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Speaker 2: Hello, Great New Zealand and welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number one eight nine for Thursday, the

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Speaker 2: twenty first of August and the Year of Our Lord

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. One eighty eight it is. I've given

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Speaker 2: us an additional additional episode, so one eighty eight. It

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Speaker 2: is twelve to two hundred. But one of our best

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Speaker 2: We made a difference. We changed someone's We changed someone's

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Speaker 3: How are your friends and family and your mum.

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Speaker 2: And give them Medeski where you seem busy, I'll let

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Speaker 2: you go, all right then? Okay and Tyler from christ

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Speaker 2: Church So if it's not, it's because he's coming down

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Speaker 3: All right, we love you. They love you down here

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Speaker 3: as well, Matt, do they Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So lady, your mommy dead and all the best around you,

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Speaker 2: your nanny nana passing. Yeah, got lots of love to

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Speaker 2: your buddy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you mate, Right, we'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bye, Love you.

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Speaker 1: Some big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

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Speaker 1: Talk said, be.

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday show. Great

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Speaker 4: to have your company as always. Get a mate, how

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Speaker 4: you doing yet?

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Speaker 2: A Tyler? You're down in christ Church. You're you're beaming in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, beaming him from christ Church.

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Speaker 4: And I'll heard you over the last hour, mate, and

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Speaker 4: got a lot of phone calls saying how are you doing?

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Speaker 4: So I thought i'd just pop in and say good,

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Speaker 4: you've enjoyed yourself.

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Speaker 2: Oh look it was you know you're my anchor. You

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Speaker 2: know you set me up, so we were we were

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Speaker 2: afloat at sea without an anchor. So I'm just glad

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Speaker 2: we didn't smash into the rocks and a whole Matt

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons didn't think you know, it was.

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Speaker 4: A good lesson mate, it was a good lessen but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: But on a serious notes, I'm down here my beautiful

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Speaker 4: Nana Beatty. Sadly she passed away on Friday. So we

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Speaker 4: had a beautiful service about a couple of hours ago

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Speaker 4: with close family and I know that's what Nana would

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Speaker 4: Auntie uncle were very grateful to have as much of

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Speaker 4: the family down here as possible, so it was nice.

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Speaker 2: How's the family holding up, buddy.

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Speaker 4: They are down at the cafe right now having a

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Speaker 2: Actually, And how are you holding up?

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Speaker 3: Good? Good God.

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Speaker 4: I will just say, you know, and I said this

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Speaker 3: Nana love you to death.

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Speaker 4: And if I can have a modicum of the strength

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Speaker 4: against So oh yeah, I just wanted to say that, mate,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, yes, bless you Nana, Betty. But no, good

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Speaker 4: to be back in here today, mate, And I've got

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Speaker 4: to say that stadium drove past the stadium down in

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Speaker 4: christ You saw it in person.

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Speaker 3: Who looking good?

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Speaker 2: Looking real good? Yeah, really good. So it's on track

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Speaker 2: You're right, Tyler, absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: Onto today's show after three o'clock, let's have a chat

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Speaker 4: about dog tacks. They have been in the news out

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, a pitbull jumping out of a car and

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Speaker 2: so not great. And look the mutt is the owner

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Speaker 2: Dogs will be dogs and we love them, and every

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Speaker 3: So it's it's come through.

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Speaker 2: It's really firing up, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a hot one after three o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Appreciating referees in New Zealand, so many would know the

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Speaker 4: name Ben O'Keefe, renowned rugby referee and one of the

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Speaker 4: referees who actually pushed back a bit on some of

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Speaker 4: the online abuse he has had in the past. He

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Speaker 4: about how well kewis, how well known, Rather key is

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Speaker 4: One of the things he said he dislikes is still

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Speaker 4: that online pylon that seems to be ingrained in New

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Speaker 4: the job they do enough? This is going to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the online pilon is one thing, but

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Speaker 2: And I personally think rugby is the best team sport

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Speaker 2: because there's a place for people of every size, you know, big, small,

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Speaker 2: There's a place for everyone, even little wieners like you, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: There's a place. There's a place for you.

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Speaker 3: Saying that make for yeah, but it doesn't work costantly.

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Speaker 2: It's also an incredibly complex game, so it doesn't work

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Speaker 2: but even yelling at the TV when your kids are around,

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Speaker 2: Then I don't know how the game can can survive.

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Speaker 2: And further to that, we have Rob Harmon, president of

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Speaker 2: well to talk about how it all works at the

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Speaker 2: So I'm really looking forward to that chat. I think

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Speaker 2: it's an important thing for us to discuss.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: That is after tooklopper right now, let's have a chat

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Speaker 4: about dental care in New Zealand. So the Dental Association,

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Speaker 4: as we know, have released their Oral Health Roadmap twenty

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Speaker 4: this has been floated around for some time, the idea

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Speaker 4: of taxing sugary drinks or a sugar tax in general.

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Speaker 4: Clearly the Dental Association has been pushing for this for

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Speaker 4: a long time, but it's bound to be a little

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Speaker 4: tax onto the poor suffering New Zealand people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is interesting. And look, I'll attempt

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to. For some reason, we have certain

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Speaker 2: one for me. It's potentially not even a word. Infantilization.

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Speaker 3: Infintilization, Yeah, that I nail it.

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Speaker 2: So you're treating the entire population like kids that can't

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Speaker 2: brush their teeth, you know. So you're saying, if you know,

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Speaker 2: if you can't look after your teeth, surely you're a

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Speaker 2: bit of a muppet across the board, right, If you

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Speaker 2: five liter fizzy drinks every day to such that you

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Speaker 3: See here's my thinking on it is.

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Speaker 4: I hate the idea of another tax and on sugary drinks,

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Speaker 4: and how do you actually make that work?

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Speaker 3: It seems like a lot of admint.

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Speaker 4: But if these muppets are guzzling three leads of coca

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Speaker 4: make them pay more for that dirty old coke, and

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Speaker 2: I mean, are there really people out there that can't

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Speaker 2: afford a toothbrush and toothpaste? Because you know, I would

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Speaker 2: that would be really important. I remember when I was

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Speaker 2: and you'd get given you a little pack. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I would maybe support that, But I mean, come on, really,

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Speaker 2: if you can't brush your teeth, there's no helping you.

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Speaker 2: You know, come on, this is going to be a

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Speaker 4: I wait, under an eighty ten eighty, how do you

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Speaker 4: feel about the idea of a tanks on sugary drinks

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Speaker 4: as this treating us all like kids and now we

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Speaker 4: there needs to be some controls in a little bit

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Speaker 4: of push to the little let's be frank here idiots

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Speaker 4: who are clogging up the emergency departments with rotten teeth

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Speaker 4: because they can't be bothered to clean them. Oh, eight

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Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. The

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Speaker 4: phone lines have lit up already, let's get into it.

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Speaker 4: It is fourteen bars one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: talks that'd be.

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Speaker 4: Hey, we're talking about the Dental Association's Oral Health Rowmap

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five to twenty thirty. It's made a bunch

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Speaker 4: of recommendations on how we can solve what o're call

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Speaker 4: in an oral health crisis. One of the key ones

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Speaker 4: was a tax on sugary drinks and better labeling. How

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's across the board, Yes, Tex, the

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Speaker 3: Ah, the root cause. But I'm bomb.

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Speaker 2: So I guess you know there's no doubt that sugary

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Speaker 2: So if you just keep telling a whole country that

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Speaker 2: John, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Oh hi, Yeah, I'd like to clarify about the cost

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Speaker 2: Do you work in the industry, John, Yeah? I used

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Speaker 7: For medical reasons? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I just think there's a lot of ignorance unfortunately, a

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Speaker 7: And then it's just in general because people don't understand

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Speaker 7: these days, one hundred and twenty k of debt over

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Speaker 7: We should be educating people more. But you know, people

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Speaker 2: You know, I've got a question for you, John, and

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Speaker 2: But why do dentists the dentist industry want people to

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Speaker 7: It's so much work in generally anyway, we don't need

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Speaker 7: There are some ethic people within dnistry, like there aren't

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Speaker 2: So it is interesting, yeah, yeah, because the perception out

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Speaker 10: It's not about at all.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely Lumino and another group called the Dental Group

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Speaker 4: So the idea of a sugary text just to write

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Speaker 7: I just don't. I mean, I think people are certain

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Speaker 7: I think people have got to sort of educate themselves

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Speaker 7: I think the sugary tax will make much difference at all.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey, thank you so much for those insights, John,

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Speaker 2: John all the best with your health mate.

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Speaker 2: Why should I be tax extra when I buy a

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Speaker 11: A lot of people saw it coming, and we're yelling

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Speaker 12: Well, we saw some of that come through in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you should have done that already.

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Speaker 13: We just look forward from where we are is all

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Speaker 3: B very good afternoons.

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Speaker 4: Here, it's twenty seven past one, and we're talking about

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Speaker 4: What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: The six is high? Guys, have you ever noticed that

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Speaker 2: Surely Americans drink as much coke as we do, Britt.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point Americans. You know, when you've been

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Speaker 2: You didn't even see that in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've got pearly whites, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: They love flossing though, don't they have the big flosses?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, do school still be interested to know

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Speaker 2: next thing. You know, you le have people having to

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Speaker 2: But you know, just brushing teeth at the start of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but remember the old time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe they've still got school nurses, maybe they

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Speaker 3: I think I did at that age.

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Speaker 4: I needed the nurse to say, Tyler, the study of

437
00:19:37,013 --> 00:19:38,373
Speaker 4: your teeth are disgusting.

438
00:19:38,613 --> 00:19:40,773
Speaker 3: Sort it out. Here's a tooth brush for you. I've got.

439
00:19:40,773 --> 00:19:42,373
Speaker 4: I'm just going to send a note home to your

440
00:19:42,453 --> 00:19:44,853
Speaker 4: mum and dad to make you sure that you brushed

441
00:19:44,893 --> 00:19:46,173
Speaker 4: your teeth morning and night.

442
00:19:46,333 --> 00:19:47,493
Speaker 3: But I was a kid, to be fair.

443
00:19:47,773 --> 00:19:50,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what, I was very different. My

444
00:19:50,693 --> 00:19:52,933
Speaker 2: dental nurse used to look at my teeth and marvel,

445
00:19:53,413 --> 00:19:55,653
Speaker 2: those are the best teeth I've ever seen in twenty

446
00:19:55,693 --> 00:19:56,773
Speaker 2: five years in the business.

447
00:19:57,173 --> 00:19:58,293
Speaker 3: I need to speak to that nurse.

448
00:19:58,453 --> 00:19:59,773
Speaker 2: Beautiful teeth.

449
00:20:00,973 --> 00:20:06,133
Speaker 3: Direct quote.

450
00:20:06,653 --> 00:20:11,933
Speaker 9: Oh yep, ready, your voice down. Your voice sounds different

451
00:20:11,933 --> 00:20:14,053
Speaker 9: than what you think it does, doesn't it. When you're

452
00:20:14,053 --> 00:20:23,693
Speaker 9: listening to yourself him listen. Yeah, you can't just stop

453
00:20:23,733 --> 00:20:26,733
Speaker 9: a coke. You can't stop a lemonade. You know you

454
00:20:26,733 --> 00:20:29,093
Speaker 9: You've got to I'm going to get a sugary text.

455
00:20:29,173 --> 00:20:32,453
Speaker 9: Let's get McDonald's. And they put sugar in the breed,

456
00:20:32,813 --> 00:20:37,453
Speaker 9: they put you know, look where do you stop? And

457
00:20:37,453 --> 00:20:41,293
Speaker 9: And like you say, I brush my teeth morning and night.

458
00:20:41,973 --> 00:20:44,453
Speaker 9: I deal with people, and and at night time I

459
00:20:44,453 --> 00:20:49,373
Speaker 9: have to deal with my missus. And also I was

460
00:20:49,453 --> 00:20:52,413
Speaker 9: raised to brush my teeth. Why don't we go back

461
00:20:52,453 --> 00:20:56,093
Speaker 9: to parenting and teaching kids to do the same.

462
00:20:56,933 --> 00:21:01,933
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm just that one thing that sorry, this

463
00:21:01,973 --> 00:21:03,893
Speaker 5: is one thing that one thing that rings with me

464
00:21:04,093 --> 00:21:07,093
Speaker 5: is and this is I've been a smoker since I

465
00:21:07,093 --> 00:21:12,253
Speaker 5: was seven years old, and the taxes have gone on

466
00:21:12,293 --> 00:21:15,133
Speaker 5: that to try and stoper smoking or to try and

467
00:21:15,453 --> 00:21:16,453
Speaker 5: cover these costs.

468
00:21:16,533 --> 00:21:22,053
Speaker 9: And what I've found come now at I'm now at

469
00:21:22,773 --> 00:21:25,373
Speaker 9: three hundred bucks a week and I spend on cigarettes.

470
00:21:25,453 --> 00:21:30,293
Speaker 9: I smoke fifty grand, two fifty grand packets of cigarettes

471
00:21:30,413 --> 00:21:33,453
Speaker 9: a week, one hundred and fifty douck for put me

472
00:21:33,493 --> 00:21:39,532
Speaker 9: fifty grand packs. I gave up three months. I in

473
00:21:39,573 --> 00:21:42,373
Speaker 9: that three months realized that I was living the most

474
00:21:42,413 --> 00:21:48,133
Speaker 9: miserable life I had ever lived, and I come to

475
00:21:48,173 --> 00:21:51,173
Speaker 9: the conclusion that I'm going to either die happy or miserable.

476
00:21:51,973 --> 00:21:55,572
Speaker 9: So I in fact a smoking and I am and

477
00:21:55,653 --> 00:21:59,853
Speaker 9: I'm finding happiness. And that both my grandparents smoked from

478
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Speaker 9: about the age of fourteen fifty and they died in

479
00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:07,533
Speaker 9: the ages of around eighty eight. Yes, so I'll be

480
00:22:07,573 --> 00:22:10,293
Speaker 9: happy with that sort of innings. All that that's doing

481
00:22:10,333 --> 00:22:13,933
Speaker 9: to me is just writting me off. It hasn't deturred me.

482
00:22:14,613 --> 00:22:19,453
Speaker 9: And and I'll be that. I'll be that stubborn but

483
00:22:19,813 --> 00:22:22,293
Speaker 9: the ground fellow that you put it to a thousand bucks,

484
00:22:22,373 --> 00:22:25,413
Speaker 9: you know, I'll go and get load like all the

485
00:22:25,413 --> 00:22:26,853
Speaker 9: people above, my smokes off me.

486
00:22:28,373 --> 00:22:30,733
Speaker 2: Blumbing a smoke is a much more serious thing nowadays,

487
00:22:30,733 --> 00:22:33,573
Speaker 2: isn't it. Thought I thought I thought you were going

488
00:22:33,653 --> 00:22:34,773
Speaker 2: to say, I'm going to be one of those people

489
00:22:34,813 --> 00:22:37,093
Speaker 2: that's smoking through a hole in my throat when they

490
00:22:37,133 --> 00:22:38,453
Speaker 2: have to put the tracking off it again.

491
00:22:39,573 --> 00:22:42,813
Speaker 9: Yeah, listen, listen, hey, like I said about you know,

492
00:22:42,933 --> 00:22:48,653
Speaker 9: dying happy, and I don't just brush his heat. You know,

493
00:22:48,693 --> 00:22:51,653
Speaker 9: I have something big for others for a start, and

494
00:22:52,093 --> 00:22:54,812
Speaker 9: have respect for you. Miss are you you kissing that night.

495
00:22:55,053 --> 00:22:58,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the hard core smokers toothpaste. What is

496
00:22:58,293 --> 00:23:02,893
Speaker 2: that that ferm that doesn't really smokers?

497
00:23:04,413 --> 00:23:04,813
Speaker 12: The resky?

498
00:23:04,893 --> 00:23:05,532
Speaker 9: I can taste it?

499
00:23:05,773 --> 00:23:05,973
Speaker 3: Did that?

500
00:23:06,413 --> 00:23:06,613
Speaker 2: Yeah?

501
00:23:06,893 --> 00:23:10,253
Speaker 9: I have, I don't to. I'm on the Blues now,

502
00:23:10,413 --> 00:23:14,173
Speaker 9: not on the port rules and the and the drums.

503
00:23:14,333 --> 00:23:17,213
Speaker 9: I'm now in the pack drive Blue. So I've done

504
00:23:17,333 --> 00:23:20,213
Speaker 9: mind myself a favor, and I'm having filters now.

505
00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:22,853
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say you're filtering now.

506
00:23:23,853 --> 00:23:25,893
Speaker 3: They're going without filters.

507
00:23:25,493 --> 00:23:28,293
Speaker 9: Far cigarettes and bush cigarettes.

508
00:23:29,933 --> 00:23:32,013
Speaker 3: There's no excuse on the filters, mate, They're only about

509
00:23:32,053 --> 00:23:33,533
Speaker 3: threty scenes for a beggar two honey.

510
00:23:34,653 --> 00:23:38,773
Speaker 9: No, hey, it's that's even going up now, Tyler, Yeah,

511
00:23:39,093 --> 00:23:43,893
Speaker 9: it's it's it's a case that you know, Sugar, I've

512
00:23:43,893 --> 00:23:48,213
Speaker 9: tried the zeros coke zeros to try and you know, yeah,

513
00:23:48,333 --> 00:23:50,733
Speaker 9: I've tried the bakes. I mean, what a joke that was.

514
00:23:52,413 --> 00:23:56,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, question we go on. One question for you, Rob.

515
00:23:57,133 --> 00:23:59,173
Speaker 2: How come you've got the discipline to brush your teeth

516
00:23:59,213 --> 00:24:03,373
Speaker 2: every day and you're even on the special smokers toothpaste,

517
00:24:03,373 --> 00:24:05,733
Speaker 2: but you you can't kick the kick the SIGs.

518
00:24:06,093 --> 00:24:06,253
Speaker 12: You know.

519
00:24:06,373 --> 00:24:08,053
Speaker 2: It's interesting different types of discipline.

520
00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:11,613
Speaker 9: I love my kettles and kisses at night time, and

521
00:24:12,333 --> 00:24:14,573
Speaker 9: she doesn't give them to me if I've got bad bread.

522
00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:19,253
Speaker 9: Neither does a kid's one from the dogs. The dog

523
00:24:19,333 --> 00:24:20,573
Speaker 9: you give me a kiss in the kettle.

524
00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:23,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, but is a powerful motivator, no doubt about it.

525
00:24:23,853 --> 00:24:25,893
Speaker 2: Thanks being. It's all about sticks and carrots, isn't it?

526
00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:28,853
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

527
00:24:28,933 --> 00:24:31,093
Speaker 3: number to call. We got headlines with Wendy coming up.

528
00:24:31,173 --> 00:24:33,133
Speaker 3: But can you get your views on the idea of

529
00:24:33,213 --> 00:24:37,773
Speaker 3: a sugar tax on drinks? Is it gonna be worthwhile

530
00:24:37,813 --> 00:24:40,133
Speaker 3: to change the oral health crisis in New Zealand?

531
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Speaker 4: Or is it just treating us like babies? Can you

532
00:24:42,573 --> 00:24:44,533
Speaker 4: get your thoughts? It's twenty six to two.

533
00:24:44,573 --> 00:24:46,453
Speaker 2: Well it's this Texas says Hey, Matt and Tyler. Instead

534
00:24:46,453 --> 00:24:49,292
Speaker 2: of fixing it by taxing sugar water, they just subsidized

535
00:24:49,333 --> 00:24:51,173
Speaker 2: toothpaste and toothbrushes. That's from Ellen.

536
00:24:51,253 --> 00:24:52,213
Speaker 3: So that's now you're talking.

537
00:24:52,373 --> 00:24:54,773
Speaker 2: That's the carrot um. Yeah, it's still not going to

538
00:24:54,813 --> 00:24:55,893
Speaker 2: pay people, make people do it.

539
00:24:59,053 --> 00:25:02,453
Speaker 8: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

540
00:25:02,453 --> 00:25:05,573
Speaker 8: no trouble with a blue bubble. The end is nigh

541
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Speaker 8: for the Defense forces beleagued Boeing seven five seven's thanks

542
00:25:09,293 --> 00:25:12,493
Speaker 8: to a two point seven billion dollar commitment. The government's

543
00:25:12,533 --> 00:25:15,453
Speaker 8: announced it signed a contract for two new Airbus A

544
00:25:15,693 --> 00:25:18,293
Speaker 8: three twenty one aircraft and a leased to buy deal.

545
00:25:18,693 --> 00:25:22,533
Speaker 8: Five Seahawk helicopters have also been ordered. Trade Minister Todd

546
00:25:22,573 --> 00:25:25,373
Speaker 8: Maclay's in Washington and we'll meet the top US trade

547
00:25:25,413 --> 00:25:28,213
Speaker 8: boss overnight, planning to state in New Zealand's case for

548
00:25:28,293 --> 00:25:31,133
Speaker 8: lower tariffs. Our thirty three year old du need And

549
00:25:31,213 --> 00:25:34,532
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550
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551
00:25:38,773 --> 00:25:41,813
Speaker 8: and Queenstown Airports are both reporting a rise in profit

552
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Speaker 8: off the back of a lift and visitor numbers. Newstalk

553
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554
00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:51,653
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555
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556
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Speaker 8: collapse drinks company East Imperial launches new venture with celebrity

557
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558
00:26:03,173 --> 00:26:04,813
Speaker 8: Now back to Matt and Tyler.

559
00:26:04,773 --> 00:26:06,693
Speaker 4: Thank you very much Wendy and we are talking about

560
00:26:06,693 --> 00:26:09,813
Speaker 4: the Dental Association's push for a text or attacks on

561
00:26:09,893 --> 00:26:13,532
Speaker 4: sugary drink and also better labeling. Good idea or is

562
00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:15,853
Speaker 4: it just treating us like a bunch of babies? Oh eight,

563
00:26:15,853 --> 00:26:17,413
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call

564
00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:17,853
Speaker 4: the sixes.

565
00:26:18,053 --> 00:26:20,493
Speaker 2: I brush twice a day, don't drink fizzy or much

566
00:26:20,533 --> 00:26:23,893
Speaker 2: sugary items, floss mouth washed daily, Yet have just spent

567
00:26:24,013 --> 00:26:27,093
Speaker 2: four K on my teeth with more work needed to

568
00:26:27,093 --> 00:26:29,933
Speaker 2: be done, which I'll head to Thailand for some people

569
00:26:30,013 --> 00:26:31,653
Speaker 2: just have bad genes. I mean, that's such a good

570
00:26:31,653 --> 00:26:35,853
Speaker 2: point that the genes play such a massive role in

571
00:26:35,893 --> 00:26:38,213
Speaker 2: the health of your teeth. Although I agree with Matt

572
00:26:38,213 --> 00:26:40,893
Speaker 2: about muppets, but maybe we do need to be treated

573
00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:43,253
Speaker 2: as children. You've seen that, You've seen the state of

574
00:26:43,333 --> 00:26:48,133
Speaker 2: public toilets. People clearly can't wipe their butts, so the

575
00:26:48,253 --> 00:26:50,893
Speaker 2: technical aspects of teeth brushing is a step too far.

576
00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:54,333
Speaker 2: We are doomed. See I've got a theory on the

577
00:26:54,333 --> 00:26:57,893
Speaker 2: discussing state of public toilets. I think it's not accidents.

578
00:26:58,053 --> 00:27:01,813
Speaker 2: I think people soil them on purpose, much like a

579
00:27:01,893 --> 00:27:05,333
Speaker 2: dog leaves, you know, wheeze on a tree to mark

580
00:27:05,333 --> 00:27:08,213
Speaker 2: their territory. I mean, there's no way that the bathroom

581
00:27:08,413 --> 00:27:12,253
Speaker 2: that bars and public toilets can be that way. Even

582
00:27:12,573 --> 00:27:17,333
Speaker 2: downstairs that enzed me. There's the bathrooms down there. Chapers

583
00:27:17,413 --> 00:27:20,773
Speaker 2: Gate two and Game three get destroyed daily down there.

584
00:27:20,893 --> 00:27:23,773
Speaker 2: An absolute state, absolute state, and there's no way that

585
00:27:23,813 --> 00:27:27,333
Speaker 2: there's people out there that just can't can get into

586
00:27:27,333 --> 00:27:28,853
Speaker 2: this building but can't operate a.

587
00:27:31,053 --> 00:27:33,013
Speaker 3: Was what did you call them? We want to go

588
00:27:33,053 --> 00:27:35,613
Speaker 3: fecal terrorists? And I think that sums them up.

589
00:27:35,653 --> 00:27:38,733
Speaker 4: I mean, what kind of insane person would mark their

590
00:27:38,813 --> 00:27:41,933
Speaker 4: territory with a bit of fecal terrorism? I mean clearly,

591
00:27:42,373 --> 00:27:44,133
Speaker 4: I mean their teeth must be a sorry state as well.

592
00:27:44,173 --> 00:27:48,413
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, well let's not go this. I guarantee fecal terrorists.

593
00:27:48,453 --> 00:27:50,292
Speaker 2: I reckon someone needs to do a study and compare

594
00:27:50,293 --> 00:27:54,933
Speaker 2: the teeth of fecal terrorists compared to people that can

595
00:27:55,053 --> 00:27:57,573
Speaker 2: use the bathroom properly, or choose to use the bathroom properly.

596
00:27:57,893 --> 00:28:00,973
Speaker 2: I reckon us people that use the bathroom's respect would

597
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,533
Speaker 2: have much whiter and cleaner teeth. Guys, not to go

598
00:28:03,573 --> 00:28:05,933
Speaker 2: old Jack Reacher on you, it's the brushing that's important

599
00:28:06,053 --> 00:28:09,973
Speaker 2: mint for smell between Z zero to sixteen small fluorid

600
00:28:09,973 --> 00:28:12,973
Speaker 2: tab You will you, you will do this? That's taking them.

601
00:28:13,013 --> 00:28:15,773
Speaker 2: There were skills. Okay, there you go. Okay, Maybe the

602
00:28:15,853 --> 00:28:18,853
Speaker 2: Dentist Association should encourage dentists to reduce their prices, making

603
00:28:18,893 --> 00:28:21,453
Speaker 2: them more affordable. Then people might be able to afford

604
00:28:21,453 --> 00:28:23,333
Speaker 2: an appointment. Maybe it's just the era I live in,

605
00:28:23,853 --> 00:28:26,373
Speaker 2: but waiting lists for an appointment are very long. Yeah,

606
00:28:26,413 --> 00:28:27,813
Speaker 2: but I mean that's not the problem. That's the that

607
00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:30,133
Speaker 2: those kind of going to the dentists. That's the bloody

608
00:28:30,253 --> 00:28:32,133
Speaker 2: ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. We're talking about

609
00:28:32,133 --> 00:28:35,413
Speaker 2: people just slamming fizzy drinks their whole life and not

610
00:28:35,453 --> 00:28:39,253
Speaker 2: brushing their teeth. Welcome the show, Kevin, Yeah.

611
00:28:40,933 --> 00:28:46,253
Speaker 14: Last little actually very enjoyable and talking teeth and stuff

612
00:28:46,293 --> 00:28:50,253
Speaker 14: until you bought their topic a bit toilets.

613
00:28:50,293 --> 00:28:54,253
Speaker 3: Great, it was out of order. It was out of order.

614
00:28:54,413 --> 00:28:57,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, I'll make you go to sweat.

615
00:28:58,173 --> 00:28:58,893
Speaker 14: I'm going to swe.

616
00:29:02,133 --> 00:29:03,613
Speaker 2: We deserve it. I shouldn't have read that text. Now,

617
00:29:03,653 --> 00:29:05,093
Speaker 2: we didn't need to take it to the bathroom.

618
00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:07,653
Speaker 3: That's on us.

619
00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:10,573
Speaker 14: That's on people even somewhere and stuff and all that

620
00:29:10,613 --> 00:29:11,093
Speaker 14: sort of stuff.

621
00:29:11,133 --> 00:29:12,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, we needed to stay at the sink, and we

622
00:29:13,093 --> 00:29:14,933
Speaker 2: need to stay at the sink with the toothbrush, and

623
00:29:14,973 --> 00:29:17,493
Speaker 2: instead we went over into the over to the toilet.

624
00:29:17,493 --> 00:29:18,693
Speaker 2: So we won't do that anymore, Kevin.

625
00:29:18,773 --> 00:29:21,693
Speaker 14: But we went over the dark side.

626
00:29:21,773 --> 00:29:22,573
Speaker 9: So that was what rush.

627
00:29:24,693 --> 00:29:27,573
Speaker 14: Anyway, that's the secret to the secret about your teeth.

628
00:29:27,653 --> 00:29:30,333
Speaker 14: Everything is a lot of what's to do with mental health,

629
00:29:30,413 --> 00:29:33,613
Speaker 14: a lot of what to do with the best thing

630
00:29:33,653 --> 00:29:36,493
Speaker 14: they could ever have was I had grown up was

631
00:29:37,013 --> 00:29:41,493
Speaker 14: dental nurses at school. Yes, yeah, and I'm Wakefield and

632
00:29:41,573 --> 00:29:44,893
Speaker 14: Nelson and what they do a lot of places whund

633
00:29:45,373 --> 00:29:48,213
Speaker 14: they had big buses come around they do dental they

634
00:29:48,373 --> 00:29:52,013
Speaker 14: park up for a two or three days. Yeah. Have

635
00:29:52,093 --> 00:29:52,693
Speaker 14: you seen those?

636
00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:55,533
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have, Yeah, I think I believe I have. Yeah.

637
00:29:56,653 --> 00:29:58,053
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, he goes in Awkland.

638
00:29:58,413 --> 00:29:58,653
Speaker 15: Yeah.

639
00:30:00,093 --> 00:30:04,213
Speaker 14: Oh okay, Well you're probably well you probably you probably

640
00:30:04,213 --> 00:30:06,293
Speaker 14: all your buses are broken down, aren't there anyway?

641
00:30:06,773 --> 00:30:08,773
Speaker 2: A lot of them. Yeah, it's a lot of them

642
00:30:08,773 --> 00:30:23,853
Speaker 2: are broken down on this side. Broken glass fire.

643
00:30:17,133 --> 00:30:20,933
Speaker 14: The nothing in every school and overrew up in the

644
00:30:20,973 --> 00:30:24,293
Speaker 14: seventies and eighties at school and everyone had a dentist

645
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:25,813
Speaker 14: at school or did you just go out of the

646
00:30:25,853 --> 00:30:28,253
Speaker 14: classroom and go the dentess boom, and everything.

647
00:30:28,013 --> 00:30:31,333
Speaker 2: Was lovely, didn't They fell every didn't They fell every

648
00:30:32,213 --> 00:30:35,173
Speaker 2: natural fisher in your teeth as it wasn't. There was

649
00:30:35,213 --> 00:30:35,813
Speaker 2: sort of a felling.

650
00:30:36,293 --> 00:30:38,773
Speaker 14: I reckon they were I reckon. They were all cranees

651
00:30:38,973 --> 00:30:40,853
Speaker 14: and all they did was just draw holes in your

652
00:30:40,893 --> 00:30:46,093
Speaker 14: teeth to learn. Because just when I was older, he said,

653
00:30:46,253 --> 00:30:49,253
Speaker 14: well you got going, you wod he goes because we

654
00:30:49,373 --> 00:30:53,293
Speaker 14: never hit as he directs or anything like that. And

655
00:30:53,453 --> 00:30:55,813
Speaker 14: now I look back at it because now they're ripping

656
00:30:55,853 --> 00:30:57,853
Speaker 14: the wall out and just put white fallings in, you know,

657
00:30:58,053 --> 00:30:58,573
Speaker 14: so your plan?

658
00:30:59,333 --> 00:31:03,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what was that stuff? When they putting? They

659
00:31:03,133 --> 00:31:05,053
Speaker 2: were using mercury as well, weren't they back in the

660
00:31:05,093 --> 00:31:07,493
Speaker 2: day in New Zealand and that the dentalness was what

661
00:31:07,533 --> 00:31:12,133
Speaker 2: do they call it? Quicksil? What were they using mercury?

662
00:31:12,573 --> 00:31:14,533
Speaker 4: They did go crazy with the fillings. I think it

663
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,453
Speaker 4: was just an excuse to checking a filling to make

664
00:31:16,493 --> 00:31:17,613
Speaker 4: their day a bit more interesting.

665
00:31:18,773 --> 00:31:21,373
Speaker 14: Well, we had the sattle with those old drills with

666
00:31:21,493 --> 00:31:24,133
Speaker 14: the belt driven things like the belt drive ones and

667
00:31:24,253 --> 00:31:29,613
Speaker 14: there like grinders or anything like that. They used to

668
00:31:29,613 --> 00:31:31,493
Speaker 14: put let the straps on your hands and tie you

669
00:31:31,493 --> 00:31:37,413
Speaker 14: into the seats, you know, terrible. So here you go

670
00:31:38,733 --> 00:31:42,333
Speaker 14: before I before I leave the other goodwinners or they're

671
00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:45,893
Speaker 14: talking about sugary texts and all drunks and stuff. Why

672
00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:48,773
Speaker 14: can't we just get mister Luxon to do a Donald

673
00:31:48,813 --> 00:31:54,213
Speaker 14: Trump and put mess of piffs on American Coca cola

674
00:31:54,293 --> 00:31:59,453
Speaker 14: and physicric products. Just put two terrace. Don't put texts

675
00:31:59,453 --> 00:32:01,653
Speaker 14: on New Zealand. Don't don't text the tech power in

676
00:32:01,733 --> 00:32:06,373
Speaker 14: New Zealand. He texts the person that's making the drunks overseas.

677
00:32:06,693 --> 00:32:08,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be interesting to know how much it comes

678
00:32:08,773 --> 00:32:11,493
Speaker 2: in directly from overseas and how much is bottled in

679
00:32:11,533 --> 00:32:15,293
Speaker 2: New Zealand. You know it we make it here.

680
00:32:15,853 --> 00:32:17,573
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm pretty sure there.

681
00:32:17,453 --> 00:32:20,213
Speaker 2: Is bottling in New Zealand. I think so. I mean,

682
00:32:20,253 --> 00:32:22,413
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of the profits go back to America.

683
00:32:23,493 --> 00:32:29,533
Speaker 14: I'm just going shut them down, just shut barricade them. Well,

684
00:32:29,573 --> 00:32:33,773
Speaker 14: the DOORSMP, a.

685
00:32:33,733 --> 00:32:36,293
Speaker 2: Bunch of the pup, a bunch of quicksilver in there.

686
00:32:37,373 --> 00:32:40,213
Speaker 14: Yeah, welcome up with dental flos.

687
00:32:42,253 --> 00:32:46,013
Speaker 2: These are smart ideas. They're around a need that kind

688
00:32:46,013 --> 00:32:48,213
Speaker 2: of common sense thinking out there in the community.

689
00:32:48,573 --> 00:32:51,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, just shut them down. Shut them down, Kevin, thank

690
00:32:51,173 --> 00:32:51,613
Speaker 3: you very much.

691
00:32:51,693 --> 00:32:51,813
Speaker 12: Joe.

692
00:32:51,853 --> 00:32:54,133
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

693
00:32:54,253 --> 00:32:56,733
Speaker 3: it is, according to love to get your thoughts about

694
00:32:56,733 --> 00:33:00,013
Speaker 3: this idea of a sugar tacks on drinks, Coca Cola, soda,

695
00:33:00,053 --> 00:33:01,773
Speaker 3: et cetera. Is it a good idea?

696
00:33:01,933 --> 00:33:03,573
Speaker 4: Can it work if some of that money goes back

697
00:33:03,613 --> 00:33:07,053
Speaker 4: into funding subsidized dental care? Love to hear your thoughts.

698
00:33:07,053 --> 00:33:08,653
Speaker 4: And if you've recently been to a dean, just how

699
00:33:08,693 --> 00:33:10,573
Speaker 4: much did it cost you? I eight one hundred eighty

700
00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:11,733
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number of call.

701
00:33:11,853 --> 00:33:14,253
Speaker 2: This business is Amalgam fillings is what they were called.

702
00:33:14,253 --> 00:33:16,773
Speaker 2: That's what Donna says. So they were that? Were they

703
00:33:16,813 --> 00:33:17,693
Speaker 2: the mercury ones?

704
00:33:17,733 --> 00:33:20,013
Speaker 3: Because certainly on they had to rip back out as.

705
00:33:19,853 --> 00:33:22,653
Speaker 2: We know from we know mercury's very bad for you,

706
00:33:23,213 --> 00:33:25,013
Speaker 2: as certainly is Marie Curi down, didn't it?

707
00:33:25,373 --> 00:33:27,613
Speaker 3: Yeah? It is. It's quartered to to.

708
00:33:29,613 --> 00:33:32,973
Speaker 1: Madd Heath Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

709
00:33:33,013 --> 00:33:36,453
Speaker 1: on mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

710
00:33:36,493 --> 00:33:38,213
Speaker 3: It'd be for a good afternoon to you.

711
00:33:38,253 --> 00:33:41,293
Speaker 4: We're talking about the Dental Association's Oral Health Row map.

712
00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:43,613
Speaker 4: One of the big recommendations or calls is for a

713
00:33:43,653 --> 00:33:45,453
Speaker 4: sugar tax on fizzy.

714
00:33:45,693 --> 00:33:47,453
Speaker 3: What do you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

715
00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:48,333
Speaker 3: is the number to call.

716
00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:51,653
Speaker 2: Coca Cola made in Wellington. There's two trucks and trailers

717
00:33:51,693 --> 00:33:55,293
Speaker 2: running twenty four to seven delivering sugary drinks from Chelsea

718
00:33:55,373 --> 00:33:56,053
Speaker 2: Sugar Factory.

719
00:33:56,053 --> 00:33:56,373
Speaker 1: There you go.

720
00:33:57,373 --> 00:34:01,453
Speaker 2: Francis used to be a dentalness. This is correct.

721
00:34:01,813 --> 00:34:04,533
Speaker 15: I was just bringing up to say we did a

722
00:34:04,573 --> 00:34:09,332
Speaker 15: fantastic job looking after the children's peace those years ago.

723
00:34:10,213 --> 00:34:11,813
Speaker 3: Yes, you did. Absolutely.

724
00:34:11,853 --> 00:34:14,013
Speaker 2: You didn't fill too many holes that didn't need to

725
00:34:14,053 --> 00:34:14,733
Speaker 2: be filled.

726
00:34:14,813 --> 00:34:18,573
Speaker 15: Frances, No, I didn't do that. I promise you I

727
00:34:18,613 --> 00:34:19,253
Speaker 15: don't do that.

728
00:34:20,813 --> 00:34:20,973
Speaker 16: Hey.

729
00:34:21,013 --> 00:34:24,013
Speaker 2: So if we talk before, I was talking about amalgam fillings.

730
00:34:24,173 --> 00:34:26,212
Speaker 2: So they do have mercury in them, don't they. They've

731
00:34:26,213 --> 00:34:29,573
Speaker 2: got they've got mixture of metals. They've got primarily silver,

732
00:34:29,613 --> 00:34:31,693
Speaker 2: they've got tin, they've got copper, they got mercury. But

733
00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:34,453
Speaker 2: now the mercury is bound so it's it doesn't get

734
00:34:34,493 --> 00:34:36,453
Speaker 2: into your system. Is that right? So it's safe.

735
00:34:37,293 --> 00:34:40,213
Speaker 15: Yeah, Well we would mix them up in a little

736
00:34:40,253 --> 00:34:44,213
Speaker 15: water and pestel. I'm quite a bit older, so yeah,

737
00:34:44,253 --> 00:34:47,253
Speaker 15: but now they don't do that, They don't handle it

738
00:34:47,253 --> 00:34:52,053
Speaker 15: at all. But yes, we did. We did handle the Yeah,

739
00:34:52,093 --> 00:34:54,973
Speaker 15: the mercury. Well, we didn't try and handle.

740
00:34:54,653 --> 00:34:55,413
Speaker 14: It, but we did.

741
00:34:55,733 --> 00:34:57,973
Speaker 15: Yeah, it did come in contact with us.

742
00:34:58,253 --> 00:34:58,493
Speaker 16: Yes.

743
00:34:58,773 --> 00:35:00,493
Speaker 2: Now, my mom told me when she was a kid

744
00:35:00,493 --> 00:35:04,053
Speaker 2: that her dentleness used to give it to mercury because

745
00:35:04,093 --> 00:35:06,692
Speaker 2: the way it reacts with light and with each other,

746
00:35:06,733 --> 00:35:08,853
Speaker 2: that they used to give it to kid to play with,

747
00:35:08,893 --> 00:35:10,573
Speaker 2: and they called it quicksilver. Is that is that true?

748
00:35:10,813 --> 00:35:12,333
Speaker 2: I mean, my mum wouldn't lie.

749
00:35:12,253 --> 00:35:15,652
Speaker 15: But no, she wouldn't lie. And and I remember that

750
00:35:15,733 --> 00:35:18,653
Speaker 15: as a child, we used to go and my friend's

751
00:35:18,733 --> 00:35:21,093
Speaker 15: mother was a dental nurse, and we used to go

752
00:35:21,133 --> 00:35:23,413
Speaker 15: and visit her, and she'd put it in a little

753
00:35:23,493 --> 00:35:27,933
Speaker 15: boo box which was part of our equipment, and we'd

754
00:35:27,933 --> 00:35:31,373
Speaker 15: watch it float around and then join together. You're correct,

755
00:35:31,533 --> 00:35:34,172
Speaker 15: but I just do that. In my time, we you know,

756
00:35:34,213 --> 00:35:39,093
Speaker 15: we were aware of the health risks of the mercury.

757
00:35:39,493 --> 00:35:42,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, because mercury poisoning is a serious thing, isn't it.

758
00:35:42,653 --> 00:35:46,733
Speaker 2: I'm just looking here, And it can cause muscle weakness,

759
00:35:46,773 --> 00:35:50,293
Speaker 2: poor coordination, numbness in the hands and feet, skin rashes, anxiety,

760
00:35:50,533 --> 00:35:55,293
Speaker 2: memory problems, trouble speaking, trouble hearing, trouble seeing. Sounds quite

761
00:35:55,293 --> 00:35:58,613
Speaker 2: serious at high levels. But but but the stuff in

762
00:35:58,613 --> 00:36:01,413
Speaker 2: your feelings is bonded, it's you know, so it's not

763
00:36:01,173 --> 00:36:03,213
Speaker 2: it's never going to be causing a problem.

764
00:36:04,573 --> 00:36:06,133
Speaker 14: It's not.

765
00:36:06,733 --> 00:36:08,493
Speaker 4: So what was what was the process when you are

766
00:36:08,573 --> 00:36:11,053
Speaker 4: dental news Francis When a kid came in and it

767
00:36:11,093 --> 00:36:13,252
Speaker 4: was a scheduled appointment and you could see they needed

768
00:36:13,253 --> 00:36:15,253
Speaker 4: a filling, did you have to go through that process

769
00:36:15,333 --> 00:36:17,812
Speaker 4: of letting their parents know or could you just get

770
00:36:17,853 --> 00:36:19,493
Speaker 4: stuck in pretty quickly?

771
00:36:19,533 --> 00:36:20,493
Speaker 3: What was the situation?

772
00:36:21,693 --> 00:36:24,493
Speaker 15: Well, in my time, we were able to repair those

773
00:36:25,053 --> 00:36:28,333
Speaker 15: you know, those fillings. If there was extensive work, we

774
00:36:28,413 --> 00:36:33,613
Speaker 15: would definitely be contacting Paris and letting them know. Yeah,

775
00:36:33,653 --> 00:36:36,692
Speaker 15: but a lot of our work was actually we did.

776
00:36:36,893 --> 00:36:39,373
Speaker 15: We used to go into the classroom and spend time

777
00:36:40,053 --> 00:36:43,652
Speaker 15: in the class doing dental health lessons and things like that.

778
00:36:45,613 --> 00:36:49,413
Speaker 15: I wasn't at my time, there wasn't huge pressure on

779
00:36:49,893 --> 00:36:53,013
Speaker 15: treating the children. We saw the children every six months.

780
00:36:53,413 --> 00:36:57,333
Speaker 15: We would do the dental health lessons and see the

781
00:36:57,653 --> 00:37:00,213
Speaker 15: little children before they went to school, see them and

782
00:37:00,693 --> 00:37:05,493
Speaker 15: introduce them to you know, God, or or hygiene. I

783
00:37:05,493 --> 00:37:09,773
Speaker 15: think that's one of the keys, is Yeah, looking after

784
00:37:10,173 --> 00:37:11,853
Speaker 15: after your aural hygiene.

785
00:37:11,853 --> 00:37:12,933
Speaker 14: That's so important.

786
00:37:14,413 --> 00:37:16,413
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call. Francis. Hey, do

787
00:37:16,413 --> 00:37:17,973
Speaker 2: you know I just found out because I was just thinking,

788
00:37:18,013 --> 00:37:22,133
Speaker 2: you know, like the famous chemist I guess you called

789
00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:24,813
Speaker 2: him Marie Curry. So I always thought she died from

790
00:37:24,813 --> 00:37:27,773
Speaker 2: mercury poisoning, and I thought it was hugely She was

791
00:37:27,773 --> 00:37:30,213
Speaker 2: the first woman to win a Nobel Prize, and she

792
00:37:30,253 --> 00:37:32,333
Speaker 2: won it twice actually for her field. But I always

793
00:37:32,373 --> 00:37:35,253
Speaker 2: thought it was ironic that she died of mercury poison poisoning.

794
00:37:35,773 --> 00:37:41,733
Speaker 2: But no, disappointingly, she died from exposure to radiation in

795
00:37:41,773 --> 00:37:43,213
Speaker 2: the course of her scientific research.

796
00:37:43,573 --> 00:37:44,613
Speaker 3: Well that's still pretty fall on.

797
00:37:44,773 --> 00:37:46,693
Speaker 2: Now it's full on that she died that way, absolutely,

798
00:37:46,733 --> 00:37:48,493
Speaker 2: but I always thought it was I don't know why

799
00:37:48,493 --> 00:37:50,853
Speaker 2: I thought she died. Her name was Marie Curry and

800
00:37:50,893 --> 00:37:53,413
Speaker 2: she died of mercury poisoning. I had that one wrong.

801
00:37:54,133 --> 00:37:55,933
Speaker 3: Very good ride back, very shortly.

802
00:37:56,173 --> 00:38:00,333
Speaker 1: It's eight to two, Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your

803
00:38:00,373 --> 00:38:03,013
Speaker 1: calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad

804
00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:05,693
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

805
00:38:05,133 --> 00:38:07,373
Speaker 3: News DOGSB, News DOGSB.

806
00:38:07,453 --> 00:38:10,133
Speaker 4: It is five too and we are talking about a

807
00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:13,853
Speaker 4: tax on fizzy drinks. The Dental Associations has been calling

808
00:38:13,893 --> 00:38:16,013
Speaker 4: for it. Plenty of tacks coming through on this one.

809
00:38:16,093 --> 00:38:18,133
Speaker 2: Hi, they introduced sugar tacks in Britain and noticed to

810
00:38:18,173 --> 00:38:19,973
Speaker 2: drop and tooth decay. So I think it's a good

811
00:38:20,013 --> 00:38:22,053
Speaker 2: idea for dental health. Meg, Well, maybe it's a good

812
00:38:22,053 --> 00:38:26,013
Speaker 2: idea for dental health. But their mental ramifications and the

813
00:38:26,053 --> 00:38:28,693
Speaker 2: mental health ratifications of constantly telling the population of a

814
00:38:28,733 --> 00:38:31,053
Speaker 2: country that they're babies, that they're not even good enough,

815
00:38:31,373 --> 00:38:33,573
Speaker 2: and they're not even competent enough to look after their teeth.

816
00:38:33,573 --> 00:38:36,053
Speaker 2: I think I think that that can start to get

817
00:38:36,053 --> 00:38:39,053
Speaker 2: to people. You're useless, you can't even doing anything. Next thing,

818
00:38:39,053 --> 00:38:42,293
Speaker 2: you know, we're having to go into the bathroom with

819
00:38:42,333 --> 00:38:45,172
Speaker 2: them with some tpee. Your Mum's right. We had all

820
00:38:45,213 --> 00:38:47,653
Speaker 2: mercury fillings back then and would sit in the waiting

821
00:38:47,693 --> 00:38:49,813
Speaker 2: room playing with a blob of mercury that would run

822
00:38:49,853 --> 00:38:52,533
Speaker 2: on your hands back and forth likeily. My kids now

823
00:38:52,613 --> 00:38:54,933
Speaker 2: get the white fillings and a little bumblebee made out

824
00:38:54,973 --> 00:38:57,613
Speaker 2: of a sponge from the dental nurse love Sam Hill.

825
00:38:58,213 --> 00:39:00,173
Speaker 3: What a time, What a time Coca.

826
00:38:59,853 --> 00:39:02,692
Speaker 2: Has made in Auckland on come it is carbon road? Yeah,

827
00:39:02,733 --> 00:39:04,533
Speaker 2: I knew that. That nice text has said that. You know

828
00:39:04,573 --> 00:39:07,133
Speaker 2: that the Coca has made here. So putting a Trump

829
00:39:07,213 --> 00:39:10,093
Speaker 2: like tariff on on wouldn't work because we're making it here.

830
00:39:10,573 --> 00:39:12,893
Speaker 4: Yeah, but shutting it down might, as Kevin wanted to do.

831
00:39:13,173 --> 00:39:15,893
Speaker 4: Just shut it down, weld the doors together. This one

832
00:39:16,213 --> 00:39:18,693
Speaker 4: sugary text is a waste of time. Let's educate people.

833
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:22,173
Speaker 4: Do we tax heavily sugar fruit juice? No, we don't.

834
00:39:22,373 --> 00:39:26,652
Speaker 3: It is the thin edge of the wedge, right right,

835
00:39:26,693 --> 00:39:28,893
Speaker 3: we don't. Yeah, good discussion that one.

836
00:39:28,973 --> 00:39:31,773
Speaker 4: Thank you very much to everyone who phoned and called

837
00:39:31,773 --> 00:39:34,133
Speaker 4: on that one, because coming up next we've got Ben

838
00:39:34,253 --> 00:39:37,853
Speaker 4: O'Keeffe on the program World renowned reef. But we want

839
00:39:37,893 --> 00:39:40,533
Speaker 4: to have a chat about how we treat referees in

840
00:39:40,613 --> 00:39:41,453
Speaker 4: this country.

841
00:39:41,493 --> 00:39:42,573
Speaker 3: Do we need to do better?

842
00:39:42,813 --> 00:39:43,013
Speaker 9: Yeah?

843
00:39:43,053 --> 00:39:44,813
Speaker 2: I think we need to treat them like heroes instead

844
00:39:44,853 --> 00:39:46,853
Speaker 2: of villian villains, so we get more of them out

845
00:39:46,893 --> 00:39:50,613
Speaker 2: there on the weekends officiating the games our kids play.

846
00:39:51,373 --> 00:39:53,293
Speaker 4: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten to eighty is the

847
00:39:53,373 --> 00:39:55,373
Speaker 4: number to call love to hear your thoughts about how

848
00:39:55,413 --> 00:39:58,893
Speaker 4: we treat referees in New Zealand. But Ben O'Keefe will

849
00:39:58,933 --> 00:40:02,453
Speaker 4: be joining us live in about five minutes. New Sport

850
00:40:02,493 --> 00:40:04,333
Speaker 4: and weather on its way. Listening to Matt and Tyler,

851
00:40:04,613 --> 00:40:06,933
Speaker 4: I hope you're having a great afternoon.

852
00:40:11,493 --> 00:40:12,212
Speaker 17: Little.

853
00:40:15,693 --> 00:40:19,013
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

854
00:40:19,053 --> 00:40:21,333
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

855
00:40:21,373 --> 00:40:21,613
Speaker 12: It be.

856
00:40:28,573 --> 00:40:31,893
Speaker 4: Your company as always, So do we have an issue

857
00:40:31,893 --> 00:40:33,733
Speaker 4: with the way that we treat referees in New Zealand.

858
00:40:33,773 --> 00:40:35,533
Speaker 4: It was a cool story in The Herald yesterday. It

859
00:40:35,573 --> 00:40:38,253
Speaker 4: was part of Shane Curry's Great New Zealand road trip

860
00:40:38,413 --> 00:40:41,293
Speaker 4: where Shane is traveling around the country taking the temperature

861
00:40:41,453 --> 00:40:43,653
Speaker 4: of the mood of the nation. He's chatting to kiwis

862
00:40:43,653 --> 00:40:46,453
Speaker 4: from all walks of life, including some of our biggest achievers,

863
00:40:46,493 --> 00:40:50,253
Speaker 4: and one of those people was world renowned rugby referee

864
00:40:50,253 --> 00:40:53,093
Speaker 4: Ben O'Keeffe, And it was just great to actually see

865
00:40:53,093 --> 00:40:55,853
Speaker 4: one of our greats, one of our best referees, one

866
00:40:55,853 --> 00:40:59,013
Speaker 4: of the best referees in the world, herod and celebrated

867
00:40:59,133 --> 00:41:02,652
Speaker 4: for his amazing success and the work that he's done.

868
00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:05,853
Speaker 2: Matt, Yeah, absolutely, I mean, as I keep saying, you know,

869
00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:09,533
Speaker 2: referees are so important, you know, is really important. Sport

870
00:41:09,613 --> 00:41:12,733
Speaker 2: is important for young people. Sport is actually important for

871
00:41:12,773 --> 00:41:15,693
Speaker 2: people of every age, but especially Rugby union is a

872
00:41:15,693 --> 00:41:19,613
Speaker 2: sport that absolutely needs officiating. It has an incredibly long,

873
00:41:19,733 --> 00:41:23,573
Speaker 2: complicated rule book. You know, you compare the rule book

874
00:41:24,093 --> 00:41:29,613
Speaker 2: of ropy union to soccer football, so much more complicated,

875
00:41:29,613 --> 00:41:31,733
Speaker 2: and it needs officiators out there. So if sport is

876
00:41:31,733 --> 00:41:33,172
Speaker 2: going to do the good in the community, then we

877
00:41:33,213 --> 00:41:36,013
Speaker 2: need refs at all levels. And to get refs at

878
00:41:36,013 --> 00:41:38,933
Speaker 2: all levels, we need to treat them well so people

879
00:41:38,933 --> 00:41:40,413
Speaker 2: want to get into it and want to devote that

880
00:41:40,493 --> 00:41:43,453
Speaker 2: much of their life to the job. So if we're

881
00:41:43,453 --> 00:41:45,493
Speaker 2: always just abusing refs on the couch in front of

882
00:41:45,573 --> 00:41:49,692
Speaker 2: our kids or on social media or screaming them from

883
00:41:49,733 --> 00:41:56,652
Speaker 2: the sideline at school level games or higher, then we're

884
00:41:56,693 --> 00:41:59,692
Speaker 2: really what you're doing is in my belief, undercutting the game,

885
00:41:59,973 --> 00:42:02,133
Speaker 2: and you're undercutting the ability of the game to go

886
00:42:02,253 --> 00:42:05,172
Speaker 2: forward if you keep doing that. So I think it's

887
00:42:05,173 --> 00:42:07,973
Speaker 2: something that's worth discussion discussing. So that was great to

888
00:42:07,973 --> 00:42:11,613
Speaker 2: see Curry's article. We're heroing a referee as opposed to

889
00:42:11,693 --> 00:42:12,773
Speaker 2: villainizing one.

890
00:42:13,053 --> 00:42:15,652
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I wait under an eighty ten eighty Really keen

891
00:42:15,693 --> 00:42:17,453
Speaker 4: to have a chat with you on this one. If

892
00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:19,533
Speaker 4: you're in the refereeing game. Do we have a problem

893
00:42:19,533 --> 00:42:21,172
Speaker 4: here in New Zealand with the way that we treat

894
00:42:21,293 --> 00:42:24,333
Speaker 4: reefs and the abuse that gets thrown out at the

895
00:42:24,373 --> 00:42:28,493
Speaker 4: sidelines and often online. Really keen to to have this discussion.

896
00:42:28,533 --> 00:42:30,813
Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two is the text number. If we

897
00:42:30,853 --> 00:42:32,933
Speaker 4: do have an issue, how do we change that around?

898
00:42:33,093 --> 00:42:35,013
Speaker 4: As you were saying, Matt starts at home. If you're

899
00:42:35,013 --> 00:42:37,133
Speaker 4: screaming at the Italian we've all been guilty of there,

900
00:42:37,133 --> 00:42:40,053
Speaker 4: well most of us anyway. Is that the thing that

901
00:42:40,093 --> 00:42:43,093
Speaker 4: needs to stop and be you know, it starts with

902
00:42:44,053 --> 00:42:46,013
Speaker 4: what the children are seeing you yelling at the at

903
00:42:46,053 --> 00:42:48,013
Speaker 4: the screen. That's probably a big part of it, right, Well,

904
00:42:48,013 --> 00:42:49,732
Speaker 4: I certainly saw my old man scream at the TV

905
00:42:49,813 --> 00:42:50,053
Speaker 4: a lot.

906
00:42:50,333 --> 00:42:53,373
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean it's understandable, you know, because if

907
00:42:53,413 --> 00:42:55,533
Speaker 2: you're really passionate about a game and you feel like

908
00:42:56,013 --> 00:42:58,093
Speaker 2: a referee is made a mistake. I mean, let's be honest,

909
00:42:58,133 --> 00:42:59,493
Speaker 2: most of the time people are screaming at the TV,

910
00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:01,732
Speaker 2: it's that they don't know the rule specially, I mean,

911
00:43:01,733 --> 00:43:04,053
Speaker 2: how many key we actually have their head completely around

912
00:43:04,133 --> 00:43:06,573
Speaker 2: the breakdown laws be I'd be interested the amount of

913
00:43:06,613 --> 00:43:09,172
Speaker 2: people that are screaming, you know, especially on sideline. They're

914
00:43:09,373 --> 00:43:11,773
Speaker 2: sixty meters back on a thirty three degree angle and

915
00:43:11,813 --> 00:43:13,693
Speaker 2: they're screaming at the ref for getting it wrong. But

916
00:43:13,773 --> 00:43:15,533
Speaker 2: so I get the passion because we care about it

917
00:43:15,573 --> 00:43:17,573
Speaker 2: and it's a and it's a part of the game

918
00:43:17,693 --> 00:43:21,173
Speaker 2: that we can focus our we focus our anger on

919
00:43:21,253 --> 00:43:24,253
Speaker 2: because it seems to affect us badly. But I don't know,

920
00:43:24,453 --> 00:43:25,733
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a good way to go

921
00:43:25,773 --> 00:43:28,333
Speaker 2: forward if we if we do that, especially in front

922
00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:28,933
Speaker 2: of the kids, you know.

923
00:43:29,373 --> 00:43:31,732
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the number

924
00:43:31,733 --> 00:43:33,613
Speaker 4: to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

925
00:43:33,613 --> 00:43:35,573
Speaker 4: There's going to be a great discussion. But coming up

926
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Speaker 4: after the break, we are going to chat with Ben O'Keeffe,

927
00:43:38,253 --> 00:43:41,853
Speaker 4: world renowned rugby referee, which we're very much looking forward to.

928
00:43:41,893 --> 00:43:43,053
Speaker 3: It is ten pass two.

929
00:43:43,373 --> 00:43:46,773
Speaker 2: Stop the blame because no ref, no game, says this.

930
00:43:46,853 --> 00:43:49,853
Speaker 2: Texter as a slogan nicely said, yeah, jump on that.

931
00:43:51,893 --> 00:43:56,093
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons,

932
00:43:56,293 --> 00:43:59,213
Speaker 1: call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk sai'd

933
00:43:59,213 --> 00:44:01,652
Speaker 1: be for.

934
00:44:01,733 --> 00:44:04,573
Speaker 3: A good afternoon. It is twelve past two. Well.

935
00:44:04,573 --> 00:44:07,973
Speaker 4: Ben o'keef is New Zealand's most experienced rugby union referee,

936
00:44:08,013 --> 00:44:11,013
Speaker 4: having officiated a record breaking two hundred and thirty four

937
00:44:11,053 --> 00:44:14,333
Speaker 4: first class games. He is yeah incredible record. He is

938
00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:17,172
Speaker 4: the first New Zealand official to referee fifty international Test

939
00:44:17,213 --> 00:44:20,053
Speaker 4: matches and is the only New Zealand referee to have

940
00:44:20,133 --> 00:44:23,053
Speaker 4: been in the middle for more than one hundred Super

941
00:44:23,133 --> 00:44:25,853
Speaker 4: Rugby games. And he joins us on the line. Now, Ben,

942
00:44:25,893 --> 00:44:27,933
Speaker 4: get out of you guys.

943
00:44:27,933 --> 00:44:29,973
Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, Hey Tyler, how are you very good? Thanks

944
00:44:29,973 --> 00:44:31,053
Speaker 2: for talking to us. You're a bit of a heart

945
00:44:31,093 --> 00:44:33,693
Speaker 2: throb as well. Actually I've watched a few games and

946
00:44:33,733 --> 00:44:36,053
Speaker 2: you've very popular with the ladies, so you know, do

947
00:44:36,893 --> 00:44:41,133
Speaker 2: with that as you will. Hey, how do you raise

948
00:44:41,533 --> 00:44:45,293
Speaker 2: rise through the ranks to become an international referee? How

949
00:44:45,333 --> 00:44:47,253
Speaker 2: does it start and how do you get there to

950
00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:47,813
Speaker 2: the very top?

951
00:44:48,733 --> 00:44:49,773
Speaker 18: Well, it was a little bit of luck and a

952
00:44:49,773 --> 00:44:52,613
Speaker 18: little bit of hard work involved. It's very similar to players.

953
00:44:52,653 --> 00:44:55,373
Speaker 18: I think in any sport, you obviously fall in love

954
00:44:55,413 --> 00:44:58,733
Speaker 18: with the sport that you're involved in. And for me,

955
00:44:58,933 --> 00:45:00,493
Speaker 18: I played rugby and I was younger, I grew up

956
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:03,453
Speaker 18: at went to Mobile Boys and you know, love throwing

957
00:45:03,453 --> 00:45:05,853
Speaker 18: the footy round. But when I went to university and

958
00:45:06,133 --> 00:45:08,573
Speaker 18: guys sort of wanted to be all back, sort of

959
00:45:08,613 --> 00:45:11,493
Speaker 18: their skills took over, and I just decided I wanted

960
00:45:11,533 --> 00:45:13,933
Speaker 18: to stay involved in the game, and I just keep referring.

961
00:45:13,973 --> 00:45:18,293
Speaker 18: So and you go through the levels of club rugby juniors, seniors,

962
00:45:18,653 --> 00:45:20,692
Speaker 18: bit of NPC, and then you know, if you're lucky

963
00:45:20,773 --> 00:45:23,252
Speaker 18: enough and you know you get on the right track,

964
00:45:23,293 --> 00:45:26,413
Speaker 18: you can be given contracts to do do super rugbi

965
00:45:26,413 --> 00:45:28,413
Speaker 18: in international games. So I sort of you sort of

966
00:45:28,453 --> 00:45:31,253
Speaker 18: just follow that player path and you're very very grateful

967
00:45:31,253 --> 00:45:31,613
Speaker 18: to do it.

968
00:45:32,213 --> 00:45:33,973
Speaker 2: So how many reps, you know, how many games you

969
00:45:33,973 --> 00:45:36,533
Speaker 2: have to do before you get get tapped or is

970
00:45:36,533 --> 00:45:39,613
Speaker 2: it just the people out there looking for referee talent?

971
00:45:40,413 --> 00:45:42,453
Speaker 19: Yes, so there's always this coaches assessors.

972
00:45:42,493 --> 00:45:45,573
Speaker 18: Obviously a lot of feedback from from coaches of games

973
00:45:45,573 --> 00:45:48,172
Speaker 18: and teams as well. So I've got a pretty good

974
00:45:48,213 --> 00:45:51,013
Speaker 18: reputation down at Otago referring some good foot down there,

975
00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:53,013
Speaker 18: and luckily I was out of you know, do my

976
00:45:53,093 --> 00:45:56,893
Speaker 18: time down there, a bit of learning and then obviously

977
00:45:56,933 --> 00:45:58,533
Speaker 18: got pushed up to the high ranks, which was which

978
00:45:58,533 --> 00:45:59,373
Speaker 18: I'm very fortunate for.

979
00:46:00,133 --> 00:46:01,933
Speaker 2: Do you love it? And what are the best parts?

980
00:46:01,973 --> 00:46:05,213
Speaker 2: If you do, look, I absolutely love it.

981
00:46:05,213 --> 00:46:08,733
Speaker 18: I love I love the challenge of hearing for a

982
00:46:08,733 --> 00:46:11,053
Speaker 18: Test match and you know, the Friday night at seven

983
00:46:11,173 --> 00:46:13,133
Speaker 18: thirty for a Saturday game, not knowing what the next

984
00:46:13,213 --> 00:46:15,573
Speaker 18: day is going to bring, but knowing that, Look, I've

985
00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:17,093
Speaker 18: prepared as much as I can. It's going to be great.

986
00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:20,413
Speaker 18: Let's go out there. I love the anthems. I love

987
00:46:20,653 --> 00:46:22,373
Speaker 18: just before I blow the whistle. There's always a really

988
00:46:22,373 --> 00:46:24,493
Speaker 18: good stadium engine that I've got going on in the

989
00:46:24,533 --> 00:46:26,333
Speaker 18: stadium at the time. I'm in the middle of the

990
00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:28,652
Speaker 18: field and I'm ready to go in, and I love that.

991
00:46:29,453 --> 00:46:31,573
Speaker 18: And I also love the aftermath. I think, you know,

992
00:46:31,613 --> 00:46:34,693
Speaker 18: reflecting on a game that's gone well is an amazing feeling,

993
00:46:34,733 --> 00:46:36,653
Speaker 18: and having you know, friends in the stadium watching it

994
00:46:36,733 --> 00:46:37,333
Speaker 18: is pretty cool.

995
00:46:37,613 --> 00:46:40,133
Speaker 3: I'm getting goosebumps here and you say that, Ben, wait,

996
00:46:40,173 --> 00:46:41,493
Speaker 3: do you have it? Sorry you go, Matt.

997
00:46:41,613 --> 00:46:43,133
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, what are the tough parts?

998
00:46:43,213 --> 00:46:44,933
Speaker 2: Then you know those are the great parts. What are

999
00:46:44,973 --> 00:46:46,053
Speaker 2: the tough parts been?

1000
00:46:46,813 --> 00:46:46,893
Speaker 20: Well?

1001
00:46:46,933 --> 00:46:48,692
Speaker 18: I think one of the tough thing is that like

1002
00:46:49,053 --> 00:46:51,053
Speaker 18: my personality, like I want to be good, I want

1003
00:46:51,053 --> 00:46:54,173
Speaker 18: to be perfect, and it's just a really hard job.

1004
00:46:54,373 --> 00:46:55,373
Speaker 19: And it is my job.

1005
00:46:55,373 --> 00:46:57,173
Speaker 18: It's a really hard job to actually do well and

1006
00:46:57,613 --> 00:47:00,813
Speaker 18: constantly because like I'm obviously constantly reviewing my games. We've

1007
00:47:00,813 --> 00:47:03,133
Speaker 18: got coaches review and my game's assess review of my games,

1008
00:47:03,133 --> 00:47:05,013
Speaker 18: and then you feel like, you know, the public reviews

1009
00:47:05,013 --> 00:47:07,453
Speaker 18: of your games as well, So it's really hard to and

1010
00:47:07,493 --> 00:47:09,373
Speaker 18: you can never actually get everyone sort of accepting that

1011
00:47:09,413 --> 00:47:10,212
Speaker 18: you've done a good job.

1012
00:47:10,293 --> 00:47:12,133
Speaker 19: So that's a big challenge.

1013
00:47:12,373 --> 00:47:14,013
Speaker 18: I think the challenge now that we're seeing a lot

1014
00:47:14,013 --> 00:47:16,333
Speaker 18: of them we've seen in the media too, is some

1015
00:47:16,373 --> 00:47:19,053
Speaker 18: of probably the abuse is happening on the sidelines, not

1016
00:47:19,133 --> 00:47:21,733
Speaker 18: just in international games. It's certainly just in the public

1017
00:47:21,773 --> 00:47:24,413
Speaker 18: and the community games we have, and then extends out

1018
00:47:24,613 --> 00:47:26,133
Speaker 18: to social media as well, which I think is a

1019
00:47:26,133 --> 00:47:27,813
Speaker 18: big problem in every sport.

1020
00:47:28,333 --> 00:47:32,333
Speaker 4: Their pressure that you undoubtedly feel as a referee, particularly

1021
00:47:32,373 --> 00:47:34,533
Speaker 4: at the higher levels, ben I take it there, your

1022
00:47:34,573 --> 00:47:37,333
Speaker 4: fellow referees, other colleagues feel that pressure as well.

1023
00:47:37,373 --> 00:47:38,292
Speaker 3: How do you deal with.

1024
00:47:38,213 --> 00:47:41,333
Speaker 4: That, particularly in the modern age where you are seeing

1025
00:47:41,333 --> 00:47:42,813
Speaker 4: that feedback and abuse come out.

1026
00:47:42,853 --> 00:47:46,173
Speaker 3: You're not just from the sidelines, but online, how.

1027
00:47:46,013 --> 00:47:48,333
Speaker 4: Do you know when you get home after a big

1028
00:47:48,373 --> 00:47:50,173
Speaker 4: game like that, how do you process that stuff?

1029
00:47:51,173 --> 00:47:52,213
Speaker 19: It is difficult.

1030
00:47:52,213 --> 00:47:53,692
Speaker 18: I think a lot of the pressure and we all

1031
00:47:53,693 --> 00:47:54,973
Speaker 18: do feel the same, you know, we want to do

1032
00:47:54,973 --> 00:47:56,773
Speaker 18: a good job. So the way I deal with a

1033
00:47:56,773 --> 00:47:58,373
Speaker 18: lot of pressure early on in the week is to

1034
00:47:58,373 --> 00:48:01,293
Speaker 18: prepare really well. So if I prepare really well for

1035
00:48:01,293 --> 00:48:04,373
Speaker 18: a game, so physically, mentally, and on the teams, and

1036
00:48:04,373 --> 00:48:05,733
Speaker 18: then I know I'm confident, so I can go in

1037
00:48:05,773 --> 00:48:07,453
Speaker 18: the game knowing that, look, I've done all I can.

1038
00:48:07,693 --> 00:48:10,093
Speaker 18: I'm going to do a good job. Even then you

1039
00:48:10,133 --> 00:48:12,933
Speaker 18: can make some mistakes, so I do a good review

1040
00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:15,413
Speaker 18: after the game, and it's all about learning. So that's

1041
00:48:15,453 --> 00:48:17,173
Speaker 18: that's kind of the learning cycle I do. So we

1042
00:48:17,253 --> 00:48:19,813
Speaker 18: can week out, I'm getting better. I try and close

1043
00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:22,373
Speaker 18: it there. But certainly some of the stuff that you

1044
00:48:22,933 --> 00:48:26,293
Speaker 18: see in the media, you know, there's only so much

1045
00:48:26,493 --> 00:48:28,212
Speaker 18: you can try and ignore it, and I really do.

1046
00:48:28,253 --> 00:48:30,893
Speaker 18: I try not to read the headlines or even the

1047
00:48:30,893 --> 00:48:33,413
Speaker 18: comments when games don't go well. I even have to

1048
00:48:33,413 --> 00:48:35,053
Speaker 18: do that when the games do go well, because you know,

1049
00:48:35,093 --> 00:48:36,893
Speaker 18: you can't just be searching for all the good things too,

1050
00:48:36,933 --> 00:48:40,652
Speaker 18: So it's it's difficult, it's been taking it's taken a

1051
00:48:40,693 --> 00:48:43,293
Speaker 18: lot of years probably just to be able to get

1052
00:48:43,333 --> 00:48:45,653
Speaker 18: used to it a lot better. So for someone on

1053
00:48:45,773 --> 00:48:48,053
Speaker 18: myself okay, been through a lot of it, that's a

1054
00:48:48,053 --> 00:48:49,653
Speaker 18: little bit easier to deal with. But I do feel

1055
00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:51,973
Speaker 18: for a lot of younger referees, not just in rugby

1056
00:48:52,013 --> 00:48:55,413
Speaker 18: but all sports who actually who aren't immune to this

1057
00:48:55,493 --> 00:48:58,333
Speaker 18: yet and they're going through it now at community levels,

1058
00:48:58,413 --> 00:49:01,133
Speaker 18: but you know also starting in the NBC, sup BROGI

1059
00:49:01,173 --> 00:49:02,013
Speaker 18: international levels.

1060
00:49:02,293 --> 00:49:04,652
Speaker 2: Do you think it's getting worse that that level of

1061
00:49:04,733 --> 00:49:07,293
Speaker 2: abuse that that referees get because you know, as I

1062
00:49:07,333 --> 00:49:08,893
Speaker 2: was saying in the intro to this, if we don't

1063
00:49:08,933 --> 00:49:11,732
Speaker 2: have refs, then there's no game. You know, there's no riff,

1064
00:49:11,773 --> 00:49:14,853
Speaker 2: there's no game. So if it's getting worse out of there,

1065
00:49:14,893 --> 00:49:17,453
Speaker 2: that that's not good for rugby as a whole.

1066
00:49:18,453 --> 00:49:20,413
Speaker 18: I think we're just adapting to what everyone's getting used

1067
00:49:20,453 --> 00:49:22,733
Speaker 18: to over the last or the decade. With you know,

1068
00:49:22,773 --> 00:49:26,933
Speaker 18: access to social media, access to things like fantasy rugula,

1069
00:49:27,013 --> 00:49:28,813
Speaker 18: people are actually, you know, in a good way, getting

1070
00:49:28,813 --> 00:49:31,213
Speaker 18: involved in sports a lot more online.

1071
00:49:31,293 --> 00:49:32,373
Speaker 19: You know, it's it's making it.

1072
00:49:32,293 --> 00:49:35,333
Speaker 18: More accessible to people globally, and that's what I love,

1073
00:49:35,373 --> 00:49:39,133
Speaker 18: you know, people who are a motive, who are passionate, who.

1074
00:49:39,013 --> 00:49:39,493
Speaker 19: Love the game.

1075
00:49:39,533 --> 00:49:42,093
Speaker 18: That's that's exactly what we want to try and bring

1076
00:49:42,213 --> 00:49:44,692
Speaker 18: up because it is an entertainment sport. So I think

1077
00:49:44,933 --> 00:49:46,933
Speaker 18: in some ways we're sort of trying to catch up

1078
00:49:46,933 --> 00:49:49,293
Speaker 18: with that in a way of how okay, we've got

1079
00:49:49,373 --> 00:49:53,493
Speaker 18: access to all this great media around sport, but how

1080
00:49:53,493 --> 00:49:55,652
Speaker 18: do we how to just temper it to make sure

1081
00:49:55,733 --> 00:49:59,333
Speaker 18: we protect our referees Because as I heard you guys

1082
00:49:59,333 --> 00:50:01,733
Speaker 18: saying before that, you know, it's all very well doing

1083
00:50:01,813 --> 00:50:04,053
Speaker 18: it on the TV and yelling at a player or

1084
00:50:04,133 --> 00:50:06,093
Speaker 18: yelling at a referee, but you know, as soon as

1085
00:50:06,133 --> 00:50:09,933
Speaker 18: that starts transcending down to the fields in the community levels,

1086
00:50:09,933 --> 00:50:11,252
Speaker 18: I think that's where it's quite quite poor.

1087
00:50:11,693 --> 00:50:14,053
Speaker 2: So do you think some work could be done around

1088
00:50:14,253 --> 00:50:17,813
Speaker 2: just our culture of blaming the red? Is there some

1089
00:50:18,653 --> 00:50:22,093
Speaker 2: is there some kind of education that could get out there,

1090
00:50:22,173 --> 00:50:24,172
Speaker 2: some kind of information that people know. I mean, it's

1091
00:50:24,173 --> 00:50:26,133
Speaker 2: great you you being in the public eye and doing

1092
00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:28,533
Speaker 2: the story with Shane Carrion, Thanks for talking to us today,

1093
00:50:28,573 --> 00:50:31,493
Speaker 2: because then you actually humanize the referee rather than just

1094
00:50:31,533 --> 00:50:34,172
Speaker 2: being the focus of people's anger because their team isn't

1095
00:50:34,213 --> 00:50:36,093
Speaker 2: doing as well as they want. If you see what

1096
00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:37,933
Speaker 2: I mean, you think there's if you've thought about how

1097
00:50:38,133 --> 00:50:40,493
Speaker 2: how the culture could be changed, yeah.

1098
00:50:40,293 --> 00:50:42,292
Speaker 19: I think there's definitely there needs to be a culture change,

1099
00:50:42,333 --> 00:50:43,093
Speaker 19: not just in New Zealand.

1100
00:50:43,093 --> 00:50:44,853
Speaker 18: This is a global problem and not just in rugby.

1101
00:50:44,933 --> 00:50:47,652
Speaker 18: So it's all sports, isn't it. So I'm big one

1102
00:50:47,693 --> 00:50:50,212
Speaker 18: trying to use my position to just make people more aware.

1103
00:50:50,253 --> 00:50:55,653
Speaker 18: I know there's companies like or campaigns an Auckland like Active.

1104
00:50:56,493 --> 00:50:58,773
Speaker 18: You love the games that the campaigns try and actually make,

1105
00:50:59,813 --> 00:51:02,533
Speaker 18: you know, people not just support referees, but support you know,

1106
00:51:02,973 --> 00:51:04,973
Speaker 18: kids and players, because you're right, if we don't have

1107
00:51:05,133 --> 00:51:06,813
Speaker 18: if we don't have referees, we don't have the game.

1108
00:51:06,853 --> 00:51:08,653
Speaker 18: But also if we don't have kids and join the

1109
00:51:08,693 --> 00:51:10,173
Speaker 18: game as well, we don't have the game. Eve So

1110
00:51:10,813 --> 00:51:13,133
Speaker 18: there's definitely a cultural thing. I think we're seeing a

1111
00:51:13,213 --> 00:51:15,333
Speaker 18: lot more like your stories in the media because there

1112
00:51:15,373 --> 00:51:17,173
Speaker 18: is more awareness of it. So I think in a

1113
00:51:17,213 --> 00:51:19,533
Speaker 18: roundab ways, right, that is that is a good thing.

1114
00:51:19,573 --> 00:51:23,213
Speaker 18: So people are talking about it more. There are headlines

1115
00:51:23,213 --> 00:51:25,373
Speaker 18: more because people are saying, actually, well, this isn't right,

1116
00:51:25,413 --> 00:51:27,373
Speaker 18: you know, there's we can. We can love the game,

1117
00:51:27,413 --> 00:51:29,053
Speaker 18: we can support the game, but I think it does

1118
00:51:29,093 --> 00:51:32,373
Speaker 18: cross the line when you know we're trying to you know, blame,

1119
00:51:32,453 --> 00:51:34,773
Speaker 18: blame referees for it, and especially if we're not willing

1120
00:51:34,773 --> 00:51:35,293
Speaker 18: to give it a go.

1121
00:51:35,493 --> 00:51:37,053
Speaker 19: So I think that's it's.

1122
00:51:36,933 --> 00:51:39,692
Speaker 18: A tough job and a lot of volunteers out there

1123
00:51:39,773 --> 00:51:41,652
Speaker 18: do it because they love the game too, So I

1124
00:51:41,733 --> 00:51:43,293
Speaker 18: just think we should we should always take that into

1125
00:51:43,293 --> 00:51:43,853
Speaker 18: the can as well.

1126
00:51:44,493 --> 00:51:46,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you do you ever blame the ref when

1127
00:51:46,533 --> 00:51:48,573
Speaker 2: you're watching a game? No?

1128
00:51:48,733 --> 00:51:51,493
Speaker 19: No, no, never, never, And I promise you, I say,

1129
00:51:51,613 --> 00:51:52,453
Speaker 19: because I know what it's like.

1130
00:51:52,533 --> 00:51:54,692
Speaker 18: But but i'd also know what it's like, you know,

1131
00:51:54,693 --> 00:51:57,133
Speaker 18: playing sports where you know you can get a little

1132
00:51:57,133 --> 00:51:59,652
Speaker 18: bit passionate about, you know, a call that's been made,

1133
00:51:59,693 --> 00:52:01,613
Speaker 18: so you know there's nothing wrong with that, but it's

1134
00:52:01,653 --> 00:52:02,253
Speaker 18: just it's just.

1135
00:52:02,213 --> 00:52:04,813
Speaker 17: What you do outside of that.

1136
00:52:04,853 --> 00:52:07,813
Speaker 18: It's what you do when you know you're sitting on

1137
00:52:07,813 --> 00:52:09,813
Speaker 18: your phone, you thinking about making a comment on a

1138
00:52:09,893 --> 00:52:13,093
Speaker 18: on a headline or to someone's personal page. I think

1139
00:52:13,133 --> 00:52:14,813
Speaker 18: that's when you know, that's where the culture I think

1140
00:52:14,853 --> 00:52:17,933
Speaker 18: should stopped there. But certainly, you know, we want to

1141
00:52:17,973 --> 00:52:22,253
Speaker 18: love the it's about knowing with draw the line.

1142
00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:24,053
Speaker 2: And did you feel when you're coming up because obviously

1143
00:52:24,133 --> 00:52:26,093
Speaker 2: now you're you're out on the field, you're you know,

1144
00:52:26,133 --> 00:52:28,253
Speaker 2: you're at the top of the game. So actually on

1145
00:52:28,293 --> 00:52:31,973
Speaker 2: the field, your you know, security everywhere, But did you

1146
00:52:32,053 --> 00:52:34,213
Speaker 2: ever have issues when you were coming up through the

1147
00:52:34,253 --> 00:52:37,253
Speaker 2: and the and the absolute grassroots of the game where

1148
00:52:37,413 --> 00:52:40,613
Speaker 2: you felt unsafe, where your you know, your physical safety

1149
00:52:40,653 --> 00:52:41,093
Speaker 2: was that threat.

1150
00:52:42,373 --> 00:52:45,093
Speaker 18: It is interesting like after every Superbiam or test match,

1151
00:52:45,333 --> 00:52:47,893
Speaker 18: you don't always get security to walk you off the field, right,

1152
00:52:48,293 --> 00:52:51,613
Speaker 18: but when they do walk you off, you're like, Okay,

1153
00:52:51,693 --> 00:52:53,453
Speaker 18: they must have been something they're having the game, but

1154
00:52:53,493 --> 00:52:58,453
Speaker 18: that's always a good look. Yeah, your reviews were being done.

1155
00:52:58,453 --> 00:53:01,253
Speaker 18: But now look, coming up, I thought, I think we

1156
00:53:01,253 --> 00:53:05,133
Speaker 18: were quite fortunate. You know, I certainly believe that. You know,

1157
00:53:05,133 --> 00:53:08,212
Speaker 18: I grew up with as a junior, with senior referees who,

1158
00:53:08,653 --> 00:53:11,212
Speaker 18: you know, they didn't have social media on their phone,

1159
00:53:11,213 --> 00:53:12,692
Speaker 18: you know, if they didn't want to read about the game,

1160
00:53:12,733 --> 00:53:15,373
Speaker 18: they just didn't read the newspaper. So it was almost

1161
00:53:15,413 --> 00:53:17,732
Speaker 18: like I've been able to bridge that and seeing how

1162
00:53:17,733 --> 00:53:21,133
Speaker 18: it's changed where now as I've come up, you know,

1163
00:53:21,173 --> 00:53:23,573
Speaker 18: every every junior referee has access to a phone now

1164
00:53:23,573 --> 00:53:27,653
Speaker 18: every junior referee. And also I'm in the exposure that

1165
00:53:27,653 --> 00:53:30,133
Speaker 18: that rugby games get isn't just international anymore.

1166
00:53:30,213 --> 00:53:30,373
Speaker 14: You know.

1167
00:53:30,413 --> 00:53:34,413
Speaker 18: Club Rugby has you know, social media pages across New

1168
00:53:34,493 --> 00:53:37,093
Speaker 18: Zealand as well, so there's a lot more access to

1169
00:53:37,453 --> 00:53:39,973
Speaker 18: comments and to things like that. So I think I

1170
00:53:40,053 --> 00:53:42,293
Speaker 18: think growing up I was I was quite lucky. But

1171
00:53:42,813 --> 00:53:45,653
Speaker 18: suming I can because because I've come through so recently

1172
00:53:45,653 --> 00:53:48,853
Speaker 18: i've been I can actually I'm connected to how bad

1173
00:53:48,853 --> 00:53:49,733
Speaker 18: it can be right now.

1174
00:53:50,213 --> 00:53:53,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's your thoughts on the technology side of things, Ben?

1175
00:53:53,413 --> 00:53:56,693
Speaker 4: Do you think that helps it all worth that culture

1176
00:53:56,773 --> 00:53:58,773
Speaker 4: change that has needed to see that you've got that

1177
00:53:58,893 --> 00:54:01,253
Speaker 4: technology to rely on or it's always going to come

1178
00:54:01,293 --> 00:54:03,772
Speaker 4: down to the human element of it and the reef

1179
00:54:03,893 --> 00:54:05,693
Speaker 4: is there to do the best job they can and

1180
00:54:05,733 --> 00:54:08,653
Speaker 4: people need to know that even if they do get it.

1181
00:54:09,653 --> 00:54:12,973
Speaker 18: I think I think the way that technology use is

1182
00:54:13,093 --> 00:54:15,693
Speaker 18: used at the moment is pretty good. So we just

1183
00:54:15,733 --> 00:54:17,293
Speaker 18: need to make sure that we're doing it in a

1184
00:54:17,293 --> 00:54:20,133
Speaker 18: way that is actually enhancing the game, so it's still

1185
00:54:20,253 --> 00:54:22,373
Speaker 18: entertaining the game in terms of keeping the speed going,

1186
00:54:23,013 --> 00:54:24,973
Speaker 18: making it entertaining for people.

1187
00:54:25,133 --> 00:54:27,773
Speaker 19: Making sure that we're accurate, but without you know, taking

1188
00:54:27,773 --> 00:54:28,453
Speaker 19: too long to do it.

1189
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:30,373
Speaker 18: So you know, the fact that we use the TMO now,

1190
00:54:30,413 --> 00:54:33,613
Speaker 18: the fact that we you know, have slow motion replays,

1191
00:54:33,653 --> 00:54:35,453
Speaker 18: as long as we getting the decisions right within a

1192
00:54:35,493 --> 00:54:37,773
Speaker 18: quick timeframe, and I think that's fine. I think, you know,

1193
00:54:37,813 --> 00:54:40,613
Speaker 18: we're working constantly, as referring teams in the background to

1194
00:54:40,613 --> 00:54:42,813
Speaker 18: make sure that we're not using, for example, the TMO

1195
00:54:43,813 --> 00:54:47,133
Speaker 18: just to get everything perfect a good element of not

1196
00:54:47,213 --> 00:54:49,293
Speaker 18: the game as well. But if we can do it

1197
00:54:49,333 --> 00:54:52,133
Speaker 18: quickly so that we make the right decision for for example,

1198
00:54:52,493 --> 00:54:54,493
Speaker 18: the correct driving score, then I think you know, we're

1199
00:54:54,533 --> 00:54:57,533
Speaker 18: happy with that. There can be the overuse of technology potentially,

1200
00:54:57,573 --> 00:54:59,893
Speaker 18: and that's potentially I think what we see in maybe

1201
00:54:59,933 --> 00:55:02,173
Speaker 18: sports overseas, where you know, the games are four or

1202
00:55:02,213 --> 00:55:03,733
Speaker 18: five hours. I don't think we want that to New

1203
00:55:03,813 --> 00:55:06,213
Speaker 18: Zealand want a fast game. But if we're wanting that

1204
00:55:06,253 --> 00:55:07,893
Speaker 18: in New Zealand, we're saying that, look, this is what

1205
00:55:07,933 --> 00:55:09,973
Speaker 18: we we you don't want that five our game, then

1206
00:55:10,053 --> 00:55:12,173
Speaker 18: you're going to have an element of there will be

1207
00:55:12,213 --> 00:55:13,933
Speaker 18: some mistakes and I think we have to understand that

1208
00:55:13,973 --> 00:55:14,533
Speaker 18: as the public.

1209
00:55:14,813 --> 00:55:17,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, well tell you what we're talking to Ben a

1210
00:55:17,133 --> 00:55:20,053
Speaker 2: keith international rugby referee and there's a lot of love

1211
00:55:20,133 --> 00:55:21,973
Speaker 2: for you coming through on the text machine mate, So

1212
00:55:22,253 --> 00:55:25,253
Speaker 2: you know, social media can be tough, but and so

1213
00:55:25,373 --> 00:55:26,973
Speaker 2: can our text machine actually, but there's a lot of

1214
00:55:27,013 --> 00:55:29,333
Speaker 2: love coming through, so you know, I hope you know

1215
00:55:29,333 --> 00:55:30,493
Speaker 2: that people appreciate what you do.

1216
00:55:31,733 --> 00:55:33,893
Speaker 19: That's awesome. I love you. It's really awesome to hear.

1217
00:55:34,453 --> 00:55:37,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, been awesome to chat with you. Thank you very

1218
00:55:37,133 --> 00:55:38,653
Speaker 4: much and hopefully we'll catch.

1219
00:55:38,533 --> 00:55:39,053
Speaker 3: Up again soon.

1220
00:55:39,813 --> 00:55:40,973
Speaker 19: Awesome, guys, thanks very much.

1221
00:55:41,373 --> 00:55:41,812
Speaker 3: Go well.

1222
00:55:41,853 --> 00:55:45,973
Speaker 4: That that is being O'Keefe international rugby referee and a

1223
00:55:46,013 --> 00:55:47,493
Speaker 4: great man to boot as well.

1224
00:55:47,693 --> 00:55:48,373
Speaker 3: Can you hear from you?

1225
00:55:48,413 --> 00:55:50,213
Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you're in the

1226
00:55:50,253 --> 00:55:52,853
Speaker 4: referee situation, if you're on the ground, if you're a parent,

1227
00:55:53,373 --> 00:55:55,213
Speaker 4: do you think we've got a serious problem here in

1228
00:55:55,213 --> 00:55:57,333
Speaker 4: New Zealand with the way that we treat referees and

1229
00:55:57,373 --> 00:55:59,453
Speaker 4: how do we turn that around? Oh eight hundred eighty

1230
00:55:59,493 --> 00:56:00,533
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call?

1231
00:56:00,653 --> 00:56:02,533
Speaker 2: The stick says, Can you ask Ben if he feels

1232
00:56:02,533 --> 00:56:04,853
Speaker 2: the laws of killing the game, i e. The red card,

1233
00:56:05,293 --> 00:56:08,053
Speaker 2: the red card headclash. One yes, Scot, I just read that.

1234
00:56:08,093 --> 00:56:10,413
Speaker 2: Then time I'm sorry, mate, I can't be gone now.

1235
00:56:10,893 --> 00:56:12,853
Speaker 2: Yeah that if I've seen that during the interview, I

1236
00:56:12,853 --> 00:56:14,613
Speaker 2: would have I promised Scott I would have asked that question.

1237
00:56:14,693 --> 00:56:16,973
Speaker 3: Thank you, but too slow mate, it is twenty five

1238
00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:17,933
Speaker 3: nine slow.

1239
00:56:17,973 --> 00:56:20,493
Speaker 2: Don't blame Scott. Don't blame Scott. He was on time.

1240
00:56:20,533 --> 00:56:21,173
Speaker 2: I just didn't see it.

1241
00:56:21,213 --> 00:56:23,453
Speaker 3: Tyler, Okay, Yes, Scotty, you're right mate, You're right. Twenty

1242
00:56:23,453 --> 00:56:24,013
Speaker 3: five past two.

1243
00:56:24,053 --> 00:56:31,293
Speaker 1: Okay, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1244
00:56:31,373 --> 00:56:34,893
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB very.

1245
00:56:34,693 --> 00:56:37,373
Speaker 4: Good afternoons you It is twenty seven pass too, and

1246
00:56:37,413 --> 00:56:40,533
Speaker 4: we're talking about our attitude towards referees and various sports

1247
00:56:40,573 --> 00:56:42,453
Speaker 4: around the country. Do we need to do better? Oh

1248
00:56:42,453 --> 00:56:44,772
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1249
00:56:45,413 --> 00:56:48,093
Speaker 4: Some great techs coming through on nine two nine two.

1250
00:56:48,533 --> 00:56:51,093
Speaker 2: Here's one from Jacob Agree with Heath, refe you re

1251
00:56:51,173 --> 00:56:54,533
Speaker 2: abuse has shouldn't happen. There's a difference in expectation and

1252
00:56:54,573 --> 00:56:58,013
Speaker 2: accountability between the community and the professional arena community. Reefs

1253
00:56:58,093 --> 00:57:00,293
Speaker 2: need all the support in the world. The professional refs

1254
00:57:00,333 --> 00:57:03,133
Speaker 2: in some cases need to lift their game. World rugby

1255
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:05,053
Speaker 2: needs to come up with a plan to manage that.

1256
00:57:05,413 --> 00:57:07,732
Speaker 2: If they admit afterwards and they have that they got

1257
00:57:07,773 --> 00:57:10,733
Speaker 2: it wrong, there should be consequences. Fill I mean what

1258
00:57:10,853 --> 00:57:11,733
Speaker 2: kind of consequences.

1259
00:57:13,493 --> 00:57:15,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's easy to say there should be consequences.

1260
00:57:15,493 --> 00:57:19,333
Speaker 2: What are paddling? I agree with the sentiments about reefs

1261
00:57:19,373 --> 00:57:21,453
Speaker 2: and umpires, but there's also a lot the Reefs and

1262
00:57:21,533 --> 00:57:24,453
Speaker 2: Umpires Association can take on board. At all levels. There

1263
00:57:24,493 --> 00:57:27,093
Speaker 2: should be training. Players at high and elite levels are

1264
00:57:27,173 --> 00:57:29,013
Speaker 2: training three to seven days a week and the reefs

1265
00:57:29,133 --> 00:57:31,093
Speaker 2: umpires should be doing the same to up to up

1266
00:57:31,133 --> 00:57:33,733
Speaker 2: the skill and the Reef's Association be the catalyst for this.

1267
00:57:33,853 --> 00:57:37,053
Speaker 2: Well you know at a community level, at a lower level,

1268
00:57:37,093 --> 00:57:39,253
Speaker 2: they've also got to have jobs and feed their kids.

1269
00:57:39,373 --> 00:57:42,253
Speaker 2: You know, I know that's not happening well enough in hockey.

1270
00:57:42,773 --> 00:57:45,173
Speaker 2: Grassroots is a different kettle of fish. Of course, there

1271
00:57:45,333 --> 00:57:47,653
Speaker 2: should be zero abuse at all levels, but there needs

1272
00:57:47,653 --> 00:57:50,213
Speaker 2: to be something visual that the refs are being trained

1273
00:57:50,293 --> 00:57:54,613
Speaker 2: and are reviewed and learning. There is that might help

1274
00:57:54,653 --> 00:57:57,133
Speaker 2: happen in the professional elite level, but it needs to

1275
00:57:57,173 --> 00:57:58,813
Speaker 2: be This is a novel, It needs to be done

1276
00:57:58,853 --> 00:58:01,453
Speaker 2: at all levels. We can't have our sport without them

1277
00:58:01,533 --> 00:58:04,693
Speaker 2: and spectators need to be better, but the association that

1278
00:58:04,733 --> 00:58:08,133
Speaker 2: can lead the culture change by being seen to upskill

1279
00:58:08,173 --> 00:58:11,813
Speaker 2: though under the banner of referee, there you go.

1280
00:58:11,813 --> 00:58:14,533
Speaker 4: Good text and this one says the thing about rugby

1281
00:58:14,813 --> 00:58:16,933
Speaker 4: is that if you are a referee there is already

1282
00:58:16,933 --> 00:58:19,853
Speaker 4: a level of respect there that few other sports adhere

1283
00:58:19,973 --> 00:58:22,693
Speaker 4: to look at the disrespects soccer referees have to deal

1284
00:58:22,733 --> 00:58:25,613
Speaker 4: with from players as one example.

1285
00:58:25,173 --> 00:58:27,333
Speaker 2: Well, it's totally different. It's a totally different kind of

1286
00:58:27,333 --> 00:58:30,133
Speaker 2: officiating in rugby because often you're telling people how to

1287
00:58:30,133 --> 00:58:33,253
Speaker 2: play the game, use it, use it, back out of there.

1288
00:58:33,333 --> 00:58:38,213
Speaker 2: You know. It's a much more hands on form of

1289
00:58:38,213 --> 00:58:41,013
Speaker 2: of officiating a game in rugby union. It's different from

1290
00:58:41,053 --> 00:58:42,613
Speaker 2: any any other sport in that regard.

1291
00:58:43,133 --> 00:58:46,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1292
00:58:46,413 --> 00:58:46,973
Speaker 4: number to call.

1293
00:58:47,093 --> 00:58:48,653
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts on this one.

1294
00:58:48,693 --> 00:58:52,053
Speaker 4: If you're in the referee game at the grassroots level

1295
00:58:52,213 --> 00:58:55,533
Speaker 4: or at the more elite level, waite hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: How do we turn it around? And as spectators, as parents,

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Speaker 3: what are you seeing on the sidelines? Love to have

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Speaker 3: a chat with you. Nine two ninety two is the

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Speaker 3: text number we've got headlines coming up with ray Lean

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Speaker 3: you're listening to Matt and Tyler back very shortly.

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Speaker 2: Duce Talk said.

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Speaker 8: The headline with Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with

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Speaker 8: a Blue Bubble. The government's buying two point seven billion

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Speaker 8: dollars of military helicopters and planes, Its announcers purchasing two

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Speaker 8: new Airbus A three twenty one planes and a lease

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Speaker 8: to buy plan in buying five Seahawk helicopters. No prosecutions

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Speaker 8: have been launched against parents of truant kids. Attendance data

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Speaker 8: shows fifty eight point four percent of students regularly attend

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Speaker 8: school in term two, the highest since twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 8: Fifteen prosecutions were explored but later dropped. Kiwi Bank is

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Speaker 8: reporting a slide in profit but a rise in business.

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Speaker 8: The government owned bank has reported a five percent drop

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Speaker 8: an annual net profit. Whale Watch Chui Coda Limited has

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Speaker 8: been fined almost two hundred and fifty thousand dollars after

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Speaker 8: two crew members were injured in separate incidents. The company

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Speaker 8: pleaded guilty to charges relating to failures to meet health

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Speaker 8: and safety duties. Tourism Boom Finally Flight Center says four

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Speaker 8: Enzad Herald Premium. Now back to Masson Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Wendy. It is twenty seven to

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Speaker 4: three now in studio. It's a privilege to be joined

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Speaker 4: by Rob Harmon. He is the president of the Auckland

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Speaker 4: Rugby Referees Association and is with us live.

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Speaker 2: Get a Rob men Tyler, how are you very good?

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Speaker 2: So you know you what level of referees are does

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Speaker 2: the Auckland Rugby Referees Association oversea?

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Speaker 21: So we take care of all rugby within our provincial unions.

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Speaker 21: So there are twenty six twenty seven provincial unions throughout

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Speaker 21: New Zealand.

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01:00:49,173 --> 01:00:51,293
Speaker 17: So for Auckland in particular, we're.

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Speaker 21: Basically from Manekau in the south all up through central

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Speaker 21: Auckland and out towards sort of Henderson Way.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, But like I mean what levels.

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01:01:02,733 --> 01:01:07,093
Speaker 21: We do everything from school boys right up to premiere

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01:01:07,813 --> 01:01:11,253
Speaker 21: grade and we and then from the pathway from there

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Speaker 21: goes into a regional basis and our referees will referee

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Speaker 21: anywhere from sort of the top I guess the top

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Speaker 21: third of the North Island.

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Speaker 2: So basically all officiating comes through you guys to a

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Speaker 2: certain extent correct that's in rugby union. And so if

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Speaker 2: you if you're a if you're a you know, a

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Speaker 2: person that loves rugby and andy and you're thinking, well,

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01:01:33,373 --> 01:01:36,733
Speaker 2: I want to get into being a referee, how do

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01:01:36,773 --> 01:01:38,253
Speaker 2: you go about that? Who do you who do you

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01:01:38,253 --> 01:01:40,373
Speaker 2: approach and how do you follow that path?

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Speaker 21: It's it's largely up to the to the to the

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Speaker 21: person obviously to take the action. There's in all the

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Speaker 21: pus around New Zealand there is either a referees association.

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Speaker 17: Or the rugby Union.

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Speaker 21: The local rugby union themselves look after the referees, so

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01:01:56,853 --> 01:02:02,133
Speaker 21: it's often a case of contacting them first, either via

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01:02:02,213 --> 01:02:05,213
Speaker 21: socials or give them a call or an email. But

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Speaker 21: it can be just as easy to rock up on

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Speaker 21: a Saturday and tap someone on the on the back

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Speaker 21: who's got a uniform on and and say how do

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Speaker 21: I get on with it?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And so if you want to be a referee,

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Speaker 2: you know people talk about training, right, so there's a

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Speaker 2: lot to it. You know you no, no, you need

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Speaker 2: to obviously know the rule book off by heart, right,

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01:02:22,733 --> 01:02:24,613
Speaker 2: but you also know you have to know where to

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Speaker 2: stand at a certain point you know you have to

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Speaker 2: run back for the conversion. There's a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: refereeing skills in there that you know. If you're just

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Speaker 2: playing the game, you don't you know, the referee alay

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Speaker 2: seems to be in the right place, but you don't

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Speaker 2: know that stuff. So is there a training program once

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Speaker 2: you get into the into the path.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I would struggle to think that

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Speaker 21: any of you referee knows the law book one hundred percent,

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Speaker 21: to be perfectly honest. We try our best, but no, look,

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Speaker 21: there are definitely training you know, training avenues available, of

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Speaker 21: course there are.

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Speaker 17: Typically if you're a first year or.

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Speaker 21: A novice referee, you get put in a group with

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Speaker 21: your peers. In Auckland, we have meetings every Monday night

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Speaker 21: six months year to try and up school our new

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Speaker 21: members and also the rest of the referee and cohort.

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Speaker 21: If you're a first year referee, you can expect to

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Speaker 21: be assistant referee or touch judging pretty early on in

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01:03:21,253 --> 01:03:24,493
Speaker 21: the piece, which is a nice easy way to get involved.

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Speaker 21: Or at the moment we're heading into seven season as well,

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Speaker 21: so that's that's also a light introduction to the to

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Speaker 21: the sport.

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Speaker 17: In the vocation and then.

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Speaker 21: Once you have there's there's not really any tests or

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Speaker 21: anything to pass in order to get onto the field.

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Speaker 21: It's just you know when you're ready, you're ready, and

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Speaker 21: hope you're ready sooner rather than later, and out you go.

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Speaker 2: Do you what level do you have to reach before

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Speaker 2: you get paid?

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Speaker 21: You have to be a So some French reunions in

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01:03:57,733 --> 01:04:01,013
Speaker 21: New Zealand will pay your your mileage and in bits

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01:04:01,013 --> 01:04:03,613
Speaker 21: and pieces like that. But to actually be be paid

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Speaker 21: to referee, you're pretty much an MPC referee, right.

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Speaker 2: So you know when someone is getting angry at the

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Speaker 2: sideline at a referee in rugby, that person is there,

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Speaker 2: you know, of their own volition, out of the goodness

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Speaker 2: of their heart, because they believe in the game. And

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Speaker 2: so you're you're not you're not abusing someone that's getting

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Speaker 2: rich off the back of this.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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01:04:26,373 --> 01:04:29,013
Speaker 21: Correct, In Auckland we actually pay a subscription, so we

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Speaker 21: pay fifty dollars to referee, so which isn't the similar

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Speaker 21: to other places around around New Zealand. So yeah, so

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Speaker 21: other sports in New Zealand you know, will pay will

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Speaker 21: pay a match payment of some sort.

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Speaker 17: But you're very really in rugby union.

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Speaker 4: And what's the situation now, Rob when you look at

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Speaker 4: the spectators on the sideline, do you think that abuse

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Speaker 4: or anger is getting worse or there are more of

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Speaker 4: those flare ups that we're seen in particular grassroots games.

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Speaker 21: It's hard to say it's I think it's it's it's

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Speaker 21: it's regional. I think there's there's an undertone of that

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Speaker 21: sort of stuff has always been there. I'm fortunate I've

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Speaker 21: refereed for over twenty years. I've I've only had one

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Speaker 21: or two sort of instances where I can think to myself, yeah,

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Speaker 21: that was actually quite bad, not physical or anything, but

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01:05:23,093 --> 01:05:25,093
Speaker 21: just ones that stick in the in the back of

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Speaker 21: my mind. But I think there's a bunch of reasons

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Speaker 21: that are completely outside of rugby's control which is creating

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Speaker 21: this behavior. So it's it's hard to it's hard for

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Speaker 21: for for me as a as a referee up running

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Speaker 21: out there on a sellay or my provincial union and

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Speaker 21: my Referee Association, or New Zealand Rugby for that matter,

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Speaker 21: to to actually, you know, do something that's really tangible

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Speaker 21: that's going to stomp it that once and for all.

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Speaker 17: It's it's an impossibility.

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Speaker 21: Really, it's I think it's it's unfortunately, it's just something

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Speaker 21: that we need to minimize as much as we can do.

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Speaker 2: You any you know, do you look into conflict management training,

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Speaker 2: how to diffuse situations or any Is that something that

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Speaker 2: you guys discussed in your in your Monday weekend.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, absolutely, Look, we we do.

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Speaker 21: We do a lot of work on the management of

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Speaker 21: the game. So how to diffuse situations, how to talk

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01:06:18,853 --> 01:06:23,013
Speaker 21: to players in particular instances, what to do when you know,

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01:06:23,093 --> 01:06:26,773
Speaker 21: if you if you lose control of games. You know,

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01:06:26,893 --> 01:06:29,453
Speaker 21: sometimes sometimes that does happen.

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Speaker 17: Hopefully it doesn't, so and and and.

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01:06:33,693 --> 01:06:36,253
Speaker 21: Some of the top guys looking at your body language

1444
01:06:36,293 --> 01:06:39,333
Speaker 21: and and and and other things like that. So yeah, yeah,

1445
01:06:39,333 --> 01:06:42,813
Speaker 21: it is available to us, definitely. Obviously we're just waiting

1446
01:06:42,813 --> 01:06:45,533
Speaker 21: on the responses from the from the players to to

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Speaker 21: be able to act in it.

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Speaker 4: Right, there's a teachs tier from muzz it sees get

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Speaker 4: a rob. Is there a fitness teast to be a ref.

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Speaker 21: There is, but there's but not at not at the

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01:06:57,573 --> 01:07:00,293
Speaker 21: lower grade. So the New Zealand Rugby brought out a

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01:07:00,333 --> 01:07:06,893
Speaker 21: new Community Rugby framework this year and it's in what

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01:07:07,053 --> 01:07:11,613
Speaker 21: the basis of that was. It was to standardize levels

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01:07:11,733 --> 01:07:17,093
Speaker 21: of referee capability across New Zealand. So if you want

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01:07:17,133 --> 01:07:21,173
Speaker 21: to be basically a Premiere club referee or a verse

1456
01:07:21,253 --> 01:07:25,573
Speaker 21: fifteen schools referee or higher, you do need to do

1457
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Speaker 21: a fitness test and pass it in a reasonable way, because.

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Speaker 17: How many you do?

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Speaker 2: Like what you must do nine ten k's in the game,

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Speaker 2: would you?

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Speaker 21: Uh no, it's probably a bit less than that. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: so I should have said more, should than I But yeah,

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Speaker 21: I think between you know, probably between six seven k's.

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Speaker 2: Is that's up there. But they're also shuttles, right, you know,

1465
01:07:45,173 --> 01:07:47,653
Speaker 2: so you know, like as I was saying before, when

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Speaker 2: you've got to sprint over for the conversion, that you've

1467
01:07:49,413 --> 01:07:50,773
Speaker 2: got to get there at pace, don't.

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Speaker 21: You hundred percent if anyone wants, If anyone out there

1469
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Speaker 21: wants to give it a go, it's called the Bronco test,

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Speaker 21: So you can readily available on. All you need is

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Speaker 21: four cones and sixty meters in your way.

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Speaker 2: Well what struck me when I did this event with you?

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01:08:05,093 --> 01:08:08,293
Speaker 2: Where was that was that last Saturday? No Saturda, just gone, Saturday,

1474
01:08:08,413 --> 01:08:10,613
Speaker 2: just gone. Yeah, a lot of water under the bridge between. Yeah,

1475
01:08:10,613 --> 01:08:11,493
Speaker 2: it was a big night.

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Speaker 3: It must have been a big night.

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01:08:12,733 --> 01:08:16,412
Speaker 2: We've only just just stopped celebrating that night. But what

1478
01:08:16,452 --> 01:08:18,652
Speaker 2: I did notice was it was a great community. You know,

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01:08:18,733 --> 01:08:20,772
Speaker 2: you guys have all got a great sense of humor

1480
01:08:21,053 --> 01:08:24,492
Speaker 2: and you know you you all work together, you all

1481
01:08:24,532 --> 01:08:26,293
Speaker 2: know each other, so that that's a big part of it,

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01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:28,813
Speaker 2: isn't it. So you know, people that that got into refereing,

1483
01:08:28,973 --> 01:08:32,053
Speaker 2: there is that that that community that that you can

1484
01:08:32,093 --> 01:08:32,652
Speaker 2: get involved in.

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Speaker 21: Absolutely a massive amount of camaraderie and uh and you

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01:08:36,372 --> 01:08:38,892
Speaker 21: know the family the family spirit a few of them

1487
01:08:39,013 --> 01:08:42,213
Speaker 21: is as well. But I guess that's the same with

1488
01:08:42,253 --> 01:08:46,173
Speaker 21: you with everything, right you you you you make friends

1489
01:08:46,173 --> 01:08:47,973
Speaker 21: with the people who are into the same stuff as you.

1490
01:08:48,133 --> 01:08:49,892
Speaker 21: We we go out there and do a job which

1491
01:08:50,372 --> 01:08:52,333
Speaker 21: can be pretty challenging at times. So you need to

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01:08:52,372 --> 01:08:56,133
Speaker 21: celebrate the winds and celebrate the losses too. And the

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01:08:56,213 --> 01:08:59,572
Speaker 21: drawers and the and the drawers the unfortunately few too

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01:08:59,572 --> 01:09:01,852
Speaker 21: many of them at the at the moment.

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Speaker 17: But yeah, I mean the camaraderie within within our.

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Speaker 21: Association is not indifferent to any rugby club or sports

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01:09:11,652 --> 01:09:14,333
Speaker 21: club or any other environment like that around New Zealand.

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01:09:14,333 --> 01:09:16,932
Speaker 21: We all we get along with your own trirehst for

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Speaker 21: what we do.

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Speaker 2: Good on you.

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01:09:18,452 --> 01:09:22,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, is there a bit of extra assistance or you know,

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01:09:22,213 --> 01:09:24,133
Speaker 4: the new element here is social media. So with the

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01:09:24,173 --> 01:09:26,652
Speaker 4: young guys, particularly if they're moving up into more of

1504
01:09:26,732 --> 01:09:29,772
Speaker 4: the professional level, what is the message to them. Do

1505
01:09:29,812 --> 01:09:31,492
Speaker 4: you tell the younger guys maybe it's best to say

1506
01:09:31,532 --> 01:09:33,972
Speaker 4: off social media or is there some training around that element?

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Speaker 21: No, there isn't. I mean social media. And I was

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Speaker 21: hearing what Ben was saying before. And you know, Ben's

1509
01:09:43,532 --> 01:09:47,013
Speaker 21: an outstanding ambassador for for for referring but also for

1510
01:09:47,732 --> 01:09:50,852
Speaker 21: New Zealand and general is one of the Wood's best

1511
01:09:50,853 --> 01:09:54,892
Speaker 21: referees at the moment. You know, social media. I mean,

1512
01:09:55,692 --> 01:09:57,452
Speaker 21: if you just don't read what's put on it, then

1513
01:09:57,492 --> 01:09:59,772
Speaker 21: you're then you're fine. But I struggle to think that anyone,

1514
01:09:59,812 --> 01:10:02,532
Speaker 21: particularly the younger guys, are gonna are going to heed

1515
01:10:02,612 --> 01:10:05,532
Speaker 21: that advice. But I mean, as I said, I've I've

1516
01:10:05,532 --> 01:10:08,293
Speaker 21: been referring for a while now, and I can definitely

1517
01:10:08,532 --> 01:10:09,053
Speaker 21: tell you that.

1518
01:10:09,572 --> 01:10:12,412
Speaker 17: You know, when my game's previous games have.

1519
01:10:12,372 --> 01:10:15,612
Speaker 21: Been televised and then they're putting put up on Sky

1520
01:10:15,732 --> 01:10:19,532
Speaker 21: or whatever, and some people have absolutely climbed and for better,

1521
01:10:19,572 --> 01:10:23,892
Speaker 21: for worse, and and yeah, it can be pretty challenging

1522
01:10:23,933 --> 01:10:27,012
Speaker 21: to take in some respects. Absolutely, yeah, I bet.

1523
01:10:27,572 --> 01:10:30,372
Speaker 2: And final question, I saw this video of a ref

1524
01:10:30,492 --> 01:10:34,532
Speaker 2: out on the field by himself running around blowing whistles

1525
01:10:34,572 --> 01:10:37,213
Speaker 2: and running lineouts and stuff, sort of sort of a

1526
01:10:37,253 --> 01:10:42,412
Speaker 2: shadow referee Angus Gardner. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, and shame.

1527
01:10:42,853 --> 01:10:46,612
Speaker 2: Was that a real thing? That's one hundred percent real, right,

1528
01:10:47,053 --> 01:10:48,053
Speaker 2: And is that something you do?

1529
01:10:48,612 --> 01:10:53,253
Speaker 21: Definitely not, but maybe that's why Angus garden is also

1530
01:10:53,293 --> 01:10:54,612
Speaker 21: one of the best referees in the world.

1531
01:10:54,612 --> 01:10:56,932
Speaker 17: And I'm a club dirt tracker.

1532
01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:59,253
Speaker 2: There is something pretty music about it.

1533
01:10:59,412 --> 01:11:01,013
Speaker 3: He's day guy officially in.

1534
01:11:01,093 --> 01:11:02,412
Speaker 2: The whole game, and you're the only one there. It's

1535
01:11:02,452 --> 01:11:04,572
Speaker 2: quite something. But for four whistles and anything, it's it's

1536
01:11:04,572 --> 01:11:06,293
Speaker 2: good stuff. But he is a great referee, so you know,

1537
01:11:06,372 --> 01:11:08,732
Speaker 2: as you say, fantastic. Well, you know, good on you,

1538
01:11:08,853 --> 01:11:09,293
Speaker 2: Good on you.

1539
01:11:09,293 --> 01:11:12,253
Speaker 4: Mate, Rob. Thank you very much for coming and studio.

1540
01:11:12,372 --> 01:11:14,013
Speaker 4: Make great to see you and we'll catch up again soon.

1541
01:11:14,093 --> 01:11:14,732
Speaker 17: Yeah, thanks Jens.

1542
01:11:14,772 --> 01:11:16,772
Speaker 21: And look, I encourage anyone who wants to give up

1543
01:11:16,812 --> 01:11:20,253
Speaker 21: referee so to give up referring, not to but anyone

1544
01:11:20,253 --> 01:11:22,052
Speaker 21: who wants to take up referrering talk to the local

1545
01:11:22,093 --> 01:11:24,492
Speaker 21: association and they won't regret it.

1546
01:11:24,612 --> 01:11:28,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then what's mine? You saying no reff no game?

1547
01:11:28,692 --> 01:11:29,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, get that on the bumper.

1548
01:11:29,732 --> 01:11:31,492
Speaker 2: Still remember that it was something at the start of it.

1549
01:11:31,933 --> 01:11:34,412
Speaker 2: Don't be lame, no refinck something. We need another rhyme

1550
01:11:34,452 --> 01:11:34,692
Speaker 2: and there.

1551
01:11:34,812 --> 01:11:36,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll get back to that. We'll find that text.

1552
01:11:36,532 --> 01:11:37,093
Speaker 3: It was a good eye.

1553
01:11:37,333 --> 01:11:39,812
Speaker 4: Robs he ketching in so mate. That is Rob Harmon,

1554
01:11:39,973 --> 01:11:43,372
Speaker 4: President of the Auckland Referees Association. We're taking more of

1555
01:11:43,412 --> 01:11:45,932
Speaker 4: your call shortly. Plenty of ticks coming through as well. Oh,

1556
01:11:45,933 --> 01:11:47,572
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you are a

1557
01:11:47,652 --> 01:11:49,612
Speaker 4: riff or are looking to get into it, really can

1558
01:11:49,652 --> 01:11:51,532
Speaker 4: do a chat with you. And if you're an appearance

1559
01:11:51,572 --> 01:11:54,133
Speaker 4: on the sidelines, what are you seeing out there?

1560
01:11:54,213 --> 01:11:55,532
Speaker 3: It is a quarter to three.

1561
01:11:56,532 --> 01:11:58,933
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and

1562
01:11:58,933 --> 01:12:02,852
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

1563
01:12:02,893 --> 01:12:04,772
Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon to you.

1564
01:12:04,853 --> 01:12:08,012
Speaker 4: It's thirteen to three and we are talking about referees

1565
01:12:08,053 --> 01:12:10,612
Speaker 4: and New Zealand. Is there a problem with the way

1566
01:12:10,612 --> 01:12:12,852
Speaker 4: that we treat them at the grassroots level and into

1567
01:12:12,853 --> 01:12:15,573
Speaker 4: the professional level as well. If you've been a referee

1568
01:12:15,612 --> 01:12:17,772
Speaker 4: and you're currently a referee A one hundred and eighty

1569
01:12:17,853 --> 01:12:20,093
Speaker 4: ten eighty. What are you seen out there, why did

1570
01:12:20,133 --> 01:12:21,492
Speaker 4: you get into it, and what do you get out

1571
01:12:21,492 --> 01:12:24,293
Speaker 4: of it? Because clearly, speaking to Rob and also Ben,

1572
01:12:24,452 --> 01:12:27,572
Speaker 4: there's a huge amount of satisfaction in doing something like

1573
01:12:27,612 --> 01:12:30,732
Speaker 4: refereeing at the grassroots or professional level. It is giving

1574
01:12:30,772 --> 01:12:33,652
Speaker 4: back to your community. And as Rob' said, referees pay

1575
01:12:33,692 --> 01:12:35,372
Speaker 4: to do it at that level. You know they're not

1576
01:12:35,372 --> 01:12:37,412
Speaker 4: getting any money. They're actually paying for the privilege to

1577
01:12:37,452 --> 01:12:40,213
Speaker 4: get out there and make sure the sport can go ahead.

1578
01:12:40,772 --> 01:12:43,372
Speaker 2: The saying no ref, no game is great. I'm a

1579
01:12:43,412 --> 01:12:46,293
Speaker 2: coach and I have banned parents from coming to games

1580
01:12:46,293 --> 01:12:51,452
Speaker 2: because of their no nothing, abusive attitude towards the refs.

1581
01:12:51,853 --> 01:12:54,492
Speaker 2: It has to start with schools and coaches and parents too.

1582
01:12:55,293 --> 01:12:57,253
Speaker 2: If you see someone being a dickhead, you've got to

1583
01:12:57,293 --> 01:13:01,173
Speaker 2: say something on my team. If they behave like that,

1584
01:13:01,253 --> 01:13:03,133
Speaker 2: they don't come to the next game. The kids all right,

1585
01:13:03,253 --> 01:13:04,293
Speaker 2: but the parents stay home.

1586
01:13:04,893 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 3: Nice.

1587
01:13:05,293 --> 01:13:07,652
Speaker 4: I like that, and this is a nice teakes love

1588
01:13:07,732 --> 01:13:10,772
Speaker 4: this chat, Mike. Kids are playing club rugby and rests

1589
01:13:10,812 --> 01:13:14,892
Speaker 4: make the community that comes with that possible. They are

1590
01:13:15,093 --> 01:13:17,253
Speaker 4: the cornerstone of New Zealand society and we've got to

1591
01:13:17,253 --> 01:13:17,812
Speaker 4: treat them better.

1592
01:13:18,452 --> 01:13:22,173
Speaker 2: Darren, welcome to the show. Hey, hey Don, very good,

1593
01:13:22,253 --> 01:13:23,852
Speaker 2: thank you. So you are a ref.

1594
01:13:25,412 --> 01:13:27,892
Speaker 10: Yeah, so my eight year old son plays football.

1595
01:13:28,333 --> 01:13:28,572
Speaker 2: Yep.

1596
01:13:29,532 --> 01:13:31,772
Speaker 10: And I've played football in the past, so you know,

1597
01:13:31,933 --> 01:13:38,173
Speaker 10: know the rules. But I've experienced a mixture of you

1598
01:13:38,213 --> 01:13:43,253
Speaker 10: know refs that dads or mums who just maybe they

1599
01:13:43,293 --> 01:13:45,133
Speaker 10: don't know the rules. We never paid before, so they

1600
01:13:45,173 --> 01:13:47,012
Speaker 10: just let everything go. And then you've got other rests

1601
01:13:47,053 --> 01:13:48,652
Speaker 10: who are like, you know, they know the rules and

1602
01:13:48,692 --> 01:13:51,293
Speaker 10: they blow everything up and you try and be sort

1603
01:13:51,293 --> 01:13:55,253
Speaker 10: of somewhere in the middle. I've found a few try

1604
01:13:55,293 --> 01:13:58,772
Speaker 10: and blow up you know, thousand things like that that

1605
01:13:59,053 --> 01:14:01,972
Speaker 10: some of the parents on the sidelines, you know you

1606
01:14:01,973 --> 01:14:06,333
Speaker 10: hear the old referee referee you know, or you know,

1607
01:14:06,412 --> 01:14:10,173
Speaker 10: have had some abuse from people saying, oh, you should

1608
01:14:10,253 --> 01:14:12,732
Speaker 10: have called out a fowl or you know, you're not

1609
01:14:12,772 --> 01:14:13,652
Speaker 10: referring it properly.

1610
01:14:16,412 --> 01:14:16,572
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1611
01:14:16,572 --> 01:14:18,772
Speaker 10: I had one one parent to me afterwards and said

1612
01:14:19,173 --> 01:14:21,012
Speaker 10: you ruined the game because you keep blowing the whistle

1613
01:14:21,093 --> 01:14:23,732
Speaker 10: for fouls. And I was like, you said, the kids

1614
01:14:24,013 --> 01:14:25,812
Speaker 10: don't They won't enjoy the game because the game's not

1615
01:14:25,812 --> 01:14:27,452
Speaker 10: free flowing. And I said, well, I don't think the

1616
01:14:27,532 --> 01:14:30,692
Speaker 10: kids enjoy being picked and fouled.

1617
01:14:30,973 --> 01:14:34,612
Speaker 2: So and it's also what did you do for the game?

1618
01:14:34,772 --> 01:14:37,173
Speaker 2: You know, he said that to the moments do I

1619
01:14:37,253 --> 01:14:38,572
Speaker 2: ruin the game? What did you do? Did you make

1620
01:14:38,572 --> 01:14:40,493
Speaker 2: the game a lot better by standing on the sideline?

1621
01:14:40,853 --> 01:14:41,892
Speaker 9: You know exactly.

1622
01:14:42,333 --> 01:14:48,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one with that free flowing nature

1623
01:14:48,452 --> 01:14:50,093
Speaker 2: when there are young kids, because you know, I've done

1624
01:14:50,093 --> 01:14:52,892
Speaker 2: a bit of refereeing at that level, and what I mean,

1625
01:14:53,093 --> 01:14:54,892
Speaker 2: that's the hard thing isn't knowing what to let go

1626
01:14:55,053 --> 01:14:59,293
Speaker 2: and what not to let go because you know, a

1627
01:14:59,293 --> 01:15:00,772
Speaker 2: lot of stuff kids do at that age it is

1628
01:15:00,812 --> 01:15:02,852
Speaker 2: just because they you know, they're just eight year olds

1629
01:15:02,893 --> 01:15:04,612
Speaker 2: and they just run around, you know, they're kind of

1630
01:15:04,933 --> 01:15:05,573
Speaker 2: not necessarily.

1631
01:15:06,253 --> 01:15:09,253
Speaker 10: We saw coaching, We saw a coaching course, and one

1632
01:15:09,253 --> 01:15:10,892
Speaker 10: of the things they said was kids of that age

1633
01:15:10,933 --> 01:15:12,813
Speaker 10: don't try to foil intentionally.

1634
01:15:13,013 --> 01:15:14,452
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah.

1635
01:15:14,492 --> 01:15:15,812
Speaker 10: The one thing I found with a coach, and I

1636
01:15:15,812 --> 01:15:17,293
Speaker 10: will see at a coaching course, and the one thing

1637
01:15:17,333 --> 01:15:19,732
Speaker 10: I've found is that's aught about tacking play and scoring

1638
01:15:19,772 --> 01:15:21,333
Speaker 10: goals and all that kind of stuff, is not much

1639
01:15:21,333 --> 01:15:24,932
Speaker 10: on how to tackle properly or a defense. Yeah, it's

1640
01:15:24,973 --> 01:15:29,253
Speaker 10: an issue because I do think some kids they watched TV,

1641
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:31,532
Speaker 10: they watched the Premier League. They try to copy the heroes,

1642
01:15:31,572 --> 01:15:34,133
Speaker 10: and I think sometimes they do fail intentionally and I

1643
01:15:34,173 --> 01:15:35,772
Speaker 10: can I think I could pick it when they are

1644
01:15:35,812 --> 01:15:38,452
Speaker 10: trying to do that, yeah, grabbing shirt you know. Yeah,

1645
01:15:38,572 --> 01:15:40,532
Speaker 10: somebody that's going on goal to score a goal and they.

1646
01:15:40,412 --> 01:15:41,013
Speaker 9: Pull them back back.

1647
01:15:41,572 --> 01:15:43,532
Speaker 10: So yeah, and the kind of stuff I pick up.

1648
01:15:43,772 --> 01:15:45,772
Speaker 10: And you blow the whistle for a fowl and there

1649
01:15:45,812 --> 01:15:47,452
Speaker 10: at the times when you know they have a clision

1650
01:15:47,492 --> 01:15:48,932
Speaker 10: and it's slip both going for the ball when you're

1651
01:15:48,933 --> 01:15:49,612
Speaker 10: and you're about to go.

1652
01:15:50,053 --> 01:15:52,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh we'll get on you Darren for getting out

1653
01:15:52,253 --> 01:15:54,892
Speaker 2: there and doing it. And yeah, don't listen to those

1654
01:15:54,933 --> 01:15:55,893
Speaker 2: winging parents.

1655
01:15:56,173 --> 01:15:59,293
Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you very much, Darren.

1656
01:15:59,333 --> 01:15:59,932
Speaker 3: What a good man.

1657
01:16:00,053 --> 01:16:01,932
Speaker 4: I mean, it's crazy getting that at an eight year

1658
01:16:01,973 --> 01:16:03,732
Speaker 4: old soccer match. I mean you just want to read

1659
01:16:03,772 --> 01:16:05,372
Speaker 4: cards appearance they send them off.

1660
01:16:05,492 --> 01:16:08,772
Speaker 2: You see it just people going absolutely mental. It's all sports,

1661
01:16:08,812 --> 01:16:10,572
Speaker 2: you know, Like there's a lot of people hockey people

1662
01:16:10,612 --> 01:16:13,372
Speaker 2: coming through here. There's an inlights inline skates person saying

1663
01:16:13,853 --> 01:16:18,972
Speaker 2: the abuse. There's water polo parents getting crazy. My parents

1664
01:16:19,372 --> 01:16:21,053
Speaker 2: love their kids and want their kids to do well,

1665
01:16:21,093 --> 01:16:23,732
Speaker 2: so they get very passionate about it, and they and

1666
01:16:23,772 --> 01:16:25,893
Speaker 2: they want their kids a chance to expressing themselves on

1667
01:16:25,933 --> 01:16:27,972
Speaker 2: the field. So you can understand the emotions that come

1668
01:16:28,013 --> 01:16:29,612
Speaker 2: through from a parent. And I've certainly been on the

1669
01:16:29,612 --> 01:16:32,692
Speaker 2: sideline of a game and gone. But but you just

1670
01:16:32,732 --> 01:16:35,333
Speaker 2: got to rain that in because it's you know, you're

1671
01:16:35,532 --> 01:16:38,572
Speaker 2: you are damaging the game and the potential for whatever

1672
01:16:38,612 --> 01:16:41,492
Speaker 2: game you support from continuing if you keep bloody paving

1673
01:16:41,572 --> 01:16:41,852
Speaker 2: like that.

1674
01:16:42,133 --> 01:16:44,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, nicely said, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty c.

1675
01:16:44,412 --> 01:16:46,412
Speaker 4: Number to call it is eight to three.

1676
01:16:47,692 --> 01:16:50,133
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1677
01:16:50,173 --> 01:16:53,692
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News

1678
01:16:53,732 --> 01:16:54,333
Speaker 1: Talks B.

1679
01:16:55,293 --> 01:16:59,293
Speaker 4: News Talks B. It is five to three. Mike, how

1680
01:16:59,293 --> 01:17:02,452
Speaker 4: are you good? Here you go, God, we've only got

1681
01:17:02,452 --> 01:17:03,092
Speaker 4: sixty seconds.

1682
01:17:03,133 --> 01:17:04,012
Speaker 3: Mate. What's your thoughts?

1683
01:17:04,652 --> 01:17:08,213
Speaker 22: Yeah, well, well, well I've just finished referring. I'll retire

1684
01:17:08,452 --> 01:17:10,612
Speaker 22: see many two. I did it for about twenty three years,

1685
01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:14,213
Speaker 22: and I just think now there's the rules and similar

1686
01:17:14,293 --> 01:17:17,333
Speaker 22: rules are ruined it and that's the debase people abusing

1687
01:17:17,372 --> 01:17:19,133
Speaker 22: people on the sideline. I had a model that I

1688
01:17:19,253 --> 01:17:21,612
Speaker 22: blowed the whistle stop the game, and I walk up

1689
01:17:21,612 --> 01:17:24,052
Speaker 22: to them told him if they didn't stop the abuse,

1690
01:17:24,093 --> 01:17:25,973
Speaker 22: I was seeing them off the park. I do it

1691
01:17:26,013 --> 01:17:28,133
Speaker 22: quite a few times stuff and it works quite quite

1692
01:17:28,173 --> 01:17:30,013
Speaker 22: well if you, if you're game, have to do that.

1693
01:17:30,093 --> 01:17:31,932
Speaker 22: That's why I used to do any I was riffing.

1694
01:17:32,053 --> 01:17:36,572
Speaker 2: So you read you read read card an audience member

1695
01:17:36,812 --> 01:17:38,173
Speaker 2: someone in the crowd. Are you good?

1696
01:17:39,133 --> 01:17:40,893
Speaker 22: Yeah, get rid of me because you're not really to

1697
01:17:40,933 --> 01:17:43,652
Speaker 22: be abused by putting. We don't we get, we don't

1698
01:17:43,652 --> 01:17:45,532
Speaker 22: we do it for lovely we don't get. We don't

1699
01:17:45,532 --> 01:17:46,333
Speaker 22: get paid doing that.

1700
01:17:46,452 --> 01:17:47,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, like your star.

1701
01:17:48,333 --> 01:17:49,972
Speaker 22: Yeah, I just really just in the off the park,

1702
01:17:50,093 --> 01:17:51,892
Speaker 22: we see we're going to have any shower. We don't

1703
01:17:51,933 --> 01:17:52,293
Speaker 22: need to hear.

1704
01:17:52,492 --> 01:17:54,492
Speaker 2: Do you know how many how many games you would

1705
01:17:54,532 --> 01:17:57,013
Speaker 2: have officiated in your and all the time you were

1706
01:17:57,013 --> 01:17:58,052
Speaker 2: doing it, any idea?

1707
01:17:58,253 --> 01:18:01,253
Speaker 22: I hate I'll be well over, Oh there'll be hundreds.

1708
01:18:01,412 --> 01:18:03,852
Speaker 22: I started. We've been doing well. I started. I started.

1709
01:18:04,372 --> 01:18:09,132
Speaker 22: I started when I was about oh, probably my late forties.

1710
01:18:10,333 --> 01:18:11,972
Speaker 2: Well, sorry, Mike, we've run out of time. But thank

1711
01:18:12,013 --> 01:18:14,213
Speaker 2: you so much, and good on you for officiating all

1712
01:18:14,293 --> 01:18:16,652
Speaker 2: those games. You're a buddy, great News Inalander for doing

1713
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:20,053
Speaker 2: that as all the referees are because as as we

1714
01:18:20,093 --> 01:18:22,093
Speaker 2: were saying before, no ref no game, remember when you're

1715
01:18:22,093 --> 01:18:25,932
Speaker 2: addicted to a refewist of the game you love, not continuing, right,

1716
01:18:26,013 --> 01:18:28,692
Speaker 2: And we need sport and we need people playing sport right,

1717
01:18:28,893 --> 01:18:31,692
Speaker 2: especially rugby union because it's a very very complicated game.

1718
01:18:31,973 --> 01:18:33,932
Speaker 3: One hundred percent really enjoyed that hour.

1719
01:18:34,013 --> 01:18:36,173
Speaker 4: Thank you very much to those who text and called,

1720
01:18:36,213 --> 01:18:38,652
Speaker 4: and thank you to Ben O'Keeffe and Rob Harmon as well.

1721
01:18:38,732 --> 01:18:39,652
Speaker 3: Great great people.

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Speaker 4: Coming up after three o'clock, Let's have a chat about

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Speaker 4: dog attacks. They have been in the headlines a lot

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Speaker 4: in recent years, and the latest one a very dramatic

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01:18:47,452 --> 01:18:51,213
Speaker 4: incident about a pitbull rampaging into a jewelry store and

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Speaker 4: severely hurting a lapdog and an employee. So keen to

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Speaker 4: hear your stories. Oh eight undred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 4: a number to call. Nine two nine two is a

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Speaker 4: text news coming up your new home.

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Speaker 1: Are in stateful and entertaining talk. It's Matty and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons on News Talk.

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

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Speaker 4: Seven past three. Just before we get into the next topic,

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Speaker 4: obviously the radio survey was released this morning, and just

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Speaker 4: want to say quickly it was really nice to see

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Speaker 4: us go up again in the Afternoon Show, the third

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Speaker 4: time we've gone up in those surveys. So a genuine,

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Speaker 4: genuine thank you for listening and making us a party afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Awesome to have you you with us and your good,

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Speaker 4: good people, and we love it so plenty more of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Tyler and I love doing the show,

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01:19:39,053 --> 01:19:40,972
Speaker 2: so it's great that people seem to be enjoyed listening

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01:19:41,013 --> 01:19:43,213
Speaker 2: to it in increasing numbers. That's bloody good.

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Speaker 4: Yep, we love you guys right onto this one. This

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01:19:46,013 --> 01:19:48,173
Speaker 4: will be a good discussion, but it might be a

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01:19:48,173 --> 01:19:50,372
Speaker 4: full on discussion. But it's happening more and more. We're

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01:19:50,372 --> 01:19:52,812
Speaker 4: talking about dog attacks, and clearly it has been in

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01:19:52,812 --> 01:19:54,333
Speaker 4: the news a hell of a lot over the last

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Speaker 4: couple of years, but the latest incident was very dramatic

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01:19:57,812 --> 01:20:01,053
Speaker 4: and full on. A rampaging pitball launched itself from a

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Speaker 4: moving vehicle and stormed into an Auckland jewelry store while

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Speaker 4: attempting to savage a lapdog, injuring an employee during the ordeal.

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01:20:07,933 --> 01:20:10,213
Speaker 4: So the work claimed the pitbull's owner has yet to

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Speaker 4: face any significant consequences, despite the attack causing a career

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Speaker 4: ending injury. It's incredibly terrifying and incredibly dramatic incidents, but

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Speaker 4: certainly when it comes to dog attacks or being threatened

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01:20:24,812 --> 01:20:26,972
Speaker 4: by dogs, it is something that appears to be happening

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Speaker 4: a bit more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not ideal, is it. So a

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Speaker 2: pitbull jumps out of a car, runs through the front

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Speaker 2: of a Michael Hill jeweler. It's trying to maul a

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01:20:34,812 --> 01:20:37,732
Speaker 2: lap dog that's in the customer's hand and Stacey pens

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Speaker 2: the employee, so she jumps out heroically to protect the

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Speaker 2: customer and the kavoodle. I believe, I believe it was kavodle.

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Speaker 2: I like a kavoodle. I don't want to see a

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Speaker 2: cave dogs mauled by a pitbull. And yeah, so she's

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01:20:51,893 --> 01:20:53,652
Speaker 2: had to have eight months off work and thinks her

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Speaker 2: careers over. The pitball owner has been issued an infringement

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Speaker 2: order along with an order to muzzle and inuter the

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Speaker 2: mass So what do you think about this? Should there

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01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:05,532
Speaker 2: be a bigger punishment of the dog jumps out of

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Speaker 2: a car and runs into a Michael Hill uller and

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01:21:09,412 --> 01:21:12,092
Speaker 2: causes all kinds of problems. You know, should and should

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01:21:12,133 --> 01:21:15,293
Speaker 2: that dog have been put down? And or is that

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01:21:15,412 --> 01:21:17,412
Speaker 2: just life? Dog? Dogs will be dogs. You know we

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01:21:17,452 --> 01:21:20,253
Speaker 2: love dogs. I love dogs, Yeah, I don't love I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't love a pit bull that attacked my dog, Colin.

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Speaker 3: Why you're buying a nice ring.

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Speaker 2: But it seems unlikely that the owner wanted this to happen.

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01:21:27,333 --> 01:21:31,093
Speaker 2: You know that the owner didn't sick the dog on

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Speaker 2: the Michael Hill jeweler. You know, this kind of dog

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01:21:34,532 --> 01:21:37,052
Speaker 2: attack is rere. Is that just the price we sometimes

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01:21:37,053 --> 01:21:39,812
Speaker 2: pay for having man's best friend running around generally making

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01:21:39,853 --> 01:21:42,812
Speaker 2: the world a happier place. Where is there some gray

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01:21:42,812 --> 01:21:45,173
Speaker 2: area in the middle between killing the dog and letting

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Speaker 2: it run free?

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Speaker 3: You know, hopefully there's some gray area there.

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01:21:48,053 --> 01:21:50,213
Speaker 2: I certain dogs. It seems that pit bulls do seem

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01:21:50,253 --> 01:21:54,972
Speaker 2: to cause, you know, more problems than other dogs. Certainly

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01:21:55,772 --> 01:21:58,293
Speaker 2: cause more problems than a Mini Schnauzer mixed with a

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Speaker 2: Jack Russell like I've got. I mean, it could do

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01:22:01,612 --> 01:22:04,293
Speaker 2: very little damage in a Michael Hill jewel and my dog.

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Speaker 3: You could take on a Colin. Collin's a good boy,

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01:22:06,213 --> 01:22:07,973
Speaker 3: though he's a very good boy. This football was not

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Speaker 3: a good.

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Speaker 2: The dog owners should also be put down. Okay, well,

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01:22:12,213 --> 01:22:14,372
Speaker 2: I mean that's the that's the extreme end of it.

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01:22:15,652 --> 01:22:20,333
Speaker 2: The dog should be destroyed immediately. There you go. Pitbull

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01:22:20,372 --> 01:22:22,733
Speaker 2: should be put down, no question about it, says Bob.

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Speaker 4: Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty. It is a bit

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01:22:25,173 --> 01:22:27,772
Speaker 4: of a nuanced discussion. I mean, clearly there has been

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01:22:27,812 --> 01:22:30,612
Speaker 4: calls for some stronger ramifications for the owners, and that's

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01:22:30,692 --> 01:22:32,973
Speaker 4: generally I think where I sit. I think when it

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01:22:33,013 --> 01:22:36,452
Speaker 4: comes to dog owners, they've got to face the ramifications yet,

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01:22:36,492 --> 01:22:38,333
Speaker 4: because it comes down to how you train your dog

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01:22:38,452 --> 01:22:40,973
Speaker 4: and the control that you have with your dog, and

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Speaker 4: also the breed that you choose. Matt, you've picked a

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Speaker 4: breed that's a very beautiful breed, but I understand quite

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01:22:46,372 --> 01:22:49,253
Speaker 4: an easy to control breed. But if you don't have

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Speaker 4: ConTroll as an owner, even with the window down, and

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that was an accident, and I'm sure that

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Speaker 4: he didn't want the pitball to jump out and run

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Speaker 4: into that jewelry store, but that's your mistake as an owner,

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Speaker 4: and you're going to face the consequences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's be clear, it didn't kill the dog,

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Speaker 2: It didn't kill anyone or any dog did it? I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a career ender. I mean, I'll be interested. I

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Speaker 2: mean she says her career is so she was. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure what she did in the Michael Hill Jewelers,

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Speaker 2: whether she was an intricate jeweler that was, you know,

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01:23:16,293 --> 01:23:20,092
Speaker 2: fixing things. I mean, do you do that, Michael Old jeweler?

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01:23:20,692 --> 01:23:22,452
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, do you do they fixed? Do they

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01:23:22,452 --> 01:23:24,692
Speaker 2: fixed stuff? And Michael hild Dael, it's a good question

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01:23:24,732 --> 01:23:27,612
Speaker 2: if you work in that Michael Hill. They might change batteries,

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01:23:27,652 --> 01:23:29,412
Speaker 2: but do they fix straps or anything? Or is Michael

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Speaker 2: Michael Hill jeweler rop Michael Hill jeweler. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm be interested in order job is. But apparently she's

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01:23:36,973 --> 01:23:38,932
Speaker 2: had eight months off work in her careers over So

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Speaker 2: I mean that's not good, is it?

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 3: Certainly not.

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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:23:43,372 --> 01:23:44,732
Speaker 4: How do you feel about this? So there need to

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01:23:44,732 --> 01:23:46,973
Speaker 4: be stronger dog laws? Do owners need to face some

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Speaker 4: more responsibility? Or is this just a tragic accident and

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01:23:51,572 --> 01:23:53,293
Speaker 4: the right outcome was had? Really? Can to have a

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01:23:53,372 --> 01:23:55,013
Speaker 4: chat with you? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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01:23:55,013 --> 01:23:57,732
Speaker 4: the number to call? It is twelve past three US talks,

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01:23:57,772 --> 01:24:01,492
Speaker 4: it'd be afternoon. It is fourteen pass three. So should

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01:24:01,532 --> 01:24:05,052
Speaker 4: there be stronger laws and ramifications and consequences for dogs

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01:24:05,093 --> 01:24:08,092
Speaker 4: and their owners if there are incidents or attacks?

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01:24:08,333 --> 01:24:09,452
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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01:24:09,572 --> 01:24:11,732
Speaker 4: This is after a pit bull managed to escape out

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Speaker 4: of the owner's window go into a drawlery store, apparently

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01:24:14,572 --> 01:24:18,932
Speaker 4: going for a small kavoodoo a kavoodle, and unfortunately one

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01:24:18,933 --> 01:24:20,492
Speaker 4: of the employees got in the way to try and

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01:24:20,492 --> 01:24:22,492
Speaker 4: save this dog and got very badly hurt. So what

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01:24:22,532 --> 01:24:24,213
Speaker 4: do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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01:24:24,333 --> 01:24:27,093
Speaker 2: Dog owners need to be made more accountable, says this text.

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01:24:27,293 --> 01:24:29,972
Speaker 2: If a dog bites someone, that's assault and the owner

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01:24:30,013 --> 01:24:34,253
Speaker 2: should be held responsible. I mean, that does happen. Please

1852
01:24:34,293 --> 01:24:36,892
Speaker 2: don't demonize the breed. I've dealt with more vicious attacks

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01:24:36,893 --> 01:24:38,852
Speaker 2: by normal dogs than bully breeds. A lot of people

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01:24:38,933 --> 01:24:41,572
Speaker 2: saying that, saying that, you know, it's unfair to say

1855
01:24:41,572 --> 01:24:45,092
Speaker 2: that pit bulls are just bad dogs. But then again,

1856
01:24:45,372 --> 01:24:49,012
Speaker 2: there's this person here that's saying, I'm sick of hearing

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01:24:49,053 --> 01:24:50,892
Speaker 2: no such thing as a bad dog. It's all about

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01:24:50,933 --> 01:24:52,972
Speaker 2: the owners. Have you ever heard of a Golden Retriever

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01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:55,293
Speaker 2: jumping off outer car into a shop to moll or

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01:24:55,372 --> 01:24:58,052
Speaker 2: smaller dog. I don't think so. Some breeds are bred

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01:24:58,093 --> 01:25:00,692
Speaker 2: because they are aggressive. The dogs should have absolutely been

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01:25:00,692 --> 01:25:03,732
Speaker 2: put down and the owner find those dogs should be muzzled,

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01:25:03,893 --> 01:25:07,412
Speaker 2: no question about it. Trish, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 16: Hi. So I'm really curious about this whole situation. I mean,

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01:25:16,412 --> 01:25:20,253
Speaker 16: I've been brought up in a dog situation. All our

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01:25:20,333 --> 01:25:26,093
Speaker 16: lives had dogs, different ones, hunting dogs, farm dogs. Some

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01:25:26,253 --> 01:25:28,812
Speaker 16: dogs just have her have it in their mind that's

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01:25:28,853 --> 01:25:31,692
Speaker 16: what they're going to do. And that dog obviously did

1869
01:25:33,013 --> 01:25:35,293
Speaker 16: and it. You know, I just think if there was

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01:25:35,333 --> 01:25:38,213
Speaker 16: a little girl walking along the road and that dog

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01:25:38,253 --> 01:25:41,532
Speaker 16: got out and mulled her and the dog, it would

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01:25:41,532 --> 01:25:45,133
Speaker 16: be a different story. Regardless of the breed, that dog

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01:25:45,173 --> 01:25:48,852
Speaker 16: should be put down because it can't be trusted. I've

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01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:52,053
Speaker 16: got a dog we've been on the farm. She is

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01:25:52,093 --> 01:25:57,772
Speaker 16: a Popham hunter. We now live in the town and

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01:25:57,853 --> 01:26:01,652
Speaker 16: unfortunately cats look like Posthams. But she has a command

1877
01:26:01,973 --> 01:26:05,372
Speaker 16: and she knows that what that command is and she

1878
01:26:05,532 --> 01:26:08,053
Speaker 16: stands down as soon as she I say it. So

1879
01:26:09,372 --> 01:26:12,772
Speaker 16: there is way to control your dogs. But it's that

1880
01:26:13,053 --> 01:26:15,412
Speaker 16: poor lady who stepped in, you know, she should get

1881
01:26:15,412 --> 01:26:15,732
Speaker 16: a medal.

1882
01:26:16,253 --> 01:26:18,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the dog, you know, part of the an

1883
01:26:19,133 --> 01:26:23,053
Speaker 2: infringement order has been you know, the council has an

1884
01:26:23,093 --> 01:26:26,173
Speaker 2: order to muzzle and new to the dog. So this

1885
01:26:26,293 --> 01:26:30,052
Speaker 2: pitbull is will be well as long as they follow

1886
01:26:30,213 --> 01:26:33,532
Speaker 2: follow the rules, be muzzled out and about and newted.

1887
01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:36,892
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd actually like to know from a vet.

1888
01:26:36,933 --> 01:26:38,892
Speaker 2: Actually I don't know if there's the details of this,

1889
01:26:39,013 --> 01:26:41,852
Speaker 2: but if a dog's aggressive and then you neuter it,

1890
01:26:41,893 --> 01:26:44,532
Speaker 2: does it does it lose its aggression straight away?

1891
01:26:44,612 --> 01:26:45,293
Speaker 16: Or do it does?

1892
01:26:46,333 --> 01:26:46,492
Speaker 15: Know?

1893
01:26:46,612 --> 01:26:50,213
Speaker 16: Not all dogs, not all dogs roll, they will become

1894
01:26:50,253 --> 01:26:54,013
Speaker 16: a less aggressive. But that dog was on a tackmode.

1895
01:26:54,013 --> 01:26:57,572
Speaker 16: That's a totally different different thing. A dog is on

1896
01:26:57,612 --> 01:26:59,933
Speaker 16: a tackmode that that's nothing to do with it. It

1897
01:27:00,133 --> 01:27:02,253
Speaker 16: just it's out to get that that thing. It's like

1898
01:27:02,293 --> 01:27:05,412
Speaker 16: when dogs go after lambs. It's in that attack mode

1899
01:27:05,412 --> 01:27:08,492
Speaker 16: and nothing like that was going to stop it. Think

1900
01:27:08,492 --> 01:27:11,492
Speaker 16: it should be put down for the sake children. I

1901
01:27:11,532 --> 01:27:15,573
Speaker 16: mean of dogs on my life from from our stations,

1902
01:27:15,612 --> 01:27:20,972
Speaker 16: the fox terriers all through and and you know we've

1903
01:27:20,973 --> 01:27:23,812
Speaker 16: had to face some consequences. Women have had an animal

1904
01:27:23,853 --> 01:27:30,412
Speaker 16: which no matter what we did was aggressive, and sadly

1905
01:27:30,973 --> 01:27:34,053
Speaker 16: we have them had to make that decision because we

1906
01:27:34,053 --> 01:27:39,973
Speaker 16: couldn't dog even out and about every day, So it's heartbreaking.

1907
01:27:40,133 --> 01:27:43,053
Speaker 16: Could you love them and something is just in them?

1908
01:27:43,853 --> 01:27:47,093
Speaker 3: So no, Yeah, well I agree with you.

1909
01:27:47,612 --> 01:27:51,372
Speaker 4: If my dog, ever God forbid, attack the child, clearly

1910
01:27:51,412 --> 01:27:53,372
Speaker 4: we'd have to put that dog down and I'd face,

1911
01:27:53,492 --> 01:27:56,692
Speaker 4: quite rightly a mass of fine and some and some

1912
01:27:56,732 --> 01:27:57,933
Speaker 4: serious consequences.

1913
01:27:58,133 --> 01:27:59,692
Speaker 3: But in this instance, I don't know.

1914
01:27:59,732 --> 01:27:59,972
Speaker 2: True.

1915
01:28:00,093 --> 01:28:02,692
Speaker 4: I think for the most part, unless this dog has

1916
01:28:02,692 --> 01:28:05,932
Speaker 4: a history of attacking people or being aggressive, that's different.

1917
01:28:06,013 --> 01:28:08,892
Speaker 4: That's almost like a three strikes policy. But in general,

1918
01:28:08,933 --> 01:28:12,852
Speaker 4: my my thinking is that you do everything you can

1919
01:28:12,933 --> 01:28:15,133
Speaker 4: to save the dog's life, and the owner should face

1920
01:28:15,173 --> 01:28:18,732
Speaker 4: the ramifications here and whether this owner has faced enough ramifications,

1921
01:28:18,933 --> 01:28:21,532
Speaker 4: I don't think so. But putting down a dog should

1922
01:28:21,572 --> 01:28:24,333
Speaker 4: be just for the dogs that cannot be saved.

1923
01:28:25,253 --> 01:28:25,532
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1924
01:28:25,572 --> 01:28:27,612
Speaker 16: Well, yes, as a way of looking at it, but

1925
01:28:28,492 --> 01:28:31,732
Speaker 16: that when a dog just jumps out for and it

1926
01:28:31,772 --> 01:28:34,253
Speaker 16: looks at something, it's on an attack mode. And that's

1927
01:28:34,293 --> 01:28:37,653
Speaker 16: totally different to what you're talking about, where just bite.

1928
01:28:37,452 --> 01:28:40,213
Speaker 2: People just because yeah, I mean, I mean, it's it's

1929
01:28:40,253 --> 01:28:41,892
Speaker 2: jumped out of it. It's jumped out of the window.

1930
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Speaker 2: It's jumped out of a window, Trishan. It's gone like

1931
01:28:44,412 --> 01:28:47,092
Speaker 2: a it's gone like a missile into a Michael Hill Jewelers.

1932
01:28:47,133 --> 01:28:49,052
Speaker 2: And it's a tactic of voodle. It was on a mission,

1933
01:28:49,093 --> 01:28:49,932
Speaker 2: you're right, trash.

1934
01:28:50,333 --> 01:28:52,973
Speaker 16: Yeah, it was on a mission. And now during it

1935
01:28:53,692 --> 01:28:56,133
Speaker 16: and musling, well, muzzling it will stop it from buying,

1936
01:28:56,253 --> 01:29:00,093
Speaker 16: but will lessen it. But it's still in. It's still

1937
01:29:00,133 --> 01:29:00,732
Speaker 16: in that dog.

1938
01:29:01,293 --> 01:29:03,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Called it's rough sce. I called a

1939
01:29:04,013 --> 01:29:06,333
Speaker 2: rough job working in a Michael Hill jeweler, doesn't it.

1940
01:29:06,452 --> 01:29:08,692
Speaker 2: I mean, we're not hearing so much of it. But

1941
01:29:08,732 --> 01:29:11,772
Speaker 2: you know, it's one thing working in there with all

1942
01:29:11,853 --> 01:29:14,892
Speaker 2: the you know a holes that run in and smash

1943
01:29:14,933 --> 01:29:18,052
Speaker 2: the place up and try and steal stuff, let alone

1944
01:29:18,173 --> 01:29:20,612
Speaker 2: pit bulls running in and attacking kvoodles in front of you.

1945
01:29:20,893 --> 01:29:22,732
Speaker 2: It's been a rough time for Uturing a male dog

1946
01:29:22,933 --> 01:29:27,333
Speaker 2: can reduce aggression, particularly towards other dogs and into territorial behaviors.

1947
01:29:27,333 --> 01:29:30,093
Speaker 2: Neutering lowess testosterone levels, which are linked to aggression in

1948
01:29:30,173 --> 01:29:33,053
Speaker 2: male dogs. While it's not a guarantee fixed for all

1949
01:29:33,093 --> 01:29:36,413
Speaker 2: aggressive behaviors, utering can help decrease the intensity and frequency

1950
01:29:36,732 --> 01:29:38,452
Speaker 2: of aggression in many cases.

1951
01:29:38,853 --> 01:29:41,333
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, I think it would make me a bit calmer.

1952
01:29:42,013 --> 01:29:43,973
Speaker 2: Right, have you not been you? I always assume you

1953
01:29:44,013 --> 01:29:44,652
Speaker 2: had been muted.

1954
01:29:44,732 --> 01:29:47,492
Speaker 3: It's interesting, Funnily enough, I haven't yet. Oh eight hundred

1955
01:29:47,612 --> 01:29:49,452
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1956
01:29:49,853 --> 01:29:53,053
Speaker 4: What's your thoughts about the consequences dog owners face if

1957
01:29:53,093 --> 01:29:55,532
Speaker 4: their dogs do get out and try and attack other

1958
01:29:55,572 --> 01:29:57,732
Speaker 4: dogs or, in this case sadly have injured someone.

1959
01:29:57,772 --> 01:29:59,492
Speaker 3: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty as the number to call.

1960
01:29:59,532 --> 01:30:00,493
Speaker 3: It's twenty pass.

1961
01:30:00,293 --> 01:30:07,133
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight

1962
01:30:07,253 --> 01:30:09,813
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on News Talk zby.

1963
01:30:10,933 --> 01:30:12,253
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you.

1964
01:30:12,452 --> 01:30:15,452
Speaker 4: It is twenty two past three, and we're talking about

1965
01:30:15,492 --> 01:30:20,173
Speaker 4: the ramifications for dog owners when it comes to situations

1966
01:30:20,213 --> 01:30:23,972
Speaker 4: such as this story. So arraging, rampaging pitball launched itself

1967
01:30:23,973 --> 01:30:27,652
Speaker 4: from a car window into a jewlery store going for

1968
01:30:27,812 --> 01:30:30,333
Speaker 4: a little kovoodle that it clearly had a problem with.

1969
01:30:30,492 --> 01:30:32,973
Speaker 4: Then one of the employees, according to this article, and

1970
01:30:32,973 --> 01:30:35,213
Speaker 4: we'll try and get a hold of this particular employee,

1971
01:30:35,333 --> 01:30:39,133
Speaker 4: wrestled the dog off the kavoodle and the owner of

1972
01:30:39,173 --> 01:30:41,812
Speaker 4: the kavoodle, and then injured her shoulder while she was

1973
01:30:41,812 --> 01:30:43,133
Speaker 4: trying to pull this pitbull off.

1974
01:30:43,253 --> 01:30:45,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know a lot of people are saying

1975
01:30:46,333 --> 01:30:49,333
Speaker 2: by the human death sentence end of the story. I

1976
01:30:49,333 --> 01:30:52,053
Speaker 2: don't think, you know, unless I'm missing something. And as

1977
01:30:52,053 --> 01:30:54,412
Speaker 2: I say, we're trying to get hold of Stacy pen

1978
01:30:54,492 --> 01:30:56,412
Speaker 2: to talk to her about it. But unless I'm missing something,

1979
01:30:56,452 --> 01:31:03,053
Speaker 2: I think the pitbull trying to the Actually, Okay, I

1980
01:31:03,053 --> 01:31:05,013
Speaker 2: have just heard that we're not allowed to talk to

1981
01:31:05,053 --> 01:31:06,372
Speaker 2: her because she's on Hea this show.

1982
01:31:06,812 --> 01:31:09,452
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Yeah, I don't know what.

1983
01:31:09,412 --> 01:31:11,372
Speaker 2: Time we reached out to her, but she's chosen here

1984
01:31:11,412 --> 01:31:11,772
Speaker 2: this show.

1985
01:31:12,293 --> 01:31:13,133
Speaker 3: I can't dry it right.

1986
01:31:13,173 --> 01:31:17,812
Speaker 4: Well, drive time, she wants the drive time fair enough.

1987
01:31:17,853 --> 01:31:20,012
Speaker 3: Well, here's the quote that she said in this article.

1988
01:31:20,093 --> 01:31:20,812
Speaker 3: So just she.

1989
01:31:20,772 --> 01:31:23,492
Speaker 2: Finished my thoughts. Sorry, dear Tyler. I believe that she

1990
01:31:24,253 --> 01:31:28,613
Speaker 2: that she was protecting her heroically, the kavoodle and the customer.

1991
01:31:29,452 --> 01:31:32,372
Speaker 2: But I don't think that the the pit bull actually

1992
01:31:32,372 --> 01:31:35,173
Speaker 2: bit her. I think it was the yanking around of

1993
01:31:35,213 --> 01:31:38,892
Speaker 2: the strong pitbull that messed up her shoulder, hence her

1994
01:31:38,893 --> 01:31:42,293
Speaker 2: having spent eight months off work and was ultimately unable

1995
01:31:42,333 --> 01:31:44,773
Speaker 2: to return due to lifting requirements.

1996
01:31:45,173 --> 01:31:47,412
Speaker 4: YEP, spot on one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1997
01:31:47,452 --> 01:31:49,972
Speaker 4: the number to call if you text on this one

1998
01:31:50,053 --> 01:31:53,092
Speaker 4: guy's a dog's propensity to bite plus one bite equals

1999
01:31:53,133 --> 01:31:56,333
Speaker 4: the bullets plus automatic prosecution of the owner. This used

2000
01:31:56,333 --> 01:31:59,293
Speaker 4: to be the position under previous dog control legislation. Too

2001
01:31:59,293 --> 01:32:02,732
Speaker 4: many uncontrolled, threatening dogs out there from Bruce. But again, Bruce,

2002
01:32:02,812 --> 01:32:05,492
Speaker 4: this wasn't a situation where the dog a bit a human.

2003
01:32:05,532 --> 01:32:08,173
Speaker 4: It was going for the kavoodle. And this woman injured

2004
01:32:08,213 --> 01:32:11,773
Speaker 4: her shoulder trying to pull the pitbull out of that situation,

2005
01:32:11,893 --> 01:32:13,333
Speaker 4: and that's how she sustained her injury.

2006
01:32:13,452 --> 01:32:14,253
Speaker 3: So it is a bit different.

2007
01:32:14,293 --> 01:32:16,692
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to paraphrase this because it's quite aggressive text.

2008
01:32:16,732 --> 01:32:21,412
Speaker 2: But it's starve a pitball for two weeks, cover the

2009
01:32:21,492 --> 01:32:26,692
Speaker 2: driver in blood from rotten steak, and then release a

2010
01:32:26,732 --> 01:32:29,532
Speaker 2: pitball into the car with the driver.

2011
01:32:31,732 --> 01:32:34,852
Speaker 3: That's very medieval. It's a hell of a punishment.

2012
01:32:34,853 --> 01:32:39,053
Speaker 2: That's a very medieval punishment. It's very I for eye

2013
01:32:39,093 --> 01:32:41,532
Speaker 2: kind of punishment, isn't it our welcome to the show?

2014
01:32:42,412 --> 01:32:43,053
Speaker 13: Yeah, how are we?

2015
01:32:43,293 --> 01:32:45,892
Speaker 9: That's a bit groom and.

2016
01:32:45,812 --> 01:32:47,732
Speaker 2: A ca I don't think we support that.

2017
01:32:48,612 --> 01:32:51,652
Speaker 13: No, No, But I can say, I'll see been a

2018
01:32:51,732 --> 01:32:55,293
Speaker 13: farmer and been taken a for years training all sorts

2019
01:32:55,333 --> 01:32:58,053
Speaker 13: of different kind of dolls. I think what everyone sort

2020
01:32:58,053 --> 01:33:02,333
Speaker 13: of passes on is one. It's the type of breed.

2021
01:33:02,492 --> 01:33:05,213
Speaker 13: So the owners need to when they're going to buy

2022
01:33:05,253 --> 01:33:07,412
Speaker 13: a doll like that or raise a doll like that,

2023
01:33:07,492 --> 01:33:10,692
Speaker 13: they need specially requirement special abilities to be able to

2024
01:33:10,692 --> 01:33:12,452
Speaker 13: blow the energy out of those dogs.

2025
01:33:12,853 --> 01:33:13,412
Speaker 9: Because they do.

2026
01:33:13,532 --> 01:33:15,652
Speaker 13: They sit at home and on the kennel and get

2027
01:33:15,732 --> 01:33:17,852
Speaker 13: stir crazy and they just bark at people and that's

2028
01:33:17,853 --> 01:33:21,452
Speaker 13: when the aggression start. And they raise a good point

2029
01:33:21,492 --> 01:33:24,173
Speaker 13: in saying murdering actually does a lot more than what

2030
01:33:24,173 --> 01:33:26,652
Speaker 13: people realize, but it's on time frames and when you

2031
01:33:26,772 --> 01:33:29,412
Speaker 13: needed them. There's no point of doing that now depending

2032
01:33:29,412 --> 01:33:33,492
Speaker 13: on his age, because he's already learned that aggression. You've

2033
01:33:33,492 --> 01:33:35,772
Speaker 13: got to do that early and at the get go

2034
01:33:36,013 --> 01:33:39,572
Speaker 13: and put someone on a dormant sort of easy sort

2035
01:33:39,612 --> 01:33:42,372
Speaker 13: of mindset, and then you can train off that and

2036
01:33:42,772 --> 01:33:44,732
Speaker 13: keep that going. But if you do it, if you

2037
01:33:44,732 --> 01:33:46,852
Speaker 13: don't do it, they'll have that dest off and that

2038
01:33:46,973 --> 01:33:51,452
Speaker 13: boy stress and that I suppose going them so you

2039
01:33:51,532 --> 01:33:53,452
Speaker 13: can't harness it or control it. When they get old,

2040
01:33:53,492 --> 01:33:55,452
Speaker 13: because I'm in the old saying you can't teach old

2041
01:33:55,452 --> 01:33:58,612
Speaker 13: dogs and tricks, and in some circumstances when when it

2042
01:33:58,652 --> 01:34:02,253
Speaker 13: comes to aggression, you can't. It's bloody hard to get

2043
01:34:02,253 --> 01:34:03,932
Speaker 13: it out of them. And if you do ever get

2044
01:34:03,933 --> 01:34:05,532
Speaker 13: it out of them, it's not a very pretty way

2045
01:34:05,532 --> 01:34:05,932
Speaker 13: to do it.

2046
01:34:06,692 --> 01:34:08,972
Speaker 2: Hey, this is a question and online on this because

2047
01:34:08,973 --> 01:34:13,293
Speaker 2: I've only ever had new to dogs. But yeah, what

2048
01:34:13,492 --> 01:34:16,532
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess people leave the back wheels on

2049
01:34:16,572 --> 01:34:18,093
Speaker 2: because they want to breed with them. I guess that's

2050
01:34:18,133 --> 01:34:19,612
Speaker 2: why they choose to do it.

2051
01:34:20,293 --> 01:34:23,173
Speaker 13: Yes, yeah, and that's one thing. But then I mean,

2052
01:34:23,213 --> 01:34:25,093
Speaker 13: if you can't control the dog, no one's going to

2053
01:34:25,093 --> 01:34:26,013
Speaker 13: buy your dog, are you?

2054
01:34:26,692 --> 01:34:27,612
Speaker 9: So I suppose it.

2055
01:34:27,572 --> 01:34:29,333
Speaker 13: All comes down so if you want to be a breeder,

2056
01:34:29,372 --> 01:34:29,892
Speaker 13: then you need.

2057
01:34:29,812 --> 01:34:31,972
Speaker 9: To be able to control that to do it.

2058
01:34:33,372 --> 01:34:38,372
Speaker 13: Otherwise before you needed them, maybe you get the spoon baking,

2059
01:34:38,452 --> 01:34:41,372
Speaker 13: then freeze them, sotell. But you to be honest with you,

2060
01:34:41,452 --> 01:34:43,732
Speaker 13: if you're going to breed, no one's going to buy

2061
01:34:43,772 --> 01:34:46,372
Speaker 13: a dog off you if it's it's as wild as anything.

2062
01:34:47,213 --> 01:34:49,372
Speaker 13: But then I think regulations need to come into place

2063
01:34:49,412 --> 01:34:52,532
Speaker 13: there too, Like if you can't prove or have a

2064
01:34:52,572 --> 01:34:54,572
Speaker 13: go to a course or do something to prove that

2065
01:34:54,612 --> 01:34:56,572
Speaker 13: you can be able to handle those kind of breeds,

2066
01:34:56,572 --> 01:34:58,692
Speaker 13: because it's not like you Jeck Russell, but they're not.

2067
01:34:58,853 --> 01:35:01,812
Speaker 13: They are firing and upling, going to do but they

2068
01:35:01,853 --> 01:35:05,812
Speaker 13: haven't got that aggression towards humans or anything else. They

2069
01:35:05,853 --> 01:35:08,093
Speaker 13: got their aggression with little animals, little brabbits in there.

2070
01:35:08,133 --> 01:35:10,572
Speaker 13: But and you know, I think people need to be

2071
01:35:10,692 --> 01:35:14,412
Speaker 13: under some sort of jurisdiction to be able to bring

2072
01:35:14,412 --> 01:35:16,732
Speaker 13: these dogs up, otherwise they will they'll just turn fear aal.

2073
01:35:17,732 --> 01:35:20,652
Speaker 2: What kind of dogs do you breed on on on farms, elf?

2074
01:35:22,213 --> 01:35:23,053
Speaker 20: Well, I did a.

2075
01:35:22,973 --> 01:35:24,973
Speaker 13: Lot of SECA dogs. So I took a lot of

2076
01:35:25,053 --> 01:35:28,372
Speaker 13: SCA dogs and I broke them in to be pig dogs,

2077
01:35:28,372 --> 01:35:30,293
Speaker 13: and some of them I broke them into be Kendle dogs.

2078
01:35:30,293 --> 01:35:34,452
Speaker 13: And otherwise it's just farm dogs just wear the mouths

2079
01:35:34,492 --> 01:35:35,772
Speaker 13: and mates and all the rest of them. We just

2080
01:35:35,812 --> 01:35:37,412
Speaker 13: trade ups and all the rest. And that's how I

2081
01:35:37,532 --> 01:35:42,652
Speaker 13: sort of growing up. But then to me, SBHA dogs

2082
01:35:42,692 --> 01:35:44,812
Speaker 13: ended up being most pitfalls and rock wheelers and all

2083
01:35:44,812 --> 01:35:47,173
Speaker 13: the rest of that, not drop wheelers but fitballs, and

2084
01:35:47,213 --> 01:35:50,492
Speaker 13: that they actually were the best loyal friends. Competitions that

2085
01:35:50,532 --> 01:35:51,452
Speaker 13: you could have, and so.

2086
01:35:51,772 --> 01:35:53,213
Speaker 2: You think you're you're along with these people that are

2087
01:35:53,253 --> 01:35:55,972
Speaker 2: texting and saying, it's not the breed, it's the it's

2088
01:35:56,013 --> 01:35:59,253
Speaker 2: the you know, it's the owner not understanding how to

2089
01:35:59,293 --> 01:36:02,093
Speaker 2: deal with the breed. So if if a pitbull is

2090
01:36:02,093 --> 01:36:04,053
Speaker 2: brought up in the right way and trained in the

2091
01:36:04,093 --> 01:36:06,692
Speaker 2: right way, can a pitball be a peaceful, peaceful animal

2092
01:36:06,692 --> 01:36:07,293
Speaker 2: that someone can.

2093
01:36:07,213 --> 01:36:10,572
Speaker 13: Have undred percent understand, I'd let the kid ride it,

2094
01:36:10,612 --> 01:36:13,612
Speaker 13: you know, and then you wove it. So to me,

2095
01:36:13,933 --> 01:36:17,092
Speaker 13: that whole scenario is just pure negligence from the owner.

2096
01:36:17,812 --> 01:36:20,133
Speaker 13: If they had that genuincy, which I can't believe that

2097
01:36:20,853 --> 01:36:23,412
Speaker 13: they would not have known that right to the injury

2098
01:36:23,612 --> 01:36:26,772
Speaker 13: if eccellent at the negligence they having that window open.

2099
01:36:28,452 --> 01:36:30,852
Speaker 4: But do you always put the I mean in this situation,

2100
01:36:30,893 --> 01:36:33,213
Speaker 4: and it is a unique situation, elf that if the

2101
01:36:33,213 --> 01:36:36,692
Speaker 4: dog didn't go for the employee ning question and the

2102
01:36:36,732 --> 01:36:38,692
Speaker 4: injury happened trying to pull the dog off, do you

2103
01:36:38,812 --> 01:36:41,412
Speaker 4: always go with putting down the dog? Wouldn't it make

2104
01:36:41,452 --> 01:36:44,173
Speaker 4: more sense in this situation if the owner wasn't responsible,

2105
01:36:44,173 --> 01:36:46,412
Speaker 4: that you ban that person from owning dogs, because it

2106
01:36:46,452 --> 01:36:48,812
Speaker 4: is it's a privilege, not a right that you ban

2107
01:36:48,973 --> 01:36:51,532
Speaker 4: them from owning dogs for a period of time. So

2108
01:36:51,612 --> 01:36:53,412
Speaker 4: because there's more, I mean, you know, my point is

2109
01:36:53,452 --> 01:36:56,612
Speaker 4: it's about owner responsibility, and I it does frustrate me.

2110
01:36:56,692 --> 01:36:58,572
Speaker 4: I'm a dog lover, clearly I am, and people will

2111
01:36:58,572 --> 01:37:00,572
Speaker 4: abuse me for being too woke on this, but it

2112
01:37:00,612 --> 01:37:03,532
Speaker 4: does piss me off when dogs are continually put down

2113
01:37:03,772 --> 01:37:05,372
Speaker 4: because the owners were the kids.

2114
01:37:06,173 --> 01:37:09,693
Speaker 13: Yeah, now so I I to my from my perspective

2115
01:37:09,732 --> 01:37:11,772
Speaker 13: on that is it depends the age of that dog.

2116
01:37:12,692 --> 01:37:14,532
Speaker 13: Definitely should be taken away from the owner because the

2117
01:37:14,572 --> 01:37:17,132
Speaker 13: owner can't handle it. And then having that risk around

2118
01:37:17,293 --> 01:37:21,812
Speaker 13: in town for any other possibly human or other little animals,

2119
01:37:21,812 --> 01:37:25,372
Speaker 13: canceled dogs or whatever it is, that's just not something

2120
01:37:25,412 --> 01:37:28,012
Speaker 13: that should be around in town, you know, like little

2121
01:37:28,652 --> 01:37:32,893
Speaker 13: The other scary thing is little kids are also perceived

2122
01:37:32,973 --> 01:37:35,932
Speaker 13: as as little dogs too. You know that the dogs

2123
01:37:36,013 --> 01:37:39,372
Speaker 13: have that that different with adults and hard with kids.

2124
01:37:39,372 --> 01:37:40,812
Speaker 13: And I don't know to people with kids that have

2125
01:37:40,933 --> 01:37:44,253
Speaker 13: had no potentially aggressive dogs will notice that too, that

2126
01:37:44,333 --> 01:37:48,372
Speaker 13: they are I'll be mindful around him because he you know,

2127
01:37:49,612 --> 01:37:52,772
Speaker 13: so I think that dog may be on age. You

2128
01:37:52,853 --> 01:37:54,572
Speaker 13: might be able to save it to another family that'll

2129
01:37:54,572 --> 01:37:56,532
Speaker 13: be able to handle it because it's not like said

2130
01:37:56,652 --> 01:37:58,652
Speaker 13: at a human, but it's still had another dog. And

2131
01:37:58,692 --> 01:38:02,572
Speaker 13: then ways that we've got around it into severe cases

2132
01:38:02,572 --> 01:38:06,612
Speaker 13: on the farm is packing them just get the dogs

2133
01:38:06,612 --> 01:38:10,652
Speaker 13: attack them, and it's a sort of hierarchy. The hierarchy

2134
01:38:10,652 --> 01:38:11,932
Speaker 13: is pretty well the only way to get it out

2135
01:38:11,973 --> 01:38:15,772
Speaker 13: of them in their own sort of species. So yeah,

2136
01:38:15,853 --> 01:38:17,532
Speaker 13: I don't know. It depends on the age of dog.

2137
01:38:17,612 --> 01:38:19,293
Speaker 13: The dog young enough to be able to, you know,

2138
01:38:19,492 --> 01:38:22,732
Speaker 13: potentially come back then do it. But to be honest

2139
01:38:22,732 --> 01:38:25,812
Speaker 13: with here, it needs to definitely come out of town,

2140
01:38:25,893 --> 01:38:29,133
Speaker 13: regardless look way it comes out, whether it gets here,

2141
01:38:29,293 --> 01:38:32,492
Speaker 13: put down or taken somewhere else, that it definitely needs

2142
01:38:32,492 --> 01:38:34,253
Speaker 13: to come out of town because you can't have that happening,

2143
01:38:34,333 --> 01:38:34,572
Speaker 13: can you.

2144
01:38:35,213 --> 01:38:38,012
Speaker 2: I think if you call alf the tests says, firstly,

2145
01:38:38,013 --> 01:38:39,933
Speaker 2: are you stupid? Why would you risk your safety for

2146
01:38:39,973 --> 01:38:42,213
Speaker 2: another dog? The dog's life is far less important than

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01:38:42,253 --> 01:38:45,053
Speaker 2: your person. I'm sure her career is not over. I'm

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01:38:45,053 --> 01:38:47,572
Speaker 2: sure she can work in retail. Again. Pitbulls are not

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01:38:47,612 --> 01:38:50,612
Speaker 2: inherently bad or dangerous. It's how they are raised and

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01:38:50,652 --> 01:38:52,892
Speaker 2: treated that will make them aggressive. I am a firm

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01:38:52,933 --> 01:38:55,812
Speaker 2: believer that if you are a dog owner of any breed, breed,

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01:38:55,893 --> 01:38:58,532
Speaker 2: you need to train your dog. Even small dogs should

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01:38:58,532 --> 01:39:00,972
Speaker 2: be trained. I hate when owners of small dogs think

2154
01:39:01,013 --> 01:39:03,933
Speaker 2: they can't do much damage, so why train them. The

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01:39:03,973 --> 01:39:06,612
Speaker 2: issue is that they then set off the big dogs

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01:39:06,612 --> 01:39:08,972
Speaker 2: with yapping and nipping at them. That's true. All dogs

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01:39:09,013 --> 01:39:11,213
Speaker 2: need to be controlled and restrained by the owner. So,

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01:39:12,053 --> 01:39:14,133
Speaker 2: as we said before, this woman that was attacked in

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01:39:14,173 --> 01:39:16,972
Speaker 2: the Michael Hill Jeweler, the employee of over twenty years,

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01:39:16,973 --> 01:39:20,452
Speaker 2: Stacy Penn. She'll be on with Heather Duplessy Yellen after

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01:39:20,452 --> 01:39:24,692
Speaker 2: four o'clock. But so, she wasn't stupid by by all accounts.

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01:39:24,732 --> 01:39:28,572
Speaker 2: She was heroic because she jumped in between the dog

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01:39:29,253 --> 01:39:32,412
Speaker 2: and the customer. And the customer so the customer had

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01:39:32,452 --> 01:39:36,892
Speaker 2: the lap dog. The pitbull was in the car driving past. Well,

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01:39:36,933 --> 01:39:39,213
Speaker 2: the pitbull wasn't driving the dog. Pretty sure that someone

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01:39:39,412 --> 01:39:41,253
Speaker 2: someone was driving the car. The pitbull was in the

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01:39:41,253 --> 01:39:43,692
Speaker 2: passenger seat, I believe. Not sure if the pit bull

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01:39:43,692 --> 01:39:46,052
Speaker 2: was wearing at seatbelt or not. I'm not sure.

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01:39:46,333 --> 01:39:46,812
Speaker 3: Good question.

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01:39:46,933 --> 01:39:50,372
Speaker 2: I'm the pitple had made it click. We'll find that out.

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01:39:50,412 --> 01:39:53,173
Speaker 2: But the pitbull saw the kavoodle, jumped out of the car,

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01:39:53,293 --> 01:39:56,492
Speaker 2: ran across the road into the Michael Hill Jeweler and

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01:39:56,612 --> 01:40:00,092
Speaker 2: this woman, Stacy Pen jumped out to protect the customer

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01:40:00,173 --> 01:40:03,412
Speaker 2: and the kavoodle. So I think she might be the

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01:40:03,452 --> 01:40:06,852
Speaker 2: hero in this situation. Sounds like you'll hear about the

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01:40:06,893 --> 01:40:08,972
Speaker 2: injuries that she got, but I'm pretty sure went bytes

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01:40:09,213 --> 01:40:09,892
Speaker 2: after four.

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Speaker 4: Yeap Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:40:12,253 --> 01:40:14,972
Speaker 4: to call? Does there need to be some stronger dog

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01:40:15,093 --> 01:40:17,532
Speaker 4: laws when it comes to owners who lose control of

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01:40:17,572 --> 01:40:20,333
Speaker 4: their dogs, or in this instance, should it be put

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01:40:20,372 --> 01:40:23,293
Speaker 4: the dog down if it's aggressive, if snowbuts love to

2183
01:40:23,333 --> 01:40:25,213
Speaker 4: hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty to

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01:40:25,333 --> 01:40:27,452
Speaker 4: number to call. Headlines with Wendy coming up twenty eight

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Speaker 4: two four.

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Speaker 8: US Talk said the headlines with blue Bubble taxis is

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01:40:33,692 --> 01:40:37,052
Speaker 8: no trouble with the Blue Bubble. Police have changed twelve

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01:40:37,133 --> 01:40:39,412
Speaker 8: people with murder in relation to the death of a

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01:40:39,532 --> 01:40:42,692
Speaker 8: rotru A man last month, including seven from Bay a

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01:40:42,772 --> 01:40:46,772
Speaker 8: Plenty town of Market. Twenty year old Zaye Takato Fox

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01:40:46,853 --> 01:40:50,372
Speaker 8: died in the Rotorua Hospital from critical injuries after being

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01:40:50,372 --> 01:40:53,892
Speaker 8: found on a roadside. Brand new helicopters and planes are

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01:40:53,933 --> 01:40:57,293
Speaker 8: coming to replace the Defense Force's aging fleet it's part

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01:40:57,293 --> 01:41:01,652
Speaker 8: of the twelve billion dollar defense capability plan. Mixed messages

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01:41:01,692 --> 01:41:05,333
Speaker 8: from Labour on gang patches last night. Labor MP and

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01:41:05,452 --> 01:41:09,293
Speaker 8: candidate pen Henare confirmed Labour would repair of a patch ban,

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01:41:09,692 --> 01:41:12,812
Speaker 8: but when asked today, Labour's deputy Carmel seid Balone said

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01:41:12,812 --> 01:41:16,372
Speaker 8: here Nada got it wrong. Auckland Council has approved draft

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Speaker 8: new housing density rules. It will see greater density around transport,

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01:41:20,293 --> 01:41:24,132
Speaker 8: hubs and town centers and less development and natural hazard areas.

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Speaker 8: Some mixed news from Kiwibank's latest results as reporting a

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01:41:28,053 --> 01:41:30,772
Speaker 8: five percent drop an annual profit, but lending us up

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01:41:30,772 --> 01:41:34,412
Speaker 8: ten percent and deposits are up eight percent plus. Gregor

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01:41:34,452 --> 01:41:37,253
Speaker 8: Paul on White, Scott Robinson's All Blacks gamble at center

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01:41:37,253 --> 01:41:39,852
Speaker 8: and Wing needs more time. See the full column at

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01:41:39,893 --> 01:41:42,173
Speaker 8: ends at Herald Premium. Now back to imagine Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about a

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01:41:44,853 --> 01:41:48,452
Speaker 4: dog attack, so quickly to refresh you. A rampaging pitbull

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01:41:48,492 --> 01:41:51,172
Speaker 4: launched itself from a moving vehicle, stormed into an Auckland

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01:41:51,213 --> 01:41:54,213
Speaker 4: jewelry store while attempting to savage a lapdog. One of

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01:41:54,213 --> 01:41:57,612
Speaker 4: the employees attempted to rip off this pitbull damaged to

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01:41:57,612 --> 01:42:00,333
Speaker 4: her shoulder and she mentioned in this article and she'll

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01:42:00,372 --> 01:42:03,532
Speaker 4: be speaking to Heather after four o'clock. She says that

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01:42:03,532 --> 01:42:07,253
Speaker 4: the pitbull's owner's owner is yet to face significant consequences

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01:42:07,412 --> 01:42:09,973
Speaker 4: and is calling four or the Auckland Council team to

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01:42:10,173 --> 01:42:12,213
Speaker 4: do more. So is she right? Does they need to

2217
01:42:12,213 --> 01:42:14,812
Speaker 4: be stronger consequences? One hundred and eighteen eighty is the

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01:42:14,893 --> 01:42:15,933
Speaker 4: number to call.

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01:42:15,973 --> 01:42:18,293
Speaker 2: Mark, welcome the show your sort of thoughts on man,

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01:42:18,333 --> 01:42:22,013
Speaker 2: I can't even speak. I'll try that again, make get

2221
01:42:22,053 --> 01:42:24,732
Speaker 2: a mark your thoughts on this. They'll do.

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01:42:24,853 --> 01:42:27,732
Speaker 20: Oh good a yeah, nice to hear from you, guys.

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01:42:28,053 --> 01:42:28,452
Speaker 9: Chat to you.

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01:42:28,933 --> 01:42:30,092
Speaker 20: I'm a dog rescuer.

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01:42:30,133 --> 01:42:32,412
Speaker 13: I've had seventy six over the last four years.

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01:42:33,572 --> 01:42:35,333
Speaker 2: How many did you say? Seventy six?

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01:42:35,492 --> 01:42:36,173
Speaker 9: Seventy six?

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01:42:36,412 --> 01:42:40,213
Speaker 20: Wow, it just comes and goes rolling door. We're all

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01:42:40,253 --> 01:42:44,093
Speaker 20: all the rescues are full. I've had Staffy's pitbulls, every

2230
01:42:44,173 --> 01:42:48,173
Speaker 20: breed you can imagine. I actually stopped fostering because I've

2231
01:42:48,293 --> 01:42:51,572
Speaker 20: taken on a Husky. I just want to bring home

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01:42:51,612 --> 01:42:54,532
Speaker 20: the point that, at one hundred percent is the dog

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01:42:54,612 --> 01:42:58,253
Speaker 20: owner's responsibility each one of my foster dogs. I would

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01:42:58,812 --> 01:43:04,092
Speaker 20: test every single dog with children, with small dogs, big dogs, male, female,

2235
01:43:04,133 --> 01:43:07,732
Speaker 20: et cetera. I got to really understand each individual dog

2236
01:43:07,772 --> 01:43:10,852
Speaker 20: and then need and that quirks my boy at the moment.

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01:43:11,013 --> 01:43:13,572
Speaker 20: I know that he's had his balls for you know,

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01:43:13,612 --> 01:43:15,253
Speaker 20: a year and a half, so he's got a bit

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01:43:15,293 --> 01:43:19,612
Speaker 20: of territorial nature with male dogs, you know. So I

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Speaker 20: make sure my leash is strong, he's got a good

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01:43:22,253 --> 01:43:24,533
Speaker 20: collar and harness, you know. I make sure he's contained.

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01:43:25,253 --> 01:43:27,973
Speaker 20: I don't leave my car door open so that the

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01:43:28,013 --> 01:43:32,133
Speaker 20: dog can jump out if he had the propensity to

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01:43:32,253 --> 01:43:34,692
Speaker 20: jump out, if he was that kind of dog. It

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01:43:34,772 --> 01:43:36,492
Speaker 20: kind of makes me think that this owner was not

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01:43:36,532 --> 01:43:37,372
Speaker 20: being responsible.

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01:43:37,412 --> 01:43:39,772
Speaker 2: We had a dog jumped out of the window like

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01:43:39,812 --> 01:43:42,173
Speaker 2: the door wasn't open. But yeah, I get you, yeah, yeah,

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01:43:42,492 --> 01:43:44,253
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.

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Speaker 20: And it comes back to one of the things that

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01:43:46,372 --> 01:43:49,013
Speaker 20: I have always encouraged a lot of dog owners to

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01:43:49,013 --> 01:43:52,572
Speaker 20: do is socialize your dogs early and often, especially during

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01:43:52,572 --> 01:43:55,852
Speaker 20: the puppy hood and teenage stage. It sounds like this

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01:43:56,013 --> 01:44:00,333
Speaker 20: dog was not socialized. It sounds like the cavertile was pobbery, challenging,

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01:44:00,452 --> 01:44:03,213
Speaker 20: or flaring to that dog. And but that gives that

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01:44:03,253 --> 01:44:05,452
Speaker 20: dog no right to jump out of the window of

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01:44:05,452 --> 01:44:07,692
Speaker 20: the car and bolt towards the dog. My dog would

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01:44:07,692 --> 01:44:12,813
Speaker 20: never do that, despite his you know mail on male difficulties.

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01:44:14,253 --> 01:44:16,412
Speaker 2: Hey, so you said that you've left the back wheels

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01:44:16,412 --> 01:44:19,692
Speaker 2: on your dog? Is that? And and so you know,

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01:44:19,812 --> 01:44:21,173
Speaker 2: what do you say about a year and a half?

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01:44:21,253 --> 01:44:25,052
Speaker 2: So are you saying that the aggression grows over time?

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01:44:26,213 --> 01:44:28,253
Speaker 2: And so if you left them off for longer, they'd

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01:44:28,333 --> 01:44:32,892
Speaker 2: be more aggressive. But you know we're talking four right, Okay, Sorry, you.

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Speaker 20: Got a lot of people. They make the mistake in

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01:44:36,612 --> 01:44:38,452
Speaker 20: thinking that neutering your dog is going to get rid

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01:44:38,452 --> 01:44:41,692
Speaker 20: of aggression. It doesn't. It calms them down, and it

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01:44:41,772 --> 01:44:44,572
Speaker 20: takes six months to do that. I firmly believe everyone

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01:44:44,612 --> 01:44:47,932
Speaker 20: should be neutering their dogs. If they don't have intention

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01:44:48,253 --> 01:44:51,573
Speaker 20: like a pure breed to breed them, it should be mandated.

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01:44:51,612 --> 01:44:54,772
Speaker 20: In fact, I think there's a charity that was trying

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01:44:54,772 --> 01:44:58,253
Speaker 20: to ban the life chaining of dogs back in twenty

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01:44:58,333 --> 01:45:01,412
Speaker 20: twenty or twenty twenty one Chain Dog of Winness. That

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01:45:01,812 --> 01:45:06,772
Speaker 20: bill actually sat past the petitions committee. And what's changed

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01:45:07,612 --> 01:45:11,492
Speaker 20: people what we call life chaining, so they chain a

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01:45:11,532 --> 01:45:14,452
Speaker 20: dog in the backyard for months.

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Speaker 3: Years.

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Speaker 20: I've rescued dogs that have been on the chain in

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01:45:17,053 --> 01:45:21,132
Speaker 20: someone's backyard after nine years, and some of these dogs

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01:45:21,133 --> 01:45:25,772
Speaker 20: they just lose the fight, right And like a good

2281
01:45:25,772 --> 01:45:28,092
Speaker 20: thing for me though, is like they're a complete blank slate.

2282
01:45:28,173 --> 01:45:30,973
Speaker 20: I can train them from the start. It's beautiful. I

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01:45:30,973 --> 01:45:33,333
Speaker 20: can train them every command of the sun, and they're

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01:45:33,372 --> 01:45:36,973
Speaker 20: really well behaved. But socializing them with other dogs is

2285
01:45:37,013 --> 01:45:41,933
Speaker 20: a process. As you can imagine. The libertarian in me

2286
01:45:42,013 --> 01:45:44,213
Speaker 20: is kind of anty of what my other idea was.

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01:45:44,293 --> 01:45:47,692
Speaker 20: But I actually think that dog owners should have some

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01:45:47,732 --> 01:45:50,772
Speaker 20: sort of label on your letterbox, et cetera, to say

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01:45:50,812 --> 01:45:55,213
Speaker 20: that this address is like, there's a registered dog owner here,

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01:45:55,333 --> 01:45:58,093
Speaker 20: and if you scan like some sort of code, these

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01:45:58,133 --> 01:46:00,452
Speaker 20: are the dogs that are registered that that address. I

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01:46:00,492 --> 01:46:04,652
Speaker 20: think in my kind of it's really or willian, but

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01:46:04,973 --> 01:46:07,132
Speaker 20: I kind of feel that you should not be allowed

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01:46:07,173 --> 01:46:11,572
Speaker 20: to have dogs if you haven't got a registration on

2295
01:46:11,772 --> 01:46:13,932
Speaker 20: on the front of your property. And so a council

2296
01:46:14,053 --> 01:46:17,253
Speaker 20: animal control officer can come along scan your code and say, yep,

2297
01:46:17,293 --> 01:46:20,253
Speaker 20: you've got a husky and a border Collie and yep,

2298
01:46:20,333 --> 01:46:22,173
Speaker 20: and so what is that random petsll doing there? And

2299
01:46:22,173 --> 01:46:23,972
Speaker 20: then they go and investigate, or if there's a dog

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01:46:24,013 --> 01:46:27,572
Speaker 20: that's wondering in someone's property, or if someone simply has

2301
01:46:27,572 --> 01:46:29,492
Speaker 20: a bunch of dogs and they haven't got them registered,

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01:46:29,772 --> 01:46:32,253
Speaker 20: You've got thirty days to comply, or all yours, all

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01:46:32,253 --> 01:46:34,293
Speaker 20: your dogs get taken away.

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01:46:33,572 --> 01:46:36,333
Speaker 2: See that cumstance. I'm on my letter box. I mean,

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01:46:36,372 --> 01:46:39,612
Speaker 2: I've got a snack, many many snails, a jack wrestle cross,

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01:46:39,612 --> 01:46:41,452
Speaker 2: but i'd get the stick at it the head. You know,

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01:46:41,933 --> 01:46:46,412
Speaker 2: five rock Wheelers, three German Shepherds, five Doberman and American

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01:46:46,412 --> 01:46:48,772
Speaker 2: football teria the good security If that was listed on

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01:46:48,853 --> 01:46:50,093
Speaker 2: your letter box.

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01:46:50,853 --> 01:46:53,293
Speaker 20: Well yeah, I mean, well you need to breeder's license.

2311
01:46:53,333 --> 01:46:56,253
Speaker 20: We have that many dogs. But that also furthers the point,

2312
01:46:56,333 --> 01:46:57,933
Speaker 20: isn't it. Like there's a lot of people out the

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01:46:58,093 --> 01:47:00,372
Speaker 20: South Aukland I property manage out in South Aukland. There's

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01:47:00,372 --> 01:47:02,012
Speaker 20: a lot of people that have like five ten dogs

2315
01:47:02,013 --> 01:47:04,173
Speaker 20: in their property but no license to keep them, and

2316
01:47:04,253 --> 01:47:06,692
Speaker 20: because the neighbors don't report them, it just keeps going on.

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01:47:07,053 --> 01:47:08,972
Speaker 20: These are the places that I rest your dogs from

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01:47:09,053 --> 01:47:11,133
Speaker 20: where you go to some hoarder's place and they've got

2319
01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:13,813
Speaker 20: twenty dogs in the backyard, all chained up to mattresses

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01:47:13,853 --> 01:47:15,452
Speaker 20: and under the house and all that.

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01:47:15,532 --> 01:47:18,652
Speaker 2: So why do they want so many dogs? I don't.

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01:47:18,692 --> 01:47:20,772
Speaker 2: I don't get it. Is it because they're they're breed,

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01:47:20,933 --> 01:47:23,813
Speaker 2: or it's what it's emotional.

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01:47:25,253 --> 01:47:27,572
Speaker 20: These sort of people that have more than five dogs

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01:47:27,612 --> 01:47:31,812
Speaker 20: tend to be hoarders in nature. Right, And you are

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01:47:31,853 --> 01:47:35,253
Speaker 20: writing that there is an element of property protection, so

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01:47:35,452 --> 01:47:38,093
Speaker 20: one thing that maybe a lot of listeners aren't aware of.

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01:47:38,213 --> 01:47:41,213
Speaker 20: In Auckland, if your gate is closed and it's and

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01:47:41,253 --> 01:47:43,572
Speaker 20: it's closed and no one can walk onto your property

2330
01:47:43,612 --> 01:47:46,652
Speaker 20: with a mission, if your dog attacks someone that comes

2331
01:47:46,692 --> 01:47:50,532
Speaker 20: onto the property, you're okay, the dog is perfectly okay

2332
01:47:50,532 --> 01:47:52,213
Speaker 20: to do that according to animal control.

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01:47:52,452 --> 01:47:57,372
Speaker 2: Right, okay, you know face that, you.

2334
01:47:57,293 --> 01:47:59,372
Speaker 20: Know, shouldn't everyone be able to walk up to your

2335
01:47:59,372 --> 01:48:02,213
Speaker 20: front door? So it kind of is a dichotomy there.

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01:48:02,612 --> 01:48:06,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's handy if you've ordered something of Amazon.

2337
01:48:05,732 --> 01:48:07,892
Speaker 3: Or something you get a pass the lock.

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01:48:09,452 --> 01:48:09,692
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:48:09,772 --> 01:48:11,892
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for your call, Mark, and thanks for your

2340
01:48:11,893 --> 01:48:14,172
Speaker 2: insights on that. It's really interesting stuff.

2341
01:48:14,372 --> 01:48:16,052
Speaker 4: Yeah, great to chat with you, Mark. Oh, one hundred

2342
01:48:16,053 --> 01:48:17,852
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is a number to call back

2343
01:48:17,893 --> 01:48:19,892
Speaker 4: in a mow. It's seventeen to four.

2344
01:48:20,293 --> 01:48:23,253
Speaker 1: It's a fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heathen

2345
01:48:23,372 --> 01:48:27,173
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons, have your say on eight hundred eighty

2346
01:48:27,253 --> 01:48:28,333
Speaker 1: ten eighty youth dogs.

2347
01:48:28,333 --> 01:48:30,372
Speaker 3: There'd be good afternoon to you.

2348
01:48:30,452 --> 01:48:34,173
Speaker 4: We are talking about dog attacks and dog legislation, all

2349
01:48:34,173 --> 01:48:37,053
Speaker 4: the rules around what would happen if your dog did

2350
01:48:37,093 --> 01:48:39,213
Speaker 4: get loose, And in this case, it was a pit

2351
01:48:39,293 --> 01:48:41,492
Speaker 4: bull that ran into a jewelry store, went for a

2352
01:48:41,572 --> 01:48:44,293
Speaker 4: kovoodle and one of the employees got injured trying to

2353
01:48:44,412 --> 01:48:47,253
Speaker 4: rip that dog off the kavoodle. Can you hear your thoughts?

2354
01:48:47,253 --> 01:48:49,972
Speaker 4: This is an interesting text. What a load of piffle.

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Speaker 4: There's far too many so called rescues out there, far

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01:48:53,013 --> 01:48:56,293
Speaker 4: too many bad tempered dogs, crossbred MutS that need to

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01:48:56,293 --> 01:48:59,253
Speaker 4: be euthanized. You can't save them all. I do love dogs,

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01:48:59,253 --> 01:48:59,612
Speaker 4: by the way.

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01:49:00,452 --> 01:49:01,213
Speaker 3: That's nice text.

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01:49:01,253 --> 01:49:04,772
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, hey, guys love the show. Wouldn't be surprised

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01:49:04,772 --> 01:49:07,133
Speaker 2: to hear this pit bull has had previous issues, needs

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01:49:07,173 --> 01:49:09,412
Speaker 2: to be put down. I could have been a child

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01:49:09,492 --> 01:49:12,612
Speaker 2: that was harmed. Yeah, I mean, if a dog's so

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01:49:12,933 --> 01:49:17,412
Speaker 2: freaking angry that it's that, it's it's jumping out of

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01:49:17,412 --> 01:49:20,692
Speaker 2: a moving car, running into a Michael Hill jeweler and

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01:49:20,812 --> 01:49:23,612
Speaker 2: trying to smash up akvoodle. It could easily get very

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01:49:23,612 --> 01:49:25,732
Speaker 2: confused with a child and the Michael Hill door.

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01:49:26,253 --> 01:49:27,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very good point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Caroline, welcome to the show. Is it Caroline or Caroline?

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Speaker 6: Caroline?

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01:49:32,973 --> 01:49:35,772
Speaker 2: Hey, Caroline, thanks for calling your thoughts on this.

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01:49:36,812 --> 01:49:40,372
Speaker 6: Oh, it's a good topic. A few years ago, I

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01:49:40,452 --> 01:49:43,372
Speaker 6: was looking after my parents' old house and I had

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01:49:43,412 --> 01:49:47,012
Speaker 6: two old whiskies that were like fifteen sixteen years old,

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01:49:47,173 --> 01:49:50,812
Speaker 6: I said, walked around the block, but five doors down

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01:49:51,013 --> 01:49:54,572
Speaker 6: was a gang. They were renting a house and they

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01:49:54,612 --> 01:49:59,412
Speaker 6: had a tie ridgeback, which I've never seen these for

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01:49:59,412 --> 01:50:02,052
Speaker 6: the dogs before, but I used to have a Rhodesian ridgeback,

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01:50:02,093 --> 01:50:04,053
Speaker 6: but this was a tie ridge back. It looked sort

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01:50:04,093 --> 01:50:06,333
Speaker 6: of like something pretty scary.

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01:50:06,333 --> 01:50:10,532
Speaker 2: Actually, anyway, that's old age. They look like a devil dog.

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01:50:10,572 --> 01:50:11,452
Speaker 2: They look like the kind of.

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01:50:11,372 --> 01:50:13,852
Speaker 6: Dog, say, a devil dog. Yeah, they like.

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01:50:14,372 --> 01:50:16,692
Speaker 2: From Hell, hounds from They do look like a.

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01:50:16,692 --> 01:50:22,173
Speaker 6: Hound from Hell. That's exacuately look Anyway, this gang had one,

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01:50:22,412 --> 01:50:25,133
Speaker 6: and you know it was not registered or anything, of course,

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01:50:25,173 --> 01:50:28,133
Speaker 6: but that it was sort of There were a lot

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01:50:28,173 --> 01:50:30,333
Speaker 6: of dogs, little dogs in the neighborhood and a little

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01:50:30,333 --> 01:50:33,652
Speaker 6: old lady who lived on the corner. She had little

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01:50:33,692 --> 01:50:36,213
Speaker 6: black poodle and she was out walking one day and

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01:50:37,133 --> 01:50:39,093
Speaker 6: she used to let the dog walk, you know, five

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01:50:39,293 --> 01:50:42,253
Speaker 6: ten feet ahead of her without a lead on, and

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01:50:42,532 --> 01:50:44,772
Speaker 6: just at the wrong moment, the gang pulled up at

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01:50:44,772 --> 01:50:48,452
Speaker 6: the house and the high ridge that jumped out of

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01:50:48,572 --> 01:50:53,372
Speaker 6: the window and got the little black poodle and dis

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01:50:53,452 --> 01:50:57,852
Speaker 6: about it in about three seconds. And this poor little

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01:50:57,893 --> 01:51:02,133
Speaker 6: old lady, I mean, the kindly, I have to say.

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01:51:02,173 --> 01:51:04,253
Speaker 6: The guy that owned the dog put the old lady

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01:51:04,253 --> 01:51:05,973
Speaker 6: in the car and they drove to the vet. But

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01:51:06,053 --> 01:51:09,092
Speaker 6: the dog had to be put down, little little poodle.

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01:51:09,213 --> 01:51:13,492
Speaker 6: But I spoke to the vet a few days later

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01:51:13,652 --> 01:51:15,892
Speaker 6: and asked about what do we do because I had

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01:51:15,933 --> 01:51:19,492
Speaker 6: often rung up the local council about the dogs that

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01:51:19,572 --> 01:51:21,772
Speaker 6: used to escape and roam the streets, and it just

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01:51:22,412 --> 01:51:25,612
Speaker 6: used to really frighten me with my old dogs. And anyway,

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01:51:25,652 --> 01:51:27,972
Speaker 6: sure enough, when this happened, I rang the council and

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01:51:28,053 --> 01:51:31,812
Speaker 6: again and complained about it again, and they were always

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01:51:31,893 --> 01:51:34,293
Speaker 6: but hesitant to go there because they said to me,

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01:51:34,612 --> 01:51:36,852
Speaker 6: quite honestly, one day they said, look, we've been told

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01:51:36,853 --> 01:51:39,053
Speaker 6: if we arrived on the property to take the dog

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01:51:39,093 --> 01:51:45,013
Speaker 6: that we'd be shot. So it was a really tricky situation.

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01:51:45,253 --> 01:51:49,093
Speaker 6: That went on and on, but I used to walk,

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01:51:49,213 --> 01:51:51,532
Speaker 6: you know, we walking around the neighborhood and a lot

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01:51:51,532 --> 01:51:54,732
Speaker 6: of schools around there and kids and whatnot. And remember

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01:51:54,732 --> 01:51:56,572
Speaker 6: one day it was roaming up and down the road.

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01:51:56,652 --> 01:51:59,173
Speaker 6: The owners had got obviously gone out and left the

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01:51:59,213 --> 01:52:02,852
Speaker 6: dog and it could escape. And I once again I

2418
01:52:02,933 --> 01:52:05,013
Speaker 6: rang the council and they sort of got there. But

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01:52:06,013 --> 01:52:10,692
Speaker 6: the sad thing was in the gang moved out, they

2420
01:52:10,812 --> 01:52:13,213
Speaker 6: sort of abandoned the dog for days. I think someone

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01:52:13,293 --> 01:52:15,333
Speaker 6: used to go around there a few days and feed it,

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01:52:15,612 --> 01:52:19,732
Speaker 6: but it was by itself and it managed to escape,

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01:52:19,772 --> 01:52:21,932
Speaker 6: and I remember it roaming up and down the street.

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01:52:21,973 --> 01:52:23,692
Speaker 6: And I was told by one of the neighbors that

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01:52:23,853 --> 01:52:25,932
Speaker 6: year that they've moved out, but they've left the dog.

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01:52:26,053 --> 01:52:30,772
Speaker 2: There was this the devil hound wandering up and down

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01:52:30,812 --> 01:52:31,173
Speaker 2: the street.

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01:52:31,772 --> 01:52:31,972
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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01:52:32,572 --> 01:52:33,932
Speaker 3: It is terrifying, yeah.

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01:52:34,372 --> 01:52:37,972
Speaker 6: Yes, And so I ended up going down and getting

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01:52:37,973 --> 01:52:41,093
Speaker 6: a tin of dog food in my car. I drove down,

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01:52:41,133 --> 01:52:43,253
Speaker 6: open the window and chucked out a hold of the

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01:52:43,333 --> 01:52:45,412
Speaker 6: dog foods for it, and it was really hungry. I

2434
01:52:45,412 --> 01:52:48,973
Speaker 6: felt really sorry the little dog. In the end, it

2435
01:52:49,093 --> 01:52:51,372
Speaker 6: was like all I wanted was the week cuddle. Really,

2436
01:52:51,412 --> 01:52:52,772
Speaker 6: but I'm not that I was going to get in there,

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01:52:53,612 --> 01:52:58,133
Speaker 6: but either council. I don't know what happened in the end,

2438
01:52:58,213 --> 01:53:00,173
Speaker 6: but you know, I was always running the council and

2439
01:53:00,213 --> 01:53:02,372
Speaker 6: they were always like, oh, yes, you know, we know

2440
01:53:02,532 --> 01:53:05,013
Speaker 6: that dog, and we know that address and no year,

2441
01:53:05,053 --> 01:53:06,892
Speaker 6: but we can't go there because we'll get shot.

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01:53:07,372 --> 01:53:11,492
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, that's that's That's a lot going on, isn't it. Guns,

2443
01:53:11,572 --> 01:53:14,692
Speaker 2: gang members, devil dogs, dogs from hell.

2444
01:53:15,933 --> 01:53:18,572
Speaker 4: Just wanted a bit of a cuddle. Yeah, what a story.

2445
01:53:19,053 --> 01:53:22,732
Speaker 4: All right, thank you very much. We will take a

2446
01:53:22,812 --> 01:53:25,133
Speaker 4: quick break when we come back. There's a text here

2447
01:53:26,013 --> 01:53:28,933
Speaker 4: from a the wife of the surgeon who deals with

2448
01:53:29,013 --> 01:53:31,652
Speaker 4: dog bites. Very very interesting. We'll get to that very shortly.

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01:53:31,732 --> 01:53:33,253
Speaker 4: It is nine minutes to four.

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01:53:33,652 --> 01:53:35,532
Speaker 2: So this text here, my dog's called Colin. I mean

2451
01:53:35,532 --> 01:53:37,412
Speaker 2: that's I'm just saying that's about me. That's in the text.

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01:53:37,452 --> 01:53:40,012
Speaker 2: But this textas says, has Colin ever sniffed your nuts?

2453
01:53:40,572 --> 01:53:42,572
Speaker 2: It's a kind of off topic question, but.

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01:53:42,572 --> 01:53:43,173
Speaker 3: You answer it.

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01:53:43,333 --> 01:53:44,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good.

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01:53:45,893 --> 01:53:49,092
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

2457
01:53:49,213 --> 01:53:52,973
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

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01:53:53,213 --> 01:53:54,013
Speaker 1: used dogs B.

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01:53:54,853 --> 01:53:57,692
Speaker 4: News Dogs there B. It is seven to four. So

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01:53:57,973 --> 01:54:00,532
Speaker 4: many texts have come through on this one. And I

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01:54:00,572 --> 01:54:03,772
Speaker 4: mentioned before about the husband of a face surgeon, and

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01:54:03,812 --> 01:54:05,692
Speaker 4: here it is. My husband is a face and jaw

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01:54:05,772 --> 01:54:09,492
Speaker 4: surgeon who deals with dog bites on adults and children

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01:54:09,532 --> 01:54:11,572
Speaker 4: on a far too regular basis. It can be such

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01:54:11,612 --> 01:54:14,932
Speaker 4: a harrowing experience for the victim and can be life changing.

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01:54:15,013 --> 01:54:17,532
Speaker 4: We will never own a dog for that reason. If

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01:54:17,532 --> 01:54:19,932
Speaker 4: you spoke to him, he would say, no dog can

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01:54:19,973 --> 01:54:21,452
Speaker 4: ever be one hundred percent safe.

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01:54:22,452 --> 01:54:25,213
Speaker 2: I'd tell him, come and meet my dog, Colin. He's

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01:54:25,213 --> 01:54:28,572
Speaker 2: one hundred percent safe, all right. Plumb of years ago

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01:54:28,893 --> 01:54:30,812
Speaker 2: was trapped under a house by a pit bull and

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01:54:30,853 --> 01:54:32,693
Speaker 2: he smacked it on the head with a pipe wrench.

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01:54:33,053 --> 01:54:35,493
Speaker 2: The dog did not survive. He ran out to the

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01:54:35,533 --> 01:54:37,772
Speaker 2: car and rang the police and told them what happened.

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01:54:37,772 --> 01:54:40,892
Speaker 2: The police asked if I'd like to visit several others

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01:54:41,213 --> 01:54:44,893
Speaker 2: as this dog was trouble and so many in the

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01:54:44,933 --> 01:54:46,092
Speaker 2: area police.

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01:54:46,293 --> 01:54:47,613
Speaker 3: Regulation of being a dog killer.

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01:54:47,812 --> 01:54:52,133
Speaker 2: Send it to smack over the head with pipe wrench.

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01:54:52,493 --> 01:54:53,892
Speaker 3: Dog man, what.

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01:54:54,253 --> 01:54:55,733
Speaker 2: Kind of pay do you get for that kind of job?

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01:54:56,772 --> 01:54:57,453
Speaker 3: It's a great text.

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01:54:57,573 --> 01:55:00,253
Speaker 2: Animal Control charged with friend ten k for his dog

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01:55:00,293 --> 01:55:05,133
Speaker 2: attacking someone coming through the upstairs window. Wow, so dog

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01:55:05,213 --> 01:55:08,573
Speaker 2: came through someone like, you're just hanging out upstairs and

2486
01:55:08,573 --> 01:55:11,373
Speaker 2: the dog comes through and attacks you. My god, the men.

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01:55:12,653 --> 01:55:14,333
Speaker 2: For me, that's worse than hanging out in a Michael

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01:55:14,373 --> 01:55:17,053
Speaker 2: Hill jeweler with a kavoodle and a pitbull coming through.

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01:55:17,133 --> 01:55:20,093
Speaker 2: Undo the Michael Zilla. The story we're talking about and

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01:55:20,213 --> 01:55:20,573
Speaker 2: this one.

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01:55:20,613 --> 01:55:24,852
Speaker 4: Firstly, people should not be taking dogs into shops full stop.

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01:55:25,133 --> 01:55:27,853
Speaker 4: I don't like to see dogs, and shops are around cafes.

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01:55:28,093 --> 01:55:31,613
Speaker 4: Second secondary, the pit bull should not be I should

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01:55:31,613 --> 01:55:34,212
Speaker 4: be put down rather and the only heavily fine. Thirdly,

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01:55:34,573 --> 01:55:37,453
Speaker 4: the shop assistant should not have intervened. All are at

2496
01:55:37,453 --> 01:55:39,932
Speaker 4: fault here. I don't really like dogs, so maybe I'm

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01:55:39,933 --> 01:55:41,093
Speaker 4: biased that.

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01:55:41,973 --> 01:55:43,772
Speaker 2: Wow, that was a plague in all the houses, wasn't

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01:55:43,772 --> 01:55:45,493
Speaker 2: it that one? I mean he was. If a business

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01:55:45,573 --> 01:55:48,133
Speaker 2: want allows people to bring their dogs in the then absolutely.

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01:55:48,173 --> 01:55:50,892
Speaker 2: But the pitbull was not invited to the Michael Hill.

2502
01:55:50,973 --> 01:55:54,173
Speaker 2: It was the kavoodle was invited. The pitbull crash the party.

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01:55:54,453 --> 01:55:58,093
Speaker 2: Let's just direct it clear, all right then? Thank you

2504
01:55:58,173 --> 01:56:00,053
Speaker 2: so much for listening to the show today, and thank

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01:56:00,053 --> 01:56:02,213
Speaker 2: you for all your calls and texts. The full Matt

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01:56:02,213 --> 01:56:04,453
Speaker 2: and Tayler Afternoon's podcast will be out in about an hour.

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01:56:04,493 --> 01:56:06,613
Speaker 2: So if you missed any of our chats on pitbulls,

2508
01:56:06,613 --> 01:56:10,772
Speaker 2: attacking kvoodles and Michael Hill Jill, or whether it's time

2509
01:56:10,812 --> 01:56:12,932
Speaker 2: for a culture change when it comes to referee abuse,

2510
01:56:13,013 --> 01:56:17,213
Speaker 2: then follow our podcast where we get your pods. I

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01:56:17,253 --> 01:56:19,573
Speaker 2: really like how this text here. Hey guys, I know

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01:56:19,653 --> 01:56:22,533
Speaker 2: it's after the fact, but listening to your referee chat

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01:56:22,573 --> 01:56:26,413
Speaker 2: before I've contacted the Auckland Rugby Referees Association hopefully start

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01:56:26,453 --> 01:56:29,573
Speaker 2: my journey. Wish me luck dodging the abuse.

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01:56:30,173 --> 01:56:33,972
Speaker 4: All the bestness luck. What a good man that person is, right,

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01:56:34,013 --> 01:56:35,373
Speaker 4: What a fantastic show.

2517
01:56:35,693 --> 01:56:38,253
Speaker 2: Why am I playing you this song? Tyler?

2518
01:56:39,933 --> 01:56:43,333
Speaker 4: But a deaf lepperd powesome sugar on me? The Dendal

2519
01:56:43,413 --> 01:56:46,333
Speaker 4: Association want us to pay more for our Coca Cola

2520
01:56:46,493 --> 01:56:49,213
Speaker 4: because our teeth are terrible and we're all babies and

2521
01:56:49,253 --> 01:56:50,133
Speaker 4: we can't do any better.

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01:56:50,533 --> 01:56:52,733
Speaker 2: That's right here. The duper see Ellen is up next

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01:56:53,133 --> 01:56:56,493
Speaker 2: with the said woman who got fought off a pit

2524
01:56:56,533 --> 01:56:58,613
Speaker 2: bull and a Michael Hill Julius. You'll be talking to

2525
01:56:58,653 --> 01:57:03,293
Speaker 2: that woman, but right now, have a bloody good afternoon

2526
01:57:03,293 --> 01:57:05,333
Speaker 2: and we'll see you tomorrow and give them a taste

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01:57:05,333 --> 01:57:06,373
Speaker 2: of Kiwi to then love you.

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