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Speaker 1: back with this Good morning morning mate. Right since we

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Speaker 1: were last talking, Yes, you told me you lived in Dumbo.

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Speaker 1: Is it Dumbo? Yes, Dumbo? Not anymore? No, well you

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Speaker 1: move your upper east side.

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Speaker 2: Now lower east side, So yeah, lower east side, the

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Speaker 1: Yes, very nice. Is that Is that sort of a

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Speaker 2: I think so once you cross the river and you

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Speaker 1: Because since we last talked, I went to New York

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Speaker 1: and I ended up in Dumbo. Oh yeah, and it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It is fantastic. The whole area is. It's just it's creative, vibe, nice,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the market's there is a really fantastic market

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Speaker 2: they have on the weekends underneath the archway in the

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Speaker 1: The hundred percent skate. Do you think New York is

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Speaker 2: It's a place that you kind of I've heard it

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Speaker 2: I feel very at home there. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: The arduousness of it, the grind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the sort of was saying this to someone last night,

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Speaker 2: I think your tough days in New York are like

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. So you're back. So last time we talked it

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Speaker 1: when did you win that the best breakthrough Artist? I

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Speaker 1: won that in twenty twenty one. So we've been waiting

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I went to the States to

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Speaker 2: I sort of thought, it's that idea of having to

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Speaker 2: And you know, that was a part of what I

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And so New York does that for you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, goes to New York to experienced something, don't they.

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Speaker 1: And do you did you do this on your own?

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Speaker 1: Walton Gobbins, you know Walton, he lives in upstate New York.

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Speaker 1: There, all right, without getting into the weeds on this.

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Speaker 2: So like you kind of find that there's these these

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Speaker 2: So with that, you know, that's so much easier than

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Speaker 1: of the song is called Satellite. Is it any good?

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Speaker 2: I'm loving the album. I mean it's as sort of

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Speaker 1: I could well, congratulations on this new SA season. You're

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Speaker 1: doing a couple of shows and everything. Great to catch

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Speaker 1: up with you, and don't don't don't be a stranger.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about New York again. Absolutely, go well. Good

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