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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're one.

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Speaker 2: Of a kind joining the huddles. Night clear to Lord journalists,

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Speaker 2: good even clear, Good to see you and Josie Bagani's

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Speaker 2: here child fun Ceo, Hi, Josie, Hello, Hello, great to

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Speaker 2: have you both here. Now let's start with what's happening

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Speaker 2: with Ukraine in a funny kind of a way. Clear,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I love Trump, but.

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Speaker 1: You better not.

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Speaker 2: He's come out. He's come out. He's come out, and

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Speaker 2: he's shaken the tree, and he's actually got Europe to

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Speaker 2: do really what the Americans have wanted Europe to do

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Speaker 2: for the last forty years, which is up their defense

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Speaker 2: spending and look after their own backyard.

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Speaker 3: I think that's but like beating somebody up so that

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Speaker 3: they go on a self defense course. Can't say I

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Speaker 3: think that's a really good way of going around it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it worked, I mean, look at them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but the body boys in the White House,

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Speaker 3: you know, are basically mobsters. Now in my view, they

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Speaker 3: are going to reach what they so eventually because you know,

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Speaker 3: Putin has really played them, he will continue to play

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Speaker 3: them when there is eventually a resolution, which there has

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Speaker 3: to be. You cannot keep on fighting war like this

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Speaker 3: forever because it is literally killing so many people on

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Speaker 3: both sides, young people. It's an utter tragedy. But you know,

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Speaker 3: Putin will still be there in Russia. He will probably

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Speaker 3: And we've got to remember this is week five or

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Speaker 3: six of Trump's second term. There are many more weeks.

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Speaker 2: But already we're talking about a potential cease fire, and

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Speaker 2: we've had three years without those words really entering the lexicon.

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Speaker 4: Josie, Well, Ryan, what we're really talking about here, this

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Speaker 4: deal that Trump is putting forward is a deal for surrender,

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Speaker 4: not peace. You've got to be really clear about that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know it does involve Ukraine getting nothing

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Speaker 4: and giving up everything. I'm just staring at the cover

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Speaker 4: of Private Eye actually this week, which Trump asking Zolensky

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Speaker 4: I give in, and Trump says, correct, it is a surrender, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: it is a surrender. And I think that what you

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Speaker 4: what you're seeing here is a kind of replay of

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Speaker 4: what Churchill went through in nineteen forty, where all the

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Speaker 4: pressure came on to surrender to appease Germany, and you

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Speaker 4: know you now understand the kind of pressure that he

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Speaker 4: was under. But it would also Ryan, I just heard

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Speaker 4: you're talking about independent foreign policy for me. Independent foreign

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Speaker 4: policy for New Zealand is not about picking one side.

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Speaker 5: Or the other.

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Speaker 4: It's actually about hedging, hedging so that we don't go

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Speaker 4: right we're all in with America, and frankly, I don't

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Speaker 4: think we want to be all in with America. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to. I agree with that, Panama, but you've

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Speaker 4: got a hedge between China.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But my point is you will hedge all day

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Speaker 2: long until it comes to a head, and you'll have

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Speaker 2: to pick aside at some point.

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Speaker 4: But you're not you're picking. Yes, you're picking a side

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Speaker 4: in terms of our values and our principles. And I

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Speaker 4: think the key thing with Ukraine is we have to

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Speaker 4: be a tight, really tight team here of countries that

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Speaker 4: are democratic, that believe in freedom of individuals, freedom before

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Speaker 4: the law. So we do have to make a decision

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Speaker 4: to be part of the coalition of willing. That's absolutely true.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean we walk away from China. You know,

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Speaker 4: that's a very different question.

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Speaker 3: And Ryan, you've got to remember when you talk about

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Speaker 3: what Ukraine will settle for. They gave away in nineteen

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Speaker 3: it has where has that got them? And Russia was

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Speaker 3: of this will be any sort of nuclear disarmament talks

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Speaker 3: in the future. KO are ever going to give them away?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 5: Totally?

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Speaker 2: Why would you? And well, no one can be trusted

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Speaker 2: on their work, can they? And a word doesn't last forever.

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Speaker 3: No, and especially Trump, I would not trust a single

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Speaker 4: You've got I think we've got to wake up and

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Speaker 4: smell the coffee here. I mean, Trump's USA has now

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Speaker 4: swapped sides. There's no doubt that Putin is the person

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time agreeing with that. And I

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Speaker 2: got a piece of water.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to play you persuade us.

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Speaker 2: And I'll persuade.

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Speaker 4: You audio and we'll see where we stand.

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Speaker 2: Clear the law and Josie Buccani about to get schooled.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 2: It is thirteen minutes away from six and cleared the Lord.

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Speaker 2: Journalist Josey beginning child fun CEO with me tonight. Now,

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Speaker 2: I promised you before the break, I'll play a little

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Speaker 2: bit of audio. This is from Donald Trump at his

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Speaker 2: press confidence at the weekend with Zolenski. And this is

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Speaker 2: because everybody keeps saying, oh, he's he's gone with the

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Speaker 2: rush and he's starting with potion. He was actually asked

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Speaker 2: about this at the prisoner and here's what he had

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Speaker 5: How explined him, Well, if I didn't align myself with

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Speaker 5: both of them, you never have a deal. He wants

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Speaker 5: me to say really terrible things about Putin and then say, Hi, Vladimir,

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Speaker 5: how are we doing on the deal. That doesn't work

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Speaker 5: that way. I'm not aligned with Putin. I'm not aligned

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Speaker 5: and for the good of the world. I'm aligned with

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Speaker 5: You see the hatred he's got for Putin. It's very

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Speaker 5: tough for me to make a deal with that kind

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Speaker 5: of Hey, he's got tremendous hatred and I understand that.

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Speaker 5: But I can tell you the other side isn't exactly

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Speaker 5: a question of alignment. I have to I'm aligned with

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Speaker 5: aligned with Europe. I want to see if we can

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Speaker 5: get this thing done. You want me to be tough.

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Speaker 5: I could be tougher than any human being you've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: That'd be so tough. But you're never going to get

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Speaker 5: a deal that way. So that's the way it goes.

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Speaker 2: Josie does that.

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Speaker 4: I'm the toughest man you'll ever see.

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Speaker 5: But Yeah, the.

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Speaker 2: Point is he's saying, basically, I don't want to you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to curry favor with both of them because

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have to sit down and actually do

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Speaker 4: Why would you call well, but what is actually what

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Speaker 4: he's actually saying? Though, if you substitute, and I know,

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Speaker 4: using the word Hitler, you've lost the argument already. But

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Speaker 4: if you substitute the word Putin for Hitler or Russia

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Speaker 4: for Germany's Second World War, imagine that conversation in nineteen forty.

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Speaker 4: So what he's asking here is for complete capitulation from

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Speaker 4: a country that was invaded. Now, if you think that

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Speaker 4: or stop at the border of the territory they've already got,

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Speaker 4: you're dreaming. Every single time that Putin has signed a deal,

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Speaker 4: he's broken it. So the key thing here is that

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Speaker 4: who trusts Putin in this so called deal that Trump

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Speaker 4: it is simply surrender.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to pets.

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Speaker 3: No must, This is so much fun.

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Speaker 4: This is much better.

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Speaker 2: In one word, did I convince you clear?

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Speaker 1: No? You did not.

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Speaker 2: I do think so.

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Speaker 3: You convince me that you're younger and optimistic, and I

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Speaker 3: love that about you.

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Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with being.

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Speaker 1: Young, There is nothing wrong about it.

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Speaker 4: I will wish I was Are you a dog man

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Speaker 4: or a cat man?

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm definitely a dog man. I was just saying earlier,

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Speaker 2: I've got a wee beagle in my household, and I

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Speaker 2: just honestly, I'm just in love with her. And it's

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Speaker 2: dog people in those pet people, and I think, man,

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Speaker 2: you guys are kind of losers. Like, you know, go

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Speaker 2: and hang out with some humans, make some meaningful relationships.

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Speaker 2: Why are you at home all the time with your pet?

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Speaker 2: But clear honestly, it's it's it's quite addictive.

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Speaker 3: Do you have full ownership of this dog? And are

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Speaker 3: you financially responsible.

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Speaker 2: For this dog? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, and yes we have one remaining cat of two

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Speaker 3: really the twilight of a life. But anyway, went to

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Speaker 3: I was asked, would you like to sign I do

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Speaker 3: not resuscitate? I said, what when I get the bill

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Speaker 3: because it was already by stage and well into the hundreds.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, I said, cat is now living. But when

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Speaker 4: That's why we're dog people. Clare Me and Ryan definitely

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Speaker 4: we have over the last few years we've had dogs chickens, ducks, horses, sheep.

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Speaker 4: are woefully ill equipped, I need to add, but we

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Speaker 4: like we've got three kids. The dog was always like

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Speaker 4: the second or third head, depending on you know, the hierarchy.

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Speaker 4: At the time. We loved our dog, and I often

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Speaker 4: confused my youngest son with the dog and call them

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Speaker 4: by the same name. But yeah, you're right, Ryan. Until

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Speaker 4: you have a dog, you don't understand the absolute purity

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Speaker 4: of the friendship you can have with your beautiful dog,

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Speaker 4: unlike human beings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty nice.

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Speaker 3: Just picking up the pop of any other human, any

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Speaker 2: That you know, got on beyond jo clear, thank you

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Speaker 2: very much for that. Very interesting from everybody. Actually, and

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Speaker 2: I tell you what. The text machine has gone. It's broken.

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Speaker 2: It's gone nuts. We will get to some of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people are really of it crossed with us, Jose

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Speaker 3: bring it on, woman.

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Speaker 2: It goes. Both'll get to some of it after this,

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Speaker 2: that is clear. The Lord journalists and Josie beganny Child

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