1 00:00:06,815 --> 00:00:10,375 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf 2 00:00:10,415 --> 00:00:14,055 Speaker 1: Camp from News talks ed by doing up the house, 3 00:00:14,215 --> 00:00:17,575 Speaker 1: sorning the garden, asked Pete for ahead The Resident Builder 4 00:00:17,735 --> 00:00:21,855 Speaker 1: with Peter wolf Camp call eight hundred US talks edb. 5 00:00:25,535 --> 00:00:31,335 Speaker 2: The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the 6 00:00:31,415 --> 00:00:37,055 Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the yard, even when the dog. 7 00:00:37,015 --> 00:00:38,375 Speaker 3: Is too old to borrow. 8 00:00:39,975 --> 00:00:43,495 Speaker 2: And when you're sitting at the table trying not to stop. 9 00:00:44,535 --> 00:00:46,775 Speaker 4: House scissor hole. 10 00:00:47,655 --> 00:01:00,855 Speaker 5: Even when we leave a beanball, even when you're there, you. 11 00:01:04,535 --> 00:01:09,815 Speaker 2: House sizzle hole, even when there's ghost even when you 12 00:01:09,975 --> 00:01:11,575 Speaker 2: go around from the ones you. 13 00:01:11,655 --> 00:01:14,215 Speaker 6: Love your molls, you. 14 00:01:14,335 --> 00:01:17,015 Speaker 2: Screamed and broken pans a beeing in front of. 15 00:01:19,455 --> 00:01:21,815 Speaker 6: Locals, vestball when they're gone leaving. 16 00:01:21,615 --> 00:01:30,975 Speaker 4: Never has, even when we'll burn, even when you're in 17 00:01:31,175 --> 00:01:32,015 Speaker 4: there alone. 18 00:01:33,175 --> 00:01:33,415 Speaker 2: Yeah. 19 00:01:43,375 --> 00:01:45,735 Speaker 3: Well, a very very good morning and welcome along to 20 00:01:46,095 --> 00:01:48,655 Speaker 3: the Resident Builder on Sunday. That's with three Pete off 21 00:01:48,695 --> 00:01:52,015 Speaker 3: Camp and we are here too. Basically, well, talk about 22 00:01:52,055 --> 00:01:54,815 Speaker 3: your place. So if you've got a little project on, 23 00:01:55,375 --> 00:01:58,335 Speaker 3: maybe you're doing some alterations, maybe you're doing some renovations, 24 00:01:58,375 --> 00:02:01,175 Speaker 3: maybe you're just looking to the you know, the days 25 00:02:01,175 --> 00:02:04,095 Speaker 3: are getting a bit shorter, it's a little bit cooler. 26 00:02:04,655 --> 00:02:06,215 Speaker 3: I was going to say the rain has started, but 27 00:02:07,175 --> 00:02:10,095 Speaker 3: realistically it hasn't anyway, not in this part of the country, 28 00:02:10,695 --> 00:02:12,895 Speaker 3: and we're kind of getting a bit desperate for it 29 00:02:12,935 --> 00:02:15,615 Speaker 3: to be fair. But we're thinking about, you know, what's 30 00:02:15,615 --> 00:02:17,255 Speaker 3: it going to be like when the rain comes and 31 00:02:17,295 --> 00:02:19,815 Speaker 3: the wind comes, and have we sorted out that window 32 00:02:19,855 --> 00:02:23,895 Speaker 3: that doesn't quite close, or perhaps some downpipes that are 33 00:02:24,095 --> 00:02:26,375 Speaker 3: not quite working as well as they should. So if 34 00:02:26,415 --> 00:02:29,335 Speaker 3: you've got a project on and you'd like to talk 35 00:02:29,375 --> 00:02:32,055 Speaker 3: about it, well, I'd love to listen. Oh eight hundred 36 00:02:32,135 --> 00:02:34,775 Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call nine two 37 00:02:34,855 --> 00:02:38,735 Speaker 3: nine two or zbzb from the text machine. That'll get 38 00:02:38,735 --> 00:02:41,295 Speaker 3: you straight into the studio. And I've just logged into 39 00:02:41,295 --> 00:02:43,975 Speaker 3: my email, so if you would like to send an email, 40 00:02:44,335 --> 00:02:47,735 Speaker 3: it is Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz. So 41 00:02:47,855 --> 00:02:51,655 Speaker 3: Pete p E t E at newstalksb dot co dot nz. 42 00:02:51,815 --> 00:02:54,015 Speaker 3: I trust you've had a good week. If you've been 43 00:02:54,055 --> 00:02:57,055 Speaker 3: doing projects, then I trust you've had a productive week. 44 00:02:58,415 --> 00:03:00,815 Speaker 3: You know, there's there's kind of a satisfaction that comes 45 00:03:00,855 --> 00:03:06,255 Speaker 3: with undertaking the task, but also that sense of satisfaction, right, 46 00:03:06,695 --> 00:03:09,375 Speaker 3: I wanted to do it. I've done it, you know, 47 00:03:09,415 --> 00:03:12,015 Speaker 3: I can move on to the next task. I was 48 00:03:12,055 --> 00:03:14,295 Speaker 3: reminding myself of that yesterday as I was in the 49 00:03:14,295 --> 00:03:18,375 Speaker 3: workshop in the late afternoon priming. What have I got 50 00:03:18,415 --> 00:03:23,135 Speaker 3: about one hundred and forty lineal meters of one fifty 51 00:03:23,575 --> 00:03:26,775 Speaker 3: x one fifty x twenty five tongue and groove decking, 52 00:03:26,855 --> 00:03:30,175 Speaker 3: So it's h three point two treated. The guys. I 53 00:03:30,295 --> 00:03:32,775 Speaker 3: ordered it a little while ago, and the guys went, oh, yeah, okay, 54 00:03:32,815 --> 00:03:35,135 Speaker 3: he obviously wants it really soon. So when I went 55 00:03:35,175 --> 00:03:36,695 Speaker 3: to pick it up the other day, because I didn't 56 00:03:36,695 --> 00:03:38,575 Speaker 3: actually need it as soon as I thought I did, 57 00:03:39,575 --> 00:03:42,495 Speaker 3: that's another story, isn't it. It turns out that it 58 00:03:42,575 --> 00:03:45,295 Speaker 3: wasn't pre primed. So I was down at Razine yesterday, 59 00:03:45,415 --> 00:03:49,495 Speaker 3: got a tin of four liter ten of oil based primer, 60 00:03:50,335 --> 00:03:52,295 Speaker 3: set myself up a little jig because of course, if 61 00:03:52,335 --> 00:03:55,135 Speaker 3: you're priming, pre priming tongue and groove, you've got to 62 00:03:55,135 --> 00:04:00,175 Speaker 3: get into the groove and around the tongue and then well, 63 00:04:00,415 --> 00:04:05,815 Speaker 3: podcast in, yeah, powards in brush ready, tin ready, and 64 00:04:05,935 --> 00:04:08,455 Speaker 3: we're in it in the workshop, little production line, going 65 00:04:08,775 --> 00:04:11,855 Speaker 3: to do that. So and actually speaking about painting, because 66 00:04:11,855 --> 00:04:14,375 Speaker 3: I was talking a good mate Jay from Razine on 67 00:04:14,415 --> 00:04:17,775 Speaker 3: the Friday, just making sure I was using the right 68 00:04:17,775 --> 00:04:19,855 Speaker 3: product and the right application. So I'm going to do 69 00:04:20,015 --> 00:04:21,975 Speaker 3: an oil based undercoat, then I'm going to do a 70 00:04:22,015 --> 00:04:24,775 Speaker 3: code of quick dry, and then once the decking is laid, 71 00:04:25,055 --> 00:04:27,095 Speaker 3: which should be in a couple of weeks hopefully, then 72 00:04:27,495 --> 00:04:30,055 Speaker 3: I'll go over the top with my top coats, which 73 00:04:30,095 --> 00:04:33,135 Speaker 3: will be water borne. Good news, as he gave me 74 00:04:33,175 --> 00:04:34,935 Speaker 3: all the advice, I asked him all the questions, so 75 00:04:35,015 --> 00:04:36,815 Speaker 3: I don't need to ask him in question today, but 76 00:04:36,895 --> 00:04:39,375 Speaker 3: there is an opportunity for you to ask him in question. 77 00:04:39,735 --> 00:04:43,175 Speaker 3: So at around seven twenty this morning, Jay from Razine 78 00:04:43,215 --> 00:04:46,015 Speaker 3: will be joining us, and if you've got a question 79 00:04:46,295 --> 00:04:50,495 Speaker 3: of painting nature, then please text those through. So that's 80 00:04:50,575 --> 00:04:53,655 Speaker 3: nine two, nine to two. We'll line them up and 81 00:04:53,735 --> 00:04:56,935 Speaker 3: we'll race through a whole series of your questions around 82 00:04:56,975 --> 00:04:59,655 Speaker 3: painting with Jay at about seven thirty this morning. But 83 00:04:59,815 --> 00:05:03,415 Speaker 3: right now it is a general opportunity to talk all 84 00:05:03,495 --> 00:05:07,575 Speaker 3: things building and construction. I may have me last week, 85 00:05:07,615 --> 00:05:11,415 Speaker 3: and it's absolutely true that there's a vast number, seemingly 86 00:05:11,855 --> 00:05:15,695 Speaker 3: a series of events and announcements on the way from 87 00:05:15,975 --> 00:05:19,695 Speaker 3: the Government with regard to self certification, with regard to 88 00:05:20,255 --> 00:05:22,935 Speaker 3: sort of an investigation or a little bit of clarity 89 00:05:22,975 --> 00:05:26,815 Speaker 3: around how long it takes building Consent Authorities bcas to 90 00:05:27,055 --> 00:05:29,815 Speaker 3: process building consents and what can be done to speed 91 00:05:29,855 --> 00:05:34,895 Speaker 3: that process up. There's going to be a couple of 92 00:05:34,935 --> 00:05:37,615 Speaker 3: other announcements on the way as well, so I reached 93 00:05:37,655 --> 00:05:42,535 Speaker 3: out to Chris Pink, the Member Member of Parliament and 94 00:05:42,695 --> 00:05:46,615 Speaker 3: the current Minister for Building and Construction during the course 95 00:05:46,615 --> 00:05:48,335 Speaker 3: of the week, and he's going to join us on 96 00:05:48,415 --> 00:05:52,215 Speaker 3: the show next Sunday for a bit of an interview. Actually, 97 00:05:52,295 --> 00:05:54,975 Speaker 3: very generously, he did offer to come into the studio 98 00:05:55,055 --> 00:05:57,295 Speaker 3: and take some calls, and I thought, well, actually, given 99 00:05:57,335 --> 00:05:59,255 Speaker 3: that there's a number of announcements coming up, we might 100 00:05:59,295 --> 00:06:02,215 Speaker 3: just push that back a month and then we will 101 00:06:02,255 --> 00:06:05,455 Speaker 3: We'll get Chris Pink into the studio and you can 102 00:06:05,455 --> 00:06:07,735 Speaker 3: ask questions of him, but at this stage next week 103 00:06:07,815 --> 00:06:11,895 Speaker 3: it'll just be questions, maybe some text questions, and certainly 104 00:06:11,935 --> 00:06:14,055 Speaker 3: I've got a whole bunch of questions for a brief 105 00:06:14,055 --> 00:06:17,215 Speaker 3: interview with Chris Pink, the Minister next Sunday on the show. 106 00:06:17,495 --> 00:06:20,335 Speaker 3: But right now it is your opportunity, so we to 107 00:06:20,375 --> 00:06:22,255 Speaker 3: be fair. Look, folks, we got off to a slow 108 00:06:22,295 --> 00:06:25,575 Speaker 3: start last week. So if you're listening and you're thinking, God, 109 00:06:25,615 --> 00:06:27,415 Speaker 3: I do have a question and I never get time 110 00:06:27,455 --> 00:06:30,055 Speaker 3: to ask it, now's a perfect time to ring O 111 00:06:30,135 --> 00:06:32,495 Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got 112 00:06:32,495 --> 00:06:35,215 Speaker 3: a question of a building nature, whether it's you know, 113 00:06:35,495 --> 00:06:38,055 Speaker 3: the practical side of things, how do I do this? 114 00:06:38,655 --> 00:06:42,215 Speaker 3: The kind of theoretical in terms of what regulations apply, 115 00:06:42,375 --> 00:06:47,455 Speaker 3: which rules apply? In fact, who was I this week? Oh, 116 00:06:47,535 --> 00:06:50,215 Speaker 3: a couple of events that I went to in talking 117 00:06:50,255 --> 00:06:54,335 Speaker 3: to a young guy who's a former building inspector and 118 00:06:54,495 --> 00:06:58,495 Speaker 3: also building survey now and we got onto talking about 119 00:06:58,655 --> 00:06:58,935 Speaker 3: h one. 120 00:06:58,975 --> 00:06:59,535 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. 121 00:06:59,575 --> 00:07:02,135 Speaker 3: I had an interesting discussion with a guy around tiling 122 00:07:02,175 --> 00:07:04,655 Speaker 3: and tiling showers, and both of us came to the 123 00:07:04,735 --> 00:07:10,295 Speaker 3: conclusion that unfortunately, the legislation is not terribly clear around 124 00:07:10,735 --> 00:07:14,575 Speaker 3: whether when you need a building consent for a tile shower. 125 00:07:14,975 --> 00:07:17,095 Speaker 3: So we can we can talk about that a little 126 00:07:17,095 --> 00:07:20,295 Speaker 3: bit as well on the program. So practical things, theoretical things, 127 00:07:20,975 --> 00:07:23,535 Speaker 3: and maybe some tips and tricks of getting a job 128 00:07:23,575 --> 00:07:25,775 Speaker 3: done just a little bit quicker. I mean, look, it 129 00:07:25,815 --> 00:07:28,375 Speaker 3: was as simple as this. Yesterday, the day before I 130 00:07:28,415 --> 00:07:30,175 Speaker 3: knew that I have to. So I've docked all my 131 00:07:30,295 --> 00:07:33,415 Speaker 3: boards roughly to length, knowing that I'm going to have 132 00:07:33,455 --> 00:07:35,295 Speaker 3: to trim the front edge off once I lay the 133 00:07:35,295 --> 00:07:38,895 Speaker 3: decking boards, I'm going to have to paint the edges 134 00:07:39,815 --> 00:07:42,015 Speaker 3: the tongue and the groove of this tongue groove board. 135 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:44,695 Speaker 3: So I just made a couple of little brackets, timber 136 00:07:44,735 --> 00:07:47,215 Speaker 3: ones that I have on the bench that I can 137 00:07:47,255 --> 00:07:49,495 Speaker 3: stand the board up in so that I don't have 138 00:07:49,535 --> 00:07:51,215 Speaker 3: to hold it while I'm trying to paint the edge. 139 00:07:51,335 --> 00:07:53,655 Speaker 3: Little things like that. Oh eight hundred, I'll send you 140 00:07:53,695 --> 00:07:56,215 Speaker 3: a photo. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Let's rip 141 00:07:56,255 --> 00:07:58,535 Speaker 3: into it. The lines are open. My name's people off Camp, 142 00:07:58,575 --> 00:08:01,375 Speaker 3: the resident builder, and we are talking all things building 143 00:08:01,455 --> 00:08:05,415 Speaker 3: and construction. I've got an interesting update too on if 144 00:08:05,455 --> 00:08:07,775 Speaker 3: you recall I mentioned this a couple of times during 145 00:08:07,975 --> 00:08:10,815 Speaker 3: the program. Today. A couple of weeks ago, we had 146 00:08:10,815 --> 00:08:15,175 Speaker 3: the opportunity to talk with Charlotte McEwan from One Tree 147 00:08:15,255 --> 00:08:20,015 Speaker 3: Hill College. They have done a complete rebuild of an 148 00:08:20,015 --> 00:08:23,295 Speaker 3: old Kaina Aura house. So it was a it was 149 00:08:23,295 --> 00:08:26,175 Speaker 3: a house offer development site. They bought it for a 150 00:08:26,215 --> 00:08:29,375 Speaker 3: dollar off Ko had it shipped to one Tree Hill 151 00:08:29,375 --> 00:08:33,295 Speaker 3: College in Auckland the students and some local LBP builders 152 00:08:33,375 --> 00:08:37,015 Speaker 3: and I have to say some tremendous companies that got 153 00:08:37,055 --> 00:08:40,695 Speaker 3: on board with this. They've completely refurbished the house. And 154 00:08:40,775 --> 00:08:44,295 Speaker 3: when I say refurbished, it is now home Star seven, 155 00:08:44,415 --> 00:08:47,415 Speaker 3: so New Zealand Green Building Council home Star seven rated 156 00:08:47,455 --> 00:08:53,935 Speaker 3: house which makes it exceptionally eco friendly and energy efficient. 157 00:08:54,855 --> 00:08:58,455 Speaker 3: And that's going up for sale on Thursday, so check 158 00:08:58,495 --> 00:09:01,055 Speaker 3: it out. Barfat and Thompson would have it on their website. 159 00:09:01,095 --> 00:09:03,415 Speaker 3: You'll find it on trade me as well. It is 160 00:09:03,455 --> 00:09:07,815 Speaker 3: a fantastic event. I'm going to pop along. I don't 161 00:09:07,895 --> 00:09:09,615 Speaker 3: know that I'll put my hand up for it. I'm 162 00:09:09,655 --> 00:09:12,335 Speaker 3: not sure what I would do with a very very 163 00:09:12,335 --> 00:09:14,975 Speaker 3: good three bedroom house, but hey, if you know someone 164 00:09:14,975 --> 00:09:17,015 Speaker 3: who wants one, you should be at the auction on 165 00:09:17,055 --> 00:09:20,095 Speaker 3: set on Thursday four o'clock. Looking forward to that, right, 166 00:09:20,175 --> 00:09:22,495 Speaker 3: let's get amongst it, folks. Oh, eight hundred and eighty 167 00:09:22,535 --> 00:09:25,135 Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number. It is just on six 168 00:09:25,415 --> 00:09:28,855 Speaker 3: fifteen and Tony, a very good morning to you, Good. 169 00:09:28,615 --> 00:09:30,975 Speaker 7: Morning to your again to talk to you again. 170 00:09:31,135 --> 00:09:31,455 Speaker 3: Thank you. 171 00:09:32,415 --> 00:09:35,615 Speaker 7: I've got a question. We had a house that was 172 00:09:36,335 --> 00:09:38,335 Speaker 7: category three, and then we sold it and I bought 173 00:09:38,375 --> 00:09:43,295 Speaker 7: another one of colonial wooden windows. Yes, the thing is, 174 00:09:43,415 --> 00:09:45,575 Speaker 7: before I bought it, people to put it on the 175 00:09:45,615 --> 00:09:50,615 Speaker 7: market just put cheap paint all over the windows. Right now. 176 00:09:51,335 --> 00:09:53,575 Speaker 7: I knew when I bought it it didn't have aluminium, 177 00:09:53,575 --> 00:09:57,735 Speaker 7: but that you can't have everything in life. So I'm 178 00:09:57,775 --> 00:09:59,615 Speaker 7: about at the stage where I need to start doing 179 00:09:59,655 --> 00:10:02,215 Speaker 7: the windows. The windows are all opening and closing. There's 180 00:10:02,215 --> 00:10:05,055 Speaker 7: only one catch broken. I've got to take a bit 181 00:10:05,095 --> 00:10:08,935 Speaker 7: of timber off a couple of the side. Sure, but 182 00:10:09,815 --> 00:10:12,255 Speaker 7: do I need to take all that paint off back 183 00:10:12,335 --> 00:10:16,695 Speaker 7: to the bear timber. My thoughts were that I'd use 184 00:10:17,455 --> 00:10:23,095 Speaker 7: with the shore seal all based and then put a 185 00:10:23,135 --> 00:10:28,255 Speaker 7: good top coat on. Being more than one, would that 186 00:10:28,335 --> 00:10:29,335 Speaker 7: be what I should do? 187 00:10:30,855 --> 00:10:33,495 Speaker 3: I guess the thing that causes me to take a 188 00:10:33,535 --> 00:10:36,935 Speaker 3: breath for a second is that someone's applied perhaps and 189 00:10:37,375 --> 00:10:40,415 Speaker 3: not particularly good paint over the top of existing paint. 190 00:10:40,535 --> 00:10:41,255 Speaker 3: So if you. 191 00:10:41,215 --> 00:10:43,255 Speaker 7: Apply it correct, that's absolutely correct. 192 00:10:43,335 --> 00:10:45,895 Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you then apply another coat, even if 193 00:10:45,935 --> 00:10:48,855 Speaker 3: you use something like shore seal, right, which is to 194 00:10:48,895 --> 00:10:51,135 Speaker 3: be fair, it's more it's a pigmented seala that I 195 00:10:51,175 --> 00:10:55,575 Speaker 3: would typically use on bear or on plaster board surfaces 196 00:10:55,575 --> 00:10:59,455 Speaker 3: that have been painted. I'm I'm more than happy to 197 00:10:59,455 --> 00:11:01,895 Speaker 3: ask jay At in about an hour's time. But I 198 00:11:01,935 --> 00:11:06,135 Speaker 3: would think that the concern is that you will apply 199 00:11:06,375 --> 00:11:08,655 Speaker 3: a coat to the top of a coat that's not 200 00:11:08,975 --> 00:11:12,655 Speaker 3: particularly well adhered, and that eventually that will your top 201 00:11:12,695 --> 00:11:15,695 Speaker 3: coat will peel off with the coat below it. So 202 00:11:15,935 --> 00:11:18,215 Speaker 3: I think at the very least you would want to 203 00:11:18,895 --> 00:11:22,615 Speaker 3: hit all of the windows with like a tungsten scraper 204 00:11:23,335 --> 00:11:25,735 Speaker 3: or possibly even some paint stripper and try and get 205 00:11:25,815 --> 00:11:28,055 Speaker 3: rid of that top coat. You might find that the 206 00:11:28,055 --> 00:11:32,615 Speaker 3: coat underneath is actually reasonably firm, and at that point 207 00:11:32,695 --> 00:11:35,535 Speaker 3: I would give that a primer coat, probably an oil 208 00:11:35,615 --> 00:11:37,455 Speaker 3: based one, and then. 209 00:11:37,455 --> 00:11:42,695 Speaker 8: Go overficient man look. 210 00:11:42,775 --> 00:11:45,615 Speaker 3: I typically have always used sure seal where I've got 211 00:11:45,735 --> 00:11:49,535 Speaker 3: existing plaster board. You know, like let's say you repair 212 00:11:49,575 --> 00:11:51,575 Speaker 3: a section of a wall and you've got some new 213 00:11:51,615 --> 00:11:53,775 Speaker 3: plastering and some new job board, and you've got some 214 00:11:53,855 --> 00:11:56,575 Speaker 3: old plaster board that's already had a coat of paint 215 00:11:56,615 --> 00:11:59,175 Speaker 3: on it. I'll use it in that instance there just 216 00:11:59,215 --> 00:12:02,855 Speaker 3: to bind everything together outside. I typically I'm a little 217 00:12:02,855 --> 00:12:05,255 Speaker 3: bit old fashioned with this. I typically use an oil 218 00:12:05,335 --> 00:12:10,255 Speaker 3: based primer for my timber joinery. You can finish in 219 00:12:10,335 --> 00:12:13,095 Speaker 3: a water born enamel, which is really good and a 220 00:12:13,095 --> 00:12:17,175 Speaker 3: little bit easier to apply for exterior, although saying that 221 00:12:17,295 --> 00:12:20,815 Speaker 3: I typically for my own jobs, I'll often use an 222 00:12:20,935 --> 00:12:23,455 Speaker 3: enamel on my joinery outside as well. 223 00:12:24,175 --> 00:12:26,655 Speaker 7: So oil based, oil based and top coat. 224 00:12:26,775 --> 00:12:30,535 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get a little bit of yellowing with 225 00:12:32,535 --> 00:12:35,095 Speaker 3: light colors. You know, whites tend to yellow a little bit. 226 00:12:35,135 --> 00:12:37,975 Speaker 3: That's one of the only criticisms of it. I find 227 00:12:38,015 --> 00:12:44,935 Speaker 3: that I'll live with that. Basically, if I want the durability, because. 228 00:12:44,735 --> 00:12:46,175 Speaker 7: I want to do it once, I want to do 229 00:12:46,215 --> 00:12:49,175 Speaker 7: it well. Three quarters of the house I can get to. 230 00:12:49,495 --> 00:12:52,095 Speaker 7: But being a colonial, you've got the timbers in between 231 00:12:52,135 --> 00:12:55,535 Speaker 7: the small pieces of as well, so it's going to 232 00:12:55,575 --> 00:12:58,215 Speaker 7: be quite a job to do it. 233 00:12:58,255 --> 00:13:01,295 Speaker 3: But what it comes down to is that you need 234 00:13:01,335 --> 00:13:04,175 Speaker 3: to be really confident that the surface that you're applying 235 00:13:04,255 --> 00:13:07,775 Speaker 3: your new top coats to is bonding with the timber. 236 00:13:07,935 --> 00:13:10,775 Speaker 3: And if it feels like they've whacked a coat of 237 00:13:10,815 --> 00:13:12,935 Speaker 3: acrylic over the top, maybe they haven't done a great 238 00:13:12,935 --> 00:13:13,775 Speaker 3: deal of preparation. 239 00:13:14,255 --> 00:13:15,935 Speaker 7: Then that none you can see it. 240 00:13:16,095 --> 00:13:19,455 Speaker 3: Yeah, hit it with a tungsten point, hit it with 241 00:13:19,655 --> 00:13:22,175 Speaker 3: a tungsten scraper initially. 242 00:13:21,855 --> 00:13:25,535 Speaker 7: Different the scraper is that different to your sutordinate scraper 243 00:13:25,535 --> 00:13:27,735 Speaker 7: and buy it bunning then no, no, no. 244 00:13:27,655 --> 00:13:30,575 Speaker 3: It probably is the same. I typically get I'm not 245 00:13:30,615 --> 00:13:33,415 Speaker 3: sure who makes them, but they have an interchangeable blade, right, 246 00:13:33,415 --> 00:13:36,615 Speaker 3: so you can replace the blades. So you can buy scrapers, 247 00:13:36,655 --> 00:13:39,175 Speaker 3: but then unless you know how to sharpen them, they 248 00:13:39,215 --> 00:13:41,695 Speaker 3: do get a bit dark. So that the tungsten ones 249 00:13:42,375 --> 00:13:45,775 Speaker 3: are great because when the little tungsten blade, which is 250 00:13:45,815 --> 00:13:48,735 Speaker 3: about an inch long about half an inch wide, when 251 00:13:48,735 --> 00:13:50,735 Speaker 3: that dulls, you can flip it over, use the other side, 252 00:13:50,735 --> 00:13:53,135 Speaker 3: and when it's really dull, throw it away, replace the blade. 253 00:13:53,575 --> 00:13:55,855 Speaker 3: But typically if you you know, if you use that 254 00:13:55,895 --> 00:13:59,735 Speaker 3: to scrape the surface and material comes off easily, well 255 00:13:59,775 --> 00:14:01,495 Speaker 3: then you know you've got to carry on with the prep. 256 00:14:01,815 --> 00:14:04,055 Speaker 3: If you scrape it and it seems to hold there 257 00:14:04,095 --> 00:14:06,215 Speaker 3: and it's not terribly crazed and that sort of thing, 258 00:14:06,375 --> 00:14:09,015 Speaker 3: you can send it, prep it and then top coat. 259 00:14:10,095 --> 00:14:12,375 Speaker 7: But it's a good work fifty one years old, so 260 00:14:12,455 --> 00:14:15,015 Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, but be solid. 261 00:14:14,815 --> 00:14:17,335 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. Look you might find a little bit 262 00:14:17,375 --> 00:14:18,975 Speaker 3: of rot, you know, in a corner of a sill 263 00:14:19,095 --> 00:14:21,015 Speaker 3: or something like that. But again, you can fetch that 264 00:14:21,095 --> 00:14:23,975 Speaker 3: rot out and the windows will be good at least 265 00:14:23,975 --> 00:14:25,135 Speaker 3: for another fifty years. 266 00:14:25,615 --> 00:14:28,135 Speaker 7: So I should do that tongusten rather than just use 267 00:14:28,135 --> 00:14:31,095 Speaker 7: a multi tool or something. We should just grind it away. 268 00:14:31,375 --> 00:14:34,095 Speaker 3: Yeah, look you might. I mean it's a little bit 269 00:14:34,135 --> 00:14:36,375 Speaker 3: harder on your hands using the tungsten, but you'll find 270 00:14:36,415 --> 00:14:39,495 Speaker 3: actually that it takes off that loose material quite quickly. 271 00:14:40,375 --> 00:14:42,775 Speaker 7: Okay, look, no, thank you so much. I'll let you 272 00:14:42,815 --> 00:14:43,055 Speaker 7: know how. 273 00:14:43,815 --> 00:14:49,815 Speaker 3: Please do you take care, take good care, Thank you, Tony. 274 00:14:49,975 --> 00:14:53,655 Speaker 3: We'll talk to Philip in a moment. Quick text. My 275 00:14:53,735 --> 00:14:55,535 Speaker 3: deck doesn't get a lot of sun. Do I need 276 00:14:55,575 --> 00:14:58,455 Speaker 3: to stay? And that's a very good question for Jay 277 00:14:58,535 --> 00:15:01,415 Speaker 3: Sharple's from Razine. He'll be with us just over an 278 00:15:01,455 --> 00:15:04,015 Speaker 3: hour's time. Right, the lines are open. Now's the time 279 00:15:04,055 --> 00:15:06,135 Speaker 3: to call. It is twenty one minutes after six with 280 00:15:06,535 --> 00:15:07,735 Speaker 3: with Philip in just a moment. 281 00:15:07,895 --> 00:15:10,815 Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering 282 00:15:10,815 --> 00:15:12,895 Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter 283 00:15:13,015 --> 00:15:17,575 Speaker 1: wolf Cap call on eight the Resident builder on news 284 00:15:17,615 --> 00:15:18,135 Speaker 1: dog zeb. 285 00:15:18,775 --> 00:15:20,855 Speaker 3: I'm hoping I've got to this just in time. So 286 00:15:21,215 --> 00:15:24,375 Speaker 3: last week Debbie sent me an email at around this 287 00:15:24,455 --> 00:15:26,375 Speaker 3: time and mentioned the fact that she was heading off 288 00:15:26,415 --> 00:15:30,295 Speaker 3: to work and asked a quick question about bathroom extraction 289 00:15:30,455 --> 00:15:33,855 Speaker 3: and one hundred year old wooden house. Well, as it happens, 290 00:15:34,495 --> 00:15:36,535 Speaker 3: that was exactly what I did. I get it finished 291 00:15:36,615 --> 00:15:39,975 Speaker 3: last week. Yeah, I pretty much did until I got 292 00:15:39,975 --> 00:15:42,415 Speaker 3: to the exterior grill. So this is a little project 293 00:15:42,495 --> 00:15:44,775 Speaker 3: that's been on my list as well. So I've replaced 294 00:15:44,815 --> 00:15:48,735 Speaker 3: the fan, I've run new one hundred and fifty miliducting 295 00:15:48,975 --> 00:15:53,695 Speaker 3: along the ceiling and then where you duck out. Often 296 00:15:53,775 --> 00:15:56,655 Speaker 3: this is a real challenge for all sorts of extraction. 297 00:15:57,215 --> 00:15:59,455 Speaker 3: Is typically you know there's there's lots of space in 298 00:15:59,495 --> 00:16:02,095 Speaker 3: the ceiling, but then when you get to the exterior, 299 00:16:02,975 --> 00:16:06,455 Speaker 3: whether you're dropping over the top plate and in to 300 00:16:06,495 --> 00:16:09,055 Speaker 3: a safite or in my case, the safite is pretty 301 00:16:09,095 --> 00:16:11,935 Speaker 3: much level with the top plate, and so you've got 302 00:16:11,935 --> 00:16:14,695 Speaker 3: to you've got one hundred and fifty milimeter round, but 303 00:16:14,775 --> 00:16:17,575 Speaker 3: then suddenly you've only got one hundred millimeters height to 304 00:16:17,655 --> 00:16:21,575 Speaker 3: transfer through. The temptation is to take that flexible ducting 305 00:16:21,615 --> 00:16:23,535 Speaker 3: and kind of just squish it down a little bit 306 00:16:24,415 --> 00:16:26,775 Speaker 3: and then poke it out through the safit. But that's 307 00:16:26,815 --> 00:16:30,655 Speaker 3: not great. It tends to impede the flow, and so 308 00:16:30,815 --> 00:16:34,935 Speaker 3: all of the recommendations from the ventilation extraction experts is 309 00:16:34,975 --> 00:16:37,335 Speaker 3: you need to keep the same volume of ducting. So 310 00:16:37,415 --> 00:16:42,695 Speaker 3: I transferred from a one to fifty round to two 311 00:16:42,775 --> 00:16:47,295 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty by ninety rectangular section, so round 312 00:16:47,335 --> 00:16:50,935 Speaker 3: to rectangular, then had an elbow, so a ninety degree bend, 313 00:16:51,135 --> 00:16:53,215 Speaker 3: and then I could drop out through my safit. What 314 00:16:53,255 --> 00:16:57,135 Speaker 3: I couldn't find, as it happens, was a grill that 315 00:16:57,215 --> 00:17:01,015 Speaker 3: fitted there. So in a moment of inspiration, just quickly 316 00:17:01,535 --> 00:17:04,855 Speaker 3: as I was standing at my local resource recovery center 317 00:17:05,455 --> 00:17:08,855 Speaker 3: we don't call them to anymore resource recovery center, about 318 00:17:08,935 --> 00:17:11,775 Speaker 3: to throw the old one into the skip or actually 319 00:17:11,815 --> 00:17:14,175 Speaker 3: the metal part was going to go for recycling. The 320 00:17:14,215 --> 00:17:17,015 Speaker 3: plastic could also be cycled. I looked at the old 321 00:17:17,055 --> 00:17:20,055 Speaker 3: grill and thought, hmm, I could make a new grill 322 00:17:20,295 --> 00:17:22,655 Speaker 3: out of the old grill. So that's how I finished 323 00:17:22,655 --> 00:17:27,055 Speaker 3: the safit detail anyway, Debbi, So that's hopefully an idea 324 00:17:27,055 --> 00:17:29,335 Speaker 3: for you as well. So if you're doing the bathroom, 325 00:17:29,415 --> 00:17:32,295 Speaker 3: what you want. The key to extraction is putting the 326 00:17:32,295 --> 00:17:37,655 Speaker 3: extractor in the right place in the bathroom which often 327 00:17:37,775 --> 00:17:42,615 Speaker 3: is not actually immediately above the shower, which is the 328 00:17:42,655 --> 00:17:44,655 Speaker 3: mistake that I made some years ago, but anyway, I 329 00:17:44,695 --> 00:17:47,255 Speaker 3: can't fix that right now. The other thing is to 330 00:17:47,255 --> 00:17:49,735 Speaker 3: make sure that you're a ducting runs as level as 331 00:17:49,775 --> 00:17:53,375 Speaker 3: possible and as straight as possible and as short a 332 00:17:53,455 --> 00:17:56,735 Speaker 3: route as possible to the exterior, that you size the 333 00:17:56,815 --> 00:18:01,015 Speaker 3: fan correctly, and ideally if you've got a fan, you're 334 00:18:01,055 --> 00:18:02,615 Speaker 3: either going to have one that has a run on 335 00:18:02,735 --> 00:18:05,255 Speaker 3: timer so that when you finished in the bathroom and 336 00:18:05,295 --> 00:18:08,215 Speaker 3: you turn the hour off to the fan, it actually 337 00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:11,615 Speaker 3: runs for another five minutes or so, because typically we're 338 00:18:11,615 --> 00:18:14,695 Speaker 3: in the bathroom, we create lots of steam, and then 339 00:18:14,735 --> 00:18:17,055 Speaker 3: we finish in the bathroom, turn everything off and go, 340 00:18:17,375 --> 00:18:19,455 Speaker 3: but there's still quite a lot of steam in that space, 341 00:18:19,895 --> 00:18:22,655 Speaker 3: so that's a key to it. The other key is 342 00:18:22,695 --> 00:18:24,695 Speaker 3: that you don't crush the ducting as it goes to 343 00:18:24,735 --> 00:18:29,055 Speaker 3: the exterior. That's really important as well, and increasingly now 344 00:18:29,575 --> 00:18:31,975 Speaker 3: and I've got one of these to install another projects 345 00:18:32,055 --> 00:18:37,455 Speaker 3: Simmis so Simx have developed a range of extractor fans 346 00:18:37,535 --> 00:18:40,735 Speaker 3: for wet areas that have a humidity sensor in them 347 00:18:40,775 --> 00:18:43,855 Speaker 3: as well, so they run constantly at a very low flow, 348 00:18:43,855 --> 00:18:47,175 Speaker 3: which is great for ventilation and extraction inside your house, 349 00:18:47,895 --> 00:18:51,135 Speaker 3: and then they ramp up when it senses that, hey, 350 00:18:51,135 --> 00:18:53,815 Speaker 3: someone's using the shower. Basically we've got lots of humidity here. 351 00:18:53,895 --> 00:18:58,735 Speaker 3: It ramps up and then reduces its rate, but constantly runs, 352 00:18:58,775 --> 00:19:01,575 Speaker 3: and that's really really good. The other key factor for 353 00:19:01,615 --> 00:19:04,055 Speaker 3: good extraction in a bathroom is making sure that air 354 00:19:04,135 --> 00:19:08,455 Speaker 3: can get into the bathroom. So underneath the door, I 355 00:19:08,535 --> 00:19:11,215 Speaker 3: think the recommendation is as much as a twenty mil gap, 356 00:19:11,575 --> 00:19:14,055 Speaker 3: but even if it was, let's say fifteen mil, that's good. 357 00:19:14,135 --> 00:19:16,895 Speaker 3: You know, when you trim doors off often you're going, 358 00:19:16,975 --> 00:19:19,215 Speaker 3: I'm going to make that gap as little as possible, 359 00:19:19,655 --> 00:19:22,255 Speaker 3: because that's really professional. But in a bathroom, you actually 360 00:19:22,255 --> 00:19:25,295 Speaker 3: want that gap to be a reasonable amount so that 361 00:19:25,335 --> 00:19:28,215 Speaker 3: you've got air coming into the room as you're trying 362 00:19:28,215 --> 00:19:30,895 Speaker 3: to suck it out. Otherwise you're just creating a vacuum 363 00:19:30,895 --> 00:19:33,935 Speaker 3: and that doesn't work particularly well for extraction. Hopefully that's 364 00:19:33,975 --> 00:19:38,135 Speaker 3: some ideas. Debian. Good luck with your renovation. Hello Philip. 365 00:19:39,775 --> 00:19:45,615 Speaker 9: Today, my question there is a product in insolmax insulation. 366 00:19:47,135 --> 00:19:49,575 Speaker 9: Is their right to use in your opinion. 367 00:19:50,575 --> 00:19:55,775 Speaker 3: So in saying this, you're being very specific about the 368 00:19:55,775 --> 00:19:58,855 Speaker 3: product and the supplier. Because there are a number of 369 00:19:58,935 --> 00:20:04,975 Speaker 3: blowing insulation systems, right, So some of them are foam, 370 00:20:05,055 --> 00:20:10,815 Speaker 3: some of them are fibers, some are injected. Yeah, they're 371 00:20:10,855 --> 00:20:15,375 Speaker 3: all essentially injected systems. What's your situation? Where are you 372 00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:16,215 Speaker 3: looking to use it? 373 00:20:19,015 --> 00:20:23,455 Speaker 10: Got a weather board house, yep, built in the fifties, 374 00:20:23,695 --> 00:20:28,015 Speaker 10: iron roof, bats under the floor, beats in the ceiling, 375 00:20:28,335 --> 00:20:32,095 Speaker 10: but nothing in the walls. Double glazing windows all around, 376 00:20:33,255 --> 00:20:36,295 Speaker 10: and yeah, it's. 377 00:20:37,095 --> 00:20:39,655 Speaker 3: The walls are now You're kind of your one week spot, 378 00:20:39,655 --> 00:20:42,615 Speaker 3: aren't they. If you've gone to the extent of insulating 379 00:20:42,615 --> 00:20:45,215 Speaker 3: the ceiling, you've got some insulation under floor, you've gone 380 00:20:45,215 --> 00:20:48,575 Speaker 3: to the double glazing, which is great. Then the heat. 381 00:20:49,855 --> 00:20:52,415 Speaker 3: One of the interesting things I learned just a couple 382 00:20:52,415 --> 00:20:54,975 Speaker 3: of months ago, and I suppose I'd always sort of 383 00:20:55,015 --> 00:20:57,415 Speaker 3: thought this, but I'd never had it written down in 384 00:20:57,415 --> 00:21:02,135 Speaker 3: front of me, is that heat transfer is unstoppable. Right. 385 00:21:02,255 --> 00:21:07,015 Speaker 3: The process of heat essentially trying to level out of 386 00:21:07,055 --> 00:21:10,775 Speaker 3: its cold inside and warm inside. The world wants to equalize, 387 00:21:11,535 --> 00:21:16,015 Speaker 3: and so heat will transfer through any particular barrier that 388 00:21:16,055 --> 00:21:19,295 Speaker 3: we can imagine it will all so, but what we're 389 00:21:19,295 --> 00:21:21,655 Speaker 3: trying to do is slow it down. Right, So at 390 00:21:21,695 --> 00:21:24,175 Speaker 3: the moment you've blocked off all of these passages for 391 00:21:24,335 --> 00:21:28,895 Speaker 3: heat transfer, but your walls, if they are essentially plasterboard, 392 00:21:28,975 --> 00:21:32,935 Speaker 3: timber framing and some weather boards on the outside, heat 393 00:21:32,975 --> 00:21:35,775 Speaker 3: will escape through there and through gaps and cracks and 394 00:21:35,815 --> 00:21:41,055 Speaker 3: so on. I think I'll be really, really honest, I 395 00:21:41,095 --> 00:21:45,735 Speaker 3: have often been skeptical of the blowing or injected insulation 396 00:21:46,135 --> 00:21:51,815 Speaker 3: systems for walls. My own experience some years ago was 397 00:21:51,895 --> 00:21:55,015 Speaker 3: working on an older house where I had to remove 398 00:21:55,095 --> 00:21:58,615 Speaker 3: exterior cladding. We were doing some alterations and I could 399 00:21:58,655 --> 00:22:01,735 Speaker 3: see some of the injected systems that have been injected, 400 00:22:02,055 --> 00:22:04,735 Speaker 3: and you could see how moisture had affected it. There 401 00:22:04,815 --> 00:22:06,695 Speaker 3: was the beginning of a bit of mold growth. You 402 00:22:06,695 --> 00:22:10,015 Speaker 3: could also see where it hadn't been extensive, right, it 403 00:22:10,055 --> 00:22:12,455 Speaker 3: hadn't filled up all of the gaps. And one of 404 00:22:12,535 --> 00:22:15,215 Speaker 3: the things we know about insulation is that if it's 405 00:22:15,535 --> 00:22:20,655 Speaker 3: not well installed, if there are gaps, its effectiveness drops 406 00:22:20,735 --> 00:22:24,495 Speaker 3: quite considerably. Even small grap gaps will drop it down 407 00:22:24,535 --> 00:22:28,055 Speaker 3: by fifteen to twenty percent, right effectiveness. So if you're 408 00:22:28,295 --> 00:22:32,535 Speaker 3: working in a space that you can't see, that's particularly challenging, 409 00:22:32,575 --> 00:22:34,055 Speaker 3: isn't it. You know, how do I know that I've 410 00:22:34,095 --> 00:22:37,415 Speaker 3: got insulation everywhere? So those are some of the challenges. 411 00:22:39,215 --> 00:22:45,775 Speaker 3: At the same time, Inevitably, whenever I go to you know, 412 00:22:45,895 --> 00:22:48,255 Speaker 3: home shows and that sort of thing, and I'm at 413 00:22:48,255 --> 00:22:51,375 Speaker 3: these events quite a bit these days, I'll get chatting 414 00:22:51,375 --> 00:22:53,895 Speaker 3: with people who do the injected systems, and I'll be 415 00:22:54,095 --> 00:22:56,375 Speaker 3: quite blunt with them in terms of saying, you know, 416 00:22:56,735 --> 00:22:59,895 Speaker 3: can you convince me that what you're doing is safe, 417 00:23:00,255 --> 00:23:03,415 Speaker 3: that it's effective, and it's not going to cause some 418 00:23:03,615 --> 00:23:06,215 Speaker 3: unintended harm in the future. And I think some of 419 00:23:06,215 --> 00:23:08,815 Speaker 3: the new systems are better than the old system So 420 00:23:09,175 --> 00:23:12,295 Speaker 3: they talk a lot of people talk about things being hydrophobic, 421 00:23:12,655 --> 00:23:17,815 Speaker 3: as in they won't hold water. So I and then 422 00:23:18,095 --> 00:23:20,255 Speaker 3: I've also spoken with people who said, look, I've had 423 00:23:20,295 --> 00:23:24,335 Speaker 3: it done to my house, and you know, the amazing 424 00:23:24,335 --> 00:23:27,655 Speaker 3: thing is the next day, I notice that it's better, right, 425 00:23:28,255 --> 00:23:31,615 Speaker 3: you know that suddenly my house is warmer. So the 426 00:23:31,695 --> 00:23:34,575 Speaker 3: other thing. And so I'm just giving you some general principles. 427 00:23:34,695 --> 00:23:37,255 Speaker 3: I think if you're engaging with companies that are providing 428 00:23:37,255 --> 00:23:41,055 Speaker 3: that product, the one thing that they must do is 429 00:23:41,175 --> 00:23:45,655 Speaker 3: that it requires a building consent or something from the 430 00:23:45,695 --> 00:23:50,535 Speaker 3: local territorial authority saying that this is an exemption right. 431 00:23:52,215 --> 00:23:54,535 Speaker 3: No one who comes to do this work should tell 432 00:23:54,575 --> 00:23:57,175 Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about a building consent because 433 00:23:57,175 --> 00:24:00,895 Speaker 3: it's quite clear in the Building Act that the addition 434 00:24:01,175 --> 00:24:06,575 Speaker 3: of insulation to an existing exterior wall requires a building concent. 435 00:24:09,015 --> 00:24:14,095 Speaker 9: So if it went for bats and we do we 436 00:24:14,255 --> 00:24:18,335 Speaker 9: do to go on the inside or take the weatherboards 437 00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:20,335 Speaker 9: off and do it from the outside. 438 00:24:21,335 --> 00:24:23,535 Speaker 3: I mean, look, taking the weatherwards off is a much 439 00:24:23,575 --> 00:24:29,055 Speaker 3: bigger job. It potentially taking the weatherwards off gives you 440 00:24:29,135 --> 00:24:32,015 Speaker 3: an opportunity to do things like, you know, add a 441 00:24:32,015 --> 00:24:34,895 Speaker 3: building rap around the outside and try and deal with 442 00:24:34,935 --> 00:24:38,415 Speaker 3: air tightness. Again. You know, a lot of the discussion 443 00:24:38,415 --> 00:24:41,175 Speaker 3: at the moment in terms of building better is also 444 00:24:41,255 --> 00:24:46,855 Speaker 3: talking about air tightness. So you know, your house, my house, 445 00:24:46,895 --> 00:24:49,135 Speaker 3: to be fair, and a whole bunch of other ones. 446 00:24:50,575 --> 00:24:52,775 Speaker 3: You know, we might have timber framing and weatherboards, right, 447 00:24:52,815 --> 00:24:54,695 Speaker 3: but there might not even there might be some old 448 00:24:54,695 --> 00:24:57,575 Speaker 3: tar paper or possibly your house there may not be 449 00:24:57,695 --> 00:25:02,055 Speaker 3: any building paper around the outside. So every single gap 450 00:25:02,095 --> 00:25:05,255 Speaker 3: and crack that there is in the weatherboards, a scriber 451 00:25:05,335 --> 00:25:07,695 Speaker 3: around a flashing bottom of the weather boards, all that 452 00:25:07,735 --> 00:25:11,335 Speaker 3: sort of thing. We'll all be allowing air to push 453 00:25:11,455 --> 00:25:15,775 Speaker 3: through the building envelope, and that reduces the effectiveness of 454 00:25:15,815 --> 00:25:17,615 Speaker 3: any heating Because of air can get in, it can 455 00:25:17,655 --> 00:25:21,455 Speaker 3: also get out. And if everything's trying to equalize, you've 456 00:25:21,495 --> 00:25:24,135 Speaker 3: got a nice warm room inside and it's ten degrees outside, 457 00:25:24,175 --> 00:25:27,135 Speaker 3: it's going to actively be sucking all of that warm 458 00:25:27,375 --> 00:25:29,375 Speaker 3: outside of the house with the gaps and cracks. So 459 00:25:29,895 --> 00:25:33,735 Speaker 3: if you were to do exterior cladding, almost no one, 460 00:25:33,775 --> 00:25:37,615 Speaker 3: I know, unless you're doing a really extensive rebuild or 461 00:25:37,655 --> 00:25:39,895 Speaker 3: you're aiming for high performance or something like that, would 462 00:25:39,935 --> 00:25:42,295 Speaker 3: go to the extent of taking the exterior cladding off. 463 00:25:43,015 --> 00:25:46,415 Speaker 3: Sometimes with old houses, you know, the interior wall linings 464 00:25:46,455 --> 00:25:49,215 Speaker 3: have got a bit shabby or they've got wallpaper on them, 465 00:25:49,335 --> 00:25:52,175 Speaker 3: so we tend to pull that off. But again, if 466 00:25:52,255 --> 00:25:56,615 Speaker 3: that's all, if your intention is to install insulation in 467 00:25:56,695 --> 00:25:58,975 Speaker 3: an existing exterior wall, and you're going to do that 468 00:25:59,015 --> 00:26:02,655 Speaker 3: by removing the wall lining, technically that requires a building 469 00:26:02,695 --> 00:26:09,295 Speaker 3: consent as well. Yeah, you know, and I think look 470 00:26:09,335 --> 00:26:13,375 Speaker 3: around there's some really good resources online And again I 471 00:26:14,175 --> 00:26:17,655 Speaker 3: really do emphasize this. Whoever ends up doing the job, 472 00:26:17,775 --> 00:26:21,495 Speaker 3: they must provide you with documentation to say either it's 473 00:26:21,575 --> 00:26:26,255 Speaker 3: a system which has prior approval from councils. This is 474 00:26:26,335 --> 00:26:29,455 Speaker 3: what often happens, so rather than them having to go 475 00:26:29,495 --> 00:26:33,135 Speaker 3: through and make an individual submission for a building consent, 476 00:26:34,935 --> 00:26:37,655 Speaker 3: there'll often be a process where the council goes, okay, 477 00:26:37,655 --> 00:26:40,335 Speaker 3: it's that system. We know it works. You've provided me 478 00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:42,415 Speaker 3: with some evidence. You know we don't need to come 479 00:26:42,455 --> 00:26:45,095 Speaker 3: out and do an inspection. We issue a building consent 480 00:26:45,295 --> 00:26:49,535 Speaker 3: and a CCC. Or they'll say okay, we understand the system. 481 00:26:49,615 --> 00:26:52,495 Speaker 3: We're prepared to give you an exemption from a building consent, 482 00:26:52,575 --> 00:26:57,215 Speaker 3: but again, get the paperwork. Okay, all the us, you 483 00:26:57,295 --> 00:27:01,455 Speaker 3: make take care my pleasure, all of us. Hopefully it 484 00:27:01,455 --> 00:27:04,975 Speaker 3: didn't sound too heavy, but I think if we're going 485 00:27:05,055 --> 00:27:06,695 Speaker 3: to do it, we're going to do it well. And 486 00:27:06,735 --> 00:27:08,495 Speaker 3: in fact, where was I? Oh, I was at a 487 00:27:09,175 --> 00:27:12,375 Speaker 3: sort of networking event on Friday night which was really 488 00:27:12,415 --> 00:27:16,055 Speaker 3: good and one of the guys who was presenting, actually 489 00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:18,095 Speaker 3: he probably I'll probably get him on the show in 490 00:27:18,175 --> 00:27:21,655 Speaker 3: the next sometime in the next few months. Joe Lythe 491 00:27:21,655 --> 00:27:26,855 Speaker 3: who is an architect and passive house designer and currently 492 00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:30,975 Speaker 3: now the chair of the Passive House Association for New 493 00:27:31,055 --> 00:27:33,575 Speaker 3: Zealand was talking about sort of going to a site 494 00:27:33,615 --> 00:27:36,775 Speaker 3: where people were doing insulation and you know, the installation 495 00:27:36,935 --> 00:27:39,415 Speaker 3: was poorly installed. There were gaps and cracks and you 496 00:27:39,415 --> 00:27:42,215 Speaker 3: could see that they hadn't that either you know, cut 497 00:27:42,255 --> 00:27:45,655 Speaker 3: a piece of insulation too short or too narrow, put 498 00:27:45,695 --> 00:27:48,095 Speaker 3: it in and left a gap on the side. Those 499 00:27:48,135 --> 00:27:51,815 Speaker 3: sorts of you know, poorly installed insulation is not terribly effective. 500 00:27:51,855 --> 00:27:53,295 Speaker 3: If you're going to do it, you've got to do 501 00:27:53,335 --> 00:27:55,775 Speaker 3: it well. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is 502 00:27:55,775 --> 00:27:57,495 Speaker 3: the number to call. I am going to have a 503 00:27:57,575 --> 00:28:02,335 Speaker 3: rant in a moment. Stand by squeaky door or its 504 00:28:02,295 --> 00:28:05,655 Speaker 3: squeaky floor, get the right advice from Peter Wolfgap, the 505 00:28:05,815 --> 00:28:09,855 Speaker 3: resident on us talk s b right. Oh, your opportunity 506 00:28:09,895 --> 00:28:12,935 Speaker 3: to have your say or ask a question or discuss 507 00:28:12,975 --> 00:28:14,975 Speaker 3: a product. I mean, this is one of the things. 508 00:28:15,015 --> 00:28:19,695 Speaker 3: And it's interestingly enough, it's likely to become I was 509 00:28:19,735 --> 00:28:22,415 Speaker 3: going to say, even more complicated that there may well 510 00:28:22,455 --> 00:28:25,375 Speaker 3: be more choice. So one of the things that the 511 00:28:25,975 --> 00:28:30,495 Speaker 3: new government not so new these days is it talking about, 512 00:28:30,575 --> 00:28:34,655 Speaker 3: is making it easier to import building products into the 513 00:28:34,695 --> 00:28:38,415 Speaker 3: country in terms of the compliance pathway for products that 514 00:28:38,495 --> 00:28:41,775 Speaker 3: are used and this is quite an important distinction around 515 00:28:42,975 --> 00:28:49,135 Speaker 3: a product that is used in conjunction with consented work. 516 00:28:50,295 --> 00:28:52,815 Speaker 3: So you know, there's lots of building products that you 517 00:28:52,855 --> 00:28:57,255 Speaker 3: can use, paint, sealents, et cetera, that have nothing to 518 00:28:57,295 --> 00:29:01,535 Speaker 3: do with the building consent, but there are products that 519 00:29:01,615 --> 00:29:04,855 Speaker 3: are specified for use in a building consent. So you 520 00:29:04,935 --> 00:29:08,055 Speaker 3: might find, for example, that if you're using particular type 521 00:29:08,055 --> 00:29:11,975 Speaker 3: of cladding, the architect or the architectural designer will be 522 00:29:12,055 --> 00:29:16,655 Speaker 3: quite clear about saying, this particular sealant is the sealant 523 00:29:16,695 --> 00:29:19,735 Speaker 3: to use for maybe a head flashing or a junction 524 00:29:20,135 --> 00:29:22,895 Speaker 3: or a corner flashing or something like that. And if 525 00:29:22,895 --> 00:29:25,135 Speaker 3: it's specified on the plan, that's the one that you're 526 00:29:25,135 --> 00:29:28,775 Speaker 3: supposed to use. And then typically products that are used 527 00:29:28,775 --> 00:29:32,655 Speaker 3: with building consents either have a brand's appraisal or they 528 00:29:32,735 --> 00:29:38,735 Speaker 3: have a code mark, and those two processes are relatively arduous, 529 00:29:38,815 --> 00:29:43,335 Speaker 3: and my understanding is actually quite expensive for companies to 530 00:29:43,575 --> 00:29:46,655 Speaker 3: go through. So if you've I'll stick with sealants, right. 531 00:29:47,455 --> 00:29:49,815 Speaker 3: So at the moment, if you want to sell a 532 00:29:49,975 --> 00:29:54,615 Speaker 3: sealant product onto the market and it's used in restrict 533 00:29:54,655 --> 00:29:58,575 Speaker 3: building work or within appli it's or a task that 534 00:29:58,775 --> 00:30:01,935 Speaker 3: has got a building consent attached to it, then it 535 00:30:02,015 --> 00:30:03,895 Speaker 3: must have brands, appraisal or a. 536 00:30:06,455 --> 00:30:06,655 Speaker 6: Mark. 537 00:30:09,695 --> 00:30:13,135 Speaker 3: The absurdity to some degree, and I'm a big fan 538 00:30:13,215 --> 00:30:15,495 Speaker 3: of having the right product, But you know, if you've 539 00:30:15,495 --> 00:30:19,335 Speaker 3: got a let's say, a seilant that's been manufactured in 540 00:30:19,775 --> 00:30:22,215 Speaker 3: Europe for the last fifty or sixty years, comes from 541 00:30:22,215 --> 00:30:25,975 Speaker 3: a company that does extensive research and testing, and then 542 00:30:25,975 --> 00:30:27,735 Speaker 3: we bring it into the country and we then have 543 00:30:27,815 --> 00:30:30,215 Speaker 3: to ask a local authority to go is this a 544 00:30:30,255 --> 00:30:34,175 Speaker 3: good product? You kind of go, it probably is right. 545 00:30:34,215 --> 00:30:36,655 Speaker 3: So there's going to be some work in that space. 546 00:30:38,655 --> 00:30:41,815 Speaker 3: So again my point was that you know, if there's 547 00:30:41,895 --> 00:30:45,855 Speaker 3: already a baffling array of products available for choice, if 548 00:30:46,095 --> 00:30:48,895 Speaker 3: this legislation comes through and it frees up the opportunity 549 00:30:48,935 --> 00:30:53,055 Speaker 3: for products to be imported from let's say, jurisdictions that 550 00:30:53,135 --> 00:30:56,495 Speaker 3: have a similar testing regime to our own, and they 551 00:30:56,655 --> 00:31:01,215 Speaker 3: pass compliance in that country, maybe North America, certainly Europe, 552 00:31:01,255 --> 00:31:04,455 Speaker 3: a couple of other England, you know, other places around 553 00:31:04,495 --> 00:31:10,175 Speaker 3: the world where there's specific testing that's reliable and the 554 00:31:10,175 --> 00:31:13,775 Speaker 3: product is manufactured there, then maybe those products can come 555 00:31:13,815 --> 00:31:16,095 Speaker 3: in and not have to have local testing in order 556 00:31:16,175 --> 00:31:20,095 Speaker 3: to be used in compliant works. That'll be an interesting one, right, 557 00:31:20,335 --> 00:31:22,415 Speaker 3: because you haven't called. Now I'm going to have a rant. 558 00:31:22,895 --> 00:31:25,455 Speaker 3: So I mentioned before that I was at the Resource 559 00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:28,375 Speaker 3: Recovery Center, and I off the cuff sort of mentioned 560 00:31:28,375 --> 00:31:31,175 Speaker 3: that we used to call them tips, right, We used 561 00:31:31,175 --> 00:31:33,015 Speaker 3: to go dump all out of our stuff on the 562 00:31:33,055 --> 00:31:35,615 Speaker 3: ground or in the landfill. In fact, I saw a 563 00:31:35,655 --> 00:31:38,175 Speaker 3: fantastic photo the other day on kind of one of 564 00:31:38,175 --> 00:31:40,535 Speaker 3: the social media pages that's got old photos, and it 565 00:31:40,575 --> 00:31:45,695 Speaker 3: had your typical landfill back in the nineteen seventies. And 566 00:31:45,975 --> 00:31:49,495 Speaker 3: one of my abiding memories from childhood was loading up 567 00:31:49,535 --> 00:31:52,375 Speaker 3: at home, often with green waste. We lived in pop 568 00:31:52,375 --> 00:31:55,375 Speaker 3: a toy driving out to Whitford to the tip that 569 00:31:55,495 --> 00:31:57,215 Speaker 3: was on the road out to my right eye there 570 00:31:57,215 --> 00:31:59,535 Speaker 3: in the Whitford and it was an old quarry, and 571 00:31:59,655 --> 00:32:01,255 Speaker 3: you know, I'd be in the car with Dad and 572 00:32:01,255 --> 00:32:03,535 Speaker 3: we'd just drive in there, pay a few bucks. You'd 573 00:32:03,895 --> 00:32:08,015 Speaker 3: drive into a huge tipping area revere and just throw 574 00:32:08,055 --> 00:32:10,215 Speaker 3: everything on the ground and the bulldoze are to be 575 00:32:10,375 --> 00:32:12,655 Speaker 3: running around tracking it all down, and there'd be a 576 00:32:12,695 --> 00:32:16,895 Speaker 3: whole row of you know, Vauxhaels and Holden's and Valiants 577 00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:21,255 Speaker 3: and that with homemade trailers on the back and knowing us, 578 00:32:21,575 --> 00:32:23,695 Speaker 3: we typically had a good fossic around while we were 579 00:32:23,695 --> 00:32:26,615 Speaker 3: there and typically came home not quite with as much 580 00:32:26,655 --> 00:32:28,975 Speaker 3: as we'd dropped off, but there was always some useful 581 00:32:28,975 --> 00:32:31,135 Speaker 3: bits and pieces. But you'd fossic around in the tip 582 00:32:31,175 --> 00:32:33,055 Speaker 3: site and all the rest of it. It ain't like 583 00:32:33,095 --> 00:32:37,975 Speaker 3: that anymore to some degree, but we still as a 584 00:32:37,975 --> 00:32:41,055 Speaker 3: as a country and certainly as an industry, the building 585 00:32:41,055 --> 00:32:46,935 Speaker 3: industry are shockingly wasteful. We send so much material to landfill. 586 00:32:47,055 --> 00:32:50,055 Speaker 3: So if you have a look in Auckland anyway, this 587 00:32:50,135 --> 00:32:52,695 Speaker 3: is where I know the figures about fifty percent of 588 00:32:52,735 --> 00:32:56,015 Speaker 3: the volume of material that goes to landfill comes from 589 00:32:56,055 --> 00:33:01,375 Speaker 3: the construction sector, right, so it's construction demolition waste. That's 590 00:33:01,415 --> 00:33:06,695 Speaker 3: an appalling statistic, to be blunt, fifty percent of the 591 00:33:06,815 --> 00:33:10,415 Speaker 3: volume of material going to landfill comes from construction, where 592 00:33:10,535 --> 00:33:12,695 Speaker 3: what ten twelve percent of the economy maybe even a 593 00:33:12,695 --> 00:33:15,855 Speaker 3: little bit less. So we're punching well above our weight, 594 00:33:15,935 --> 00:33:19,015 Speaker 3: and it's an appalling statistic. And there's lots and lots 595 00:33:19,015 --> 00:33:23,415 Speaker 3: of material that can be reused. Right So when I 596 00:33:23,455 --> 00:33:28,815 Speaker 3: say Resource Recovery Center, and this Texter picks up on this, 597 00:33:28,895 --> 00:33:32,655 Speaker 3: so I'll read the text resource recovery center in italics 598 00:33:33,455 --> 00:33:36,575 Speaker 3: or quote marks rather yet another example of the bullshit 599 00:33:36,655 --> 00:33:39,895 Speaker 3: woke industry that's driving this country to disaster. Did you 600 00:33:39,975 --> 00:33:42,535 Speaker 3: know that lawnmowers are now called a state maintenance or 601 00:33:42,615 --> 00:33:47,735 Speaker 3: lawn mowers are now called state maintenance executives. Okay, put 602 00:33:47,735 --> 00:33:51,855 Speaker 3: that aside. Resource recovery and resource recovery centers is not woke. 603 00:33:52,575 --> 00:33:57,415 Speaker 3: Resource recovery is really really important unless we intend to 604 00:33:57,615 --> 00:34:00,855 Speaker 3: spend all of our time trucking off perfectly good materials 605 00:34:00,855 --> 00:34:03,975 Speaker 3: to dump in somebody's valley and bury it there for 606 00:34:04,015 --> 00:34:07,935 Speaker 3: the next couple of thousand years. So the fact that 607 00:34:08,055 --> 00:34:11,015 Speaker 3: you know, when I go to the resource recovery center 608 00:34:11,135 --> 00:34:13,055 Speaker 3: and I put my timber in a pile because that 609 00:34:13,095 --> 00:34:15,135 Speaker 3: can be recovered. I put my metal in a pile 610 00:34:15,135 --> 00:34:17,815 Speaker 3: and that can be reused. And I take my plastic 611 00:34:17,855 --> 00:34:20,415 Speaker 3: and put that in the pile because that can be recycled, 612 00:34:20,455 --> 00:34:23,855 Speaker 3: whether it's pipes or soft plastics or numbers. 613 00:34:23,935 --> 00:34:24,895 Speaker 8: What is it? 614 00:34:24,935 --> 00:34:28,815 Speaker 3: One, two and five. If I take my green wastin 615 00:34:29,255 --> 00:34:31,695 Speaker 3: and that gets made into compost, or if I take 616 00:34:31,735 --> 00:34:35,735 Speaker 3: my hard fill and that gets recycled into building materials 617 00:34:35,815 --> 00:34:40,095 Speaker 3: or hard fill again, all of which gets diverted from landfill. 618 00:34:40,215 --> 00:34:42,615 Speaker 3: So I know that the Resource Recovery Center that I'm 619 00:34:42,615 --> 00:34:45,495 Speaker 3: involved with because I sit as a trustee or a 620 00:34:45,495 --> 00:34:51,255 Speaker 3: board member to administer that center, we're sending with seventy 621 00:34:51,295 --> 00:34:54,415 Speaker 3: eight percent diversion right from the material that comes in. 622 00:34:54,575 --> 00:34:58,135 Speaker 3: That's not woke. It's just being good custodians of the planet, 623 00:34:58,215 --> 00:35:01,815 Speaker 3: which I think we all should be. And it frustrates 624 00:35:01,855 --> 00:35:03,455 Speaker 3: the hell out of me to be fair when you 625 00:35:03,455 --> 00:35:05,415 Speaker 3: look at building sites and you see the amount that 626 00:35:05,535 --> 00:35:08,015 Speaker 3: is just going to waste and it doesn't need to 627 00:35:09,935 --> 00:35:13,735 Speaker 3: so at eight woke in my view, to be a 628 00:35:13,775 --> 00:35:16,975 Speaker 3: good steward of the environment, and also not to be 629 00:35:17,015 --> 00:35:21,175 Speaker 3: wasteful of a material it's easily recyclable and reusable. There 630 00:35:21,215 --> 00:35:23,055 Speaker 3: you go, right, I had my rant. Time for you 631 00:35:23,095 --> 00:35:25,095 Speaker 3: to have the go oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty 632 00:35:25,135 --> 00:35:27,255 Speaker 3: is the number to call. It is six forty seven. 633 00:35:27,535 --> 00:35:30,775 Speaker 3: Remember too, that in the next hour SOT around seven thirty, 634 00:35:30,855 --> 00:35:34,135 Speaker 3: j from Razine will be joining us, so he is 635 00:35:34,175 --> 00:35:38,095 Speaker 3: our painting expert. If you've got any specific painting questions, 636 00:35:38,375 --> 00:35:40,815 Speaker 3: feel free to text them through and I'll rattle through 637 00:35:40,855 --> 00:35:44,695 Speaker 3: those with Jay at around seven thirty this morning right 638 00:35:44,735 --> 00:35:46,735 Speaker 3: now though, time for your calls before the news. Oh 639 00:35:46,815 --> 00:35:49,615 Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Feel free to call me 640 00:35:49,775 --> 00:35:51,895 Speaker 3: right now, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 641 00:35:52,175 --> 00:35:56,055 Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right The resident 642 00:35:56,095 --> 00:35:59,415 Speaker 1: builder with Peter Wolfcat's call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, 643 00:35:59,535 --> 00:36:00,895 Speaker 1: youth talksb. 644 00:36:01,655 --> 00:36:04,015 Speaker 3: Your news talks. He'd be righty. Oh, we're talking all 645 00:36:04,055 --> 00:36:05,135 Speaker 3: things building construction. 646 00:36:05,295 --> 00:36:10,175 Speaker 11: Dave. Very good morning, Mitey take them my call, pleasure. 647 00:36:11,695 --> 00:36:16,175 Speaker 12: I'm in an old cottage down in Tokoa and I've 648 00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:18,935 Speaker 12: got to replace some of the weather boards in my house. Yep, 649 00:36:19,815 --> 00:36:23,255 Speaker 12: it's seventy something years old. I can't buy the weather 650 00:36:23,335 --> 00:36:26,255 Speaker 12: boards anymore, so I had to try, and I'm going 651 00:36:26,295 --> 00:36:28,095 Speaker 12: to have to make my own in a another story, 652 00:36:28,735 --> 00:36:30,895 Speaker 12: So I want to refit some of the weather boards 653 00:36:30,895 --> 00:36:31,735 Speaker 12: I've taken off. 654 00:36:32,135 --> 00:36:34,655 Speaker 11: Yes, And I remember. 655 00:36:34,335 --> 00:36:36,895 Speaker 12: Listening to your program a month or so ago and 656 00:36:36,935 --> 00:36:41,415 Speaker 12: we were talking about it and somebody mentioned something about screws. 657 00:36:41,495 --> 00:36:43,175 Speaker 11: Now they use some sort of screws. 658 00:36:43,375 --> 00:36:50,135 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, interesting, yes, yes, yep, so can you tell Yeah, 659 00:36:50,735 --> 00:36:52,975 Speaker 3: I was rounded. Actually some friends of ours are doing 660 00:36:53,935 --> 00:36:56,495 Speaker 3: they're doing an extension in fact, as it happens after 661 00:36:56,655 --> 00:36:59,175 Speaker 3: today's show. I've got to nip home, grab the trailer, 662 00:36:59,615 --> 00:37:02,735 Speaker 3: shoot up to a garage and pick up four hundred 663 00:37:02,815 --> 00:37:05,335 Speaker 3: linear meters of Carrie flooring that's going to go down 664 00:37:05,335 --> 00:37:09,015 Speaker 3: in their house tomorrow. Actually, so that's my job this afternoon. 665 00:37:09,135 --> 00:37:11,135 Speaker 3: But when I was I had a wand around the 666 00:37:11,255 --> 00:37:13,735 Speaker 3: site the other day and we were chatting and he said, oh, 667 00:37:13,815 --> 00:37:17,695 Speaker 3: my builder is now fixing the weatherboards with a screw. 668 00:37:18,335 --> 00:37:21,935 Speaker 3: So it's about a seventy five milli long stainless steel 669 00:37:22,015 --> 00:37:26,775 Speaker 3: screw and it's got you know, regular thread to drive 670 00:37:26,855 --> 00:37:31,095 Speaker 3: into the timber, but then the for about fifteen millimeters 671 00:37:31,095 --> 00:37:34,895 Speaker 3: down from the head, it actually has a counter thread. 672 00:37:34,975 --> 00:37:39,175 Speaker 3: So what happens is when as the screw drives through 673 00:37:39,215 --> 00:37:43,455 Speaker 3: the timber through the weatherboard, it then because you've got 674 00:37:43,855 --> 00:37:47,135 Speaker 3: the two opposing threads right, they actually draw everything together, 675 00:37:47,615 --> 00:37:51,695 Speaker 3: so you're not necessarily reliant. And the head is probably 676 00:37:52,695 --> 00:37:56,335 Speaker 3: maybe half a millimeter or so bigger than a jolt 677 00:37:56,375 --> 00:38:00,655 Speaker 3: head screw, right, So it's a little Talk's head screw, 678 00:38:01,095 --> 00:38:05,895 Speaker 3: so completely round, smooth on the outside with the driver 679 00:38:06,015 --> 00:38:09,135 Speaker 3: bit the Talks driver that fits into the inside of it. 680 00:38:10,135 --> 00:38:12,335 Speaker 3: And so I think that when it goes in, it 681 00:38:12,415 --> 00:38:15,815 Speaker 3: won't actually look that much different to a counter sun 682 00:38:15,895 --> 00:38:19,375 Speaker 3: called count a punched jolt head nail, as you would 683 00:38:19,415 --> 00:38:26,495 Speaker 3: expect to see. So no, it's just essentially a shank. 684 00:38:26,575 --> 00:38:29,895 Speaker 3: It's just a straight head, right, so from the surface 685 00:38:29,935 --> 00:38:32,095 Speaker 3: it just comes straight it does it to be fair, 686 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:33,895 Speaker 3: if you held it up next to a seventy five 687 00:38:33,935 --> 00:38:37,175 Speaker 3: mil jolt head nail, it wouldn't actually look that different. 688 00:38:38,895 --> 00:38:40,775 Speaker 11: Yeah, do you know what they're called and where to 689 00:38:40,815 --> 00:38:41,335 Speaker 11: get them from? 690 00:38:41,895 --> 00:38:43,775 Speaker 3: Well, I know that his builder has probably picked them 691 00:38:43,815 --> 00:38:46,815 Speaker 3: up from Devonport Timber. But I would say that you'll 692 00:38:46,895 --> 00:38:49,495 Speaker 3: find them almost anywhere. I'll have a quick look online 693 00:38:49,535 --> 00:38:53,095 Speaker 3: and see and the this is difficult me too. So 694 00:38:53,175 --> 00:38:55,335 Speaker 3: I was there the other night having a look at 695 00:38:55,335 --> 00:38:58,055 Speaker 3: something and I'm wandering around. There's one lying on the ground. 696 00:38:58,095 --> 00:38:59,455 Speaker 3: So I picked it up and put in a pocket, 697 00:38:59,495 --> 00:39:01,215 Speaker 3: and I've got it sitting on my desk at home. 698 00:39:03,295 --> 00:39:08,055 Speaker 11: And I'm going to need to take these weather boards on. Yeah, 699 00:39:08,255 --> 00:39:10,815 Speaker 11: I appealing, And. 700 00:39:10,895 --> 00:39:13,975 Speaker 3: Look, I actually think I can see the purpose. I 701 00:39:13,975 --> 00:39:17,295 Speaker 3: can see the usefulness of it and the fact that 702 00:39:17,375 --> 00:39:20,255 Speaker 3: it's a little bit like with roofing screws now so 703 00:39:20,415 --> 00:39:24,255 Speaker 3: roofing screw for corrugated or long run will have a 704 00:39:24,495 --> 00:39:28,815 Speaker 3: counter thread at the top which pulls the product up 705 00:39:28,855 --> 00:39:32,215 Speaker 3: against the neoprene washer and this will work the same way. 706 00:39:32,255 --> 00:39:34,335 Speaker 3: So we've got used to screwing down decking, and I 707 00:39:34,335 --> 00:39:38,055 Speaker 3: guess the next extension is to fix cladding with it. 708 00:39:38,415 --> 00:39:41,735 Speaker 3: And the project that I've got coming up, which is 709 00:39:41,815 --> 00:39:44,775 Speaker 3: to replace all of the tongue and groove decking on 710 00:39:44,815 --> 00:39:48,215 Speaker 3: a Verandah, I'm just weighing up whether or not I 711 00:39:48,255 --> 00:39:51,175 Speaker 3: will do the same thing use these because the holding 712 00:39:51,295 --> 00:39:53,695 Speaker 3: power potentially is greater. 713 00:39:53,775 --> 00:39:54,975 Speaker 11: I'm just relying on the head. 714 00:39:55,135 --> 00:39:59,415 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Look if you wander and you'll find them. 715 00:39:59,415 --> 00:40:01,895 Speaker 3: And I'll try and find a name or something like that, 716 00:40:02,015 --> 00:40:04,495 Speaker 3: or maybe signon or text me what I did. 717 00:40:04,655 --> 00:40:07,575 Speaker 12: Ask it a large retailer a few days ago and 718 00:40:07,575 --> 00:40:08,415 Speaker 12: I've never heard of it. 719 00:40:08,455 --> 00:40:10,335 Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be a blanklet. What you have to do, 720 00:40:10,415 --> 00:40:12,855 Speaker 3: This is my secret tip to going to these large 721 00:40:13,295 --> 00:40:16,495 Speaker 3: stores is you look around for the oldest person on 722 00:40:16,535 --> 00:40:19,935 Speaker 3: the team. Right, they'll know everything. 723 00:40:21,935 --> 00:40:24,855 Speaker 12: Second question, if I may, should I be putting a 724 00:40:24,935 --> 00:40:27,495 Speaker 12: ceilant in the where they lap? 725 00:40:28,495 --> 00:40:29,335 Speaker 8: Ah? 726 00:40:29,895 --> 00:40:33,135 Speaker 3: What profile weather boarder is it? Roughly? Is it just 727 00:40:33,175 --> 00:40:34,255 Speaker 3: like a square dress board. 728 00:40:35,255 --> 00:40:37,775 Speaker 11: No, it's got a miter overlap on it. 729 00:40:39,095 --> 00:40:43,695 Speaker 3: Oh okay, yes, I would either subadhesive or if you 730 00:40:43,775 --> 00:40:49,095 Speaker 3: use something like fix all, then that acts as an 731 00:40:49,135 --> 00:40:52,375 Speaker 3: adhesive and a ceilant. So if I have a moist 732 00:40:53,055 --> 00:40:56,415 Speaker 3: mighty join, I would prime, prime, and seal the edges. 733 00:40:56,735 --> 00:40:59,455 Speaker 3: Let that dry thoroughly, and then I would put a 734 00:40:59,455 --> 00:41:03,095 Speaker 3: beat of ceilant push them together. Not too tightly, because 735 00:41:03,095 --> 00:41:06,735 Speaker 3: boards will always move. I'd rather just have them neatly 736 00:41:06,775 --> 00:41:09,295 Speaker 3: butting against each other. A bead of seilant in there, 737 00:41:09,415 --> 00:41:12,335 Speaker 3: strike that off and that'll be a nice joint. Good 738 00:41:12,415 --> 00:41:14,655 Speaker 3: luck for that mate. All the mess you, Dave, take care. 739 00:41:15,535 --> 00:41:16,815 Speaker 3: And I guess the other thing I was going to 740 00:41:16,815 --> 00:41:20,895 Speaker 3: say is, you know, if he's really stuck, Typically some 741 00:41:20,975 --> 00:41:24,895 Speaker 3: guys will be able to machine exact copies of your weatherboards. 742 00:41:24,895 --> 00:41:27,655 Speaker 3: They can set up the full sider spindle molder and 743 00:41:27,695 --> 00:41:28,935 Speaker 3: do that. Back after the. 744 00:41:28,895 --> 00:41:33,335 Speaker 1: News twice, God was but maybe call Pete first for 745 00:41:33,535 --> 00:41:36,295 Speaker 1: your wolfgab the resident builder News Talk said be. 746 00:41:37,295 --> 00:41:39,095 Speaker 3: Just prior to the news, we were chatting with Dave 747 00:41:39,255 --> 00:41:42,655 Speaker 3: about the weatherboard repair job that he's got going on, 748 00:41:43,495 --> 00:41:45,535 Speaker 3: and I had happened to mention the fact that I've 749 00:41:45,575 --> 00:41:47,815 Speaker 3: been around to a mate's place who's doing a reasonable 750 00:41:47,855 --> 00:41:51,655 Speaker 3: size extension alterations to their house, and the builders they're 751 00:41:51,695 --> 00:41:55,935 Speaker 3: fixing a rusticated weatherboard, so I fairly traditional profile. We're 752 00:41:56,015 --> 00:41:59,495 Speaker 3: using screws instead of nail, so conventionally with you know, 753 00:41:59,575 --> 00:42:04,735 Speaker 3: seventy five mil jolt head galvanized bang those in job done. 754 00:42:05,535 --> 00:42:07,815 Speaker 3: And then I mentioned that they were using a screw 755 00:42:07,975 --> 00:42:10,695 Speaker 3: and we were talking about that, and the screw, funnily enough, 756 00:42:10,775 --> 00:42:13,295 Speaker 3: is called a jolt screw. So just like you have 757 00:42:13,295 --> 00:42:16,855 Speaker 3: a jolt head nail, you now have jolt screws. And 758 00:42:16,895 --> 00:42:19,495 Speaker 3: I'm just tossing up whether I'm going to use those 759 00:42:19,615 --> 00:42:22,255 Speaker 3: to fix down the tongue and groove decking, which is 760 00:42:22,295 --> 00:42:23,735 Speaker 3: going to be painted, so I've got to fill all 761 00:42:23,775 --> 00:42:26,735 Speaker 3: the holes once it's down. And I did some quick 762 00:42:26,815 --> 00:42:28,415 Speaker 3: numbers because I'm trying to figure out how much it's 763 00:42:28,455 --> 00:42:30,495 Speaker 3: all going to cost. I've got forty eight boards and 764 00:42:30,495 --> 00:42:33,295 Speaker 3: i got five rows of joists. I think from memory 765 00:42:34,415 --> 00:42:37,415 Speaker 3: it's two hundred and forty times two to two screws 766 00:42:37,455 --> 00:42:43,295 Speaker 3: per each, four hundred and eighty screws to fix down, 767 00:42:43,455 --> 00:42:45,735 Speaker 3: and I'm looking on the website. I found one manufacturer, 768 00:42:45,735 --> 00:42:49,615 Speaker 3: one supplier, so pack of five hundred and seventy dollars 769 00:42:49,735 --> 00:42:53,295 Speaker 3: ninety eight cents. It's not bad, probably worth doing. Actually, 770 00:42:53,535 --> 00:42:55,295 Speaker 3: I'll let you know how I get on. Although I 771 00:42:55,375 --> 00:42:58,855 Speaker 3: think i'll these ones are gal by the look of it. 772 00:42:58,895 --> 00:43:03,935 Speaker 3: I might go for stainless just because I can. Oh 773 00:43:03,935 --> 00:43:06,775 Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty and a couple of interesting 774 00:43:06,815 --> 00:43:10,375 Speaker 3: texts around the resource recovery and my comments and why 775 00:43:10,415 --> 00:43:13,575 Speaker 3: we rant on that For the person that said, oh, 776 00:43:13,695 --> 00:43:17,335 Speaker 3: resource recovery, it's all just woke this text quickly morning 777 00:43:17,375 --> 00:43:21,335 Speaker 3: Pete yep couldn't agree more about resource recovery. Unfortunately, some 778 00:43:21,375 --> 00:43:27,095 Speaker 3: of the knuckle draggers whose words not mine. Unfortunately, some 779 00:43:27,135 --> 00:43:30,415 Speaker 3: of the knuckle draggers literally don't have the brain needed 780 00:43:30,415 --> 00:43:33,855 Speaker 3: to process the facts. Easier to just disagree with grand 781 00:43:34,015 --> 00:43:37,655 Speaker 3: agree with Grandad and moan about any change what's always done, 782 00:43:37,695 --> 00:43:39,615 Speaker 3: to wake up and listen to your conversation about being 783 00:43:39,615 --> 00:43:42,055 Speaker 3: a good citizen, and then to translate that to woke 784 00:43:42,095 --> 00:43:43,775 Speaker 3: that I don't actually understand what woke is, but the 785 00:43:43,855 --> 00:43:45,695 Speaker 3: real angry guy at the pub shouts at a lot, 786 00:43:45,735 --> 00:43:49,375 Speaker 3: so they reckon it must mean something bad infuriates them 787 00:43:49,415 --> 00:43:51,175 Speaker 3: to the point that they insult the host when they 788 00:43:51,175 --> 00:43:51,735 Speaker 3: know you're winning. 789 00:43:51,735 --> 00:43:51,895 Speaker 10: Bro. 790 00:43:52,695 --> 00:43:55,375 Speaker 3: Oh, that's a fabulous text. Thank you very very much 791 00:43:55,415 --> 00:43:57,775 Speaker 3: for that. I'm happy to be, you know, to have 792 00:43:57,815 --> 00:44:01,495 Speaker 3: a discussion around this, but I do, and I you know, 793 00:44:01,495 --> 00:44:04,295 Speaker 3: it's an area that I've been interested in for a while. 794 00:44:04,855 --> 00:44:07,455 Speaker 3: I just think we're terribly waste and I'm talking about 795 00:44:07,535 --> 00:44:11,735 Speaker 3: you know, builders and construction. I think just shockingly wasteful. Right. 796 00:44:12,735 --> 00:44:15,095 Speaker 3: And I was sitting in the traffic a couple of 797 00:44:15,095 --> 00:44:17,495 Speaker 3: months ago, and you know, because I do this work, 798 00:44:17,735 --> 00:44:21,055 Speaker 3: I am involved with the Resources Recovery Center in Devonport. 799 00:44:23,095 --> 00:44:25,615 Speaker 3: That I'm sitting there, and there was there was another 800 00:44:25,735 --> 00:44:28,255 Speaker 3: trade next to me in the traffic with a cage 801 00:44:28,295 --> 00:44:31,495 Speaker 3: trailer full to the brim of material from building site. 802 00:44:32,055 --> 00:44:34,575 Speaker 3: And I kind of I figured out that where he 803 00:44:34,735 --> 00:44:38,815 Speaker 3: was going was essentially a transfer station. It's nothing necessarily 804 00:44:38,815 --> 00:44:41,815 Speaker 3: wrong with that. But I looked at all that material 805 00:44:41,815 --> 00:44:43,655 Speaker 3: in the trailer and I thought, Ah, there's some timber, 806 00:44:43,695 --> 00:44:46,575 Speaker 3: there's some cardboard, there's some old plaster board, all of 807 00:44:46,615 --> 00:44:50,055 Speaker 3: which could be diverted from landfill. Why the hell aren't 808 00:44:50,055 --> 00:44:52,975 Speaker 3: you doing it. I was, apart from sitting in the 809 00:44:52,975 --> 00:44:56,175 Speaker 3: traffic which makes everybody angry. That doubly made me angry. 810 00:44:56,375 --> 00:44:58,495 Speaker 3: I waite hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 811 00:44:58,535 --> 00:45:00,655 Speaker 3: to call before I have another rant. And remember, at 812 00:45:00,695 --> 00:45:04,015 Speaker 3: around seven thirty this morning, we'll grab Jay from Razine. 813 00:45:04,775 --> 00:45:07,615 Speaker 3: And I asked a all my questions when he called 814 00:45:07,615 --> 00:45:10,815 Speaker 3: me on Friday, So it's your turn to ask painting 815 00:45:10,895 --> 00:45:13,895 Speaker 3: questions of Jay from Razime. We'll do that at around 816 00:45:13,895 --> 00:45:16,575 Speaker 3: seven thirty. Just send them through on the text nine 817 00:45:16,615 --> 00:45:20,015 Speaker 3: to nine two Peter, good morning and welcome. 818 00:45:21,295 --> 00:45:22,695 Speaker 13: Thank you, Pet and friends. 819 00:45:22,735 --> 00:45:25,415 Speaker 14: You I missed your rand unfortunately. 820 00:45:24,815 --> 00:45:29,015 Speaker 3: But it was pretty mild. To be fair, that text, though, 821 00:45:29,135 --> 00:45:32,775 Speaker 3: was a perla that was fantastic, Right, how can we help? 822 00:45:32,815 --> 00:45:33,575 Speaker 3: What's up? What's up? 823 00:45:35,015 --> 00:45:39,215 Speaker 14: I was gonna say here, old house with faded powder 824 00:45:39,335 --> 00:45:46,055 Speaker 14: coated joinery and urban mess has said that there's some 825 00:45:46,335 --> 00:45:49,815 Speaker 14: methods that you used to use, some sort of cutting 826 00:45:49,815 --> 00:45:52,775 Speaker 14: compound or the light to actually restore it. Have you 827 00:45:52,775 --> 00:45:53,735 Speaker 14: had an experience in that? 828 00:45:54,735 --> 00:45:57,455 Speaker 3: My experience has pretty much been that I'd hand it 829 00:45:57,495 --> 00:46:01,935 Speaker 3: over to the professionals. Right, And so a little while 830 00:46:01,975 --> 00:46:05,695 Speaker 3: ago I went and had a chat with In fact, 831 00:46:05,695 --> 00:46:09,215 Speaker 3: he's going to join next week. Briefly, Daniel from Nanoclear. 832 00:46:09,295 --> 00:46:12,135 Speaker 3: So nanoclears around the country and I've seen what they do. 833 00:46:12,255 --> 00:46:15,695 Speaker 3: So if you imagine you're staring at your old aluminium 834 00:46:15,735 --> 00:46:19,415 Speaker 3: joinery at the moment, take the beads out, take the 835 00:46:19,455 --> 00:46:24,215 Speaker 3: glass out. In some cases, prep the area properly, apply 836 00:46:25,615 --> 00:46:28,855 Speaker 3: a proper coating, so recolor the joinery to what you want, 837 00:46:29,175 --> 00:46:31,735 Speaker 3: apply a clear coat over the top of that that 838 00:46:31,815 --> 00:46:35,815 Speaker 3: will protect it, replace the rubbers if need be, and 839 00:46:35,895 --> 00:46:41,015 Speaker 3: then reinstall the glazing. So you know by comparison, and 840 00:46:41,055 --> 00:46:43,455 Speaker 3: I know I'll get text in a moment saying hey, 841 00:46:44,815 --> 00:46:47,375 Speaker 3: you know you can use a rubbing compound. You can 842 00:46:47,455 --> 00:46:49,215 Speaker 3: use that, this, that and the other thing. Yeah, you 843 00:46:49,295 --> 00:46:52,295 Speaker 3: probably can, and you'll get a slightly better appearance than 844 00:46:52,335 --> 00:46:54,215 Speaker 3: what you've got now. But I think in terms of 845 00:46:54,775 --> 00:46:57,735 Speaker 3: actually getting a really professional job, I would I would 846 00:46:57,735 --> 00:47:00,815 Speaker 3: get a professional applicator in and the ones that I 847 00:47:00,855 --> 00:47:04,375 Speaker 3: know a little bit about is Nanoclear, so that you know, 848 00:47:05,135 --> 00:47:08,575 Speaker 3: look at it. It's up to you, but do you 849 00:47:08,575 --> 00:47:10,735 Speaker 3: look at it as a cost or as an investment, 850 00:47:12,215 --> 00:47:14,575 Speaker 3: And if you're prepared to invest the money, then I 851 00:47:14,575 --> 00:47:17,135 Speaker 3: think getting a professional to do it probably serves you 852 00:47:17,255 --> 00:47:17,735 Speaker 3: quite well. 853 00:47:19,615 --> 00:47:20,495 Speaker 14: Thanks very much for that. 854 00:47:20,495 --> 00:47:24,335 Speaker 3: That would be my approach anyway. And you know how 855 00:47:24,695 --> 00:47:26,855 Speaker 3: I don't know what color your joinery is, but you know, 856 00:47:26,975 --> 00:47:29,855 Speaker 3: back in the seventies, eighties, nineties and that people had 857 00:47:29,855 --> 00:47:32,815 Speaker 3: a habit of going, you know, funky colors and that 858 00:47:32,935 --> 00:47:35,135 Speaker 3: sort of thing. You can get rid of all of that, 859 00:47:35,335 --> 00:47:37,975 Speaker 3: and you know, if you add that to some double glazing, 860 00:47:38,055 --> 00:47:43,095 Speaker 3: then suddenly you've got much better joinery. Excellent, All the 861 00:47:43,215 --> 00:47:48,375 Speaker 3: very best to you. Take care see. But getting quite 862 00:47:48,415 --> 00:47:52,975 Speaker 3: a few texts on the whole resource recovery, waste minimization, 863 00:47:53,255 --> 00:47:55,655 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. This is an interesting one. 864 00:47:55,815 --> 00:47:58,095 Speaker 3: Would be great if some of the leftover building materials 865 00:47:58,095 --> 00:48:02,175 Speaker 3: could be purchased by others for small projects like sheds 866 00:48:02,295 --> 00:48:06,935 Speaker 3: or sleepouts. Nikki, that's exactly what resource recovery centers do, 867 00:48:08,095 --> 00:48:11,015 Speaker 3: I think in Auckland anyway. And these are around the country, right, 868 00:48:11,935 --> 00:48:17,575 Speaker 3: so in some cases there's still like in Auckland, for example, 869 00:48:17,615 --> 00:48:23,135 Speaker 3: there is the Community Recycling Network or Community Recycling Centers CRCs, 870 00:48:23,815 --> 00:48:29,095 Speaker 3: which are independent but still effectively owned by council. I 871 00:48:29,135 --> 00:48:34,055 Speaker 3: think I'm getting this right, but run locally and locally administered, 872 00:48:34,135 --> 00:48:37,135 Speaker 3: so you can go to any number of them around 873 00:48:37,135 --> 00:48:39,535 Speaker 3: the Auckland area, and I'm sure this is across the country. 874 00:48:39,615 --> 00:48:42,055 Speaker 3: And rather than all of the material being tipped into 875 00:48:42,135 --> 00:48:44,895 Speaker 3: a hole or tipped into the back of a skip 876 00:48:44,935 --> 00:48:48,575 Speaker 3: and taken off to transfer station or directly to landfill, 877 00:48:49,455 --> 00:48:52,135 Speaker 3: the teams will go through pull out useful pieces of 878 00:48:52,175 --> 00:48:55,735 Speaker 3: timber and then they'll put those aside again. You know 879 00:48:55,895 --> 00:48:58,055 Speaker 3: my experiences. You can go in and buy timber for 880 00:48:58,055 --> 00:49:00,375 Speaker 3: a dollar a meter, right, and there'll be little bits 881 00:49:00,415 --> 00:49:03,775 Speaker 3: of or there'll be decent pieces actually of some rough 882 00:49:03,775 --> 00:49:06,895 Speaker 3: sor and six two tantalized that you can use for 883 00:49:06,935 --> 00:49:09,255 Speaker 3: a garden bed or a planter box or a bit 884 00:49:09,255 --> 00:49:13,375 Speaker 3: of garden edging or something like that. Doors, windows, hardware. 885 00:49:13,655 --> 00:49:16,055 Speaker 3: You know, all of this material is taken out of 886 00:49:16,095 --> 00:49:19,935 Speaker 3: the waste stream, so it's processed at the center, taken out, 887 00:49:19,975 --> 00:49:23,175 Speaker 3: set aside, and you can buy old palings, old doors, 888 00:49:23,335 --> 00:49:27,335 Speaker 3: old bits of framing, timber, architraves. All of these sorts 889 00:49:27,335 --> 00:49:30,375 Speaker 3: of things will be taken out once it's been delivered 890 00:49:30,415 --> 00:49:32,975 Speaker 3: to the site by you as the consumer, taken out 891 00:49:33,015 --> 00:49:36,015 Speaker 3: and made available for people. So yeah, it is actually happening. 892 00:49:36,015 --> 00:49:37,815 Speaker 3: You just got to have a look around and try 893 00:49:37,855 --> 00:49:39,935 Speaker 3: and find those places, but they are out there. Nikki, 894 00:49:39,975 --> 00:49:42,215 Speaker 3: thank you very much for your text. Someone else, just 895 00:49:42,255 --> 00:49:44,695 Speaker 3: on the same thing, what do you do with disposing 896 00:49:44,695 --> 00:49:48,055 Speaker 3: of old plasterboard. You're calling it jib, which is fair enough, 897 00:49:48,055 --> 00:49:52,895 Speaker 3: but plasterboard is kind of the generic term. There's a 898 00:49:52,895 --> 00:49:58,575 Speaker 3: couple of processes. There's a company that there's two processes. Basically, 899 00:49:58,655 --> 00:50:02,655 Speaker 3: one is essentially just collect it, tip it into the 900 00:50:02,695 --> 00:50:05,495 Speaker 3: ground and cover it and leave it for about a 901 00:50:05,575 --> 00:50:08,415 Speaker 3: year or so and then uncover it. In that time, 902 00:50:08,535 --> 00:50:11,575 Speaker 3: all of the paper has dissolved and what you're left 903 00:50:11,615 --> 00:50:14,975 Speaker 3: with is the gypsum, which can then be recycled as 904 00:50:15,655 --> 00:50:18,895 Speaker 3: part of agriculture, is part of fertilizer. There's a slightly 905 00:50:18,935 --> 00:50:23,415 Speaker 3: more scientific process now where some of the large recycling 906 00:50:23,455 --> 00:50:26,575 Speaker 3: firms are able to I'm pretty sure that Green Gorilla 907 00:50:26,575 --> 00:50:30,095 Speaker 3: and Auckland do this. They've got essentially a large centrifuge. 908 00:50:30,495 --> 00:50:34,615 Speaker 3: So the waste plaster board is put into there, it's spun, 909 00:50:35,055 --> 00:50:37,575 Speaker 3: it spins off the paper, it leaves you with the gybsum. 910 00:50:37,655 --> 00:50:41,655 Speaker 3: The gybsum can go for processing for fertilizers and in agriculture. 911 00:50:42,015 --> 00:50:45,295 Speaker 3: It's as simple as that. You know, it's completely recoverable, 912 00:50:45,775 --> 00:50:50,815 Speaker 3: so there's to be fair. I don't actually believe in 913 00:50:50,975 --> 00:50:54,495 Speaker 3: zero waste as a concept. You know, when I'm sweeping 914 00:50:54,575 --> 00:50:56,975 Speaker 3: up the stuff that's on the floor of my workshop, 915 00:50:57,015 --> 00:50:59,655 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, for all the goodwill in the world. I 916 00:50:59,735 --> 00:51:02,855 Speaker 3: don't know who wants that or could use that for anything. 917 00:51:04,575 --> 00:51:07,495 Speaker 3: But when I went the other day with some timber, 918 00:51:07,655 --> 00:51:10,735 Speaker 3: some plaster board, some off cut metal, a little bit 919 00:51:10,775 --> 00:51:14,775 Speaker 3: of green waste, you know, some offcuts from pipework and 920 00:51:14,815 --> 00:51:18,415 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. Everything I've just listed there doesn't 921 00:51:18,455 --> 00:51:21,015 Speaker 3: have to go to landfill. You just need to take 922 00:51:21,055 --> 00:51:22,895 Speaker 3: it somewhere where they're going to look after it. Oh, 923 00:51:22,935 --> 00:51:25,215 Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 924 00:51:25,775 --> 00:51:31,135 Speaker 3: Quite a few texts too on the venting, so we'll 925 00:51:31,135 --> 00:51:32,775 Speaker 3: come to that in the moment, but right now your 926 00:51:32,815 --> 00:51:36,055 Speaker 3: opportunity to have your say, eight hundred eighty ten eighty 927 00:51:36,615 --> 00:51:38,295 Speaker 3: is the number to call back in a. 928 00:51:38,295 --> 00:51:40,415 Speaker 6: Moment doing other house extorting. 929 00:51:40,495 --> 00:51:43,495 Speaker 1: The garden asked Pete for a hand the resident builder 930 00:51:43,615 --> 00:51:47,575 Speaker 1: with Peter Wolfcap call eighty eight us dogs V. 931 00:51:49,495 --> 00:51:53,055 Speaker 3: I got to say, y, I just despair, right, So 932 00:51:53,095 --> 00:51:56,175 Speaker 3: I get this text Pete. One reason people just dump 933 00:51:56,215 --> 00:51:58,495 Speaker 3: everything is because the people at work at the recycling 934 00:51:58,535 --> 00:52:01,255 Speaker 3: centers are usually not pleasant to deal with. They usually 935 00:52:01,295 --> 00:52:07,055 Speaker 3: just grunt and point at the christ Church sites. I 936 00:52:07,655 --> 00:52:10,655 Speaker 3: really do to spare it that text. So you know 937 00:52:10,815 --> 00:52:13,135 Speaker 3: the person whose job it is to fossic through your rubbish, 938 00:52:13,175 --> 00:52:15,655 Speaker 3: you're complaining that maybe they're not the most pleasant person 939 00:52:15,695 --> 00:52:18,335 Speaker 3: to deal with when you do the bloody job. Then oh, 940 00:52:18,375 --> 00:52:20,695 Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 941 00:52:20,735 --> 00:52:23,415 Speaker 3: It's twenty minutes after seven. If you've got a question 942 00:52:23,455 --> 00:52:25,575 Speaker 3: about a building nature, of any building nature, you can 943 00:52:25,615 --> 00:52:28,575 Speaker 3: call us. Now remember too, about ten minutes away from 944 00:52:28,655 --> 00:52:32,615 Speaker 3: j from Razim joining us. Any specific painting questions are 945 00:52:32,655 --> 00:52:34,375 Speaker 3: the texts that came in. I'm wanting to build a 946 00:52:34,495 --> 00:52:40,935 Speaker 3: luvered purglar goola outside on my deck against my boundary fence, 947 00:52:40,975 --> 00:52:44,455 Speaker 3: as I understand it my local council rules. As I 948 00:52:44,535 --> 00:52:47,575 Speaker 3: understand my local council rules, I'll need a resource consent 949 00:52:48,935 --> 00:52:53,015 Speaker 3: building two different things so close to the boundary, considering 950 00:52:53,015 --> 00:52:55,815 Speaker 3: it's easily dismantled structure. Should I just make sure my 951 00:52:55,855 --> 00:52:59,415 Speaker 3: neighbors are harry happy and not tell the council. Of course, 952 00:52:59,415 --> 00:53:02,615 Speaker 3: you're entitled to do that well, you're not entitled, but 953 00:53:02,655 --> 00:53:05,015 Speaker 3: you could try and do that. So typically the things 954 00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:08,775 Speaker 3: that would trigger possibly a resource consent, but most definitely 955 00:53:08,855 --> 00:53:12,255 Speaker 3: a building consent is the proximity to the boundary and 956 00:53:12,335 --> 00:53:14,135 Speaker 3: the fact that what you're building has got a roof 957 00:53:14,175 --> 00:53:18,615 Speaker 3: on it, even if it's luvid and which might mean 958 00:53:18,615 --> 00:53:21,775 Speaker 3: that you could close it. And it's more about the 959 00:53:21,815 --> 00:53:24,895 Speaker 3: proximity to the boundary, because chances are if it's on 960 00:53:24,975 --> 00:53:27,575 Speaker 3: a deck against the boundary, the deck's already a couple 961 00:53:27,615 --> 00:53:30,775 Speaker 3: of one hundred mil off the ground. Add a two 962 00:53:30,815 --> 00:53:33,655 Speaker 3: point two to two point four structure to that, you'd 963 00:53:33,695 --> 00:53:36,575 Speaker 3: be getting pretty close to heightened relation to boundary and 964 00:53:36,615 --> 00:53:39,295 Speaker 3: the proximity to the boundary. So typically you're allowed to 965 00:53:39,335 --> 00:53:43,735 Speaker 3: build structures that if they fell over, wouldn't fall onto 966 00:53:43,775 --> 00:53:47,055 Speaker 3: the neighbors. Kind Of my really simple interpretation of the 967 00:53:47,135 --> 00:53:50,655 Speaker 3: legislation around planning rules that if it falls over, it's 968 00:53:50,655 --> 00:53:52,615 Speaker 3: ownly going to land on your property. If it's right 969 00:53:52,655 --> 00:53:54,775 Speaker 3: on the boundary and it's tall, that falls over, it 970 00:53:54,775 --> 00:53:57,455 Speaker 3: could land on your neighbors. So yes, I think that 971 00:53:57,895 --> 00:54:02,015 Speaker 3: what you are proposing would probably need a building consent. 972 00:54:02,095 --> 00:54:06,135 Speaker 3: It may not need a resource consent unless you're in 973 00:54:06,135 --> 00:54:09,335 Speaker 3: a heritage zone or something like that, or your exceeding 974 00:54:10,135 --> 00:54:14,695 Speaker 3: site coverage. But generally I think it'll certainly require a 975 00:54:14,695 --> 00:54:17,615 Speaker 3: building consent. Another text that came through is there a 976 00:54:17,655 --> 00:54:21,975 Speaker 3: requirement to have a turning area down a drive to 977 00:54:22,095 --> 00:54:22,895 Speaker 3: a back section. 978 00:54:25,495 --> 00:54:25,695 Speaker 11: Yeah. 979 00:54:25,735 --> 00:54:28,855 Speaker 3: Typically all of the consents that I've seen for sort 980 00:54:28,855 --> 00:54:32,135 Speaker 3: of subdivisions. Let's say where there's been one house and 981 00:54:32,175 --> 00:54:36,415 Speaker 3: there's now three, or sections are being combined and there's 982 00:54:36,455 --> 00:54:39,455 Speaker 3: a right of way which gives access to a rear property. 983 00:54:40,415 --> 00:54:43,135 Speaker 3: If there's parking, there will need to be the provision 984 00:54:43,135 --> 00:54:45,615 Speaker 3: for the vehicle to get into the garage and then 985 00:54:45,695 --> 00:54:49,255 Speaker 3: be able to reverse out and drive out onto the 986 00:54:49,335 --> 00:54:54,215 Speaker 3: road nose first. So that's typically the requirement. Some of 987 00:54:54,255 --> 00:54:58,975 Speaker 3: the turning angles are not particularly wide and in some 988 00:54:59,055 --> 00:55:01,935 Speaker 3: cases not interesting. There was on fair Go a couple 989 00:55:01,975 --> 00:55:03,935 Speaker 3: of years ago where someone bought a property down a 990 00:55:04,015 --> 00:55:07,175 Speaker 3: right of way had a garage turning area, but they 991 00:55:07,215 --> 00:55:10,415 Speaker 3: found that their car physically wouldn't be able to fit 992 00:55:10,455 --> 00:55:14,855 Speaker 3: in or turn around. So planners work on a sort 993 00:55:14,895 --> 00:55:17,855 Speaker 3: of I think it's like a ninety percent of vehicles 994 00:55:17,855 --> 00:55:22,815 Speaker 3: are likely to fit in here type rule. But yeah, generally, 995 00:55:23,255 --> 00:55:25,495 Speaker 3: if you've got a right of way that gives access 996 00:55:25,535 --> 00:55:28,455 Speaker 3: to a rear property, there needs to be provision for 997 00:55:28,535 --> 00:55:31,175 Speaker 3: the car to reverse out of the garage or parking 998 00:55:31,215 --> 00:55:35,335 Speaker 3: area and drive out forwards, not having to reverse down 999 00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:37,615 Speaker 3: a long right of way. In some cases you can 1000 00:55:37,655 --> 00:55:41,575 Speaker 3: achieve that by having a turntable, but they are a 1001 00:55:41,615 --> 00:55:44,215 Speaker 3: little bit uncommon in most subdivisions to be fair. But 1002 00:55:44,215 --> 00:55:47,495 Speaker 3: thanks very much for the question, Carol, great question from you. 1003 00:55:47,535 --> 00:55:48,375 Speaker 3: How are you this morning? 1004 00:55:49,615 --> 00:55:52,295 Speaker 8: Well, I'm always happy on a Sunday. I like your 1005 00:55:52,295 --> 00:55:55,535 Speaker 8: program in the car. I think program. Well, I didn't 1006 00:55:55,615 --> 00:56:02,175 Speaker 8: want to phone in, but it may help somebody. How 1007 00:56:02,215 --> 00:56:08,055 Speaker 8: would you suggest a p before you pay the painter 1008 00:56:08,135 --> 00:56:13,135 Speaker 8: and decorator. It's the final payment and it's completed the painting. 1009 00:56:13,855 --> 00:56:16,055 Speaker 8: You know job that you have, How would you know. 1010 00:56:16,055 --> 00:56:20,215 Speaker 3: That it's a good job. It's a great question. 1011 00:56:21,575 --> 00:56:24,255 Speaker 15: I know the answer, but understand Okay. 1012 00:56:26,775 --> 00:56:29,975 Speaker 3: I guess if you feel that you don't have the experience, 1013 00:56:31,735 --> 00:56:34,815 Speaker 3: then I guess there's two avenues. One is if the 1014 00:56:34,855 --> 00:56:38,015 Speaker 3: person happens to be a member of, for example, the 1015 00:56:38,095 --> 00:56:42,535 Speaker 3: Master Painters Association, you could ask the Master Painters to 1016 00:56:42,575 --> 00:56:46,975 Speaker 3: send out a representative to assess effectively their members work. 1017 00:56:47,095 --> 00:56:50,215 Speaker 3: That would be one way of doing it. If the 1018 00:56:50,255 --> 00:56:54,255 Speaker 3: painter has used a particular brand of paint, you could 1019 00:56:54,335 --> 00:56:58,375 Speaker 3: then ask a representative from that company to come and 1020 00:56:58,415 --> 00:57:00,455 Speaker 3: do it and to be fair. And I'm happy to 1021 00:57:00,495 --> 00:57:03,655 Speaker 3: ask Jay this. I know when we've spoken, he will 1022 00:57:03,655 --> 00:57:06,215 Speaker 3: often be asked to go and have a look at 1023 00:57:06,455 --> 00:57:09,095 Speaker 3: at a paint finish. You know, the painter has done 1024 00:57:09,095 --> 00:57:12,255 Speaker 3: a job, they've used Razine paints, maybe the client's not 1025 00:57:12,335 --> 00:57:15,975 Speaker 3: happy with it, and so they'll ring Razine and one 1026 00:57:16,015 --> 00:57:18,935 Speaker 3: of their reps. And it's the same with Bryce. He 1027 00:57:18,975 --> 00:57:21,215 Speaker 3: will often end up saying, look, I had to go 1028 00:57:21,255 --> 00:57:23,975 Speaker 3: and look at a job where you know, maybe someone's 1029 00:57:24,375 --> 00:57:27,255 Speaker 3: maybe someone's a client like yourself, is not happy. And 1030 00:57:27,295 --> 00:57:31,135 Speaker 3: the painter says, well, it's the paint's problem. And you know, 1031 00:57:31,215 --> 00:57:34,095 Speaker 3: maybe the rep from the company goes out looks it 1032 00:57:34,095 --> 00:57:36,335 Speaker 3: and goes, actually, it's all about the application. It's a 1033 00:57:36,375 --> 00:57:39,855 Speaker 3: poor application, or there's bad preparation, or they haven't done 1034 00:57:39,855 --> 00:57:42,775 Speaker 3: two coats, or they haven't used the right product and 1035 00:57:42,775 --> 00:57:46,135 Speaker 3: that's why it's not good. So yeah, those, broadly speaking, 1036 00:57:46,175 --> 00:57:48,255 Speaker 3: those would be the two ways of doing it. 1037 00:57:49,055 --> 00:57:51,295 Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you a simple way and I'm quite 1038 00:57:51,335 --> 00:57:57,655 Speaker 8: concerned about the tradesmen who don't know have the job completed. 1039 00:57:58,255 --> 00:58:01,735 Speaker 8: Recommended by Razine who The painter was my son who 1040 00:58:01,975 --> 00:58:04,815 Speaker 8: did a eight thousand hour apprenticeship in the New Zealand 1041 00:58:04,935 --> 00:58:09,455 Speaker 8: Army as a painter and decorator. All he did was 1042 00:58:10,455 --> 00:58:13,615 Speaker 8: he went in. He just put the palm of his 1043 00:58:13,855 --> 00:58:18,575 Speaker 8: hand on the wall and he ran the palm of 1044 00:58:18,615 --> 00:58:22,535 Speaker 8: his hand down. He said, m'am, this painter and decorator 1045 00:58:22,615 --> 00:58:29,295 Speaker 8: has not done good preparation because it was all prety underneath. 1046 00:58:29,455 --> 00:58:33,655 Speaker 8: So he's painted because I'm my owner. He's painted here 1047 00:58:33,775 --> 00:58:34,095 Speaker 8: for me. 1048 00:58:34,735 --> 00:58:36,615 Speaker 11: Oh you want to run. 1049 00:58:36,575 --> 00:58:41,735 Speaker 8: Your hand down the paintmentish? Now it's a smooth that's 1050 00:58:41,815 --> 00:58:42,895 Speaker 8: the way to do it. 1051 00:58:42,975 --> 00:58:44,695 Speaker 3: Can I Can I be a bit cheeky and ask 1052 00:58:44,975 --> 00:58:48,215 Speaker 3: if your son's an eight thousand hour qualified painter and decorator, 1053 00:58:48,215 --> 00:58:49,855 Speaker 3: how come he didn't do it in the first place. 1054 00:58:50,975 --> 00:58:52,255 Speaker 8: Well, there were reasons. 1055 00:58:52,255 --> 00:58:53,735 Speaker 11: He was in Auckland. 1056 00:58:54,735 --> 00:58:57,775 Speaker 8: I really don't like mixing business. 1057 00:58:57,815 --> 00:58:59,415 Speaker 15: I'm not joking with family. 1058 00:59:00,295 --> 00:59:03,575 Speaker 8: It's quicker for me as to get the painter and 1059 00:59:03,575 --> 00:59:06,615 Speaker 8: decorator and he goes home for the day. But I 1060 00:59:06,775 --> 00:59:09,455 Speaker 8: certainly do anything for me. They stay for a weekend 1061 00:59:09,455 --> 00:59:11,175 Speaker 8: across me a fortune to people. 1062 00:59:15,735 --> 00:59:16,415 Speaker 11: The old lady. 1063 00:59:17,175 --> 00:59:22,895 Speaker 3: No, no, I think it's delightful to be fair. But yeah, 1064 00:59:22,895 --> 00:59:25,495 Speaker 3: look in terms of you know, to answer your question, 1065 00:59:25,615 --> 00:59:28,535 Speaker 3: I think that if you if you're you're concerned about 1066 00:59:28,535 --> 00:59:32,335 Speaker 3: the quality of the work done, didn't know, then then 1067 00:59:32,455 --> 00:59:35,535 Speaker 3: if someone is a master painter or they're part of 1068 00:59:35,535 --> 00:59:38,255 Speaker 3: that group, you could get one of you or get 1069 00:59:38,255 --> 00:59:41,135 Speaker 3: a rep from the company. That's a great question. 1070 00:59:42,175 --> 00:59:46,095 Speaker 8: That's the point before you pay the final payment. I'm 1071 00:59:46,135 --> 00:59:49,775 Speaker 8: saying anyone out there on their own light men to 1072 00:59:49,815 --> 00:59:55,135 Speaker 8: get someone and just to give you a final And look, you. 1073 00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:58,455 Speaker 3: Know, I've deliberately stayed away from saying, you know, get 1074 00:59:58,495 --> 01:00:02,255 Speaker 3: another painter to check the work, because it's hard for people. 1075 01:00:02,535 --> 01:00:05,455 Speaker 3: I think it's hard for people to be impartial about 1076 01:00:05,495 --> 01:00:12,495 Speaker 3: other people's work. Right, So potential, please, how simple it was? 1077 01:00:13,015 --> 01:00:18,455 Speaker 8: He just Rainy's that's right, said the preparations good? 1078 01:00:19,055 --> 01:00:20,695 Speaker 15: It was greasy that that. 1079 01:00:21,935 --> 01:00:24,655 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, good point. Appreciate the call, Carol. You have 1080 01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:28,495 Speaker 3: a great day to take care of them, Zia. Actually 1081 01:00:28,535 --> 01:00:31,855 Speaker 3: great texts coming through two round extraction ventilation. We'll have 1082 01:00:31,855 --> 01:00:34,135 Speaker 3: a look at that, right, we might well take a 1083 01:00:34,175 --> 01:00:36,815 Speaker 3: short break we've got Jay waiting. We're going to rattle 1084 01:00:36,855 --> 01:00:39,055 Speaker 3: through your texts. Still time for a couple more texts 1085 01:00:39,095 --> 01:00:43,175 Speaker 3: on nine two nine two, so zbzb from your mobile phone. 1086 01:00:43,455 --> 01:00:46,455 Speaker 3: Any of you painting specific painting questions, Jay will join 1087 01:00:46,535 --> 01:00:47,255 Speaker 3: us in just a. 1088 01:00:47,295 --> 01:00:50,135 Speaker 1: Moment, whether you're painting with ceiling, fixing with fens, or 1089 01:00:50,215 --> 01:00:52,175 Speaker 1: wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. 1090 01:00:52,255 --> 01:00:53,935 Speaker 3: Give Peter wolf Gabber call on. 1091 01:00:55,455 --> 01:00:57,975 Speaker 1: Eighty the resident builder on news Dogs B. 1092 01:00:58,455 --> 01:01:00,255 Speaker 3: Indeed you were with news Talk, said beat as seven 1093 01:01:00,375 --> 01:01:02,935 Speaker 3: thirty two and this is my great pleasure as always 1094 01:01:02,975 --> 01:01:07,735 Speaker 3: to welcome to the program, Jay from Razine. How you doing, Jay, I'm. 1095 01:01:07,535 --> 01:01:08,455 Speaker 16: All good, mat How are you? 1096 01:01:08,535 --> 01:01:08,735 Speaker 8: Yeah? 1097 01:01:08,775 --> 01:01:11,135 Speaker 3: Not too chevy? Not too chevy? And can we just 1098 01:01:11,175 --> 01:01:15,575 Speaker 3: pick up on that last caller actually who said, Look, 1099 01:01:15,575 --> 01:01:17,575 Speaker 3: how do I know if I've got a good paint job? 1100 01:01:17,655 --> 01:01:20,335 Speaker 3: So you know, let's say you're a client and you 1101 01:01:20,455 --> 01:01:23,495 Speaker 3: engage a painter and they come and do a job, 1102 01:01:23,615 --> 01:01:26,015 Speaker 3: and you're about to sign you know, the check for 1103 01:01:26,055 --> 01:01:29,135 Speaker 3: the last payment, and you're kind of wondering, is it 1104 01:01:29,255 --> 01:01:31,535 Speaker 3: any good like? Have they done a good job? What 1105 01:01:31,535 --> 01:01:32,935 Speaker 3: would what would your advice be? 1106 01:01:34,775 --> 01:01:41,735 Speaker 16: Look at it? Usually if if the if the paint 1107 01:01:41,815 --> 01:01:44,695 Speaker 16: looking a bit see through, or you're concerned about the coverage, 1108 01:01:44,735 --> 01:01:48,935 Speaker 16: it usually needs a bit more paint. Yes, So if 1109 01:01:49,215 --> 01:01:52,735 Speaker 16: things are looking a little bit light in areas, then 1110 01:01:52,895 --> 01:01:55,735 Speaker 16: potentially it might just need another another coat on there. 1111 01:01:56,135 --> 01:02:01,095 Speaker 16: And there are things that go with that critical like 1112 01:02:01,255 --> 01:02:04,335 Speaker 16: in cause an issue with things looking like it needs 1113 01:02:04,375 --> 01:02:06,255 Speaker 16: more paint, But it's really the design of the bill, 1114 01:02:06,735 --> 01:02:08,935 Speaker 16: or the time of the day with the light coming 1115 01:02:08,935 --> 01:02:13,335 Speaker 16: through windows or shining down stairwells. 1116 01:02:13,935 --> 01:02:14,335 Speaker 3: Yes. 1117 01:02:14,775 --> 01:02:18,775 Speaker 16: Or if it's a textured surface, it can look like 1118 01:02:18,815 --> 01:02:21,895 Speaker 16: there's not enough paint on there, when in fact there's plenty. 1119 01:02:22,095 --> 01:02:25,495 Speaker 16: It's just a texture. But I said, generally, if it 1120 01:02:25,535 --> 01:02:28,335 Speaker 16: looks a little bit thin and you're a bit concerned, 1121 01:02:28,455 --> 01:02:31,015 Speaker 16: speak about in and I'll generally put another coat on. 1122 01:02:31,375 --> 01:02:36,175 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, awesome, that's great. So we've got a bunch 1123 01:02:36,215 --> 01:02:40,775 Speaker 3: of texts to rip through, so in no particular order. 1124 01:02:41,815 --> 01:02:43,855 Speaker 3: That's an interesting one. The text is very brief. My 1125 01:02:43,935 --> 01:02:45,855 Speaker 3: deck doesn't get a lot of sun. Do I need 1126 01:02:45,895 --> 01:02:46,575 Speaker 3: to stay. 1127 01:02:50,055 --> 01:02:52,655 Speaker 16: Well, I'd imagine it probably needs to clean. If it's 1128 01:02:52,695 --> 01:02:54,455 Speaker 16: not getting much sun. There's like this a bit of 1129 01:02:54,535 --> 01:02:59,935 Speaker 16: moisture and potential mold and might be a little bit slippy. Generally, 1130 01:03:00,055 --> 01:03:05,855 Speaker 16: applying a stain will help with sort of mold in 1131 01:03:06,015 --> 01:03:08,775 Speaker 16: fung the end stuff sort of an algae building up 1132 01:03:08,815 --> 01:03:09,535 Speaker 16: on the surface. 1133 01:03:09,895 --> 01:03:10,135 Speaker 3: Yep. 1134 01:03:10,735 --> 01:03:14,015 Speaker 16: And it's also kind of helps protect the actual timber 1135 01:03:14,055 --> 01:03:17,975 Speaker 16: itself and help preserve it. So I would say yes, 1136 01:03:18,175 --> 01:03:20,615 Speaker 16: But again, lots of people do like that sort of 1137 01:03:20,695 --> 01:03:22,655 Speaker 16: natural silver look at the timber. 1138 01:03:23,415 --> 01:03:25,415 Speaker 3: Until they get all the mold growth and then they 1139 01:03:25,455 --> 01:03:29,455 Speaker 3: go oh okay, which leads me nicely into my next question. 1140 01:03:29,695 --> 01:03:33,575 Speaker 3: An existing Quela decking twenty years so that it's known right, well, 1141 01:03:33,655 --> 01:03:36,375 Speaker 3: it's still sound, but it is standing to crack, do 1142 01:03:36,415 --> 01:03:40,575 Speaker 3: you recommend painting for longevity? And if yes, what paint system? 1143 01:03:40,655 --> 01:03:44,935 Speaker 3: This is from Chris? Can I add maybe we should well, 1144 01:03:45,215 --> 01:03:47,855 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, you could paint it, but almost nobody 1145 01:03:47,935 --> 01:03:50,255 Speaker 3: would it. Typically with hard. 1146 01:03:50,135 --> 01:03:55,015 Speaker 16: Words you would stay yeah, I would say stain it right. Obviously, 1147 01:03:55,535 --> 01:03:59,295 Speaker 16: timber expands and contracts for a year anyway, and if 1148 01:03:59,295 --> 01:04:01,975 Speaker 16: you've got splits and cracks, they expand and contract at 1149 01:04:02,055 --> 01:04:05,255 Speaker 16: different rates. So if you paint it, chances are that 1150 01:04:05,415 --> 01:04:09,535 Speaker 16: clack's going to become pretty visible fairly quickly, especially with 1151 01:04:10,015 --> 01:04:12,455 Speaker 16: if you look at the summer we've just had in 1152 01:04:12,495 --> 01:04:14,655 Speaker 16: the rain we've sort of got yesterday. The timber will 1153 01:04:14,655 --> 01:04:18,455 Speaker 16: be moving all over the place at the moment, whereas stain, 1154 01:04:19,455 --> 01:04:22,415 Speaker 16: you're not going to see that sort of flakiness and 1155 01:04:22,495 --> 01:04:24,975 Speaker 16: break down that you get a paint around those areas. 1156 01:04:25,615 --> 01:04:27,975 Speaker 16: So if you stay in it, I think it will 1157 01:04:28,015 --> 01:04:28,455 Speaker 16: look better. 1158 01:04:28,775 --> 01:04:29,015 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1159 01:04:29,055 --> 01:04:32,055 Speaker 16: Again, it's kind of personal preference. Some people prefer the 1160 01:04:32,095 --> 01:04:35,495 Speaker 16: look of paint, I'm very much or timber stain. It 1161 01:04:35,535 --> 01:04:36,335 Speaker 16: it looks really good. 1162 01:04:37,015 --> 01:04:40,815 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and I think maintenance wise, long term, certainly 1163 01:04:40,855 --> 01:04:45,775 Speaker 3: stain is possibly more maintainable as in a thorough clean 1164 01:04:45,775 --> 01:04:50,215 Speaker 3: and a reapplication of the same system is possibly simpler 1165 01:04:50,215 --> 01:04:54,495 Speaker 3: than standing prepping, you know, top coding with a paint finish. 1166 01:04:55,175 --> 01:04:57,975 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, and obviously stained, so you have to restain 1167 01:04:58,055 --> 01:05:01,615 Speaker 16: every couple of years, every two to three summers. But 1168 01:05:02,215 --> 01:05:04,175 Speaker 16: I mean you need to really clean it every year 1169 01:05:05,215 --> 01:05:07,775 Speaker 16: so you can kind of see in judge for how 1170 01:05:07,775 --> 01:05:09,975 Speaker 16: it's looking. And just realistically, if you keep up with 1171 01:05:10,135 --> 01:05:12,735 Speaker 16: just supply another coat staying every couple of years, it 1172 01:05:12,775 --> 01:05:15,095 Speaker 16: looks good and the timber last longer. 1173 01:05:15,335 --> 01:05:18,815 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely right. Susie sent through a text good morning, 1174 01:05:18,975 --> 01:05:21,975 Speaker 3: which is nice. Is there any way to paint kitchen 1175 01:05:22,095 --> 01:05:25,855 Speaker 3: cupboards that have laminate on them, just trying to refresh 1176 01:05:26,135 --> 01:05:28,255 Speaker 3: a kitchen from Susie. 1177 01:05:28,855 --> 01:05:32,615 Speaker 16: Yeah, we've got a few different systems. I think Ze 1178 01:05:32,815 --> 01:05:36,135 Speaker 16: master Stroke has a couple of videos from a couple 1179 01:05:36,175 --> 01:05:41,455 Speaker 16: of X Block contestants doing their kitchen and another DJ 1180 01:05:41,615 --> 01:05:46,175 Speaker 16: from a different radio stations as well. 1181 01:05:44,775 --> 01:05:52,215 Speaker 3: Think is the preparation in the first coat the key 1182 01:05:52,295 --> 01:05:55,895 Speaker 3: in terms of literally the keys and keying into that surface. 1183 01:05:56,815 --> 01:05:59,215 Speaker 16: Yeah, it's the first goat. Is the sort of a 1184 01:05:59,295 --> 01:06:02,455 Speaker 16: degent coat that's going to really bind the whole system together. 1185 01:06:03,095 --> 01:06:08,295 Speaker 16: And then top coat options. There's a couple of different ones. Realistically, 1186 01:06:08,335 --> 01:06:11,735 Speaker 16: the best system you're looking at a two pot system 1187 01:06:11,935 --> 01:06:16,935 Speaker 16: just for longevity obviously, like there's a you could use 1188 01:06:17,295 --> 01:06:21,255 Speaker 16: Lusticra and a Namakrell, but with cleaning and constant use, 1189 01:06:21,855 --> 01:06:24,575 Speaker 16: it's going to lead it needs a lot more maintenance. Sure, 1190 01:06:24,735 --> 01:06:27,495 Speaker 16: so there's sort of two pot industrial coatings a little 1191 01:06:27,535 --> 01:06:31,415 Speaker 16: bit better for durability, but it obviously takes a bit 1192 01:06:31,455 --> 01:06:35,015 Speaker 16: more preparation and just a little bit more knowledge around 1193 01:06:35,095 --> 01:06:38,735 Speaker 16: mixing the product and applying it, and you need a 1194 01:06:38,735 --> 01:06:40,415 Speaker 16: bit more smell. 1195 01:06:39,815 --> 01:06:42,815 Speaker 3: Right in application. If you did go down the two 1196 01:06:42,895 --> 01:06:44,935 Speaker 3: pot and you've got a large flat surfa. It's like 1197 01:06:45,215 --> 01:06:48,415 Speaker 3: a drawer front or a door. Would you roll or brush? 1198 01:06:49,655 --> 01:06:49,855 Speaker 13: Uh? 1199 01:06:50,375 --> 01:06:53,375 Speaker 16: Generally brush? Yeah, sorry, generally you brush sort of the 1200 01:06:53,455 --> 01:06:56,655 Speaker 16: edges and stuff, but most people end up rolling it. Yeah, 1201 01:06:56,975 --> 01:07:00,375 Speaker 16: you just got to be careful. You apply the product 1202 01:07:00,455 --> 01:07:02,895 Speaker 16: and then lay it off in one direction, so it 1203 01:07:03,015 --> 01:07:05,735 Speaker 16: just helps smooth it all out. And look, look even 1204 01:07:05,895 --> 01:07:07,535 Speaker 16: in you. 1205 01:07:06,815 --> 01:07:12,135 Speaker 3: Gotcha brilliant, right Marty texts Hey, guys, question for j please. 1206 01:07:12,215 --> 01:07:15,335 Speaker 3: I have a commercial diamond deck roof, so a long 1207 01:07:15,415 --> 01:07:20,575 Speaker 3: run metal profile with extensive surface rust. Ideally I'd like 1208 01:07:20,615 --> 01:07:22,775 Speaker 3: to get a few more years out of it. Would 1209 01:07:22,775 --> 01:07:25,575 Speaker 3: there be a product to slow or stop the rusting 1210 01:07:25,735 --> 01:07:27,535 Speaker 3: process from Mardi? 1211 01:07:28,655 --> 01:07:32,135 Speaker 16: Realistically, with rust, you've got to kind of we've got 1212 01:07:32,175 --> 01:07:35,815 Speaker 16: three m RUSS removal pads to go on, sort of 1213 01:07:35,935 --> 01:07:39,055 Speaker 16: mechanical tools to stand it and remove it. Yeah, you 1214 01:07:39,175 --> 01:07:41,455 Speaker 16: really want to remove it. If you just try and 1215 01:07:41,535 --> 01:07:44,055 Speaker 16: put something over it, it's still there and it's going 1216 01:07:44,135 --> 01:07:48,575 Speaker 16: to not go anywhere, just get worse. I suppose, yes, 1217 01:07:49,175 --> 01:07:51,575 Speaker 16: So ideally you want to be removing all the rust 1218 01:07:51,655 --> 01:07:55,975 Speaker 16: before you apply anything. It depends on a lot of 1219 01:07:56,015 --> 01:07:58,175 Speaker 16: the time. With the roofs, it's just a bit of 1220 01:07:58,175 --> 01:08:01,935 Speaker 16: surface rust that you can tend to remove with like 1221 01:08:02,015 --> 01:08:05,655 Speaker 16: a three M scarm pad or a RUSS removal pad. 1222 01:08:06,815 --> 01:08:10,615 Speaker 16: We've got a couple of different products you could spot 1223 01:08:10,655 --> 01:08:16,415 Speaker 16: prime those areas with. You've got armor X ruff seeler, 1224 01:08:17,175 --> 01:08:20,775 Speaker 16: We've got GP metal primers another did one go over it? 1225 01:08:21,455 --> 01:08:25,135 Speaker 16: The best system that we tend to recommend for roofs 1226 01:08:25,215 --> 01:08:27,535 Speaker 16: in that sort of condition is, again it's back to 1227 01:08:27,615 --> 01:08:34,935 Speaker 16: industrial product, but animastic. It's two port that just ends 1228 01:08:35,015 --> 01:08:36,535 Speaker 16: up extending the life of the roof. 1229 01:08:37,015 --> 01:08:41,535 Speaker 3: Okay, that's cool in that way, but again, take. 1230 01:08:41,455 --> 01:08:44,055 Speaker 16: Take pictures into a color shop, share the staff, ask 1231 01:08:44,095 --> 01:08:44,775 Speaker 16: for some advice. 1232 01:08:45,455 --> 01:08:47,535 Speaker 3: I send you a picture of my garage roof which 1233 01:08:48,415 --> 01:08:55,215 Speaker 3: looks more red than steel. Maybe I'll flick through talking 1234 01:08:55,255 --> 01:08:58,495 Speaker 3: about painting roofs. But this is slightly different. So nineteen 1235 01:08:58,535 --> 01:09:01,215 Speaker 3: ninety six are almost thirty year old color steel or 1236 01:09:01,455 --> 01:09:04,495 Speaker 3: a coated roof, not in bad condition, but there is 1237 01:09:04,535 --> 01:09:07,175 Speaker 3: some oxidation. What's the prep? And I know there's a 1238 01:09:07,335 --> 01:09:12,175 Speaker 3: specific primer for color steel or coated products. 1239 01:09:13,055 --> 01:09:17,295 Speaker 16: So best prep is it reallys a real good clean 1240 01:09:17,335 --> 01:09:21,335 Speaker 16: to remove that oxilosation in any surface contaminants. So we've 1241 01:09:21,335 --> 01:09:23,335 Speaker 16: got razine paint prep in the house. 1242 01:09:23,495 --> 01:09:24,335 Speaker 11: Wash that. 1243 01:09:24,575 --> 01:09:27,695 Speaker 16: You know, people just get up there with the water blaster, 1244 01:09:27,775 --> 01:09:30,615 Speaker 16: but you really need to agitate the clean on the 1245 01:09:30,655 --> 01:09:35,215 Speaker 16: surface to remove that oxidization right. Then washed down and 1246 01:09:35,255 --> 01:09:38,855 Speaker 16: then yes, the primer is resin pre coated steel primer, 1247 01:09:40,095 --> 01:09:42,575 Speaker 16: which is it's sort of white in color, so more 1248 01:09:42,575 --> 01:09:45,535 Speaker 16: and more people are starting to go lighter colors, so 1249 01:09:45,575 --> 01:09:50,215 Speaker 16: it's just good to help with coverage with that, and 1250 01:09:50,255 --> 01:09:51,615 Speaker 16: then top coat summit roof. 1251 01:09:53,255 --> 01:09:55,415 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, perfect, but it's. 1252 01:09:55,295 --> 01:09:56,615 Speaker 16: Lots of roof questions at the moment. 1253 01:09:56,775 --> 01:10:00,175 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I guess too. You know, people are 1254 01:10:00,215 --> 01:10:02,455 Speaker 3: looking at a roof that's getting to the end of 1255 01:10:02,495 --> 01:10:04,455 Speaker 3: its life, thinking if I can eke it out a 1256 01:10:04,495 --> 01:10:06,855 Speaker 3: few more years. It's not a bit. 1257 01:10:07,455 --> 01:10:11,415 Speaker 16: Yeah my roofs for nineteen ninety two. Yep, it's looking 1258 01:10:11,695 --> 01:10:14,935 Speaker 16: like I get it cleaned yearly. But I'm starting to 1259 01:10:14,975 --> 01:10:17,895 Speaker 16: think about realistically it should start looking at painting it 1260 01:10:18,015 --> 01:10:19,335 Speaker 16: just so much longer. 1261 01:10:19,455 --> 01:10:19,855 Speaker 11: Yeah. 1262 01:10:19,935 --> 01:10:22,695 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess this is that classic thing around 1263 01:10:22,695 --> 01:10:27,575 Speaker 3: paint surfaces is often we wait until they've degraded and 1264 01:10:27,615 --> 01:10:30,855 Speaker 3: then we maintain them. Whereas I think what you're saying 1265 01:10:30,935 --> 01:10:33,535 Speaker 3: is that you know, you know where this is heading, right, 1266 01:10:33,575 --> 01:10:36,295 Speaker 3: we're on a particular path. Why not get ahead of 1267 01:10:36,335 --> 01:10:38,975 Speaker 3: that and before the roof or the painted surface or 1268 01:10:39,015 --> 01:10:42,015 Speaker 3: your windows and that are really in poor condition. Do 1269 01:10:42,175 --> 01:10:45,735 Speaker 3: the maintenance a little bit earlier and that will stop 1270 01:10:45,775 --> 01:10:47,495 Speaker 3: some of that long term damage. Is kind of how 1271 01:10:47,495 --> 01:10:48,295 Speaker 3: I would say that. 1272 01:10:48,375 --> 01:10:52,055 Speaker 16: Like regular cleaning and maintenance just makes everything last longer. 1273 01:10:52,535 --> 01:10:54,895 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely right. 1274 01:10:55,015 --> 01:10:55,175 Speaker 11: Oat. 1275 01:10:55,255 --> 01:10:59,375 Speaker 3: Now, fifty year old cedar vertical above a garage door 1276 01:10:59,415 --> 01:11:02,255 Speaker 3: too soft to scrape off the old paint, so they 1277 01:11:02,335 --> 01:11:05,855 Speaker 3: used a heat gun. They've got some oil based primer 1278 01:11:05,975 --> 01:11:09,735 Speaker 3: peel off in places. Question one, how do I get 1279 01:11:09,775 --> 01:11:14,095 Speaker 3: the failed primer off? In two? What new primer to use? 1280 01:11:17,655 --> 01:11:18,615 Speaker 3: Fifty year old seat? 1281 01:11:22,855 --> 01:11:26,375 Speaker 16: You might have a couple of issues if you're not careful. 1282 01:11:26,615 --> 01:11:29,895 Speaker 16: I suppose we've got a paint stripper called Sea to Sky, 1283 01:11:30,215 --> 01:11:33,815 Speaker 16: which is a gel based, water based paint stripper. 1284 01:11:34,015 --> 01:11:34,175 Speaker 11: Yep. 1285 01:11:34,655 --> 01:11:39,135 Speaker 16: It's easier to control, especially on sort of vertical surfaces 1286 01:11:39,175 --> 01:11:41,015 Speaker 16: because it's gel. It kind of sits there a bit 1287 01:11:41,015 --> 01:11:42,895 Speaker 16: more rather than a lot of paint strippers a lot 1288 01:11:42,935 --> 01:11:48,375 Speaker 16: more liquid and just run down. Yeah, anything you're going 1289 01:11:48,455 --> 01:11:51,015 Speaker 16: to kind of do is with it being fifty year 1290 01:11:51,055 --> 01:11:55,615 Speaker 16: old and really, you've got pretty high potential of you're 1291 01:11:55,615 --> 01:11:57,335 Speaker 16: going to have to be careful so you don't really 1292 01:11:57,415 --> 01:12:02,295 Speaker 16: gouge and damage to see that. Sure once you get 1293 01:12:02,335 --> 01:12:04,615 Speaker 16: it off, I mean if it's failing as well, it 1294 01:12:04,695 --> 01:12:10,615 Speaker 16: might start coming off quite easily. H Obviously, sandings hard 1295 01:12:10,655 --> 01:12:12,975 Speaker 16: because it just kind of clogs up the paper pretty quickly. 1296 01:12:14,975 --> 01:12:17,655 Speaker 16: So this kind of seed the sky to strip it, 1297 01:12:18,015 --> 01:12:21,295 Speaker 16: and then you would be using razine wood primer, an 1298 01:12:21,335 --> 01:12:22,215 Speaker 16: oil based primer. 1299 01:12:23,775 --> 01:12:26,175 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just sinking at the time. I think we 1300 01:12:26,175 --> 01:12:28,975 Speaker 3: can race through these two. Thanks for that. What product 1301 01:12:29,015 --> 01:12:31,695 Speaker 3: do we use to paint and seal the inside of 1302 01:12:31,695 --> 01:12:35,535 Speaker 3: a concrete water tank? I mean, would you have to 1303 01:12:35,575 --> 01:12:38,175 Speaker 3: go there or would you use them? Yeah? If you 1304 01:12:38,175 --> 01:12:39,495 Speaker 3: were going to paint it, what would you do? 1305 01:12:41,735 --> 01:12:41,935 Speaker 11: Well? 1306 01:12:42,255 --> 01:12:45,775 Speaker 16: Sort of none of our decorative paints. I suppose the 1307 01:12:45,855 --> 01:12:47,815 Speaker 16: water going to be held inside. 1308 01:12:47,455 --> 01:12:52,055 Speaker 3: This, I to speak, So I wonder if it's for drinking, 1309 01:12:52,215 --> 01:12:54,655 Speaker 3: use you you'd want to go for a bladder or 1310 01:12:54,695 --> 01:12:55,335 Speaker 3: something like that. 1311 01:12:55,495 --> 01:12:58,735 Speaker 16: I think, yeah, I would the same with paint in 1312 01:12:58,775 --> 01:13:02,295 Speaker 16: the outside. You've got share seal and lumbersider to sort 1313 01:13:02,295 --> 01:13:05,135 Speaker 16: of go on the outside, but generally there's so much 1314 01:13:05,175 --> 01:13:07,735 Speaker 16: moisture involved with it, the paint ends up breaking down, 1315 01:13:07,775 --> 01:13:11,455 Speaker 16: it ends up looking quite a mess. That's why most 1316 01:13:11,455 --> 01:13:13,535 Speaker 16: of them aren't painted, and you end up putting up 1317 01:13:13,575 --> 01:13:17,735 Speaker 16: screens or sort of foliage or something on the outside 1318 01:13:17,775 --> 01:13:20,295 Speaker 16: to cover it, or just leave it. I mean, you 1319 01:13:20,335 --> 01:13:24,375 Speaker 16: can paint it, but it will need maintenance, all right. 1320 01:13:25,095 --> 01:13:28,215 Speaker 3: Last one this morning morning, got an old wooden garage 1321 01:13:28,375 --> 01:13:32,575 Speaker 3: folding door. So I presume probably like a cedar, I 1322 01:13:32,615 --> 01:13:34,695 Speaker 3: would say, if it's an older one, the old paint's 1323 01:13:34,735 --> 01:13:36,775 Speaker 3: flaking off, should I scrape it down? Should I use 1324 01:13:36,815 --> 01:13:39,055 Speaker 3: an oil based undercoat and top coat, or would a 1325 01:13:39,055 --> 01:13:41,895 Speaker 3: good stain be sufficient to protect the wood. 1326 01:13:44,335 --> 01:13:44,695 Speaker 11: Stain? 1327 01:13:45,775 --> 01:13:48,455 Speaker 16: All of the razine stains are penetrating, so you need 1328 01:13:48,495 --> 01:13:53,335 Speaker 16: to remove anything that's film forming on the surface. A 1329 01:13:53,375 --> 01:13:56,015 Speaker 16: lot of the time with those garage doors, it could 1330 01:13:56,055 --> 01:13:58,855 Speaker 16: be that was stained previously and then somebody's just chucked 1331 01:13:58,855 --> 01:14:01,695 Speaker 16: a coat of paint on and it's not compatible and 1332 01:14:01,735 --> 01:14:04,655 Speaker 16: that's why it's flaking and coming off. Okay, so again 1333 01:14:04,855 --> 01:14:07,655 Speaker 16: you'd be back to kind of a paint stripper to 1334 01:14:07,695 --> 01:14:12,135 Speaker 16: remove what's on there, or depending on how the timber is, 1335 01:14:12,175 --> 01:14:15,535 Speaker 16: you could stand it. And then if everything's been removed, 1336 01:14:15,735 --> 01:14:17,935 Speaker 16: if you're going to stain it, you could stain it 1337 01:14:17,975 --> 01:14:20,975 Speaker 16: with one of the Woodsman states, or if you're going 1338 01:14:21,015 --> 01:14:23,855 Speaker 16: to paint it, you're back to Razine wood primer and 1339 01:14:23,895 --> 01:14:26,575 Speaker 16: then probably lust the crewl over the top. 1340 01:14:29,095 --> 01:14:31,255 Speaker 3: I'm gonna hold you for one more question because it's 1341 01:14:31,295 --> 01:14:35,415 Speaker 3: such a doozy morning. Can you please explain why the 1342 01:14:35,455 --> 01:14:38,175 Speaker 3: paint on our house, the timber house is cracking After 1343 01:14:38,255 --> 01:14:41,895 Speaker 3: a few months of application. We sanded, primed, and painted. 1344 01:14:42,815 --> 01:14:45,655 Speaker 3: The splitting. Crazing is an areas where the house gets 1345 01:14:45,695 --> 01:14:48,215 Speaker 3: full sun. Gee, what do you think? 1346 01:14:48,495 --> 01:14:52,615 Speaker 16: I suppose it's again. If you've got pictures, you could 1347 01:14:52,655 --> 01:14:55,855 Speaker 16: send them through or the advice line on the Razine website, 1348 01:14:55,975 --> 01:14:58,415 Speaker 16: or go in to your local shop. A lot of 1349 01:14:58,455 --> 01:15:02,855 Speaker 16: the time like that, it's back to after this summer. 1350 01:15:02,895 --> 01:15:05,495 Speaker 16: There's a lot of timber movement. If there's splits and 1351 01:15:05,535 --> 01:15:07,975 Speaker 16: cracks along the grain of the timber, it's likely to 1352 01:15:08,015 --> 01:15:10,935 Speaker 16: be the timber itself that's moving right, and that's what's 1353 01:15:10,975 --> 01:15:15,975 Speaker 16: causing the paint to crack. If it's kind of crazy cracking, 1354 01:15:17,095 --> 01:15:20,215 Speaker 16: it could be the top coat's gone over the oil 1355 01:15:20,255 --> 01:15:25,095 Speaker 16: based primer too soon, and that's kind of effect of 1356 01:15:25,175 --> 01:15:28,495 Speaker 16: the paint really, it's a couple of things. It might be, 1357 01:15:28,975 --> 01:15:31,575 Speaker 16: especially if it's only on that side with the sun. Yes, 1358 01:15:31,735 --> 01:15:34,135 Speaker 16: it could be the it was too hot at the 1359 01:15:34,175 --> 01:15:38,575 Speaker 16: time of painting and that's affected the paint as it's 1360 01:15:38,575 --> 01:15:41,015 Speaker 16: gone on. But if you take some pictures and go 1361 01:15:41,055 --> 01:15:42,455 Speaker 16: into the color shop and they might be able to 1362 01:15:42,495 --> 01:15:43,455 Speaker 16: give you a bit more advice. 1363 01:15:44,215 --> 01:15:48,735 Speaker 3: Brilliant, brilliant. Thank you Jay as always, you know you 1364 01:15:48,815 --> 01:15:50,455 Speaker 3: get a busy day, have a great day. Thank you 1365 01:15:52,335 --> 01:15:55,415 Speaker 3: and news talks. He'd be that's j from Razine Color Shops, 1366 01:15:55,455 --> 01:15:57,975 Speaker 3: and I think he's absolutely spot on there. If you 1367 01:15:57,975 --> 01:16:01,855 Speaker 3: do have a particular question like that previous texture around, 1368 01:16:01,975 --> 01:16:05,295 Speaker 3: you know, failure of the paint system within seemingly a 1369 01:16:05,295 --> 01:16:07,895 Speaker 3: couple of months, take some photographs, you know on our 1370 01:16:07,935 --> 01:16:11,175 Speaker 3: phones these days, wander on and seek a bit of 1371 01:16:11,175 --> 01:16:14,655 Speaker 3: professional advice from the team at the Razine Color Shops. Right, 1372 01:16:14,735 --> 01:16:17,935 Speaker 3: oh to seven forty seven. We're taking your calls. Eight 1373 01:16:18,015 --> 01:16:21,415 Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Someone's 1374 01:16:21,415 --> 01:16:23,895 Speaker 3: just quickly text through. Had the same problem. It was 1375 01:16:23,975 --> 01:16:27,375 Speaker 3: the wrong primer. Interesting now that may or may not 1376 01:16:27,415 --> 01:16:31,975 Speaker 3: be the case, but yeah, interesting, oh eight hundred eighty 1377 01:16:32,055 --> 01:16:34,535 Speaker 3: ten eighty the number to call. We're taking your calls 1378 01:16:34,575 --> 01:16:38,175 Speaker 3: all things building construction, and we did, as response to 1379 01:16:38,175 --> 01:16:41,615 Speaker 3: a couple of texts, talk a little bit about waste minimization. 1380 01:16:41,855 --> 01:16:44,495 Speaker 3: This is a bit of a it's going to say 1381 01:16:44,535 --> 01:16:47,815 Speaker 3: it's a buzzword. It shouldn't be. It's not a buzzword. 1382 01:16:47,895 --> 01:16:50,775 Speaker 3: This is I think this is really important, right, and 1383 01:16:51,215 --> 01:16:53,975 Speaker 3: I think going forward, one of the things that we're 1384 01:16:54,175 --> 01:16:57,655 Speaker 3: likely to see I hope actually on building consents and 1385 01:16:57,975 --> 01:17:02,975 Speaker 3: so on going forward is questions from clients or architects, 1386 01:17:03,055 --> 01:17:06,855 Speaker 3: or specifiers or project managers to contractors, how are you 1387 01:17:07,055 --> 01:17:11,375 Speaker 3: managing your waste right? Like do you have a process 1388 01:17:11,375 --> 01:17:13,495 Speaker 3: in place? Do you have a system where you go, 1389 01:17:14,095 --> 01:17:16,735 Speaker 3: you know, I collect up the cardboard boxes from all 1390 01:17:16,735 --> 01:17:19,375 Speaker 3: the light fittings and I make sure that that gets recycled. 1391 01:17:19,495 --> 01:17:22,575 Speaker 3: Or if you're a plumber, do you keep your PVC 1392 01:17:22,735 --> 01:17:27,175 Speaker 3: offcuts which are recyclable and send them somewhere for recycling 1393 01:17:27,335 --> 01:17:30,695 Speaker 3: or deliver them to a center that does recycling. You know, 1394 01:17:30,975 --> 01:17:34,935 Speaker 3: if you're doing demolition, do you try and separate out 1395 01:17:34,935 --> 01:17:37,615 Speaker 3: some of the materials and those items that can be 1396 01:17:37,695 --> 01:17:40,615 Speaker 3: recycled or repurposed? Do you send those away for that 1397 01:17:41,135 --> 01:17:46,415 Speaker 3: rather than just sending everything to landfall, which I think 1398 01:17:46,495 --> 01:17:49,615 Speaker 3: is appalling to be blunt. Oh eight hundred eighty ten 1399 01:17:49,655 --> 01:17:51,615 Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It's eleven minutes away 1400 01:17:51,615 --> 01:17:53,895 Speaker 3: from eight o'clock. Call us now, oh eight hundred eighty 1401 01:17:53,895 --> 01:17:57,295 Speaker 3: ten eighty. Squeaky door or squeaky floor? 1402 01:17:57,495 --> 01:18:00,815 Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder 1403 01:18:01,015 --> 01:18:02,135 Speaker 1: on Newstalk SB. 1404 01:18:03,175 --> 01:18:05,215 Speaker 3: Just another quick text on the painting, because I've just 1405 01:18:05,295 --> 01:18:09,455 Speaker 3: done this myself another job. Get a pigmented, sealed and 1406 01:18:09,495 --> 01:18:12,695 Speaker 3: then sanded new jib in a bathroom? Can I put 1407 01:18:12,695 --> 01:18:15,415 Speaker 3: two or three coats of mold protected top coat, like 1408 01:18:15,455 --> 01:18:17,695 Speaker 3: a low sheene on the ceilings and the walls, all 1409 01:18:17,695 --> 01:18:21,855 Speaker 3: one color from Chris. Have a look at what I 1410 01:18:21,975 --> 01:18:26,495 Speaker 3: use just last year, razine velvet, which is a water 1411 01:18:26,615 --> 01:18:32,135 Speaker 3: born enamel with It's a relatively flat product in terms 1412 01:18:32,135 --> 01:18:36,415 Speaker 3: of sheen, but it's got the durability. I think that 1413 01:18:36,575 --> 01:18:40,495 Speaker 3: sometimes using a really flat product on the walls, particularly 1414 01:18:40,535 --> 01:18:42,695 Speaker 3: in an area that gets a bit of you know, 1415 01:18:44,095 --> 01:18:48,055 Speaker 3: steam and so on in a bathroom, sheene typically gives 1416 01:18:48,055 --> 01:18:51,295 Speaker 3: you protection, right, It's more durable. So what I used 1417 01:18:51,415 --> 01:18:54,855 Speaker 3: was the velvet room velvet. It's called and it worked 1418 01:18:54,895 --> 01:18:56,935 Speaker 3: really really well on the ceiling, so maybe that's a 1419 01:18:56,975 --> 01:18:59,095 Speaker 3: better option than trying to do too much flat around 1420 01:18:59,135 --> 01:19:03,695 Speaker 3: the room. Grant Greetings, A. 1421 01:19:06,655 --> 01:19:13,615 Speaker 6: Face the team, right Corn. Sure, I've got a seepage problem, 1422 01:19:13,775 --> 01:19:18,015 Speaker 6: and it's coming from I've bought the house, so I 1423 01:19:18,055 --> 01:19:19,095 Speaker 6: know you read part of it. 1424 01:19:19,415 --> 01:19:19,615 Speaker 11: Yep. 1425 01:19:19,815 --> 01:19:22,695 Speaker 6: But I just want to know that I'm a builder, 1426 01:19:22,815 --> 01:19:26,335 Speaker 6: d Mayer. I just want to know that what I'm 1427 01:19:26,375 --> 01:19:34,415 Speaker 6: doing is I'm on the right track. So I've got 1428 01:19:34,455 --> 01:19:37,615 Speaker 6: old concrete wall wing wall at the end of the house, 1429 01:19:39,815 --> 01:19:44,095 Speaker 6: and the garage is on top yep. And down down 1430 01:19:44,135 --> 01:19:48,895 Speaker 6: the bottom con set the first floor is a bathroom 1431 01:19:49,015 --> 01:19:53,215 Speaker 6: and then on the corridor is wardrobe. 1432 01:19:54,535 --> 01:19:54,775 Speaker 11: Yep. 1433 01:19:55,575 --> 01:20:00,735 Speaker 6: Now, the water that I found seeping through came through 1434 01:20:00,775 --> 01:20:04,295 Speaker 6: the wardrobe because the bathroom is tiled floor or the 1435 01:20:04,415 --> 01:20:08,855 Speaker 6: proof got it the meat sheets. So it's not going 1436 01:20:08,935 --> 01:20:11,895 Speaker 6: to come out, That's what I'm feeling. It's not going that. 1437 01:20:11,975 --> 01:20:16,975 Speaker 6: I know behind there will be bed but I only 1438 01:20:17,055 --> 01:20:19,535 Speaker 6: can see it in the wardrobe. What I've done, I've 1439 01:20:19,535 --> 01:20:26,055 Speaker 6: gone upstairs and I've uncovered the outside of the wall 1440 01:20:28,255 --> 01:20:33,295 Speaker 6: and I've seen what I've done. Now tank and I'll 1441 01:20:33,335 --> 01:20:40,495 Speaker 6: perfect drainage against it. Everything's done what I think has 1442 01:20:40,535 --> 01:20:42,655 Speaker 6: done to the code properly. 1443 01:20:44,775 --> 01:20:46,775 Speaker 10: Just a bit of a hard life will leave the pain. 1444 01:20:47,695 --> 01:20:52,335 Speaker 3: Sure. So the block wall around the perimeter is part 1445 01:20:52,375 --> 01:20:55,055 Speaker 3: of it below ground, so it's acting as a retaining wall. 1446 01:20:56,535 --> 01:21:00,775 Speaker 6: Yes, now it's not exactly a block wall. I've done 1447 01:21:00,775 --> 01:21:03,055 Speaker 6: it with old shut I've done it with the shutters. 1448 01:21:03,455 --> 01:21:05,255 Speaker 3: Okay, so cast wall. 1449 01:21:05,415 --> 01:21:13,615 Speaker 6: Yep, it's solid cock red wall and it's underground, right 1450 01:21:13,655 --> 01:21:18,975 Speaker 6: side buried, and it's ten it's got one hundred mill 1451 01:21:19,095 --> 01:21:23,495 Speaker 6: of drainage for storrowing up against it right around the wall. 1452 01:21:25,255 --> 01:21:27,975 Speaker 6: But what what I've done it. Also on top of 1453 01:21:28,015 --> 01:21:34,975 Speaker 6: that wall is my portal a floor from the kitchen. 1454 01:21:35,735 --> 01:21:39,655 Speaker 6: It goes out three meters, it connects to the top 1455 01:21:39,695 --> 01:21:42,815 Speaker 6: of that wall and then shoots out with another fourteen 1456 01:21:43,495 --> 01:21:51,815 Speaker 6: going around the kitchen. So in my own right, because 1457 01:21:51,815 --> 01:21:56,135 Speaker 6: you put the you put your your your BBC paper 1458 01:21:56,255 --> 01:22:00,175 Speaker 6: or your black paper as you do, underneath the concrete 1459 01:22:00,375 --> 01:22:01,295 Speaker 6: and bring it up. 1460 01:22:02,055 --> 01:22:05,695 Speaker 11: Stay on. 1461 01:22:05,895 --> 01:22:09,135 Speaker 3: Just that we're going to run into the into the news. 1462 01:22:09,215 --> 01:22:13,775 Speaker 3: And just a moment, I wonder whether instead of looking 1463 01:22:13,775 --> 01:22:15,935 Speaker 3: for leaks that might be coming through the wall, I 1464 01:22:15,975 --> 01:22:19,295 Speaker 3: wonder whether you should look at flashings and junctions above 1465 01:22:19,295 --> 01:22:22,855 Speaker 3: it and see whether that's where water is coming from 1466 01:22:23,055 --> 01:22:25,895 Speaker 3: as well. You know, if you've got if you think 1467 01:22:25,935 --> 01:22:28,935 Speaker 3: the waterproofing's good, and you've got drainage coil of some 1468 01:22:29,095 --> 01:22:33,335 Speaker 3: description and it's actually draining properly, then I wonder whether 1469 01:22:33,375 --> 01:22:36,495 Speaker 3: it's a leak coming from somewhere else. So I'd spend 1470 01:22:36,495 --> 01:22:38,255 Speaker 3: my time looking at flashings back after the. 1471 01:22:38,255 --> 01:22:43,015 Speaker 1: Break, helping you get those DIY projects done right. The 1472 01:22:43,175 --> 01:22:47,335 Speaker 1: resident builder with peta Wolfcat call, oh eight eighteen, you've 1473 01:22:47,375 --> 01:22:48,935 Speaker 1: talked Zva. 1474 01:22:49,015 --> 01:22:50,735 Speaker 3: Well, a very good morning. Welcome back to the show. 1475 01:22:50,935 --> 01:22:53,855 Speaker 3: My name's pig Wolf Campus is the resident builder. On Sunday, 1476 01:22:53,895 --> 01:22:56,055 Speaker 3: we're going to change gears as we always did about 1477 01:22:56,095 --> 01:22:58,295 Speaker 3: eight thirty this morning, a red Climb Past will be 1478 01:22:58,375 --> 01:23:01,095 Speaker 3: joining us. We can talk all things gardening in the 1479 01:23:01,135 --> 01:23:04,095 Speaker 3: wonderful world of bugs from eight thirty, but right now 1480 01:23:04,135 --> 01:23:08,255 Speaker 3: we're talking building and actually just listening to the weather 1481 01:23:08,295 --> 01:23:11,295 Speaker 3: forecast for Auckland. Anyway, pretty fine day, which is good 1482 01:23:11,615 --> 01:23:13,695 Speaker 3: because I've got to race home, grab the trailer, shoot 1483 01:23:13,775 --> 01:23:18,255 Speaker 3: up to a garage and pick up four hundred meters. 1484 01:23:18,335 --> 01:23:21,455 Speaker 3: I think of Carrie Tongue grew flooring that I've been 1485 01:23:21,535 --> 01:23:24,735 Speaker 3: storing for a mate who's getting guys into lay it 1486 01:23:24,775 --> 01:23:27,935 Speaker 3: tomorrow for an extension, So right, I'm going to do that, 1487 01:23:27,975 --> 01:23:30,295 Speaker 3: and then I might fossick around in my own workshop 1488 01:23:30,375 --> 01:23:34,095 Speaker 3: and finish painting my one hundred and forty odd meters 1489 01:23:34,215 --> 01:23:37,935 Speaker 3: of tongue and groove decking that I want to prime 1490 01:23:38,015 --> 01:23:42,255 Speaker 3: before I start fixing that down. So alright, yoh, I 1491 01:23:42,295 --> 01:23:44,175 Speaker 3: hope you haven't rest for Sunday. I don't think I 1492 01:23:44,215 --> 01:23:45,975 Speaker 3: will be, but that's all right. Oh eight hundred and 1493 01:23:46,015 --> 01:23:49,615 Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty the number to call and Peter, good morning. 1494 01:23:50,455 --> 01:23:54,535 Speaker 15: Good morning, Peter, greetings, thanks for waving. You're you're welcome. 1495 01:23:54,575 --> 01:23:57,775 Speaker 15: I loved down in Moscow to some land from Dunedin. 1496 01:23:57,855 --> 01:24:01,735 Speaker 15: You've been in the house over thirty years and I 1497 01:24:01,815 --> 01:24:06,255 Speaker 15: learned in the nineties that had to use oil based 1498 01:24:06,335 --> 01:24:09,615 Speaker 15: primer on wood and then a couple of coats of 1499 01:24:09,615 --> 01:24:12,575 Speaker 15: acrylic over top of it. But the most I could 1500 01:24:12,615 --> 01:24:14,455 Speaker 15: get out of it was about eight to ten years 1501 01:24:14,495 --> 01:24:18,255 Speaker 15: before it would start to deteriorate. And only what I've 1502 01:24:18,295 --> 01:24:21,975 Speaker 15: got is on facial boards and Dutch gables. Everything else, 1503 01:24:22,055 --> 01:24:28,455 Speaker 15: the block work, the facial boards, particularly on this on 1504 01:24:28,935 --> 01:24:33,135 Speaker 15: the garage which was close to a neighbor's hawthorn hedge. 1505 01:24:33,535 --> 01:24:37,655 Speaker 15: The timber would start to split a weave at lengthways 1506 01:24:37,935 --> 01:24:40,775 Speaker 15: well the paint. The paint would appear to have cracks 1507 01:24:40,775 --> 01:24:42,455 Speaker 15: in it, but I think it was a timber moving. 1508 01:24:43,615 --> 01:24:47,495 Speaker 15: And about two years ago I had some I've grabbed 1509 01:24:47,535 --> 01:24:51,255 Speaker 15: some leftover linear board that I had from an extension 1510 01:24:51,335 --> 01:24:55,335 Speaker 15: down about eight years earlier. I had kept in another 1511 01:24:55,415 --> 01:24:59,415 Speaker 15: garage out of the weather, and I took the flashing 1512 01:24:59,415 --> 01:25:03,575 Speaker 15: off the Dutch gable and put this linear board up 1513 01:25:03,615 --> 01:25:06,495 Speaker 15: instead of the two hundred milimeter timber. I do not 1514 01:25:06,535 --> 01:25:08,415 Speaker 15: think the linear board might have been one eighty. But 1515 01:25:08,455 --> 01:25:11,575 Speaker 15: at the medicals are flashing cover cover the gap at 1516 01:25:11,615 --> 01:25:15,855 Speaker 15: the top, and it seems perfect. And I'm wondering what 1517 01:25:15,895 --> 01:25:18,095 Speaker 15: your thoughts are on it because the rest of the 1518 01:25:18,135 --> 01:25:21,295 Speaker 15: spature that holds the spouting where the horse on headge was, 1519 01:25:21,335 --> 01:25:27,415 Speaker 15: there's been borer and it needs replace. 1520 01:25:28,015 --> 01:25:30,975 Speaker 3: I'm just thinking, typically, if we're installing facia, we've got 1521 01:25:30,975 --> 01:25:33,895 Speaker 3: a safite, right, So do you have a safita at all. 1522 01:25:35,095 --> 01:25:39,255 Speaker 15: On the back of the garage. It's not right the frontiers. 1523 01:25:39,455 --> 01:25:43,495 Speaker 15: It's a block rough car coated garage. 1524 01:25:43,975 --> 01:25:45,655 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. Now I'm just thinking. You know, 1525 01:25:45,695 --> 01:25:48,455 Speaker 3: like in most applications, you'd have a facier board that's 1526 01:25:48,495 --> 01:25:50,895 Speaker 3: outboard of the framing, and then you'll have a bit 1527 01:25:50,895 --> 01:25:53,495 Speaker 3: of safita And typically facial board's got a groove in 1528 01:25:53,535 --> 01:25:56,215 Speaker 3: it that allows you to drop the safita in and 1529 01:25:56,295 --> 01:25:58,695 Speaker 3: the linear might not. And I guess the other thing 1530 01:25:58,735 --> 01:26:01,975 Speaker 3: is linear is only up to four point eight meters, 1531 01:26:01,975 --> 01:26:04,415 Speaker 3: so if you've got you know, five meter gable, you've 1532 01:26:04,415 --> 01:26:06,175 Speaker 3: got to join, which you might not get if you 1533 01:26:06,455 --> 01:26:08,895 Speaker 3: a long length. But look in terms of durability and 1534 01:26:08,935 --> 01:26:11,455 Speaker 3: if it works for you, all power to you. O. 1535 01:26:11,695 --> 01:26:15,135 Speaker 15: I think it's a three car garage, so it's yeah 1536 01:26:15,775 --> 01:26:16,535 Speaker 15: to be joined anyway. 1537 01:26:16,855 --> 01:26:17,855 Speaker 3: That just makes many. 1538 01:26:20,695 --> 01:26:23,495 Speaker 15: But it seems to be very durable when you're aboard. 1539 01:26:24,655 --> 01:26:28,735 Speaker 15: Absolutely a life stand on it or is it? 1540 01:26:29,175 --> 01:26:31,375 Speaker 3: Well? I mean, look in terms of durability, it would 1541 01:26:31,375 --> 01:26:35,335 Speaker 3: have a minimum warranty requirement of fifteen years, but I 1542 01:26:35,335 --> 01:26:39,015 Speaker 3: think given how inherently stable fiber cement is, you could 1543 01:26:39,095 --> 01:26:41,975 Speaker 3: expect it to last a lot longer than that, particularly 1544 01:26:41,975 --> 01:26:46,295 Speaker 3: if you keep up with your coatings right. So I 1545 01:26:46,295 --> 01:26:48,415 Speaker 3: think when you start reading through the fine print of 1546 01:26:48,415 --> 01:26:52,935 Speaker 3: almost any exterior product, it often relates to coatings. And 1547 01:26:53,015 --> 01:26:57,735 Speaker 3: interestingly enough, I'm working another project which is a little 1548 01:26:57,775 --> 01:27:02,415 Speaker 3: bit related to weather tightness and durability. Right, and so 1549 01:27:02,495 --> 01:27:06,815 Speaker 3: I've had some building surveyors survey the building to prepare 1550 01:27:06,695 --> 01:27:11,975 Speaker 3: a report and they've also made recommendations. And it's interesting 1551 01:27:12,095 --> 01:27:15,255 Speaker 3: reading through it. And you know, the report's quite extensive, 1552 01:27:15,575 --> 01:27:20,535 Speaker 3: runs to thirty or forty pages, and it's interesting to 1553 01:27:20,535 --> 01:27:23,695 Speaker 3: see how much focus they put on the quality of 1554 01:27:23,735 --> 01:27:27,975 Speaker 3: the coatings and the maintenance of it. That almost regardless 1555 01:27:27,975 --> 01:27:31,215 Speaker 3: of what exterior product you might use, if you don't 1556 01:27:31,295 --> 01:27:34,855 Speaker 3: keep up the maintenance of it and particular coatings, it 1557 01:27:35,095 --> 01:27:37,375 Speaker 3: just won't perform. 1558 01:27:37,695 --> 01:27:43,255 Speaker 15: Yes, I had a fifty square meter edition done on 1559 01:27:43,295 --> 01:27:46,135 Speaker 15: the house of it. Next with this dreat linear came 1560 01:27:46,175 --> 01:27:52,135 Speaker 15: from yeah now the builder. Sorry, go ahead, the builder. 1561 01:27:52,335 --> 01:27:54,855 Speaker 15: I assisted on one of them, and you'll leave to 1562 01:27:54,855 --> 01:27:58,175 Speaker 15: start off with them, be you well. They are quite 1563 01:27:58,175 --> 01:28:02,415 Speaker 15: long spainsstel screws hold the linear board on. Is it 1564 01:28:02,495 --> 01:28:05,135 Speaker 15: a benefit to do that because the extension has been perfect, 1565 01:28:05,135 --> 01:28:06,935 Speaker 15: the paint hasn't deterror at all. 1566 01:28:07,415 --> 01:28:08,735 Speaker 6: I might do a bit to. 1567 01:28:08,775 --> 01:28:12,975 Speaker 15: Wash annually or great two years yep. As the benefit 1568 01:28:13,015 --> 01:28:15,935 Speaker 15: in using the screws movement goes. 1569 01:28:16,655 --> 01:28:19,495 Speaker 3: I know typically with the linear actually, as best I 1570 01:28:19,575 --> 01:28:22,495 Speaker 3: understand it's designed actually well, when the last time I 1571 01:28:22,575 --> 01:28:26,375 Speaker 3: used it, which was a few years ago, one of 1572 01:28:26,375 --> 01:28:29,135 Speaker 3: the benefits well, we could use it for a garage 1573 01:28:29,215 --> 01:28:31,535 Speaker 3: wall that was close to the boundary, so it gets 1574 01:28:31,575 --> 01:28:35,375 Speaker 3: a bit of fire rating as well. But in this 1575 01:28:35,415 --> 01:28:38,535 Speaker 3: particularly when I installed it, we only fixed through the 1576 01:28:38,575 --> 01:28:40,495 Speaker 3: top of the board right, so you didn't put any 1577 01:28:40,495 --> 01:28:44,335 Speaker 3: fixing through the bottom at all, and that seemed to work. 1578 01:28:44,575 --> 01:28:46,495 Speaker 3: If you do have to fix through the bottom of 1579 01:28:46,495 --> 01:28:48,935 Speaker 3: the board, then yeah, jolt screws have become a real 1580 01:28:49,015 --> 01:28:51,455 Speaker 3: thing over the last couple of years. I haven't had 1581 01:28:51,895 --> 01:28:56,575 Speaker 3: a chance to do that yet, but I've got this 1582 01:28:56,655 --> 01:29:00,735 Speaker 3: decking job to do. It's a replacement for some LSOP 1583 01:29:00,935 --> 01:29:03,415 Speaker 3: treatment decking that's failed. So I've got to pull the 1584 01:29:03,415 --> 01:29:06,015 Speaker 3: existing tongue and groove up and relay it. And I've 1585 01:29:06,055 --> 01:29:10,175 Speaker 3: bought new tongue in groove decking that's h three point 1586 01:29:10,255 --> 01:29:12,735 Speaker 3: two treated. I'm pre priming it and then I'm thinking 1587 01:29:12,735 --> 01:29:15,335 Speaker 3: I'll use jolt screws. Have a look for them online 1588 01:29:16,015 --> 01:29:19,695 Speaker 3: to fix it down with, because I think the binding, 1589 01:29:19,775 --> 01:29:21,815 Speaker 3: you know, the actual because they've got a counter threads, 1590 01:29:21,855 --> 01:29:24,295 Speaker 3: so they are actually drawing the two surfaces together. I 1591 01:29:24,295 --> 01:29:27,815 Speaker 3: can see the advantage of that. Check it out online, Peter, 1592 01:29:27,855 --> 01:29:29,975 Speaker 3: we've got to move on much. Appreciate it and good 1593 01:29:30,055 --> 01:29:32,655 Speaker 3: luck with that. Jillian, A very good morning to you. 1594 01:29:33,495 --> 01:29:38,815 Speaker 13: Yes, good morning teach. Hey there regarding waste minimalization. Yes, 1595 01:29:39,095 --> 01:29:44,495 Speaker 13: I've been watching a building getting demolished and it was 1596 01:29:44,575 --> 01:29:47,695 Speaker 13: miss about fifty years ago. So I've got a couple 1597 01:29:47,735 --> 01:29:53,695 Speaker 13: of questions. The roofing tiles. Are they reusable after fifty years? 1598 01:29:55,495 --> 01:29:57,775 Speaker 3: Often what will happen is they'll go to a demolition 1599 01:29:58,175 --> 01:30:02,295 Speaker 3: yard and people will buy them for repairs, right, So 1600 01:30:02,335 --> 01:30:05,455 Speaker 3: there's a value to that. The other thing is if 1601 01:30:06,095 --> 01:30:08,895 Speaker 3: they don't end up going and being resold, so there's 1602 01:30:09,215 --> 01:30:12,375 Speaker 3: a way of making some money out of them. They 1603 01:30:12,455 --> 01:30:16,455 Speaker 3: can be taken to plants that will crush them and 1604 01:30:16,575 --> 01:30:21,375 Speaker 3: turn them back into aggregate. It's really in some cases 1605 01:30:21,495 --> 01:30:25,335 Speaker 3: it can't necessarily crazy. Thing right now is that you're 1606 01:30:25,335 --> 01:30:29,735 Speaker 3: not allowed to use recycled material in new structural concrete 1607 01:30:29,735 --> 01:30:33,015 Speaker 3: to the best of my ability knowledge, right, you can 1608 01:30:33,215 --> 01:30:36,215 Speaker 3: use it for things like we've got them at the 1609 01:30:36,255 --> 01:30:39,375 Speaker 3: center large concrete blocks that we use as barriers. Right, 1610 01:30:39,495 --> 01:30:44,975 Speaker 3: So inter block for example, So they'll take old concrete, 1611 01:30:45,175 --> 01:30:48,855 Speaker 3: crush it and reuse it in a they make new 1612 01:30:48,855 --> 01:30:52,215 Speaker 3: concrete from it. But because it's nonstructural as such, you 1613 01:30:52,255 --> 01:30:53,815 Speaker 3: can use it there or you can use it just 1614 01:30:53,815 --> 01:30:56,175 Speaker 3: for hard felt, so again it doesn't need to go 1615 01:30:56,215 --> 01:30:57,935 Speaker 3: to landfill. It can be repurposed. 1616 01:30:58,415 --> 01:31:03,295 Speaker 13: Unfortunately, everything's going to learn for all. I think the timbers, 1617 01:31:03,895 --> 01:31:07,415 Speaker 13: the cost of deconstructing building, and obviously the. 1618 01:31:07,495 --> 01:31:11,215 Speaker 11: Labor cross it's quite high, yep, high and. 1619 01:31:11,455 --> 01:31:14,655 Speaker 13: Deterrent, and that might be a factor in the quote 1620 01:31:15,375 --> 01:31:21,815 Speaker 13: maybe why it's getting demolished. That's so there has been 1621 01:31:21,815 --> 01:31:25,455 Speaker 13: some recycling going on, and perhaps it's necessary because glass 1622 01:31:25,495 --> 01:31:28,575 Speaker 13: probably can't be mixed with timber and concrete and gone 1623 01:31:28,575 --> 01:31:32,335 Speaker 13: to land. 1624 01:31:30,215 --> 01:31:33,935 Speaker 3: Or I think ideally if we're doing you know, if 1625 01:31:33,975 --> 01:31:37,095 Speaker 3: we've got an idea around reducing the amount of material 1626 01:31:37,135 --> 01:31:41,775 Speaker 3: that goes to landfill at site, is when ideally you 1627 01:31:41,815 --> 01:31:44,215 Speaker 3: should be separating it, right so rather than I mean, 1628 01:31:44,655 --> 01:31:50,935 Speaker 3: there are commercial recyclers and recycling centers like the Resource 1629 01:31:50,975 --> 01:31:53,815 Speaker 3: Recovery in Devenport and the other resource recovery centers right 1630 01:31:53,815 --> 01:31:57,855 Speaker 3: across the country. You can bring a sorted waste in 1631 01:31:58,975 --> 01:32:01,135 Speaker 3: and they will sort it for you. But I think 1632 01:32:01,215 --> 01:32:05,855 Speaker 3: ideally we should be doing a lot more of that 1633 01:32:05,935 --> 01:32:09,375 Speaker 3: on So so you know, I've been to a cheaper Yeah, 1634 01:32:09,375 --> 01:32:11,575 Speaker 3: I've been to a couple of really well organized sites. 1635 01:32:11,615 --> 01:32:14,495 Speaker 3: So for example, they'll ever been for timber, they'll ever 1636 01:32:14,615 --> 01:32:17,215 Speaker 3: been for hardfill. They might have been that's you know, 1637 01:32:17,415 --> 01:32:20,575 Speaker 3: cardboard and those sorts of things. I went to one 1638 01:32:20,815 --> 01:32:24,135 Speaker 3: commercial site, Naylor Love were doing a large commercial building 1639 01:32:24,175 --> 01:32:29,415 Speaker 3: at a university. They achieved ninety percent diversion from landfill 1640 01:32:29,735 --> 01:32:34,135 Speaker 3: by sorting on site. A ninety diversion from landfill is 1641 01:32:34,175 --> 01:32:35,615 Speaker 3: a staggering achievement. 1642 01:32:36,735 --> 01:32:38,975 Speaker 13: Context rules regarding that, do you know. 1643 01:32:38,975 --> 01:32:41,615 Speaker 3: There are no rules there should be. I agree with 1644 01:32:43,055 --> 01:32:44,135 Speaker 3: no rules, and. 1645 01:32:44,135 --> 01:32:45,975 Speaker 13: That's what I was concerned about. It thought there obviously 1646 01:32:46,015 --> 01:32:49,015 Speaker 13: are no council rules, and yet councils going through the 1647 01:32:49,055 --> 01:32:52,375 Speaker 13: motions well that they are actually doing modern emotions. But 1648 01:32:52,415 --> 01:32:56,215 Speaker 13: it's not much more in my opinions, because why it's 1649 01:32:56,255 --> 01:33:03,015 Speaker 13: minimization policy. Surely the major removal of houses for city 1650 01:33:03,175 --> 01:33:08,615 Speaker 13: for development, all these materials to go into landfill and 1651 01:33:08,695 --> 01:33:12,335 Speaker 13: the main surely councils should take a lead role in it, 1652 01:33:12,495 --> 01:33:14,135 Speaker 13: and perhaps some rules. 1653 01:33:14,575 --> 01:33:19,575 Speaker 3: Even if it's not counsel. I think we I mean 1654 01:33:19,735 --> 01:33:22,895 Speaker 3: part of me hesitates to go we need more legislation, 1655 01:33:23,055 --> 01:33:24,255 Speaker 3: right because we shouldn't. 1656 01:33:24,335 --> 01:33:25,695 Speaker 13: We shouldn't need it. We should be doing it. 1657 01:33:25,775 --> 01:33:28,375 Speaker 3: I know ideally we should, but I think there's going 1658 01:33:28,415 --> 01:33:30,415 Speaker 3: to be a bit of carrot and stick, right. So 1659 01:33:31,175 --> 01:33:34,655 Speaker 3: I think that if you're a client and you're engaging 1660 01:33:34,695 --> 01:33:37,895 Speaker 3: with a builder or a contractor to do renovations, one 1661 01:33:37,935 --> 01:33:40,255 Speaker 3: of the questions I think you should be asking now 1662 01:33:40,455 --> 01:33:44,655 Speaker 3: is what are you doing with the waste? Right? And 1663 01:33:45,975 --> 01:33:49,375 Speaker 3: a lot of builders that I know are equally passionate 1664 01:33:49,455 --> 01:33:52,055 Speaker 3: or engaged in this process, and they'll say, look, we'll 1665 01:33:52,175 --> 01:33:55,775 Speaker 3: use this particular company because they recycle or they divert 1666 01:33:56,735 --> 01:33:59,255 Speaker 3: or this is my process, this is what I do. 1667 01:34:00,215 --> 01:34:03,055 Speaker 3: But I think as clients we should be asking that question. 1668 01:34:03,415 --> 01:34:06,895 Speaker 3: As contractor costs, Yes, there is a cost, but you 1669 01:34:06,935 --> 01:34:09,455 Speaker 3: know there's also a cost to us just sending all 1670 01:34:09,495 --> 01:34:13,815 Speaker 3: of this material to landfill, right, whether that's an environmental cost, 1671 01:34:14,255 --> 01:34:16,815 Speaker 3: cost of transport, et cetera, et cetera. And you know 1672 01:34:16,855 --> 01:34:22,335 Speaker 3: we're looking at and there's just and this tremendous waste, right, 1673 01:34:22,935 --> 01:34:25,815 Speaker 3: So this is one of the benefits, for example, of 1674 01:34:25,815 --> 01:34:29,935 Speaker 3: off site manufacture where processes that are managed in a 1675 01:34:29,975 --> 01:34:32,895 Speaker 3: factory are often more efficient and have less waste than 1676 01:34:32,975 --> 01:34:33,695 Speaker 3: on site. 1677 01:34:34,295 --> 01:34:37,895 Speaker 13: Yes, yes, So what could council do as an incentive? 1678 01:34:38,215 --> 01:34:42,575 Speaker 13: Even I don't expect you to have the answer, there's 1679 01:34:42,655 --> 01:34:47,055 Speaker 13: to be some encouragement to people who property developers who 1680 01:34:47,055 --> 01:34:51,175 Speaker 13: want to remove a house and have three builds on 1681 01:34:51,175 --> 01:34:55,375 Speaker 13: the site. There might be some way that could some 1682 01:34:55,415 --> 01:34:55,855 Speaker 13: of the cost. 1683 01:34:57,935 --> 01:35:00,775 Speaker 3: Possibly there'll be that. I think what we're the more 1684 01:35:00,815 --> 01:35:05,415 Speaker 3: blunt lever is the waste levey, right, So that's a 1685 01:35:05,575 --> 01:35:09,695 Speaker 3: charge per ton of material that goes over away bridge 1686 01:35:09,695 --> 01:35:12,575 Speaker 3: into a transfer station on its way to a landfill 1687 01:35:13,095 --> 01:35:15,935 Speaker 3: that's probably just going to keep going up and up 1688 01:35:16,055 --> 01:35:16,495 Speaker 3: and up. 1689 01:35:17,375 --> 01:35:22,695 Speaker 13: So at the moment, aren't those landfills are they privately. 1690 01:35:22,375 --> 01:35:25,015 Speaker 3: Owned or owned almost all of the They're. 1691 01:35:24,775 --> 01:35:27,495 Speaker 13: Advantage to have as much waste coming in as possible. 1692 01:35:27,535 --> 01:35:30,375 Speaker 13: So would they want to raise a levy? 1693 01:35:31,295 --> 01:35:33,455 Speaker 11: I mean it's a very. 1694 01:35:33,295 --> 01:35:35,695 Speaker 3: Good point that you raise. No, if you're in the 1695 01:35:35,695 --> 01:35:39,855 Speaker 3: business of landfills, you know, do you want people diverting? No, 1696 01:35:39,935 --> 01:35:43,575 Speaker 3: you don't. But saying that most of the large companies 1697 01:35:43,575 --> 01:35:46,415 Speaker 3: that are involved in the space are actively trying to 1698 01:35:46,455 --> 01:35:47,735 Speaker 3: reduce waste as well. 1699 01:35:48,495 --> 01:35:51,495 Speaker 13: Do they want the land they wanted to operate as 1700 01:35:51,495 --> 01:35:53,855 Speaker 13: long as possible, I would imagine, Well, you know, there's 1701 01:35:53,895 --> 01:35:56,735 Speaker 13: also money to be made from waste recovery, right, So 1702 01:35:57,415 --> 01:36:02,455 Speaker 13: you know, if you're if you're charging a couple of 1703 01:36:02,495 --> 01:36:05,615 Speaker 13: hundred bucks for a nine meters skip, right, and then 1704 01:36:05,695 --> 01:36:08,255 Speaker 13: you're taking all of that and paying to dump it somewhere, 1705 01:36:08,455 --> 01:36:12,255 Speaker 13: or you're taking it and you're able to send plasterboard 1706 01:36:12,255 --> 01:36:14,935 Speaker 13: here and timber there, and metal there and cardboard there 1707 01:36:15,015 --> 01:36:18,815 Speaker 13: and plastic there, then you're not having to pay to 1708 01:36:18,935 --> 01:36:19,415 Speaker 13: dump it. 1709 01:36:19,455 --> 01:36:24,015 Speaker 3: Right, So you know, possibly there's when we say resource recovery, 1710 01:36:24,255 --> 01:36:27,935 Speaker 3: the idea is that all of this material, much of 1711 01:36:27,975 --> 01:36:31,335 Speaker 3: it has another life, and some of it has a 1712 01:36:31,415 --> 01:36:35,535 Speaker 3: financial value. So you know, if local recycling centers are 1713 01:36:35,535 --> 01:36:39,175 Speaker 3: collecting your metal and sending it away, they'll get something 1714 01:36:39,295 --> 01:36:44,175 Speaker 3: for that might not be a lot, but they will 1715 01:36:44,215 --> 01:36:47,415 Speaker 3: get something for it, and it's not going to landfill. 1716 01:36:47,455 --> 01:36:49,575 Speaker 3: And I think it's just that vision that I have 1717 01:36:49,655 --> 01:36:54,055 Speaker 3: of this vast quantity of material every single day going 1718 01:36:54,095 --> 01:36:59,455 Speaker 3: to landfill, that I'll. 1719 01:36:57,135 --> 01:37:00,375 Speaker 13: Be no cost for disposing of that under lential either. 1720 01:37:02,575 --> 01:37:05,415 Speaker 3: Recycling probably is well, that's right, there's there's a cost 1721 01:37:05,415 --> 01:37:07,695 Speaker 3: of recycling as well, but in general, I think we 1722 01:37:07,735 --> 01:37:09,775 Speaker 3: should have had that way, Gillian. I'm going to try 1723 01:37:09,775 --> 01:37:11,855 Speaker 3: and get to a couple of other calls before we 1724 01:37:11,895 --> 01:37:14,095 Speaker 3: go into the garden with red climb pass. Will take 1725 01:37:14,095 --> 01:37:17,175 Speaker 3: a short break. We'll be back with Bobby in just 1726 01:37:17,215 --> 01:37:17,615 Speaker 3: a moment. 1727 01:37:18,135 --> 01:37:21,735 Speaker 1: Measure twice God was but maybe called Pete first, be 1728 01:37:21,895 --> 01:37:23,655 Speaker 1: the wolf care the resident builder. 1729 01:37:23,815 --> 01:37:24,615 Speaker 11: News Talk said, be. 1730 01:37:25,295 --> 01:37:27,815 Speaker 3: Your news Talk said be. We've got shortly, so we'll 1731 01:37:28,255 --> 01:37:34,015 Speaker 3: trot through these I possibly can Bobby. Hello, good morning, Bobby, 1732 01:37:34,055 --> 01:37:35,175 Speaker 3: Thanks for waiting. How are you. 1733 01:37:36,695 --> 01:37:39,215 Speaker 17: I'm stabulous. I've been sitting here Arma aulling my cow. 1734 01:37:39,255 --> 01:37:43,255 Speaker 17: I've been waiting, so be quite friendous. It something you 1735 01:37:43,255 --> 01:37:45,415 Speaker 17: never get to do. Heson. I was calling about the 1736 01:37:45,455 --> 01:37:48,455 Speaker 17: guy that spoke about the pacola earlier and on the 1737 01:37:48,455 --> 01:37:50,735 Speaker 17: boundary at close to the boundary with his neighbor. Yes, 1738 01:37:51,295 --> 01:37:54,295 Speaker 17: I totally get not wanting to pay for counsel fees. 1739 01:37:54,335 --> 01:37:58,095 Speaker 17: But for anybody in that sort of similar scenario, getting 1740 01:37:58,495 --> 01:38:02,855 Speaker 17: getting permission from your neighbor is good obviously, But if 1741 01:38:02,895 --> 01:38:05,735 Speaker 17: you want to sell your house, ye, and it'll show 1742 01:38:05,775 --> 01:38:07,895 Speaker 17: them the council records that there's no permit for that 1743 01:38:07,935 --> 01:38:10,335 Speaker 17: particular whatever it is that you put there. Yes, they 1744 01:38:10,335 --> 01:38:13,255 Speaker 17: can either make you take it down or you can 1745 01:38:13,255 --> 01:38:15,375 Speaker 17: try and get it signed off and retrospect, which could 1746 01:38:15,375 --> 01:38:17,815 Speaker 17: cost you a bit of money anyway. But the other 1747 01:38:17,855 --> 01:38:21,055 Speaker 17: thing is that could actually also affect your insurance. If 1748 01:38:21,055 --> 01:38:23,815 Speaker 17: your pagola, if the roof flies off in a big 1749 01:38:23,855 --> 01:38:26,255 Speaker 17: storm and hits the house next door and damages it 1750 01:38:26,495 --> 01:38:29,455 Speaker 17: quite extensively, you won't have insurance. I'm pretty sure that, 1751 01:38:29,975 --> 01:38:31,415 Speaker 17: so you have to pay for the house next door, 1752 01:38:31,455 --> 01:38:33,215 Speaker 17: as well as the fact that your progoles shouldn't have 1753 01:38:33,215 --> 01:38:34,095 Speaker 17: been there or whatever it is. 1754 01:38:34,335 --> 01:38:37,095 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think two banks now look at sort 1755 01:38:37,135 --> 01:38:39,495 Speaker 3: of you know, unauthorized works and that sort of thing, 1756 01:38:39,535 --> 01:38:44,615 Speaker 3: and are often really reluctant to loan on that. So yes, 1757 01:38:44,695 --> 01:38:48,295 Speaker 3: you're right out there and increasingly their risk averse and 1758 01:38:48,775 --> 01:38:51,215 Speaker 3: so having unconsented works. Where we used to take a 1759 01:38:51,255 --> 01:38:54,415 Speaker 3: sort of casual, lay safeer approach to it all, it's 1760 01:38:54,495 --> 01:38:55,895 Speaker 3: just a different environment now. 1761 01:38:56,095 --> 01:38:59,375 Speaker 17: So yeah, it is really you're better off spending the money, 1762 01:38:59,375 --> 01:39:01,775 Speaker 17: even though it just makes me cringe, but you're better 1763 01:39:01,815 --> 01:39:05,055 Speaker 17: off it's actually getting it complied, and then you can 1764 01:39:05,135 --> 01:39:05,855 Speaker 17: rest assure that. 1765 01:39:06,495 --> 01:39:09,135 Speaker 3: No matter what I think that's very wise. 1766 01:39:10,055 --> 01:39:11,455 Speaker 17: Thank you. But the other thing I was ann asked 1767 01:39:11,535 --> 01:39:14,015 Speaker 17: was what was that recycling thing called? Sorry I didn't 1768 01:39:14,015 --> 01:39:16,015 Speaker 17: hear I've heard it earlier and I was driving. I 1769 01:39:16,055 --> 01:39:19,935 Speaker 17: couldn't remember the one where the builders that's and pieces 1770 01:39:20,015 --> 01:39:22,375 Speaker 17: go to get recycled as opposed to use for landfill. 1771 01:39:22,415 --> 01:39:24,855 Speaker 17: What's that call to the places that already? 1772 01:39:26,775 --> 01:39:29,095 Speaker 3: Yeah, Green Gorilla does it. A couple of other companies 1773 01:39:29,135 --> 01:39:31,095 Speaker 3: do it. I mean green Gril is interesting because they 1774 01:39:31,095 --> 01:39:35,335 Speaker 3: have a large processing plant that does it automatically, right, 1775 01:39:35,815 --> 01:39:40,615 Speaker 3: so their separation happens inside the factory. What I'm involved in, 1776 01:39:40,655 --> 01:39:43,575 Speaker 3: and what we've been talking about, is your local community 1777 01:39:43,615 --> 01:39:47,775 Speaker 3: recycling centers so CRCs, which I'm familiar with in Auckland, 1778 01:39:47,775 --> 01:39:50,095 Speaker 3: but I think around the country there is a network 1779 01:39:50,175 --> 01:39:53,295 Speaker 3: of them. So there's an exceptional one, for example at Raglan, 1780 01:39:54,415 --> 01:39:57,655 Speaker 3: where I haven't been there yet, but it's it's a 1781 01:39:57,775 --> 01:40:01,455 Speaker 3: really good example of a sort of community run recycling 1782 01:40:01,495 --> 01:40:04,735 Speaker 3: center that's really passionate about reducing the amount of material 1783 01:40:04,775 --> 01:40:09,455 Speaker 3: that goes to landfill and rep purposing recycling existing materials. 1784 01:40:09,535 --> 01:40:14,175 Speaker 3: They're all around the country, so it shouldn't be too hard. 1785 01:40:14,175 --> 01:40:15,855 Speaker 3: We had a couple of techs, someone talking about one 1786 01:40:15,855 --> 01:40:18,415 Speaker 3: in Parmeston all someone else talking about one in christ Church. 1787 01:40:19,455 --> 01:40:22,135 Speaker 3: Someone complaining about grumpy people at the one in christ Church, 1788 01:40:22,135 --> 01:40:25,775 Speaker 3: which I think is just bloody absurd. But anyway, and 1789 01:40:26,615 --> 01:40:29,455 Speaker 3: you know, so they're out there, right. I think it's 1790 01:40:29,575 --> 01:40:36,415 Speaker 3: just that, I know, consciousness makes people cringe, but I 1791 01:40:36,495 --> 01:40:39,295 Speaker 3: think we're now at a point where we just can't 1792 01:40:39,335 --> 01:40:42,055 Speaker 3: ignore the fact that we just can't keep being as 1793 01:40:42,135 --> 01:40:45,575 Speaker 3: wasteful as we have been. Right and particularly when I 1794 01:40:45,775 --> 01:40:49,135 Speaker 3: you know, because I'm quite involved. I'm a trustee or 1795 01:40:49,135 --> 01:40:51,575 Speaker 3: I'm a board member of the trust that administers the 1796 01:40:52,295 --> 01:40:59,735 Speaker 3: Devenport Recycling Center, the Resource Recovery Devenport, you know, when 1797 01:40:59,775 --> 01:41:03,215 Speaker 3: you see what we're able to do, and the fact 1798 01:41:03,215 --> 01:41:06,215 Speaker 3: that you know, currently our diversion rates are seventy eight 1799 01:41:06,375 --> 01:41:08,535 Speaker 3: percent of all of the material that comes over the 1800 01:41:08,535 --> 01:41:12,535 Speaker 3: way bridge, seventy eight percent it's diverted from landfill. So 1801 01:41:13,175 --> 01:41:19,535 Speaker 3: that really it's pretty damn good, I think, you know, yeah, 1802 01:41:20,175 --> 01:41:23,375 Speaker 3: you know, I just the sight of trucks just trundling 1803 01:41:23,375 --> 01:41:26,015 Speaker 3: off into the countryside and tipping stuff into a valley, 1804 01:41:27,295 --> 01:41:29,815 Speaker 3: I just don't think that's great. So we shouldn't be 1805 01:41:29,815 --> 01:41:31,455 Speaker 3: doing it. It's as simple as that. 1806 01:41:32,015 --> 01:41:34,655 Speaker 17: Thank and Huntly at the old Wedding's mine. And they've 1807 01:41:34,695 --> 01:41:38,255 Speaker 17: got apparently counsel permission to fill in the valleys if 1808 01:41:38,295 --> 01:41:40,335 Speaker 17: you like, they're not actually giving but to fill in 1809 01:41:40,335 --> 01:41:42,295 Speaker 17: the valley. So, like you said, to dump into something, 1810 01:41:42,615 --> 01:41:43,975 Speaker 17: then they have to cover it and they're not allowed 1811 01:41:44,015 --> 01:41:45,415 Speaker 17: to put a fist off them. But what's to say 1812 01:41:45,535 --> 01:41:47,255 Speaker 17: that they don't put you know what I mean? 1813 01:41:47,575 --> 01:41:50,415 Speaker 3: That happens, but you know, and again, look, I'm not 1814 01:41:50,415 --> 01:41:53,975 Speaker 3: that wooly eyed individual that goes you know, personally, I 1815 01:41:55,055 --> 01:41:57,095 Speaker 3: suppose I should believe in zero waste, but I'm a 1816 01:41:57,095 --> 01:41:59,215 Speaker 3: practical person and I look at what I sweep up 1817 01:41:59,255 --> 01:42:01,815 Speaker 3: from the workshop floor and go, you know, I don't 1818 01:42:01,815 --> 01:42:04,775 Speaker 3: think anyone's really excited about taking that material. Right, So 1819 01:42:05,095 --> 01:42:07,895 Speaker 3: a certain amount is I think, practically speaking, is always 1820 01:42:07,935 --> 01:42:11,615 Speaker 3: going to end up in landfill. But you know, without 1821 01:42:11,655 --> 01:42:14,135 Speaker 3: too much effort, if you can get to seventy or 1822 01:42:14,215 --> 01:42:17,135 Speaker 3: eighty percent, And I mentioned I've been to a large 1823 01:42:17,175 --> 01:42:20,895 Speaker 3: commercial building done by Naylor Love and Auckland and they 1824 01:42:20,935 --> 01:42:25,935 Speaker 3: achieved ninety percent diversion from landfill. Right takes some effort, 1825 01:42:26,135 --> 01:42:29,495 Speaker 3: but it is possible. So we should be doing it, 1826 01:42:29,575 --> 01:42:32,415 Speaker 3: you know. Right rent Over, I'm going to go into 1827 01:42:32,455 --> 01:42:34,855 Speaker 3: the garden where it's all sweetness and light with rut 1828 01:42:35,255 --> 01:42:37,775 Speaker 3: and we'll talk about this on another day. Jillian, thank 1829 01:42:37,815 --> 01:42:43,615 Speaker 3: you very much for your comments. Ridioh. Fabulous morning of conversation. 1830 01:42:43,735 --> 01:42:46,175 Speaker 3: Let's get into the garden. Roots on standby, Let's rip 1831 01:42:46,215 --> 01:42:47,895 Speaker 3: into it. If you've got a question for it. Oh 1832 01:42:47,895 --> 01:42:49,255 Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty, the. 1833 01:42:49,295 --> 01:42:53,255 Speaker 1: Number doing other house sorting the garden asked Pete for 1834 01:42:53,295 --> 01:42:56,695 Speaker 1: a hand the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp Call oh 1835 01:42:56,735 --> 01:43:00,695 Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty Newstalgs EDB for more from 1836 01:43:00,695 --> 01:43:04,135 Speaker 1: the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp. Listen live to Newstalks 1837 01:43:04,255 --> 01:43:08,295 Speaker 1: dB on Sunday Mornings from Sex. Follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.