1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, senior political correspondence with US. Now, how Barry, 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: good afternoon either. Yeah, this has got a lot worse 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: for David MacLeod, like not unexpectedly. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: No, it was the Electoral Commission that filed with the 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: police to have a look at the undeclared donations. And 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: he was by far the wealthiest person standing in an 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: electorate when he got one hundred and seventy eight thousand 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: dollars in twenty twenty two. He claims he when he 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: filled out his form that he thought that you only 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: had to declare the donations from last year, from election year, 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: which to me, I just can't understand how anybody would 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: think that. I mean, the donations were for the election campaign, 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: and you know it's as plain as the nose on 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: your face. Really, He of course has been stripped from 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: both the Environmental and Finance Expenditure select Committees, and that 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: Greenpeace take on this is interesting. Russell Norman. He put 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: out a statement a short while ago. He said that 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: one of McLeod's undeclared donations came from a major shareholder 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: in the Sabard Mining Company TTR that may benefit significantly 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: from the fast Track bill. Now he McLeod is in 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: charge of the fast Track Bill, so you know there's 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: a lot of questions again to be answered by David McLeod. 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: You can't just say, look, I forgot the police will. 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Have to answer the questions with the police wonting. 25 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: Well, he will have to yes, most certainly, I would 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: think be interviewed by the police. 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so do you know whether the Maori Party have 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: now asked written to the Police Commissioner and the Police 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: Minister and the Prime Minister asking the police to investigate. 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: Can the police investigate off the back of that letter? 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: No, the Prime Minister can't direct the police north from 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: the Police Minister. Right, So the Maori Party, for start, 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: they've got that wrong. You don't tell a politician to 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: interfere with what the police would be doing. But the 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: police have had a complete and they can extend the 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: investigation beyond that complaint and look at exactly what's been 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: going on here, and I suspect given the public interest 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: in this, that's exactly what they would do. Now. Essentially, 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: I see Brian Tummockee has been dragged into this and that, 40 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: as you said, it was rather a weird statement put 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: out by John Tammaheady, who's the president of the Maldi Party, 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: and he said that essentially the message to Brian Tummocky 43 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: and Destiny is that you and your cult were bounced 44 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: out of the Mona ray Marai and he he said, 45 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: we'll never allow your cult to take over any m 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: Now here's a helpful idea. Leave politics and concentrate on 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: bothering God and the devil and equal parts and leave 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: Maldy alone. 49 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: Finish the sentence. 50 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: That's what he said, and leave Maldy alone. 51 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: He ends with he goes to your cult members who 52 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: were to pps, right, because that was the pe pps. 53 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: To your cult members who were terminated at manyere women, 54 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: I shame on you. To their fearless money grinder Alan Holts, 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: it's best to keep your power to drive for the 56 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: Employment Tribuneal Comma fool, Yeah, I know. 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so obnoxious and the whole the whole 58 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: statement on John Tommy Hery is rambling. What they're saying though, 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: is look put up the evidence. If you haven't got 60 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: the evidence, you know, keep your trap shut well. Now, 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: now there's several agencies looking into this. They'll be looking 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: at evidence, and I would imagine if any of the 63 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: census forms were copied, you won't see a sight of them. 64 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: They'll be well and truly shredded by now. So I 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: think he feels John Tammerherdy he's on fairly comfortable ground 66 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: by saying show us the evidence. 67 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: Very What did you make of Chris Luxon saying he 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: hadn't had any heads up from the Australians that this 69 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: was going to happen today read the deportations. 70 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible really, because both Chris Luxen and Winston Peters 71 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: had been talking to the Australians about this and the 72 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: indication from alban Easy was that look, they'll be looking 73 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: at this again with fresh eyes, and then suddenly they 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: come out making it easier to deport kiwi's from Australia. 75 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: And it got me thinking about one case that I 76 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: read about, and it was an Australian grandfather who was 77 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: deported last December to New Zealand after decades of criminal offending. 78 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: But he said he had struggled in this country because 79 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: he was a baby in the nineteen sixties in New Zealand. 80 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: His parents were an Australian couple who happened to be 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: staying with somebody. They gave birth to this man who's 82 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: fifty seven, and he was deported to New Zealand. He 83 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: was a bit of a He certainly got up to 84 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: a lot of trouble, there's no doubt about that. But again, 85 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: and I come back to it, where did he learn 86 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: all his bad habits in life? I called responsibility. 87 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: Political suicide for Albert to hold onto them. 88 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's dreadful. We call them our friends and 89 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: our cousins. You wouldn't, you wouldn't. 90 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: You're not going to change their mind if we win them, 91 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: it's not going to change anything. 92 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: Well, we've winged at them and I've got to say 93 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: I do and made some headway that they would look 94 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: at if they had lived there like this grandfather had, 95 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: they would take that into consideration. Now that's not taken 96 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: into consideration. 97 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: At all because political blowback. All right, we'll have a chat. 98 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: You can thank you. We'll rap the political week. That 99 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: was you again. 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