yeah. 475 00:27:18,973 --> 00:27:23,453 Speaker 6: Absolutely great to see them back fit and healthy. 476 00:27:24,613 --> 00:27:27,853 Speaker 7: And as you said to your first point is a 477 00:27:27,973 --> 00:27:31,773 Speaker 7: large number of New Zealand cricketers playing their trade in 478 00:27:31,893 --> 00:27:36,013 Speaker 7: various parts of the subcontinent, So you know, great opportunity 479 00:27:36,053 --> 00:27:39,693 Speaker 7: obviously for a lot of young cricketers to experience the subcontinent, 480 00:27:39,773 --> 00:27:41,973 Speaker 7: which is awesome for their development. 481 00:27:43,133 --> 00:27:45,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're always proud of the depth we've got on 482 00:27:45,893 --> 00:27:49,733 Speaker 2: the game. Is this a satisfying thing? Are we really 483 00:27:50,173 --> 00:27:54,493 Speaker 2: pushing our depth for the lower level players underneath the 484 00:27:54,733 --> 00:27:55,373 Speaker 2: Test squad? 485 00:27:55,973 --> 00:27:58,893 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I still believe that any experience is 486 00:27:58,973 --> 00:28:04,453 Speaker 7: good experience. I think from sort of personal past experiences 487 00:28:04,653 --> 00:28:07,533 Speaker 7: of both Sri Lanka for the A side and Bangladesh 488 00:28:07,613 --> 00:28:11,013 Speaker 7: for the main Black Caps team is they always put 489 00:28:11,053 --> 00:28:15,013 Speaker 7: out good, good teams, highly competitive teams in their own environments. 490 00:28:15,253 --> 00:28:19,133 Speaker 7: So I think will be stretched there and will be challenged, 491 00:28:19,213 --> 00:28:21,813 Speaker 7: no doubt in that aid to end that Black Caps 492 00:28:21,853 --> 00:28:27,013 Speaker 7: tour Bangladesh in Bangladesh or the tough proposition, and we've 493 00:28:27,053 --> 00:28:29,613 Speaker 7: seen that time and time again, and Sri Lanka have 494 00:28:29,893 --> 00:28:34,133 Speaker 7: a number of cricketers that have represented internationally. So I 495 00:28:34,133 --> 00:28:37,333 Speaker 7: would assume that the side that that turns out against 496 00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:39,093 Speaker 7: the end as it will be a really strong one 497 00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:39,453 Speaker 7: as well. 498 00:28:39,853 --> 00:28:43,053 Speaker 2: Disappointing outcome for the South African series, but you've stuck 499 00:28:43,133 --> 00:28:46,973 Speaker 2: with the players generally who have played in that series. Yeah. 500 00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:48,293 Speaker 6: Absolutely. I think. 501 00:28:49,733 --> 00:28:53,093 Speaker 7: One of the strengths of New Zealand cricketers has been 502 00:28:53,173 --> 00:28:56,293 Speaker 7: the way that we've been consistent with our selections and 503 00:28:56,453 --> 00:29:00,893 Speaker 7: given guys opportunity to play, to fail, to succeed, but 504 00:29:01,413 --> 00:29:04,613 Speaker 7: also to you know, to find their feet. International cricket 505 00:29:04,733 --> 00:29:09,013 Speaker 7: can be very challenging and brutal at times, so for 506 00:29:09,293 --> 00:29:11,973 Speaker 7: most of the players, you know, it's handy to give 507 00:29:12,013 --> 00:29:14,053 Speaker 7: them a number of opportunities to just try and find 508 00:29:14,053 --> 00:29:17,053 Speaker 7: their feet, express themselves, get a good strong understanding of 509 00:29:17,693 --> 00:29:23,293 Speaker 7: the requirements of international cricket, understand where their games set 510 00:29:23,373 --> 00:29:26,773 Speaker 7: up and hard stack, how they stack up against international opposition. 511 00:29:27,613 --> 00:29:29,253 Speaker 7: And then if you can keep doing that and keep 512 00:29:29,333 --> 00:29:31,653 Speaker 7: coming back, then in no doubt you get better and grow. 513 00:29:32,013 --> 00:29:36,253 Speaker 2: It's basically for white ball this tour, although the Ay 514 00:29:36,373 --> 00:29:40,333 Speaker 2: side are playing first class games in Sri Lanka so 515 00:29:40,493 --> 00:29:44,333 Speaker 2: there's a wider development. Will any of this play a 516 00:29:44,413 --> 00:29:46,253 Speaker 2: part in the selection of the team for England. 517 00:29:46,573 --> 00:29:50,013 Speaker 7: I mean, obviously those two first class games are important 518 00:29:50,733 --> 00:29:55,773 Speaker 7: conditions you would suggest should be quite different and look 519 00:29:55,853 --> 00:29:59,333 Speaker 7: that the test that is fairly settled, fairly comfortable with 520 00:29:59,813 --> 00:30:02,053 Speaker 7: you know, with the players that have represented Albit that 521 00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:05,493 Speaker 7: against West Indies. We did also use a large number 522 00:30:05,533 --> 00:30:08,853 Speaker 7: of players given the injuries that we did have, So. 523 00:30:10,333 --> 00:30:11,973 Speaker 6: You know, all performance is important. 524 00:30:12,293 --> 00:30:14,373 Speaker 7: Does that mean that you know that that will be 525 00:30:14,973 --> 00:30:18,893 Speaker 7: a test squad selection criteria but probably not. But you know, 526 00:30:19,293 --> 00:30:21,653 Speaker 7: given the what we saw in the summer, you know 527 00:30:21,853 --> 00:30:24,253 Speaker 7: there's a lot of guys that are that need to 528 00:30:24,293 --> 00:30:27,173 Speaker 7: be ready given you know that we need to take 529 00:30:27,213 --> 00:30:30,173 Speaker 7: care of all eventualities from a team point of view. 530 00:30:30,333 --> 00:30:34,133 Speaker 2: How strong was the temptation to perhaps include O'Connor from 531 00:30:34,293 --> 00:30:37,373 Speaker 2: Otago in the eight to a bearing in mind the 532 00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:40,893 Speaker 2: end of the season that he had for Otago and 533 00:30:41,293 --> 00:30:41,773 Speaker 2: his bowling. 534 00:30:42,253 --> 00:30:44,573 Speaker 6: I mean, look, it's wonderful to see Tom come in 535 00:30:44,733 --> 00:30:46,333 Speaker 6: and do what he did. 536 00:30:47,733 --> 00:30:50,013 Speaker 7: A left arm and us there's another left arm in 537 00:30:50,053 --> 00:30:54,853 Speaker 7: our system is handy and obviously you know, performed exceptionally 538 00:30:54,933 --> 00:30:56,693 Speaker 7: well to the back end of the season. But you know, 539 00:30:56,773 --> 00:30:59,733 Speaker 7: again I keep coming back to what has been the strength. 540 00:30:59,773 --> 00:31:02,373 Speaker 7: You know, strength has been acknowledging those that have performed 541 00:31:02,413 --> 00:31:04,253 Speaker 7: not just you know, one half of a season, but 542 00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:09,213 Speaker 7: season after season, giving those guys opportunities. You know, even 543 00:31:09,253 --> 00:31:12,413 Speaker 7: though we have had another standout performer. So for me, 544 00:31:12,533 --> 00:31:15,253 Speaker 7: it's just to add him into the mix, make sure 545 00:31:15,293 --> 00:31:17,453 Speaker 7: that we take care of his development as much as 546 00:31:17,533 --> 00:31:20,413 Speaker 7: the next and hopefully he's on the next day to. 547 00:31:20,453 --> 00:31:22,933 Speaker 2: It just a couple of quick ones. Any player is 548 00:31:23,093 --> 00:31:24,813 Speaker 2: not considered because of injury. 549 00:31:25,573 --> 00:31:27,853 Speaker 7: No, not at not at the stage. I think we're 550 00:31:27,933 --> 00:31:29,493 Speaker 7: sort of at a clean bull of health. 551 00:31:30,413 --> 00:31:33,253 Speaker 2: That's positive news as a home season comes to an end. 552 00:31:33,293 --> 00:31:36,973 Speaker 2: But Roberto also had time to reflect on a disappointing 553 00:31:37,013 --> 00:31:40,333 Speaker 2: T twenty result against a below strength South African side. 554 00:31:41,013 --> 00:31:42,493 Speaker 6: It is a bit of a double edged sword. 555 00:31:42,573 --> 00:31:45,253 Speaker 7: But again I mean, I don't think any player would 556 00:31:45,293 --> 00:31:48,573 Speaker 7: not benefit from having played that five minute series against 557 00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:49,133 Speaker 7: safe Good. 558 00:31:50,213 --> 00:31:51,573 Speaker 6: You know, as a batting unit. 559 00:31:52,093 --> 00:31:54,653 Speaker 7: The safe Can bowling lineup was a strong one one 560 00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:58,293 Speaker 7: with lots of international experience, World Cup experience as well, 561 00:31:59,333 --> 00:32:02,573 Speaker 7: So for them that would have been invaluable to you know, 562 00:32:02,653 --> 00:32:05,213 Speaker 7: to go hard and face that line lineup and then 563 00:32:05,813 --> 00:32:07,453 Speaker 7: you know, from a bowling point of view, again, like 564 00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:10,493 Speaker 7: T twenty, creaters was going to present challenges. We're going 565 00:32:10,533 --> 00:32:13,013 Speaker 7: to put you under pressure, so to just have a 566 00:32:13,053 --> 00:32:17,173 Speaker 7: look at execution in pressure moments gives you good information. 567 00:32:18,053 --> 00:32:21,133 Speaker 6: So whilst it wasn't the World Cup. 568 00:32:20,933 --> 00:32:24,133 Speaker 7: Group that was appearing and that would would would be nice. 569 00:32:24,173 --> 00:32:28,173 Speaker 7: Of course, I still believe there's great value in those fixtures. 570 00:32:28,373 --> 00:32:31,573 Speaker 2: As they head off overseas, you'd be obviously excited that 571 00:32:31,773 --> 00:32:34,773 Speaker 2: Will O'Rourke is fit, raring to go and looking to 572 00:32:34,813 --> 00:32:38,373 Speaker 2: get himself back into contention for the England series in June. 573 00:32:39,173 --> 00:32:42,253 Speaker 7: I think you can take my excitement and double and 574 00:32:42,333 --> 00:32:45,173 Speaker 7: double it and you'll get to his. No, he's he's 575 00:32:45,493 --> 00:32:49,253 Speaker 7: worked incredibly odd to to to get back on the field. 576 00:32:49,293 --> 00:32:51,853 Speaker 7: That had to be very patient obviously with this type 577 00:32:51,853 --> 00:32:56,533 Speaker 7: of injury. But yeah, I'm super excited that he's that 578 00:32:56,653 --> 00:33:00,013 Speaker 7: he's bowling again and that hopefully all things going well, 579 00:33:00,213 --> 00:33:03,293 Speaker 7: he'll be back on the field competing and that'll be 580 00:33:03,413 --> 00:33:07,293 Speaker 7: just the first step in his return to play and 581 00:33:07,413 --> 00:33:09,893 Speaker 7: having him available for that Test series, you know, would 582 00:33:09,933 --> 00:33:10,573 Speaker 7: be first price. 583 00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:13,533 Speaker 2: Life's a bit more encouraging for the black Caps now, 584 00:33:13,613 --> 00:33:17,853 Speaker 2: bearing in mind the situation that existed back in November. 585 00:33:18,453 --> 00:33:20,093 Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely fingers crossed. 586 00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:22,813 Speaker 7: I think a couple of weeks out from that rest 587 00:33:22,853 --> 00:33:25,573 Speaker 7: India series, everything was rosy and then it's started to 588 00:33:25,693 --> 00:33:28,973 Speaker 7: change pretty quickly. So hoping to you know, to not 589 00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:31,573 Speaker 7: be in a similar position, but you know, cricket is cricket. 590 00:33:31,653 --> 00:33:32,333 Speaker 6: Things do happen. 591 00:33:33,653 --> 00:33:35,653 Speaker 7: I think what we did learn was, you know that 592 00:33:35,773 --> 00:33:38,773 Speaker 7: the guys that came in, they stood up, they delivered 593 00:33:38,813 --> 00:33:42,973 Speaker 7: for their country. We managed to deliver performances that got 594 00:33:43,053 --> 00:33:46,373 Speaker 7: us over the line. So and again to come back 595 00:33:46,413 --> 00:33:48,093 Speaker 7: to these tours that are about to happen, I think 596 00:33:48,133 --> 00:33:51,613 Speaker 7: that just continues to put more people in the frame, 597 00:33:51,773 --> 00:33:54,573 Speaker 7: gives more people the experience, and gives us a broader 598 00:33:54,653 --> 00:33:56,733 Speaker 7: group of players to pick from if we would need to. 599 00:33:58,013 --> 00:34:01,933 Speaker 2: Yees. So we've got forty six players representing New Zealand 600 00:34:02,013 --> 00:34:05,693 Speaker 2: this year, seventeen in the big money in the IPL, 601 00:34:06,413 --> 00:34:10,413 Speaker 2: and we've picked Sea team well one of them's a 602 00:34:10,493 --> 00:34:12,933 Speaker 2: New Zealand A team and it's great to see some 603 00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:16,093 Speaker 2: of those players go. I just have a couple of questions. 604 00:34:16,373 --> 00:34:18,093 Speaker 2: Is everybody being short changed by this? 605 00:34:18,253 --> 00:34:18,413 Speaker 4: Now? 606 00:34:18,693 --> 00:34:21,333 Speaker 2: I think we've been short changed by a B South 607 00:34:21,373 --> 00:34:26,093 Speaker 2: African team coming to New Zealand and playing New Zealand B. Admittedly, 608 00:34:26,173 --> 00:34:28,293 Speaker 2: there will be opportunities for players and they will have 609 00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:32,413 Speaker 2: achieved something I'm sure from it, But if I'm a 610 00:34:32,973 --> 00:34:36,373 Speaker 2: cricket fan and it might be what you were addressing, Jerry. 611 00:34:36,613 --> 00:34:38,653 Speaker 2: I want to see our best players here at home 612 00:34:39,413 --> 00:34:42,773 Speaker 2: playing when they come back from the world t tw Eddy. 613 00:34:42,933 --> 00:34:46,213 Speaker 2: I wanted to see Finn Allen, Tim seifertt Ratch and Ravendra, 614 00:34:46,733 --> 00:34:49,453 Speaker 2: Daryl Mitchell, all those players he took part. That's what 615 00:34:49,573 --> 00:34:51,533 Speaker 2: I pay them money through the gate for. That's why 616 00:34:51,573 --> 00:34:52,893 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go and buy chips at the 617 00:34:52,893 --> 00:34:54,453 Speaker 2: bloody Wellington Stadium anymore. 618 00:34:55,933 --> 00:34:58,533 Speaker 5: It's not the fact that there are new players there. 619 00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:02,653 Speaker 5: I think you always need to have a balance between 620 00:35:02,853 --> 00:35:08,893 Speaker 5: experienced players and your proper Usually one or mo two 621 00:35:09,773 --> 00:35:13,693 Speaker 5: guys into the side. They can sit in the changing room, 622 00:35:13,813 --> 00:35:17,213 Speaker 5: they can change alongside these guys, they can watch how 623 00:35:17,253 --> 00:35:20,733 Speaker 5: they prepare, they can get out into the game, maybe 624 00:35:20,893 --> 00:35:25,453 Speaker 5: take a catch, do their business, and you slowly build 625 00:35:25,493 --> 00:35:26,813 Speaker 5: your way into the side. 626 00:35:26,933 --> 00:35:29,693 Speaker 3: You don't normally start opening. You start at number six 627 00:35:29,893 --> 00:35:33,253 Speaker 3: or wherever it is and work your way up or down. 628 00:35:33,973 --> 00:35:38,093 Speaker 5: And that's the way it's been in the past, and 629 00:35:38,173 --> 00:35:39,613 Speaker 5: it's been a successful way. 630 00:35:39,733 --> 00:35:42,653 Speaker 3: To have eight and nine new players. 631 00:35:44,293 --> 00:35:48,573 Speaker 5: Yeah, that does start affecting things quite a bit, but 632 00:35:48,773 --> 00:35:55,173 Speaker 5: that's I'm afraid things that have changed that have forced 633 00:35:55,293 --> 00:35:59,773 Speaker 5: these numbers to come together in the one side. I 634 00:35:59,893 --> 00:36:02,693 Speaker 5: don't see there's a way around that at the moment. 635 00:36:03,773 --> 00:36:06,813 Speaker 5: Do we want to play against Bangladesh? Yes? 636 00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:10,053 Speaker 3: Do we want to play and spinning conditions? 637 00:36:10,853 --> 00:36:11,053 Speaker 5: Yes? 638 00:36:11,893 --> 00:36:14,653 Speaker 3: Do we want to prepare players? Yes? 639 00:36:15,813 --> 00:36:20,013 Speaker 5: The question is how many at a time and so on, 640 00:36:20,253 --> 00:36:22,973 Speaker 5: And we haven't been able to quite balance that, and 641 00:36:23,093 --> 00:36:26,853 Speaker 5: it won't be balanced either, I'm afraid, but you're right. 642 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:30,613 Speaker 5: The other thing I'd like to just quickly mention mate 643 00:36:30,653 --> 00:36:33,373 Speaker 5: of mine said he took his two kids down to 644 00:36:33,453 --> 00:36:36,173 Speaker 5: watch one of those tea twenties you're talking about Wadds 645 00:36:36,253 --> 00:36:41,613 Speaker 5: and against South Africa, and he said, what on earth 646 00:36:41,653 --> 00:36:45,093 Speaker 5: are they taking drinks at nine to twenty in a 647 00:36:45,173 --> 00:36:50,973 Speaker 5: tea twenty match? They're taking drinks in the dark, and 648 00:36:51,933 --> 00:36:55,613 Speaker 5: it's ridiculous. This is supposed to be a format that 649 00:36:55,973 --> 00:37:01,333 Speaker 5: has surely interests kids in wanting to play the game. 650 00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:05,893 Speaker 5: It's freezing at night. Sometimes it gets cooler at night, 651 00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:10,653 Speaker 5: fellas it gets darker, and you know, it's not quite 652 00:37:10,773 --> 00:37:11,413 Speaker 5: the game. 653 00:37:11,293 --> 00:37:12,773 Speaker 3: All the time at night. 654 00:37:13,053 --> 00:37:17,253 Speaker 5: I think the point that Moose made about Amelia Cursionings 655 00:37:17,293 --> 00:37:20,373 Speaker 5: that was playing during the day, cricket was a game 656 00:37:20,493 --> 00:37:23,373 Speaker 5: meant for the day and for the light, and so 657 00:37:24,853 --> 00:37:26,893 Speaker 5: you know, I just think we're not We're getting the 658 00:37:26,973 --> 00:37:30,453 Speaker 5: balance of things not quite right all the time. 659 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:37,733 Speaker 4: I reflected on pretty the season in New Zealand and 660 00:37:38,533 --> 00:37:42,573 Speaker 4: it all feels a bit hollow and someone empty. We 661 00:37:42,733 --> 00:37:47,373 Speaker 4: had a couple of tests against the West Indies which 662 00:37:47,693 --> 00:37:51,293 Speaker 4: didn't last very long, which I considered now in the 663 00:37:51,373 --> 00:37:55,013 Speaker 4: distant memory somewhat apparently we've had a couple of tests 664 00:37:55,133 --> 00:38:01,133 Speaker 4: that boost people's averages in Zimbabwe then, but we didn't 665 00:38:01,173 --> 00:38:05,093 Speaker 4: really see anything per se. We've had some strange sort 666 00:38:05,093 --> 00:38:07,613 Speaker 4: of one day series which was sort of eked out, 667 00:38:08,333 --> 00:38:11,773 Speaker 4: and then we've had a World Cup twenty twenty which 668 00:38:11,893 --> 00:38:14,613 Speaker 4: was not in this country, which we quite enjoyed, but 669 00:38:15,133 --> 00:38:19,333 Speaker 4: I felt rather flat about it all because and part 670 00:38:19,373 --> 00:38:21,493 Speaker 4: of my research for this, I actually wandered down to 671 00:38:21,693 --> 00:38:26,813 Speaker 4: the Art Roval to see Canterbury play Auckland at Eton 672 00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:31,893 Speaker 4: Park last week and there was some very very useful 673 00:38:31,933 --> 00:38:35,053 Speaker 4: cricketers going around me and about thirty other people were there. 674 00:38:35,893 --> 00:38:38,533 Speaker 4: Now I just and it's a great pity because there's 675 00:38:38,573 --> 00:38:42,093 Speaker 4: some very very good cricketers being played being played, and 676 00:38:42,173 --> 00:38:44,413 Speaker 4: I just I looked in and I was actually left 677 00:38:44,453 --> 00:38:47,773 Speaker 4: the place a little bit sad, a sad old moose really, 678 00:38:48,333 --> 00:38:51,053 Speaker 4: and I just thought this is not how it kind 679 00:38:51,053 --> 00:38:54,093 Speaker 4: of should be because one year good cricket is, you're 680 00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:58,573 Speaker 4: playing beautifully. Was watching Dale Phillips awsin this guy's sheep bowling. 681 00:38:58,693 --> 00:39:03,013 Speaker 4: Yeah he's useful, quite quick. Yeah. They were there, me 682 00:39:03,173 --> 00:39:05,013 Speaker 4: and me and twenty others, and probably half of them 683 00:39:05,013 --> 00:39:07,533 Speaker 4: are family. I feel a bit hollow and have it 684 00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:08,253 Speaker 4: cheated really? 685 00:39:09,893 --> 00:39:12,493 Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's interesting you say that. Can I make 686 00:39:12,573 --> 00:39:17,533 Speaker 5: a point about the result. I mean, this is a 687 00:39:17,653 --> 00:39:22,613 Speaker 5: result after thirty two days of cricket to win the 688 00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:27,693 Speaker 5: Plunket Shield five months November and December. It started finished 689 00:39:27,693 --> 00:39:32,693 Speaker 5: in February March, and after all the batting points, bonus points, 690 00:39:32,733 --> 00:39:36,493 Speaker 5: the bowling bonus points, two teams ended up with the 691 00:39:36,653 --> 00:39:40,693 Speaker 5: same number of points, didn't they and four wins, the 692 00:39:40,773 --> 00:39:43,893 Speaker 5: same number of wins, one loss each. 693 00:39:44,573 --> 00:39:50,253 Speaker 3: They played each other twice and both were draws, and 694 00:39:50,413 --> 00:39:51,853 Speaker 3: then the same number of points. 695 00:39:51,893 --> 00:39:54,813 Speaker 5: As I say, at the end, somewhere somebody deepened the 696 00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:57,773 Speaker 5: bowels of n z Sea has decided that with all 697 00:39:57,893 --> 00:40:00,373 Speaker 5: the different seasons and the different pitches and the different 698 00:40:00,493 --> 00:40:05,853 Speaker 5: sized grounds, the different ground staff with different equipment, different 699 00:40:05,893 --> 00:40:11,013 Speaker 5: amounts of rain and delays, and different amounts of time 700 00:40:11,213 --> 00:40:16,053 Speaker 5: to create and capture a win, all the controversial decisions 701 00:40:16,093 --> 00:40:20,373 Speaker 5: by umps, dropped catches, everything that determines a win, a loss, 702 00:40:20,453 --> 00:40:24,933 Speaker 5: or a draw, and then we must finally have a winner. 703 00:40:25,973 --> 00:40:30,813 Speaker 5: You know, Cricket is a conditions based game. And whether 704 00:40:30,853 --> 00:40:32,973 Speaker 5: it's the weather or the grass or the soil of 705 00:40:33,053 --> 00:40:36,413 Speaker 5: the ground, staff and all those sorts of things. All right, Look, 706 00:40:37,213 --> 00:40:40,813 Speaker 5: someone decides it's a point based competition. 707 00:40:41,573 --> 00:40:46,333 Speaker 3: You know what. It reminded me of Wads July twenty ninety. 708 00:40:47,653 --> 00:40:52,853 Speaker 5: Reminded me exactly of that where one team has to win. 709 00:40:53,813 --> 00:40:54,013 Speaker 3: You know. 710 00:40:54,613 --> 00:40:57,453 Speaker 5: The point is that when both sides, you know, are 711 00:40:57,493 --> 00:41:00,573 Speaker 5: the same, then you have to make some choices. Now 712 00:41:00,613 --> 00:41:03,693 Speaker 5: you either say let's give it both and let them 713 00:41:03,773 --> 00:41:06,933 Speaker 5: share it, or do you start to go on a 714 00:41:07,093 --> 00:41:09,973 Speaker 5: hunt to make make sure that one team wins. 715 00:41:10,933 --> 00:41:12,093 Speaker 3: And it's ridiculous. 716 00:41:13,133 --> 00:41:16,653 Speaker 4: Well, yes, and I accept your point Jerry about it, 717 00:41:16,773 --> 00:41:19,693 Speaker 4: but I think I have a broader point on this, 718 00:41:19,893 --> 00:41:20,653 Speaker 4: which is really. 719 00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:22,573 Speaker 5: Pluck. 720 00:41:22,653 --> 00:41:27,973 Speaker 4: It is the former cricket that well, okay, I'm old school. 721 00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:30,893 Speaker 4: That's what I love most and I enjoy watching most. 722 00:41:30,973 --> 00:41:33,293 Speaker 4: It has time you sit on the bank and you 723 00:41:33,413 --> 00:41:37,013 Speaker 4: do those sorts of things. But unfortunately I did try 724 00:41:37,093 --> 00:41:40,613 Speaker 4: to check out what Wellington's performances were, which were lamentable, 725 00:41:41,573 --> 00:41:44,533 Speaker 4: having almost won it last year, but this year what 726 00:41:44,813 --> 00:41:48,973 Speaker 4: happened but the quality of cricket down the out arrival 727 00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:52,773 Speaker 4: a couple of days last week Canterbury Auckland was pretty 728 00:41:52,813 --> 00:41:55,813 Speaker 4: good and I enjoyed it, and I will happily go 729 00:41:55,933 --> 00:41:58,133 Speaker 4: down and watch that, but sadly no one else does. 730 00:41:58,533 --> 00:41:59,173 Speaker 4: More's the pity. 731 00:41:59,773 --> 00:42:02,573 Speaker 2: Yes, well, as president of Workington, of course I join 732 00:42:02,653 --> 00:42:06,453 Speaker 2: your sentiments. That was a disappointing outcome of coming last, 733 00:42:06,973 --> 00:42:09,653 Speaker 2: and a very good last. In fact, Daylight was between 734 00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:14,933 Speaker 2: fifth and sixth. Sadly I have to accept. But I 735 00:42:15,093 --> 00:42:18,213 Speaker 2: take Jerry's point two about the fact that you know, good, 736 00:42:18,333 --> 00:42:20,853 Speaker 2: well done Canterbury. They had a good year. Henry Nichols 737 00:42:20,893 --> 00:42:23,093 Speaker 2: deserved to lift a trophy of some kind and he 738 00:42:23,493 --> 00:42:27,253 Speaker 2: got the best cricketer of the year for batting, had 739 00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:29,053 Speaker 2: a good year, et cetera, et cetera. It was one 740 00:42:29,093 --> 00:42:32,933 Speaker 2: hundredth edition of the Plunket Shield. But when it's all 741 00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:37,173 Speaker 2: decided on net run rate, played in different conditions all 742 00:42:37,293 --> 00:42:39,173 Speaker 2: over the place, you've had a bit of rain, you've 743 00:42:39,213 --> 00:42:41,453 Speaker 2: had a game washed out, all those sorts of things. 744 00:42:41,773 --> 00:42:44,613 Speaker 2: If you come even what's wrong with sharing the title? 745 00:42:45,213 --> 00:42:46,253 Speaker 2: Is there not a problem with that? 746 00:42:47,173 --> 00:42:49,853 Speaker 4: Maybe there's not enough room on the on the bar 747 00:42:50,733 --> 00:42:51,613 Speaker 4: for the engraver. 748 00:42:52,453 --> 00:42:54,453 Speaker 2: Perhaps, Oh they can just build a new building. 749 00:42:55,533 --> 00:43:01,133 Speaker 5: Well, take off Canterbury. That's a very long name, you know, 750 00:43:01,333 --> 00:43:04,413 Speaker 5: it is though. It's like kind of two fifteen year 751 00:43:04,453 --> 00:43:07,493 Speaker 5: olds crossing the line together after a five mile race, 752 00:43:07,573 --> 00:43:10,413 Speaker 5: isn't it. They can't be separated. So you give it 753 00:43:10,493 --> 00:43:15,213 Speaker 5: to the one with more pimples, you know, because well 754 00:43:15,253 --> 00:43:18,653 Speaker 5: because they're less stream they're less streamlined, you see. Or 755 00:43:18,773 --> 00:43:20,493 Speaker 5: you give it to the one which has got less 756 00:43:20,573 --> 00:43:23,173 Speaker 5: tread on the on the sandshoes. It's silly, isn't it. 757 00:43:23,573 --> 00:43:25,453 Speaker 5: It should be given to the team which has got 758 00:43:25,533 --> 00:43:26,973 Speaker 5: more grass stains. 759 00:43:26,573 --> 00:43:27,213 Speaker 3: On their knees. 760 00:43:28,213 --> 00:43:31,333 Speaker 5: So that I mean it's you get to silly things 761 00:43:31,453 --> 00:43:35,973 Speaker 5: because even even net runs per wicket, which they take 762 00:43:36,053 --> 00:43:39,493 Speaker 5: it down to, one team has got a better batting 763 00:43:39,613 --> 00:43:41,613 Speaker 5: pitch probably than the other. 764 00:43:42,493 --> 00:43:46,133 Speaker 3: And that means that your team, if you bat well. 765 00:43:46,053 --> 00:43:49,173 Speaker 5: Enough, your side has a much better chance for your bowlers, 766 00:43:50,053 --> 00:43:53,173 Speaker 5: doesn't it. And you could also say to Otago or whatever. 767 00:43:53,533 --> 00:43:56,053 Speaker 5: You've got a better bowl a bowling pitched about. You 768 00:43:56,093 --> 00:43:59,173 Speaker 5: should have won an extra game. That's fine, but it 769 00:43:59,413 --> 00:44:01,413 Speaker 5: just doesn't seem right to me. You never say in 770 00:44:01,493 --> 00:44:04,293 Speaker 5: a team meeting, do you now remember? 771 00:44:04,373 --> 00:44:10,893 Speaker 3: Ads? It's net runs per wicket. It's it's just silly thing. 772 00:44:11,373 --> 00:44:14,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could just add one final point. What about 773 00:44:15,093 --> 00:44:18,253 Speaker 2: a final between the top two sides qualifying and player 774 00:44:18,333 --> 00:44:21,213 Speaker 2: final and let's have a five day final and get 775 00:44:21,253 --> 00:44:23,893 Speaker 2: a result. They used to play a final in the 776 00:44:24,693 --> 00:44:25,373 Speaker 2: Plunket Shield. 777 00:44:26,293 --> 00:44:28,773 Speaker 4: Well, once upon a time I played one of those, Brian, 778 00:44:29,053 --> 00:44:34,573 Speaker 4: That's true. Yeah we did, Yeah, beaten by the Otago 779 00:44:34,693 --> 00:44:37,013 Speaker 4: boys in down A carris Brook. That's right. 780 00:44:37,773 --> 00:44:41,013 Speaker 2: The problem is orchistrators have got more important things to 781 00:44:41,133 --> 00:44:43,973 Speaker 2: worry about at the moment. I think, haven't they finding 782 00:44:44,013 --> 00:44:47,533 Speaker 2: a new chief executive for the company and then getting 783 00:44:48,013 --> 00:44:51,413 Speaker 2: a T twenty competition up and running. But and a 784 00:44:51,493 --> 00:44:57,013 Speaker 2: board member and another board member. And I've got to 785 00:44:57,053 --> 00:45:01,413 Speaker 2: give Nash credit there. He stood for his belief in 786 00:45:01,573 --> 00:45:07,533 Speaker 2: the back and you know, rather than stick around and 787 00:45:07,693 --> 00:45:10,813 Speaker 2: do something he did agree with, he's gone. And I 788 00:45:10,933 --> 00:45:13,013 Speaker 2: think that that's respectable. 789 00:45:13,613 --> 00:45:16,413 Speaker 4: I think on deal Nash and i've and I've heard 790 00:45:16,493 --> 00:45:20,573 Speaker 4: him speak on a couple of occasions. He's he is 791 00:45:20,973 --> 00:45:26,173 Speaker 4: a thoughtful, experience businessman in his own right, and and 792 00:45:26,933 --> 00:45:30,453 Speaker 4: I think it's a pity that he is no longer 793 00:45:30,533 --> 00:45:37,413 Speaker 4: there and that his that his experience both in the 794 00:45:37,533 --> 00:45:41,213 Speaker 4: game and outside of the game in the commercial world 795 00:45:42,133 --> 00:45:45,693 Speaker 4: is lost, which I those sort of skills and talents 796 00:45:45,773 --> 00:45:50,373 Speaker 4: are hard to find and and I don't think the 797 00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:55,173 Speaker 4: current board probably has sufficient of those in its current form. 798 00:45:56,373 --> 00:45:58,333 Speaker 4: So I think it's a great, great pity, But all 799 00:45:58,453 --> 00:46:01,173 Speaker 4: all part of him for saying, well, it's not for me, 800 00:46:01,293 --> 00:46:03,613 Speaker 4: and I have my point, and I'll move on, and 801 00:46:03,773 --> 00:46:06,253 Speaker 4: I've got I've got other things to do. But it's 802 00:46:06,293 --> 00:46:08,693 Speaker 4: a pity, and I think he's a good man. 803 00:46:08,813 --> 00:46:11,653 Speaker 2: Lost all right, guys, thanks very much for your time. 804 00:46:11,693 --> 00:46:14,573 Speaker 2: Once again, it's an issue we will be talking about 805 00:46:14,693 --> 00:46:16,333 Speaker 2: more and more. And of course we've got a team 806 00:46:16,493 --> 00:46:20,413 Speaker 2: heading off to Bangladesh and one heading off to Sri Lanka. 807 00:46:20,493 --> 00:46:23,733 Speaker 2: We will watch them closely on the internet because I 808 00:46:23,773 --> 00:46:27,893 Speaker 2: don't think we'll see much of them anywhere in the 809 00:46:28,053 --> 00:46:30,893 Speaker 2: in the near future, and we'll keep in mind what's 810 00:46:30,933 --> 00:46:32,533 Speaker 2: going on with Inded thready. 811 00:46:33,413 --> 00:46:40,973 Speaker 5: So you allow to go onste Chamoum 812 00:46:47,973 --> 00:46:50,893 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks b listen live on air 813 00:46:51,133 --> 00:46:53,773 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 814 00:46:53,893 --> 00:46:56,253 Speaker 1: go with our podcast on iHeartRadio