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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Egoring it's Heather Dupacy Eland drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today.

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Speaker 3: Nelson's getting a new hospital buildings some of them though,

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Speaker 3: I get this modular and transportable, which just sounds like prefabs,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it. We'll talk to the Health minister about that.

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Speaker 3: Brad Olsen on whether there really is a budget hole.

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Speaker 3: And Marilyn Wearing, former National Party MP on the People's

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Speaker 3: Select Committee that she set up on the pay.

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Speaker 1: Equity Heather dupericy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Now, look, I totally understand that retailers want an urgent

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Speaker 3: meeting with the Police minister. This is over the revelation

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Speaker 3: that police aren't bothering to investigate shoplifting below five hundred

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Speaker 3: bucks anymore. They're clearly worried because what's happened is there's

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Speaker 3: been a revelation from a memo that was sent to

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Speaker 3: police staff a couple of months ago saying that from

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Speaker 3: now on across all districts, cops will no longer investigate

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Speaker 3: theft and fraud below a suit and value. General theft

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Speaker 3: anything below two hundred bucks, are not investigating petrol drive offs,

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Speaker 3: anything below one hundred and fifty bucks, not investigating shoplifting

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Speaker 3: anything below five hundred bucks. Fraud as in like payway fraud,

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Speaker 3: online fraud scams anything below one thousand dollars, and then

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Speaker 3: all other fraud anything below five hundred bucks. Cops aren't

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Speaker 3: turning up. And that is, by the way, regardless of

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Speaker 3: whether you have lines of inquiry, right, so, even if

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Speaker 3: you know who nicked the stuff, even if you can

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Speaker 3: tell them where the stuff, is not going to investigate. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's totally understandable for retailers to want an urgent meeting

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Speaker 3: a shock. But also this is the reality, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: There are not enough police to deal with all the

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Speaker 3: crime in the country. We know that. It's not really

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Speaker 3: even a total surprise when you think about how many

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Speaker 3: stories you've heard about people who go to the police

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Speaker 3: tell the police exactly where the bike is, where the

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Speaker 3: and the police won't go and get it. But this

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Speaker 3: thieves start finding out about the stuff because they may

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Speaker 3: be criminals, but they're not always stupid. They know what

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Speaker 3: why so many of them just ended up brazenly pushing

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Speaker 3: I think the only solution to this is for the

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Speaker 3: government to get out of the way of retailers helping themselves.

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Speaker 3: They need to let the supermarkets use that facial facial

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Speaker 3: to pass the citizens Arrest law to allow the retailers

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Speaker 4: Heather Doupers nine two.

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Speaker 3: Standard techs fees apply By the way, the cops are

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Speaker 3: But this is not being met with universal approval, including

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Speaker 3: from the Salvation Army. Paul Barber is the principal social

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Speaker 5: Paul, Yeah, Hello, not loving to talk to you, it's

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Speaker 5: good to talk to you. Well, look, the Salvation Army

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Speaker 3: Why isn't it a good idea?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's the starters are already a lot of sanctions available.

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Speaker 5: People are already the welfare, work and income has a

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Speaker 5: whole range of sensors of being used heavily. We're talking

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if I would imagine that what they're

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Speaker 5: it's a simple communication issue. The ministry isn't able to

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Speaker 5: get hold of that person. For instance, often people don't

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Speaker 3: I guess I get those are the wrinkles of the situation.

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Speaker 3: But in some cases we just need kids, young people

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Speaker 5: Out, Well, certainly volunteer can be part of that. And

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Speaker 5: what we're saying is let's do that in a constructive way,

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Speaker 5: simply something that Work and Income does with all its clients,

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Speaker 3: You to enter people who take the piss right. You

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Speaker 5: And of course we are also working with people who

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Speaker 5: But that's not just the point.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, you can't rely on old mate who's

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Speaker 5: Well, what what is known as works is that positive.

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Speaker 5: For instance, if I can explain to you, the Ministry

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Speaker 5: of Social Development has reallocated people away from working on

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Speaker 5: So our plea is actually that work identifying trying to

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Speaker 5: instead for the ministry to take a constructive approach, a

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Speaker 3: A's Paul Barber, principal social policy analyst at Salvation Army. Trump,

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Speaker 3: by the way, heads up on what he's up to.

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Speaker 3: He's chickened out, no surprise on another tariff threat, so

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Speaker 3: he is now remember how he was like fifty percent

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Speaker 3: the reason he's agreed to delay it is because he

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Speaker 3: and Ursula von Delayan had a very nice call. It's

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Speaker 3: all it takes quarter pass four.

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Speaker 3: All Right, it's eighteen pass four and Jason Pine is

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Speaker 3: with me now sports talk host Ape Pony. Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: do you think Auckland as Auckland ft C were robbed?

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Speaker 7: No, No, I don't. I don't think they were, much

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Speaker 7: as they will protest about the goal that was disallowed,

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Speaker 7: which would have brought it back to two to two

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Speaker 7: on aggregate and set ups up for a grandstand finish

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Speaker 7: and may even who knows, have propelled them into the

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Speaker 7: Grand Final. My personal view is, and it's not the

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Speaker 7: commonly held view or necessarily the universal view. I thought

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Speaker 7: the ball was out. I thought I thought it curved out,

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Speaker 7: he equalized. You will not convince Steve Coricker of that.

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Speaker 7: He is absolutely adamant and still today will be absolutely

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Speaker 7: adamant that that ball didn't cross the line, or at

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Speaker 7: the very least that not enough examination of it was given.

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Speaker 7: Facts though Melbourne Victory were better than Auckland f C

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Speaker 7: on Saturday night, they deserve to win the game, which

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Speaker 7: I think this is kind of masking in some ways.

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Speaker 7: They were the better team. They deserve to go through.

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Speaker 7: Doesn't take away from Auckland f C SUPERB season. But

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Speaker 7: they'll be very very flat today because they were expecting

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Speaker 7: this week to be Grand Final week and now it's not.

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Speaker 3: Did Melbourne just rise to the occasion little Auckland choke?

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Speaker 7: Good question. I think Melbourn victory certainly made it tactically

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Speaker 7: slightly different formation, which and I Walkland f C weren't

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Speaker 7: expecting they even went so far. You have to give

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Speaker 7: the other team your team list and a formation an

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Speaker 7: hour before kickoff and the formation that was handed to

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Speaker 7: Aukland f C wasn't what they lined up as, so

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Speaker 7: a bit of you know, you don't have to you know,

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Speaker 7: you can just say what we changed that night at

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Speaker 7: the last minute, but it's up to Walkland f C to,

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Speaker 7: you know, to adjust to that. I think Melvin Victory

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Speaker 7: a very very good finals team and they showed their experience.

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Speaker 7: Only finished fifth in the regular season, here the you know,

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Speaker 7: and here they are in the Grand Final and I

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Speaker 7: think favorites to win it. So maybe I don't think

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Speaker 7: it's ay Auckland f C choked. I don't think that's

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Speaker 7: the right phrase. I just don't think they rose to

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Speaker 7: the occasion as much as Melbourne Victory did.

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Speaker 3: Is the coach being a sore loser?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not.

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Speaker 7: A good look, right, He's still complaining about something which

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Speaker 7: He's a very emotional, passionate football coach and has clearly

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Speaker 3: You won't hear me complaining about port COM's permanent buildings.

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Speaker 3: Russia has launched a major missile and drone attack on

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Speaker 3: Over and Assi, the Defense Force has been sent to

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Speaker 3: And finally, that is the sound of a cargo ship

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Heather, there's only one for schoolhole on It's in Chloe's head.

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Speaker 3: with us Ali yet ahead. Okay, So machette sales are banned,

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Speaker 3: are they?

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Speaker 12: They are from midday on Wednesday Victorian time. This comes

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Speaker 4: The weekend in Melbourne, allegedly.

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Speaker 12: Between a couple of under silants using a machete. So

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, what's the latest from the floods.

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Speaker 4: So the warrigamp a damn in Sydney has burst. It

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Speaker 12: They're slowly being able to move back into some of

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Speaker 12: the towns. There are still some flood waters in some

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Speaker 12: northern parts of New South Wales. This is going to

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Speaker 12: cost obviously hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars and

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Speaker 12: there is no guarantee that people are going to be

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Speaker 12: ad to be able to access their homes this week.

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Speaker 12: So look the images which are coming out from cattle

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Speaker 12: and livestock stations in particular being caught up in the floods.

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Speaker 4: It's just quite heartbreaking.

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Speaker 12: After a bunch of cyclones have really hit this part

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Speaker 12: of New South Wales and southern Queensland over recent months.

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Speaker 12: It is something that I don't want to be heading

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Speaker 12: into with winter just around the corner.

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Speaker 3: Now I see that the problem with the ADHD in

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Speaker 3: medication is being fixed in your part of the world

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Speaker 3: by gps being able to scribe, being able to be

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Speaker 3: given more ability really to prescribe it, right.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so about one thousand gps will be given this

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Speaker 12: opportunity over in New South Wales, you know, and they

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Speaker 12: reckon that the number of people on medication for ADHD

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Speaker 12: has surged by three hundred percent over the last decade.

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Speaker 12: That rises to four hundred and seventy thousand people in

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Speaker 12: twenty two to twenty three. But it's going to become

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Speaker 12: a lot easy for you. I mean, our gps are

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Speaker 12: being asked to do everything. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 12: the same in New Zealand, Heather, but our gps are

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Speaker 12: being asked to do mental health checks now obviously prescribe

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Speaker 12: ADHD medication all because there is such a backlog as

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Speaker 12: well to go and see psychiatrists and psychologists. There's just

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Speaker 12: no There's this front page story here in our local

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Speaker 12: paper today in Western Australia where there is now a

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Speaker 12: secret list for public surgery wait times. So if you've

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Speaker 12: got a knee issue, you could be waiting up to

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Speaker 12: three years to go in knee fixed.

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Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous, got this pressure on the GP.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that this is such a good idea

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Speaker 3: because I mean, neither how many people do you know

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Speaker 3: in your life who've declared themselves to be Adhd?

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Speaker 4: Every other person that I've met.

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Speaker 3: I've got two members of my family who think they

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Speaker 3: are Adhd, and that almost convinced me that I am anyway,

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Speaker 3: But this is the problem, right, So now I think

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Speaker 3: I'm Adhd if I'm living in your part of the world,

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Speaker 3: then I just go along to the GP, tellim I

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Speaker 3: need the pearls. They give it to me. Surely what

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Speaker 3: you need is as a specialist to sit you down

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Speaker 3: and go nay.

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Speaker 4: You actually, though absolutely I agree.

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Speaker 12: I think they're over prescribing this stuff and there's got

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Speaker 12: to be a massive warning sign on this, and I

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Speaker 12: don't think it's just going to be basically what everyone's

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Speaker 12: going to chat with the GP and say, this is

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Speaker 12: my shopping list. Can you feel it out and give

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Speaker 12: me a prescription?

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Speaker 13: I don't like it.

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Speaker 3: Are you Adhd?

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Speaker 10: By the way?

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Speaker 4: Nah?

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Speaker 14: I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I mean I don't stop.

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Speaker 12: Like all journalists have got ADHD.

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Speaker 4: Don't we like we can't stop better?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you should go see the GP. Okay, Ollie,

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Speaker 3: thank you, I appreciated. Oliver Peterson, six PR pers Life Presenter. Yes,

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Speaker 3: so it's my brother. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna

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Speaker 3: shame out right now. My brother thinks he's got ADHD.

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Speaker 3: He thinks I've got ADHD too. He says that the

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Speaker 3: symptoms of ADHD are over sharing, which to be fair,

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Speaker 3: I definitely do. It's also inability to concentrate, which definitely

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Speaker 3: does happen from time to time. It's a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of other stuff. But anyway, then I was talking to

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Speaker 3: him about it and I said, well, this just sounds

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Speaker 3: like a lot of symptoms of burnout as well, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Or it sounds like others. It also sounds like maybe

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Speaker 3: you're sitting up too late at night playing PlayStation and

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Speaker 3: not getting enough sleep. Is that what you have? Or

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Speaker 3: do you have ADHD? Now you see the problem?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: So now mate goes along to that, if he's living

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Speaker 3: in Australia, go get a little pills from the GP

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Speaker 3: and maybe maybe just needs a good sit down with

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Speaker 3: a specialist. He goes, no, you haven't got Adhd. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you just need to stop playing Grand Theft Auto in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the night and go to bed mate. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: don't worry, my phone's gonna light up in a minute

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Speaker 3: because being ADHD, he will be listening to this while

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Speaker 3: doing something else. And now he's going to text me furiously,

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Speaker 3: lots and lots of texts, and I'm going to get

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Speaker 3: in try. But I'm just gonna blame my ADHD because

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Speaker 3: I would say, hey, O for shared, because I've got ADHD. Yay,

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Speaker 3: it's an excuse for all my bad behavior. Hey, listen

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Speaker 3: on an actual subject of things you care about, which

527
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Speaker 3: is what's going on in politics. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you've seen this, but there are a bunch of women

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Speaker 3: who are former MPs who've set up this unofficial select

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Speaker 3: committee group and they're just going to roast the government,

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Speaker 3: aren't they over the changes to the pay equity law.

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Speaker 3: I'm going it's led by Marilyn Wearing. Stop it trouble

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Speaker 3: maker from way back, but it kind of the kind

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Speaker 3: of troublemaker we like, like a nice trouble maker. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to Jason Walls about it, and we may

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Speaker 3: depending on how intense. My ADHD is today. I may,

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Speaker 3: in fact, we may get in a bit of trouble

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Speaker 3: over what we're going to say. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five politics with centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Jason Wall's political editors with us. Hello Jason, Hello, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Fiscal holes A so the Greens reckon they found one.

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Speaker 15: Don't say it, don't say the word I'm sick of.

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Speaker 15: I had flashbacks to the press conference. It's Steve Joyce's

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Speaker 15: off us back in twenty seventeen. But no, so it's

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Speaker 15: I'll take you through it because it's not a fiscal

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Speaker 15: whole per se. But it doesn't mean the government's completely

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Speaker 15: clean either. The Green said the government had not accounted

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Speaker 15: for the increase for its own employees and its books.

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Speaker 15: When it comes to that three to four percent increase

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Speaker 15: in the ki ki we saver changes and the government,

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Speaker 15: you know it would hit the government quite hard. The

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Speaker 15: government employees about sixty two to sixty five thousand people,

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Speaker 15: so having that liability on your books it was always

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Speaker 15: going to be a fair chunk of change. The Greens are,

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Speaker 15: they're correct. There's no specific line in the budget that

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Speaker 15: says how much this is actually going to cost the government.

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Speaker 15: There are no actual numbers, but what it is in

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Speaker 15: is something called the Specific Fiscal Risks section of the budget,

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Speaker 15: and that is the section where officials kind of note

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Speaker 15: some of the bigger issues that will cost a lot

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Speaker 15: of money that can't necessarily be quantified at this given time,

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Speaker 15: think of like a big earthquake in Wellington or something

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Speaker 15: like that. So it is in the Specific Fiscal Risk section.

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Speaker 15: It is very thin. It's very thin. It's on page

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Speaker 15: ninety two of the Budget and Economic Fiscal Update the BIFU,

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Speaker 15: and it says, in addition, when it's talking about public

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Speaker 15: sector employment agreements, there may be increased costs arising from

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Speaker 15: increases in employer can we sy saver contributions following Budget

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty five decisions. So it's way for thin in

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Speaker 15: terms of the details. The Greens say it's between six

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Speaker 15: hundred and seven hundred million of thereabouts, but it's it's

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Speaker 15: technically the thing is and Nikola Willis kind of explains

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Speaker 15: it this, she explained it this afternoon, is that the

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Speaker 15: government have been unable to quantify that and she decided

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Speaker 15: to when she was talking about it today kind of

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Speaker 15: take a aim at the Greens rather than the issue itself.

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Speaker 8: Well, I won't be taking any mass lessons from Chloe's wallbrick.

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Speaker 8: The only whole I've seen is the eighty eight billion

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Speaker 8: dollar hole she wants to dig in New Zealander's pockets

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Speaker 8: with her proposed new taxes and the forty four billion

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Speaker 8: dollar debt hole she wants to dig for our country.

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Speaker 15: And you know, it's an easy hit for the minister.

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Speaker 15: But then she actually goes on to kind of confirm

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Speaker 15: what the Greens have been saying.

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Speaker 8: The specific issue she refers to was specified as a

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Speaker 8: fiscal risk in the budget documents, and we will now

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Speaker 8: be working with individual government agencies to identify what potential

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Speaker 8: costs they could face in order to meet these new

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Speaker 8: key we saver requirements. Will assess that information and then

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Speaker 8: make a judgment about whether agencies do in fact need

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Speaker 8: any additional funding to meet those commitments. We don't have

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Speaker 8: that information yet, so it's too soon to make a judgment.

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Speaker 15: So in conclusion, the government does need to come up

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Speaker 15: with the money. It wasn't in this year's budget, but

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Speaker 15: it's not a whole per se, because the government always

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Speaker 15: knew that they had to fund it. They just didn't

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Speaker 15: know how much.

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Speaker 3: How much it was, Yes, Now, what do you think

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Speaker 3: of the People's It sounds very very communist. China doesn't

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Speaker 3: the People Select Committee it does.

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Speaker 15: That was the first thing that I thought when I

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Speaker 15: went to the press conference this morning. It does have

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Speaker 15: sort of big communist, big grand Hall of the People

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Speaker 15: in China vibes. But you know, it's to be fair.

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Speaker 15: It is a pretty stacked cast of people on this committee.

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Speaker 15: It it's Marilyn Wearing, of course, needs no introduction. You've

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Speaker 15: got Jackie Blue a former GNAT, Joe Hayes a former NAT.

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Speaker 15: You've got people like Lean Deeza Dezel there. You've got

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Speaker 15: Steve Chadwick. Nanaima Huta is there as well in Sue Bradford.

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Speaker 15: So it's actually a good mix of National New Zealand

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Speaker 15: first with a couple of Labor and the Green sprinkled

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Speaker 15: in as well. And it was Marilyn Wearing that put

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Speaker 15: this whole thing together. And it's not that she's opposed

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Speaker 15: to the changes for pay equity per se. It's more

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Speaker 15: that she's not happy that the Select Committee process had

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Speaker 15: been somewhat circumvented. Here's what she told.

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Speaker 16: Us I'm hardly one to worry.

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Speaker 17: I sat in a parliament that was the deviled by

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Speaker 17: urgency under Muldoon for you know, many on many occasions.

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Speaker 15: So I asked it was it Robert Muldoon? Was Was

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Speaker 15: he in mind when she was forming this group?

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Speaker 17: No, No, I don't think of him at all.

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Speaker 15: Been there, done that, Being there, done that on Robert Muldoon.

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Speaker 15: She's one of the few people that say something like that.

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Speaker 15: But I guess the question comes back to will this

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Speaker 15: have any impact on the government's planned pay equity plans.

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Speaker 15: Here's what Nicola Willis told us.

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Speaker 8: Well, we've already passed the law, so people are free

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Speaker 8: to share their views on it and to have debate.

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Speaker 8: But with the government has already made up its mind

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Speaker 8: on this issue.

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Speaker 15: So that's it's a firm noel. But this issue isn't

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Speaker 15: going to go away quietly as long as this committee

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Speaker 15: is around.

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Speaker 3: Ever heard of Belinda Vernon before?

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Speaker 15: I have heard of Belinda Vernon. Yes, she was one

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Speaker 15: of the people that because she's on this committee and

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Speaker 15: that before that. Honestly, now, are you going to tell

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Speaker 15: me that she's really important I'm about political editor.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. No, No, I think you took

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Speaker 3: enough beating from me last week. You will have heard

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Speaker 3: of Jackie Blue and Joe Hayes, right, because they were

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Speaker 3: jack time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Jackie Blue was my MP at Mount Roskill when I

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Speaker 15: was yeah, And I actually went up to Jackie Blue

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Speaker 15: one day and said, what what does it take for

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Speaker 15: me to become a politician? And she give me this

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Speaker 15: whole long list of things and not going to do it.

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Speaker 3: But it was just like, yeah, Lynn play do you

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Speaker 3: remember her?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 15: No, no, that one.

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Speaker 3: I think you've made my point for me. It's hardly

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Speaker 3: Paula Bennetts and Helen Clark's is it.

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Speaker 15: You gotta get Nanaiama hooter.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Sue Bradford, like Nanoiah, was one of the laziest MPs around,

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Speaker 3: but she was.

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Speaker 15: Still a minister of the crowds.

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Speaker 3: Of the ministers and they sit around doing nothing and

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Speaker 3: she's the prime example of it and who you should

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Speaker 3: be on the Bradford I just quite like what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Sue Bradford. You're right, Sue Bradford is a Sue Bradford

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Speaker 3: actually doesn't deserve to be in this list with all

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Speaker 3: of these people anyway, Thanks very much. Jason appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Jason Wall's News talk Z Political head that that was

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Speaker 3: way too harsh. Some of them are actually okay. Some

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Speaker 3: of them are okay, but I mean some of them

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Speaker 3: ever heard of them before? Nah seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: As well, this how much are people going to spend? Therefore?

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Speaker 18: How much are they going to depreciate? Therefore? How much

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Speaker 18: are they not going to pay you tax?

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Speaker 8: Well, there's two parts to it. There's those who are

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Speaker 8: going to be making investments anyway, so for then this

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Speaker 8: policy means a bit more cash flow. And the second

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Speaker 8: thing is how many new investments get brought forward.

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Speaker 18: That's a bit.

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Speaker 8: Harder to judge, but when we look around the world,

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Speaker 8: evidence is pretty clear that people will make investments they

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Speaker 8: wouldn't have otherwise made. If we over deliver on this,

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Speaker 8: and it costs more because more people are investing, I

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Speaker 8: think the growth dividend will be well worth it because

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Speaker 8: that means bigger jobs, more pay more opportunities for New Zealanders.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: Baby's Real Estate News talk Z' be here.

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Speaker 3: The Belinda Vernon was the head girl at my school.

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Speaker 3: You know who she is. Okay, listen, there are some

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Speaker 3: things that you didn't know that you needed to know

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Speaker 3: about your prime minister, and I'm going to give you

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Speaker 3: one of them. Chris Luxen has talked to Dom Harvey

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Speaker 3: on his podcast, did.

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Speaker 18: You save yourselves for marriage?

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Speaker 16: Well?

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Speaker 19: I mean we yeah, we were very committed to each other. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: and so that's been you know we basically I wanted

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Speaker 19: to make sure when I go into a relationship with someone,

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Speaker 19: I want to do it for life.

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Speaker 18: And that was Amanda for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 3: It's cool. You didn't know that you needed to know that,

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Speaker 3: but now you know that. Also, he did acknowledge. You

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Speaker 3: remember when he had that interview with Mike, and Mike

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Speaker 3: asked him about several thousand different ways whether he was

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Speaker 3: going to sack Andrew Bailey had Andrew Bailey not resigned.

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Speaker 3: He now regrets ob the skating.

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Speaker 19: I probably answered it from a human point of view

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Speaker 19: of like, is this really what this individual needs right now?

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Speaker 19: Is to say the promise what I fired you anyway?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 19: And so yep, I didn't probably get that one right.

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Speaker 19: I should have answered more definitively about it, and that

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Speaker 19: it was actually you get caught between a human moment

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Speaker 19: of trying to care for the individual who you actually

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Speaker 19: have worked with and know well, and yes it's a

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Speaker 19: different personality, but actually just genuinely made a mistake, right,

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Speaker 19: and it's taken responsibility for it. And do they really

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Speaker 19: need me piling on there?

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Speaker 20: You go?

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Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna have a chat to the cops

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Speaker 3: next about this investigation of retail crime. If you haven't

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Speaker 3: caught up on it, anything under five hundred bucks at shoplifted,

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Speaker 3: they're not coming to have a look at it. They

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Speaker 3: were with us.

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Speaker 2: Next.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive, show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 10: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Retailers are asking the Police Minister for an

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Speaker 3: urgent meeting after a revelation that cops are no longer

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Speaker 3: investigating fraud and theft crimes below a certain level. So

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Speaker 3: a memo was sent to police staff two months ago

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Speaker 3: showing police will no longer attend shoplifting incidents where the

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Speaker 3: value is below five hundred gas theft incidents as in

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Speaker 3: petrol theft incidents of less than one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: dollars and won't investigate online scams below one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Superintendent Blair MacDonald is the police Director of Service, Hay

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Speaker 3: Blair Kuoder. Why are you guys doing this?

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Speaker 21: Well, look, we're actually not changing anything. Look, unfortunately there's

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Speaker 21: been some confusion with this memo that went out so effectively,

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Speaker 21: the memo was written specifically for people, in this case

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Speaker 21: my staff who actually are triarging all of the files

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Speaker 21: that come into the organization. Now, if this information if

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Speaker 21: I had have intended for that memo to be made

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Speaker 21: public or to be presented in a public way, it

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Speaker 21: would have been worded in a very different way.

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Speaker 3: Right, But you're still doing this, right you are not.

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Speaker 3: You're clearly not going to investigate any shoplifting with the

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Speaker 3: value is below five hundred bucks.

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Speaker 21: Yes, no, no, So that is incorrect. So what I

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Speaker 21: really want to re ensure that reassure all of the

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Speaker 21: listeners out there today that police will absolutely still be

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Speaker 21: investigating shoplifting retail theft where there is clear evidence of offending.

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Speaker 21: So for example, where we have identified an offender, we've

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Speaker 21: got great CCTV footage or vehicles identified, etc. What the

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Speaker 21: memo was directing my staff to do was to create

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Speaker 21: a consistent excuse me, threshold for our staff to be

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Speaker 21: able to assign these cases onto the districts.

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Speaker 3: When assessing files with these offenses, you will apply the

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Speaker 3: relevant value threshold and file any file under that threshold,

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Speaker 3: regardless of any lines of inquiry, which is to say,

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Speaker 3: regardless of any lines of inquiry, it's not going to

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Speaker 3: be investigated, Isn't that what it's saying.

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Speaker 21: Well, that is true. But what you need to appreciate

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Speaker 21: is that we have groups like the Retail Crime Group

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Speaker 21: who are actually looking across all of these files. Now,

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Speaker 21: certainly I do not disagree that when a file is filed,

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Speaker 21: it is what it says on the can it's filed.

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Speaker 21: But if more evidence comes to light, or we identify

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Speaker 21: a series or a pattern of offending, when it comes to.

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Speaker 4: A real hot we can reacalivate.

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Speaker 3: These guys are filing it. They're filing it regardless of

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Speaker 3: whether there's lines of inquiry. They're putting it away. It's

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Speaker 3: never going to see the light of day again. It's gone.

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Speaker 21: Well, no, that's not at all So the filing part

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Speaker 21: is absolutely true. But what you need to appreciate this

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Speaker 21: is going into our national intelligence application, and we have

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Speaker 21: intelligence teams that are looking at these files daily and

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Speaker 21: that's the whole point, right, So they are able to

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Speaker 21: detect these trends and patterns so we can identify the

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Speaker 21: significant people who are offending in this area.

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Speaker 3: So so what you're seeing is patterns and stuff. But

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Speaker 3: what if you are running the shop, We're four hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty dollars worth of stuff just got nicked, and

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Speaker 3: that got filed. It's surely of very little, you know,

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Speaker 3: like assistance to you that somewhere may form a pattern.

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Speaker 3: They want that filed out with right there, not just

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Speaker 3: put away, but it's being put away as Yeah.

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Speaker 21: Look, I can completely understand and look, in an ideal world,

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Speaker 21: you know, our organization would be able to investigate every

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Speaker 21: single reported offense that comes in the door. But as

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Speaker 21: I said to you earlier, look, you know my team

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Speaker 21: alone deal with one point twenty five million. Now that

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Speaker 21: is ninety thousand offenses every single month. Now, the reality

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Speaker 21: is we just can't get.

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Speaker 3: To that enough. And I am out of.

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Speaker 21: Out our assessment process. Yeah, so we're part of our

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Speaker 21: assessment process, right, we try and judge, Okay, where can

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Speaker 21: we investigate that's going to prevent the most amount of

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Speaker 21: or prevent the most amount of harm and put risk

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Speaker 21: to our members of the public. And this is just

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Speaker 21: one tool in that process.

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Speaker 3: Do you worry though, that now that this information is

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Speaker 3: out there, the recidivists are going to know, right, if

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Speaker 3: they do five hundred dollars and less of shoplifting, they'll

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Speaker 3: get away with it. If they drive away with less

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Speaker 3: than one hundred and fifty bucks worth of petrol, they'll

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Speaker 3: get away with it.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well it's a fair assumption, right, But again I

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Speaker 21: come back to that's where we're lucky, right, we have

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Speaker 21: good tools, good systems, good processes in place where we've

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Speaker 21: got some very clever people looking for all of that.

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Speaker 21: The Aura platform, for example, captures a fantastic CCTV imagery

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Speaker 21: which allows these investigation teams to connect the dots. And

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Speaker 21: so look, you know that's that Again. You spoke to

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Speaker 21: Matt earlier last week. His retail crime group do some

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Speaker 21: fantastic work in that space. And just to give you

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Speaker 21: an example of his numbers, because I know he didn't

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Speaker 21: get to share them, but between twenty two and twenty

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Speaker 21: twenty four, we actually increase the identification of offending in

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Speaker 21: this space by thirty five percent.

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Speaker 3: And how much we went from you.

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Speaker 21: I don't have that exact data for what to do.

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Speaker 4: Focused on the wrong thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm stoked that you guys are doing

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Speaker 3: all this other stuff and you've got cool little systems

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Speaker 3: and stuff. That means nothing to me. I want you

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Speaker 3: to solve the crimes. How many of these crimes are

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Speaker 3: you solving? It would be piddly amount.

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Speaker 21: A look again, Sorry, I actually couldn't tell you off

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Speaker 21: the that's a little bit outside my swim lane. We're

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Speaker 21: busy at the business end managing the information, and the

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Speaker 21: districts of course are out there doing the investigations.

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Speaker 3: All right, Blair, listen, thank you very much for your time. Appreciated.

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Speaker 3: It's superintended. Billy McDonald, Police, Director of Service.

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Speaker 1: Here the Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 3: The Nelson government has announced details of its planned upgrade

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Speaker 3: for Nelson Hospital. It's going to get a brand new

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Speaker 3: impatient building by twenty twenty nine, that's two years earlier

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Speaker 3: than planned, and then the two existing main buildings are

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Speaker 3: also going to get a reno Simeon Brown as the

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Speaker 3: Health Minister to Haysam in.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Heather, how are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Are you doing more or less than Labor

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Speaker 3: was planning to do? Because this feels like a downgrade.

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 13: Look No, this is gone through a process which actually

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Speaker 13: Labor started a rescope in August twenty twenty three, they

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Speaker 13: just didn't tell anybody about. And it's going to increase

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Speaker 13: the number of beds substantially at Nelson Hospital. But do

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Speaker 13: it in a cost effective way. And that's what we're

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Speaker 13: focused on doing, making sure we can bring that forward

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Speaker 13: and get that capacity. If we continue with Labour's approach,

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Speaker 13: which they wanted to do, it was going to cost

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Speaker 13: up to one point eight billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: So and yours has been costing one.

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Speaker 13: We've allocated another five hundred million dollar in this budget,

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Speaker 13: over just over five hundred million dollars in the budget

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Speaker 13: to this project. And it delivers a new and patient building,

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Speaker 13: It provides an upgrade to the existing facilities and a

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Speaker 13: new energy center so that the people Nelson can get

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Speaker 13: the capacity and the timely quality healthcare that they need.

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Speaker 3: So what is this with these modular transportable buildings? Are

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Speaker 3: these prefabs.

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Speaker 13: Effectively, these are well prefabricated wards. The budget also funded

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Speaker 13: Health New Zealand to be able to be put in

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Speaker 13: place three to four of these across the country. Nelson's

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Speaker 13: going to be the first to receive it. And this

873
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 13: basically means we can get more beds in place, even sooner,

874
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 13: so while the construction's underway, more beds in place and Nelson,

875
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 13: so that we can address some of the challenges facing

876
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 13: that hospital because it does have a bed shortage, elective surgeries,

877
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 13: hip knees, cataracts, they.

878
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: Are these things. Are these things temporary, So once you

879
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: finish the construction, you shift the beds in, then then

880
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: you take the building away.

881
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: Yes, you can do you can do so.

882
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 13: Ultimately, we're building the long term solution, but this means

883
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 13: that before that's been completed, we can get more beds

884
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 13: than much much.

885
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: Now, you and I know how this works, right. You

886
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: check one of those modular buildings there. They're not going

887
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: to be moved out. They're going to become permanent, aren't they.

888
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: I mean not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but

889
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 3: it is going to happen, isn't it.

890
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 13: Well, the key thing here is we are building the

891
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 13: long term solution for Nelson and so this allows for

892
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 13: that additional capacity in the short term while the new

893
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 13: and patient beds are being built. We're also funded, as

894
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 13: said others, of the more units for other parts of

895
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 13: the country as well. We know we've got a bed

896
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 13: shortage across the country and this is one way that

897
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 13: we can address it.

898
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: Okay, and so in terms of the staffing, which has

899
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: actually been what's getting the headlines lately, is this going

900
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: to help with the staffing issues.

901
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 13: Well, look, that's obviously why we've funded. You know, we've

902
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 13: increased Health New Zealand's funding again in this year's budget.

903
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 13: Health overall received a seven percent increase in funding, about

904
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 13: six point two percent on a per capita basis. So

905
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 13: it's receiving a significant uplift and funding so that we

906
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 13: can deliver the services that we need that people and

907
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 13: the infrastructure which are critically needed across New Zealand.

908
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: All right, saman listen, thanks very much. I really appreciate

909
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: it that Sam and Brown the Health Minister. Quarter past five.

910
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: I just a reminder we're going to talk to Marilyn

911
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: Wearing after half pasted about this People's Select Committee right now.

912
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: It's eighteen past five. Now the fiscal hole is back again.

913
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: This time it's from the Greens. They reckon they found

914
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: a seven hundred million dollar hole in the government's twenty

915
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: twenty five budget. They reckon the government hasn't costed for

916
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: the amount it will have to pay its public service

917
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: employees when the key we save employer contributions go from

918
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: three to four percent. Brad Olson is the principal economist

919
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: Informetrics and been taking a look at it. Hallo, Brad,

920
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: good evening. So it's there. But is it a mini

921
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: hole or a maxi hole?

922
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 22: Well, I feel like it's sort of a half talked

923
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 22: about hole in a sense because the government and Treasury

924
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 22: have noted some of the lack of costing effectively in

925
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 22: some of the fiscal Risks section of the budget update.

926
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 22: And that's only because the government doesn't want to prejudice

927
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 22: their position and they're going to at some point go

928
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 22: into negotiations with employees around this and other changes, and

929
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 22: they don't sort of want to have already said, well, look,

930
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 22: we've set aside all of this money and therefore that's

931
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 22: definitely how we're going to pay for it. So I

932
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 22: feel like It's a hole that sort of hasn't been

933
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 22: fully costed out, but certainly hasn't been completely forgotten about either.

934
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 22: The government has just got to work out over the

935
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 22: next couple of years as these changes come through, what

936
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 22: it effectively does to achieve it, just like I think

937
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 22: every other business across the country will be trying to

938
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 22: figure out. So there is a cost, it will have

939
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 22: to be met, but it's not being directly disclosed in

940
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 22: the budget figures.

941
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: Bred there is something to this argument. Isn't that that

942
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: now that you have to up your key, the employers

943
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: have to up the key. We save a contribution from

944
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: the employer. The pay rise that you get next to

945
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: you or whenever this kicks in twenty twenty oud or

946
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: thereafter is going to be lower.

947
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 22: Yeah, that's effectively what the Treasury has estimated themselves. I've

948
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 22: said that they expect that, you know, I think something

949
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 22: like eighty percent of employers are likely to sort of

950
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 22: move in that way and figure out how to sort

951
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 22: of meet it. And I guess from that point of view,

952
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 22: it might well be that, you know, the boss the

953
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 22: employers come out and say, well, look we were going

954
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 22: to give you. I don't know a two thousand dollars increase.

955
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 22: We'll still give you that increase, but only one thousand

956
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 22: dollars of it will actually go to you and your

957
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 22: weekly paid. The other thousand is to meet the additional

958
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 22: contributions that we've got to make on your CAVI saver.

959
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: That's I think.

960
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: I mean, we see a lot of these.

961
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 22: Conversations play out across employees and employers, and it will

962
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 22: be a horses for courses argument. Again, that's probably what

963
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 22: the government will have to do as well. They'll say, well, look,

964
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 22: we're going to give you more pay. It's just that

965
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 22: more of your pay now gets saved as well. And

966
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 22: that's where it's all coming from. Sort of one total bucket.

967
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: Okay, you have twenty seconds to tell me what your

968
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: problem with me is on superannuation.

969
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 22: That we should approach superannuation like every other benefit we

970
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 22: seem too. There's a bit of means testing. There's not

971
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 22: all that much universality in it.

972
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, very good. That was probably only like

973
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: seven seconds. Thank you, Brad brad Elson. Infametric principle economsts.

974
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come back to that and check this out. Though, Heather,

975
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: I'm sorry because I hate to criticize the police, but

976
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: in the last six weeks I've had two reasons to

977
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: interact with them. On the first one, my car was

978
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: stolen and my phone was taken and it was traceable.

979
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: It was driven down do Minion Road in Auckland in

980
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 3: the middle of the day, past all the traffic camps.

981
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: On the second occasion, a lady broke into my apartment block,

982
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: broke a windows, a window of my neighbor's car. There

983
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: were CCTV images of her. On both occasions, there was

984
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: insufficient information to investigate. If you don't look, you won't

985
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: find information. Insufficient information with all of that available information,

986
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: So when we had or Mate Blair with us just

987
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: before going yeah, well, you know, we'd put it all

988
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: into a database and we try to connect the dots

989
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 3: and then maybe one day, in about one hundred years,

990
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: we'll actually find these people. This is the information that's

991
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: being put in. You could probably find the criminals, and

992
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: in many cases you actually can if you wanted to bother,

993
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: but there just aren't enough police to do it. Five

994
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: twenty two.

995
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather duplicy Ellen

996
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and used.

997
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: Either on a load of bs. The police should be

998
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: investigating every theft, every fraud, whatever the amount, especially with

999
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: the identity the offenders are known or can be established

1000
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 3: with some inquiry. I'm an old detective from the sixties, seventies,

1001
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: eighties and nineties. Just don't have enough cops. What do

1002
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: you do about it? Anyway, We're going to flick it

1003
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: to the huddle, have a chat to them, and then

1004
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 3: Finance Minister Nikola Willis is with us after six o'clock

1005
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 3: will ask her two, it's five twenty five. Now read

1006
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: the chat with Brad. Just before, I got a surprising

1007
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: amount of unsolicited feedback on about my rent on Friday,

1008
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: about leaving the government, needing to leave my superannuation alone,

1009
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: and some of it was from Brad Olson, who decided

1010
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 3: to start a text exchange with me at about quarter

1011
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: to eight on Friday night saying, and I quote, I

1012
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: think we need to do a super conversation, and then

1013
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: he gave me his argument against my argument. Of course,

1014
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: his argument made sense, as did everybody else's argument. But

1015
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: what everybody fails to understand apparently I'm judging by all

1016
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: of the feedback I'm getting is that, yes, I am

1017
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: emotional about my super, but also what people are missing

1018
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: is that I am prepared to give up some of

1019
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 3: my super if and only if the government first removes

1020
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: welfare from working age people. Because understand this super is

1021
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: welfare for people who are not of working age, and

1022
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: I put that in their quotes. But there is a

1023
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: lot of welfare out there for people who are of

1024
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: working age, and I want you to go after that first. Okay,

1025
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: So for example, third year free tertiary, there is no

1026
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: need for that. Why are we making kids pay for

1027
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: year one of the university and then year two of

1028
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: the university? And they were, god, yeah, three's on us,

1029
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: totally cooled, But no, get rid of it. You don't

1030
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: need to do that. They were fine before you made

1031
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: it free. They were paying for it themselves. Can we

1032
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: save a contributions they need to go all together? They

1033
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: never mind this business that we're just tinkering with it

1034
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: right now? Why are we giving about two hundred dollars

1035
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: dollars a year to the super fund, the kei we Fund?

1036
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: Can we save a fund of somebody who's earning one

1037
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars a year they have

1038
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: enough money to save themselves. Get rid of it. Working

1039
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: for families, get rid of it. I don't mean you're

1040
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: gonna have to do that slowly, because that thing's deeply

1041
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: entrench now. But this is the most disgraceful example of

1042
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 3: welfare for people who don't need it. Do you realize

1043
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: that there are people in this country who are on

1044
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: working well, working for families, who pay literally no tax

1045
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: at all. They have children, they have an income, They

1046
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: pay no tax at all because we're just giving them

1047
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: that much money, in some cases tens of thousands of dollars.

1048
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: Guy emailed me to tell me that his mate's wife

1049
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: stopped working all together because you couldn't be bothered working

1050
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: now the husband is the only one working. They get

1051
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: working for families. They get more in working for families

1052
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: than they pay an income tax. Therefore that we're giving

1053
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: them free money. Get rid of it. Best start get

1054
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 3: rid of it. Don't do all every freebie like this,

1055
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: get rid of it. If we're going to touch super

1056
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: to save money, we should touch everything else first, because

1057
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: surely you take away from those who are of working

1058
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: age first before you start taking away from pensioners together.

1059
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: Do for sea Allen, do we need to.

1060
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: Talk about Nichola Willis's outfit? I have, I don't. I'm

1061
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: not quite. I'm not quite like everybody else in this

1062
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: I don't mind talking about outfits. I don't mind talking

1063
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: about MP's outfits. I do it all the time. I mean,

1064
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm ashamed of myself every time a man comes into

1065
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: the office on budget day, whether it's Robbo or whoever

1066
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: I got, Well, how bought you that tie? Who'd you

1067
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: get that ti? Why'd you pick it for budget Day?

1068
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: So anyway, we'll talk about that.

1069
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 9: Shortly after making the news, the newsmakers talk to Hither first,

1070
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 9: it's Hither duplessy Ellen drive with one new zealist, let's

1071
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 9: get connected news talks.

1072
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: They'd bed you taking me.

1073
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 5: Right?

1074
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: Nikolot listens with us half six o'clock and the huddle

1075
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: is standing by Colin, the former police officers. He emailed

1076
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: me saying, Hither that copper was talking absolute crap. He's

1077
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: just started a tsunami of theft. It obviously requires the

1078
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: old crims tuning into the news, but it won't take

1079
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: a long time for it to filter to them. Right now,

1080
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 3: it's twenty four away now, a group of former female

1081
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: MPs have set up an official and unofficial Sorry Select

1082
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: Committee group to interrogate the government's changes to pay equity law.

1083
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: The group includes Nanaiamahosa from Labour, Sue Bradford from the Greens,

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Speaker 3: Rear Bond from New Zealand First, Joe Hayes from National,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, and it's being led by Dame

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Speaker 3: Marilyn Wearing. Marilyn, Hello, lovely to talk to you. It's

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Speaker 3: great to have you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: What's the point of this? Are you guys trying to

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Speaker 3: exert pressure here to force a U tune?

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Speaker 16: We're trying to collect the evidence that should have been

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Speaker 16: before Parliament before the legislation was considered. So I'm a

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Speaker 16: researcher of old and I like rigat and I like evidence,

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00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 16: and when it affects that vast number of women, I

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Speaker 16: was very concerned that it wasn't there, and I thought

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Speaker 16: what might be a device effect to gather all of

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Speaker 16: that evidence that should have been in front of parliament.

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Speaker 16: So I approached a group of other former women members

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Speaker 16: of Parliament who frankly jumped at the opportunity to work

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Speaker 16: in this way. We know that the government has said

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Speaker 16: they're going to continue some pay equity claims. We know

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Speaker 16: that the opposition is saying they're going to overturn things.

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Speaker 16: I think it will be in both their interests to

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Speaker 16: have the information that we can now gather.

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Speaker 3: Are you expecting anybody from the government to talk to you.

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Speaker 16: Guys, Not in particular, but I'm not sure that that

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Speaker 16: worries me very much. I mean, from now on, because

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Speaker 16: of the nature of the budget, we'll be able to

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Speaker 16: access the examination of estimates both in the House and

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Speaker 16: in select committees. We can use official Information request to

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Speaker 16: get material where there's some obstinacy. We can definitely use

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Speaker 16: members of Parliament to lodge written questions where we can't

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Speaker 16: uncover material. So we're not you know, we're we're feeling

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Speaker 16: very confident. We also expect that both from the public

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Speaker 16: and private sector, material will fall off the back of

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Speaker 16: a truck, so I don't think that will lack for.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sure that have you had the old wink wink,

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00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: nudge nudge from people.

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Speaker 16: The The site went live this morning and it's already

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Speaker 16: being the set with emails and office of donations. Well,

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Speaker 16: I don't know, that's one of the wonderful things. You see.

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Speaker 16: I don't have to, I don't monitor that. I don't

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Speaker 16: see that. So but but I've been told that there's

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Speaker 16: a flood coming in and people who know me and

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Speaker 16: who who have my email addresses and things there also,

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Speaker 16: you know, coming in quite solidly. And one of the

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Speaker 16: things I noticed before you know this was even announced

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Speaker 16: was and following media commentary, I was amazed at how

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Speaker 16: many men were really upset about this. And I just

1130
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Speaker 16: got on the planes from Wellington to Auckland and it

1131
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Speaker 16: was men who were tut grabbing me and saying well done.

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Speaker 16: I'm very excited with what you've done. And I think

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Speaker 16: that the public feel like they need a space for

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Speaker 16: this information to be made available. So that's what we're

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Speaker 16: trying to do.

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Speaker 3: Marilyn, thank you as always, lovely to talk to you,

1137
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Speaker 3: Dave Marilyn Wearing, former National Party MP.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you

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Speaker 1: all one of a kid.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle with me. We have Trisharson Sharson, Willis

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Speaker 3: pre and Joe Spaghani child fan CEO. Hello you too. Hello,

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Speaker 3: Hello Trisha. Now what do you make of the police

1143
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: not in this gating shoplifting below five hundred bucks.

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Speaker 23: I think it sends the wrong message to everyone. I

1145
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 23: think it undermines community, the sort of community trust I

1146
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 23: think it leads into. Already there are concerns around sort

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00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 23: of part time or partial policing. There are some small

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Speaker 23: towns around New Zealand where police come in for certain

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Speaker 23: hours of the day from regional regional hubs. I think

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Speaker 23: the other point about it, though, is it's not about

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Speaker 23: the material theft of stuff from shops. The bigger problem

1152
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 23: here is the safety of frontline people. Think about all

1153
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Speaker 23: the young teenage kids who work in supermarkets, young kids

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Speaker 23: who go to work in a dairy. The dairy owners

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Speaker 23: themselves are the young kids who are on the fore

1156
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Speaker 23: court of the petrol station. This is an issue about safety.

1157
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Speaker 23: And I heard you talking earlier about the facial recognition

1158
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 23: technology that'super much have been trialing. Again, remembering that that

1159
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 23: is a technology that is about the safety of the

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Speaker 23: grosses and their teams in those stores, because what it's

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00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 23: targeting is the nutso repeat offenders who have probably already

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Speaker 23: been trespassed, and they're going to come back in and

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Speaker 23: be abusive and potentially violent to stuff. So I just

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Speaker 23: think this sends the wrong signal at the wrong time.

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Speaker 3: What can you do, though, Josie, I mean, if you

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Speaker 3: haven't got enough cops, you haven't got enough cops.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, But the problem is, I mean, you're absolutely right, Trish.

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Speaker 24: It's the broken windows approach, right that if you leave

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Speaker 24: these smaller crimes, so called smaller crimes, and don't attend

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Speaker 24: to them, then you're basically sending a message you're going

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Speaker 24: to get away with it. And I had I mean

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Speaker 24: a couple of years ago, it's not that long ago.

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Speaker 24: My son at university had his motorbike stolen at midnight. Now,

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Speaker 24: most students, as you know, are up at midnight, and

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Speaker 24: so his mates were filming this as this vand turns

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00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 24: the guys are quite comfortable, didn't have masks on. They

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Speaker 24: film these guys stealing his motorbike, getting the motorbike slowly

1178
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Speaker 24: into the van, securing it, took a picture of the

1179
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Speaker 24: number plate and nothing was done about it. So you know,

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00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 24: you're right, the cops are going right well, up which

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00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 24: crime am I going to attend to? Am I going

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Speaker 24: to attend to that I stolen? Or am I to

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Speaker 24: go to domestic lence?

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Speaker 5: Issue?

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Speaker 24: Out in somewhere wherever. So yes, I can't get there,

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Speaker 24: but I think, what when you interview with the cop

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Speaker 24: and I.

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Speaker 3: Heard, okay, hold on, I tell you what, Josie, We'll

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Speaker 3: call you back because your line is dodgy, as can

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Speaker 3: you guys call it back, Trish, what do you do though?

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Speaker 3: If we don't have enough cops. We don't have enough cops,

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Speaker 3: So what do we do?

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Speaker 23: In my view, this is one of the areas, like health,

1194
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 23: like education, that has to be absolutely prioritized by politicians

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Speaker 23: because this is part of the This is.

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Speaker 3: What we pay our taxes. This is exactly what we

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Speaker 3: pay our texts for. Actually, the first thing of this

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Speaker 3: lablishment of a state, right where you all collectively come

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Speaker 3: together and you go, we're going to put our texts together.

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Speaker 3: It's the first thing you can put your text together

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Speaker 3: is safety.

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Speaker 23: And this is part of the social contract that any

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Speaker 23: government has with the people. And we can get distracted

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Speaker 23: with a whole lot of other stuff that happens in

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Speaker 23: the inanity of politics today, but this, to me is

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Speaker 23: absolutely critical.

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Speaker 3: We need Joss. Sorry we lost you there, but you

1208
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Speaker 3: were saying that you were listening to the top.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I was, And I think what he was trying

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Speaker 24: to say was something quite different, which is that most

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Speaker 24: shoplifters offend about fifty times before they get caught, So

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Speaker 24: it doesn't make sense to kind of go after someone

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00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 24: who's stolen something for forty bucks or something. They're probably

1214
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 24: repeat offenders anyway. So they're focusing on the repeat offenders

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Speaker 24: rather than on the kids nicking lollies. But the problem

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Speaker 24: is that they're not being very clear about that. They're

1217
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Speaker 24: also not confronting the fact that two things. One is

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Speaker 24: privacy laws. If we're going to have face recognition storage

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Speaker 24: of that footage, then privacy laws have to catch up

1220
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 24: pretty quick with that. And the second thing is small

1221
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 24: businesses and small towns are really going to struggle with

1222
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Speaker 24: this because you're effectively saying you've got to privatize your

1223
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 24: own security, get your security guards.

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00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: So, Josie, here's how the problem with it. If you

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00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: let the forty buck one go, then the forty buck

1226
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 3: one becomes an eighty buck one next time, one hundred

1227
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: and twenty, and so you need to like, that's your

1228
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: broken it's your very own broken windows thing that you

1229
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 3: were talking about before. You need to catch those kids

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Speaker 3: at the start of it. So they don't become the recidivists.

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Speaker 24: I agree, and I think what they were trying to

1232
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 24: do was trying to you know, square that circle and go, oh,

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Speaker 24: we're going after the repeat offenders, not the little feeling lollies.

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Speaker 24: But it's come out all wrong. So they need to

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Speaker 24: sort out their messaging.

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Speaker 23: Christal Well and the other risk is that it appears

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00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 23: to people who do want to thieve and damage that

1238
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 23: below this value, these crimes are being decriminalized effectively.

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Speaker 3: Like don't offended. Now if every time you go to

1240
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 3: the gas station they go, you're going to have to

1241
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: pay before you fill up, because this because I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, the alternative as everybody drives away with this

1243
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: stuff on one hundred and fifty. Right, we'll take a break,

1244
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Speaker 3: come back shortly quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

1246
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: results with unparallel Reach'll right.

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Speaker 3: Your back of the huddle. Jose beginni intertious and so

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Speaker 3: Josie thoughts on what Nicola wore on budget day.

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Speaker 24: Oh my goodness, this honestly, this is so ridiculous. She's

1250
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 24: absolutely right to say, you know, I've got more serious

1251
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 24: things to think about now rather than what you think

1252
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 24: about my dress. And I do think there's a bit

1253
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Speaker 24: of cultural cringe there, the idea that a female politician

1254
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 24: and a female politician and the men don't get the

1255
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 24: same pressure has to wear this New Zealand designer dress. Whatever. Whatever.

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Speaker 24: We're not the only country that makes nice clothes. For

1257
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 24: God's sake, She's entitled to wear whatever she wants. If

1258
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Speaker 24: she wants to buy dress from the warehouse, let her

1259
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Speaker 24: go for it. And I think coming the week after

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Speaker 24: it was okay to call Tory MP's national female MP's

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Speaker 24: the sea word, and then suddenly having a go what

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Speaker 24: she's wearing, it's really unseemly and it feels really sexist.

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Speaker 24: It feels nasty. So yeah, I mean, if she'd worn

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Speaker 24: a dress that was worth maybe twenty thousand dollars, maybe

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Speaker 24: you'd look at that as she's cutting Kiwi souper and

1266
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 24: Kiwi favor and pay equity and you'd think that's a

1267
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Speaker 24: bit off. But that would be a money issue, not

1268
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 24: a design or a clothes issue. So and I actually

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Speaker 24: I thought she looked amazing.

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Speaker 2: I thought she were.

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Speaker 3: Great as well. It was a very fetching shade of blue. Okay, here,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you my theory, trash. This is

1273
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: not a sexism thing, because everybody your day. We actually

1274
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 3: talked to the boys like ad nauseum about their ties, right,

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Speaker 3: So it's not sexist. I think what it is is

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Speaker 3: it is deeply unfair to women on the right who

1277
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Speaker 3: seem to cop a lot of on a lot of

1278
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 3: a lot of hatred from the media because just Cinda,

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Speaker 3: we talked about her outfits, but it was always glowing.

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Speaker 3: So as look she's wearing some jho, she's you know,

1281
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Speaker 3: look at her beautiful pregnancy dump.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, well just before Trish comes in, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 24: One thing I've noticed is that ever since Nicola Willis

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01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 24: became an people have discussed in a disparaging way what

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Speaker 24: she looks like, whether it's her hair or makeup or

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Speaker 24: a dress or whatever. So I think you're right there.

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Speaker 23: Can I say something? But can I say something about

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 23: the woman on the center?

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Speaker 20: Right?

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Speaker 23: There's that great saying about dress for the job you want.

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Speaker 23: And what I love about a lot of the women

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Speaker 23: that I see out and about doing these big jobs

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Speaker 23: is that they turn up with the hair done, their

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Speaker 23: makeup on, lipstick done, and a nice outfit you're describing yourself. No, no,

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Speaker 23: And I'm saying, actually, as someone who you know has

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Speaker 23: to watch politics, I think there is a standard that

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Speaker 23: needs to be upheld. Look at Winston Peters all these years,

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Speaker 23: he's always turned up looking immaculate because it's really important.

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Speaker 23: And on the flip side, I know last week he said,

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Speaker 23: you know that standards in Parliament had fallen. So I

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Speaker 23: thought Nicola did a fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Job with that outfit on last on budget Day.

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Speaker 23: And the other thing I did was on the weekend

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Speaker 23: I went and had a look at the fold where

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Speaker 23: apparently that dress had come from. And what I loved

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Speaker 23: about that site it's obviously a site for practical corporate

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Speaker 23: woman who want to look good and value a hard

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Speaker 23: working polyester crape that if you have an accident on

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Speaker 23: the road, you can actually rinse it out in the

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Speaker 23: bathroom and dry it over the radiator and you'll.

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Speaker 3: Still look a million bucks in crape.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: No, absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 24: Two very quick anecdotes to that. I once set up

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Speaker 24: a group with Sandra Lee of the former Man and

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Speaker 24: was a hockey politician who I worked for. We set

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Speaker 24: up a group called Socialists can wear lipstick too, and

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Speaker 24: it kind of mutated into socialists can go skiing as

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Speaker 24: well as things like that. So yes, woman on the

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Speaker 24: center left as well, Trish can dress well, put up,

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Speaker 24: they make up their walk paint and wear a nice

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Speaker 24: dress and high heels. And the other anecdotes I've got

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Speaker 24: is about Winston Peters, who once told me that he

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Speaker 24: wears a pin striped foit wherever he goes, even if

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Speaker 24: he's arriving in a hot Pacific country, because he gets

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Speaker 24: off a plane to greet a prime minister of a

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Speaker 24: small Pacific country, he shows them the same respect that

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Speaker 24: he would the president of the United States of America.

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Speaker 24: So I thought that was an interesting anecdote about his

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Speaker 24: clothing choice.

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Speaker 23: That's fair too, it was well And I actually remember

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Speaker 23: a certain minister in the previous government seeing her do

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Speaker 23: a stand up at a senior ministerial meeting in Paris

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Speaker 23: wearing a pair of Chuck Taylor's that were undne and

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Speaker 23: I thought, this is absolutely unacceptable on the domestic political stage,

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Speaker 23: and particularly on the on the international stage. You need

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Speaker 23: to actually be dressing like.

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Speaker 3: A grown up. Was she wearing track pants as well.

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Speaker 23: A sort of nondescript pair of.

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Speaker 3: Comfort comfort pants. I would describe them ass, she says,

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Speaker 3: pulling her jacket around her in a.

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Speaker 23: Peak at a good one hundred percent wool crape. I

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Speaker 23: will add this jacket.

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Speaker 24: Talked about clothes and not pay equity.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, we're just modeling from senior columnists who

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Speaker 3: apparently you can talk about everything as long as you

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Speaker 3: don't talk about pay equity. Thank you both, I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go put some lipstick on forthwith Joe

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Speaker 3: Spagani and Tris Sherson.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather duper Cy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, two things. Number one, rich of Trish to

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Speaker 3: turn up here and criticize nanaiam A Hoosa's footwear. When

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Speaker 3: her boot broke on the way in so without a

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Speaker 3: word of a lie, so she had to go and

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Speaker 3: ask Yona down in the reception desk if she could

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Speaker 3: please borrow some salo tape. So she taped her boot.

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Speaker 3: She taped the sole of her boot to her boot,

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Speaker 3: and then she also just for added because she's a

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Speaker 3: practical woman, she also just put some elastic bands around

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Speaker 3: the top to make short and absolutely did not budge

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Speaker 3: number two. Did you know that it is a thing

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Speaker 3: right now on the internet to ask chat GPT if

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Speaker 3: you look hot or not. And the reason people are

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Speaker 3: doing this is because chat gpt is quite objective, right,

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Speaker 3: like if you can ask you mom if you look

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Speaker 3: ond on shep oh love. You're always beautiful, maybe a

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Speaker 3: little bit more lipstick, but now you're gorgeous, Like you

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Speaker 3: don't need that kind of a lie in your life.

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Speaker 3: What you wanted to go is, girl, you need to

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Speaker 3: lose twenty cages. That's what I need to hear right now.

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Speaker 3: So I went on chat GPT. I thought we've got

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Speaker 3: to try this out and let's say look. So I

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Speaker 3: uploaded a picture of myself. It was a weird pose,

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Speaker 3: like I definitely went yet Laura's shake nodding her head.

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Speaker 3: I definitely went a little bit too much, SATs, I see.

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Speaker 14: You're already making excuses.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't vot well, not enough, sobriety in my photograph,

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Speaker 3: do I look hot? Chat GPT said, you look confident

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Speaker 3: and stylish. The post outfit and expression will project a strong,

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Speaker 3: self assured vibe. Confidence is a big part of looking on.

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Speaker 3: You've definitely got that going on here, which is a

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Speaker 3: lot sas. That is a lot of sas coming from

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Speaker 3: chat GPT because it's trying to avoid the question. So

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Speaker 3: I was like, how can I improve my look tuck

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Speaker 3: with intention? Your shirt is tucked in neatly, the chat

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Speaker 3: GPT she reckons, I need a French tuck, add a

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Speaker 3: pop of color or texture, because what I've gone for

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Speaker 3: is a strong Courtney Cox early nineties friends vibe like

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Speaker 3: I'm wearing gray on gray on black on black. Right,

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Speaker 3: it's a black boot like and it's also what would

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Speaker 3: you describe that as, Laura, like a fake Doc Martin

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Speaker 3: lumberjack boot, Like I'm going into a boolin nightclub, aren't I?

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Speaker 3: That's what with piersings through everywhere else. Ay, that's what

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Speaker 3: it looks like. So I've definitely got my boy look on,

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Speaker 3: got that on with some dark gray, charcoal pants, charcoal top,

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Speaker 3: black belt. Anyway you want to hear more, you want

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Speaker 3: to hear more of chet GPT sas at me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's coming because she gets sasy. She gets sasy. Nikola

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Speaker 3: will listen to us.

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Speaker 3: Be good evening coming up for the next hour. Ki

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Speaker 3: We Bank's Jared Kerr on why the Reserve Bank needs

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Speaker 3: to double cup this week. Shane Soley on the market

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Speaker 3: reaction to the latest Trump twoff threats, and Gavin gray

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Speaker 3: Is with us out of the UK at seven past

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Speaker 3: six and with us right now is Nikola Willis the

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Speaker 3: Finance Minister, High Nicholer. Good evening here, now, did you

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Speaker 3: see that the police are not investigating one off shoplifts

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Speaker 3: of less than five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 8: I've just been caught up with us. I've been on

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Speaker 8: our fight back from Nelson, where I've been handing over

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Speaker 8: money to the new hospital, and I've just had a

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Speaker 8: very brief brief on much.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is what is happening, and it is

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Speaker 3: it's a bunch of other stuff as well. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: petrol theft of less than hundred and fifty dollars, online

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Speaker 3: scams of less than one thousand dollars. Reality is obviously

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Speaker 3: there are just not enough police to investigate everything. Will

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Speaker 3: you put more money in so they can have more

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Speaker 3: cops so we can get this stuff investigated.

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Speaker 8: Well, we have put more money in here, and last

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Speaker 8: budget we put funding in for hundreds of extra police

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Speaker 8: and this budget we put an four hundreundred and twenty

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Speaker 8: million dollars extra so that the police we have have

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Speaker 8: greater resources with which to fight crime. So we are

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Speaker 8: committed to properly resourcing the police. Ultimately, they will make

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Speaker 8: their own operational decisions about how best to deploy their resources.

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Speaker 8: It's not a good thing for politicians to be dictating

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Speaker 8: where and how they police. But I'm always worried about

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Speaker 8: retail crime, both because I'm sympathetic to small business owners

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Speaker 8: and also because that has been the site of a

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Speaker 8: lot of violent crime in recent years. So it's been

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Speaker 8: good to see violent crime in retail spaces coming down.

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Speaker 8: It's been good to see the police working with retail

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Speaker 8: and z on other ways they can support shopkeepers and

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Speaker 8: the like to prevent this kind of crime. And I'd

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Speaker 8: expect there to continue to be police attention to these issues.

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Speaker 3: So do we just need to accept that this is

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Speaker 3: the reality. I mean, in a small country that's frankly broke.

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Speaker 3: There will be rationing, right, We're ration other stuff, we

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Speaker 3: rational healthcare, we have to ration police resources.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's more that we have to trust

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Speaker 8: that the police will come up with what are the

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Speaker 8: big things that are going to make a fundamental difference,

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Speaker 8: and some of that will be about how they're actually

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Speaker 8: working with shopkeepers on what sorts of prevention tools they

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Speaker 8: can have in place, whether that's cameras or other things

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Speaker 8: that have had some success. We've got to trust that

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Speaker 8: the police will follow up on those repeat offenders, who

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Speaker 8: often are the ones doing multiple times.

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Speaker 3: How do you think this is going to go down

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Speaker 3: with the public, Because basically what you're saying is, listen,

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Speaker 3: if somebody knicks something worth less than five hundred bucks

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Speaker 3: and it's one off, you're just going to have to

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Speaker 3: suck it up, retailer. That's a bit tough to swallow.

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Speaker 8: Well, my message to anyone who thinks they're going to

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Speaker 8: steal something in New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: It's against the law.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to get tell you, well, you could still

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Speaker 8: get caught, and if you are caught, you should be

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Speaker 8: facing the law.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, what about I mean jeez, you realize how

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Speaker 3: weak that sounds. A well stop stricter as a parent

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Speaker 3: than that.

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Speaker 8: Well, this is an operation matter for the police. I

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Speaker 8: don't know the full details of how they've come to

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Speaker 8: their decision making, what their decision making is based on.

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Speaker 8: I do accept that this is something that New Zealanders

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Speaker 8: will be very interested in. I imagine that it's something

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Speaker 8: that the Police Minister will be taking an interest in,

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Speaker 8: and that there'll be more detailed to be communicating about

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Speaker 8: on the coming back.

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Speaker 3: Do you know, because I mean, it seems to me

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Speaker 3: if we're not going to rely on the police for

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Speaker 3: all of the stuff, it is going to be up

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Speaker 3: to retailers to rely on themselves to some extent. Do

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Speaker 3: you know where you guys are at with the citizens

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Speaker 3: arrest law? How far away away from getting that?

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Speaker 8: I think that legislation is progressing, and I would expect

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Speaker 8: that giving Paul Goldsmith is in charge of it, but

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Speaker 8: it'll be in law pretty quickly, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then with the facial recognition technology, I saw that

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Speaker 3: you guys are looking at expanding what people are able

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Speaker 3: to do with that, retailers are able to do with that.

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Speaker 3: Do you know where that's at?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's something again that Paul Goldsmith is working on

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Speaker 8: the balance there is between privacy laws but also giving

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Speaker 8: police all of the tools that they need to fight

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Speaker 8: crime and giving retailers those tools. And when I talk

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Speaker 8: about what are the modern approaches, that's one of them, right,

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Speaker 8: because if it's much easier to identify who did the crime,

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Speaker 8: then it's much easier for the police to do a

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Speaker 8: process well and keep.

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Speaker 3: Them out right, just don't even get that store in

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Speaker 3: the first place. That's right now. Listen, really, I mean,

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Speaker 3: why are you bothering with the superannuation thing because you're

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Speaker 3: just going to get smacked down on this, aren't you

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Speaker 3: buy the public and Winston.

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Speaker 21: I'm not.

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Speaker 8: I've made it really clear that we're not planning any

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Speaker 8: changes to superannuation this term.

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Speaker 3: No, but even if you take it to the election,

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Speaker 3: it's just going to prove incredibly unpopular, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: But we haven't taken anything to the election. I've just

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01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 8: simply made two facts plain. The first is, on the

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Speaker 8: one hand, the cost of superannuation is growing significantly by

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Speaker 8: many billions of dollars in just the next few years.

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Speaker 8: And the other simple fact is that in order to

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Speaker 8: fund that over time New Zealanders will have to face

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Speaker 8: some choices about what we want that to look like.

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Speaker 3: Are you walking away from it because Luxeon said last week,

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Speaker 3: you guys are taking it to the next election.

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Speaker 8: Well, he was very explicit that our position at the

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Speaker 8: last election, which was to gradually increase the age of eligibility,

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Speaker 8: which is quite a different thing from taking it away

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Speaker 8: from anyone. It's simply saying gradually looking at lifting the

1522
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Speaker 8: age of eligibility. That that position at the last election,

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Speaker 8: he continues to think was the right one.

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Speaker 3: He said six.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well there you go. But that is quite different

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Speaker 8: from what you've been talking about on your show, which

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01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,480
Speaker 8: is taking away universal superannuation. And that is the expectation

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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 8: that every taxpayer in New Zealand had.

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01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 8: When they get to sixty five, they get super.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what he said. He said, you guys are

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01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 3: going to the next election twenty twenty six taking it

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Speaker 3: up to sixty seven.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's your wrong, but that would still be a

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01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 8: universal enticement, wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't talk about me, just.

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Speaker 8: Did it, just an older just at an older age.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're not going to do that, are you? Nikola,

1539
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 3: because I'm going to oppose you and everybody's going to

1540
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Speaker 3: impose you.

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Speaker 8: You mean on the age. Yeah, well, actually we'll have

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 8: the conversation as a caucus about what the parameters of

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 8: that will be and how campaign.

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Speaker 3: On it are you got on this.

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 8: No, I'm just being clear with you that what that

1546
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 8: will look like will be different from the last election,

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01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 8: because obviously three years have gone past since then. New Zealand,

1548
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 8: as we've pointed out in the past, is quite an

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Speaker 8: outlier when we compare ourselves to other countries and our

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01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 8: age of eligibility. New Zealanders are working for a lot longer,

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01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 8: they're living for a lot longer. And that super bill

1552
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 8: is going up up, and it is my job to

1553
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 8: be a teller of plain truths, and one of the

1554
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 8: plain truths is that that super bill is going to

1555
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 8: rock it up so high that inevitably a future government

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01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 8: either has a look at the settings, or wax a

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01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 8: lot more taxes on younger workings.

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Speaker 3: Or there's another or, or you can take away all

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01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 3: this middle class welfare that's going on at the moment,

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01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 3: like the third year free education for university, like all

1561
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 3: his best start nonsense that happens working for family, which

1562
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,799
Speaker 3: is a disgrace, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. You can start taking

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 3: welfare away from working age peoples before you start taking

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01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 3: welfare aways from people who are welfare away from people

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01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 3: who are retired.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm proud to stand on the budget that we've

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01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 8: just delivered, where we've done a lot more targeting of

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Speaker 8: the welfare supports that are there with Kiwistava, including with

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Speaker 8: best Start. Well, I've been clear that in our next

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Speaker 8: budget we expect to continue to offer savings that will

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01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,959
Speaker 8: allow us to prioritize investment into the things New Zealanders

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01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 8: really care about. Health services, education services, the police. That's

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 8: going to be an ongoing effort from us. But the

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01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 8: superannuation conversation, it's not a conversation for today. We don't

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01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 8: have a fully formed policy, but I think the Prime

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 8: Minister has been clear that this is an area that

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01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 8: we have some concerns about for the future.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about Saturday? You know what happens

1579
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 3: on Saturday. A Saturday, You know what happens on Saturday.

1580
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 3: Don't pretend you haven't already got this in your diary

1581
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 3: and you're like lord, here we come.

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01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 8: No, no, no, what happens on Saturday here? Seriously, you've

1583
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 8: lost me, truthfully, you've lost me.

1584
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 3: David Seymour becomes the death.

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01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 8: Right Okay, okay, well you can imagine that it's not

1586
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 8: marked with an enormous love heart or anything on my calendar.

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01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 8: Why not when he becomes because I don't from my perspective,

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 8: not much will change here.

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 3: That everything's going to change, Nicoler.

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01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 8: No, I won't. He'll continue to have the same ministerial

1591
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 8: responsibilities he currently does Whenston Peters will continue to be

1592
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 8: the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Rail and Racing. Yes, and look,

1593
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 8: the Deputy prime ministership doesn't come with its own special

1594
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 8: set of responsibilities, except that when the Prime Minister is

1595
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 8: out of the country you have to deal with it

1596
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 8: is the acting PM, and you more every week.

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01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: I know you have to. I want to say to you,

1598
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 3: stop stop pretending. But I know you have to pretend

1599
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 3: because you have to work with the guy. But Winston

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01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 3: is so charming and lovely, and David is David, isn't he.

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 8: Well, look, everyone has their own special kind of charm,

1602
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 8: don't they hear that? And no one's charm is quite

1603
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 8: the same as another person. And I work successfully with

1604
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 8: David Seymore, I work successfully with Winston Peters, and whichever

1605
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 8: one of them is called Deputy Prime Minister from one

1606
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 8: day to the next. To be honest, it won't alter

1607
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 8: the way I work with them in any way, shape

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01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 8: or for.

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01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 3: You are good, Nicola, Thank you. I appreciate it, Nicola

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01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 3: Willis Finance Minister. That's like when your child comes to

1611
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 3: you and is like, bummy, am I your favorite? And

1612
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 3: you go, every one of you has a special place

1613
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 3: in my heart, and then one of them is being

1614
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 3: a little at the moment, and you go the bottom

1615
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,879
Speaker 3: place in my heart at the moment, isn't it? Seventeen

1616
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 3: past six.

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01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1618
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio, empowered by news dog Zebbi.

1619
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: Heather, you're such an insufferable boomer boot licker. Super is

1620
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 3: middle class welfare writ large. Everything else pales you deeply

1621
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 3: unseerious on fiscal responsibility, no one is allowed to touch

1622
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 3: your Marxist universal benefit. And yet exactly right, listen what

1623
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 3: I just want to I've mounted too many argument today

1624
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 3: really to repeat them all over again about this, but

1625
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 3: I will just add a further one to this right.

1626
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 3: It is the shiny bums who think that it can

1627
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 3: go up to sixty seven. It's people who like me

1628
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 3: and Nikola and probably old abusive text over here, who

1629
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 3: sit on our butts all day on our chairs, looking

1630
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 3: at our computers and think that it's absolutely fine to

1631
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 3: keep working for another two years. Tell that to a

1632
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 3: builder at fifty five who's been lugging around gigantic pieces

1633
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 3: of timber since they were about sixteen years old and

1634
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 3: their body is broken. Because I'll tell you what I

1635
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 3: did building for a couple of years, and I am

1636
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 3: still paying for it eight or nine years later, and

1637
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 3: I didn't even do it as a full time job.

1638
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 3: I probably had terrible technique. But that staff does so

1639
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 3: much harm to your body. So you tell that to

1640
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 3: a builder and somebody who works who uses their body

1641
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 3: for a job, they need to stop at sixty five

1642
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 3: six twenty one. Shane Soley Harbor Asset Management is with

1643
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 3: us right now, Hey, Shane, Hey, Now, how have the

1644
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 3: markets reacted to this ongoing nonsense from Donald Trump?

1645
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 6: So on Friday, mister Trump, He's threatened to impose a

1646
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 6: fifty cent tariff on the European Universe from the first

1647
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 6: of June because they are being slow and doing a

1648
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 6: deal with them. And he also said, I'm going to

1649
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 6: slap our twenty five percent, terrifying Apple and any of

1650
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 6: the device makers of the dance start moving to The

1651
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 6: US schar market didn't really like it. The U s

1652
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 6: shehar Mark, with down about point seven percent. US bond

1653
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 6: markets are flat. Not the reaction we've seen back in April,

1654
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 6: when someone like this would have seen markets lose their lunch.

1655
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,520
Speaker 6: So Pep's getting a little bit less less sensitive announcements.

1656
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 6: Over the weekend. Sullivon Delayden, who is President of the

1657
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 6: European Commission, set a phone called mister Trump said, lits

1658
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 6: to a deal. Mister Trump said, let's ex tend things out.

1659
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 6: So look, you know, it's just a reminder again that

1660
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 6: we ad due faces on going uncertainty around tariffs. We've

1661
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 6: got a holiday overnight in the US. What we can

1662
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 6: see is that the market futures. This is people like

1663
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 6: me bidding on tins of what they think is going

1664
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 6: to happen. Have got the US market at one percent,

1665
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 6: so we'll be up. You see our market pretty flat

1666
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 6: and the day we're down slightly. The Sarmakers ten point

1667
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 6: four percent bonds did nothing there. Interesting one is the

1668
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 6: market is going anything US to sell US trades coming back,

1669
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 6: and so the US dollar was the big decliner and

1670
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 6: Serve the New Zealand dollars up to over sixty against

1671
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 6: the US dollar again today, So yeah, there's a bit

1672
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 6: of movement there.

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01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 3: Obviously quite a few companies reporting this week. Who are

1674
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 3: you going to be watching, Shane.

1675
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, look well obviously globally in video is out on Wednesday.

1676
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 6: That will be the bigg well Wednesday, US Thusday News

1677
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 6: Yealand fifteen companies here in New Zealand. Big ones Wednesday,

1678
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 6: Fish and Punk were health care and in Pratil Thursday,

1679
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 6: we've got Main Freight in Rhyme and we've got five

1680
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 6: real estate stocks. So far the results season has been

1681
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 6: pretty good, so hopefully fingers Christ that trend continues over

1682
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 6: the rest of the week.

1683
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 3: What are you expecting from the OCR on Wednesday? I

1684
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 3: mean it's obviously go down. Is it down by twenty five?

1685
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 3: Down by fifty?

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01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 6: Yeah? No, twenty five is what the market has priced

1687
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 6: in it. So from three point five to three point

1688
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 6: two five, it's all about the tone. Is there going

1689
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 6: to be more cuts and win and that might in

1690
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 6: turn be influenced by how much weight's placed on those

1691
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 6: global factors like tariff risk, you know things. The pep's

1692
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 6: gotten less bad. We all it's this thing, you know,

1693
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 6: some New Zealand day to get a bit better. So,

1694
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 6: you know, can I be talk about putting our paison maybe?

1695
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 6: I think go back to what you were talking about

1696
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 6: earlier on. I think the general public would like to

1697
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 6: see a little bit more of a drop. The market's

1698
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 6: only pricing and that the low point and the official

1699
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 6: rate cycle is in the Vember twenty five, a little

1700
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 6: way out. That's two point eighty five percent. So we

1701
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 6: should get to three twenty five this week. It's whether

1702
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 6: how fast and whether we get to twenty five will

1703
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 6: be the key for markets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, thanks very much. I really appreciate it. Shane Soley,

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01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 3: Harbor Asset Management, six twenty three.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

1707
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: of the business hour where the header duper cl and

1708
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: theirs insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 18: News talks that'd be here.

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Speaker 3: The try applying for a job over the age of sixty,

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01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 3: let alone sixty five that's from Alex here.

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01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 2: This is from Andrea.

1713
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: The fact that it's very hard to get a job

1714
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 3: as you get older, highly skilled and experienced workers are

1715
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 3: struggling to get jobs due to ageism and so on.

1716
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 3: And so tell you what, if there's one thing that

1717
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Speaker 3: I take away from what Nikola Will has just told

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Speaker 3: us before, it's that they have realized that that was

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01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: that was not a great thing to say, or or

1720
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: they have realized that they have to go soft on

1721
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 3: that policy because lux and when he was talking about

1722
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 3: it on Friday, he mentioned it at least twice, maybe more,

1723
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 3: but he said it on Kerry Show, and then he

1724
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 3: said it to that post budget lunch that they were

1725
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 3: going to go to the next election with sixty seven

1726
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 3: as their policy. And now Nicholas sort of trying to

1727
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, fudge that a little bit and stuff.

1728
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: And I maybe maybe maybe the benefit of a few

1729
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 3: days of the weekend has given them the opportunity to

1730
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 3: sit down and think about it, think about how tight

1731
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 3: this election is going to be. Probably is going to

1732
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 3: be quite tight, you know, short of a miracle, And

1733
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:42,560
Speaker 3: do you really want to lose a whole bunch of

1734
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 3: voters who are going to head off to labor to

1735
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 3: protect their super rather than vote for you when you

1736
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 3: need them. And so I think I think that may

1737
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 3: be part. I think that, Yeah, I think that may

1738
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 3: be part of what we just saw. Also, by the way,

1739
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,560
Speaker 3: oh jeez, I'll tell you what you know. This is

1740
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 3: the end of an era for Nikola Saturday, when old

1741
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 3: Winnie p is no longer the Deputy Prime Minister and

1742
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 3: in comes David. Because say what you like about Winnie,

1743
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 3: but Winnie's a charming man. He can campaign, he campaigns hard,

1744
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 3: but once he's in there, he's all statesmanlike and you know,

1745
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 3: working together and trying to find a solution and stuff

1746
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 3: like that. David, on the other hand, David has made

1747
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 3: it a hobby of his in the last eighteen months

1748
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 3: to call out the Prime Minister as often as possible.

1749
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 3: So it's going to be very interesting to watch how

1750
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 3: he does the old deputy prime ministership with them. Anyway, Ki,

1751
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: we thanks Jerry Kurz with us next on why he

1752
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 3: thinks the Reserve Bank on Wednesday should do a double

1753
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 3: cut news Talk Zibbi.

1754
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

1755
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplessy

1756
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: Ellen with the business hour and mass insurance and investments,

1757
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your future Newstalks v.

1758
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 3: Gavin gray Is with us out of the UK shortly.

1759
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 3: Keep an eye on this one. The greyhound racing industry

1760
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 3: is trying to overturn that ban on greyhound racing. The

1761
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 3: industry is applying for a judicial review. They reckon the

1762
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 3: government failed to inform, fail to prepare and fail to

1763
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 3: consult on the ban. They got twenty months to wind

1764
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 3: down from last November, so they've got a fair way

1765
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 3: to go yet. But anyway, nobody's making any comic because

1766
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 3: the matter is before the court. Keep an eye on

1767
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 3: that's twenty four away from seven now. Kiwibanks says if

1768
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 3: it was up to them, the ocr would be going

1769
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: down all the way to three percent on Wednesday. The

1770
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 3: cash rates currently at three and a half percent. The

1771
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank is widely expected to cut it. Jarika is

1772
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 3: Kiwibank's chief economist, Hi Jared Good evening, what do you

1773
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 3: expect in just twenty five basis points on Wednesday?

1774
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 20: I'll delivered twenty five, but they should lower the rack

1775
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 20: and they are willing to cut below three percent. Does

1776
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 20: the economy needs stimulus, not restraint.

1777
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 3: Why is there so much uncertainty about where this track

1778
01:23:54,400 --> 01:24:01,759
Speaker 3: is going. I'll I'll tell you what, Jared turning around.

1779
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 3: Your line's really dodgy, So if you hang up, we'll

1780
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 3: give you a call back in the meantime. So we're

1781
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 3: just hang on while the producers get him off on

1782
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 3: the line quickly. I need to tell you this. I

1783
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember, but last year on the show,

1784
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 3: I had a fight with Tim Brown, the Wellington City

1785
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 3: councilor I can't remember exactly what we were talking about,

1786
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 3: probably something to do with Tory Faner. But he was

1787
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 3: making the point that actually they were doing a fantastic

1788
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 3: jobs as Wellington City Council, and I pointed out to

1789
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 3: him that they weren't because they weren't spending enough on

1790
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: their pipes. Was His argument was, I was spending so

1791
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 3: much money. It's a record amount of money on their pipes,

1792
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 3: and I said, no, it's actually even though it's a

1793
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 3: record amount of money, it's still a really small amount

1794
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 3: of money. He wouldn't listen to me on that. I've

1795
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 3: just got the figures to back me up, so I'm

1796
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 3: going to read them to you. Very shortly. Jared, are

1797
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 3: you back with us?

1798
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 18: Yes, I am apologies to that.

1799
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 3: No, that's absolutely fine. Now you're coming through loud and Claire.

1800
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 3: Why is there so much uncertainty about where the Reserve

1801
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 3: Bank is headed from here on in?

1802
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 20: Well, there's a lot of uncertainty offshore. So the way

1803
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 20: we're looking at it is that these tariffs, no matter

1804
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 20: how much they get dialed back and and turned back

1805
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 20: towards ten percent, still a tariff across the world, Still

1806
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 20: slower growth. We think that's a negative, and we also

1807
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 20: think it puts deflationary pressure on the economy. So yeah,

1808
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,839
Speaker 20: we don't agree with the risks of upside inflation.

1809
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 3: What does the budget do? Do you think for the

1810
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank? Does it give it latitude to cut deeper?

1811
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 20: Yeah, it does. You have a government that is doing

1812
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 20: a little bit with the invest boost, which is great,

1813
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 20: but that won't that won't change the dial too much.

1814
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 20: They are not pumping a lot of money into the

1815
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 20: economy at all, and they've got quite a lot of

1816
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 20: restraint later on. So it actually falls into much of

1817
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 20: policy to do something to get this economy going.

1818
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 3: Okay, so when do you think you reckon it needs

1819
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 3: to bottom out about two and a half percent.

1820
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 7: Is that run?

1821
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when.

1822
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 20: The early is possible by the middle of this year,

1823
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 20: we have a theoretical number bar four neutral, which is

1824
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 20: a rate that doesn't hurt, doesn't stimulate, and that's about three.

1825
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 20: So sitting at three and a half now, we're actually

1826
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 20: still in territory where interstrates our restraining growth even though

1827
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 20: we've been through a recession. So we're saying, actually get

1828
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 20: it into stimatory territory and you know, let's kick start

1829
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 20: the economy into next year.

1830
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Speaker 3: Jared, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you, mate.

1831
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 3: That's Jared Kirk here, we Bank's chief economist.

1832
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 5: Ever do for.

1833
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:26,759
Speaker 3: I've got these figures and I want you to remember

1834
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 3: this because Wellington City Council they will continuously use their

1835
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 3: spend on water pipes as an example of them actually

1836
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 3: being responsible with their money, and it is quite the opposite.

1837
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 3: It is quite the opposite. These guys are profligate with

1838
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 3: their money. They haven't spent enough on pipes and it

1839
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 3: is the one thing that they should be absolutely strung

1840
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 3: up for. Here we go up to April thirty this year,

1841
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 3: poor to not known as the most wealthy part of Wellington.

1842
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 3: If you catch my drift. Poor it to is spent

1843
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 3: forty three million dollars on pipe replacements per capita. That's

1844
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 3: six hundred and eighty six dollars. Hot City spent per

1845
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 3: capita three hundred and ninety one. Upper Huts spent per

1846
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 3: capita two hundred and seventy five. Wellington City spent per

1847
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 3: capita one hundred and seventy nine dollars per person. One

1848
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 3: let's round it up. Let's be generous to them. One

1849
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty dollars per person versus portadoers six hundred

1850
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 3: and eighty dollars per person is like a quarter almost,

1851
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 3: It's a round about a quarter of what port Do

1852
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 3: is spending. Port To we replaced. Oh no, wait, wait

1853
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 3: wait wait we get today upper huts. So Hot City replaced.

1854
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 3: In terms of how many pipes, how the length of

1855
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 3: pipes nine point three k's of pipes right, Upper Hut

1856
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 3: did one point seven k's of pipes. Wellington replaced six

1857
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 3: hundred and forty meters of pipes six hundred and forty

1858
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 3: meters versus Hot City at nine point three k's. Portad

1859
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 3: did about round about the same amount. Six hundred and

1860
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 3: forty meters. They have less than a third of the

1861
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 3: population of Wellington City. So it just goes to show

1862
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 3: Wellington City is underperforming big time on pipes. And if

1863
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 3: they ever go to you, I'll know where it's a

1864
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 3: record amount. Well, what does that tell you about how

1865
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 3: much they were spending beforehand? If this is some sort

1866
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 3: of thing that they're growing about at the moment. Gavin

1867
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 3: Gray's next nineteen Away from seven.

1868
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

1869
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Hellen and Mass

1870
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future, use.

1871
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 6: Dogs, end me.

1872
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, quick shout out to Turner's Automotive.

1873
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 3: These guys, you know, turn is my favorite company at

1874
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 3: the moment, based solely on a good ad. That's how

1875
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 3: easy it is. They have just returned another record profits.

1876
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 3: A profit is up seventeen percent, Dividends are up almost

1877
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 3: three hundred percent. In just the last ten years, they

1878
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 3: were paying twenty fifteen they're paying ten cents. Now they're

1879
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 3: paying twenty nine cents. And this is impressive given what

1880
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 3: has gone on with the economic recession we're in. And

1881
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: can I just say in no small part because of

1882
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 3: the ads. Right, you want to do well as a business,

1883
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 3: just get yourself some good heads and maybe a good

1884
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 3: business strategy as well. Sixteen away from seven and Gavin

1885
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 3: Gray are UK correspondents with US. Hello, Gevin, Hi there.

1886
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 3: So all it took was a very good phone call

1887
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump.

1888
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, so it would appear so overnight news here coming

1889
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 10: in that the EU is going to be given more

1890
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 10: time with the US to try and come to some

1891
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 10: trade deal. And that's been after some pretty sparky exchanges

1892
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 10: between the pair. Just looking back at the history of

1893
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 10: all this, of course, Donald Trumper announced last month of

1894
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 10: twenty percent tariff on most EU goods. It was later

1895
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 10: half to ten percent, allowing time for more negotiations. That

1896
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 10: ten percent was going to run until the eighth of July.

1897
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 10: Then on Friday he said, I'm really really frustrated with

1898
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 10: the negotiations. He says, the EU is just playing along,

1899
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 10: and so he said, right, we're going to slap fifty

1900
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 10: percent tariffs on are by the first of June. However,

1901
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 10: over the weekend it would appear, as you said, good

1902
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 10: phone call between the European Commissioner Ursula vonderlyon and Donald Trump,

1903
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 10: in which they now have put things on ice, and

1904
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 10: it looks like that they are going to continue discussing

1905
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 10: things with a new deadline of the ninth of July.

1906
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 10: Donald Trump long criticizing what he says is an unfair

1907
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 10: trade relationship with the EU. In other words, the US

1908
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 10: imports more from the EU than the other way round.

1909
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 10: But at the moment, at least more time for consultation,

1910
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 10: which will be a huge sigh of relief for some

1911
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 10: countries across Europe.

1912
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 3: What are we expecting to be out of the Supreme

1913
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 3: Court today?

1914
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 10: Very interesting judgment coming up here. There's a lot of

1915
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 10: detail in this and I'll try and keep it simple,

1916
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 10: but basically, two former city finance traders were jailed in

1917
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 10: this country for rigging the interest rates, in other words,

1918
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 10: fixing them artificially to create a bigger fees. However, there

1919
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 10: have been concerns raised by senior politicians here that they

1920
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 10: may have been series of miscarriages of justice. Now, in all,

1921
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 10: there were nine criminal trials, and if the Supreme Court

1922
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 10: rules that there has been a miscarriage of justice, it

1923
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 10: could lead to a quashing of all the remaining convictions.

1924
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 10: Now Tom Hayes is the name of a former trader

1925
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 10: at the Swiss Bank UBS. He became the first banker

1926
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 10: to be jailed for rigging interest rates back in twenty fifteen.

1927
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 10: He was accused as well in the United States of

1928
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 10: being a ring master of an international fraud conspiracy and

1929
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 10: sentenced to fourteen excuse me, sentenced to fourteen years in jail.

1930
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 18: He was not alone.

1931
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Speaker 10: But since then there have been all sorts of talks

1932
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Speaker 10: about actually they were encouraged by the governments of their

1933
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Speaker 10: own countries to do this, and actually what they did

1934
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 10: wasn't illegal. It was just a bit naughty sort of thing.

1935
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Speaker 10: So that's what the Supreme Court is looking at today.

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Speaker 10: But as I said, far reaching consequences for the other

1937
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Speaker 10: court cases that involved this so called rigging scandal.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, what do you make of this renationalization of south

1939
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Speaker 3: Western Railway?

1940
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Speaker 10: Yeah, fascinated this. So the railways here were always, of

1941
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 10: course in the government hands until under Margaret Thatcher's government

1942
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Speaker 10: it was decided that they were going to be privatized,

1943
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 10: but not all the train services were privatized to one company.

1944
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:20,919
Speaker 10: In fact, it was split to about a dozen different companies.

1945
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 10: So if you were going on a long journey, you

1946
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 10: may well be buying a ticket, but in fact that

1947
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 10: money would be split between the different train companies operating

1948
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Speaker 10: the different routes. It's never been perfect by any means,

1949
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 10: but a lot of people believe it was a lot

1950
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Speaker 10: better than under the days of the old British rail

1951
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 10: were the new government Labor government always said when these

1952
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 10: contracts come up for renewal, we will renationalize, and the

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Speaker 10: first contract for south Western Railway, which operates services out

1954
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 10: of London to the southwest of England, has now expired

1955
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 10: and has now become renationalized. It's very interesting the first

1956
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Speaker 10: of many contracts coming up in the next year or so,

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Speaker 10: and interesting that the Transport Minister wouldn't say what it

1958
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 10: would mean for ticket prices, but did say it would

1959
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:13,759
Speaker 10: mean more money invested in the railway infrastructure. Either way, Labor,

1960
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 10: the party that's come up with this, I think, is

1961
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 10: going to have to show people that it is better

1962
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 10: under nationalization. But plenty of people with a long memory

1963
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 10: Heather will think back to those days in the seventies

1964
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 10: early eighties. I think it was when frankly British rail

1965
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 10: well it seemed to be not working more the days

1966
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 10: than it was working. However, one sad reminder the very

1967
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 10: first service, the early morning service that started well, there

1968
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 10: was a bit of a train, but then you had

1969
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 10: to get on a bus because they were doing work.

1970
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Speaker 2: On the lagh.

1971
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 3: How annoying. Hey, thank you very much, Kevin appreciated. Kevin Gray,

1972
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Speaker 3: how UK correspondent. Listen when we were talking about the badget,

1973
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 3: I said to you my favorite thing out of the

1974
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 3: budget was the two hundred million dollars that had been

1975
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,679
Speaker 3: set aside potentially to invest for the Crown to invest

1976
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 3: in some gas exploration with a private company take a

1977
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 3: steak in it. It seems like this has maybe been

1978
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 3: met with a reasonable, like a low level but reasonable

1979
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 3: amount of I don't want to say enthusiasm. It's just

1980
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 3: been well received. Let's just say it's been well like.

1981
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 3: It hasn't been poo pooed, It hasn't been run out

1982
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 3: of town as an idea, it hasn't been dumped on

1983
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 3: from a huge height. It's just been quietly well received.

1984
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 3: Apparently the exploration. The fields most likely to benefit from

1985
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 3: this should the government take a stake are Marwi East,

1986
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 3: which is owing the controlled which is off the coast

1987
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,719
Speaker 3: of Tartanuki, the Karewa Block which is run by Todd

1988
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,839
Speaker 3: Energy off the coast of Khafia, and then the toto

1989
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 3: Y Prospect off the coast of Amaru, where OMV holds

1990
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 3: a seventy percent shareholding Todd Energy, which as I said,

1991
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 3: has got the Karrea Were block. Said the announcement removed

1992
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 3: some sovereign risk. Now that is important because it's I

1993
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 3: mean that is so dry like removed some sovereign risk.

1994
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 3: Who cares? But that basically is the reason that nobody

1995
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 3: is going in for gas. So it removes some sovereign risk,

1996
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 3: not all, some at least were stepped in the right direction.

1997
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 3: Here's hoping we actually get some digging in the ground.

1998
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 3: Ten away from seven, it's the.

1999
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: Heather too for see allan Drive Full Show podcast on

2000
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zby.

2001
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 3: Seven away from seven. I don't know if you've been

2002
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 3: following this has been an alleged rift between Meghan Markle

2003
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 3: and the former British Vogue editor Edward Enninfhil. But there's

2004
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 3: even more to it than we already knew. They fell

2005
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 3: out apparently because apparently what happened is that UK Vogue

2006
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 3: wanted to do a story with Meghan, which is bold

2007
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 3: in September twenty twenty two, by the way, which is

2008
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 3: wasn't that after that she had already left. I'd already

2009
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 3: left by then. So that's a bold thing to do,

2010
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 3: because you're just going to wind up the British public,

2011
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 3: as the British public hate Harry and Meghan now. Anyway,

2012
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 3: so the editor wanted her on the cover of Vogue.

2013
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 3: She wanted to be in it. But then not only

2014
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 3: did she want that cover, she also wanted to have

2015
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 3: a global cover, which means that she wanted to be

2016
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 3: on the front cover of UK and US Vogue at

2017
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 3: exactly the same time. And she wanted control over the photographer,

2018
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 3: and she want to control over the writer, and she

2019
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 3: want to control over the final edit, and she want

2020
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 3: to control over the photos, and she want to control

2021
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 3: over the cover lines. And he said no. And then

2022
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 3: she tried to get Anna Winter involved and he said no,

2023
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 3: and then they stopped being friends. And you can see it,

2024
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 3: you can see why. Okay, now to fashion, So I

2025
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 3: said to chat GPT as I was telling you, right,

2026
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 3: I was like, how can I improve this look that

2027
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 3: I am rocking today, which is charcoal gray on charcoal

2028
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 3: gray on black, boot on black belt right, and chat

2029
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 3: GPT came back. The point of this is you can

2030
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 3: go to chat GPT. If you don't have a loved

2031
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,640
Speaker 3: one in your life you can trust to tell you

2032
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 3: what you look like and whether it's looking good. You

2033
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,640
Speaker 3: can go to chat GPT and it'll be objective about it.

2034
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 3: Chat gp T said to me, Look, the boots work well,

2035
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 3: but you could try a healed ankle boot or a

2036
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 3: sleek sneaker for a different flare. All the boots worked well,

2037
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 3: thank you. Your necklace is minimal heather, which is chic.

2038
01:36:57,800 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 3: Layering it with a shorter or longer piece could add

2039
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 3: a little boldness without going overboard hair. Your hair looks

2040
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 3: healthy and voluminous heather. If you're experimenting soft waves or

2041
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 3: a sidepart could shift the vibe. So it's just a

2042
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 3: little bit of like touching up here, and they're like,

2043
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 3: it's just like you're actually doing okay. You're doing okay.

2044
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 3: But then a genuine smile or a smise which is

2045
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 3: smiling with the eyes could subtly change the tone. I was, oh,

2046
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,759
Speaker 3: not enough of a smile. I didn't think we didn't well, actually,

2047
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 3: the producer Laura. She didn't think it was critical enough,

2048
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 3: so she was like, why don't you just ask it

2049
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 3: to be critical? So I said, if you had to

2050
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 3: criticize something, what would it be. And after plenty of prompting,

2051
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: finally much like a husband, lots of prompting to finally

2052
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 3: get there. To hurt your feelings. Your T shirt is

2053
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,799
Speaker 3: a problem. Apparently simple and casual, but it looks slightly

2054
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 3: bulky or stuff, especially around the shoulders and sleeves, and

2055
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:51,719
Speaker 3: does it don't let a look.

2056
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 14: Oh well, like I can comment on this, Heather, I'm

2057
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 14: wearing a green magneto T shirt that like is baggy

2058
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 14: around my belly. I can't possibly tell you whether.

2059
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 3: It te sh it looks good anyway, so it gave

2060
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 3: me a bit of sass.

2061
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 14: I think the point of the the whole point of

2062
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 14: the robot though, right is it's going to be objective,

2063
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 14: but you had to like go through as many layers

2064
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 14: of it trying to be polite as you would with

2065
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 14: a human.

2066
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 4: There really no no, no, no, no no.

2067
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 3: What it is is that I just look cool and

2068
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 3: so it had nothing to criticize as should we try

2069
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 3: you tomorrow? I can't hear you are you talking?

2070
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, the robot is going to find.

2071
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 3: Some My gosh, you didn't even turn I turn my

2072
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 3: microphone on.

2073
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 14: No, no, okay, yep, ch actually you can my technique

2074
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,600
Speaker 14: as well. One Republic. I ain't worried to play us

2075
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 14: out tonight. This is good news. They are coming to

2076
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 14: New Zealand. They will be doing the Sweet It will

2077
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 14: be a stop on their Sweet Escape Tour, just the

2078
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 14: one stop that will be in Auckland, so you will

2079
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 14: have to get up to there for that. It is

2080
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 14: next February twenty twenty six, and Zara Larson will be

2081
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 14: the support actor as a pop singer who's actually quite good.

2082
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 14: So if you go along, you definitely go for the

2083
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 14: earlier act as well.

2084
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 3: One Republic strikes me as kind of like Ed Sheeran,

2085
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 3: but like the band version. You know, they pumped out

2086
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 3: so many songs.

2087
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 14: If it was just d Shearan, but he never did

2088
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 14: any of his sad ones. If it was just like

2089
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 14: all the upbeat ones they used to do sad ones

2090
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 14: back in the day, but all the famous ones since

2091
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 14: then have been a bit more like this.

2092
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 3: Yes, but it's one of those ones where you'd hear

2093
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 3: it and you don't know it, and somebody goes, that's

2094
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 3: one republic.

2095
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: You go.

2096
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 2: Like that.

2097
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 3: Their catalog is bigger than you think, isn't it.

2098
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 14: Yeah, they've had I think they've had like two at

2099
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 14: least two number ones in New zeal It's not just.

2100
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 3: Like just so honestly listen to you turn your mic off.

2101
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 3: We don't need to hear that nonsense anymore. See tomorrow

2102
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 3: used to be.

2103
01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 4: Swimming, I Am worried about.

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01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,960
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