1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from newstalk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,587 --> 00:00:15,347 Speaker 2: Hey, CAP's about to swap the colored clothing and white 4 00:00:15,387 --> 00:00:18,867 Speaker 2: cricket balls for the white clothing and red cricket balls. 5 00:00:18,907 --> 00:00:23,707 Speaker 2: Their first Test matches coming up since convincingly beating Zimbabwe 6 00:00:24,027 --> 00:00:25,067 Speaker 2: earlier this year. 7 00:00:27,347 --> 00:00:30,387 Speaker 3: And out this time. The gully fielder takes that catch 8 00:00:30,427 --> 00:00:33,627 Speaker 3: and Duffy gets his second wicket off the first bottom 9 00:00:33,627 --> 00:00:36,787 Speaker 3: a new Orber one hundred and seventeen all out Zimbabwe 10 00:00:36,947 --> 00:00:39,467 Speaker 3: in their second outing and newsal And win this Test 11 00:00:39,547 --> 00:00:42,187 Speaker 3: match by an innings and three hundred and fifty nine 12 00:00:42,267 --> 00:00:45,187 Speaker 3: runs and sealed the series two games to Now. 13 00:00:45,027 --> 00:00:47,267 Speaker 2: A three Test series coming up against the West Indies 14 00:00:47,347 --> 00:00:50,907 Speaker 2: before Christmas, starting on Tuesday in christ Church and then 15 00:00:50,947 --> 00:00:53,347 Speaker 2: Test matches at the Basement Reserve in Wellington and Bayoval 16 00:00:53,347 --> 00:00:56,587 Speaker 2: and Mount Montanery before Christmas. Black Caps coach Rob Walter 17 00:00:56,787 --> 00:00:58,547 Speaker 2: is with Ushrop. Thanks for taking the time before we 18 00:00:58,547 --> 00:01:01,027 Speaker 2: look at these Test matches. How do you evaluate the 19 00:01:01,067 --> 00:01:05,787 Speaker 2: science performances in your T twenty and ODI series wins 20 00:01:06,027 --> 00:01:07,107 Speaker 2: over the West Indies? 21 00:01:08,507 --> 00:01:14,267 Speaker 4: Yeahs, in reflection, we'd be pretty happy given that we 22 00:01:14,347 --> 00:01:17,667 Speaker 4: took out both both series, the te twiny endlad eyes 23 00:01:18,907 --> 00:01:22,147 Speaker 4: probably never strung together, you know, sort of a polished 24 00:01:22,147 --> 00:01:26,067 Speaker 4: performance in all departments, but managed to win a few 25 00:01:26,067 --> 00:01:28,907 Speaker 4: close ones, which is always good. Managed to win a 26 00:01:28,907 --> 00:01:31,947 Speaker 4: few scrappy games, and the scrappy wins also good, you know, 27 00:01:32,107 --> 00:01:34,147 Speaker 4: to sort of when when you're not at your best 28 00:01:34,227 --> 00:01:37,067 Speaker 4: is also good signed for the team. So put together, 29 00:01:37,227 --> 00:01:40,747 Speaker 4: you know, some good performances here and there, individuals you know, 30 00:01:40,747 --> 00:01:43,627 Speaker 4: no one in particular it, but collectively, you know, just 31 00:01:43,707 --> 00:01:46,187 Speaker 4: standing up at different times to get the job done. 32 00:01:46,227 --> 00:01:48,387 Speaker 4: So all those I think are good things from a 33 00:01:48,427 --> 00:01:49,107 Speaker 4: team point of view. 34 00:01:49,267 --> 00:01:52,867 Speaker 2: Can you take momentum and confidence from series wins and 35 00:01:52,947 --> 00:01:54,587 Speaker 2: white ball cricket and to test matches? 36 00:01:56,307 --> 00:01:59,227 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think you can. I think it's really you know, 37 00:01:59,347 --> 00:02:02,467 Speaker 4: sort of maintains a mindset, you know, so you're building 38 00:02:02,467 --> 00:02:06,827 Speaker 4: on the positivity and the confidence from one format the next, 39 00:02:07,187 --> 00:02:10,347 Speaker 4: albeit that they are very different. But I suppose the 40 00:02:10,387 --> 00:02:14,587 Speaker 4: collective confidence sort of sits, you know, at a deeper level, 41 00:02:14,587 --> 00:02:16,667 Speaker 4: and that's that's what we'd look to carry forward. 42 00:02:16,907 --> 00:02:18,467 Speaker 2: All right, let's look at the squad. You have names 43 00:02:18,467 --> 00:02:20,227 Speaker 2: for these test matches. A couple of guys who aren't 44 00:02:20,267 --> 00:02:23,947 Speaker 2: there Kyle Jamison and Glenn Phillip's not considered as part 45 00:02:24,027 --> 00:02:28,147 Speaker 2: of a managed red ball return to play plan. Now 46 00:02:28,147 --> 00:02:29,987 Speaker 2: we saw Kyle play the T twenty and fifty over 47 00:02:30,027 --> 00:02:32,267 Speaker 2: games against the Windys, do you just feel as though 48 00:02:32,307 --> 00:02:35,307 Speaker 2: he's still short of readiness for the longer form? 49 00:02:36,627 --> 00:02:39,187 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to you just be smart with regards 50 00:02:39,227 --> 00:02:42,067 Speaker 4: how we managed KRL. Obviously he's coming back from a 51 00:02:42,107 --> 00:02:45,667 Speaker 4: fairly long level through injury and you know, we're just 52 00:02:45,787 --> 00:02:47,787 Speaker 4: really enjoying the fact that he was able to put 53 00:02:48,187 --> 00:02:50,267 Speaker 4: back to back games together through the tea to any 54 00:02:50,347 --> 00:02:53,307 Speaker 4: series and Ody eyes and so now it's just about 55 00:02:53,307 --> 00:02:55,707 Speaker 4: being smart as to what the next step looks like 56 00:02:55,827 --> 00:02:57,467 Speaker 4: and we'll, you know, we'll just sort of tick the 57 00:02:57,467 --> 00:03:00,867 Speaker 4: boxes as they come and if that leaves us, you know, 58 00:03:00,947 --> 00:03:03,107 Speaker 4: with him running onto the field for Test matches again, 59 00:03:03,147 --> 00:03:05,347 Speaker 4: the brilliant But as I said, you know, as far 60 00:03:05,507 --> 00:03:07,987 Speaker 4: as far as five, more important is obviously taking care 61 00:03:08,027 --> 00:03:10,827 Speaker 4: of him as a cricketer and also the longer term picture. 62 00:03:10,827 --> 00:03:13,587 Speaker 4: You know, he's a massive part of our teams across 63 00:03:13,627 --> 00:03:15,427 Speaker 4: all formats, so we want to make sure, you know, 64 00:03:15,467 --> 00:03:16,787 Speaker 4: we do right by that decision. 65 00:03:16,987 --> 00:03:19,827 Speaker 2: And Glenn Phillips he played Plunket Shill fro Tigo last week. 66 00:03:19,827 --> 00:03:21,547 Speaker 2: He's in the middle of a match again right now, 67 00:03:21,587 --> 00:03:24,147 Speaker 2: getting runs and wickets, which I'm sure you're happy about, 68 00:03:24,147 --> 00:03:26,187 Speaker 2: but just still a bit too soon for his return 69 00:03:26,587 --> 00:03:28,027 Speaker 2: for Test matches as well. 70 00:03:28,907 --> 00:03:32,067 Speaker 4: Yeah again, you know, obviously GB had a long layoff 71 00:03:32,667 --> 00:03:35,387 Speaker 4: and that injury sort of kept him out of the 72 00:03:35,387 --> 00:03:37,667 Speaker 4: game for a fair period of time. So you know, 73 00:03:37,707 --> 00:03:41,187 Speaker 4: we've worked well, he's worked really hard to get himself 74 00:03:41,227 --> 00:03:44,347 Speaker 4: back to one hundred percent and again just you know, 75 00:03:44,427 --> 00:03:46,987 Speaker 4: his inclusion in these Plunket Hill games was part of 76 00:03:47,467 --> 00:03:50,667 Speaker 4: just ticking off boxes loading and make sure he's loading properly, 77 00:03:50,747 --> 00:03:54,107 Speaker 4: especially the specific injury. So he got through the first 78 00:03:54,147 --> 00:03:56,307 Speaker 4: game and then into the second game done really nicely, 79 00:03:56,307 --> 00:03:58,827 Speaker 4: which is great to see, but also left him two 80 00:03:58,867 --> 00:04:01,107 Speaker 4: days out from a from a test match starting, so 81 00:04:02,227 --> 00:04:04,467 Speaker 4: you know, it was difficult to make a decision for 82 00:04:04,547 --> 00:04:06,427 Speaker 4: the first test match given that we you know, we 83 00:04:06,467 --> 00:04:08,827 Speaker 4: still needed to see him get through the Funker Shield game, 84 00:04:08,947 --> 00:04:12,347 Speaker 4: so you know, again just trying to do the right 85 00:04:12,387 --> 00:04:14,467 Speaker 4: thing from a management point of view, really trying to 86 00:04:14,507 --> 00:04:18,147 Speaker 4: take care of our players and ensure their longevity out 87 00:04:18,187 --> 00:04:20,467 Speaker 4: there rather than just one game at a time. 88 00:04:20,467 --> 00:04:22,107 Speaker 2: Just before we move from those two, do you expect 89 00:04:22,107 --> 00:04:24,827 Speaker 2: them both to be in contention for international white ball 90 00:04:24,867 --> 00:04:27,387 Speaker 2: cricket after Christmas? All things going well, of course, and 91 00:04:27,627 --> 00:04:30,267 Speaker 2: leading into the T twenty World Cup, both both Jamison 92 00:04:30,347 --> 00:04:30,947 Speaker 2: and Phillips. 93 00:04:31,347 --> 00:04:34,907 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'd, we'd we'd be certainly focusing on that, 94 00:04:35,347 --> 00:04:38,147 Speaker 4: and obviously things can go wrong, but at this stage 95 00:04:38,467 --> 00:04:40,067 Speaker 4: it's all looking pretty positive for that. 96 00:04:40,307 --> 00:04:42,587 Speaker 2: Good to hear. Back to the Test squad, Tom Blundle 97 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:45,187 Speaker 2: is the only wicket keeper you've named. Were you tempted 98 00:04:45,187 --> 00:04:46,987 Speaker 2: to include a backup in your squad? 99 00:04:48,587 --> 00:04:51,027 Speaker 4: I suppose if something happened, you know, we did have 100 00:04:51,107 --> 00:04:53,507 Speaker 4: Devin there. You know, we do have Tommy Laith, you know, 101 00:04:53,587 --> 00:04:55,827 Speaker 4: who could take the gloves if it came to that, 102 00:04:56,027 --> 00:04:59,467 Speaker 4: and if we needed a short term replacement. But then 103 00:05:00,027 --> 00:05:02,787 Speaker 4: obviously the time between games allows us to bring someone 104 00:05:02,827 --> 00:05:05,667 Speaker 4: else in if we needed to replace fully, so to 105 00:05:05,747 --> 00:05:08,627 Speaker 4: carry one and in the squad probably not necessarily, given 106 00:05:08,627 --> 00:05:10,627 Speaker 4: that we do have guys who can't take the gloves 107 00:05:10,627 --> 00:05:13,827 Speaker 4: if need be, that are actually keepers. 108 00:05:13,347 --> 00:05:15,827 Speaker 2: And Kane Williamson back on the side after missing the 109 00:05:15,867 --> 00:05:19,707 Speaker 2: Test series in Zimbabwe over our winter, He's recently announced 110 00:05:19,707 --> 00:05:23,307 Speaker 2: his retirement from international T twenty cricket. Do you feel 111 00:05:23,707 --> 00:05:26,067 Speaker 2: confident Robbie's got a couple more years of Test cricket 112 00:05:26,147 --> 00:05:28,747 Speaker 2: left in him. 113 00:05:28,867 --> 00:05:31,587 Speaker 4: I mean, look at our conversations really have just been 114 00:05:31,627 --> 00:05:34,107 Speaker 4: about you know, sort of this series that's in front 115 00:05:34,107 --> 00:05:37,027 Speaker 4: of us and taking care of that. I know, he 116 00:05:37,147 --> 00:05:40,027 Speaker 4: just wants to focus on getting out there in the 117 00:05:40,027 --> 00:05:43,507 Speaker 4: whites and really delivering some good performances for the team 118 00:05:43,547 --> 00:05:45,907 Speaker 4: out of these three Test matches and then you know 119 00:05:45,987 --> 00:05:49,107 Speaker 4: the next international cricket after that is a fair way away. 120 00:05:49,187 --> 00:05:52,187 Speaker 4: So we will get through these three Test matches first, 121 00:05:53,227 --> 00:05:56,027 Speaker 4: and as Kane has said himself, you know around his 122 00:05:56,067 --> 00:05:58,987 Speaker 4: T training decision is there's obviously different elements of his 123 00:05:59,067 --> 00:06:01,467 Speaker 4: life now that he asticon city is dedicated to this 124 00:06:01,547 --> 00:06:05,507 Speaker 4: team for fifteen years, and there's obviously different considerations for 125 00:06:05,587 --> 00:06:08,307 Speaker 4: him now. So you know, for me, it's really allowing 126 00:06:08,387 --> 00:06:11,307 Speaker 4: him to work through that and whatever the future looks 127 00:06:11,387 --> 00:06:14,147 Speaker 4: like and then will you know, we'll sort of respect 128 00:06:14,227 --> 00:06:17,387 Speaker 4: his decisions with that. So yeah, as I said, I mean, 129 00:06:17,667 --> 00:06:19,787 Speaker 4: the next Test matches are in June in the UK, 130 00:06:19,907 --> 00:06:21,427 Speaker 4: so it's a it's a fair chunk of time. 131 00:06:21,467 --> 00:06:23,427 Speaker 2: Alway from that, it is but then I don't know. 132 00:06:23,467 --> 00:06:26,187 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure we can get inside his head, 133 00:06:26,227 --> 00:06:29,427 Speaker 2: but there are some exciting red ball series coming up England, 134 00:06:29,427 --> 00:06:33,067 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, India and then Australia. I don't know, 135 00:06:33,147 --> 00:06:35,707 Speaker 2: I'd feel tempted. I'm not King Williamson, but I feel 136 00:06:35,747 --> 00:06:38,547 Speaker 2: tempted by Test series like that. Do you think he's 137 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:42,267 Speaker 2: got his eyes on a pretty exciting twelve to fifteen 138 00:06:42,307 --> 00:06:43,787 Speaker 2: months of red ball cricketer ahead. 139 00:06:44,947 --> 00:06:47,107 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everyone would look at the Test matches 140 00:06:47,187 --> 00:06:52,467 Speaker 4: and I feel that it's a pretty exciting proposition. But again, really, 141 00:06:52,867 --> 00:06:55,187 Speaker 4: as you said, you know, I'm not in KNZ either. 142 00:06:55,227 --> 00:06:59,907 Speaker 4: Obviously we speak regularly about about various things, and obviously 143 00:06:59,947 --> 00:07:02,627 Speaker 4: he's been the leader of this team bear as a 144 00:07:02,667 --> 00:07:04,627 Speaker 4: captain or as just a leader, for a very long 145 00:07:04,667 --> 00:07:07,547 Speaker 4: period of time and probably has ticked off a few 146 00:07:07,587 --> 00:07:10,267 Speaker 4: of these Tests series that a lot of the other 147 00:07:10,307 --> 00:07:14,027 Speaker 4: guys haven't, you know, so but still it's still exciting, 148 00:07:14,067 --> 00:07:17,147 Speaker 4: you know, whichever way, like that's an exciting eighteen months 149 00:07:17,147 --> 00:07:19,387 Speaker 4: of Test creed in particular, as you say, you know 150 00:07:19,467 --> 00:07:22,227 Speaker 4: that our sort of bucket listings for a lot of plays. 151 00:07:22,187 --> 00:07:24,387 Speaker 2: The wickets in New Zealand, awise a bit harder to 152 00:07:24,427 --> 00:07:28,747 Speaker 2: predict before Christmas. What are you expecting from the pictures 153 00:07:28,827 --> 00:07:33,307 Speaker 2: at these three test venues against the Windys? 154 00:07:33,387 --> 00:07:37,227 Speaker 4: I suppose, you know, there's tended to be a fairly 155 00:07:37,307 --> 00:07:42,267 Speaker 4: sort of consistent personality for in particular Hagley and the 156 00:07:42,307 --> 00:07:46,627 Speaker 4: basin that that means slightly changed here and there, but 157 00:07:46,747 --> 00:07:49,787 Speaker 4: largely we're just hoping for the conditions that we know 158 00:07:49,907 --> 00:07:53,067 Speaker 4: and understand of our venues. You know. That's I guess 159 00:07:53,067 --> 00:07:55,227 Speaker 4: that is what home ground advantage is. You know, it's 160 00:07:55,227 --> 00:07:58,347 Speaker 4: just the knowledge of how the decks generally play, so 161 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:01,187 Speaker 4: really hoping for the same, you know, for them to 162 00:08:01,267 --> 00:08:04,547 Speaker 4: keep their character and for us to understand exactly what's 163 00:08:04,587 --> 00:08:07,827 Speaker 4: in front of us, and having played and been really 164 00:08:07,827 --> 00:08:09,547 Speaker 4: successful at those venues as well. 165 00:08:10,227 --> 00:08:11,867 Speaker 2: Just back to the T twenty game, A lot of 166 00:08:11,867 --> 00:08:15,507 Speaker 2: discussion at the moment about the domestic competition here. What's 167 00:08:15,547 --> 00:08:19,747 Speaker 2: your view on how well the current domestic competition prepares 168 00:08:19,827 --> 00:08:22,787 Speaker 2: players for international T twenty cricket. 169 00:08:25,147 --> 00:08:27,427 Speaker 4: Well, I think, to be honest, I think our T 170 00:08:27,587 --> 00:08:31,627 Speaker 4: twenty competition is sort of undervalued in terms of the 171 00:08:31,707 --> 00:08:35,067 Speaker 4: quality of it. I think for the most part, the 172 00:08:35,107 --> 00:08:38,987 Speaker 4: standard is very high. Probably the missing piece in the 173 00:08:38,987 --> 00:08:42,387 Speaker 4: puzzle is obviously the high quality overseas professionals, which other 174 00:08:43,027 --> 00:08:47,907 Speaker 4: T twenty leagues does have, and so you would expect 175 00:08:47,907 --> 00:08:50,867 Speaker 4: it that raises the quality of the competition a little. 176 00:08:50,867 --> 00:08:53,147 Speaker 4: And then also there's the experience of those players that 177 00:08:53,227 --> 00:08:56,227 Speaker 4: come into the change room and the impact that has. 178 00:08:56,307 --> 00:08:58,347 Speaker 4: But for the most part, I think we've got a 179 00:08:58,467 --> 00:09:02,467 Speaker 4: very very strong domestic competition that obviously could be stronger. 180 00:09:02,547 --> 00:09:04,627 Speaker 4: I mean, we've be naive not to think that it could. 181 00:09:05,107 --> 00:09:07,787 Speaker 2: So in that regard, and you talk about those international 182 00:09:07,787 --> 00:09:10,987 Speaker 2: players for that reason, do you do you like the 183 00:09:11,027 --> 00:09:14,187 Speaker 2: idea of a potential franchise model for our T twenty 184 00:09:14,187 --> 00:09:14,587 Speaker 2: game here? 185 00:09:16,107 --> 00:09:18,867 Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest, I just want what's best, 186 00:09:18,907 --> 00:09:21,227 Speaker 4: you know, if one for the players and ultimately for 187 00:09:21,267 --> 00:09:24,067 Speaker 4: the black Caps, and there's obviously talk of different ways 188 00:09:24,067 --> 00:09:26,947 Speaker 4: to do that. I suppose in essence that's what the 189 00:09:26,987 --> 00:09:31,147 Speaker 4: Deloitte sort of into the investigation around what's the most 190 00:09:31,147 --> 00:09:33,507 Speaker 4: feasible and best for our cricket is for you know, 191 00:09:33,627 --> 00:09:37,267 Speaker 4: so you could sit and deliberate I suppose many different options. 192 00:09:37,787 --> 00:09:40,707 Speaker 4: I always come back to just what's best for cricket 193 00:09:40,707 --> 00:09:41,947 Speaker 4: and cricketers in our country. 194 00:09:42,347 --> 00:09:44,027 Speaker 2: And you've been in the role of head coach for 195 00:09:44,107 --> 00:09:45,747 Speaker 2: six months now, are you enjoying yourself? 196 00:09:46,787 --> 00:09:46,947 Speaker 4: Yeah? 197 00:09:47,067 --> 00:09:47,427 Speaker 1: Loving it? 198 00:09:47,507 --> 00:09:50,627 Speaker 4: Eh, I mean what's not to love really? Yeah? So yeah, 199 00:09:50,747 --> 00:09:53,267 Speaker 4: I mean international cricket and coaching at this level. But 200 00:09:53,387 --> 00:09:56,187 Speaker 4: also you know, it's sort of a wonderful environment and 201 00:09:56,267 --> 00:10:00,467 Speaker 4: wonderful group of guys that get on well. But you know, 202 00:10:00,547 --> 00:10:03,107 Speaker 4: I'm hungry to play for their country. So it's it's 203 00:10:03,147 --> 00:10:06,187 Speaker 4: really been a great six or six or seven months. 204 00:10:06,667 --> 00:10:08,627 Speaker 2: Good stuff. Wrong, Well, we saw the first Ashes Test 205 00:10:08,627 --> 00:10:11,107 Speaker 2: the other day finish inside two days. What did you 206 00:10:11,267 --> 00:10:12,067 Speaker 2: What did you make of that? 207 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:19,387 Speaker 4: Well? I certainly then ours last a bit longer. But yeah, 208 00:10:19,627 --> 00:10:23,227 Speaker 4: so as if if entertainments you're seeing, then you would 209 00:10:23,227 --> 00:10:26,987 Speaker 4: have been entertained, there's no doubt about that. We just 210 00:10:27,067 --> 00:10:29,547 Speaker 4: hopefully entertained the crowds for a little bit longer than 211 00:10:30,147 --> 00:10:30,667 Speaker 4: two days. 212 00:10:30,747 --> 00:10:32,907 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope. So all right, I look forward to 213 00:10:32,907 --> 00:10:35,467 Speaker 2: to three test matches before Christmas and christ Gitch Wellington 214 00:10:35,747 --> 00:10:37,707 Speaker 2: and Mount Monginger. We robb thanks for joining us across 215 00:10:37,707 --> 00:10:39,507 Speaker 2: New Zealand. Mate, all the best for these for these 216 00:10:39,507 --> 00:10:40,827 Speaker 2: three tests in the next little while. 217 00:10:41,387 --> 00:10:42,707 Speaker 4: No way's Jason's take it. 218 00:10:42,787 --> 00:10:44,307 Speaker 2: No, you take care to Rob Thanks to Dave rob 219 00:10:44,307 --> 00:10:45,467 Speaker 2: Walter there black Caps Coach. 220 00:10:46,067 --> 00:10:49,227 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live 221 00:10:49,347 --> 00:10:52,747 Speaker 1: to news Talks b weekends from midday, or follow the 222 00:10:52,787 --> 00:10:54,227 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio