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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News Talk said by Squeaky.

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Speaker 2: Door or Squeaky Floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, the Resident Builder

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Speaker 1: on News Talk Sead Bay.

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Speaker 3: The house sizzor who even when it's.

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Speaker 4: Dark, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard,

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Speaker 4: even when a dog.

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Speaker 5: Is too old to bar, and when you're sitting at

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Speaker 5: the table trying not to stop.

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Speaker 4: Scissor home even when we are bad ball, even when

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Speaker 4: you're therellon house a whole, even when those ghost even

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Speaker 4: when you got around from the wad you love your most.

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Speaker 5: Scream doors, broken paints, feeling from the wood, locals whisper

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Speaker 5: when they're going to leave in the neighbor.

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Speaker 4: The house is in a home even when wilbery and love,

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Speaker 4: even when.

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Speaker 5: You're there, Lowe, it's a.

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Speaker 2: Alrighty, oh well, good morning, Welcome along to the Resident

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Speaker 2: Builder on Sunday. You're here with me, Peter wolf Camp,

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Speaker 2: the Resident Builder, and this is your opportunity to talk

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Speaker 2: all things building and construction. I hope you've had a

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Speaker 2: good week. I hope you've had a great white tonguey weekend,

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Speaker 2: long weekend. And if you chose to sort of make

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Speaker 2: use of that extra day off, perhaps to tackle some

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Speaker 2: tasks around the house. Maybe it was a bit of painting,

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a little bit of maintenance. Maybe it's a

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Speaker 2: part of a longer term project that you might have

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Speaker 2: been working on. Whatever you've been up to, I hope

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Speaker 2: it's been successful for you. I hope it's been productive.

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Speaker 2: And well, I was going to say, stress free. Is

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Speaker 2: it working around the house ever? Stress free?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was chatting with someone yesterday. Oh, we were talking about,

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Speaker 2: you know, having lists of jobs to do around the house.

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Speaker 2: Both of us were talking about this while doing a

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Speaker 2: job somewhere else, so not on our own houses. As

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Speaker 2: don't get paid for either. So we're both chatting away.

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Speaker 2: The irony of it has just fallen on me now

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Speaker 2: that here we are both doing something for somebody else

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Speaker 2: while talking about things that we were supposed to do

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Speaker 2: little bit of work for somebody else yesterday as well. Right,

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind? What would you like to talk

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Speaker 2: about this morning? It might be the rules and regulations,

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Speaker 2: because they're changing pretty much on a weekly basis, including

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Speaker 2: a story that emerged a couple of weeks ago that

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Speaker 2: around the government removing the requirement for warranties basically or

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Speaker 2: some protection from consumers. I'll see if I can think

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Speaker 2: you remember that story from a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: it's had actually Mike Thornton, who was Eagle as a

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Speaker 2: But this was an interesting sort of we're going to

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Speaker 2: at that if you caught if that particular story caught

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that, but you know, I discovered that

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Speaker 2: thing anyway. I also discovered that experts do things well,

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Speaker 2: the face. So anyway, we can talk about that. I

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine to nine two is

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Speaker 2: point thirty this morning, but that's a wee while away.

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Speaker 2: So right now your job is to call eight hundred

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Speaker 2: if we can get something sorted out, whether it's rules, regulations, products,

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Speaker 2: new ideas, new tools that are out there. Speaking about tools,

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Speaker 2: I will mention this a couple of times in not

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Speaker 2: next week, but the following week. There's a tool bizarre happening,

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Speaker 2: second hand tools, and it's happening in my part of town.

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Speaker 2: So again my apologies for those people are not in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: This could be worth the trip, I feel anyway. We'll

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Speaker 2: so if you've got something that's broke, you might be

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Speaker 2: able to take it in. Again, that's an Auckland thing

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Speaker 2: and someone might be able to fix it. So there's

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Speaker 2: a lot's happening. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 2: building nature, give us a call right now. Eight hundred

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Speaker 2: to email me, you are more than welcome. It's Pete

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Speaker 2: at newstalksib dot co dot Nz. So Pete, Pete at

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Speaker 2: newstalksb dot Co dot Nz fifteen minutes after six, now's

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Speaker 2: a good time to call eight hundred eighty ten.

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Speaker 1: Eighty for helping you get those DIY projects done. Right

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Speaker 1: the resident fielder with Peter WOLFCAF call eight hundred eight

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Speaker 2: Indeed the lines are open. The number to call eight

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Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty text that just came in a

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Speaker 2: moment ago morning. Pete, can you tell us how the

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Speaker 2: site coverage works on the new Granny flat rule? Look,

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Speaker 2: I I well, I can tell you that there will

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Speaker 2: be rules. What the rules are in your town and

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Speaker 2: So in general terms, for a long time, For example,

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Speaker 2: two meters away from your boundaries that would allow you

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Speaker 2: just in terms of distance from boundary and distance from

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Speaker 2: reason that your project gets basically declined when you go

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Speaker 2: reject your application based on local town planning rules. So

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Speaker 2: it's not carte blanche to do whatever you want in

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Speaker 2: Hope that helps. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: and a very good morning to you, Shane.

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Speaker 6: Yes it's the Winding Peak. Yes, fine morning. Indeed, Yes,

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Speaker 6: we've got some renovations going on in the kitchen and

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Speaker 6: there's some tongue ingrooved panels and there's absolutely no lining combats,

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Speaker 6: you know, there's no insulation in that behind the walls.

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Speaker 2: I see, so, as it happens, you're in the perfect

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Speaker 2: But by doing so, technically you're doing non compliant building

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Speaker 2: consent for that work. I've got issues with that in

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Speaker 2: the sense that while I completely understand why there is

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Speaker 2: still a requirement to get a building consent for this work,

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Speaker 2: because if you do it incorrectly, you can inadvertently be

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Speaker 2: There's pretty good guidance now on straightforward approaches to going

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Speaker 2: Here's some guidance, here's some methodologies for it. Go ahead

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Speaker 2: and do it. If you're engaging with a licensed building practitioner,

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Speaker 2: they should be able to do that work to the

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Speaker 2: building code without necessarily having to go and go and

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Speaker 2: get a consent. But the rules are what they are

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Speaker 2: So that's where we're at. If you wanted to add

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Speaker 2: of cover your bases, I guess you could go to

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Speaker 2: I apply for an exemption from a building consent and

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Speaker 2: just have that diarized right somewhere so the counsel are

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Speaker 2: issue later on, at which time, if you construct the

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Speaker 2: so when you pull that lining off, what do you see.

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Speaker 2: There's there's some timber stud work and then what you're

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Speaker 2: cladding on the exterior, it's weather board batherboards. Is there

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Speaker 2: any building paper between the studs and the weatherboards?

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Speaker 2: And again that's fairly typical, right, Like we're talking tens

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Speaker 2: of thousands of houses which are exactly like that, and

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Speaker 2: yours is one of them. So my typical methodology. And

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Speaker 2: you've opened up all of those spaces. Take some building

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Speaker 2: Pop your lining in. I'd maybe get the builder to

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Speaker 6: And then how long would it take for propellents a

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Speaker 2: To process something like that? I I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know who's to say that some bushy tailed, young

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Speaker 2: Every council should have a help desk. I'd be on

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Speaker 2: As my understanding, have a chat, go this is what

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Speaker 2: I intend to do. You know, is there a straightforward

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Speaker 2: and then in order to grant that dispensation. They might say, well, look,

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Speaker 2: what's your methodology. Well, actually, here's the brand's guide for

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Speaker 2: retrofitting insulation into an existing exterior wall. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: but we're dealing with biocracy.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, it's not as straightforward perhaps as the answer that

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Speaker 6: Oh that's clear now, that gives me a good idea.

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Speaker 6: Take care.

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Speaker 2: Really do think that that retrofitting insulation into existing exterior

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Speaker 2: requiring a consent. But it's not And so those are

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Speaker 2: the rules as they stand right now. Knogging is that

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Speaker 2: In the South Island they referred to as dwangs. Somewhere

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Speaker 10: My question relates to deck. So I go to a

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Speaker 10: Now with my own deck, which is also pine and treated,

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Speaker 10: the karacha water malatha, which is not as harsh as

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, but yep.

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Speaker 10: Anyway, that the mold has come back again, and this

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Speaker 10: time I'm just opting to spray it with spray and

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Speaker 10: don't stay in your deck, is that eventually going to

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Speaker 10: it make the timber susceptible to rotting and need and replacing.

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Speaker 2: See, it's a far more in depth question than of

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Speaker 2: does that slow down the rate of decline or evaporation,

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Speaker 10: Stained decks look really nice and help preserve the timbervement.

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Speaker 10: This is a fearly substantial size. So as you know,

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Speaker 10: once you start, yes, the rest of your life you

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Speaker 2: Look, I think that the decks that I've seen that

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Speaker 2: But that's more for insects and so on, rather than

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Speaker 2: The decking timber has yeah, lots of talk about the

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Speaker 10: It could be just a coincidence that the two decks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I pulled up a deck. I built

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Speaker 2: the old decking off, cleaned up the tops of it,

432
00:25:59,855 --> 00:26:04,255
Speaker 2: applied a bit of protum or some of the timber preservative,

433
00:26:04,575 --> 00:26:07,895
Speaker 2: and then just laid new actually hardwood decking over the

434
00:26:07,935 --> 00:26:08,295
Speaker 2: top of it.

435
00:26:08,495 --> 00:26:12,335
Speaker 6: Absolutely fine, So they're clear clear, Yeah, there is.

436
00:26:12,495 --> 00:26:18,575
Speaker 2: I think the metal X does a clear timber preservative

437
00:26:18,615 --> 00:26:25,215
Speaker 2: as well. Absolutely. Hey, nice chatting. Thank you all the

438
00:26:25,255 --> 00:26:27,695
Speaker 2: this take care. That gives me a little bit of

439
00:26:27,735 --> 00:26:32,975
Speaker 2: homework to do around timber decay and timber treatments and

440
00:26:33,535 --> 00:26:36,935
Speaker 2: the eventual evaporation. That's the best word that I can

441
00:26:36,975 --> 00:26:42,815
Speaker 2: think of. Right now, I've got some contacts at Brands.

442
00:26:42,895 --> 00:26:45,135
Speaker 2: I might bring one of the boffins there. Oh wait,

443
00:26:45,135 --> 00:26:47,135
Speaker 2: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

444
00:26:47,495 --> 00:26:49,735
Speaker 2: six thirty six at news Talks. There be will come

445
00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:51,335
Speaker 2: back and talk to Amanda in just a moment.

446
00:26:52,935 --> 00:26:56,375
Speaker 1: God was, but maybe called Pete first p Walfa, the

447
00:26:56,535 --> 00:26:58,055
Speaker 1: resident builder News Talks.

448
00:26:58,055 --> 00:27:00,495
Speaker 2: There'd be getting a couple of texts on the whole

449
00:27:00,615 --> 00:27:07,015
Speaker 2: nogs d Wang's regional dialect type thing. There were always dwangs,

450
00:27:07,015 --> 00:27:09,135
Speaker 2: even in the North Island Pete, but I'm a generation

451
00:27:09,335 --> 00:27:12,375
Speaker 2: before you, probably more a generational thing than a local

452
00:27:12,495 --> 00:27:15,655
Speaker 2: one from Bob. Thanks very much for that. Bob. Well,

453
00:27:17,295 --> 00:27:20,055
Speaker 2: I'm getting close to forty years in this game, so

454
00:27:20,895 --> 00:27:25,135
Speaker 2: it's always been Noggs. But yeah, my understanding it was

455
00:27:25,175 --> 00:27:28,615
Speaker 2: always a regional thing. Noggs have always been a South

456
00:27:28,695 --> 00:27:32,615
Speaker 2: Island thing going way back in time, and Dwang's was

457
00:27:32,735 --> 00:27:36,575
Speaker 2: always Noggs have always been a South Island thing. From Earl,

458
00:27:37,015 --> 00:27:41,015
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure that's interesting though, Hey, Pete is

459
00:27:41,055 --> 00:27:44,255
Speaker 2: batch and crib and other regional oddity. So if you're

460
00:27:44,255 --> 00:27:46,695
Speaker 2: in Auckland or in the North Island and you happen

461
00:27:46,735 --> 00:27:49,015
Speaker 2: to have another house that's you know, by the beach

462
00:27:49,175 --> 00:27:50,935
Speaker 2: or by the lake or something like that, then it'll

463
00:27:50,975 --> 00:27:53,775
Speaker 2: be a batch. If you're at I don't know, christ

464
00:27:53,855 --> 00:27:56,935
Speaker 2: Church and you're nipping out to Diamond Harbor or something

465
00:27:57,015 --> 00:28:02,495
Speaker 2: like that, then chances are it's a crib there. To

466
00:28:02,575 --> 00:28:04,935
Speaker 2: be fair, this could I feel like talking to one

467
00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:07,095
Speaker 2: of the overnight guys. This would be a great topic

468
00:28:07,175 --> 00:28:11,815
Speaker 2: for Overnight talkback. Regional language differences and do we have

469
00:28:12,055 --> 00:28:15,815
Speaker 2: sort of genuine regional differences in New Zealand. But hey,

470
00:28:15,855 --> 00:28:18,175
Speaker 2: look I'm not doing overnight talkback anymore. Haven't done it

471
00:28:18,215 --> 00:28:20,135
Speaker 2: for a few years, but it was a lot of

472
00:28:20,135 --> 00:28:22,455
Speaker 2: fun when I did. It is six forty oh and

473
00:28:22,575 --> 00:28:25,175
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I've misled you. I was getting all excited

474
00:28:25,175 --> 00:28:27,495
Speaker 2: about having one of the razine painting experts on. That's

475
00:28:27,535 --> 00:28:31,815
Speaker 2: going to be next week, but later on today I

476
00:28:31,895 --> 00:28:33,935
Speaker 2: am going to take some time after the eight o'clock

477
00:28:34,015 --> 00:28:38,255
Speaker 2: News to catch up with Andrew Eagles. Andrew is the

478
00:28:38,455 --> 00:28:41,575
Speaker 2: chief executive basically for the New Zealand Green Building Council

479
00:28:42,455 --> 00:28:45,455
Speaker 2: and the New Zealand Green Building Council are celebrating twenty

480
00:28:45,575 --> 00:28:51,735
Speaker 2: years since they were formed in New Zealand. Over those

481
00:28:52,015 --> 00:28:55,895
Speaker 2: that time, I did my first sort of course formal

482
00:28:56,015 --> 00:28:59,375
Speaker 2: learning with them to become a home Star practitioner. I

483
00:28:59,495 --> 00:29:02,735
Speaker 2: did that course when home Star was at version one.

484
00:29:03,775 --> 00:29:07,055
Speaker 2: Home Stars now been revived. It's a sort of document

485
00:29:07,175 --> 00:29:10,855
Speaker 2: in terms of building performance and assessment. It's up to

486
00:29:11,055 --> 00:29:14,055
Speaker 2: version five. It's on my list of things to do.

487
00:29:15,135 --> 00:29:18,095
Speaker 2: But yeah, I did version one. I think it's like

488
00:29:18,215 --> 00:29:22,135
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen years ago. But the Green Building Council celebrates

489
00:29:22,175 --> 00:29:24,775
Speaker 2: twenty years and we're going to take some time to

490
00:29:25,015 --> 00:29:28,215
Speaker 2: chat with Andrew Eagles after the news at eight o'clock

491
00:29:28,295 --> 00:29:30,655
Speaker 2: this morning, So looking forward to that. Oh eight hundred

492
00:29:30,655 --> 00:29:33,295
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call Amanda?

493
00:29:33,375 --> 00:29:35,495
Speaker 6: Good morning, Good morning, Pete.

494
00:29:35,495 --> 00:29:35,815
Speaker 11: How are you.

495
00:29:35,855 --> 00:29:39,695
Speaker 2: Increasing so doing? Okay? Thank you in yourself very.

496
00:29:39,655 --> 00:29:43,975
Speaker 7: Well, jusfull morning and the Hawk's Bay beautiful. Oh, I know,

497
00:29:45,015 --> 00:29:49,455
Speaker 7: water restrictions. I've got a trouble of questions for you.

498
00:29:49,575 --> 00:29:52,615
Speaker 7: I mentioned a kinder or a home, and I am

499
00:29:52,775 --> 00:29:57,335
Speaker 7: at I'm in a back dwelling of a front one.

500
00:29:57,695 --> 00:30:00,375
Speaker 7: So they've sub I don't know, I've subdivided it whatever.

501
00:30:00,135 --> 00:30:00,615
Speaker 6: They called it.

502
00:30:01,455 --> 00:30:06,615
Speaker 7: However, my water goes to the front dwelling and then

503
00:30:06,775 --> 00:30:09,135
Speaker 7: it veers off in the ninety degree angle to a

504
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:11,735
Speaker 7: private dwelling. So I don't have a storm.

505
00:30:11,495 --> 00:30:17,335
Speaker 2: Water hall talking water for drinking water for the stormwater

506
00:30:18,135 --> 00:30:22,015
Speaker 2: stormwater right, okay, yes that.

507
00:30:22,215 --> 00:30:22,935
Speaker 6: Is legal, is it?

508
00:30:25,495 --> 00:30:25,975
Speaker 8: I'll tell you.

509
00:30:26,015 --> 00:30:29,815
Speaker 7: Why I'm asking you. Every year, you know, when we

510
00:30:29,935 --> 00:30:34,375
Speaker 7: get our massive, big floods. Yes, my property, I'm elevated

511
00:30:34,535 --> 00:30:40,935
Speaker 7: by one through three basically probably about meter. Yeah, they're

512
00:30:40,935 --> 00:30:45,015
Speaker 7: a bad meter high off the concrete. But I floods

513
00:30:46,975 --> 00:30:51,935
Speaker 7: the pipe actually blocks at the junction going to the

514
00:30:52,095 --> 00:31:00,255
Speaker 7: private dwelling, right, and I have spoken to counsel, I've

515
00:31:00,295 --> 00:31:07,175
Speaker 7: spoken to you know, my tenancy, and they nobody wants

516
00:31:07,215 --> 00:31:10,575
Speaker 7: to take ownership or it. But what it does is

517
00:31:11,815 --> 00:31:17,255
Speaker 7: rubbish underneath the house and I way through it's a water.

518
00:31:18,935 --> 00:31:21,815
Speaker 2: I mean, the flooding is obviously you know, if your

519
00:31:21,855 --> 00:31:24,015
Speaker 2: place is flooding, then your neighbors are flooding, and there's

520
00:31:24,095 --> 00:31:28,575
Speaker 2: there's bigger issues there and they are Arguably the flooding

521
00:31:28,695 --> 00:31:32,855
Speaker 2: is unlikely to be alleviated by a single you know,

522
00:31:32,855 --> 00:31:35,535
Speaker 2: one hundred milimeters stormwater connection that may or may not

523
00:31:35,655 --> 00:31:39,535
Speaker 2: function well. It all contributes, but you know there are

524
00:31:39,655 --> 00:31:40,975
Speaker 2: there are bigger issues at play.

525
00:31:41,095 --> 00:31:41,215
Speaker 6: Right.

526
00:31:42,295 --> 00:31:46,295
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you know, private stormwater

527
00:31:46,415 --> 00:31:51,815
Speaker 2: running through an adjoining property is not uncommon because in

528
00:31:51,935 --> 00:31:55,415
Speaker 2: some cases the public asset, the public stormwater line might

529
00:31:55,495 --> 00:31:57,735
Speaker 2: be located, let's say, on the other side of your

530
00:31:57,775 --> 00:32:01,455
Speaker 2: neighbor's property, and so you can get an easement for

531
00:32:01,695 --> 00:32:04,455
Speaker 2: stormwater through an adjoining property in order to reach the

532
00:32:04,535 --> 00:32:10,975
Speaker 2: public asset. And again, you know, while it seems straightforward,

533
00:32:11,055 --> 00:32:13,975
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of thought and consideration as to

534
00:32:14,135 --> 00:32:17,375
Speaker 2: how you design those systems and having sharp bends that

535
00:32:17,535 --> 00:32:20,455
Speaker 2: can maybe trap some material and that probably not that great.

536
00:32:20,575 --> 00:32:22,455
Speaker 2: If it was a series of forty fives, it would

537
00:32:22,455 --> 00:32:24,255
Speaker 2: allow the water to flow and so on.

538
00:32:26,855 --> 00:32:30,455
Speaker 7: They didn't put the camera down, and it's obviously shows

539
00:32:30,575 --> 00:32:31,375
Speaker 7: you blockhage.

540
00:32:31,575 --> 00:32:36,895
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then whoever owns the asset owns, and in

541
00:32:37,015 --> 00:32:40,135
Speaker 2: this case it's ko. You go to them and go look.

542
00:32:40,895 --> 00:32:42,455
Speaker 2: The way that I would sort of pitch it is

543
00:32:42,895 --> 00:32:45,855
Speaker 2: it's in your best interest to come and sort this out, right,

544
00:32:46,095 --> 00:32:48,655
Speaker 2: So because in the end it's their asset right, they

545
00:32:48,775 --> 00:32:52,655
Speaker 2: own the property, they want to maintain it hopefully, and

546
00:32:53,055 --> 00:32:55,535
Speaker 2: so if you go to them and go look, just

547
00:32:55,655 --> 00:32:58,455
Speaker 2: like to help you guys out. What I've noticed is

548
00:32:58,575 --> 00:33:02,255
Speaker 2: this blocks and it causes flooding. The flooding then causes damage.

549
00:33:02,535 --> 00:33:04,655
Speaker 2: The damage is something that you're going to have to fix.

550
00:33:04,975 --> 00:33:07,255
Speaker 2: Why not, you know, could you, I'm on board, have

551
00:33:07,335 --> 00:33:09,775
Speaker 2: a look at this. Maybe there's a simple fix, and

552
00:33:09,935 --> 00:33:12,215
Speaker 2: then see if you can encourage them to come and

553
00:33:13,095 --> 00:33:13,655
Speaker 2: address that.

554
00:33:18,095 --> 00:33:21,175
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was just more worried about my neighbor. He

555
00:33:21,375 --> 00:33:28,615
Speaker 7: just laid down concrete. Yeah, you know, he might get

556
00:33:28,655 --> 00:33:32,095
Speaker 7: pulled up. I don't know, but we'll let them write

557
00:33:32,095 --> 00:33:36,055
Speaker 7: that one out. My second question really quickly. At the

558
00:33:36,135 --> 00:33:38,175
Speaker 7: back of my property, I've got one of those tiny

559
00:33:38,255 --> 00:33:41,175
Speaker 7: little it's a single dwelling, it's not one of those apartments,

560
00:33:41,335 --> 00:33:46,335
Speaker 7: you know. And at the back I get no done.

561
00:33:46,375 --> 00:33:49,375
Speaker 7: I've got massively big because I've got another person pine

562
00:33:49,455 --> 00:33:52,735
Speaker 7: me trees. So what I wanted to do was a

563
00:33:53,415 --> 00:33:56,695
Speaker 7: two by one point eight conk freach slab so that

564
00:33:56,815 --> 00:34:00,055
Speaker 7: I could put about my barbecue down, et cetera. You know,

565
00:34:00,095 --> 00:34:01,935
Speaker 7: we near the cheap trees, or it won't be near

566
00:34:01,975 --> 00:34:08,015
Speaker 7: the house. There doesn't seem to be any electrical Okay,

567
00:34:08,055 --> 00:34:10,615
Speaker 7: So I've got my hate pump, which was further down,

568
00:34:11,255 --> 00:34:14,455
Speaker 7: and I've got a plumbing type I'm assuming it's a

569
00:34:14,535 --> 00:34:20,615
Speaker 7: gutterage guffering drain goes down. Would that be legal? Because

570
00:34:20,655 --> 00:34:24,535
Speaker 7: when I did ask my housing manager again three weeks ago,

571
00:34:24,615 --> 00:34:25,895
Speaker 7: he said, oh, I don't know. I'm going to have

572
00:34:25,935 --> 00:34:28,015
Speaker 7: to go away and look at that one up. But

573
00:34:28,135 --> 00:34:32,815
Speaker 7: there's no electrical you know, I do nothing but what

574
00:34:32,975 --> 00:34:37,175
Speaker 7: I can see. Do you know anything about whether I

575
00:34:37,215 --> 00:34:38,615
Speaker 7: could put a concert slab gown?

576
00:34:38,935 --> 00:34:42,175
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's in question, given that you know,

577
00:34:42,255 --> 00:34:52,215
Speaker 2: effectively you're a tenant in a government owned house. I'm

578
00:34:52,255 --> 00:34:55,495
Speaker 2: thinking that any tenant would need the permission of their landlord. Right,

579
00:34:56,895 --> 00:35:01,135
Speaker 2: So if a tenant approached a landlord and said, look,

580
00:35:01,335 --> 00:35:05,215
Speaker 2: I'd like to make this improvement, you would expect some

581
00:35:05,375 --> 00:35:07,655
Speaker 2: engagement with the le in which case you'd need to

582
00:35:07,695 --> 00:35:10,815
Speaker 2: go to the landlord. It sounds like you have asked,

583
00:35:10,935 --> 00:35:13,735
Speaker 2: and the person who's managing the property on behalf of

584
00:35:13,815 --> 00:35:17,415
Speaker 2: ko let's be blunt, should know that, right should not?

585
00:35:17,535 --> 00:35:19,295
Speaker 2: They don't. They shouldn't have to go off and talk

586
00:35:19,335 --> 00:35:21,815
Speaker 2: to someone else. If that's their job. They should know that.

587
00:35:22,015 --> 00:35:24,975
Speaker 2: And I would have thought that they would go, well, actually,

588
00:35:26,335 --> 00:35:29,455
Speaker 2: as the landlord, we've decided no, or they'd go, hey,

589
00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:31,815
Speaker 2: look it's relatively low risk if you want to put

590
00:35:31,895 --> 00:35:35,775
Speaker 2: down a three inch that concrete slab in that particular

591
00:35:35,895 --> 00:35:39,175
Speaker 2: area because you you know, it's hard for grass to

592
00:35:39,215 --> 00:35:41,695
Speaker 2: grow there and things get moldy and all the rest

593
00:35:41,695 --> 00:35:45,575
Speaker 2: of it. Then you know, you're like, it's quite possible

594
00:35:45,575 --> 00:35:47,455
Speaker 2: that you might be a long term tenant. What's the

595
00:35:47,535 --> 00:35:48,335
Speaker 2: downside to it.

596
00:35:49,095 --> 00:35:51,095
Speaker 7: Well, I've been here for seven years, so it's not

597
00:35:51,255 --> 00:35:53,575
Speaker 7: like I'm you know, and I've been a good tenant,

598
00:35:53,615 --> 00:35:55,455
Speaker 7: and I've done extraly a lot of my own maintenance.

599
00:35:55,535 --> 00:36:00,055
Speaker 7: I need people do it so for me, and it's

600
00:36:00,175 --> 00:36:03,575
Speaker 7: not an internal structure that I must be interpeering with,

601
00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:06,855
Speaker 7: which would you know, obviously cause a problem. So I

602
00:36:07,015 --> 00:36:09,655
Speaker 7: just wondered, you know, whether I should just sort.

603
00:36:09,495 --> 00:36:12,575
Speaker 2: Of ultimately, given that you're a land your a tenant

604
00:36:12,655 --> 00:36:16,095
Speaker 2: in a government property, you know, I would go to

605
00:36:16,175 --> 00:36:19,935
Speaker 2: them and seek approval obviously, and then in the event

606
00:36:20,015 --> 00:36:23,175
Speaker 2: that for some unforeseen reason, someone needs to get access

607
00:36:23,215 --> 00:36:25,735
Speaker 2: to services below there. But it doesn't seem like there

608
00:36:25,775 --> 00:36:28,815
Speaker 2: are any services. Well, you know, three inches of concrete

609
00:36:28,815 --> 00:36:30,975
Speaker 2: if you don't put any mession, it's not impossible to

610
00:36:31,015 --> 00:36:34,695
Speaker 2: get through that and get twenty subground services.

611
00:36:35,655 --> 00:36:35,815
Speaker 6: Right.

612
00:36:36,655 --> 00:36:41,855
Speaker 2: It would be nice if youre property manager knew that stuff. Yeah,

613
00:36:42,495 --> 00:36:47,975
Speaker 2: I'm not going to come hey, lovely to chat with you.

614
00:36:48,495 --> 00:36:54,095
Speaker 2: Have a great day, Amanda too. The speaking of people

615
00:36:54,175 --> 00:36:59,975
Speaker 2: not doing their jobs, this Wellington wastewater thing, what an

616
00:37:00,015 --> 00:37:13,335
Speaker 2: appalling debarcle. What an appalling debarcle. I mean, it's hard

617
00:37:13,415 --> 00:37:19,015
Speaker 2: to imagine stuff and something up that bad. And I'm

618
00:37:19,055 --> 00:37:22,055
Speaker 2: typically not one to sort of pile into public service

619
00:37:22,135 --> 00:37:24,535
Speaker 2: and public assets and all the rest of it. But

620
00:37:25,695 --> 00:37:28,575
Speaker 2: you know, this kind of follows in from Hey, let's

621
00:37:28,615 --> 00:37:30,935
Speaker 2: go and check how the bolts are doing on the

622
00:37:31,015 --> 00:37:33,815
Speaker 2: power pylon and we'll take all the nuts out and

623
00:37:33,855 --> 00:37:37,295
Speaker 2: the thing falls over, and I think it does. And

624
00:37:37,855 --> 00:37:42,095
Speaker 2: my brother was over, he's involved in manufacturing in Australian.

625
00:37:42,135 --> 00:37:47,415
Speaker 2: We were having a bit of a chat about I

626
00:37:47,455 --> 00:37:49,855
Speaker 2: guess there's a couple of grumpy old men basically having

627
00:37:49,895 --> 00:37:52,175
Speaker 2: a chat about young people in the trades and whether

628
00:37:52,295 --> 00:37:55,055
Speaker 2: or not people it's actually not an issue with young people.

629
00:37:55,095 --> 00:37:57,415
Speaker 2: It's an issue with our industry and to some degree

630
00:37:57,455 --> 00:38:01,615
Speaker 2: our society where we're not encouraging people to go into trades,

631
00:38:01,775 --> 00:38:05,775
Speaker 2: and so when we've got big challenging projects, there's not

632
00:38:05,895 --> 00:38:12,495
Speaker 2: the skill base there anymore. And so you know, going

633
00:38:12,535 --> 00:38:13,935
Speaker 2: and taking all the nuts out of the bottom of

634
00:38:13,935 --> 00:38:17,975
Speaker 2: a pylon, or going and doing maintenance work on a

635
00:38:18,055 --> 00:38:21,295
Speaker 2: wastewater treatment plant and stuffing it up basically so bad

636
00:38:21,335 --> 00:38:24,335
Speaker 2: that raw sewerage flows into the harbor and continues to

637
00:38:25,015 --> 00:38:34,895
Speaker 2: and an enormously complex complex has become damaged. Somebody is

638
00:38:34,935 --> 00:38:36,575
Speaker 2: to blame, and I think he should roll.

639
00:38:36,895 --> 00:38:37,255
Speaker 6: There you go.

640
00:38:37,375 --> 00:38:40,375
Speaker 2: That's my thoughts. Actually, I'll give you a more uplifting

641
00:38:40,455 --> 00:38:43,495
Speaker 2: story after the break six fifty here at New stalks edb.

642
00:38:44,255 --> 00:38:46,775
Speaker 1: Doing other house sorting the guard and asked Pete for

643
00:38:46,855 --> 00:38:52,055
Speaker 1: a hand. The resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call Eights

644
00:38:52,135 --> 00:38:53,655
Speaker 1: togs edb a couple of.

645
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Speaker 2: Quick suggestions for Amanda. So rather than doing a concrete

646
00:38:57,215 --> 00:38:59,895
Speaker 2: slab in an area that's obviously doesn't get a great

647
00:38:59,935 --> 00:39:03,415
Speaker 2: deal of sunlight so grass doesn't grow all of that

648
00:39:03,495 --> 00:39:05,655
Speaker 2: sort of thing you want a serviceable area is, rather

649
00:39:05,735 --> 00:39:09,095
Speaker 2: than do something permanent like a slab of concrete, is

650
00:39:09,215 --> 00:39:11,935
Speaker 2: to use some say six hundred by six hundred pavers,

651
00:39:12,815 --> 00:39:16,175
Speaker 2: do some base course lay those down if they even

652
00:39:16,255 --> 00:39:19,015
Speaker 2: needed to be removed, at least they can be and

653
00:39:19,295 --> 00:39:23,095
Speaker 2: they could be recycled as well, which is awesome. I

654
00:39:23,255 --> 00:39:27,815
Speaker 2: did make some comments earlier about I think we do

655
00:39:27,975 --> 00:39:34,615
Speaker 2: have a challenge in terms of ensuring that we can

656
00:39:34,735 --> 00:39:40,215
Speaker 2: continue to make and build and manufacture and assemble and

657
00:39:41,415 --> 00:39:45,455
Speaker 2: produce items in this country. So I think there's some

658
00:39:45,615 --> 00:39:49,895
Speaker 2: genuine concern around kind of a de industrialization and an

659
00:39:50,095 --> 00:39:54,055
Speaker 2: end of manufacturing here, and part of that is driven

660
00:39:54,135 --> 00:39:58,855
Speaker 2: by global issues. I understand that large efficient factories overseas

661
00:39:58,935 --> 00:40:03,615
Speaker 2: can probably make the same widget at considerably less cost,

662
00:40:03,775 --> 00:40:07,335
Speaker 2: but there's still I think an issue in terms of

663
00:40:07,575 --> 00:40:10,655
Speaker 2: ensuring that we have a capable workforce in New Zealand

664
00:40:10,735 --> 00:40:14,695
Speaker 2: that can do the maintenance and can do the repairs

665
00:40:14,895 --> 00:40:18,415
Speaker 2: and can look after something like the Wellington wastewater treatment

666
00:40:18,455 --> 00:40:22,175
Speaker 2: plant without sending raw surage into the harbor. There's obviously

667
00:40:22,295 --> 00:40:24,655
Speaker 2: been a fault there. Someone's gone, hey, look with all

668
00:40:24,695 --> 00:40:27,575
Speaker 2: this judgment, it's not constructive or it's productive or productive.

669
00:40:28,095 --> 00:40:30,495
Speaker 2: I get it, and I'm not saying it for any

670
00:40:30,535 --> 00:40:34,375
Speaker 2: other reason than it's a simply appalling situation to have happened.

671
00:40:34,535 --> 00:40:38,215
Speaker 2: And obviously it wasn't supposed to happen, so somewhere along

672
00:40:38,255 --> 00:40:43,255
Speaker 2: the line somebody stuffed up. You can't have any other

673
00:40:43,335 --> 00:40:45,135
Speaker 2: explanation than that. In the same way that if you

674
00:40:45,215 --> 00:40:47,015
Speaker 2: send some people out to check the bolts and they

675
00:40:47,055 --> 00:40:49,815
Speaker 2: take all the nuts off and the pylon fols over,

676
00:40:50,335 --> 00:40:56,095
Speaker 2: then we've got an issue with capacity and capability in

677
00:40:56,215 --> 00:40:59,055
Speaker 2: our workforce, and that's got to be an issue that

678
00:40:59,095 --> 00:41:05,655
Speaker 2: we've got to address. Accountability, not condemnation. Well, yeah, accountability.

679
00:41:06,335 --> 00:41:09,455
Speaker 2: It might require somebody to step down. I think radio

680
00:41:09,615 --> 00:41:10,975
Speaker 2: we're going to take a break, we're going to talk

681
00:41:11,575 --> 00:41:14,295
Speaker 2: more after the news. And if you've got a question

682
00:41:14,415 --> 00:41:16,095
Speaker 2: of a building nature. You could call us now we'll

683
00:41:16,095 --> 00:41:19,055
Speaker 2: get things set up new sport and weather top of

684
00:41:19,055 --> 00:41:20,855
Speaker 2: the are at seven o'clock. Then we're back with more

685
00:41:20,895 --> 00:41:21,255
Speaker 2: of your.

686
00:41:21,175 --> 00:41:30,415
Speaker 1: Calls, whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the Feds, or

687
00:41:30,495 --> 00:41:32,695
Speaker 1: wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. Give

688
00:41:32,775 --> 00:41:37,295
Speaker 1: Peter wolf Caper call on eighty the resident Builder on

689
00:41:37,455 --> 00:41:38,735
Speaker 1: News talks'b.

690
00:41:39,135 --> 00:41:41,015
Speaker 2: Your News Talks. He'd be welcome back to the show.

691
00:41:41,135 --> 00:41:43,335
Speaker 2: My name's Pete wolf Camp, the resident Builder, and this

692
00:41:43,615 --> 00:41:46,655
Speaker 2: is an opportunity to talk all things building and construction.

693
00:41:46,855 --> 00:41:49,335
Speaker 2: So if you've got a project that's underway and you'd

694
00:41:49,415 --> 00:41:52,095
Speaker 2: like to talk about it. Maybe it's some maintenance, maybe

695
00:41:52,135 --> 00:41:55,375
Speaker 2: it's some repairs, maybe it's a new build and extension

696
00:41:55,495 --> 00:41:59,015
Speaker 2: and alteration to your property, let us know and we'll

697
00:41:59,015 --> 00:42:03,175
Speaker 2: see if we can chat about whatever challenges, dilemmas, problems

698
00:42:03,295 --> 00:42:06,695
Speaker 2: that you might have and some possible solutions as well.

699
00:42:07,215 --> 00:42:10,975
Speaker 2: And it's a fairly it's a fairly broad it's a

700
00:42:11,055 --> 00:42:14,135
Speaker 2: colorful palette that we have to play with. So already

701
00:42:14,135 --> 00:42:16,855
Speaker 2: on the show, we've had some questions about insulations, some

702
00:42:16,975 --> 00:42:21,775
Speaker 2: questions about decking, some questions about sort of temporary groundcover,

703
00:42:21,935 --> 00:42:23,695
Speaker 2: let's say, do you do a concrete slab, do you

704
00:42:23,815 --> 00:42:26,975
Speaker 2: use some pavers? And I've just prior to the news,

705
00:42:27,015 --> 00:42:29,415
Speaker 2: I've been watching the story in Wellington, which is not

706
00:42:29,575 --> 00:42:32,175
Speaker 2: necessarily a building one, but it does involve a sector

707
00:42:32,215 --> 00:42:34,735
Speaker 2: where we make things and we expect them to work,

708
00:42:34,815 --> 00:42:37,895
Speaker 2: and then sometimes they don't. And in this case it's

709
00:42:38,175 --> 00:42:42,655
Speaker 2: that's failed in a spectacular way and we've ended up well, actually,

710
00:42:42,735 --> 00:42:45,775
Speaker 2: the poor people of Wellington have ended up with raw

711
00:42:45,895 --> 00:42:49,975
Speaker 2: sewage on their beaches right next to the main center.

712
00:42:50,055 --> 00:42:51,975
Speaker 2: Someone said, oh, look, it's not going into the harbor,

713
00:42:52,015 --> 00:42:55,495
Speaker 2: it's going into cook straight well only just to be fair,

714
00:42:56,615 --> 00:42:59,935
Speaker 2: you know some of the shots that were on TV

715
00:43:00,175 --> 00:43:04,175
Speaker 2: in the news last couple of days. I'm in Wellington,

716
00:43:05,015 --> 00:43:07,215
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of times a year. Yeah, if

717
00:43:07,295 --> 00:43:09,735
Speaker 2: I happen to have a bit of time before I

718
00:43:09,815 --> 00:43:11,975
Speaker 2: go to the airport, I'll often just park up at

719
00:43:12,015 --> 00:43:14,535
Speaker 2: that beach nearby, go for a bit of a wander

720
00:43:14,575 --> 00:43:18,135
Speaker 2: along the beach. It's beautiful. There's sometimes there's people surfing,

721
00:43:18,215 --> 00:43:21,175
Speaker 2: sometimes there's people just enjoying the beach, wandering or having

722
00:43:21,215 --> 00:43:22,735
Speaker 2: a paddle in the water and that sort of thing.

723
00:43:23,135 --> 00:43:27,015
Speaker 2: And of course, now you can't for the foreseeable future

724
00:43:27,135 --> 00:43:30,255
Speaker 2: that will be out of bounds because you can't put

725
00:43:30,295 --> 00:43:32,935
Speaker 2: this any other way. Somebody stuffed up, right, that's not

726
00:43:33,175 --> 00:43:35,295
Speaker 2: what was supposed to happen during the maintenance. And then

727
00:43:35,335 --> 00:43:37,775
Speaker 2: people are going, oh, you've been really judgmental. Well, yeah,

728
00:43:39,135 --> 00:43:42,415
Speaker 2: these things shouldn't happen, and yes, there'll be an investigation,

729
00:43:42,695 --> 00:43:47,335
Speaker 2: and my prediction is probably completely predictable. Somebody made a mistake,

730
00:43:47,495 --> 00:43:49,375
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that, you know, as humans, we

731
00:43:49,415 --> 00:43:53,015
Speaker 2: don't make mistakes, but there should be accountability and whether

732
00:43:53,135 --> 00:43:56,575
Speaker 2: if you consider that judgment, well, yeah, fair enough. The

733
00:43:56,655 --> 00:44:00,615
Speaker 2: reality is accountability does involve judgment, and in this instance,

734
00:44:00,815 --> 00:44:03,095
Speaker 2: somebody's made a mistake and I think somebody should be

735
00:44:03,175 --> 00:44:08,815
Speaker 2: responsible for it as ba as a extacies. Hey, look,

736
00:44:08,855 --> 00:44:12,775
Speaker 2: as someone who's been personally prosecuted for some fifty thousand

737
00:44:12,815 --> 00:44:15,055
Speaker 2: dollars for a few buckets of contaminated water on my

738
00:44:15,135 --> 00:44:17,655
Speaker 2: own property, I find it very hard to accept the

739
00:44:17,775 --> 00:44:21,535
Speaker 2: continual failure by public services across the country without any

740
00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:25,855
Speaker 2: prosecution of individuals. Fair point. I wonder whether it was

741
00:44:25,935 --> 00:44:28,255
Speaker 2: more than just a few buckets of contaminated water for

742
00:44:28,335 --> 00:44:35,775
Speaker 2: fifty grand interesting, Actually, just we were talking about sort

743
00:44:35,815 --> 00:44:38,495
Speaker 2: of permeable surfaces, site coverage and this sort of thing.

744
00:44:38,895 --> 00:44:43,015
Speaker 2: Good Morning Peak talking about permeable surfaces being increasingly covered

745
00:44:43,095 --> 00:44:46,535
Speaker 2: with impermeable surfaces, granny flats, et cetera. Where does all

746
00:44:46,575 --> 00:44:48,695
Speaker 2: the rain water go? Surely this will lead to more

747
00:44:48,735 --> 00:44:52,975
Speaker 2: flooding regards from Theresa, it will if it's not managed.

748
00:44:53,455 --> 00:44:57,695
Speaker 2: So I think what we're finding is that increasingly as

749
00:44:57,895 --> 00:45:02,775
Speaker 2: the intensity increases, the requirement at resource consent stage, at

750
00:45:03,095 --> 00:45:06,655
Speaker 2: building consent stage to then manage the storm water run

751
00:45:06,735 --> 00:45:10,055
Speaker 2: off increases as well. So it's not just a simple

752
00:45:10,135 --> 00:45:13,535
Speaker 2: case of connecting all of your downpipes to drainage in

753
00:45:13,575 --> 00:45:16,015
Speaker 2: the ground and pumping it out to the or letting

754
00:45:16,015 --> 00:45:20,095
Speaker 2: it flow out to the council stormwater. Often there'll be mitigation,

755
00:45:20,295 --> 00:45:26,575
Speaker 2: whether that's detention tanks, retention tanks, funnelly get into permeable areas,

756
00:45:26,655 --> 00:45:29,775
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. That's becoming more and more common. So,

757
00:45:30,135 --> 00:45:32,695
Speaker 2: you know, good on Council, they've recognized you can't just

758
00:45:32,895 --> 00:45:36,215
Speaker 2: keep pushing all this stuff into the stawwater that's going

759
00:45:36,295 --> 00:45:39,535
Speaker 2: to be inundated with more and more supply, more and

760
00:45:39,615 --> 00:45:44,895
Speaker 2: more water being directed to it from impermeable spaces, so

761
00:45:45,015 --> 00:45:48,255
Speaker 2: there is mitigation in place for that, and good on

762
00:45:48,375 --> 00:45:52,215
Speaker 2: them in the using water tanks for example, partly as

763
00:45:52,415 --> 00:45:57,575
Speaker 2: rainwater harvesting, partly as stormwater detention, makes a lot of sense.

764
00:45:59,975 --> 00:46:02,055
Speaker 2: Certainly the ones that I've installed in the last couple

765
00:46:02,095 --> 00:46:04,975
Speaker 2: of years, it's exactly what we've been doing. It's been great.

766
00:46:05,615 --> 00:46:07,535
Speaker 2: So you can do a bit rainwater harvesting. And it

767
00:46:07,655 --> 00:46:12,055
Speaker 2: also helps you control stormwater overflow that not everything from

768
00:46:12,135 --> 00:46:15,495
Speaker 2: your property hits the public line at the same time

769
00:46:15,695 --> 00:46:18,375
Speaker 2: by reducing the outflow, so you capture it and then

770
00:46:18,375 --> 00:46:21,575
Speaker 2: you reduce it, you send it out slowly over a

771
00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:24,975
Speaker 2: period of time. Is a really simple measure. Oh, eight

772
00:46:25,095 --> 00:46:27,415
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Eleven

773
00:46:27,415 --> 00:46:29,735
Speaker 2: minutes after seven Dennis, good morning.

774
00:46:30,775 --> 00:46:33,455
Speaker 11: Yes, I just want to find out the rules and

775
00:46:33,575 --> 00:46:37,295
Speaker 11: regulations about building a shed right on the boundary.

776
00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:40,975
Speaker 2: Sure, do you want to build one? Or is someone

777
00:46:41,055 --> 00:46:42,055
Speaker 2: built one on your.

778
00:46:42,015 --> 00:46:45,535
Speaker 11: Boundary it's still neighbors built one, or it's nearly finished

779
00:46:45,815 --> 00:46:49,055
Speaker 11: a right on the boundary. It's I can give you

780
00:46:49,175 --> 00:46:53,295
Speaker 11: some measurements if you want they Sure it's four and

781
00:46:53,335 --> 00:46:59,695
Speaker 11: a half meters long. Yep, it's two point one seven

782
00:46:59,855 --> 00:47:07,175
Speaker 11: zero high and from a house it's a two point

783
00:47:07,375 --> 00:47:11,935
Speaker 11: nine long from the house to this sense. Yeah, sure,

784
00:47:12,815 --> 00:47:17,135
Speaker 11: said right up against the boundary, which is a fence.

785
00:47:17,455 --> 00:47:23,095
Speaker 2: Yes, well, it's quite clear that it can't be there

786
00:47:23,295 --> 00:47:24,815
Speaker 2: unless they have a building consent.

787
00:47:26,175 --> 00:47:28,695
Speaker 11: Right, Well, he hasn't got one, then it.

788
00:47:28,655 --> 00:47:30,935
Speaker 2: Shouldn't be there. It's as simple as that.

789
00:47:31,695 --> 00:47:32,815
Speaker 11: I've been to the council.

790
00:47:33,095 --> 00:47:33,295
Speaker 6: Yep.

791
00:47:33,535 --> 00:47:35,255
Speaker 11: I'm waiting for them to come back to me.

792
00:47:35,695 --> 00:47:39,575
Speaker 2: They will say it's a civil matter because they didn't

793
00:47:39,575 --> 00:47:43,575
Speaker 2: issue a building consent for it. Their typical responses, it's

794
00:47:43,655 --> 00:47:48,655
Speaker 2: up to you. But everything that I understand, even with

795
00:47:48,775 --> 00:47:51,895
Speaker 2: all of the new rules, and even with David Seymour

796
00:47:52,695 --> 00:47:55,615
Speaker 2: trumpeting just a couple of months ago that hey, we've

797
00:47:55,695 --> 00:47:58,855
Speaker 2: changed the rules around garden sheds. So the guideline was

798
00:47:58,935 --> 00:48:03,335
Speaker 2: always that something like a garden shed, whether it's you know,

799
00:48:03,415 --> 00:48:06,255
Speaker 2: two or three square meters or six or seven square meters,

800
00:48:06,815 --> 00:48:09,575
Speaker 2: it needed to be the height of the building away

801
00:48:09,695 --> 00:48:10,415
Speaker 2: from the boundary.

802
00:48:12,495 --> 00:48:13,055
Speaker 6: And then.

803
00:48:14,575 --> 00:48:18,135
Speaker 2: That's got to be one of the most common non

804
00:48:18,255 --> 00:48:24,375
Speaker 2: compliant things around, right. No one, hardly anyone puts their sheds,

805
00:48:24,855 --> 00:48:27,215
Speaker 2: storage units, et cetera, et cetera, that far away from

806
00:48:27,215 --> 00:48:30,535
Speaker 2: the boundary. So they've accepted that. They've said, Okay, the

807
00:48:30,615 --> 00:48:33,495
Speaker 2: new rule is it can be a meter from the boundary,

808
00:48:33,655 --> 00:48:36,935
Speaker 2: but it can't be closer than a meter. So if

809
00:48:37,055 --> 00:48:40,415
Speaker 2: your neighbor has constructed something and and you know where

810
00:48:40,455 --> 00:48:43,015
Speaker 2: the boundary is, and you know that it's within one meter,

811
00:48:43,815 --> 00:48:48,535
Speaker 2: that's non compliant. Whether or not counsel would enforce anything,

812
00:48:49,095 --> 00:48:54,295
Speaker 2: I really don't know what your rights are. You could

813
00:48:54,455 --> 00:48:59,175
Speaker 2: exercise those through the Property Act, but it's going to

814
00:48:59,215 --> 00:49:00,215
Speaker 2: be a little bit challenging.

815
00:49:00,975 --> 00:49:05,535
Speaker 11: Yeah, I wouldn't be moaning about that a shrine phan

816
00:49:05,615 --> 00:49:07,535
Speaker 11: of my lounge and that's what I see.

817
00:49:08,015 --> 00:49:11,415
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that's sort of things just inconsiderate, right,

818
00:49:12,215 --> 00:49:14,935
Speaker 2: that's dead right, And.

819
00:49:15,415 --> 00:49:18,055
Speaker 11: You know, if I have spoken to him about it,

820
00:49:18,695 --> 00:49:19,295
Speaker 11: every one to know.

821
00:49:23,855 --> 00:49:25,055
Speaker 2: We need to go to council.

822
00:49:26,135 --> 00:49:27,935
Speaker 11: Just say that A round it through you and just

823
00:49:28,015 --> 00:49:29,135
Speaker 11: see where I struggle with that.

824
00:49:30,655 --> 00:49:34,695
Speaker 2: I think that the only sort of question that I'd

825
00:49:34,735 --> 00:49:37,575
Speaker 2: have is are you sure that the fence is the boundary?

826
00:49:38,295 --> 00:49:38,495
Speaker 6: Yes?

827
00:49:38,935 --> 00:49:42,135
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're confident that the fence actually is the boundary,

828
00:49:42,255 --> 00:49:44,655
Speaker 2: and on that basis, you're saying the fence is the

829
00:49:44,695 --> 00:49:47,855
Speaker 2: boundary this building is within a meter of the fence,

830
00:49:48,015 --> 00:49:52,655
Speaker 2: which is the boundary. I absolutely believe that it shouldn't

831
00:49:52,735 --> 00:49:57,535
Speaker 2: be there. It's quite clear, even with the recent changes

832
00:49:57,655 --> 00:50:00,495
Speaker 2: that if you build within one meter of the boundary

833
00:50:00,535 --> 00:50:02,535
Speaker 2: it requires a building consent. If they don't have a

834
00:50:02,615 --> 00:50:06,135
Speaker 2: building consent, then it's basically a non compliant building.

835
00:50:07,175 --> 00:50:11,295
Speaker 11: The house that on the other side of the section

836
00:50:11,855 --> 00:50:14,975
Speaker 11: where the shad is a year old. The house is

837
00:50:15,015 --> 00:50:17,815
Speaker 11: a year old. So that's how I know it's all

838
00:50:17,855 --> 00:50:18,535
Speaker 11: on the boundary.

839
00:50:18,775 --> 00:50:21,215
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And you know, new boundaries typically are

840
00:50:21,255 --> 00:50:23,695
Speaker 2: in the right place. You know, it's not uncommon with

841
00:50:23,775 --> 00:50:27,535
Speaker 2: older houses to have fences that aren't anywhere near the boundary.

842
00:50:27,615 --> 00:50:29,335
Speaker 2: But look, I think.

843
00:50:30,815 --> 00:50:33,415
Speaker 11: So, I was going to wait till the city council

844
00:50:33,495 --> 00:50:35,375
Speaker 11: gets back to me and to see what he says.

845
00:50:36,095 --> 00:50:38,375
Speaker 2: When did you go to the council to ask them advice?

846
00:50:39,055 --> 00:50:40,095
Speaker 11: About three days ago?

847
00:50:40,455 --> 00:50:42,935
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, hopefully they'll get back to you, you know,

848
00:50:43,175 --> 00:50:46,655
Speaker 2: Monday or so. And I mean, this is the sort

849
00:50:46,695 --> 00:50:51,135
Speaker 2: of thing that council should come out and investigate and say, hey,

850
00:50:51,175 --> 00:50:54,535
Speaker 2: look here's the rules. You've put it in the wrong place.

851
00:50:54,575 --> 00:50:56,415
Speaker 2: You've got to move it. Is it a when you

852
00:50:56,495 --> 00:50:58,695
Speaker 2: say they've built something, is it like a kit set

853
00:50:58,895 --> 00:51:01,535
Speaker 2: or does it feel like it's sort of fully formed?

854
00:51:01,615 --> 00:51:04,295
Speaker 2: And have they done a concrete slab anything like that.

855
00:51:04,975 --> 00:51:08,175
Speaker 11: It's got a concrete slab. It wasn't a kid said,

856
00:51:08,175 --> 00:51:09,535
Speaker 11: it has just been built.

857
00:51:10,895 --> 00:51:15,535
Speaker 2: You know, it's framed up and yeah, yeah, I guess

858
00:51:16,015 --> 00:51:17,855
Speaker 2: off the back of this. One of my concerns has

859
00:51:17,855 --> 00:51:20,335
Speaker 2: always been that, you know, if people are building, and

860
00:51:20,495 --> 00:51:23,215
Speaker 2: people often do they build, well, we know that the

861
00:51:23,335 --> 00:51:25,175
Speaker 2: rules are a meter from the boundary, but if it's

862
00:51:25,255 --> 00:51:27,055
Speaker 2: less than that, you know, how do you get in

863
00:51:27,095 --> 00:51:30,015
Speaker 2: there to maintain it. We've talked a little bit about

864
00:51:30,095 --> 00:51:33,335
Speaker 2: storm water. Often people will pitch those roofs so that

865
00:51:33,415 --> 00:51:37,015
Speaker 2: the water sheds towards the neighbor. If they don't put

866
00:51:37,055 --> 00:51:39,175
Speaker 2: a bit of spouting on there. Even if they do

867
00:51:39,335 --> 00:51:41,375
Speaker 2: and they just put a downpipe and that directs the

868
00:51:41,415 --> 00:51:43,855
Speaker 2: water onto the ground, then that water is coming to

869
00:51:43,935 --> 00:51:45,895
Speaker 2: your place right now.

870
00:51:46,015 --> 00:51:49,135
Speaker 11: The roof has slanted after their house.

871
00:51:51,375 --> 00:51:54,175
Speaker 2: But again I wonder whether they're doing anything to capture

872
00:51:54,215 --> 00:51:55,215
Speaker 2: the storm water off there.

873
00:51:55,855 --> 00:51:58,455
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, it's as I said, it's not finished it.

874
00:51:58,775 --> 00:52:02,615
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, It's all I wanted to know.

875
00:52:02,855 --> 00:52:04,495
Speaker 11: I mean, I'll just wait for the council and to

876
00:52:04,535 --> 00:52:05,575
Speaker 11: see where I go from there.

877
00:52:05,735 --> 00:52:09,935
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but you know I can understand your frustration.

878
00:52:11,535 --> 00:52:13,415
Speaker 11: Yes, I didn't have to look at it twenty four

879
00:52:13,455 --> 00:52:14,015
Speaker 11: hours a day.

880
00:52:14,135 --> 00:52:17,255
Speaker 2: Whatever you are, that's really unconsiderate a And you know

881
00:52:17,415 --> 00:52:19,375
Speaker 2: the chances are the neighbor or say, oh, you can

882
00:52:19,415 --> 00:52:21,615
Speaker 2: plant some trees and all the rest of them. Okay,

883
00:52:21,735 --> 00:52:23,615
Speaker 2: well you've give me some money for some trees, then

884
00:52:26,615 --> 00:52:30,375
Speaker 2: good luck to all the best take care of by

885
00:52:30,415 --> 00:52:34,135
Speaker 2: by then. And look, I broadly I think that the

886
00:52:34,295 --> 00:52:37,255
Speaker 2: granny flat thing is not a bad idea, But are

887
00:52:37,295 --> 00:52:39,735
Speaker 2: we going to get more of these sorts of issues

888
00:52:39,815 --> 00:52:45,215
Speaker 2: that people will I just I can't help but have

889
00:52:45,375 --> 00:52:47,815
Speaker 2: the snagging doubt about the introduction of the granny flat

890
00:52:48,175 --> 00:52:52,455
Speaker 2: legislation to feel that some people will take it as

891
00:52:52,535 --> 00:52:55,095
Speaker 2: there are no rules anymore, because you don't need a

892
00:52:55,135 --> 00:52:58,615
Speaker 2: building consent. Basically there's no rules. And that is absolutely

893
00:52:58,735 --> 00:53:04,455
Speaker 2: not the case. Oh, eight hundred eighty eighty. If you've

894
00:53:04,455 --> 00:53:08,615
Speaker 2: got a question, someone's just text through. But I'm not

895
00:53:08,655 --> 00:53:12,175
Speaker 2: sure that I completely understand what you're saying. Andy, Pete,

896
00:53:12,575 --> 00:53:16,295
Speaker 2: one to ten is allowed onto the boundary. Ten to

897
00:53:16,535 --> 00:53:20,495
Speaker 2: thirty is one meter. The granny flat is two meters.

898
00:53:20,615 --> 00:53:23,935
Speaker 2: That's on the NB website. Okay, so hang on, here

899
00:53:23,935 --> 00:53:27,735
Speaker 2: you go. If it is less than ten square meters,

900
00:53:30,295 --> 00:53:32,375
Speaker 2: then it can be on the boundary. If it's between

901
00:53:32,535 --> 00:53:35,255
Speaker 2: ten and thirty square meters, then you need to be

902
00:53:35,415 --> 00:53:42,415
Speaker 2: one meter away. Granny flats are two meters. Yes, you're right,

903
00:53:42,535 --> 00:53:46,575
Speaker 2: thank you, Andy. So if it's under ten square meters,

904
00:53:46,615 --> 00:53:50,415
Speaker 2: you can put it on the boundary. So that would

905
00:53:50,415 --> 00:53:52,895
Speaker 2: be the issue, Dennis. If it's four meters long and

906
00:53:53,055 --> 00:53:57,655
Speaker 2: it's two point four roughly deep, then it could be

907
00:53:57,775 --> 00:54:01,415
Speaker 2: on the boundary. I'll go and have a look at

908
00:54:01,455 --> 00:54:04,495
Speaker 2: the MB website as well. Thanks for that, Andy, much appreciated.

909
00:54:04,735 --> 00:54:07,375
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

910
00:54:07,415 --> 00:54:10,895
Speaker 2: It is nineteen or eighteen minutes, heyt give it a second.

911
00:54:10,935 --> 00:54:13,335
Speaker 2: There we go. It is nineteen minutes after seven. Back

912
00:54:13,375 --> 00:54:13,735
Speaker 2: in a moment.

913
00:54:14,535 --> 00:54:18,095
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor Get the right advice from

914
00:54:18,215 --> 00:54:21,735
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder. On news Talk SAB.

915
00:54:22,255 --> 00:54:25,735
Speaker 2: Today, we're checking in to see how jaframe is used

916
00:54:25,775 --> 00:54:28,735
Speaker 2: with these relocatable and modular homes, and we're joined by

917
00:54:28,815 --> 00:54:32,055
Speaker 2: Kevin Taylor, who's the business manager at leisure Coom Homes

918
00:54:32,455 --> 00:54:36,935
Speaker 2: based in Holtapu and Cambridge. Now leisure Coom specializes in

919
00:54:37,095 --> 00:54:41,855
Speaker 2: turn key, modular and relocatable homes, delivering high quality, factory

920
00:54:41,895 --> 00:54:45,295
Speaker 2: built homes throughout Auckland, Northland, the Bay of Plenty right

921
00:54:45,375 --> 00:54:47,695
Speaker 2: across the North Island. Kevin, great to have you with.

922
00:54:47,735 --> 00:54:49,615
Speaker 6: Us, thanks, Peter.

923
00:54:49,735 --> 00:54:53,215
Speaker 2: Good to be here right. So how long has jframe

924
00:54:53,375 --> 00:54:56,975
Speaker 2: been part of the leisure Coom system and what initiated

925
00:54:57,015 --> 00:54:57,495
Speaker 2: the change?

926
00:54:59,135 --> 00:55:02,535
Speaker 12: Good question, Peter, leisure Coom decided to move from the

927
00:55:02,655 --> 00:55:07,735
Speaker 12: traditional SGA to Jframe about sixty seven years go for

928
00:55:07,935 --> 00:55:10,455
Speaker 12: all our new home builds, which was very much driven

929
00:55:10,775 --> 00:55:15,855
Speaker 12: to continue to deliver superior built home batch for our

930
00:55:15,935 --> 00:55:19,855
Speaker 12: longevity and maintenance free in utilizing the strong product.

931
00:55:21,095 --> 00:55:23,375
Speaker 2: So what stood out for you and the team at

932
00:55:23,415 --> 00:55:26,655
Speaker 2: leisure con when you first started using j Frank What changed?

933
00:55:28,135 --> 00:55:33,735
Speaker 12: The real standout was the accuracy and the timbersizing that

934
00:55:33,855 --> 00:55:37,095
Speaker 12: we found dimensionally true and straight due to it being

935
00:55:37,135 --> 00:55:41,615
Speaker 12: a manufactured product. This really saved us substantial time in

936
00:55:41,735 --> 00:55:45,495
Speaker 12: straightening our homes and ready for pre liners. You'd understand

937
00:55:45,615 --> 00:55:49,415
Speaker 12: to get through the inspections. Well, a part that we

938
00:55:49,615 --> 00:55:52,895
Speaker 12: saw then was they stayed true and straight, so our

939
00:55:53,015 --> 00:55:56,775
Speaker 12: homes stay at a really high quality without that movement

940
00:55:56,975 --> 00:55:58,975
Speaker 12: over the seasonal on climate changes.

941
00:56:00,255 --> 00:56:01,415
Speaker 6: Our final part was.

942
00:56:01,535 --> 00:56:07,095
Speaker 12: The reliable and with straight and durable products that again

943
00:56:07,215 --> 00:56:10,655
Speaker 12: aligns with our quality and per who toicoa frame and

944
00:56:10,695 --> 00:56:14,495
Speaker 12: trust who make and manufacture our frames do a great

945
00:56:14,575 --> 00:56:17,095
Speaker 12: job in delivering us a good product because of.

946
00:56:17,095 --> 00:56:18,855
Speaker 2: Course, you know, we're all used to a bit of movement,

947
00:56:18,975 --> 00:56:20,895
Speaker 2: but most of us don't put our houses on a

948
00:56:20,975 --> 00:56:24,095
Speaker 2: barge and move it around. So you're transporting the houses,

949
00:56:24,135 --> 00:56:25,815
Speaker 2: so they've got to be particularly rigid.

950
00:56:27,255 --> 00:56:28,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's correct.

951
00:56:28,255 --> 00:56:32,135
Speaker 12: We're probably the building company who tests the strength of

952
00:56:32,175 --> 00:56:36,415
Speaker 12: our house the most, and again the strength of Jayframe

953
00:56:36,855 --> 00:56:40,775
Speaker 12: is what really comes into play. We know as a

954
00:56:40,855 --> 00:56:43,935
Speaker 12: business we can be really confident whether we're transporting the

955
00:56:44,015 --> 00:56:47,015
Speaker 12: homes anywhere in the North Island, putting them on a barge,

956
00:56:47,815 --> 00:56:50,535
Speaker 12: or we do two story modular homes, so we crane

957
00:56:50,575 --> 00:56:54,535
Speaker 12: them into position as well and end product great condition,

958
00:56:54,855 --> 00:56:55,975
Speaker 12: really happy clients.

959
00:56:56,455 --> 00:56:59,295
Speaker 2: So any tips for builders listening today that might be

960
00:56:59,415 --> 00:57:00,255
Speaker 2: new to Jframe.

961
00:57:01,815 --> 00:57:04,615
Speaker 12: Yeah, I thought a bit about this question and it's

962
00:57:04,695 --> 00:57:07,895
Speaker 12: pretty simple really. If you want to build a great product,

963
00:57:08,175 --> 00:57:10,815
Speaker 12: Jay Frame is one of the key products to achieve

964
00:57:10,895 --> 00:57:13,095
Speaker 12: that true and accurate built home.

965
00:57:13,215 --> 00:57:14,735
Speaker 6: You know it's faultless.

966
00:57:14,775 --> 00:57:18,895
Speaker 2: Really, hey, now, leisure Com, what's different about your modular

967
00:57:18,935 --> 00:57:20,135
Speaker 2: and relocatable homes?

968
00:57:22,215 --> 00:57:24,095
Speaker 12: I had a whole page to go here, mate, so

969
00:57:24,135 --> 00:57:25,855
Speaker 12: I had to shorten it up a little bit. But

970
00:57:26,615 --> 00:57:30,175
Speaker 12: look a couple of key points. Leisure COM's quality finishes

971
00:57:30,335 --> 00:57:33,655
Speaker 12: before the build leaves our factory at how tapoo fully

972
00:57:33,735 --> 00:57:37,215
Speaker 12: complete code of compliance. You know, this can include toll showers,

973
00:57:37,535 --> 00:57:42,335
Speaker 12: whatever the client wants. And another real standout is our

974
00:57:42,415 --> 00:57:45,135
Speaker 12: on site management team that allows us to take the

975
00:57:45,215 --> 00:57:49,215
Speaker 12: build through to fu turnkey contracts for clients, which is

976
00:57:49,255 --> 00:57:52,495
Speaker 12: a real plus, and they know that the total build

977
00:57:52,695 --> 00:57:55,135
Speaker 12: is being managed from start to finish in a timely manner.

978
00:57:56,775 --> 00:57:59,135
Speaker 12: You know, when you reflect back something that I sort

979
00:57:59,175 --> 00:58:02,335
Speaker 12: of reflected on myself that we're really proud of, and

980
00:58:03,095 --> 00:58:06,215
Speaker 12: Rob the director says a lot is our referral rate

981
00:58:06,535 --> 00:58:08,935
Speaker 12: that we get from past clients, and I just think

982
00:58:08,975 --> 00:58:11,295
Speaker 12: it's a real testament to the twenty five years of

983
00:58:11,375 --> 00:58:12,655
Speaker 12: leisure Common business one.

984
00:58:13,775 --> 00:58:15,415
Speaker 2: Now, we know it's been tough, but what do you

985
00:58:15,495 --> 00:58:17,815
Speaker 2: reckon twenty twenty six looks like for leisure.

986
00:58:17,615 --> 00:58:21,815
Speaker 12: Com as I just said, first and foremost, we're celebrating

987
00:58:21,895 --> 00:58:24,855
Speaker 12: twenty five years in business this year, which is pretty

988
00:58:24,895 --> 00:58:27,655
Speaker 12: exciting and shows a pretty good strength of our brand.

989
00:58:28,695 --> 00:58:31,815
Speaker 12: We're always looking to progress in our industry where the

990
00:58:31,855 --> 00:58:34,975
Speaker 12: builds are first home buyers, beach homes, multi level, and

991
00:58:35,175 --> 00:58:37,615
Speaker 12: we were trying to be at the forefront. I guess

992
00:58:38,975 --> 00:58:42,055
Speaker 12: in a reflection, we're just prepared for another challenging year,

993
00:58:42,215 --> 00:58:44,895
Speaker 12: but excited about more people choosing to have a home

994
00:58:44,975 --> 00:58:48,695
Speaker 12: built in a controlled environment like ours to avoid the

995
00:58:48,775 --> 00:58:52,455
Speaker 12: modern weather patterns, costly delays and see some real growth

996
00:58:52,575 --> 00:58:54,935
Speaker 12: back in our industry for an exciting year.

997
00:58:55,215 --> 00:58:58,015
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Hey, what's the best way for listeners to get

998
00:58:58,015 --> 00:58:58,975
Speaker 2: a hold of you?

999
00:59:00,415 --> 00:59:03,335
Speaker 12: Either check out our website dub dub dub dot leisurecom,

1000
00:59:03,415 --> 00:59:05,535
Speaker 12: dot co, dot m Z, or give us a call

1001
00:59:05,655 --> 00:59:07,695
Speaker 12: for a chat with any any of the team here

1002
00:59:08,295 --> 00:59:11,735
Speaker 12: seven eight two three, five nine five one and will

1003
00:59:11,815 --> 00:59:15,615
Speaker 12: help guide anyone through the process right from the start. Mate.

1004
00:59:16,095 --> 00:59:18,535
Speaker 2: Awesome to talk with you, Kevin, Thanks very much, and

1005
00:59:18,655 --> 00:59:21,495
Speaker 2: folks to learn more about DU can check out JNL

1006
00:59:21,735 --> 00:59:22,735
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz.

1007
00:59:24,015 --> 00:59:27,495
Speaker 1: You're news helping you get those DIY projects done right.

1008
00:59:27,735 --> 00:59:31,015
Speaker 1: The resident builder with Beata wolfscaff call, oh, eight hundred

1009
00:59:31,135 --> 00:59:31,735
Speaker 1: eighty eight.

1010
00:59:31,935 --> 00:59:34,735
Speaker 2: You've talk zb keen to get cracking, keen to get

1011
00:59:34,775 --> 00:59:37,495
Speaker 2: cracking at a seven thirty just on the garden sheds.

1012
00:59:37,495 --> 00:59:40,175
Speaker 2: Because we had that long conversation with Dennis about a

1013
00:59:40,375 --> 00:59:43,775
Speaker 2: neighbor who is building what they can see as a

1014
00:59:43,975 --> 00:59:48,535
Speaker 2: four meter long structure pretty much right on the boundary

1015
00:59:49,455 --> 00:59:51,935
Speaker 2: or adjacent the boundary. So the new rule changes as

1016
00:59:51,975 --> 00:59:54,735
Speaker 2: announced by the government and came into place at the

1017
00:59:54,815 --> 00:59:58,135
Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty five. A single you can build

1018
00:59:58,215 --> 01:00:02,055
Speaker 2: a single story detached building between ten and thirty square

1019
01:00:02,135 --> 01:00:05,255
Speaker 2: meters in floor area one meter away from the boundary,

1020
01:00:05,415 --> 01:00:09,415
Speaker 2: or any other building without a building consent. You can

1021
01:00:09,575 --> 01:00:14,535
Speaker 2: build a single story detached building under ten square meters

1022
01:00:15,175 --> 01:00:18,815
Speaker 2: up to the boundary, or another building without a building consent.

1023
01:00:19,015 --> 01:00:21,855
Speaker 2: So depending on the depth of the building that the

1024
01:00:21,975 --> 01:00:26,655
Speaker 2: neighbor in this particular instance is building, it might actually

1025
01:00:26,735 --> 01:00:29,815
Speaker 2: be compliant, as in if it's less than ten square meters.

1026
01:00:30,055 --> 01:00:31,975
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing with the ten square meters is

1027
01:00:32,095 --> 01:00:36,455
Speaker 2: it's measured inside the building line or inside the actual framing,

1028
01:00:36,615 --> 01:00:39,855
Speaker 2: so it's ten square meters of usable space. So you

1029
01:00:39,975 --> 01:00:42,655
Speaker 2: add let's say, you know, one hundred millimeters around the

1030
01:00:42,695 --> 01:00:46,255
Speaker 2: perimeter for your framing. That's not included in the way

1031
01:00:46,335 --> 01:00:51,255
Speaker 2: that they calculate these things. I can't figure that out either,

1032
01:00:51,415 --> 01:00:54,055
Speaker 2: to be fair, if that confuses you. But ten square

1033
01:00:54,095 --> 01:00:57,615
Speaker 2: meters up on the boundary, it's legal. Oh eight hundred

1034
01:00:57,695 --> 01:01:01,375
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty the number to call Dan, Good morning, Hi,

1035
01:01:01,535 --> 01:01:03,415
Speaker 2: morning money. How can I help?

1036
01:01:03,615 --> 01:01:06,975
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, yes, we have a question.

1037
01:01:07,375 --> 01:01:10,495
Speaker 13: Is like, actually, we have a problem this week from

1038
01:01:10,615 --> 01:01:14,335
Speaker 13: Tuesday is our water supply to our house is being

1039
01:01:14,455 --> 01:01:17,935
Speaker 13: cut out. And it turned out it's like an electrical

1040
01:01:18,055 --> 01:01:21,775
Speaker 13: contractor working in our driveway and dug a dug the

1041
01:01:21,975 --> 01:01:25,375
Speaker 13: power trench and for the neighbors like a new renovation

1042
01:01:25,535 --> 01:01:29,415
Speaker 13: house connection. And when they when they is dug the trenches,

1043
01:01:29,495 --> 01:01:32,735
Speaker 13: they didn't tell us. And also apparently they when they

1044
01:01:32,855 --> 01:01:35,775
Speaker 13: dug the trench because the trench power trench is very

1045
01:01:35,815 --> 01:01:39,415
Speaker 13: close to the water supply and near the top topic box.

1046
01:01:40,415 --> 01:01:44,615
Speaker 13: So yeah, so so basically they've broken that the pipe

1047
01:01:44,775 --> 01:01:48,415
Speaker 13: water pipes connection on the top of box. And and

1048
01:01:48,655 --> 01:01:51,375
Speaker 13: I just I just because we don't get any like

1049
01:01:51,455 --> 01:01:55,735
Speaker 13: a notification or anything like anything, and so I just

1050
01:01:55,815 --> 01:01:59,295
Speaker 13: want to make check with you. It's like say from

1051
01:01:59,335 --> 01:02:01,255
Speaker 13: a beauty point of view. It's like saying, is that

1052
01:02:01,415 --> 01:02:04,215
Speaker 13: is that legal? Like say, you know, like you know

1053
01:02:04,415 --> 01:02:08,655
Speaker 13: they I understand they want to connect power, but but

1054
01:02:08,935 --> 01:02:12,415
Speaker 13: it's illegal. They they jump in your driveway and and

1055
01:02:12,495 --> 01:02:15,015
Speaker 13: then that that would be nice and leave up the

1056
01:02:15,095 --> 01:02:18,215
Speaker 13: power part of the concrete and c and then like

1057
01:02:18,455 --> 01:02:20,935
Speaker 13: then they broke it or water supply and then they

1058
01:02:21,055 --> 01:02:23,135
Speaker 13: then they just have to connect to the Unison like a.

1059
01:02:23,135 --> 01:02:26,615
Speaker 2: Network's definitely inside your boundary.

1060
01:02:27,695 --> 01:02:30,455
Speaker 13: It's it's individual driveway. We've got a fence like on

1061
01:02:30,615 --> 01:02:33,695
Speaker 13: both sides. Yes, that's definitely a clear mark. It's like

1062
01:02:33,815 --> 01:02:37,735
Speaker 13: individual driveway. I have spoken. I have spoken to the

1063
01:02:38,335 --> 01:02:41,215
Speaker 13: Sorry I know, I have spoken to Unison. Yes, Unison

1064
01:02:41,255 --> 01:02:44,455
Speaker 13: definitely they fed back to me. They will like investigate

1065
01:02:44,535 --> 01:02:47,055
Speaker 13: the one. And I also try to fire a message

1066
01:02:47,175 --> 01:02:50,055
Speaker 13: to the to the electric company because they're not working

1067
01:02:50,095 --> 01:02:52,575
Speaker 13: for me, they're working from my neighbors. But but I

1068
01:02:52,655 --> 01:02:55,455
Speaker 13: have no feedback at all. So I just right now,

1069
01:02:55,535 --> 01:02:59,455
Speaker 13: we we've been we've been in this very hot citizen

1070
01:02:59,575 --> 01:03:03,015
Speaker 13: because I when the situation keptened and I contacted the

1071
01:03:03,095 --> 01:03:06,775
Speaker 13: city council. They send the water team here. They fixed there.

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Speaker 13: Whether that we can see apparent like a you know,

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01:03:09,575 --> 01:03:13,055
Speaker 13: a larm breckage. They fixed that one, but after that,

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01:03:13,295 --> 01:03:15,895
Speaker 13: we don't have enough water supply. I have to call

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01:03:16,055 --> 01:03:18,735
Speaker 13: council in the last three days, like I said, maybe

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01:03:18,775 --> 01:03:24,255
Speaker 13: two or three times. So the preliminary conclusion is like

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01:03:24,855 --> 01:03:28,255
Speaker 13: when the initial bridgage happened, there may be some solid

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01:03:28,375 --> 01:03:31,495
Speaker 13: stone or debrise mixed it into the you know, like

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01:03:31,735 --> 01:03:34,975
Speaker 13: the water supply pipe. So maybe it's stuck somewhere in

1080
01:03:35,095 --> 01:03:37,215
Speaker 13: the in our water supply line. So that's why we

1081
01:03:37,295 --> 01:03:40,015
Speaker 13: don't have enough flow or low pressure for the house.

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01:03:40,655 --> 01:03:43,775
Speaker 13: And it really makes us miserable right now in the house,

1083
01:03:43,855 --> 01:03:47,615
Speaker 13: if someone flash toilet, we can't take a shower, take

1084
01:03:47,655 --> 01:03:51,095
Speaker 13: a tape for cooking, we can't take a watch missing.

1085
01:03:51,335 --> 01:03:53,215
Speaker 13: It's kind of like a really, I just want to

1086
01:03:53,295 --> 01:03:55,695
Speaker 13: know that's you know, who should I know?

1087
01:03:55,935 --> 01:03:58,775
Speaker 2: Who do you go to? I wonder whether you know,

1088
01:03:58,855 --> 01:04:01,335
Speaker 2: if if the building work that's going on next door

1089
01:04:01,655 --> 01:04:04,895
Speaker 2: is being done, you know, by a private individual or

1090
01:04:05,015 --> 01:04:07,935
Speaker 2: by a development company or something. I would probably go

1091
01:04:08,215 --> 01:04:12,615
Speaker 2: to the project manager of the development and say, hey, look,

1092
01:04:12,695 --> 01:04:16,895
Speaker 2: this is my problem, and your contractors working on your

1093
01:04:16,975 --> 01:04:22,095
Speaker 2: behalf have damaged my water pipe. And while it's been fixed,

1094
01:04:22,175 --> 01:04:26,095
Speaker 2: I've still got issues and so you know, I'm basically

1095
01:04:26,135 --> 01:04:29,135
Speaker 2: I'm going to hold you responsibility your contractors working on

1096
01:04:29,255 --> 01:04:33,535
Speaker 2: your behalf and hopefully they can then put some pressure

1097
01:04:33,615 --> 01:04:38,815
Speaker 2: on the contractors to come back and fix it. You know,

1098
01:04:38,895 --> 01:04:40,615
Speaker 2: I think you've got to be really clear as to

1099
01:04:40,735 --> 01:04:45,575
Speaker 2: where the boundary where. Like if we're was undertaken on

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01:04:45,815 --> 01:04:51,255
Speaker 2: your property without your permission, then effectively that's trespas if

1101
01:04:51,535 --> 01:04:54,495
Speaker 2: for example, it's on the crossing in a public area

1102
01:04:54,615 --> 01:04:57,495
Speaker 2: outside your property, then it's not.

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01:04:57,655 --> 01:05:03,295
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's not definitely not trespass because then yes, the

1104
01:05:03,415 --> 01:05:05,975
Speaker 13: part of the dug a dwy country, so I think

1105
01:05:05,975 --> 01:05:09,175
Speaker 13: you know he's inside of the mail box, is you know,

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01:05:09,375 --> 01:05:12,215
Speaker 13: just like to say maybe that's that's why when the

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01:05:12,415 --> 01:05:15,175
Speaker 13: contractor started there could be a partulic transplant, but not

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01:05:15,335 --> 01:05:18,135
Speaker 13: really because even the console came here, like they say,

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01:05:18,375 --> 01:05:21,295
Speaker 13: the initial brickage you said, like it is it is

1110
01:05:21,615 --> 01:05:25,335
Speaker 13: in the house side of the tobby box, which is

1111
01:05:25,495 --> 01:05:27,815
Speaker 13: literally like I can't need to say, oh, that's not

1112
01:05:27,895 --> 01:05:29,535
Speaker 13: our problem because that's you know.

1113
01:05:29,655 --> 01:05:32,975
Speaker 2: And that's that's the typical guidance. So from where your

1114
01:05:33,055 --> 01:05:36,295
Speaker 2: toby is or where the valve is, even if that's

1115
01:05:36,335 --> 01:05:39,535
Speaker 2: slightly outside of your boundary on public land, anything from

1116
01:05:39,615 --> 01:05:44,175
Speaker 2: the toby to your property is your responsibility. But if

1117
01:05:44,255 --> 01:05:47,095
Speaker 2: somebody else has damaged that, then you've got to sheet

1118
01:05:47,175 --> 01:05:51,015
Speaker 2: that responsibility back to them. So I think you know

1119
01:05:52,135 --> 01:05:53,935
Speaker 2: it's going to be really hard to get people. This

1120
01:05:54,135 --> 01:05:55,215
Speaker 2: is always the issue.

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01:05:55,295 --> 01:05:55,415
Speaker 4: Right.

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01:05:55,855 --> 01:05:58,495
Speaker 2: People make mistakes. We all make mistakes. The important thing

1123
01:05:58,615 --> 01:06:02,175
Speaker 2: is putting it right, and part of that is accepting

1124
01:06:02,215 --> 01:06:05,615
Speaker 2: that you've made a mistake. So if they won't accept it,

1125
01:06:05,695 --> 01:06:08,855
Speaker 2: I think you need put pressure on the project manager

1126
01:06:08,975 --> 01:06:12,855
Speaker 2: of the development to resolve that. So that that's where

1127
01:06:12,855 --> 01:06:16,535
Speaker 2: I would focus my attention and be just a complete

1128
01:06:16,655 --> 01:06:19,135
Speaker 2: nut of pain in the backside to the project manager

1129
01:06:19,535 --> 01:06:21,895
Speaker 2: until they sort it out. So good luck with that.

1130
01:06:22,775 --> 01:06:26,695
Speaker 2: I can understand the frustration, and if there's a blockage

1131
01:06:26,735 --> 01:06:29,695
Speaker 2: then you know they need to send someone to fix it,

1132
01:06:30,295 --> 01:06:33,055
Speaker 2: is the idea, But focus on the project manager. Good

1133
01:06:33,135 --> 01:06:35,135
Speaker 2: luck with that, Dan. It is seven thirty seven here

1134
01:06:35,175 --> 01:06:37,015
Speaker 2: at Newstalk, said be Sherry, good morning to you.

1135
01:06:37,975 --> 01:06:39,015
Speaker 7: We've got a lot of calls.

1136
01:06:39,135 --> 01:06:46,695
Speaker 2: Good how are you, Sherry? Hello? Hello, yes, hello, greeting Shelley.

1137
01:06:46,815 --> 01:06:47,935
Speaker 2: Sorry my apologies.

1138
01:06:48,535 --> 01:06:51,615
Speaker 7: That's okay, all good, but I'm not I'm just willing

1139
01:06:51,735 --> 01:06:54,975
Speaker 7: because we've got a walking shower and it's all tiled.

1140
01:06:55,055 --> 01:06:58,295
Speaker 7: The bathroom for is all tiled, yes, and the showers

1141
01:06:58,295 --> 01:07:01,055
Speaker 7: all chiled. Now we've just noticed there's sort of two

1142
01:07:01,095 --> 01:07:04,095
Speaker 7: of the walls a tile wright then there's a glass

1143
01:07:04,175 --> 01:07:06,255
Speaker 7: panel and they need.

1144
01:07:06,175 --> 01:07:06,895
Speaker 9: To walk straight in.

1145
01:07:07,775 --> 01:07:11,895
Speaker 7: But around each of the where the shower goes into

1146
01:07:11,935 --> 01:07:14,815
Speaker 7: the wall where the walls walls are, some of the

1147
01:07:14,935 --> 01:07:17,495
Speaker 7: tiles appear to have cracks in them, and we're not

1148
01:07:17,895 --> 01:07:19,815
Speaker 7: too sure what to do about that. We do have

1149
01:07:20,335 --> 01:07:23,335
Speaker 7: whether something you know, where we can replace them, and

1150
01:07:23,415 --> 01:07:27,895
Speaker 7: we do have some spare tiles that would match. Yeah,

1151
01:07:28,255 --> 01:07:30,015
Speaker 7: what what do you think?

1152
01:07:30,575 --> 01:07:34,055
Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, a tile will develop like a very

1153
01:07:34,215 --> 01:07:38,655
Speaker 2: fine hairline crack, and it's there could be any number

1154
01:07:38,695 --> 01:07:42,095
Speaker 2: of explanations for that, but they do that. They don't dislodge,

1155
01:07:42,175 --> 01:07:45,175
Speaker 2: they don't they're not displaced like one side isn't higher

1156
01:07:45,215 --> 01:07:47,175
Speaker 2: than the other or anything like that. It's just a

1157
01:07:47,335 --> 01:07:53,975
Speaker 2: very fine crack in the tile. And arguably it's just cosmetic, right,

1158
01:07:54,135 --> 01:07:57,215
Speaker 2: It's it's not going to impact on the waterproofing or

1159
01:07:57,295 --> 01:08:00,175
Speaker 2: the integrity of the waterproofing or anything like that. It's

1160
01:08:00,335 --> 01:08:02,495
Speaker 2: just a crack in the tile. If you do want

1161
01:08:02,535 --> 01:08:04,935
Speaker 2: to go ahead and replace that tile and you happen

1162
01:08:05,015 --> 01:08:08,935
Speaker 2: to have some leftover ones, that's fine, but there is

1163
01:08:09,055 --> 01:08:12,175
Speaker 2: always a risk that when you remove that tile, you

1164
01:08:12,375 --> 01:08:18,015
Speaker 2: could potentially damage the waterproofing membrane behind it. So depending

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01:08:18,015 --> 01:08:20,135
Speaker 2: on where the tile is, like if it's you know,

1166
01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:23,455
Speaker 2: up high, and it's away from the splash area, then

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Speaker 2: you'd go, Okay, there's reasonable risk. If it's right down

1168
01:08:26,415 --> 01:08:29,895
Speaker 2: the bottom it's an area that gets saturated, you might

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01:08:30,015 --> 01:08:32,295
Speaker 2: take a sort of risk averse position and just go

1170
01:08:32,615 --> 01:08:34,335
Speaker 2: maybe I'm not going to touch that. I'm just going

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01:08:34,375 --> 01:08:37,935
Speaker 2: to leave it right. But yeah, you can replace them,

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01:08:38,655 --> 01:08:41,975
Speaker 2: but just be very cautious around not damaging the waterproofing.

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Speaker 7: Okay, And the professional person would know how to do that,

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01:08:46,415 --> 01:08:49,335
Speaker 7: how to do it. Just just sort of thinking of

1175
01:08:49,455 --> 01:08:52,455
Speaker 7: resale later on, because I think it's gone slightly and

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01:08:52,535 --> 01:08:55,615
Speaker 7: I just sort of think, gosh, what would somebody start buying,

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01:08:55,935 --> 01:08:56,735
Speaker 7: what would they think?

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Speaker 2: And look, it's one of those things too where potentially

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01:09:00,135 --> 01:09:03,375
Speaker 2: there's the cracking has occurred because the tile is sort

1180
01:09:03,415 --> 01:09:06,215
Speaker 2: of delaminated or dislodged from the adhesive, in which case

1181
01:09:06,335 --> 01:09:08,535
Speaker 2: getting it off as easier because that's what caused the

1182
01:09:08,575 --> 01:09:12,735
Speaker 2: cracking in the first place. But look, you know, suitably

1183
01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:16,615
Speaker 2: experienced professional tyler could come along and sort that out,

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01:09:16,695 --> 01:09:19,135
Speaker 2: particularly if you've kept a couple of tiles, which I

1185
01:09:19,215 --> 01:09:24,055
Speaker 2: think is always a great idea. And so yeah, you know,

1186
01:09:24,695 --> 01:09:26,535
Speaker 2: keep a box of the or half a box that's

1187
01:09:26,615 --> 01:09:28,015
Speaker 2: left over at the end of the job. Keep it

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01:09:28,135 --> 01:09:30,415
Speaker 2: somewhere in the house or in the shed, and then

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Speaker 2: if something like this happens, you've got the replacement one.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's love it. Oh, thank you so much much.

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01:09:37,375 --> 01:09:41,175
Speaker 2: Okay, all of this, take care and John, greetings to you.

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01:09:43,375 --> 01:09:47,055
Speaker 8: Hey, John, taking my call on for another bathroom and

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01:09:47,135 --> 01:09:52,375
Speaker 8: tall question for you, please sure aout. Fifteen years ago

1194
01:09:53,175 --> 01:09:58,815
Speaker 8: we refurbished our bathroom and created a walk and shower.

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01:09:59,775 --> 01:10:04,775
Speaker 8: It was all done correctly, water proofing, tile underlay, et cetera,

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01:10:05,735 --> 01:10:11,535
Speaker 8: and good subfloor. We're now planning on selling the house.

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01:10:11,735 --> 01:10:14,855
Speaker 8: But I made the mistake and I should shoot myself

1198
01:10:14,975 --> 01:10:18,295
Speaker 8: for it. But we didn't get a building consent for

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01:10:18,495 --> 01:10:22,335
Speaker 8: it at all, and I've got no photos, no proof

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01:10:22,415 --> 01:10:27,655
Speaker 8: of it. In the process of having about to have

1201
01:10:27,775 --> 01:10:34,855
Speaker 8: a meeting next week or a pre CoA YEP meeting,

1202
01:10:37,135 --> 01:10:40,015
Speaker 8: and I'll pay the three hundred dollars with the council,

1203
01:10:40,735 --> 01:10:45,815
Speaker 8: is that the correct avenue to go down the council

1204
01:10:45,975 --> 01:10:50,175
Speaker 8: give me a CoA for it, even though there's nothing visible,

1205
01:10:51,015 --> 01:10:54,895
Speaker 8: because otherwise we have to well, we've got to declear

1206
01:10:55,055 --> 01:10:59,455
Speaker 8: it to any prospective bier because we're going to put

1207
01:10:59,495 --> 01:11:00,655
Speaker 8: the house on the market.

1208
01:11:02,975 --> 01:11:06,375
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that that's your best pathway to of

1209
01:11:06,455 --> 01:11:10,055
Speaker 2: tidying up the paperwork. Basically, so the work was done,

1210
01:11:10,215 --> 01:11:12,815
Speaker 2: it did need a building consent, didn't get one. You've

1211
01:11:12,935 --> 01:11:16,055
Speaker 2: now got to provide evidence that it's compliant with the

1212
01:11:16,095 --> 01:11:21,735
Speaker 2: building code. Right, So if you unfortunately what you're saying

1213
01:11:21,815 --> 01:11:23,695
Speaker 2: is you don't have any photographs and all the rest

1214
01:11:23,735 --> 01:11:26,495
Speaker 2: of it. But if you've still got some records of

1215
01:11:26,975 --> 01:11:30,335
Speaker 2: you know, what waterproofing system was done, maybe who did

1216
01:11:30,455 --> 01:11:32,975
Speaker 2: the work, was the person who did the work licensed

1217
01:11:33,015 --> 01:11:34,655
Speaker 2: and so on, if you can put all of that

1218
01:11:34,815 --> 01:11:38,615
Speaker 2: together and essentially create a narrative or a you know,

1219
01:11:38,815 --> 01:11:40,975
Speaker 2: say to council, this is what I've done. The other

1220
01:11:41,095 --> 01:11:44,815
Speaker 2: thing is that if you can prove that it's it

1221
01:11:45,015 --> 01:11:48,135
Speaker 2: hasn't failed, then that's important as well.

1222
01:11:48,535 --> 01:11:51,255
Speaker 8: So you know, if you can say, yeah, there's no

1223
01:11:51,455 --> 01:11:53,175
Speaker 8: leakage at all whatsoever, But.

1224
01:11:53,415 --> 01:11:56,495
Speaker 2: As long as you can prove the The other thing

1225
01:11:56,615 --> 01:11:59,775
Speaker 2: is sometimes, you know, dealing with counsel is kind of

1226
01:11:59,815 --> 01:12:02,815
Speaker 2: a specialist task. So what you might find is that

1227
01:12:03,255 --> 01:12:06,135
Speaker 2: your presentation to counsel is not going to convince them,

1228
01:12:06,575 --> 01:12:09,295
Speaker 2: in which case you probably are going to end up

1229
01:12:09,455 --> 01:12:15,375
Speaker 2: engaging a professional like a registered building surveyor to put

1230
01:12:16,015 --> 01:12:20,575
Speaker 2: the case to counsel on your behalf. And I'm doing

1231
01:12:20,895 --> 01:12:24,415
Speaker 2: exactly that on a project at the moment where someone

1232
01:12:24,495 --> 01:12:26,575
Speaker 2: I know has got a shower. It didn't get a

1233
01:12:26,615 --> 01:12:30,855
Speaker 2: building consent, it did need one. We've got someone engaged

1234
01:12:30,895 --> 01:12:33,975
Speaker 2: who's a former building inspector who works in the space.

1235
01:12:34,335 --> 01:12:37,255
Speaker 2: They've come, they've inspected it, they've put together evidence, they're

1236
01:12:37,255 --> 01:12:39,455
Speaker 2: going to put a proposal to counsel in order to

1237
01:12:39,455 --> 01:12:45,175
Speaker 2: get a CoA. So yeah, you're on the right path. Okay,

1238
01:12:45,255 --> 01:12:47,375
Speaker 2: then alrighty, good luck. Let us know how you get on,

1239
01:12:47,535 --> 01:12:50,255
Speaker 2: because I do like to know how these things wrap

1240
01:12:50,375 --> 01:12:52,575
Speaker 2: up in the end. So let us know. Oh, eight

1241
01:12:52,695 --> 01:12:54,975
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

1242
01:12:54,975 --> 01:12:56,535
Speaker 2: Will come back and talk to Paul in a moment,

1243
01:12:56,775 --> 01:12:59,295
Speaker 2: remember after the break at eight o'clock. Actually, we'll probably

1244
01:13:00,535 --> 01:13:01,615
Speaker 2: take us a little while to have a bit of

1245
01:13:01,655 --> 01:13:04,375
Speaker 2: a chat with Andrew Eagles from the Green Building Council

1246
01:13:04,535 --> 01:13:08,095
Speaker 2: about twenty years of the New Zealand Green Building Council.

1247
01:13:08,175 --> 01:13:10,295
Speaker 2: That'll be up after the eight o'clock news.

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01:13:10,415 --> 01:13:14,535
Speaker 1: Back in a moment, God was but maybe called Pete

1249
01:13:14,575 --> 01:13:17,615
Speaker 1: Bird Vida Wolfcab the Resident Builder news Talk.

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01:13:17,655 --> 01:13:21,095
Speaker 2: Sa'd be a couple of people who responded to Danny's

1251
01:13:21,215 --> 01:13:26,015
Speaker 2: or Dan's issue in terms of contractor working doing electrical supply,

1252
01:13:26,375 --> 01:13:29,135
Speaker 2: cutting through or damaging the water main. Now the water

1253
01:13:29,175 --> 01:13:31,735
Speaker 2: pressure is very low, is there a possibility that there's

1254
01:13:31,815 --> 01:13:34,255
Speaker 2: some sort of sediment that's got into the line hasn't

1255
01:13:34,255 --> 01:13:38,695
Speaker 2: been flushed out properly. Yeah, that happens. Owen, regular texter

1256
01:13:39,615 --> 01:13:42,415
Speaker 2: and very experienced plumber said hey, look, you know, go

1257
01:13:42,535 --> 01:13:44,455
Speaker 2: back to basics too. Just make sure that the valve

1258
01:13:44,575 --> 01:13:47,335
Speaker 2: is fully open. Thank you very much for that. I mean, look,

1259
01:13:47,415 --> 01:13:49,735
Speaker 2: it happens people sort of turn it on but don't

1260
01:13:49,775 --> 01:13:52,455
Speaker 2: open it completely, So that could be a simple check

1261
01:13:52,615 --> 01:13:56,735
Speaker 2: as well. Phil, Good morning, Hey morning, peat a good e.

1262
01:13:57,655 --> 01:14:00,735
Speaker 14: Got a property where we have a pung of fence

1263
01:14:00,815 --> 01:14:02,975
Speaker 14: on our side and to the neighbors going up to

1264
01:14:03,015 --> 01:14:05,335
Speaker 14: the neighbor's side. It's about a meter and a half

1265
01:14:05,415 --> 01:14:07,895
Speaker 14: two meters. There's a bit of slippage of soil coming through,

1266
01:14:07,935 --> 01:14:10,535
Speaker 14: and I'm just wondering, is it correct that the high

1267
01:14:10,695 --> 01:14:13,575
Speaker 14: side is responsible for the retaining.

1268
01:14:14,055 --> 01:14:17,095
Speaker 2: No, I've never taken that approach. I've always taken the

1269
01:14:17,175 --> 01:14:20,295
Speaker 2: approach of one on which side of the boundary is it,

1270
01:14:20,895 --> 01:14:24,135
Speaker 2: and then the other one is who benefits. So typically

1271
01:14:24,255 --> 01:14:28,735
Speaker 2: people put retaining walls into benefit themselves. Right, So if

1272
01:14:29,135 --> 01:14:32,255
Speaker 2: your property is higher and you want it to be level,

1273
01:14:32,735 --> 01:14:35,255
Speaker 2: you build a retaining wall that allows you to level

1274
01:14:35,295 --> 01:14:39,255
Speaker 2: out your section, then it's your retaining wall. You're responsible

1275
01:14:39,335 --> 01:14:41,415
Speaker 2: for it because you get the benefit for it, and

1276
01:14:41,535 --> 01:14:45,655
Speaker 2: it's on your boundary. And the reverse supplies as well.

1277
01:14:45,975 --> 01:14:48,215
Speaker 2: If I know I'm on a sloping site and I've

1278
01:14:48,255 --> 01:14:50,255
Speaker 2: got a neighbor who's slightly higher, but i want to

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Speaker 2: create a flat area, I'll put a retaining wall in.

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Speaker 2: It'll be on my side of the boundary, and that

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01:14:55,495 --> 01:14:58,935
Speaker 2: allows me to excavate down and lower my level. To

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01:14:59,335 --> 01:15:02,455
Speaker 2: you for practicality, then it's my responsibility.

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01:15:02,935 --> 01:15:05,215
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, okay, good thanks.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of how I've always approached it.

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Speaker 6: Yep, Okay, good luck.

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Speaker 2: It's eleven minutes away from seven o'clock. And Paul, a

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Speaker 2: very hang on hand. What's happening here? I'm all over

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01:15:17,255 --> 01:15:20,815
Speaker 2: the place, Paul, greetings, greeting.

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Speaker 3: It's been a while since we've chatted feet, and what

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01:15:24,735 --> 01:15:30,135
Speaker 3: has found your advice to be very sound, normally sort

1291
01:15:30,175 --> 01:15:33,175
Speaker 3: of not not quite as naughty as I've been on

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01:15:33,335 --> 01:15:37,495
Speaker 3: that occasion. Do you take naughty boy calls?

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01:15:37,535 --> 01:15:41,775
Speaker 2: Oh mate, I've been there, so yeah, Kindred spirit, yes.

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01:15:41,815 --> 01:15:43,615
Speaker 11: Go for it, all right.

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01:15:44,695 --> 01:15:50,015
Speaker 3: I've got a two two well a property but on

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01:15:50,175 --> 01:15:57,255
Speaker 3: two separate titles. And I went ahead when they announced

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01:15:57,295 --> 01:16:00,055
Speaker 3: a steady square met a building thing where you could

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01:16:00,095 --> 01:16:05,375
Speaker 3: build a separate dwelling and whatnot. And and the first

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01:16:05,415 --> 01:16:08,175
Speaker 3: thing I did is a a surveyor and the survey

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01:16:08,335 --> 01:16:11,735
Speaker 3: the property before I started putting one point eight met

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01:16:11,775 --> 01:16:16,815
Speaker 3: a fence fences up around the property to demarcate the

1302
01:16:18,535 --> 01:16:22,055
Speaker 3: boundaries and whatnot, and and made sure I wasn't building

1303
01:16:22,135 --> 01:16:27,415
Speaker 3: fences on neighbors property causing other issues. And also had

1304
01:16:27,535 --> 01:16:33,975
Speaker 3: the survey survey the concept of two of these square

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01:16:34,055 --> 01:16:39,615
Speaker 3: meeta dwellings, and and he did that which which I've

1306
01:16:39,695 --> 01:16:43,375
Speaker 3: got he's registered to they you know, quite respected around

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01:16:43,455 --> 01:16:51,135
Speaker 3: town and anyway, a lot of bit trigger happy, and

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01:16:52,935 --> 01:16:56,295
Speaker 3: I think and I got told that the thirty square

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01:16:56,375 --> 01:17:00,455
Speaker 3: MEAs will. Initially there was no kitchen allowed in the

1310
01:17:01,415 --> 01:17:05,255
Speaker 3: in the dwelling, and I went had a meeting with

1311
01:17:05,375 --> 01:17:08,255
Speaker 3: a council and they said, you have just make sure

1312
01:17:08,335 --> 01:17:11,775
Speaker 3: that when you do the drawing to put the council,

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01:17:11,975 --> 01:17:16,655
Speaker 3: don't put a kitchen in the drawing. And oh yeah, yeah,

1314
01:17:17,055 --> 01:17:21,055
Speaker 3: you know. So anyway, I went built the thing, put

1315
01:17:21,095 --> 01:17:24,575
Speaker 3: the kitchen in as you'd expect for being a naughty boy.

1316
01:17:25,615 --> 01:17:29,255
Speaker 3: And and now I'm in a situation where I've got

1317
01:17:29,335 --> 01:17:39,455
Speaker 3: two thirty square meter dwellings situated on piles, built by

1318
01:17:39,575 --> 01:17:46,895
Speaker 3: a licensed building practitioner. Plumbing was done by a registered

1319
01:17:47,535 --> 01:17:55,495
Speaker 3: local registered plumber, as was the electrical work. But as

1320
01:17:55,615 --> 01:17:58,415
Speaker 3: for talking to council, that was the last conversation that

1321
01:17:58,535 --> 01:18:01,495
Speaker 3: I had was a meeting with them, and they said, well,

1322
01:18:01,535 --> 01:18:04,415
Speaker 3: you can clearly put two thirty square meter dwellings there,

1323
01:18:05,095 --> 01:18:06,855
Speaker 3: don't put a kitchen in warrants.

1324
01:18:08,935 --> 01:18:12,095
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit surprised that the advice from the

1325
01:18:12,135 --> 01:18:15,695
Speaker 2: council official, knowing that that your intention was to create

1326
01:18:15,735 --> 01:18:19,335
Speaker 2: a habitable, self contained flat and then they're kind of

1327
01:18:19,415 --> 01:18:22,455
Speaker 2: telling you to be a bit tricky and he look,

1328
01:18:22,935 --> 01:18:24,655
Speaker 2: we know you're going to do it, just don't tell

1329
01:18:24,735 --> 01:18:28,935
Speaker 2: us you're going to do it. And then, I mean

1330
01:18:29,175 --> 01:18:33,175
Speaker 2: it's deceptive, isn't it, in the sense that you've gone

1331
01:18:33,175 --> 01:18:35,055
Speaker 2: ahead and done something that they've kind of with a

1332
01:18:35,135 --> 01:18:38,135
Speaker 2: nudge at a way. Yeah, and now they're probably not

1333
01:18:38,215 --> 01:18:38,735
Speaker 2: happy with you.

1334
01:18:40,055 --> 01:18:47,535
Speaker 3: Well, they're surely unhappy. They Well the lady, the lady

1335
01:18:47,535 --> 01:18:51,615
Speaker 3: who's the head plainer there, said, she said, well, why

1336
01:18:51,655 --> 01:18:54,295
Speaker 3: don't we to have a meeting sometime. Well, let's have

1337
01:18:54,375 --> 01:19:02,095
Speaker 3: a meeting about the susteenth of June when everything set down, Yeah,

1338
01:19:02,255 --> 01:19:04,415
Speaker 3: which I thought was quite And that was back in

1339
01:19:06,415 --> 01:19:08,895
Speaker 3: December when she said that meeting day.

1340
01:19:09,855 --> 01:19:12,095
Speaker 2: Can I just ask a quick question. I'm a little

1341
01:19:12,095 --> 01:19:14,455
Speaker 2: bit curious as to why the survey didn't inform you,

1342
01:19:15,135 --> 01:19:16,815
Speaker 2: you know, if you were surveying it and going, I'm

1343
01:19:16,855 --> 01:19:19,775
Speaker 2: going to do two thirty square meter structures when my

1344
01:19:19,935 --> 01:19:22,415
Speaker 2: understanding is the guidance is very clear, so it's just

1345
01:19:22,695 --> 01:19:26,335
Speaker 2: one that you're allowed to do. Or was this a

1346
01:19:26,455 --> 01:19:31,575
Speaker 2: blank piece of end because each each each title has

1347
01:19:31,655 --> 01:19:32,455
Speaker 2: its own one on it.

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01:19:33,015 --> 01:19:40,135
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, so there's two separate titles. Sure, it just

1349
01:19:40,255 --> 01:19:44,335
Speaker 3: happens to be a duplex with two totally separate titles.

1350
01:19:44,535 --> 01:19:48,255
Speaker 2: And each of those titles now has one additional thirty

1351
01:19:48,295 --> 01:19:49,855
Speaker 2: square meter structure on it.

1352
01:19:50,335 --> 01:19:57,215
Speaker 3: Yes it does. Yes, Okay, like I've got a fair

1353
01:19:57,255 --> 01:20:01,855
Speaker 3: bit of time given fifteenth of June. You know, they're

1354
01:20:01,895 --> 01:20:05,535
Speaker 3: obviously not stressing out about it, because it'd be wond

1355
01:20:06,375 --> 01:20:10,215
Speaker 3: on Monday morning, you know. So I've been called the

1356
01:20:10,295 --> 01:20:14,455
Speaker 3: principal's office, really and anyway.

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01:20:16,375 --> 01:20:18,775
Speaker 2: I've only got a minute to go. I'm just so,

1358
01:20:19,095 --> 01:20:21,735
Speaker 2: is your intention with these thirty square meter buildings to

1359
01:20:21,975 --> 01:20:25,375
Speaker 2: have each of them as a habitable space, So it'll

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01:20:25,415 --> 01:20:27,495
Speaker 2: have a kitchen in it, it'll have shower and toilet

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01:20:28,295 --> 01:20:29,815
Speaker 2: it self contained.

1362
01:20:30,455 --> 01:20:33,975
Speaker 3: And toilet and whatnot. And that was allowed under the

1363
01:20:34,335 --> 01:20:35,615
Speaker 3: rules according to them.

1364
01:20:36,615 --> 01:20:39,975
Speaker 2: Well no it wasn't. That's only now become the rules.

1365
01:20:40,655 --> 01:20:42,895
Speaker 2: So that's the thing. So you could build you could

1366
01:20:42,935 --> 01:20:46,135
Speaker 2: build up to thirty square meters as a sleepout, but

1367
01:20:46,335 --> 01:20:50,015
Speaker 2: it specifically excluded having any sanitary fittings.

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01:20:50,815 --> 01:20:55,695
Speaker 3: Well, their understanding or her understanding the Pead planet there

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01:20:56,535 --> 01:20:58,615
Speaker 3: was that you could have a shower and a toilet

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01:20:59,335 --> 01:21:02,895
Speaker 3: and a wash basin in the thirty.

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Speaker 2: Square meters if you've got a building consent for it.

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01:21:07,295 --> 01:21:12,095
Speaker 3: No, I needed a building concent and result consent once

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01:21:12,175 --> 01:21:13,375
Speaker 3: I had a kitchen to it.

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Speaker 2: And that runs completely counter to everything that I've understood

1375
01:21:19,735 --> 01:21:22,775
Speaker 2: about the building, you know, the Building Act and the

1376
01:21:22,815 --> 01:21:27,175
Speaker 2: building requirements for standalone dwellings and so on up until now.

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01:21:28,055 --> 01:21:29,295
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm lucky to have.

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01:21:33,335 --> 01:21:35,855
Speaker 2: If so, get them to sign it straight away and

1379
01:21:36,255 --> 01:21:38,735
Speaker 2: all your problems are solved. But I don't know that

1380
01:21:38,855 --> 01:21:43,975
Speaker 2: that's going to be the situation. The whole point of

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01:21:44,015 --> 01:21:47,815
Speaker 2: the grani Felt legislation is to free up the opportunity

1382
01:21:47,935 --> 01:21:52,175
Speaker 2: for people to build a compliant building, hopefully compliant without

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01:21:52,255 --> 01:21:56,015
Speaker 2: necessarily requiring a consent. But it's only now become law.

1384
01:21:56,375 --> 01:21:59,135
Speaker 2: Prior to becoming law, it was a well I.

1385
01:21:59,215 --> 01:22:00,815
Speaker 3: Jumped again on the law thing.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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01:22:02,575 --> 01:22:05,895
Speaker 2: It's like saying, officer, I'm on the motorway. Apparently it's

1388
01:22:05,935 --> 01:22:08,495
Speaker 2: going to age to one hundred and ten at some time,

1389
01:22:08,975 --> 01:22:11,135
Speaker 2: and I'm doing one hundred and nine right now. Please

1390
01:22:11,175 --> 01:22:11,975
Speaker 2: don't give me a ticket.

1391
01:22:12,015 --> 01:22:12,175
Speaker 6: Now.

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01:22:12,895 --> 01:22:14,695
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting a house.

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01:22:14,935 --> 01:22:18,615
Speaker 2: Please don't leave it too long till we talk again,

1394
01:22:18,895 --> 01:22:22,175
Speaker 2: because I'd be very, very interested to see how this

1395
01:22:22,495 --> 01:22:26,295
Speaker 2: washes up. Thank you very much for that, righty oh,

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Speaker 2: after the break, we're going to take some time to

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Speaker 2: chat with Andrew Eagles from the New Zealand Green Building Council.

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Speaker 2: They're celebrating twenty years and there's there's a number of

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01:22:36,655 --> 01:22:38,895
Speaker 2: milestones that we want to recognize, so looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: After new Sporting, we're the top of the are at

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01:22:41,215 --> 01:22:42,095
Speaker 2: eight o'clock.

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01:22:45,775 --> 01:22:48,375
Speaker 1: Doing other house sorting the garden. Last Pete for a

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01:22:48,455 --> 01:22:51,895
Speaker 1: hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call oh eight

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01:22:52,535 --> 01:22:54,295
Speaker 1: eight eighty News Talks, that'd.

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01:22:54,135 --> 01:22:56,535
Speaker 2: Be your news talk said, be welcome back to the show.

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01:22:56,615 --> 01:23:00,095
Speaker 2: Remember at around eight thirty this morning, we will have

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01:23:00,215 --> 01:23:02,695
Speaker 2: Root Climb pasted as always joining us. So we're into

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01:23:02,735 --> 01:23:05,295
Speaker 2: the garden with Ridge from eight point thirty. But right

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01:23:05,335 --> 01:23:07,335
Speaker 2: now I wanted to take a little bit of time

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Speaker 2: today on the show to have a chat with Andrew Eagles.

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01:23:11,015 --> 01:23:14,095
Speaker 2: Andrew is the chief executive of the New Zealand Green

1412
01:23:14,215 --> 01:23:19,055
Speaker 2: Building Council. And Andrew to explain what the New Zealand

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01:23:19,175 --> 01:23:22,855
Speaker 2: Green Building Council is and what they do. My own

1414
01:23:22,975 --> 01:23:27,295
Speaker 2: engagement with them extends back to I should look it up.

1415
01:23:27,335 --> 01:23:30,335
Speaker 2: It was like twelve thirteen years ago where I went

1416
01:23:30,415 --> 01:23:34,255
Speaker 2: along to do the Home Star Home Assessors or Home

1417
01:23:34,415 --> 01:23:40,455
Speaker 2: Practitioners course version one of Home Star. So twenty years

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Speaker 2: is a remarkable achievement. And let's have a bit of

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Speaker 2: a chat with Andrew this morning. A very good morning, Kioto, welcome.

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01:23:48,255 --> 01:23:50,215
Speaker 9: Now great to speak with you, geek and you.

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01:23:50,615 --> 01:23:54,855
Speaker 2: So let's go back twenty years. What led to the

1422
01:23:55,055 --> 01:23:57,935
Speaker 2: arrival let's say the Green Building Council in New Zealand,

1423
01:23:58,015 --> 01:24:01,135
Speaker 2: given that there are around the world green building councils

1424
01:24:01,255 --> 01:24:01,655
Speaker 2: as well.

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01:24:03,655 --> 01:24:07,735
Speaker 9: Yes, well, there were some really insight for visionary leaders

1426
01:24:07,815 --> 01:24:12,015
Speaker 9: from the construction and property sector who wanted to set

1427
01:24:12,095 --> 01:24:16,975
Speaker 9: out a mechanism to drive up quality and health and

1428
01:24:17,815 --> 01:24:22,695
Speaker 9: reduce impacts. And I understand they met over a few

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01:24:23,175 --> 01:24:26,695
Speaker 9: drinks and a number of times in Wellington. It was

1430
01:24:27,935 --> 01:24:33,175
Speaker 9: Peter Doowell, Graham from Finlay, Dean Croucher and a number

1431
01:24:33,215 --> 01:24:36,895
Speaker 9: of others and they all got quite passionate about it.

1432
01:24:37,775 --> 01:24:40,695
Speaker 9: And then one of them said, well, you know, if

1433
01:24:40,695 --> 01:24:42,175
Speaker 9: we want to do this, we're going to have to

1434
01:24:42,775 --> 01:24:45,735
Speaker 9: have to get cracking and raise the money and form

1435
01:24:45,775 --> 01:24:50,495
Speaker 9: an entity. And they did look overseas to models to

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01:24:50,575 --> 01:24:54,655
Speaker 9: set up a full purpose organization with the view to

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01:24:54,855 --> 01:24:59,775
Speaker 9: drive up healthier, more efficient buildings to help New Zealand

1438
01:24:59,855 --> 01:25:04,455
Speaker 9: along the way, and that's led to this amazing movement

1439
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Speaker 9: and we're so grateful to people like you and them

1440
01:25:08,775 --> 01:25:13,295
Speaker 9: and our founding thirty one members. We now have seven

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01:25:13,415 --> 01:25:19,135
Speaker 9: hundreds and all of them have helped us become an accepted, trusted,

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01:25:19,295 --> 01:25:22,775
Speaker 9: significant part of the construction and building sector.

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01:25:23,175 --> 01:25:24,855
Speaker 14: And you know, all of those.

1444
01:25:26,335 --> 01:25:31,015
Speaker 9: Chairs and boards put in voluntary time over that twenty

1445
01:25:31,175 --> 01:25:37,055
Speaker 9: years to oversee the organization and grow it and that's

1446
01:25:37,175 --> 01:25:40,615
Speaker 9: meant and the key thing they wanted when they started

1447
01:25:40,855 --> 01:25:46,295
Speaker 9: was certifications to ensure buildings owners and tenants could rely

1448
01:25:47,095 --> 01:25:50,535
Speaker 9: that this building was a really good one for investments,

1449
01:25:51,455 --> 01:25:55,095
Speaker 9: for quality for tenants. And now thanks to using the

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01:25:55,175 --> 01:25:59,895
Speaker 9: certifications to lend out money to developers and builders, corporation,

1451
01:26:00,375 --> 01:26:04,935
Speaker 9: tenants and families are trusting the certification to get quality.

1452
01:26:05,495 --> 01:26:08,015
Speaker 9: And we've hit a few billion dollars worth of projects

1453
01:26:08,055 --> 01:26:12,895
Speaker 9: certified to either green Star or Homestar or existing building tools.

1454
01:26:13,695 --> 01:26:18,055
Speaker 9: Five point five million square meters of commercial building now

1455
01:26:18,135 --> 01:26:23,175
Speaker 9: the sixteen thousand homes, so you know we're celebrating this

1456
01:26:23,335 --> 01:26:26,695
Speaker 9: week and childer to you for all of your support

1457
01:26:26,775 --> 01:26:30,935
Speaker 9: over time, Pete. We want to thank everyone who's been

1458
01:26:30,975 --> 01:26:34,335
Speaker 9: involved in either look to further that for their own

1459
01:26:34,615 --> 01:26:37,695
Speaker 9: purposes or they've put time or if it in to.

1460
01:26:38,695 --> 01:26:39,255
Speaker 6: Support this.

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01:26:40,935 --> 01:26:44,415
Speaker 2: Because I think going back, and like I said, my

1462
01:26:45,015 --> 01:26:47,855
Speaker 2: sort of engagement, let's say, was I don't know when

1463
01:26:47,975 --> 01:26:50,655
Speaker 2: version one of the Homestyle program came out and there

1464
01:26:50,695 --> 01:26:54,055
Speaker 2: was an opportunity to go along and sort of get

1465
01:26:54,135 --> 01:26:57,575
Speaker 2: engaged in it, to be introduced to the concept of

1466
01:26:57,655 --> 01:27:00,695
Speaker 2: building science. And while it's it's a phrase that we

1467
01:27:00,855 --> 01:27:03,815
Speaker 2: use quite a lot today, but if you go back

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01:27:03,895 --> 01:27:08,175
Speaker 2: twenty years ago, there were not that many people using

1469
01:27:08,215 --> 01:27:11,415
Speaker 2: the phrase, because I know it was there, but it

1470
01:27:11,615 --> 01:27:14,255
Speaker 2: didn't seem to be front of mind. Whereas I think

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Speaker 2: one of the things about the Green Building Council and

1472
01:27:16,855 --> 01:27:22,695
Speaker 2: similar organizations is let's apply some actual science. Let's measure

1473
01:27:22,775 --> 01:27:25,655
Speaker 2: what we do, because then we can say this building,

1474
01:27:26,535 --> 01:27:29,975
Speaker 2: let's be blunt, this building is better than that one

1475
01:27:30,295 --> 01:27:33,255
Speaker 2: because it does X, Y and Z. You know, it

1476
01:27:33,455 --> 01:27:35,975
Speaker 2: doesn't overheat, or it does keep the heat in, or

1477
01:27:36,055 --> 01:27:39,015
Speaker 2: it allows for shading and all of these sorts of things.

1478
01:27:39,095 --> 01:27:41,455
Speaker 2: So it's an objective standard of being able to say

1479
01:27:42,095 --> 01:27:44,015
Speaker 2: this is the reason that this is a good building

1480
01:27:44,135 --> 01:27:47,335
Speaker 2: and it's got our home star level whatever it's going

1481
01:27:47,375 --> 01:27:49,735
Speaker 2: to be. Well, it used to be one through ten,

1482
01:27:49,855 --> 01:27:53,655
Speaker 2: wasn't it. Now it's just five through ten, six through ten,

1483
01:27:53,735 --> 01:27:54,855
Speaker 2: six through ten. Okay.

1484
01:27:55,655 --> 01:28:00,095
Speaker 9: I think that's right, and there's some real advantages to

1485
01:28:00,215 --> 01:28:06,055
Speaker 9: that approach. So we know, and we're getting increasingly concerns

1486
01:28:06,095 --> 01:28:09,775
Speaker 9: from people and new build homes that their new built

1487
01:28:09,815 --> 01:28:12,935
Speaker 9: homes are overheating. But as you say, if you apply

1488
01:28:13,135 --> 01:28:16,655
Speaker 9: the science at the design stage, you can check if

1489
01:28:16,735 --> 01:28:19,095
Speaker 9: that home is going to be comfortable and warm and

1490
01:28:19,735 --> 01:28:21,415
Speaker 9: not hit high temperatures.

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Speaker 10: You know, we've got people talking.

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01:28:23,015 --> 01:28:26,735
Speaker 9: About over thirty degrees at night when their kids are

1493
01:28:26,775 --> 01:28:32,135
Speaker 9: trying to sleep, and sure one man fifty degrees at midday.

1494
01:28:32,735 --> 01:28:35,135
Speaker 9: Now it doesn't actually need to be like that. If

1495
01:28:35,175 --> 01:28:37,815
Speaker 9: we apply the science as you say, then you can

1496
01:28:37,975 --> 01:28:40,255
Speaker 9: check through that design stage and you know you're going

1497
01:28:40,295 --> 01:28:44,495
Speaker 9: to have more comforts. You're going to be warmer in

1498
01:28:44,535 --> 01:28:47,855
Speaker 9: the winter and comfortable, not cold, and then in summer

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01:28:47,895 --> 01:28:51,455
Speaker 9: you're going to be cooled because you haven't overplazed and

1500
01:28:51,535 --> 01:28:56,535
Speaker 9: you haven't got too much internal heat game. So there

1501
01:28:56,615 --> 01:29:01,015
Speaker 9: is an increasing awareness of this. And another example would

1502
01:29:01,015 --> 01:29:06,815
Speaker 9: be the commercial building sector where We've calculated that forty

1503
01:29:06,895 --> 01:29:10,335
Speaker 9: percent of buildings over ten million dollars are applying that

1504
01:29:10,535 --> 01:29:15,015
Speaker 9: science and getting better buildings, lower running costs, and a

1505
01:29:15,095 --> 01:29:18,615
Speaker 9: lot of them are really interested in good equality, comfort,

1506
01:29:18,895 --> 01:29:22,375
Speaker 9: well being of their staff and tenets inside those buildings.

1507
01:29:22,455 --> 01:29:25,135
Speaker 9: So again, as you say, it's that way to get

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01:29:25,175 --> 01:29:28,775
Speaker 9: that robustness and uncertainty of quality.

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01:29:30,095 --> 01:29:34,015
Speaker 2: And I guess my focus obviously is in the residential market,

1510
01:29:34,175 --> 01:29:37,335
Speaker 2: and I'm cognisant or conscious of the fact that there's

1511
01:29:37,455 --> 01:29:40,335
Speaker 2: the green Star program for commercial buildings. But you know,

1512
01:29:40,415 --> 01:29:43,375
Speaker 2: if you're getting the commercial developers and so on to

1513
01:29:43,895 --> 01:29:47,695
Speaker 2: get on board with green Star, you know they're not

1514
01:29:47,815 --> 01:29:50,455
Speaker 2: always just doing it out of the goodness of their heart. Right,

1515
01:29:50,775 --> 01:29:54,095
Speaker 2: it makes sense to them to build better buildings which

1516
01:29:54,975 --> 01:29:57,575
Speaker 2: arguably they could possibly lease for more or they have

1517
01:29:57,735 --> 01:30:02,495
Speaker 2: longer term leases because it's a good building for your

1518
01:30:02,575 --> 01:30:03,535
Speaker 2: business to operate in.

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01:30:04,735 --> 01:30:05,175
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1520
01:30:05,455 --> 01:30:10,295
Speaker 9: Yep, you touched on overseas, and we have learned from

1521
01:30:10,295 --> 01:30:12,815
Speaker 9: other green building councils around the world, but the evidence

1522
01:30:12,935 --> 01:30:18,535
Speaker 9: is really clear that buildings verified as green do deliver

1523
01:30:18,695 --> 01:30:23,815
Speaker 9: better places, better rental yields, and a price premium, and

1524
01:30:24,575 --> 01:30:26,855
Speaker 9: that's being rewarded here in New Zealand as well. So

1525
01:30:27,055 --> 01:30:31,255
Speaker 9: JLL did a great report turning Green to Gold, which

1526
01:30:31,335 --> 01:30:37,535
Speaker 9: found a three to nine percent uplift for prices and

1527
01:30:37,615 --> 01:30:41,255
Speaker 9: a three to seven percent uplift for rental income. And

1528
01:30:41,615 --> 01:30:44,935
Speaker 9: I think that will come in residential as well. And

1529
01:30:45,055 --> 01:30:48,335
Speaker 9: I do get really excited about residential because that's the

1530
01:30:48,415 --> 01:30:52,495
Speaker 9: thing that can deliver for lots of Kiwi families right

1531
01:30:53,295 --> 01:30:55,175
Speaker 9: have a healthier place and less.

1532
01:30:55,015 --> 01:30:57,255
Speaker 2: Run Where are we at with the numbers in terms

1533
01:30:57,295 --> 01:31:01,015
Speaker 2: of so actually for our listeners, so if you're interested

1534
01:31:01,215 --> 01:31:07,015
Speaker 2: in having your house rated for home Start, typically you'd

1535
01:31:07,095 --> 01:31:09,655
Speaker 2: need to what's the process? How does that work? So

1536
01:31:09,775 --> 01:31:11,975
Speaker 2: I'm you know, as it happens, I will be building

1537
01:31:12,055 --> 01:31:16,055
Speaker 2: later on, and so at the design stage, I'd come

1538
01:31:16,095 --> 01:31:18,135
Speaker 2: to the Green Building Council to one of your team

1539
01:31:18,215 --> 01:31:21,535
Speaker 2: and go, this is what I propose, and then it's

1540
01:31:21,655 --> 01:31:23,975
Speaker 2: reviewed in order to figure out where I'm going to

1541
01:31:24,015 --> 01:31:26,455
Speaker 2: sit on the rating scheme exactly.

1542
01:31:26,655 --> 01:31:26,935
Speaker 6: Okay.

1543
01:31:27,375 --> 01:31:31,175
Speaker 9: So there's a list of home Start designers on our website,

1544
01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:35,855
Speaker 9: and in fact, lots of responsible builders have people in

1545
01:31:35,975 --> 01:31:38,855
Speaker 9: their teams who have that training that you undertook. Yes,

1546
01:31:39,615 --> 01:31:42,655
Speaker 9: and that means that you can say to the builder Hey,

1547
01:31:42,735 --> 01:31:46,615
Speaker 9: i'd like a Home Star certificate, and then that gets

1548
01:31:46,735 --> 01:31:50,375
Speaker 9: checked at the design stage to check it's on track,

1549
01:31:50,815 --> 01:31:52,935
Speaker 9: and then at the built stage is a check just

1550
01:31:53,055 --> 01:31:57,375
Speaker 9: to ensure that it's met the standard in that process

1551
01:31:58,575 --> 01:32:01,535
Speaker 9: in terms of the certification fees is you know, two

1552
01:32:01,695 --> 01:32:05,695
Speaker 9: to five hundred dollars that kind of element. But it

1553
01:32:05,815 --> 01:32:10,735
Speaker 9: means that you get that certainty and a lot of

1554
01:32:10,895 --> 01:32:13,695
Speaker 9: builders now have that in house and they can deliver

1555
01:32:13,735 --> 01:32:16,695
Speaker 9: it for you if you want. And of course what

1556
01:32:16,895 --> 01:32:20,095
Speaker 9: it means is less moisture in the home. You've got

1557
01:32:20,175 --> 01:32:24,295
Speaker 9: good ventilation, you're going to be more comfortable, good air quality.

1558
01:32:24,855 --> 01:32:30,775
Speaker 9: And also now you can access significantly lower mortgage costs.

1559
01:32:32,015 --> 01:32:35,135
Speaker 9: So over the course of the mortgage you could save

1560
01:32:35,695 --> 01:32:39,375
Speaker 9: sixty to one hundred thousand dollars through A and Z

1561
01:32:40,695 --> 01:32:44,815
Speaker 9: through reduced mortgage interest costs and also love running costs.

1562
01:32:45,335 --> 01:32:49,935
Speaker 9: And this is really exciting, Pete. We've found that developers

1563
01:32:49,975 --> 01:32:53,935
Speaker 9: can now get lower interest costs for building to home staffs.

1564
01:32:54,095 --> 01:32:57,775
Speaker 9: That's completely different. If there's people building out there and

1565
01:32:57,855 --> 01:33:02,495
Speaker 9: they need a loan for building their homes, they're the developer.

1566
01:33:02,975 --> 01:33:05,175
Speaker 9: Then the loan they can get from the bank for

1567
01:33:06,575 --> 01:33:09,415
Speaker 9: building those homes you know, they might need it when

1568
01:33:09,455 --> 01:33:11,335
Speaker 9: they get the land, and then they wait a couple

1569
01:33:11,335 --> 01:33:15,095
Speaker 9: of years before they sell, they can gain significant benefits.

1570
01:33:15,135 --> 01:33:18,655
Speaker 9: We've got one builder in christ Chich he's saving after

1571
01:33:18,815 --> 01:33:22,735
Speaker 9: his costs. He's saving thirty thousand dollars per home for

1572
01:33:23,255 --> 01:33:27,135
Speaker 9: building to home Star. So it's a really exciting moment

1573
01:33:27,215 --> 01:33:32,455
Speaker 9: because finance is greening. You're seeing finance run rewards home Star.

1574
01:33:32,935 --> 01:33:36,575
Speaker 2: Because I think sometimes the perception is that it's going

1575
01:33:36,695 --> 01:33:39,455
Speaker 2: to cost me more to go to build the home

1576
01:33:39,495 --> 01:33:43,135
Speaker 2: Star standards or to build green and I think that

1577
01:33:43,335 --> 01:33:45,455
Speaker 2: maybe in the early stages, and we're talking ten to

1578
01:33:45,495 --> 01:33:49,615
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, when the technology and the understanding was

1579
01:33:49,695 --> 01:33:52,575
Speaker 2: in its infancy, that might have been true. I think

1580
01:33:52,655 --> 01:33:57,255
Speaker 2: today we can build better because there's more people in

1581
01:33:57,335 --> 01:34:01,495
Speaker 2: that space, there's more knowledge without necessarily incurring costs. Do

1582
01:34:01,615 --> 01:34:03,855
Speaker 2: you think that many people are thinking about the long

1583
01:34:04,055 --> 01:34:07,815
Speaker 2: term cost of running their building, but the upfront investment

1584
01:34:07,935 --> 01:34:10,775
Speaker 2: of building better is worth it because you get the

1585
01:34:10,815 --> 01:34:12,695
Speaker 2: payoff for the rest of the life of the building.

1586
01:34:14,295 --> 01:34:17,855
Speaker 9: That's exactly one of the challenges peak.

1587
01:34:18,055 --> 01:34:19,455
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it is.

1588
01:34:20,535 --> 01:34:24,615
Speaker 9: We see on average that it's between zero point five

1589
01:34:24,735 --> 01:34:29,975
Speaker 9: and one point five additional costs so generally under ten

1590
01:34:30,055 --> 01:34:33,935
Speaker 9: thousand dollars for that additional that that might mean you

1591
01:34:34,535 --> 01:34:41,095
Speaker 9: need to put in ventilation or slightly improved in slashing standards,

1592
01:34:41,255 --> 01:34:44,775
Speaker 9: or just some mine improvements. But the great thing about

1593
01:34:44,895 --> 01:34:49,775
Speaker 9: the infometrics research and the clients we've seen and quantity

1594
01:34:49,895 --> 01:34:54,135
Speaker 9: surveys checking, is that they've found that that gets paid

1595
01:34:54,175 --> 01:34:57,775
Speaker 9: off in about three years. So you know you're going

1596
01:34:57,855 --> 01:35:01,335
Speaker 9: to hold your house for ten, twenty thirty years, and

1597
01:35:01,495 --> 01:35:05,215
Speaker 9: all that time you'll be winning because you have lower

1598
01:35:05,535 --> 01:35:09,775
Speaker 9: interest costs, a more comfortable home, and you can access

1599
01:35:09,855 --> 01:35:15,175
Speaker 9: lower interest mortgage costs, and so that payoff comes out

1600
01:35:15,215 --> 01:35:17,095
Speaker 9: at about three years and then you've got all that

1601
01:35:17,295 --> 01:35:20,495
Speaker 9: upside for the rest of the house. But I think

1602
01:35:20,655 --> 01:35:23,415
Speaker 9: most importantly you just get a place which is going

1603
01:35:23,495 --> 01:35:26,215
Speaker 9: to have less mold than a home. We're seeing issues

1604
01:35:26,415 --> 01:35:31,375
Speaker 9: of builders building and they've got moisture in the cavity

1605
01:35:31,775 --> 01:35:34,895
Speaker 9: above the ceiling in the loft area because it's just

1606
01:35:35,015 --> 01:35:39,255
Speaker 9: getting the moisture can't get out, and so if you

1607
01:35:39,335 --> 01:35:42,495
Speaker 9: want to ensure you haven't got that risk of needing

1608
01:35:42,535 --> 01:35:46,015
Speaker 9: to come back and make amends, then it's really good

1609
01:35:46,055 --> 01:35:48,535
Speaker 9: to get this right and apply the building science that

1610
01:35:48,695 --> 01:35:51,575
Speaker 9: we know brands and other supports.

1611
01:35:51,055 --> 01:35:51,975
Speaker 10: And we know works.

1612
01:35:52,455 --> 01:35:55,615
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, we need to take a short break. Andrew

1613
01:35:55,695 --> 01:35:58,375
Speaker 2: Eagles is my guest from the New Zealand Green Building

1614
01:35:58,415 --> 01:36:01,815
Speaker 2: Council celebrating twenty years and I think that's worth that's

1615
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Speaker 2: worth celebrating. We're back in just a moment.

1616
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Speaker 2: it myself? Does send Joining me on the show this

1637
01:37:19,135 --> 01:37:22,335
Speaker 2: morning is Andrew Eagles from the New Zealand Green Building

1638
01:37:22,455 --> 01:37:26,335
Speaker 2: Council celebrating twenty years and there's a lot to celebrate.

1639
01:37:26,655 --> 01:37:28,815
Speaker 2: So what Andrew, what are the numbers look like in

1640
01:37:28,895 --> 01:37:32,735
Speaker 2: terms of how many houses out there in New Zealand

1641
01:37:33,655 --> 01:37:35,815
Speaker 2: have a home Star rating? And that you know, if

1642
01:37:35,895 --> 01:37:38,375
Speaker 2: somebody ever asked, they could go, here's my house. It's

1643
01:37:38,495 --> 01:37:41,175
Speaker 2: rated and I'm a home Star five or six or

1644
01:37:41,215 --> 01:37:44,255
Speaker 2: a seven or an eight. Bearing in mind that when

1645
01:37:44,295 --> 01:37:45,935
Speaker 2: I did the course, and I mentioned this to you,

1646
01:37:46,055 --> 01:37:47,695
Speaker 2: and I think you were a little bit sort of

1647
01:37:48,135 --> 01:37:50,775
Speaker 2: slightly she did someone really say that? But when I

1648
01:37:50,895 --> 01:37:53,295
Speaker 2: did the course, which I think is like twelve thirteen

1649
01:37:53,375 --> 01:37:56,575
Speaker 2: years ago, the person undertaking the course said, look, I

1650
01:37:56,815 --> 01:37:59,095
Speaker 2: don't know that we are ever going to see a

1651
01:37:59,215 --> 01:38:03,055
Speaker 2: ten star house in New Zealand, whether that was the

1652
01:38:03,175 --> 01:38:07,615
Speaker 2: technology or the inclination or the desire whatever. The great

1653
01:38:07,695 --> 01:38:11,215
Speaker 2: newsers I've been to one. So there's not just one.

1654
01:38:11,295 --> 01:38:14,895
Speaker 2: There's a number of ten star rated homes around New Zealand.

1655
01:38:15,455 --> 01:38:18,935
Speaker 2: But in general terms, how many homestar rated houses are

1656
01:38:19,015 --> 01:38:19,655
Speaker 2: there out there now?

1657
01:38:20,855 --> 01:38:24,215
Speaker 9: So we've got twenty two thousand homes on our books

1658
01:38:24,855 --> 01:38:28,495
Speaker 9: and about six thousand of those are still processing. Through

1659
01:38:29,375 --> 01:38:35,175
Speaker 9: sixteen thousand homes have been completed around our New Zealand.

1660
01:38:35,615 --> 01:38:39,575
Speaker 9: And yeah, as you say, there's lots that six homes start,

1661
01:38:39,855 --> 01:38:44,055
Speaker 9: and we would recommend people start at homes start, but

1662
01:38:44,695 --> 01:38:47,735
Speaker 9: you're right. You know, a long time ago people said,

1663
01:38:47,775 --> 01:38:51,215
Speaker 9: well ten homes star world leading it absolute best you

1664
01:38:51,295 --> 01:38:54,895
Speaker 9: can do. But we've got ten home stars around the

1665
01:38:54,975 --> 01:38:58,215
Speaker 9: country to celebrate and go and look at. And people

1666
01:38:58,295 --> 01:39:02,095
Speaker 9: have just been overjoyed in those homes about the quality

1667
01:39:02,295 --> 01:39:07,655
Speaker 9: and the comfort that they've got in them. It is possible,

1668
01:39:07,735 --> 01:39:11,535
Speaker 9: and I think that over time it's been really exciting

1669
01:39:11,575 --> 01:39:14,415
Speaker 9: to see those numbers come through and lots of things

1670
01:39:14,495 --> 01:39:19,335
Speaker 9: have actually transformed in the market generally as a result

1671
01:39:19,495 --> 01:39:23,615
Speaker 9: through your support and others lots of things have become normalized.

1672
01:39:23,655 --> 01:39:27,935
Speaker 9: We're seeing more site waste management plans, we're seeing more

1673
01:39:28,095 --> 01:39:33,135
Speaker 9: emphasis on the insulation standards have improved and we kept those, Yes,

1674
01:39:33,215 --> 01:39:36,055
Speaker 9: and that's because of people stepping up and wanting to

1675
01:39:36,175 --> 01:39:38,815
Speaker 9: try to do better, which is great.

1676
01:39:40,335 --> 01:39:44,655
Speaker 2: But it's also doing better because there's objective, rational science

1677
01:39:44,775 --> 01:39:48,935
Speaker 2: behind this. Right, We're not just talking sort of ideas

1678
01:39:49,295 --> 01:39:52,615
Speaker 2: that are well intentioned but not backed up by evidence.

1679
01:39:53,175 --> 01:39:56,095
Speaker 2: And I think that's the really exciting thing about more

1680
01:39:56,135 --> 01:39:59,335
Speaker 2: and more discussion about building science. Here is some evidence.

1681
01:39:59,455 --> 01:40:02,095
Speaker 2: If you do this, you'll get this result. If you don't,

1682
01:40:02,455 --> 01:40:05,135
Speaker 2: you'll get a house that's thirty five degrees at night.

1683
01:40:05,535 --> 01:40:05,695
Speaker 7: You know.

1684
01:40:06,495 --> 01:40:09,495
Speaker 2: So let's apply the science and let's build better buildings.

1685
01:40:10,455 --> 01:40:13,535
Speaker 9: Yes, exactly, that's right. I mean this is led by

1686
01:40:14,055 --> 01:40:20,495
Speaker 9: global science on how homes work, thermal efficiency and how

1687
01:40:20,575 --> 01:40:22,815
Speaker 9: you deal with heat building up in the home. And

1688
01:40:22,975 --> 01:40:25,375
Speaker 9: also importantly, we are seeing.

1689
01:40:25,175 --> 01:40:26,135
Speaker 10: New build homes with.

1690
01:40:27,615 --> 01:40:31,535
Speaker 9: As you say, overheating. The Minister for Building Construction said

1691
01:40:31,975 --> 01:40:36,895
Speaker 9: new build homes causing kiwis to be cooked in their

1692
01:40:37,015 --> 01:40:40,575
Speaker 9: own homes. But we're also seeing moisture issues even in

1693
01:40:40,775 --> 01:40:43,415
Speaker 9: homes that are six six months or twelve months, So

1694
01:40:44,175 --> 01:40:48,695
Speaker 9: let's step up. The building codes not adequate enough for

1695
01:40:48,775 --> 01:40:51,815
Speaker 9: you and your family. If you want to reduce that

1696
01:40:52,015 --> 01:40:54,935
Speaker 9: mold build up, and if you want to be comfortable,

1697
01:40:55,535 --> 01:40:58,055
Speaker 9: use just that independent check and then you can be

1698
01:40:58,215 --> 01:41:00,615
Speaker 9: sure and you can access that low interest morgitray.

1699
01:41:01,335 --> 01:41:03,895
Speaker 2: And that's one of those things people will often say, Okay,

1700
01:41:04,015 --> 01:41:06,935
Speaker 2: so if I can't rely on the new Zone building

1701
01:41:07,015 --> 01:41:10,575
Speaker 2: code to deliver me an adequate house, a good house, right,

1702
01:41:10,855 --> 01:41:13,095
Speaker 2: where do I go? And one of those places is

1703
01:41:13,295 --> 01:41:16,135
Speaker 2: look at home Star. Adopt some of those principles and

1704
01:41:16,495 --> 01:41:18,735
Speaker 2: you will end up with a better house because you know,

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01:41:19,095 --> 01:41:20,775
Speaker 2: you talk to people today and you go, do you

1706
01:41:20,895 --> 01:41:23,455
Speaker 2: realize that there's no requirement for heating in the building code?

1707
01:41:23,815 --> 01:41:24,895
Speaker 2: Really didn't know that?

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01:41:25,695 --> 01:41:25,895
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:41:28,015 --> 01:41:28,495
Speaker 10: Exactly.

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01:41:28,775 --> 01:41:33,255
Speaker 2: It's staggering. Andrew, there is a tremendous amount to celebrate

1711
01:41:33,415 --> 01:41:35,855
Speaker 2: at the Green Building Council. I think the numbers speak

1712
01:41:35,895 --> 01:41:38,735
Speaker 2: for themselves. If you know, you're talking about twenty thousand houses, now,

1713
01:41:38,815 --> 01:41:43,095
Speaker 2: that's remarkable in that time and the rate of increase,

1714
01:41:43,175 --> 01:41:45,735
Speaker 2: I think is exponential, which is also really exciting. I

1715
01:41:45,815 --> 01:41:48,735
Speaker 2: have to say, just on a sort of personal, private

1716
01:41:49,535 --> 01:41:53,935
Speaker 2: and professional note, running some houses through Home Star when

1717
01:41:53,975 --> 01:41:56,535
Speaker 2: we did the block gosh ten years ago. You know,

1718
01:41:56,655 --> 01:42:01,495
Speaker 2: I'm still really pleased that we did it, and those

1719
01:42:01,575 --> 01:42:04,375
Speaker 2: houses stand out for me as an exemplar of really

1720
01:42:04,415 --> 01:42:08,335
Speaker 2: good building science and building again in the future, certainly

1721
01:42:08,375 --> 01:42:10,575
Speaker 2: i'd be looking at Home Star. So again, thank you

1722
01:42:10,695 --> 01:42:13,015
Speaker 2: for all of the work that you do and all

1723
01:42:13,055 --> 01:42:16,055
Speaker 2: of your team, but particularly you. I think you've been

1724
01:42:16,095 --> 01:42:18,175
Speaker 2: outstanding in your role. So my thanks to you.

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01:42:19,055 --> 01:42:21,535
Speaker 9: Oh Pete, thanks so much. And just to note that

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01:42:22,055 --> 01:42:24,135
Speaker 9: anyone out there who wants to make a start you're

1727
01:42:24,135 --> 01:42:27,015
Speaker 9: a builder or you're a designer. We do have a

1728
01:42:27,335 --> 01:42:31,775
Speaker 9: residential energy modeling course coming up throughout New Zealand. We're

1729
01:42:31,775 --> 01:42:36,895
Speaker 9: coming to Hamilton, Wellington, Queenstown, christ Church, Twonger. You know,

1730
01:42:37,455 --> 01:42:40,855
Speaker 9: sixty dollars to come along and learn how an introduction

1731
01:42:41,015 --> 01:42:44,175
Speaker 9: to this the building science which Pete talks so eloquently

1732
01:42:44,295 --> 01:42:48,375
Speaker 9: and with such a beautiful voice, better than myself. So

1733
01:42:48,535 --> 01:42:52,535
Speaker 9: come along to three hour session and understand this is

1734
01:42:52,695 --> 01:42:55,815
Speaker 9: the future, it's what people want, it's what banks want,

1735
01:42:56,015 --> 01:42:59,495
Speaker 9: ye and we're going to be driving forward to better out,

1736
01:42:59,975 --> 01:43:03,295
Speaker 9: more energy efficient, better for our energy grid and better

1737
01:43:03,375 --> 01:43:07,335
Speaker 9: for our families. And so I'll check out into energy modeling.

1738
01:43:07,935 --> 01:43:08,895
Speaker 9: The Green Building Council.

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01:43:09,015 --> 01:43:11,695
Speaker 2: Yeah, courses around the country and I'm hoping to get

1740
01:43:11,735 --> 01:43:15,375
Speaker 2: to some myself. Andrew again, my thanks to you and congratulations,

1741
01:43:16,695 --> 01:43:19,255
Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care all the best. Andrew Eagles from

1742
01:43:19,295 --> 01:43:21,895
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Green Building Council. If you're interested in

1743
01:43:22,135 --> 01:43:25,295
Speaker 2: sort of an introduction to energy modeling, which is going

1744
01:43:25,375 --> 01:43:27,695
Speaker 2: to become more and more commonplace, go to the Green

1745
01:43:27,735 --> 01:43:30,535
Speaker 2: Building Council website. Check out where these free or these

1746
01:43:30,575 --> 01:43:33,295
Speaker 2: seminars are going to be. It's an introduction to it.

1747
01:43:33,415 --> 01:43:36,215
Speaker 2: So like I can't do the Auckland one, I might

1748
01:43:36,375 --> 01:43:39,175
Speaker 2: end up in Hamilton going to that one there. It's

1749
01:43:39,295 --> 01:43:41,295
Speaker 2: really exciting and for you know people that you and

1750
01:43:41,375 --> 01:43:46,215
Speaker 2: I if you're a builder trades person, basically get on

1751
01:43:46,295 --> 01:43:49,175
Speaker 2: board with this because it is where the future is hidden.

1752
01:43:49,455 --> 01:43:52,095
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1753
01:43:52,095 --> 01:43:56,335
Speaker 2: to call. Actually, just indulge me just a moment, because

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01:43:56,615 --> 01:43:58,615
Speaker 2: I get text like this all the time from Fiona.

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01:43:58,735 --> 01:44:02,615
Speaker 2: God bless you, but Peter, what's the point of a

1756
01:44:02,655 --> 01:44:05,135
Speaker 2: homestar home? It stops working the minute you open the doors.

1757
01:44:05,175 --> 01:44:06,855
Speaker 2: On the sunny days in the little ones leave the

1758
01:44:06,935 --> 01:44:08,735
Speaker 2: doors open as they run and out, and we don't

1759
01:44:08,855 --> 01:44:10,735
Speaker 2: like a home with the windows white, and don't we

1760
01:44:10,895 --> 01:44:13,095
Speaker 2: all like a home with the windows wide open in summer.

1761
01:44:14,055 --> 01:44:16,095
Speaker 2: It's got to be one of the biggest misnomers around

1762
01:44:16,175 --> 01:44:18,575
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, trying to make our houses a

1763
01:44:18,615 --> 01:44:20,815
Speaker 2: bit more air tight, a bit more energy efficient. Is

1764
01:44:20,895 --> 01:44:23,095
Speaker 2: this notion that you can't open the doors and windows.

1765
01:44:23,135 --> 01:44:25,695
Speaker 2: Of course you can when it's a benefit to the house.

1766
01:44:26,255 --> 01:44:28,535
Speaker 2: But when you close your doors and windows, you want

1767
01:44:28,575 --> 01:44:33,695
Speaker 2: them to work properly. That's the issue. So thanks, Fianna.

1768
01:44:33,935 --> 01:44:36,295
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, but you know, let's not

1769
01:44:36,415 --> 01:44:38,855
Speaker 2: pretend that you can't open doors and windows on the

1770
01:44:39,015 --> 01:44:41,495
Speaker 2: energy efficient house. Right Yoh, that's my rant over. Let's

1771
01:44:41,535 --> 01:44:44,495
Speaker 2: talk to Rid. Let's get into the garden. Maybe I

1772
01:44:44,535 --> 01:44:47,095
Speaker 2: can ask him about me. Wasps oh eight hundred eighty

1773
01:44:47,215 --> 01:44:51,255
Speaker 2: ten eighty good. Squeaky door or squeaky floor?

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01:44:51,495 --> 01:44:54,775
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