1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,079 Speaker 1: Good afternoon. In a surprise move, the much anticipated debate 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: about whether or not to suspend the three Mali Party 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: MPs has been postponed. The Leader of the House, Chris Bishop, 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: called for the debate to be delayed. 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: There is no more important role for Parliament than scrutinizing 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: and debating the budget. It is a confidence motion by 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: definition in the government. The government cannot govern without the 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: approval of the Parliament. Constitutionally, it is right that they participate, 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: so we are moving to adjourn the debate so that 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: this week can focus rightly on the budget. 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: The motion passed, but Opposition Leader Chris Hipkins didn't like 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: that either. 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: Had they approached us this morning and said, look, we 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: wanted to furthest debate, we want to put it off 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 3: till later on, we would have been open to having 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: that conversation. We've been trying to talk to them for 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: the last forty eight hours. They haven't even bothered to 18 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: return phone calls, and then they do this. They just 19 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: look like they're out of their depth. I don't know 20 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 3: what they're doing. 21 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: And Chris Bishop is with us right now. High Bish, Hello, 22 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: are you playing super chess? 23 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: I think we're doing the right thing. In principle, people 24 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: should be able to vote on the budget. There's no 25 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: more important role for Parliament than voting on the budget. 26 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: But also we want this week to be about the 27 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: budget and the important moves that we're making to get 28 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: fiscool discipline back and grow the economy, and we don't 29 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: want it to sidetracked by distractions. So that's what we've 30 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: adjourned the debate. So ultimately Parliament will deal with the 31 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: report of the Privileged Committee and to the Party marimps 32 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: that will just do it in a couple of weeks, 33 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: not today. 34 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: What do you make of Chris Hipkins's complained that you 35 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: didn't tell him what you were doing earlier. 36 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not obliged to tell Chris Hipkins what we're 37 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: up to. I mean, the Parliament ultimately has voted to 38 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 2: adjourn the debate and that's what we're doing. So there'll 39 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: be many a chance for people to have their say 40 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: on the appropriate punishment in a couple of weeks. As 41 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: it stands, the Government is in favor of the report 42 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: of the Committee, which proposes twenty one days punishment. We 43 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: think what the Mary Party MPs did was wrong and 44 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: they deserve sanction for that, and we'll be voting in 45 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: favor of it, and ultimately it's over to the opposition 46 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: what they decide to do, all right. 47 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: So no compromise. The entire National Party is going to 48 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: vote for twenty one days. 49 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and things would be different if the Mario or 50 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: might be different if the Mariory Party showed any contrition whatsoever. 51 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: But you've got to remember they haven't turned up to 52 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: the committee. They've never apologized. They basically don't recognize the 53 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: jurisdiction of the Privileg's Committee. They don't accept what they 54 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: did was wrong, and they need to realize that the 55 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: rules apply to them in the same way they apply 56 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: to me and every other MP. You can't walk over 57 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: to someone in the middle of it vote in the 58 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: House and do a hakka in an intimidating way and 59 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 2: point a fake gun at another member of Parliament, which 60 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: is what they did. It's wrong. 61 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: Now. 62 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: Karen mcinnaughty of the Labour Party has been going around 63 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: saying that there are people in the National Party, MPs 64 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: in the National Party who are very uncomfortable about this 65 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: and don't think that the twenty one day punishment is right. 66 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: Have you spoken to everybody. 67 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's completely wrong, and there are plenty of Labor 68 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: Party MPs who want him to be the leader and 69 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: don't wan Chris Hippins to be the leader too, But 70 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: I don't go around spreading rumors like that. 71 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: You know, what do you make of the fact that 72 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: we've got ourselves in this situation in the first place, 73 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: having this unbelievably long, potentially long fullybusted debate. Are you 74 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: surprised that the Speaker has made this ruling? 75 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: Well, the standing orders provide for a debate to take 76 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: place in relation to privileges committee matters. There's not a 77 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: lot Speaker can do about that, so that the debate 78 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: is the debate. 79 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: Is it not the case that the Speaker can sit 80 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: down with the committee the Business of the House Committee 81 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: and decide it's going to be a two hour debate 82 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: and just limited to that. 83 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: He could do that, but there's no way. I mean, 84 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: I'd be in favor of that, but there's no way 85 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: the opposition would agree to that that. That is something 86 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: that requires consensus across the Parliament. So I suspect no, 87 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 2: it hasn't come through. 88 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: So this was a decision taken unilaterally by the Speaker well. 89 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: It's just he's just giving effect to the standing orders. 90 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: The standing orders provides for there to be a debate. 91 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had options, didn't he, Bish. 92 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: Well, everyone's got options. I mean, I'd be in favor 93 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: of a two hour debate or a time limited debate, 94 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: because if you just need a chance to ventilate the 95 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: issues and kind of say on it. But you know, 96 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: I don't think that. 97 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: I know, I know that you are bound by convention 98 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: and you cannot criticize the speaker. So I'm not asking 99 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: you to criticize the speaker. I am just saying the 100 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: speaker had options here. It didn't have to play out 101 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: like this. Are you surprised that it did well. 102 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: I'm disappointed that we are where we are, but mostly 103 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: I'm disappointed in the way the married party has behaved. 104 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Okay, Bish, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. That's 105 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: Chris Bishop, the Leader of the House. 106 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 107 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 3: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 108 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.