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Speaker 1: New report, this one into the government's promise to cut

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Speaker 1: same red tape? Are they yes? So what have we

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Speaker 1: got a year on positive steps in reducing compliance cost?

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Speaker 1: Most issues are showing progress, so this is all good.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the hairdressing regulations of course, the employment leave disputes,

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Speaker 1: the government procurement, the anti money laundering rules changed anyway.

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Speaker 1: Catherine Rich is the Business New Zealand boss and is

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Speaker 1: back with us. Catherine, good morning, Good morning. From what

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Speaker 1: they've done out of ten, ten is perfect, ones a bust.

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Speaker 1: What's your number?

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Speaker 2: I'd say about a seven. I mean there's more progress

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Speaker 2: to be made in a number of areas. But changes

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Speaker 2: to some of the things you mentioned are pretty significant.

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Speaker 2: Changes to government procurement, getting rid of forty years of

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Speaker 2: stupid hairdressing laws, health and safety holidays acts. It's a

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Speaker 2: lot of good work. Some haven't engaged though, so this

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Speaker 2: room for progress.

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Speaker 1: The Ministry of Regulation. Is this all they're doing and

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Speaker 1: therefore is this a justifiable ministry?

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Speaker 2: They have been part of the change. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: are another place for business to take some of their concerns.

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Speaker 2: But when the Business New Zealand Network did this survey

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Speaker 2: of small business, we actually took the results to about

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Speaker 2: seven different government departments. So most of the government departments

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Speaker 2: have been engaging. Some haven't.

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Speaker 1: Is that part of why the Ministry of Regulation may

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Speaker 1: well work? There are too many government departments overseeing each

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Speaker 1: other's work and therefore it becomes problematic and unproductive.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's another way in to raise issues, So that's

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Speaker 2: why I am a fan of the Ministry for Regulation.

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Speaker 2: It's been a way of raising issues with departments, particularly

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Speaker 2: if the department doesn't want to put stuff into their

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Speaker 2: work program. So overall, I think the progress has been

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Speaker 2: good one year on. We're pretty pleased with some of

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Speaker 2: the responses from departments, but there's work to be done.

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Speaker 2: Acc I think needs to make some changes on case

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Speaker 2: management and helping businesses clarify when people can get back

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Speaker 2: to work. Business. Du Zman's a champion for the small business,

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Speaker 2: so this is just another way we keep the pressure

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Speaker 2: on good.

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Speaker 1: But the hair dressing, as much as I'm all in

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Speaker 1: favor of getting rid of red tape and all that,

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Speaker 1: so the hair dressing stuff was almost comedic, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, stupid laws yes, and get rid of them, yes,

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Speaker 1: But it didn't change the world, did it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's still a sector which is about which is

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Speaker 2: worth about one point five billion to the economy and

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Speaker 2: if you were in that sector, it was a big deal.

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Speaker 2: And this is the thing with small business red tape.

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Speaker 2: When you've got ninety seven percent of all businesses being

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Speaker 2: small and the red tape that they face can be significant.

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Speaker 2: So you've got to go sector bisector to get rid

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Speaker 2: of it. That's about the only way to reduce red tape.

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Speaker 1: All right, Catherine, appreciate your time. Let's hope they keep

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Speaker 1: up the good work. Catherin Ritch, who is the Business

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