1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Former Gloria Vale leader Howard Temple's going to jail, or 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: maybe he won't. He's been sentenced to twenty six months 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: in prison for sexual offending today. He immediately appeals the 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: sentence and was allowed out on bail. He had indecently 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: assaulted young women and girls over a twenty year period 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: at Gloria Vale, as recently as twenty twenty two. It 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: comes as newly released OAA documents. So just how explicitly 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: the government has been warning alarm bells to its agencies 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: that Gloria Vale is not a safe place for women 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: and girls. Dennis Gates is a lawyer who has previously 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: represented Gloria Vale Levers and is with me this evening. Dennis, 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: good evening. Hi, what do you make of that sentence? 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: First of all, well, I think it's far too late. 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: You mentioned the timeframe of twenty years. This fellow has 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: been one of the founding members of Gloria Vale. He 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: set it up. You helped construct the legal architecture, of 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: the social architecture, of the faith architecture, and we've taken 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: advantage of that for fifty years at the cost of 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: the woman and children in glorib But I think this 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 2: is way too light. 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: He and his lawyers clearly think it's too long. 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I have no doubt they think that's the case. 23 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: You've got to remember, this was a representative admission by 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: how A Temple that he had abused these people, and 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: to my own knowledge, there are a lot a lot 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: more women and children that suffered at his hands. We've 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: discussed it throughout the court cases that I've been involved in. 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: He's eighty five. What's the deal with being released early 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: a few you know on health grounds? What happens there? 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: I think that's done on an individual case. It's not 31 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: something that I'm familiarly. 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: The OAA documents that you have show what exactly. 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: All. They show a pattern and a knowledge within the 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: government agencies of a history and an entrenched culture of 35 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 2: sexual abuse, mental abuse, health abuse. The children are educated 36 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: by abused by not being properly educated. The whole thing 37 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: is rife with abuse. They report that to the ministers, 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: and this is being done over decades. Nothing happens. All 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: the politicians do is posture and pass say they're going 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: to do various things, and at the end of the 41 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: day they do nothing. 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: Is that because it's too hard to do something, and 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: what do you actually do. You know, people say shut 44 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: it down? What are you shut down? Like the school? 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: I can understand the ministry having an involvement in but 46 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: how do you actually shut down a community of people. 47 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of parallels are drawn with domestic violence, 48 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: and what you basically have here is institutionalized domestic island 49 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: on a macro scale. And the government has the power 50 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: the resources to go in and take those children out 51 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: by force if necessary. If the parents want to come 52 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: with them, fine, but they can't just sit back and 53 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: allow these people and children to be abused year after 54 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: years at the cost of the health and sanity of 55 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: those insight. It's ridiculous, it's outrageous. If this was a gang, 56 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: they would have been shut down decades ago. 57 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: Dennis, appreciate your time tonight. Dennis Gates, lawyer, previously represented 58 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: Glory of Our Leavers. 59 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 60 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: news talks. 61 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 62 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.