1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: The pe is. The election campaign of twenty six is 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: already begun. They gathered in Palmston North over the weekend 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: from New Zealand First Rev Up Stewart Nash turned up 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: as a possible future candidate and we got some key 5 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: we Saber policy as well. Leader Winston Peter's with us. 6 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Pretty good morning to you. Good morning this Paris accord 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: between you and Act? Are you placing already pressure on 8 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: National to do something about it? 9 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: It's not between us and Actor. I said a long 10 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: time ago that the developments of the huge emissions from 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: four countries caused us to the question liners, are we 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: expected to deliver on our part of the bargain when 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: they are not delivering on theirs. The Actarty has followed that, 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: but it's not agreement to us an Act. We've never 15 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: spoken about it. 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: No, But between the two of you, you've got three 17 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: parties in coalition running the country at the moment. Two 18 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: of them don't want to be part of Paris. So 19 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: do you lean on National? 20 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: Well? No, look, I'm not saying what that Actarty is 21 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: saying in that sense. What we're saying is we have 22 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: to go and ask the rest of them what on 23 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: Earth they think is going on in terms of the 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: deal that they signed up to at the time, and 25 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: how can it possibly be delivered when four countries have 26 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: sixty percent of the emissions? 27 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: The detail on Kiwi Cyber, when do we get it? 28 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: Oh, look, read developing that because what's happened here is 29 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: you've got thousands and thousands of people, hundred thousands have 30 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: signed up, but they're not contributing, they're not saving, and 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: so it's not as deeply the easy as some of 32 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: the journalist's thought just to work out what's going on. 33 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: But we're going to make it compulsory and we're going 34 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: to assure they're spaced in at a level which you'll 35 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: see comprehensively is followed overseas. We need to turn this 36 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: into a super super saving fund and a superinvestment fund 37 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: at the same time. But not in the control of politicians. 38 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: When you talked about yesterday tax cuts, that's literally a 39 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: tax cut for a person who's contributing to Kiwi Cyber 40 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: or is it is it a rebate or how it 41 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: it worked. 42 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: That's a tax cut for the person contributing to KIVSAB 43 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: and also for the employer. 44 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Right, so I would pay I would pay less tax 45 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: if I'm contributing to kiwisaber exactly? Are you still with us? 46 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: Yes? I said exactly, yes. 47 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Okay, the differentiation. What's your assessment at this particular point 48 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: of the campaign because I listened to your speech yesterday 49 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: and I heard what you said about a variety of 50 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: different things, and I'm thinking to myself, how do you 51 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: differentiate yourself as a party in a campaign where you're 52 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: not going to go with labor so you're sort of 53 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: lining up to go with National maybe Act again and 54 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: you've got to look different. How does that work? 55 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: Because we're compellingly different. We're not out their ideological extremists 56 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: putting out something that's failed for the last forty years 57 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: or something in the case of the left hand side, 58 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: which failed a long time ago, from the day had started. 59 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: Of course, some much misery around the world called martyrsm 60 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: we're in the middle. We're pragmatic and we don't deny that, 61 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: and we talk about common sense solutions and around the 62 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: world and around these in at the moment, that's what 63 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: people are asking for. Look, just give an example, Dad. 64 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: Provincial airlines were starting to close down at critical paths 65 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: like Flake Burrial Alan and Elsewherekatane for example. And we've 66 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: stepped in and found three two men to say, now 67 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: this is vital to keep it going. We've got to 68 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: keep that infrastructure going because as they recover and go forward, 69 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: then they will be essentially part of the national good, 70 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: national network, and they're now tied into any Zealand. That 71 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: crisis forced us to do the right thing and ensure 72 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: that we keep the infrastructure going. We can't afford to 73 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: have factory stones because of lack of energy. That's what 74 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: his zil First is saying. We're talking about practical solutions, 75 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: not blind ideology that somedow somehow says oh we'll restinct 76 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: to this and it'll all come right. Well, we've waited 77 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: forty five yets for to come right. It has come right. 78 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: Bottom lines are any of the policies? Who will any 79 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: of the policies be bottom lines? During the campaign. 80 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: I don't like that expression might, because that means you're 81 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: not actually there to negotiator, there to be adamant and 82 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: rigid about things. But if there are things that we 83 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: are never going to sell ourselves out for, yes there are, 84 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: but we don't call them bottom lines. We just help 85 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: the rest have got enough common sense of negotiating table 86 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: to understand them all right. 87 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate time very much. Whinston Peter's New Zealand First 88 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: Leader could have been the start of the campaign right there. 89 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 90 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow 91 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.