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Speaker 1: A circus. That's how Shane Jones described the poor frey

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Speaker 1: for parliamentarians at White Tungy yesterday. However, the New Zealand

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Speaker 1: First Minister has found himself on a bit of hot

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Speaker 1: water about that after threatening to pull the White Tongy

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Speaker 1: National Trust funding and up in White Tungy, of course,

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Speaker 1: along with him is the leader of the Opposition, Chris Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: So actually did you go to the dawn service this morning?

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Speaker 1: How was it?

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Speaker 2: I did? It was a beautiful dawn service. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's probably a little more political than previous years, but

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Speaker 2: still a very dignified event and you know the sun's

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Speaker 2: just coming up now and you can see the sun

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Speaker 2: peeking through the clouds. A very majestic year on the

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Speaker 2: treaty grounds at White Tangy this morning.

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Speaker 1: What did you make of the proceedings yesterday and the

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Speaker 1: threat by Shane Jones to pull funding from the White

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Speaker 1: Toungy National Trust.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Shane Jones's threats were totally unacceptable. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is the government that claims they're all about free

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Speaker 2: speech and yet they're saying that they're going to bully,

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Speaker 2: intimidate and funding of the organizations that might express a

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Speaker 2: disagreement with the government. I don't that's exemplifies a government

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Speaker 2: that's committed to free speech. I think it's a government

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Speaker 2: that basically is trying to bully and intimidate people into servians.

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Speaker 2: So I think Sir, if he had any leadership skills,

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Speaker 2: would be pulling his minister's into line right about now.

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Speaker 1: Given this colorful rhetoric that we see at Waitanguy, are

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Speaker 1: those sorts of comments. Is it possible to sort of

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Speaker 1: excuse that level of rhetoric from Shane Jones simply because

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not like he's not in good company

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Speaker 1: when it comes to outrageous statements.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's see. I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: political leaders here at what you have a responsibility to

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Speaker 2: act with dignity, to show some restraint, to show some respect,

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Speaker 2: to listen. And that doesn't mean we can't challenge, but

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Speaker 2: you can do that in a way that's respectful. I mean,

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Speaker 2: David dem All struck around here like a peak yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I think he looked like he looked like a boiled schoolboy.

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Speaker 2: You know. I think he should have actually just you know,

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Speaker 2: respected the dignity of the job that he that he

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Speaker 2: currently holds.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean he's strutting around like a peacock? Well,

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Speaker 1: how does how does one look like that as a politician?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean what you can see him and he's

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Speaker 2: surrounded by so much security at the moment, and that

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Speaker 2: itself has to be a message. Really. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you've got more police looking after David Seymour than looking

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Speaker 2: after the entire crowd that's here, it's probably that a

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Speaker 2: pretty clear indication and we're the problem lies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can understand why Christopher Luxon wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have wanted to come when he's not the first Prime

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Speaker 1: minister not to attend Whitan, is he.

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Speaker 2: Not? So there's an opportunity for him to be here

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Speaker 2: and to show some reship, you know. He says that

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Speaker 2: Seymore doesn't peak for his government on issues to do

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Speaker 2: with the treaty. He could have shown up and said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, what does the government have to say?

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Speaker 2: You know, as the treaty he, according to the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister says the treaty principles don't the government's views on

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Speaker 2: the matter, Well, what are the government's views? He could

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Speaker 2: have come here and cheer, though if he chose not

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Speaker 2: to which he still thinksually having something to say.

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Speaker 1: Minde, Helen Clark gave him Miss Mouns, didn't she didn't

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Speaker 1: she go to Akerrara as well at one White Tonguey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been an awful lot of effistance in though

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Speaker 2: to turn this into a much more dignified event. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's well, I mean the VP now over

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Speaker 2: like ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it has changed, but look, we are struggling a

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Speaker 1: little bit with the reception there. But I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of your day. That is Chris Heipkins.

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Speaker 1: He is opposition leader and he's up at White Tongue

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