1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: This is Phil Breden with Elsey Barbecue and you listening 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: to Barbecue Base. 3 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: Welcome to Competition Time, the show for people that are 4 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: not only like a little low and slow in their lives, 5 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: but a little bit hot and fast too. This is 6 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: the version of Barbecue Bass that focuses on the competitive 7 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: side of our favorite pastime. But even if you don't compete, 8 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: stick around as there's always a few tasty tidbits to 9 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: take to the backyard too. And hey, we may even 10 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: tempt you to throw a team together or jump into 11 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: an sea you never know. I'm Alex Lawson, captain of 12 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: the Illustrious Beginning's Barbecue Team, and your esteemed host. 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So 33 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: it's great to be here. 34 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if we're scraping the barrel yet. 35 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: We're still pretty early on this competition series. So you 36 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: just made the cut earlier. 37 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: I think, mate, everybody else was busy. 38 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 2: Now let's let's kick off. Why don't you give give 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: everybody out there are a little bit of a rundown 40 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: of who you guys are, how long you've been doing 41 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: what you do, and which which which are the comps 42 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: you guys like to winter or you like to winter. 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I think like most people in the 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: comp scene now, you know, we started off with meat Stalk. 45 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: We went there to me and the other half of 46 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: Sticky Fingers Jeff. We went there, uh had to look around, 47 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: and we found this this yard with a bunch of 48 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: guys around having beers and cooking meat, and we thought, well, 49 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: this looks like a bit of fun, and so we 50 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: kind of played around with it a little bit. We 51 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: went back to meet Stalk twenty twenty and I had 52 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: a good chat with the captain himself, Brian Cook, and 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: he's the one that really convinced us and pushed us 54 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: to get involved. And so we made the potion. We 55 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: made the leap when we first comp we ever did 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: was King of the Mountain, done in New Plymouth. We 57 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: turned up there, we had absolutely no idea what we're doing. 58 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: We'd never done a competition before. We turned up there 59 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: with a pork belly and that was going to be 60 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: our hand in for that. 61 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: I remember that I was judging that one and I'd 62 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: heard somebody had turned up with a pork belly. 63 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah that was ours. Yeah, we turned up. But what 64 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: what really blew us away? Like we turned up at 65 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: you know with that pork belly and a brisket that 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: was just awful. I don't know what we're going to 67 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: do with it, but the team down there, Craig and 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: the Kiwi butcher that opened up the shop at ten 69 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: o'clock at night for us to get a pork shoulder 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: of Boston button a proper brisket, you know, and that 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: was that was pretty special for us. And we went 72 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: into that comp we come dead last, like we're not 73 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: even second second to last, like dead dead last, but 74 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: we had an amazing time. Everybody was just so welcoming 75 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: and so much fun. And really that's that's where the 76 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: comp bud bit for us. Yeah, and that we've been 77 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: we've been away ever since. 78 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: Now you I know you do an zba. Have you 79 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: ditched your toes into sca at all? Do you do 80 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: any steaks or anything like that? 81 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: And then yeah, I've done a few sas now, mostly 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: up at Smock on the coast and I even dipped 83 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: my toe into the ancils one year and thought I'd 84 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: give that a go and then realized that I was 85 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: just way not creative enough to do the an sills. 86 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: And uh, that was the end of that one. But 87 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: I've done a few steak competitions and I really enjoyed. 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: I was talking to Carl yesterday and saying that I 89 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: need to get into sea a lot more and get 90 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: back into that because it's always a lot of fun. 91 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: And it's you and Jeff. Isn't it that sticky fingers nowadays? 92 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: Or is there still just the tur of. 93 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: You or are there anymore now? Yeah, it's just the 94 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: two of us the water third. But it was just 95 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: what we found with three people. You know, you've got 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: three sets of opinions, You've got three ideas and three 97 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: ways about how one thing should be done. So we've 98 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: cut it back to the two of us, and over 99 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: the last couple of months with what we've decided to 100 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: do is actually split the proteins between the two of us. 101 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: So Jeff's going to handle the whole pork side and 102 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to do the chicken and brisket. And that 103 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: seems to be working a lot well for us because 104 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: we can practice a lot more easily at home. I'm 105 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: in Hamilton now, not Taup. I'm in Hamilton. I'm in Hamilton, 106 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: and yeah, Jeff's up in Auckland, but having the two 107 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: proteins means we can practice. We're not having to do 108 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: a whole full comp practice or try and find ways 109 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: to get together to do a whole comp run. 110 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Now, thinking through, you've had some success along the way. 111 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: I know that, But what's been the proudest moment or 112 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: the thing that you're most proud of in competition? Barbecue? 113 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: Ah, Look for both of us, and I can speak 114 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: for Jeff when I say that, it was King of 115 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: the Mountain. So you know, like I said earlier, we 116 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: went down there in twenty twenty and like came dead last, 117 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: like punch last, but carried on, did more comps. Act 118 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: you went back to King of the Mountain and twenty 119 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: twenty one with like zero expectations up to that point. 120 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: We've never had any calls or walks or anything. But 121 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: we've had a bloody good time. And then we ended 122 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: up winning first place chicken at King of the Mountain 123 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: a year after we'd first ended twenty twenty one. So 124 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: for me and off for Jeff, that's still still the 125 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: proudest achievement for us. You know, we've done alright, and 126 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: we've won a few trophies here and there, and a 127 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: few successes, but that one always sits at the very 128 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: top for us. 129 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you boys, yeah, you know, let's say, I 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: think you're not afraid to celebrate? Are you a little 131 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: success here and there? 132 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: We you know, it's actually the Barbecue based podcast, you know, 133 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: I was listening to it a while back, and you 134 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: talk about camp teams and new comp teams that come in, 135 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: and you're always in the party team right when you're 136 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the new camp team, because it is a fine atmosphere. 137 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: You get swept up in it all and then the 138 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: next thing, it's three in the morning and you've got 139 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: to be back there at five in the morning and 140 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: have a couple of years. But we've made a real 141 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: point probably the last year to eighteen months of early 142 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: to bed Friday night, game day, Saturday, and then Saturday night, 143 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, once once everything's packed cleaned away, and then 144 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: we'll have a few beers and if we've done all right, 145 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: we'll celebrate. If not, then we'll celebrate someone else's success 146 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: with them. 147 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: I think it's so good. That's probably a good, a 148 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: good way of doing things and keeping yourselves on track. 149 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: So maybe it's not that, Maybe it is that, but 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: what's been your biggest learning moment. 151 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Oh, the biggest learning moment, ah learning. 152 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't have to be a moment. It could 153 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 2: be a thing you've learned. 154 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: I think the thing that we've learned, you know, the 155 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: difference in competition barbecue. How much easier life can be 156 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: for you if you just prep ahead of time, If 157 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: your meat's ready ahead of time, your sauces are ready, 158 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: you know what you're going to do. You've got your timetable, 159 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: your run sheet, all sorting, and you turn up there 160 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: with a solid plane. That's been our biggest learning when 161 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: we you know, for the first maybe two years, two 162 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: and a half years, we turn up there and we'd 163 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: be doing prep on the night and we'd be scribbling 164 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: on a piece of paper what time we think the 165 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: pits would have to go on, or and trying to 166 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: come up with a sauce, you know, on the fly. 167 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: So we're a lot more prepared when we get to comps. Now, 168 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: we set up, we know exactly what's going to happen, 169 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: and then we're into it. There's none of this kind 170 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: of making things on fly and trying to figure stuff 171 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: up as we go. Yeah. 172 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: I think that's probably quite a common one. 173 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: I know. 174 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: I can't think now how many times I see I 175 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: made a spreadsheet for our run sheet about five years ago, 176 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: and I've got it. I think, yeah, I was pretty 177 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: sure you are the one. I can't think how many 178 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 2: people I've sent it to. And then I walk around 179 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: and I see various little computer screens and I look 180 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: at it. I go, I recognize the color coding on 181 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: that spreadsheet, and how that spreadsheets set out. I must 182 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: have seen. 183 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we best adized your run sheet. And we've got 184 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: a screen in the trailer, a computer screen now, and 185 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: it sits up there on the computer for us to see. 186 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: So you were leading the way five years ago, mate, 187 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: And I think it just gets emailed and message around 188 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: all the teams that come on to the sea. 189 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I should probably just set it up as an 190 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: open Google drive or something like that, you know, and 191 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: just have it sitting there. I actually, randomly, I'm almost 192 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: at the point where I don't need it any more. 193 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: I kind of know when everything has to happen. It's 194 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: just I think all it really does now is it's 195 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: just working out. When the hand in times change, you've 196 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: got to shuffle it back a little bit and then 197 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: pull it forward. That's about it. 198 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, we we still need it, Like we're we were 199 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: pretty good on our time and for getting things on. 200 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: But and meat Stock's a real classic example for us. 201 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: You know, when things are so good and we just 202 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: lose track of time, we just need that that reminder 203 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: that it's there and what time things have to be 204 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: and otherwise it like it meet Stock, we miss windows 205 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: and we get hit hard for it, and it's no 206 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: one to blame by ourselves. 207 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, what what was that just talking? Before we move on? 208 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that, because I mean we're talking about learnings, right, 209 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: and I guess one of the learnings matter is you 210 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: only do it once right, you never do it again? Like, 211 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: how how did you miss the window? Because it was 212 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: it the brisket window you missed? 213 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, a brisket window? Yeah yeah, how did we miss 214 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: the window? What I'll tell you what happened was we 215 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: we got an Aura brisket from the pari and this 216 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: thing just did everything it was supposed to do plus more. 217 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: It was jiggly, it was juicy, the burnt ends were 218 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: just like puffy little marshmallow was. Everything was so good 219 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: that we decided, like, let's just stack this box. Let's 220 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: try and get as much in there, because this thing 221 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: has just done everything that we want. And so I 222 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: were fiddling with a box and we're stacking the box 223 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: and we're trying to get stuff in there. We just 224 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: lost track of the time. And then you know, I 225 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: put put the burnt ends in and I said to Jeff, 226 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: what's the time, and he goes, it's five pers and 227 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, ship. We still had a two minute 228 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: walk to try and get it to the window, and 229 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: we were running. We were sprinting right away. 230 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: When you were at the top of the you were 231 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: over the other side of the two main wave like literally, 232 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: like what a couple of hundred meters from the from 233 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: the hand. 234 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: In probably probably a little bit more because we were 235 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: right at the very corner, like the very end of 236 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: the whole comp set up. And so when we had 237 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: time that it was at a good brisk walk. It 238 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: was about two and a half minutes at a sprint, 239 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: and it was busy. It was busy during the day. 240 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: They had the Butcher Wars going on inside, so the 241 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: inside was packed. So we're trying to duck and dive 242 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: and barrel, roll around people and jump over in the air, 243 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: hoping that Mike and Charlotte are sears. But we missed 244 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: the window. But you know, full credit to Mike, he said, 245 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: you've missed the window. I'll put it in and put 246 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: it on the table and we'll get some scores and 247 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: we'll get it back to you and he come back 248 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: later on and it would have been a sixth place brisket. 249 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: So listen, learn, listen, learn. Everybody does. I think everybody's 250 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: done it at least once. But when you do it once, 251 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: you're damn sure it will never happen again. 252 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's probably a couple of things there isn't there 253 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: There's like I think when you talk about you're having 254 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: your plan, and one of the things so I always 255 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: learned was I don't mess around now with I don't 256 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: change anything. So I would I would go, I know 257 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: what I'm meant to be doing, so don't change it, 258 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: because that's when you get into trouble. So, yeah, when 259 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: you go let's stack the box, and you're like, yeah, 260 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: put your normal box in, just let it, let it 261 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: do its thing. 262 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, six, six and eight. No, you know, that's that's 263 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: our golden rule for brisket, no matter what. Six slices, 264 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: eight bonines. That's it. It doesn't matter how good it is, 265 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You know. If we've got a whole brisket 266 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: there that can bend and fold and you can do 267 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: all sorts of things with that six and eight, that's it. 268 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to do the same. I would always 269 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: I'd sometimes be there with ribs and I'd be like, oh, 270 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: I think I can get ten in the box today. 271 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: And every time I put ten in the box, they 272 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: always did really badly. And every time I put eight 273 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: in they did fine. And I was like, stop putting 274 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: ten in the box. There's something that either they don't 275 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 2: like ten in the box or you're putting extra chances 276 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 2: to put a squirrely ribbon there that it wasn't actually 277 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: as good as the others. Like just put eighteen that's 278 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: what you like. 279 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: And like you said, you know, it comes back to 280 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: just having that plan and sticking to it, not getting 281 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: too excited or carried away, because that's when things go wrong. 282 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I fully agree. I fully agree. What's the 283 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: protein that you guys are working most on right now? 284 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: Pork? We hate pork right still, We're still we're spending 285 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: a lot of time with pork with the Bostom, but 286 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: just trying to get that right. We we're just struggling 287 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: with consistency. But it sometimes we do really well and 288 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: we can hit that top ten, and then we go 289 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: for long periods after that where we just for some 290 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: reason it drops away to pork is our nemesis at 291 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: the moment. It's a one it's a one call in 292 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: one place and that we've never actually had as a 293 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: pork place. And so that's that's the one. We're spending 294 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: a heap of time, heap of money, and heap of 295 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: effort trying to trying to nail next. 296 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be tricky, can like it's a I 297 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: think when when you really understand it, it becomes a 298 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: little bit easier. But then I go through ups and 299 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: downs on pork. It drives me mental. Yeah, it should 300 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: be really good all the time, but then it's not. 301 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: It's a pain. It's a pain exactly. 302 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: Oh well have there been have you do you find 303 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: that the has it always been pork? Or do things 304 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: change like do you have to sort of change up 305 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: which one you're really looking to to improve or do 306 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: you find once you've dialed one and it's sticking for 307 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: a while. 308 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Once it's like it keeps coming back, you know, 309 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: like having that plan. Once we we can dial and 310 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: like we're really dialed in my chicken. We can we 311 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: nail chicken. We can do chicken easy. And we had 312 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: a half chicken. We had the mTOR teen car park 313 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: cook orf ess it and that it was half chicken. 314 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: And we've got a throw than that. So we we're 315 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: good with chicken. We've dialed in brisket. We're pretty happy 316 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: with that. Our robs can be head and miss, and 317 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: our port can be real, real head and mess. So 318 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: once we have our basic how we're going to do it, 319 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: that's what we stick to, and we just we vary 320 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: our flavor profiles depending on where we are in the country. 321 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: Right, Oh okay, so you do change yours up. 322 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we And that really fell out of fell 323 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: out of that first place Chicken and New Plymouth at 324 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: Kingdom the Mountain, because we nailed it. It was it 325 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: was a two ninety eight. It was two points off 326 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: of perfect three hundred, and we thought, yeah, we you know, 327 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: we've got this. We've got our flavor profiles dialed and 328 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: we know what they want. We know what people like, 329 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: and we took it away and we did it ran 330 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: the same profile in Hamilton at Mania and up in 331 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: Auckland at the Cullies Festival and they didn't like it. 332 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: So we we do. We keep a running sheet of 333 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: what flavor profiles we use and what score. We've got 334 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: to try and get some sort of baseline of what 335 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: judges like around the country. It's quite interesting. Some like 336 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: a little bit of heat, some like now heat and 337 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: all sweet, some like savory with a little bit of sweet. 338 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: You've got to play around a little bit to try 339 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: and work out what it is that that people want. 340 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: M h cool, tell us a little bit about your guys. 341 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: Comps set up, like what are you cooking on cooking 342 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: out of all that kind of stuff, like how do 343 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: you guys roll? 344 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got we've got the big purple trailer, 345 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: the big purple sticky fingers trailer, which has been a 346 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: game changer for us. Having that. We that's towards the 347 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: old cook cartail trailer. And then when they've upgraded, obviously 348 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: to the absolute monstrous beafs, we we'd snap that off 349 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: their hands and ah, Mike sign read it all for 350 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: us and got it looking pretty for us and so 351 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: that that holds all our gears, it's really easy for 352 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: us to transport. But at Comps we're running two pit barrels. 353 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: We've still got a broncle. We love doing ribs on 354 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: the broncole. Although we used to hang ribs. We've gone 355 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: away from hanging ribs and were lying on flat now. 356 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: But we've got this absolute beast of akimi can from 357 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: from Wayne Dill, which we run some of the bigger 358 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: proteins on. Especially we're doing some horn fast stuff because 359 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: that thing can run very hot, very fast with no 360 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: baffling it. So we use that quite a bit for 361 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: changing things up depending on what we're doing. 362 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: See, you're kind of like a barrel and drum team, 363 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: you know. I mean they're all drums in their own way, 364 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: right like that. Even the bronco is really a drum. Yeah, yeah, 365 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: that kind of style. 366 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: We've we've gone through all sorts of different kind of 367 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: iterations of what we ran at COMPS. We used to 368 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: run the big Prime Exel when we first started off 369 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: at COMPS and that was just a pain. Then we 370 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: jumped on to the bandwagon and bought a master Bill 371 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: which is still at a great piece of equipment, but 372 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: just didn't have the cooking space we needed. And then 373 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: we've gone on to the drums and we've had success 374 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: with the drums and they're really versatile. You can do 375 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: some We've hung our brisket in one of those PBX 376 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: it's just for ships and giggles to see what would 377 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: come out like. So you can do all sorts of 378 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: things with drums and we really enjoy the versatility and 379 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: the ability to to do different things different ways with 380 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: those drums. 381 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: So is that are your own PBX? Is the bigger 382 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: pit barrels or the standard sized ones? 383 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: Did you say, yeah, we've got a PBX. We've got 384 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: we've got the big Daddy and we've got the little 385 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: standard pit barrel as well, So we run the two 386 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: of each one of each. Yeah, And then the Bronco 387 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: was saying, yeah, the big key we can mm hmm. 388 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: And so what are you running in the PBX like 389 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: the bigger pit bear? Are you running the same protein 390 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: in there every time? What are you swapping around? 391 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 392 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: No, and the big one we like to run the 393 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: pork in there. Uh. You know Jeffyl and he does 394 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: a good job separate, separating, out the money muscle and stuff, 395 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: and he likes to run the money muscle and the 396 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: pork and the big PBX. Yeah yeah, so'll right, we'll 397 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: run that in there, and then we kind of swap 398 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: around a little bit depending on what we're doing and 399 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: how we're going to do it. Normally, will squeeze the 400 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: chicken dies into either the little little peebe little pit 401 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: barrel or the bronzo and run try and run the 402 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: brisket and the key weekend. 403 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 2: So what is your guys, Like you've said obviously you 404 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: split the proteins between you. What does what does prep 405 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: routine look like? How far back do you start? Do 406 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: you have a set day that you like to do things? 407 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: Like? 408 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: How does it work for you guys? Because everybody's different here. 409 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we try and start like a minimum start 410 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: time now is probably about a week away from the comp. 411 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: We'll get our meat radi and we'll start trying to 412 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: prep it. So Jeff, Jeff takes care of the whole 413 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: pork side, and I'll shut up there and grab grab 414 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: the brisket from the Mapari boys and and the chicken 415 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: like we're we scrape chicken skins and that's just a tedious, 416 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: tedious job. So we try and get our try and 417 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: get that out the way as early as I can 418 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: because I hate it. So yeah, about a week before 419 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: mini moment just gives us enough time. We'll backpack it, 420 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: we'll seal it well, and then we'll either put it 421 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: in the fridge or we'll freeze that if we really 422 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: run on ahead of schedule. 423 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: And what about like sauces, injections done in advance. 424 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, all our injections have done advanced and I'm very 425 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: particular about the chicken injection that has to be done. 426 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: I try and do it like thirty six hours before 427 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: because I like the spices and the sugars that are 428 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: in the injection that we use to break down a 429 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: little bit and try and get that flavor a bit 430 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: more enhanced. So I'm very particular about making injections ahead 431 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: of time, not when we get there, because it just 432 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: there's not enough time I think for that flavor to 433 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: do what it needs to do in the injections. Sauces, 434 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: it depends what we're doing with the source. If we're 435 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: just running one sauce, one flavor profile sauce, you know, 436 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: straight from the bottle and on if we're if we're 437 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: mixing things up, if we're in it, or you know, 438 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: go on for a bit more savor, and then we'll 439 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: pre mix it all before we get there and have it. 440 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: And we've got some containers that we keep it all 441 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: and labeled, so we'll have it exactly what sources for what. 442 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 2: And I think everybody has little different things here, rituals, superstitions, 443 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: things that have to be in a certain place before 444 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: something works. Like do you guys have anything? Do you 445 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: do you have mascots like Lucky pants? What goes on Lucky? 446 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Indeed, I have a little ritual and that is like 447 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: a wood ratio for chicken, and that's that's because the 448 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: King of the mount and I use this wood ratio 449 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: two to one, and I have to do that every 450 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: time every comp for checking out. Otherwise I just my 451 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: anxiety and my stress starts going through the roof. It's 452 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: not right. So we do have that, but but other 453 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: than that, we don't have any real real rituals. We 454 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: try and keep things as ham and level headed as 455 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: we can and just try and be that sort of 456 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: consistent approach to things. And that's that's done as well. 457 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: What's what's your wood ratio is that like two bits 458 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 2: of one would one bit of another, and that's yeah, 459 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: the mix in the what's what's the mix that you're using. 460 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be for me for chicken, and 461 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: this is just it has to be two bits of 462 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: cherry to one bit of hickory right in the in 463 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: there at the same time, and they have to be 464 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: going at the same time, and they have to go 465 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: on at the same time, and they have to be 466 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: smoking all at the same time. Otherwise I just start 467 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: to feel really uncomfortable about my chicken. 468 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. I've not I've not heard that as 469 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: a as as a ritual before, but I mean it 470 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: makes sense. I was saying some of the other day. Well, 471 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: I have a piece of wood that lives in the 472 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: pocket of my chair and I don't really think about it, 473 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: but every now and again, I'll stick my hand in 474 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: that pocket, just randomly and I'll go, oh, yeah, the 475 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: woods in there. Okay, good, the woods there when it 476 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: went in. But it went in like years ago, and 477 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: it's been in there for about three years. 478 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: We went through the trailer the other probably two months ago, 479 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: and we pulled out things. We're like, where does this 480 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: come from, like, what have we still got this? What? Actually, 481 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: what do we use this for? It's been here the 482 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: whole time, so let's just keep it here in case 483 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: we need it. 484 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: Rather be looking at it than for it. That's the Yeah. Absolutely, 485 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: Are you guys a music team. Do you have comp 486 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: playlists or anything like that or do you? 487 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: Now, we we have to have music that is absolute mass. 488 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: So we've got to Spotify playlist, a Sticky Fingers barbecue 489 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Spotify playlist that we both both can access and add 490 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: songs so you know, like if we're at the gym 491 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: or whatever, we think, oh this is a good barbecue song, 492 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: we'll check that on the playlist and we'll just run 493 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: that playlist at camps. But yeah, gotta have music. The 494 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: bag pipes even come into it now and again they 495 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: come out on that playlist. That's just that. Yeah, it's 496 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: just that thing for us. 497 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: And how what sort of stuff is on there? Like 498 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: how what what's the vibe of the Sticky Fingers playlist? 499 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Oh, Jeff hates it because I'm much more R and 500 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: B and kind of hip hop and and he's way 501 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: more metal and rock. And at one point Britney Spears 502 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: even stuck onto that playlist. I don't know how Britney 503 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: and I put. I put Barbie Girl on there the 504 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: other day just to annoy him, and that really bugged him. 505 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: It's a real it's a really cliptic makes different different. 506 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: We got different tastes of music and we can clash 507 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: heads when sometimes on that's that playlist is going. 508 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 2: I will have to pop by when Barbie Girl is 509 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: playing to see Jeff's reaction at the. 510 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: Next Yeah, it's just favorite song. He'll never tell you, 511 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: but deep done that that is his favorite song. Right. 512 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: Well remember that now. If you could, if the old 513 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 2: barbecue Dolorean pulled up outside your house and it whisked 514 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 2: you back in time to the John Goddard pre King 515 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: of the Mountain twenty twenty, and you could give yourself 516 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 2: one piece of advice, what would that piece of advice be? 517 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Ask questions? You know, like we we signed up for 518 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: the comp with the King of the Mountain camp and 519 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: but we don't know what we're doing. And I don't 520 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: know why we didn't, but we just didn't ask anyone. 521 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: We didn't get any advice. So if I could go back, 522 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: I'd be like, just you know, the community, the barbecue 523 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: community is great because we compete against each other. You know, 524 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: it's probably one of the few sports in the world 525 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: where we compete each other, but we also help each other. 526 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: You know, there's no secrets. Well there is a few secrets, 527 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: but there's no big secrets in the barbecue barbecue world. 528 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: We're all basically doing the same thing. So you know, 529 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: ask questions, ask lots of questions. Ask if you can 530 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: come hang out and just watch what people are doing 531 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: them and just learn as much as you can. 532 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, it is a weird thing, but 533 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: we do all like to tell each other. Maybe we 534 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: just maybe we all just like telling each other things 535 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: and we can't. Nobody can keep a secret. Be the worst, 536 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: the worst people to actually try and keep anything confidential. 537 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 2: We're just all gossip. 538 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: Oh, like we had we had Kaylene from the Flaming 539 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: Venals come hang out with us at many and you know, 540 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: we were showing everything. We were showing how we scrape 541 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: the skins and what we do and how we inject 542 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: that there's no secrets and barbecues. You know, we are 543 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: that is one big happy family at the end of 544 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: the day, and that's why we keep coming back to it. 545 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: Well, what's what's one thing that you would potentially maybe 546 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: like to do a little bit different or change and 547 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: one thing that you'd never like to change in competition barbecue? 548 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: Uh look, I would never like to see competition barbecue 549 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: go to silos, you know, like people don't interact or 550 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: hang out with each other. I love, especially on a Saturday, 551 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: getting around to different tents and talking to people and 552 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: catching up and you know, seeing friends I maybe haven't 553 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: seen for ages. And I'd hate if it ever got 554 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: to the point where it just became so uncomfortable. You 555 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: couldn't do that. Uh, It's just it's fun and it 556 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: should always be fun. And when it stops being fun, 557 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: that's probably when we'll stop doing it. I think, Yeah, yeah. 558 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: I think that's interesting. Like I've only ever done one 559 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: camp in Australia, but I did notice like some teams 560 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: they would just suddenly put all the walls of their 561 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: gazebo up and like completely close off, and I found 562 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: that really weird. I was just like, what's going on? 563 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that would be to me where I'd start 564 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: kind of looking at and thinking, it's just this is 565 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: the kind of place that I want to be where 566 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: I get that you want to close yourself up a 567 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: little bit because you want to keep a few trade secrets. 568 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: But when I think about like competition, barbecue especially, and 569 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: some of the friendships have made and some of the 570 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: opportunities we've had and some of the things we've been 571 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: able to do, you know, like it's pretty special. It's 572 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: a pretty special thing. 573 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree. And what is your guys, 574 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: what is the sticky fingers current big goal? Like, what's 575 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: the thing in the next maybe twelve months that you're 576 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: trying to knock off twelve months? 577 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're working really hard right now on the consistency. 578 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: We want our next kind of twelve month goal that 579 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 1: we set ourself a as a top ten across everything, 580 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: all the proteins. We'll be happy with that. And then 581 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: once we do that, we just keep working away and 582 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: chipping away and go for that RGC and that GC 583 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: hopefully eventually. 584 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was having this conversation. I've had this conversation 585 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: with people now, But what who mentioned the consistency thing 586 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: and wanting to get all four proteins into the top 587 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: ten at the comp But I'll ask you this way, 588 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: which would you rather have would you rather have all 589 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: four proteins and your final place in the top ten 590 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: but no walks, or would you rather bomb everything but 591 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: get a trophy. 592 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: I'd rather go for the top ten and no walks 593 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: to get a trophy. That's like we said all the time, 594 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: and we say it to people who asked us about 595 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: comp We don't do it for the trophies. We're competitive, 596 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: we like to be competitive, and we like the competition side, 597 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: but we're definitely not there to win trophies. And if 598 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: we can get top tens and all of it, that 599 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: means it's been a really good day for us, and 600 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: we've kind of stuck to the plan and achieved everything 601 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: we want to achieve. 602 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: So interestingly, I did both this season, and I didn't 603 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: enjoy the top tens. The top ten day left me 604 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: a little bit like, oh, that's kind of annoying. 605 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: It's always nice to get a trophy. You know, you 606 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: come home and you can stick it on Facebook and yeah, 607 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: you've got you've got to find somewhere to put the trophy. 608 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, for us, we've got trophies and they're great 609 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: and I think some of them live in the trailer now. 610 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: But we just haven't been able to nail that consistency 611 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: that top team, and that's that's that's the next big 612 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: goal for us for sure. 613 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to wish you all the luck in 614 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 2: getting that consistency you can. You're more than welcome to 615 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: have the four top tens and I'm going to hopefully 616 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: win more trophies this year, so we'll let you have that. 617 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: I'll just say, mate, thank you so much for lending 618 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: us some time of yours, stopping by and giving some 619 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: insight and some wisdom. Where can people keep up with 620 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: your online Ah. 621 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: We're on all the socials, mate, We've got the Facebook, 622 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: we've got the Instagram. Jeff's still got the Courier Pigeon 623 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: so you can do that too, and we've got the 624 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: website as well. 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