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Speaker 1: and give the analysis. Bryan Bridge on hither Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 2: Evy, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: As four h seven, we'll look at this statement from

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Speaker 3: the cops on Tom Phillips, the confidential files sent to

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Speaker 3: the dump and Wellington Chris Bishop reckons sport and politics,

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Speaker 3: do mix Trump's got new tariffs, our economies on the up?

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Speaker 3: And Tim Horan on Project Fortress for the Wallabies. Bryan Bridge,

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Speaker 3: if you want a case study on why this country's

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Speaker 3: productivity is going backwards and has been since COVID, look

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Speaker 3: no further than acc big scrap going on there. Did

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Speaker 3: you see this with the union this week? Staff report

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Speaker 3: feeling anxious and frustrated, which is never good. But why

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Speaker 3: will the boss Senton emails suggesting, not even commanding, just

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Speaker 3: hinting that they might have to come into the office

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Speaker 3: more often to you know, work. Currently they get to

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Speaker 3: it was exactly a year ago you might remember this

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Speaker 3: that Christopher Luxen and Nikola Will have stood up there

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Speaker 3: The good old days are over, they said, and they

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Speaker 3: were watching clearly the message didn't get through. There's been

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Speaker 3: staff only want to go into work two days a

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Speaker 3: week and their managers say otherwise. The more you don't

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Speaker 3: us productivity has been going backwards since COVID is that

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Speaker 3: a surprise. Work is not meant to be a holiday.

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Speaker 3: Whether you like your job or not, you've got to

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Speaker 3: most of the OECD. There are, of course, many other

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Speaker 2: Y and bread Rich.

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Speaker 3: Nine two is number's texts. Great to get your feedback

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Speaker 3: this afternoon. Proposed changes won't make vote counting happen any faster.

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Speaker 3: This is according to the Electoral Commission, which says they'll

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Speaker 4: Oh well, we expect them to speed up the voting

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Speaker 4: pretty simple.

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Speaker 5: You don't just move it back two weeks and then

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Speaker 3: Constitutional lawyer Graham edeler with me, Now, hey Graham, hello,

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Speaker 3: it can it be made faster? Is he right?

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Speaker 4: No? Like maybe a day or two, but not really.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's not that vote counting takes long time

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Speaker 4: You know, it's the difficulty is, and the problem, or

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Speaker 4: people cast a special vote on election day. Anywhere in

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Speaker 4: So why does the people haven't cast them that day?

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Speaker 3: Why then is the government proposing these changes and the

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Speaker 4: They extended it by I think it was five or

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Speaker 3: Is there something that's wrong with letting people vote? Well,

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Speaker 4: Again, it's ordinary votes. You know, people who go in

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Speaker 3: And then we then have to go through the arduous

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Speaker 3: I think the moral of the story here is we

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Speaker 3: way earlier and if you're somewhere else you can't. What

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Speaker 3: do we think? Thirteen after four Jason Pine.

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Speaker 3: Four sixteen News Talks ZB. Lots of text on the

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Speaker 3: vote thing. Ryan, the vote won't be quicker when Winston

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Speaker 3: and Seymour spend weeks squabbling over who's going to be

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Speaker 3: the deputy PM. Yeah, it's probably true. Ryan. Just use

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Speaker 3: the tab as a polling station. You could have the

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Speaker 3: votes count quick smarts' is MJ thank you for that? Now.

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Speaker 3: No current Wallabies were alive the last time they won

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Speaker 3: at Eden Park, So do we still feel the pressure?

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Speaker 3: Tim Horan is a former Wallaby he was, of course,

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Speaker 7: I think for us, for the Wallabies fans now what

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Speaker 7: they've seen the last sort of three or four weeks.

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Speaker 7: For all the Australian teams, it's the Blterslow Cup, Like

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Speaker 7: we need to get our hands somehow on.

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Speaker 2: The Blitters Cup.

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Speaker 7: We haven't had it for about twenty three years and

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Speaker 2: Back at some stage, and that's what the fans want

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Speaker 2: to see.

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Speaker 7: Even if you just beat the All Blacks once, that's

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Speaker 7: what the momentum we need.

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Speaker 3: Now that was two months ago. How positive is he

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Speaker 3: feeling now? He's on the show after five this evening.

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Speaker 1: Sport with TB Bedlave with him. Play are eating bit responsibly?

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Speaker 3: Jason Pines in the studio. Hey Jason, Hey Ryan, Yes,

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Speaker 3: so what do you reckon?

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Speaker 8: Well, they've got to win both TESTA, win the Bledterslow Cup.

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Speaker 8: That's his first difficulty is not only do they have

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Speaker 8: I think tomorrow night what you'll see is an All

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Speaker 8: Blacks reaction to what happened two weeks ago. Because whenever

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Speaker 8: It's normally compulsory, you know, given the All Blacks Jersey

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Speaker 8: here regardless of what happens in Perth. So I don't know. Australia, yes,

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Speaker 8: they're resurgeon under Joe Schmidt. It was a low bar

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Speaker 3: What about what Joe said this? I think it was

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Speaker 8: I think so, Yeah, I think so. I heard Cody

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Speaker 8: so long standing. Tomorrow night's the one hundred and eightieth

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Speaker 8: game between these two nations. It goes back to nineteen

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Speaker 3: But even when they're not that good, yeah, and there

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Speaker 8: But I'm old enough to remember sort of between ninety

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Speaker 8: almost like it's now it's all. We've got the letters

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Speaker 8: like that, of course we have. You know, no one's

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Speaker 8: ever put on Facebook. The Australia, you know has celebrated

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Speaker 8: Facebook because that came along in six So no one's ever,

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Speaker 4: Alabis won the cup.

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Speaker 3: Take it for granted, although we don't do we now?

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Speaker 3: Could the RANFILLI she'll be changing hands again tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: It could, but I don't think it will. North Harbor

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Speaker 8: go to Dunedin to take on Otago. It's been at

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Speaker 8: five different places this year, which is great. I love

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Speaker 8: played eight games this year and lost them all. Funny

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Speaker 8: things happen when that logs on the sideline, as a

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Speaker 9: American company basically owns and runs TikTok?

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's Jimmy Kimmel's writings like? Now?

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Speaker 9: They're very very good. On a normal night, Jimmy Kimmel's

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Speaker 9: show averages a little bit more than a million viewers

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Speaker 9: across the network. On his return to television the night

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Speaker 9: before last. On linear television, the preliminary figures were about

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Speaker 9: six plus million. But if you've also take into account

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Speaker 9: how many people viewed the broadcast on YouTube that claims

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Speaker 9: to greater than twenty one million people.

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Speaker 3: Jeepus, how long will that last? Is the question? I suppose, Charles,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Charles Feldman are US correspondent. It's eighteen away

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Speaker 3: from five, Bryan Brieg, I also just have staying with

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Speaker 3: Trump for a second, he has announced a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of tariffs. This is tariffs on pharmaceuticals one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: on important drugs coming in from October first. Now the

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Speaker 3: date's important because up until even a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: he was saying I'll give you a year's notice or

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Speaker 3: maybe even eighteen months notice before I would bring in

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Speaker 3: a farmer tariff. He's given a week on truth social today.

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Speaker 3: So all the big farmer firms, as you can imagine,

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Speaker 3: trying to pile billions of dollars into America for new

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Speaker 3: or expanding factories, because that's the condition you can get.

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Speaker 3: You can get around the tariff if you just build

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Speaker 3: manufacturing plants here. So six point five billion announced for

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Speaker 3: a plant in Houston in a week. A week before that,

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Speaker 3: five billion for a plant in Virginia. So is it working?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it'll make drugs more expensive, but is it

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Speaker 3: really kind of working? Seventeen away from five politics.

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Speaker 1: With centric credit, check your customers and get payments certay.

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Speaker 3: Called to five RNE. Nothing police could do danger to

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Speaker 3: the kid's imagine the risk of getting the children killed

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Speaker 3: with firearms involves is Georgie will talk to Lance Burdette

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Speaker 3: about the police statement on Tom Phillips after five right

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Speaker 3: now as Aara Halsari, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. So what

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Speaker 3: the big announcement on energy sector? The Frontier report finally coming,

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Speaker 3: It's going to be next week. What do we know?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So Simon Bridges, who's the now the chief executive

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Speaker 12: of the Auckland Business Chamber, has released some details in

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Speaker 12: a survey on energy reform and it shows quite a

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Speaker 12: lot of people have an appetite for change. So really

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Speaker 12: crunching the numbers here, sixty two percent of respondents support

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Speaker 12: the government underwriting the cost of new electricity generation if

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Speaker 12: it helped to bring down prices. Twenty one percent of

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Speaker 12: respondents did not support such a move. But it does

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Speaker 12: come as tops cost of living rather is top of

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Speaker 12: mind for so many people. And another interesting question competition

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Speaker 12: in the sector. I mean, people in the survey were

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Speaker 12: questioned on whether competition may improve if the government broke

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Speaker 12: up the gent tailors that's those companies that generate and

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Speaker 12: sell electricity. Forty nine percent of people agreed with breaking

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Speaker 12: that up, essentially requiring them to separate generation and retail.

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Speaker 12: And on this one, twenty percent of people opposed to

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Speaker 12: the idea thirty one percent unsure about this?

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Speaker 3: What about this elections situation? The Electoral Commission comes out

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Speaker 3: says no, well, pmcays make it faster. They said no,

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Speaker 3: the changes won't make it faster. And then now he's

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Speaker 3: come out and responded to that. Zaria.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so the PM has had a bit to say

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Speaker 12: just getting people up to speed this morning. It's clear

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Speaker 12: he's not happy. I mean, here's a little bit about

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Speaker 12: what he's had to say. In terms of the Commission's

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Speaker 12: advice about those electoral changes.

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Speaker 4: We expect them to speed up the voting pretty simple.

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Speaker 5: You don't just move it back two weeks and then

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Speaker 5: say we're going to stick with the same deadline we're

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Speaker 5: living in twenty twenty five. And I just suggest that

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Speaker 5: vote can be counted a hell of a lot faster

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Speaker 5: than what we've experienced in New Zealand. So go look

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Speaker 5: at other Western economies around the world and how fast

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Speaker 5: they count their vote. We must be the slowest folk

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Speaker 5: on the planet.

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Speaker 12: And also worth pointing out here, the Regulatory Impact Statement

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Speaker 12: on the policy says that Paul Goldsmith, who's the Minister

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Speaker 12: of Justice, expressed an expectation the vote count should be

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Speaker 12: completed within fourteen days, so that is two weeks. We've

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Speaker 12: also had an update from the Electoral Commission on this one.

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Speaker 12: Ryan Chief Electoral Officer Carl Lacaine has put out a

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Speaker 12: statement saying we understand how important it is to deliver

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Speaker 12: a timely election result. He says it's also critically important

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Speaker 12: that any result we deliver is correct and all the

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Speaker 12: necessary checks are undertaken so the public can trust that.

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Speaker 12: He says, a growing number of special votes is slowing

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Speaker 12: the process, but get this, we can give assurance that

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Speaker 12: we are working hard on strategies to deliver election results faster,

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Speaker 12: while Professor d Knight, who's an academic at Victoria University

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Speaker 12: in Wellington, says the Prime Minister needs to take much

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Speaker 12: more care here in terms of for obvious constitutional reasons.

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Speaker 12: He's saying ministers cannot give formal directions to a body

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Speaker 12: like the Commission, and nor should ministers with these kind

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Speaker 12: of casual and pointed remarks about their wishes or their expectations.

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Speaker 12: And just now a spokesperson for the Prime Minister has

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Speaker 12: come back with a statement saying the PM was reflecting

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Speaker 12: New Zealander's views on the core role of the Electoral

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Speaker 12: Commission there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and now Winston Peter's Foreign Minister announcement from him

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Speaker 3: at the u N tomorrow morning our time.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So Foreign Minister Winston Peters, he's in New York.

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Speaker 12: He's been meeting with world leaders this week ahead of

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Speaker 12: confirmation of that final position on a Palestinian state. He's

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Speaker 12: previously told media he's been planning to listen and hear

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Speaker 12: all of those arguments on the matter ahead of sort

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Speaker 12: of finalizing the decision. We understand it will be one

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Speaker 12: single decision on behalf of the government. We're expecting that

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Speaker 12: speech to take place late tomorrow morning. Previously, the Prime

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Speaker 12: Minister has said that recognition of a Palestinian state is

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Speaker 12: a matter of when, not if. In recent days, as

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Speaker 12: we will have seen, world leaders the likes of the UK, Canada,

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Speaker 12: France and Australia have put support behind a Palestinian state

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Speaker 12: and formal recognition of it. Meanwhile, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin

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Speaker 12: Natanyahu says quote, there will be no Palestinian states. So

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Speaker 12: it does seem like a position from New Zealand will

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Speaker 12: be made clear tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: All right, Zari think for that, Zara Howe. Politics on

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Speaker 3: Newstalk ZB it is eleven away from five. I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what I think about that frontier report that's coming

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Speaker 3: out next week.

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Speaker 1: Next hard Talk Bold takes big Stories. It's the Mic

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Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 13: I mean, apart from the Greens, it seems we're all

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Speaker 13: celebrating the Fonterra result net profit a bit over a

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Speaker 13: billion dollars sixteen billion in cash returns to the farms.

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Speaker 13: Peed McBride as the chairman of Fonterira and as well

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Speaker 13: as Wayne Langford, the fed farmer says this is the

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Speaker 13: new normal.

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Speaker 3: Is he bullish or right? Both?

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Speaker 14: Well, I guess he's an optimists of farmers anyway.

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Speaker 3: I guess so.

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Speaker 13: But I mean, it just keeps on keeping on at

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Speaker 13: ten plus, not only out of this last season, but

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Speaker 13: forecast for this next season. When does it end, and

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Speaker 13: if it does end, how well, we don't.

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Speaker 15: Know when it ends. I guess it's a function of

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Speaker 15: global support and demand.

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Speaker 16: But similarly, we doing our best to maintain these sort

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Speaker 16: of levels.

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Speaker 13: Back Monday from six am The Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 13: a Veda News Talk zaid B.

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Speaker 3: Seven to five. For anyone who hopes that they will

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Speaker 3: break up the gent tailors. They're not going to break

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Speaker 3: up the gent taylors. So next week the Frontier reports

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Speaker 3: coming out. Look what they're having with the supermarkets. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's a big talk and then it's no action. This

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Speaker 3: is a partially listed or they are partially listed companies

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Speaker 3: that we're talking about. They're not going to go in

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Speaker 3: with a sledgehammer. And you only have to listen to

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Speaker 3: Simon Watts, who's the minister. Where's the quote significant but surgical? Okay,

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Speaker 3: you don't use the words surgical if you're going to

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Speaker 3: push the nuclear button and split up the gen from

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Speaker 3: the tailor, do you that is a big call to make.

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Speaker 3: He's calling them significant because he has to, because otherwise

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Speaker 3: it makes it all like they've done nothing. But the

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Speaker 3: word surgical is dead giveaway there. They're not going to

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Speaker 3: be that's coming out next week. I think it's Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: We'll have to wait and see. Heather will be back

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Speaker 3: with you then. But wednesday we should get the Frontier

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Speaker 3: report and ideally at the same time we will get

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Speaker 3: the government's response to the report. Six to five. Over

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Speaker 3: in the UK, the King of the North, he's been

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Speaker 3: talking himself up really on media this is to try

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Speaker 3: and get rid of Starma and to try and replace Starmer.

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Speaker 3: Have a listened to Andy Burnham.

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Speaker 17: MPs were in touch with me, but let me also

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Speaker 17: give an honest explanation of what I said to those MPs.

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Speaker 17: It's not up to me. It's not my decision. That's

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Speaker 17: the matter for you, for the party in parliament.

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Speaker 3: Star has not been drawn into all this.

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Speaker 18: Well, I'm not going to get drawn into a commenting

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Speaker 18: on the mayor's personal ambitions, but I do want to

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Speaker 18: be really clear about our fiscal rules because economic stability

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Speaker 18: is the foundational stone of this government.

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Speaker 3: See who talks like that? Who do you know that

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Speaker 3: you've met at the pub or at work talks about

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Speaker 3: a foundational stone of anything. This is what annoys me.

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Speaker 3: I was talking about this with Laura this afternoon about

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Speaker 3: politicians these days except for and you Trump. People who

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Speaker 3: text in the show will love this. But you know,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump sits there and watches cable television, doesn't read

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Speaker 3: a single briefing paper, sits there and watches cable television

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Speaker 3: and goes out and does a speech and people are enthralled,

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Speaker 3: and you wonder, and then Kamala Harris comes out with

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Speaker 3: her word salads and no one understands what she's saying.

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Speaker 3: There is a fine line for politicians between reading your

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Speaker 3: briefing notes so you actually know what you're talking about out,

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Speaker 3: but not being sucked in by them too much to

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Speaker 3: the point where you use words like fundational stone, you know,

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Speaker 3: and knowing what's going on on the streets. That's the

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Speaker 3: job of a politician. And I think there's been a

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Speaker 3: drift and you'll see it and you can hear it

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Speaker 3: in the way that people talk. A drift towards the

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Speaker 3: more managerial bureaucratics speak, the moving forwards and the trajectories

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Speaker 3: and the paths of that. No one talks like that,

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Speaker 3: so stop doing it's annoying. Four minutes away from five

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Speaker 3: by the way, Andy Burnham and the UK, he's the

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Speaker 3: mayor of Greater Manchester, so he is going to have

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Speaker 3: to first there's a lot of water to go under

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Speaker 3: that bridge first become an MP. So he needs to

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Speaker 3: win a by election. So quite confident for a guy

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Speaker 3: to be talking about, you know, replacing the Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: when you're not even an MP. He would have to

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Speaker 3: win a by elections first, would then have to get

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Speaker 3: the numbers and rolling in labor over there a lot

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Speaker 3: more difficult than rolling in conservatives. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: I thought you might enjoy this story out of the

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Speaker 3: UK as well, and love a good Daily Mail scandal

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Speaker 3: on a Friday. This is about Greta Thunberg and the flotilla,

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Speaker 3: you know, the one that's going to Gaza. Well, on

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Speaker 3: the way they stopped off in Tanisia and there was

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Speaker 3: a big kerfuffle and the leadership of this group has

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Speaker 3: now broken up. In fact, they are reporting that Greta

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Speaker 3: has it's all descended into chaos and she's left her

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Speaker 3: leadership role on the flotilla. Apparently some of the pro

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Speaker 3: Palestine activists furious that there was some queer activists involved,

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Speaker 3: some LGBTQI plus activists on board, so they were kicked off. Well,

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Speaker 3: one of them left the flotilla in Tunisia and the

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Speaker 3: headline from the Daily Mailers woke on woke fury. So

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Speaker 3: there you go. Are they going to solve the world's

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Speaker 3: problems or just bicker on the way there? Three to

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Speaker 3: five will talk Lance Burdette on the Cops and Tom Phillips.

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Speaker 1: Next, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplice Ellen Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand coverage like no one else New saw.

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Speaker 3: Good evening at seven after five. Here's what you need

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Speaker 3: to know about this police statement on Tom Phillips today.

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Speaker 3: They detected him several times over the years, but it

659
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Speaker 3: was never safe enough to actually catch them. They used

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Speaker 3: the Special Tactics Group, Armed Defenders Squad, search and rescue,

661
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Speaker 3: support from the Defense Force, drones, helicopters, tracking cameras four years,

662
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Speaker 3: still couldn't find them. Bush was too dense. They say,

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Speaker 3: why the statement now is the question and what does

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Speaker 3: it mean? Lance burd Debt is former police negotiated with

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Speaker 3: us Lance, good evening, Good evenings, Brian. What did you

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Speaker 3: make the lengths they went to?

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Speaker 16: Well, I thought it was a little unusual because some

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Speaker 16: in there as tactics that they use. I thought it

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Speaker 16: was just a little unusual there, you know. But the

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Speaker 16: big thing that we have to be mindful of is

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Speaker 16: that we don't have all of the facts yet, so

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Speaker 16: once you know all that we can make a judgment.

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Speaker 16: But yeah, it did seem to you know, I think

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Speaker 16: there was everything in there except the CIA drone. They

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Speaker 16: tried everything, you know. I suspect human source was tried,

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Speaker 16: so they would have probably put an undercover, a police

677
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Speaker 16: officer into the community at some stage or somewhere around there.

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Speaker 16: They would have tried going to organizations like volunteer firefighters.

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Speaker 16: They know everything about their neighborhood, so I'm sure they've

680
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Speaker 16: tried everything, though they could have. You know, it's a

681
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Speaker 16: balancing act between causing physical, emotional or psychological distress the children.

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Speaker 16: So it is a hell of a call. But you know,

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Speaker 16: as things transpired hindsight, it's a wonderful thing.

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Speaker 3: They did say that they detected the family and you know,

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Speaker 3: sort of in transit on occasion, but couldn't intervene safely.

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Speaker 3: Does that raise questions for you, you know, detected and

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Speaker 3: then lost again or is it just the bush?

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Speaker 16: Well, it would be just the bush and there's but

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Speaker 16: the other thing is there's caves there as well. The

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Speaker 16: thing that there's a couple of things that sort of

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Speaker 16: I query having young children in the bush in the

692
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Speaker 16: wintertime for four years, that that heart that he was under,

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Speaker 16: I mean, anyone could put that up. So there would

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Speaker 16: have been some secure I'm sure during the wintertime, some

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Speaker 16: refuge for them to go to. But all of these deployments,

696
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Speaker 16: the question would be asked of when were they deployed and.

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Speaker 3: For how long?

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Speaker 16: Because I mean, you haven't got finite resources, so you

699
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Speaker 16: would wouldn't want to be putting drones up with the

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Speaker 16: Special Tactics Group and perhaps dogs going at the same time.

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Speaker 16: It's about spacing them out so that when Tom may

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Speaker 16: come out after everybody's left the bush, that that's when

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Speaker 16: you put your drones up. So the timing is really imperative.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think you said, it's interesting the

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Speaker 3: level of detailed they've gone into. Why do you think

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Speaker 3: they're doing.

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Speaker 19: Well?

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Speaker 16: I think they've been heavily critical sized and it's a

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Speaker 16: way of saying, well, look, you know, this is what

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Speaker 16: we've done. That's sort the only thing I can think of. Well,

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Speaker 16: as I senior investigator, I wouldn't give out some of

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Speaker 16: this information, although it's pretty much what you're seeing in

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Speaker 16: the movies, but you know, these are tactics that they have.

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Speaker 16: The other thing that sort of bugging me a little

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Speaker 16: bit is police tend not to use their specialists. They

716
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Speaker 16: don't use them as much as they could. The Special

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Speaker 16: Tactics Group are highly trained, but we have an advanced

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Speaker 16: negotiation team who are well versed in psychological practices and

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Speaker 16: human behavior. I don't think they use them enough and

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Speaker 16: sometimes they go outside of their own capabilities and don't

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Speaker 16: look deep enough within their own staff levels.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Lance, thank you for that. Lance Burdett form of

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Speaker 3: police negotiator on the Tom Phillips police statement today. Ten

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Speaker 3: after five. So guy goes to a tip in Wellington,

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Speaker 3: buys an old Meyal office desk and inside in a

726
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Speaker 3: lot to draw a case of secret documents, among them

727
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Speaker 3: staff pay details, termination documents, a sexual harassment complaint. The

728
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Speaker 3: papers mostly date between nineteen eighty eight and the early

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Speaker 3: two thousands. Dame Kerry Prindergarthfam Wellington memas with me now,

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Speaker 3: Dame carry good evening.

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Speaker 14: Good evening, Ryan, Nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Nice to talk to you too. Were you surprised that

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Speaker 3: this happened?

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Speaker 14: Well, incredibly surprised. I mean it's a paulm that confidential

735
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Speaker 14: papers are out in the public domain and the people

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Speaker 14: I understand that some relate to are still alive, and

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Speaker 14: I'm very disappointed. One they've gotten to the media and cercely,

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Speaker 14: most importantly, they went clear out of the desk before

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Speaker 14: it went to the tip.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard from Wellington City Council at all today,

741
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Speaker 3: because they have put out a statement they say they're

742
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Speaker 3: doing an internal investigation and they sort of rubbish this guy,

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Speaker 3: Raymond Morgan a little bit, saying he didn't tip them

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Speaker 3: off properly enough or something like that.

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Speaker 14: So I have I have met Worth Matt Prosser, who's

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Speaker 14: the chief executive, who has assured me a full internal

747
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Speaker 14: investigation is happening. They're doing their best to get the

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Speaker 14: papers back to give people some sense that the private

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Speaker 14: information will be should be resecured. I understand that the

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Speaker 14: person who gave them to the media didn't really give

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Speaker 14: an indication to the course into just the sort of

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Speaker 14: sensitive information they had. And I have to say Ryan,

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Speaker 14: most people I think would have put it in a

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Speaker 14: box and delivered it to counsel rather than putting it

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Speaker 14: on a website that gave access to the media team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably a fair point. Dame Carey,

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Speaker 3: appreciate your time tonight, Dame Carey Prendergasall on the Mayor

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Speaker 3: of Wellington. Time is twelve minutes after five, so you

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Speaker 3: might have heard all the may Day May Day drama

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Speaker 3: in the News today, full May Day call. This was

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Speaker 3: for all the bells and whistles rolled out at Auckland Airports.

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Speaker 3: This after a Quantus plane coming into land from Sydney

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Speaker 3: detected a fire in the cargo hold of the plane.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry, it's all fine. Apparently it was some sort

765
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Speaker 3: of faulty sensor. But this is Ossie passenger Troy Bullsen. Bullsen, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: speaking to the Herald, there was.

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Speaker 7: Only about fifteen of Pima gay truck Stan.

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Speaker 2: It was a very good welcome.

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Speaker 7: I was just waiting for the water to come on

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Speaker 7: in slides, but that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: So how do you survive? How do you celebrate surviving

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Speaker 3: a potential life and death situation? Troy, Oh, Now, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to have four hundred years brilliant here for the

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Speaker 3: Sure on News Talk ZBIT seventeen minutes after five, This

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Speaker 3: one's a bit weird. Associate Sport Minister Chris Bishop has

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Speaker 3: unveiled a new sport diplomacy strategy which would see our

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Speaker 3: athletes used to strengthen global ties and boost trade. The

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Speaker 3: new initiative will first focused on India, the Pacific and

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Speaker 3: the US. The minister with US. Now, good evening, Good evening.

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Speaker 3: So do we send Bob Charles to do the tariff

801
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Speaker 3: negotiations with Trump?

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Speaker 20: No.

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Speaker 21: Look, it's just about the fact that sport is an

804
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Speaker 21: area where need Island has true global reach, where it

805
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Speaker 21: might on the world stage for not only our pro

806
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Speaker 21: west but also our integrity, our professionalism, our sportsmanship. And

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Speaker 21: it's about tying trade and our economic and tourism linkages

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Speaker 21: together with sports so we can make sure we get

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Speaker 21: best banged for buck. You know, we haven't probably put

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Speaker 21: our best foot forward when it comes to linking and

811
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Speaker 21: sport to those other really important areas of our foreign

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Speaker 21: and trade policy.

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Speaker 3: So more of a tourism thing than a diplomatic thing.

814
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Speaker 21: Well, it's about all of the above, right, So it

815
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Speaker 21: will depend on the market you're going into. But if

816
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Speaker 21: you think about America, for example, which the US, which

817
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Speaker 21: is one of our first focused markets. You know, we're

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Speaker 21: trying very hard to get foreign investment from the US

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Speaker 21: into into New Zealand. You know, Erica Stanford was up

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Speaker 21: in the US a couple of weeks ago meeting with

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Speaker 21: foreign investors and promoting our Golden visa now, the All

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Speaker 21: Blacks are playing a game in Chicago against Ireland at

823
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Speaker 21: the end of October, and so we're just making sure

824
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Speaker 21: that you know, around that event, we're leveraging off that

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Speaker 21: event because the All Blacks are a global brand, global

826
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Speaker 21: inassas for New Zealand and the US, So there's a

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Speaker 21: whole range of things we'll be doing around that game

828
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Speaker 21: to attract investment.

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Speaker 20: A lot of investors going to the game.

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Speaker 21: For example, New Zealand is arranging a series of events

831
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Speaker 21: around that to try and drum.

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Speaker 20: Up interest in New Zealand.

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Speaker 21: And you know, the sky is literally a lot of

834
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Speaker 21: it when it comes to these sort of things.

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Speaker 3: Does it need a strategy? I mean, if you do,

836
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Speaker 3: can you not just invite some investors to a corporate box?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I don't understand? It sounds about

838
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Speaker 3: eerie Ferry Minister.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's only a ten page strategy.

840
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Speaker 21: I think people who are ten pages, well, people listening

841
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Speaker 21: will know that I'm not someone who is into kind

842
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Speaker 21: of every fairy fluff. You know, I'm the opposite of fluff.

843
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Speaker 21: I'm about actual results and actual things to do. So

844
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Speaker 21: it's a it's a strategy to make sure we've got

845
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Speaker 21: all working together.

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Speaker 3: What's your miserable? Then what is the outcome that if

847
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Speaker 3: you can get an investor to an all blacks game,

848
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Speaker 3: is that a win?

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Speaker 20: That is a win.

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Speaker 21: If you think about India for example, where we're negotiating

851
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Speaker 21: a free trade deal next year, is one hundred years

852
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Speaker 21: India and New Zealand sporting. That's right, a hundred years

853
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Speaker 21: of New Zealand India sport. So we today again announced

854
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Speaker 21: today that we'll be celebrating one hundred years of that

855
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Speaker 21: relationship and doing a whole series of events around that

856
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Speaker 21: next year and looking to invite Indian ministers and Indian

857
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Speaker 21: officials down to New Zealand to celebrate one hundred years

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Speaker 21: of sporting ties. And of course that makes total sense

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Speaker 21: because we're trying to deepen our relationship with India, a

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Speaker 21: very important market for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Hey, bit of a bruising week for the government this week.

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Speaker 3: The mood of the board, well for some anyway, you've

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Speaker 3: been Prime Minister, been looking as wounds. What's the plan

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Speaker 3: next week?

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Speaker 21: I don't think that's the case at all. I think

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Speaker 21: actually it's been a really exciting week. I mean I

867
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Speaker 21: was up with the PM on Tuesday we launched launched

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Speaker 21: the O Teching and North of In two billion dollar

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Speaker 21: twenty four kilometer.

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Speaker 20: Expressway north of Levin.

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Speaker 21: And then of course this morning we turned the side

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Speaker 21: on the first fast Track project down at the Port

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Speaker 21: of Auckland, which is going to add hundreds of millions

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Speaker 21: of dollars to GDP. So you know, it's been, actually,

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Speaker 21: I think have been a really exciting week now. Obviously

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Speaker 21: we want to see better mood of the boardroom results,

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Speaker 21: we take that on board. We'll listen to the feedback

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Speaker 21: that's come through there. But actually reading the commentary, some

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Speaker 21: of the things that the business leaders were saying we

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Speaker 21: should be doing, we are doing. You know, when it

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Speaker 21: comes to RMA reform.

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Speaker 3: Isn't the problem. Isn't it the problem? You are doing

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Speaker 3: what they want you to do, but it's just they

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Speaker 3: don't like Luxon.

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Speaker 20: I don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 21: I think actually the government has a broad agenda, a

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Speaker 21: reform agenda across a range of areas that you know,

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Speaker 21: we're really proud of, and you know we're always working

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Speaker 21: hard to make sure the public's are aware of that and

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Speaker 21: we need to keep working harder.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, fair enough, Minister appreciate your time, look forward to

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Speaker 3: the deliverables on your sport diplomacy strategy. That is Chris Bishop,

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Speaker 3: whose Associate Minister of Sport time is twenty one after

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Speaker 3: five News Talks FB.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the d's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 1: hither duplicy Ellen dre with one New Zealand coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: Five twenty three. I can't work out why there's Winston

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Speaker 3: climate change thing is news or even some sort of revelation.

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Speaker 3: Basically today the U when he says there's a couple

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Speaker 3: of big emitters in the world and then there's everyone

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Speaker 3: else and we can't solve it until they do something.

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Speaker 3: He's spoken about this before. But also look at our

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Speaker 3: emissions where zero point one seven percent of global emissions. Sure,

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Speaker 3: our population is zero point zero six percent of the

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Speaker 3: world population, which means that on a per capita basis,

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Speaker 3: we have more than we should be. But and this

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Speaker 3: is what no one talks about. We feed forty million

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Speaker 3: consumers around the world. Protein means a few cow burps

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Speaker 3: and ll farts. The Greens in the last twenty four

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Speaker 3: hours have been saying cut the cows and no to

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Speaker 3: oil and gas, which would drive us back into the

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Speaker 3: dark ages. You think times are tough, now, oh boy,

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Speaker 3: take away the cows, take away the agriculture, and poverty

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Speaker 3: comes knocking at your door. Nobody, well, most aren't saying

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Speaker 3: that climate change isn't real, but you've got to be

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Speaker 3: rational and practical in your response given our share of

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Speaker 3: the global contribution to it, which shouldn't I don't think

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Speaker 3: be breaking news or any great revelation. Twenty five minutes

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Speaker 3: after five news talks have been so can the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks hold on in Eden Park tomorrow against the Wallabies? Yes? Probably.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Tim Horran, who's a former

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Speaker 3: All Black, sorry, former Wallaby on the show after five

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Speaker 3: point thirty. We'll also check in with our sport huddle

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Speaker 3: for tonight. Joe Schmidt has said this is Wallaby's coach

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Speaker 3: for now. He's leaving soon, but Wallaby's coach obviously, former

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Speaker 3: selective for the All Blacks, former assistant coach. Yeah. He

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Speaker 3: says the bledders Low Cup means more to us to

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Speaker 3: Kiwi's than the Rugby Championship. I don't know about that,

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Speaker 3: because Australia hasn't been that great of late you may

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Speaker 3: have noticed. So does that not take some of the stings,

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Speaker 3: some of the excitement out of the bledders Low Cup

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Speaker 3: for you? It certainly has for me so and I'm

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Speaker 3: more interested in what's going on further north, you know,

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Speaker 3: with the Irish, what's happening with South Africa. The big

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Speaker 3: competition these days, aren't they not to say they count

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Speaker 3: or won't come back? It is coming up to twenty

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Speaker 3: six minutes after five. You might have heard there's been

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Speaker 3: a conviction in the Sorry the Loafers Lodge fire and Wellington.

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Speaker 3: So this guy by the name of es Serona Ilga

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Speaker 3: has been convicted of murdering five people by lighting the

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Speaker 3: fires there. He's fifty years old, known as Essa. He

943
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Speaker 3: was born in Wellington in nineteen seventy five. This is

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Speaker 3: a bit about him. He was raised by his grandmother.

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Speaker 3: Then he was taken to a small village near Apia

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Speaker 3: in Samoa. He was devastated when his grandmother died later

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Speaker 3: in his life. He has had a long history of

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Speaker 3: mental health issues. First came to the attention of services

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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety nine. He was twenty four years old.

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Speaker 3: He was hearing voices in his head schizophrenia. He's been

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Speaker 3: diagnosed two thousand and nine, convicted of attempted murdered with

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Speaker 3: the machete, fifty convictions in total. And you look at

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Speaker 3: something like that and he's been convicted of murdering five

954
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Speaker 3: people today. You look at something like that and you go,

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Speaker 3: is this person you know, bad? Mad? Sad? You'd have

956
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Speaker 3: to say this person is mad, you know, has a

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Speaker 3: mental illness. Does that ex use it? No? Does it

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Speaker 3: help to explain it? I think yes? And is that

959
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Speaker 3: in terms of sad, Well, it's just a bloody sad

960
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Speaker 3: situation for all involved, isn't it. Twenty seven after five

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Speaker 3: News Talk said b We'll talk to Tim Horn after News.

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Speaker 1: Union the these newsmakers talk to Ryan First, Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 1: on Hither Dupisy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: the Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks d Be.

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Speaker 3: Love You Love Pretty five Away from Sex Year on

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Speaker 3: News Talks, Sai'd be great to have your company tonight.

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Speaker 3: No current Wallaby was alive the last time the Wallabyes

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Speaker 3: beat the All Blacks at Eden Park. So Fortress continues

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Speaker 3: and it's a daytime game tomorrow. Let's go to former

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Speaker 3: Wallaby Tim Horn who's with me? A horrn for of me? Tim?

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Speaker 7: Good evening, Yeah, good afternoon, good evening, Yeah, great to

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Speaker 7: It's always pretty exciting, isn't But it's like Cup week

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Speaker 7: and we always talk about it with the Stansport commentary

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Speaker 7: team about it's the hope that kills us with the

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Speaker 7: Wallabies and because every time we go to New Zealand

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Speaker 7: we always think we're a chance. Everyone says this is

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Speaker 7: the best chance we've ever had in the last.

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Speaker 2: Three or four years.

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Speaker 7: But we know and respect the All Blacks and how

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Speaker 7: strong they are. So but it's going to be exciting

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Speaker 7: match considering how the Wallabies are tracking at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you I was listening to an interview you

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Speaker 3: did a couple of months ago where you said that

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Speaker 3: this is what the Wallabies fans need. Is not necessarily

985
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Speaker 3: the bleeders like Cup, but just you know, our win

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Speaker 3: here would be great.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think it's just just to be competitive, really, and

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Speaker 7: I think we saw that against the British and Irish

990
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Speaker 7: Lions the three Test match series. I think probably the

991
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Speaker 7: first twenty minutes in the first Test is where the

992
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Speaker 7: Wallabies lost.

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Speaker 2: That Test series.

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Speaker 7: But then you go and play the spring box in Johannesburg,

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Speaker 7: a first win in jo Bannersburg.

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Speaker 2: For sixty two years.

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Speaker 7: And then I think just the competition of the Rugby

998
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Speaker 7: Championships so strong at the moment. I think a lot

999
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Speaker 7: of Wallaby fans they're really excited with the brand of

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Speaker 7: rugby and the style of rugby that Joe Smith has

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Speaker 7: been putting in place for this Wallaby team, and they

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Speaker 7: seem to have so much trust and belief around this

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Speaker 7: side at the moment.

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Speaker 2: But that's one thing.

1005
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Speaker 7: That's another thing to go to Eden Park and compete

1006
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Speaker 7: and compete so that fans in Australia and around the

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Speaker 7: world can go, Okay, well, we are very proud of

1008
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Speaker 7: this Wallaby team. But I think for the Wallaby players

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Speaker 7: they need a win in Aubland or they need a

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Speaker 7: win in Perth.

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Speaker 2: You need to win one of these matches.

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Speaker 7: Sure, all Wallaby fans would like to see two wins

1013
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Speaker 7: to get the Buttersloid Cup back. But I think for

1014
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Speaker 7: you know, for fans to take the Wallaby seriously, they

1015
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Speaker 7: have to beat the All Blacks occasionally.

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Speaker 3: And the fans are they that we saw the ninety

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Speaker 3: thousand at the MCG for the Lions too, which isn't

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Speaker 3: a fantasmic. We know you've got the NFL, we know

1019
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Speaker 3: you've got the AFL, that you're competing with the fans

1020
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Speaker 3: along for the journey, even though it has been let's

1021
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Speaker 3: say a rocky a few years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 14: You know.

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Speaker 7: You look two years ago Rugby World Cup, Eddie Jones

1025
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Speaker 7: was coaching the Wallabies.

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Speaker 2: It was a bit of a debarcle.

1027
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Speaker 7: We didn't make the quarterfinal of the Rugby World Cup

1028
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Speaker 7: first time ever. I think that's shocked a lot of

1029
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Speaker 7: not just you know, rusted on Wallaby fans, but just

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Speaker 7: sporting fans. And so two years ago that was tough.

1031
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Speaker 7: And then you get to a stage now where and

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Speaker 7: probably the litmus test for Wallaby fans is on a

1033
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Speaker 7: Sunday morning where you wake up after a Test match

1034
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Speaker 7: of the Wallabies have won, and how many people are walking

1035
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Speaker 7: around in a Wallaby jersey, going to get a coffee,

1036
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Speaker 7: walking along the Brucebane River.

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Speaker 2: With a Wallaby cap on or a scarf on.

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Speaker 7: So that's probably the test for Wallaby fans is how

1039
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Speaker 7: much they support this team and they do come out

1040
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Speaker 7: when the Wallaby start playing some good footing also winning.

1041
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Speaker 3: Tim you've got a prediction for Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 7: I'd like to say the Wallabies by one, that's all

1043
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Speaker 7: we need. But there's certainly going to be a tough

1044
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Speaker 7: game the wallaby especially what happened two weeks ago with

1045
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Speaker 7: the All Blacks, you know as a record beating by

1046
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Speaker 7: the spring Box so Ardie Severe and the All Blacks.

1047
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Speaker 7: And I'm sure we would have regrouped after that. But

1048
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Speaker 7: I think Harry Wilson what he's done with his Wallaby team,

1049
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Speaker 7: it's outsetting.

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Speaker 2: They believe in them themselves.

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Speaker 7: So I will say the Wallabies boy won, but it's

1052
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Speaker 7: going to be such a hard test match for the

1053
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Speaker 7: Wallabyes to win.

1054
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Speaker 3: Looking forward to Tim, Thanks very much for your time.

1055
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Speaker 3: Tim Horean, former Wallaby with us. It is twenty one

1056
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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: Friday Sports Toddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find

1058
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Speaker 1: your one of a kind.

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Speaker 4: It is eighty minutes on the clock.

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Speaker 19: He votes it in't a touch and a thoroughly embarrassing

1061
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Speaker 19: night for the All Blacks, but a wonderful night forced

1062
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Speaker 19: South Africa.

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Speaker 1: News England Great Bolly Welsha and Ben Taylor lone mistake

1064
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Speaker 1: crossing the line.

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Speaker 2: What an incredible race.

1066
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Speaker 6: Del.

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Speaker 17: The Tiny Jamison Trophy's, the Silveritudes.

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Speaker 3: The sport Huddle tonight, Ross, Carl Hostess Sky's out of

1069
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Speaker 3: rugby pod and Darcy is in the studio. Good evening lads,

1070
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Speaker 3: Nam Curda. Good to have you both, Ross. So what

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00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: do you reckon's going to happen tomorrow afternoon? I mean,

1072
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Speaker 3: it's fascinating that no, none of the current lot there.

1073
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Speaker 3: We're even alive the last time the Wallaby's won at

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Speaker 3: Eden Park. But that doesn't necessarily mean it won't happen tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 19: Look, I mean there's always a chance that the Wallabies

1077
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Speaker 19: could get up, but without two of their keyboard runners,

1078
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Speaker 19: without Will Skelton, who's massive for them up front, with

1079
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Speaker 19: Rob Valentino, who's one of the best forwards in zuper rugby.

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Speaker 19: Those guys are so important to getting them over the

1081
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Speaker 19: game line. And without those guys smashing over the game line,

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Speaker 19: I just don't see how they beat the All Blacks.

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00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 19: I just don't see it happening, especially an All Blacks

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00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 19: team with the kind of motivation and All Backs coach

1085
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 19: with the kind of motivation they've got. Right now, when

1086
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 19: I've been to the games where the All Blacks have

1087
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 19: been smoked. I'm thinking Ireland in twenty sixteen, and then

1088
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 19: when the All Blacks turn up to Ireland the way

1089
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 19: that they went out with the ferocity and smoked Island

1090
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 19: and Island after that, I just can't see Australia being

1091
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 19: able to handle that.

1092
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 15: Can they be overstimulated ross the pressure? That's right. I

1093
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 15: want to prove too match and go too hard and

1094
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 15: suddenly on no, it's happening again.

1095
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 19: Yeah, there is something to that. I think the key

1096
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 19: for them is making sure that they nail that first

1097
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 19: half really well because in general when they beat the Wallabies.

1098
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 6: There up at halftime.

1099
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 19: But if you look through the Rugby Championship and you

1100
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 19: look at when the points have been scored, the Wallabies

1101
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 19: have scored nine tries in the last twenty minutes of

1102
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 19: games and the All Blacks have scored bugger all. You

1103
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 19: just don't do well in the second half at all.

1104
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 19: They do well in the first half. So that's why

1105
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 19: having Patrick tw Plotty backs so important. That's why having

1106
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 19: a player like Cody Taylor come back so Samasony Takyah

1107
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 19: can come on in the.

1108
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 6: Second half is so important.

1109
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 19: The All Blacks bench has not been effective, and now

1110
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 19: they've got two of their key bench weapons coming off

1111
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 19: the bench again and to some degree hopefully that combined

1112
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 19: with camroy Guard being back in the way that his

1113
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 19: sniping can bring defenders in and allow more room out

1114
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 19: wide or if they go wide, he just goes through

1115
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 19: the middle himself. I think those things will make a

1116
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 19: massive difference in Black I just don't see them losing.

1117
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: And with Sam Vera's captain of course, Hey what about Taosi.

1118
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 3: Joe Schmidt said that.

1119
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 15: The giving a crack it's got mad.

1120
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Speaker 3: Well, this is what everybody. Look, this is what everyone

1121
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: tells me. Okay, they say it's time to get rid

1122
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 3: of him. Joe Schmidt has said that Blitterzoe Cup means

1123
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: more than the Rugby Championship to that to the All Blacks.

1124
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 3: Do you think he's right.

1125
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 15: I'm not sure what means what to the All Blacks,

1126
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 15: and they just want victory more than anything else. The

1127
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 15: All Blacks World Cup is right at the very top.

1128
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 15: Championship's important led us Low Cup. Should they lose it,

1129
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,959
Speaker 15: maybe ross they'd want to they'd want it back again.

1130
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 15: We've had it for so long. It's there. I think

1131
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 15: it's the only thing they've got left in the trophy cannet,

1132
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 15: isn't this.

1133
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 19: Yeah close on a couple of minor trophies here and there,

1134
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 19: but yeah, they wouldn't want to let go of that.

1135
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 19: But I don't think that that's important this week. I

1136
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 19: don't think the trophies really on their mind. Really, it's

1137
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 19: about pride. Really, it's about being embarrassed and stepping back

1138
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 19: from what was an atrocious performance in Wellington through the

1139
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 19: second half. The way their scrum was emasculated, the way

1140
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 19: that the spring Box just ran right through them, it

1141
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 19: was just it was savage and to me, never mind

1142
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 19: the cup. They are out there to save faith.

1143
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 15: It'd be nice if they compete it. It's supposed to

1144
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 15: just stand there and watch that they ever go run

1145
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 15: through them and pass it right.

1146
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 3: You're right about the shame thing, though they should have

1147
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: gone on their elephant in the Room podcast with Torri

1148
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 3: and Goalers they probably felt the last two weeks our

1149
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 3: Sports hudle on a Friday evening. We're back after this.

1150
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddled with New Zealand South of E's

1151
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: International Real Zee, the global leader in luxury real estate.

1152
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: Ross Carl and Darcy Waldergrave on the sports huddle tonight.

1153
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 3: The Silver Ferns got the tiny Jemison Trophy, which is great.

1154
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: Unfortunately it wasn't with Dame Knowles a bit of fighting spirit.

1155
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: Do you reckon in the midst of all that controversy, Darcy.

1156
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 15: I had to focus it on something they had nothing else.

1157
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 15: It's been chaos the last few months. I'd say, not

1158
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 15: only the Dame no Leane situation, but the fact that

1159
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 15: a lot of these players can now play overseas and

1160
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 15: come back and represent Aka. Grace Wikim. He saw how

1161
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 15: important she was and he's opening two matches. They've had

1162
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 15: trouble at Mill right from the get go, so I

1163
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 15: think for their state of mind about to just get

1164
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 15: rid of all of that and just compete on the court,

1165
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 15: it's more of a relief than anything else. And you

1166
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 15: can see that. You can feel that energy as they

1167
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 15: played a lot of swopping and captaincy and the like

1168
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 15: as well. But Evette mccaus and Jerry Ross has done

1169
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 15: an incredible job to come in and do what she's

1170
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 15: done with this team.

1171
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 19: She is an impressive person, isn't she. I Mean she

1172
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 19: stepped away from running a school a brand new school

1173
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 19: that she's just set up a really impressive feed at

1174
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 19: Saint Stephen's to take that school that had stopped and

1175
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 19: start tipping there, which is, you know, amazing. But to

1176
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 19: step away from running a school to take an international

1177
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 19: netball team to victory in the course of a week

1178
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 19: or two is you know, that's old school stuff, isn't it.

1179
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 19: But I did see that Briany Ackle, the Aussie coach,

1180
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 19: was saying that Nolane wants back, you know, and I

1181
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 19: really wonder have we gone too far?

1182
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 22: You know?

1183
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 6: Can you can you go back from.

1184
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: Nothing to do with us, but back from what because

1185
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: we don't really know do we the detail on exactly

1186
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 3: what happened and what went down? So back from what.

1187
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 15: What happens in a vacuum?

1188
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 19: Ryan, Yeah, when your players and your coaches aren't getting

1189
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 19: along and that appears to be the thing, that's that's

1190
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 19: you know, how many.

1191
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 15: Of them a ross that was just a couple of

1192
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 15: bad eggs?

1193
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 6: Was it?

1194
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 15: The seven as they say? Wasn't that much of a problem?

1195
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 15: That's been so the lack of transparency has been awful

1196
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 15: from New Zealand Nipples. When a vacuum, you fill it

1197
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 15: up with whatever you want, and that's what the media does.

1198
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 19: Right one hundred to said, But boy, I mean that

1199
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 19: is some drastic action if it was only a small thing, exactly.

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00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 6: You just youve got to move forward.

1201
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 19: You can't move back. Surely they've got to find a

1202
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 19: new coach and carry on board.

1203
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 15: Pretty full on coaching woman, and she won't take this

1204
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 15: lying down. I like the fact she could come back

1205
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 15: and yes to go all right, here we go again.

1206
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 19: Look, I'm with you having met her. She's so impressive

1207
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 19: and she has so much respect from so many players.

1208
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 19: When push comes to sharp relationships of what you've and

1209
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 19: even if you're an amazing coach, even if you can

1210
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 19: drive a team hard and win world championships, you know,

1211
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 19: if the relationships are fractured and friends have friends and

1212
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 19: people talk and all those things happen, at some point,

1213
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 19: you've got to cut ties and start a fro.

1214
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: Hey, the Black Ferns. So they're playing for third at

1215
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: the Rugby World Cup. More third and fourth? And are

1216
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: we still interested now that we're not in the final, Dussy,

1217
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: This is the.

1218
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 15: Game that nobody wants to play. Really, the disappointment of

1219
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 15: losing in a semi final. You get the titles gone

1220
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 15: and you've got to stick around Mother England for another

1221
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 15: week and play a game of rugby for what bronze

1222
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 15: medal for.

1223
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: The love of the game?

1224
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 15: Ah right, that's right, the love of the game. There'll

1225
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 15: be a bit of naval gazing out with the site

1226
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 15: if anything, though, Ross George Miller is going to come

1227
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 15: back and have a bit of a bit of a

1228
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 15: whirl which she was sorely missed last week. So it

1229
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 15: is a positive there. But it's real. It's a real leapdown,

1230
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 15: isn't it. It's like you let the air out of

1231
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 15: the balloe and it goes around the room. That's third

1232
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 15: v four.

1233
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think there's plenty to play for here though.

1234
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 19: You know they don't have an impressive record against France.

1235
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 19: There's lost five of the last seven against France. They

1236
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 19: won the last one by twenty five points or something,

1237
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 19: but they this game is no given For the Black

1238
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 19: Ferns to beat France, they have to be absolutely at

1239
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 19: their best. If you think the World Cup in New Zealand,

1240
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 19: France should have beaten them in that semi final. They

1241
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 19: shouldn't have even made the final. There was a mystick

1242
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 19: from in front that changed it put New Zealand in

1243
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 19: the chance to win. So this game here is by

1244
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 19: no means a certainty for the Black Ferns to win.

1245
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 19: So for that reason alone, I think they'll be dialed

1246
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 19: in because they have to be. They've got to take

1247
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 19: something horm out of this. And after last week and

1248
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 19: you know, the inconsistencies at the breakdown, the ref was

1249
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 19: an absolute shocker.

1250
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 6: I don't do.

1251
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 15: It, Ross, do not blame that. No, don't blame the refs.

1252
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 15: You can't do it.

1253
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 6: Don't blame the ref.

1254
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 19: I'm going to I'm not going to blame the ref completely.

1255
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 19: But under the Black Fands have played eleven games under

1256
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 19: that ref and lost five of them. So they headed

1257
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 19: into that game.

1258
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 6: Knowing that they struggle with this ref.

1259
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 19: They should have dialed in on I've said diald in

1260
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 19: a lot, haven't they.

1261
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 6: They should have really honed in on what it is that.

1262
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 19: They struggle under this ref with and it's always the breakdown.

1263
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 19: And yet again they stuffed up the breakdown. And while

1264
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 19: they were inconsistent, and while their discipline was terrible, I've

1265
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 19: never seen a rugby game where a team is im

1266
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,479
Speaker 19: penalized till the sixty first minute of the second half.

1267
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 6: It really didn't help them at all.

1268
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 3: Let's go. I was going to say, there's enough of this.

1269
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: This is getting a bit sad playing for third and fourth.

1270
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Ben Taylor and Oliver Welch. This is

1271
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: an amazing result for them, only their first year of

1272
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: being in a partnership together and won the World champ starts.

1273
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 6: See it's madness.

1274
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 15: No one saw this coming. I think they only got

1275
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 15: together as a unit as one, didn't they Ross at

1276
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 15: the start of this year? Oh hi, yeah, man, how

1277
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 15: are you? What's your home again?

1278
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 6: Ah? Do defense?

1279
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 15: Everyone of the whirl on this boat. They beat the

1280
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 15: sternest opposition by five seconds and that's no mean feed

1281
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 15: over what sex and sex and nearly seven minutes. It's astonishing.

1282
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 15: This this is maybe the start of another great era.

1283
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it feels like.

1284
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 15: Yeah, well you think, oh Bond back in the day

1285
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 15: with his mate and what they managed to achieve was

1286
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 15: how long did they go for unbeaten sixty nine different

1287
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 15: races ross?

1288
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a lot.

1289
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 19: I think it was six world titles and two gold medals, right,

1290
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 19: they were something superblic I don't know enough about going

1291
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 19: backwards in a boat to tell you whether these guys

1292
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 19: are going to be the next big thing. But you

1293
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 19: win world championships at age group level, and then you

1294
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 19: step up and you win world championships at the top level.

1295
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 19: Cheesy maker Mark really quickly won a World Cup, so

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Speaker 19: it's pretty clear they've got something there. And without putting

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Speaker 19: you know who won them, looks they've got a big future.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you look at this, so you look at rowing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at us at the athletics. Dr s

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Speaker 3: we just forget about rugby for now, can't we.

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Speaker 15: I think the focus on alternate sports in all seriousness

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Speaker 15: it is growing. And when you look at what's happened

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Speaker 15: in world athletics, this is a sport where y'are short

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Speaker 15: of getting in the wrong place with a javelin throw

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Speaker 15: at the shop, but you're not going to get badly damaged.

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Speaker 15: I think a lot of kids are now looking at

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Speaker 15: this and parents are looking at this, going, hey, you

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Speaker 15: can actually travel globally, we can win world championships. We've

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Speaker 15: got proof right there. I'll be surprised that this really

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Speaker 15: surges in the next decade as far as competition and

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Speaker 15: participation goes as well. But yeah, coming close to Bond

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Speaker 15: and Murray for those two guys. Good luck. They absolute freaks,

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Speaker 15: those two. But hey, never say never. And I don't

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Speaker 15: know a lot about going backwards in a boat. But

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Speaker 15: what I do know is they had one or each right,

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Speaker 15: that's what happens in that, and you go the other one.

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Speaker 15: They have two wars each doubles pairs.

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Speaker 3: Got it?

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Speaker 15: Do you even care?

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Speaker 3: Darcy? Thank you for that contribution. Darcy Waldegrave and Ross

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Speaker 3: Carl on the sports title tonight, Cheers team. It is

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Speaker 3: seven or ago. The AB's seven away from Sixwise.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show cast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 3: Whose talks B. It is four minutes away from six.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to Simon Bridges after six o'clock. This is

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Speaker 3: on the will the Government? Won't the government bash up

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Speaker 3: and break up the gen Taylor's that report and the

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Speaker 3: government's response is coming out next week, so we'll talk

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Speaker 3: to Simon Bridges about that. Ryan. Just like two weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: the press here are underrating the opposition. This is Red

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Speaker 3: Rugby who have busted out of their slump and kept

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Speaker 3: serious ass lately. Underestimating the wallabooes tomorrow will result in

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Speaker 3: a historic loss, says Bill. And separately, New Zealander's ongoing

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Speaker 3: belittling of Australian sports teams is embarrassing. Okay, Ryan acc

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Speaker 3: claims we were talking about this earlier in the show.

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Speaker 3: This person says they broke their foot at working from

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Speaker 3: home by jumping off a chair during a meeting, turning

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Speaker 3: off a smoke alarm. I mean just the things that

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Speaker 3: I guess you could do that that potentially could happen

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Speaker 3: to you at work as well. Equal chance working from home.

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Speaker 3: I'm working in the office, Simon Bridges after News News

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Speaker 3: Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: What's fun?

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Speaker 1: What's down one with a major cause and how will

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Speaker 1: it affect the economy? The big business questions on the

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with Bryan Bridge and Mass for Insurance Investments

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Speaker 1: and Kiwi Saber, You're in good hands.

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Speaker 2: News Talks eNB tay Thing.

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Speaker 3: It is seven after six, great to have your company.

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Speaker 3: Will wrap the political week shortly check in with Showbiz.

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Speaker 3: We'll go to Asia with our business correspondent Peter Lewis

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Speaker 3: and we'll do the Starma drama with Gavin Gray out

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Speaker 3: of the UK. All ahead, Bryan Bridge Next week government's

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Speaker 3: response to the Frontier report coming out This is on

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Speaker 3: the energy sector. A new poll today showing most of

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Speaker 3: us want the government to step in. Sixty two percent

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Speaker 3: back a push to underwrite new electricity generation. Almost half

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Speaker 3: half were back the four Big Gen. Taylor's been split up.

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Speaker 3: Simon Bridges is Open Business Chamber of CEO and former

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Speaker 3: Energy minister with me tonight, Hey.

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Speaker 23: Simon, Hey, evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: What are you hearing? What are your reckons going to be?

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Speaker 20: Well?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what's in this report?

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Speaker 23: No? No, I don't. I mean what the ministers said

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Speaker 23: is mister Simon Watts, Minister of Energy, is it's going

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Speaker 23: to be significant and surgical. I like the significant. It

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Speaker 23: has to be significant. Actually, I mean we put out

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Speaker 23: an action plan, the Chamber of Commerce and a few

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Speaker 23: others ten points there, and you kind of got to

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Speaker 23: do most of it to get real change. But what

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Speaker 23: he's also said, as I say, is surgical that I'm

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Speaker 23: not so excited about. That says to me, actually we

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Speaker 23: may not see quite enough. I mean, some of the

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Speaker 23: big things you should should be seeing is the underwriting

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Speaker 23: by government a backup energy supply. As you've said polling,

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Speaker 23: we put out today by Curia. That's David Farrell's lot.

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Speaker 23: Sixty two percent agree with that of New Zealanders. And

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Speaker 23: then the separation of generation and re tell you know

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Speaker 23: these gent tailors, which is about ninety odd percent of

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Speaker 23: the market. We really need to see that as well

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Speaker 23: for this to be, for this to be bold reform,

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Speaker 23: which I think is what New Zealand is on our polling,

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Speaker 23: on the mood of the boardroom, I mean, move the

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Speaker 23: boardroom is just focused on that. Thirty nine percent of

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Speaker 23: business leaders at the corporate end of town want separation

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Speaker 23: as well. I mean, this is a pathologically conservative crowd, right,

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Speaker 23: but we've got a real problem. We need bold action.

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Speaker 23: I'm worried by his talk about surgical that gets warming

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Speaker 23: us up for not that much.

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Speaker 3: And well, I think he's by that he means we're

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Speaker 3: not going to split the gent tailors up. Would underwriting

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Speaker 3: be a good middle ground? Would that be bold enough?

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Speaker 20: Oh?

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Speaker 3: It would be good.

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Speaker 23: I mean, I think you know, our approach next week,

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Speaker 23: if it's next week when it comes out, is going

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Speaker 23: to be to celebrate what they have done, because I'm

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Speaker 23: sure it'll be pretty good, you know, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 23: sure the things they do as far as they go,

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Speaker 23: will be good. But I think you know we're with

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Speaker 23: mad to with Shane actually a level that that there's

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Speaker 23: not going to be.

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Speaker 20: Quite enough there.

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Speaker 23: And the reason I go on about that the gentailor

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Speaker 23: split up is, look, we've been told to trust the

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Speaker 23: markets for a long time now, but the problem is

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Speaker 23: the markets have kind of created this and in the end,

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Speaker 23: the gent tailors they only build when prices are really high,

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Speaker 23: when the demand for increased generations already there. As Shane

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Speaker 23: says himself, you know, look, their profits depend on constantly

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Speaker 23: shortening the market, and we're just not going to get

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Speaker 23: the much more supply that's going to mean much cheaper

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Speaker 23: prices that we need unless we want to continue seeing

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Speaker 23: de industrialization, businesses shutting households and strife.

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Speaker 3: So we should never a John k should never have

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Speaker 3: sold them.

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Speaker 23: Well, look, you can make all sorts of argurds. I

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Speaker 23: suppose in the end on that it was a different

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Speaker 23: planet sort of fifteen years ago. The energy market and

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Speaker 23: what was going on was so different technologically in terms

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Speaker 23: of energy, in terms of the demand, you know, in

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Speaker 23: terms of data and AI and what's required today here.

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Speaker 23: So we are where we are and we need reform.

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Speaker 3: What you're saying is true because there's a bigger argument

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Speaker 3: going on here, isn't there between left and right about

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Speaker 3: the state owned assets? And what you've said is that

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Speaker 3: their profit drive undercuts, undermines the energy sector, which we

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Speaker 3: all rely on and have no choice but to rely on. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, does this not have implications wider implications beyond energy.

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Speaker 23: But let's remember because in the air, look, I mean,

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Speaker 23: you know me, you know my political background. I am

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Speaker 23: a market s guy, right, so you know I would

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Speaker 23: like to see all things being equal, markets working as

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Speaker 23: they are in the end, though, it's government rules and

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Speaker 23: regulation and law that means that we have gen Taylor's

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Speaker 23: that is these big guys who sit there and they

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Speaker 23: control both the generation and the retail, and that's not

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Speaker 23: good competition, that's not good incentives. You know, my viewers

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Speaker 23: actually separate them along with a few other things, and

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Speaker 23: you have a much better marketplace. I don't go along

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Speaker 23: with Shane Jones, by the way, on his kind of

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Speaker 23: nationalization talk.

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Speaker 3: I'm a much.

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Speaker 23: Less clear on that, but but he is picking up

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Speaker 23: and tapping into that thick vein of sentiment that the

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Speaker 23: polling we've done shows that people want something bold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I'll be interesting to see what they do

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Speaker 3: next week. Sim appreciate your time. Simon Bridges Aukland Business

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Speaker 3: Chamber of CEO, former Energy Minister with us Tonight eleven

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Speaker 3: minutes after sex, will get to Azaria with Politics wrapping

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Speaker 3: the week.

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Speaker 1: Next it's the Heather Dupa se Allan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 3: Newstalk zibby News Talk ZBB fourteen minutes after six, check

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Speaker 3: in with Politics and wrap the week with Azaria hell

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Speaker 3: Is in Wellington. Azari, welcome back, Thanks so much, good

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Speaker 3: to be with you. Let's start with the mood of

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Speaker 3: the boardroom. Wasn't great? Well, it was good for some,

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Speaker 3: MP's not so great for others.

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Speaker 12: A big talking point this week the mood of the boardroom.

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Speaker 12: It's not a pretty picture for some, but that's, i

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Speaker 12: mean always how it goes with these ranking survey sort

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Speaker 12: of things. So the Herald's mood of the boardroom survey

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Speaker 12: has been the big story this week. A survey of

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Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty chief executives has ranked Prime Minister

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Speaker 12: Chris Luxon fifteenth out of twenty eight ministers on performance

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Speaker 12: that puts him in the bottom half of the table.

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Speaker 12: The best performer though Erica Stanford, the Minister of Education,

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Speaker 12: She was first place with a four point three eight

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Speaker 12: out of five. Some of the other top performing ministers

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Speaker 12: other than Erica Stanford's second place silver medal goes to

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Speaker 12: Winston Peters third place Chris Bishop, the infrastructure minister. Nikola Willis,

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Speaker 12: though the finance minister, thirteenth out of twenty eight. She

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Speaker 12: got a score of three point zero nine out of five.

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Speaker 12: So both Luxeon and Willis did not make it in

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Speaker 12: the top ten. Coming from a business audience, that would

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Speaker 12: have hurt, but they did shrug off the criticism. Luxon

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Speaker 12: said that we're going through a very difficult recovery. He

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Speaker 12: says there'll be a range of opinions across the society

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Speaker 12: really about that, also pointing to what he's calling a

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Speaker 12: two speed recovery, saying that the rural sector is feeling

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Speaker 12: quite confident, we're not really seeing as much of that

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Speaker 12: economic confidence yet in those main centers. Nikola Willis also

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Speaker 12: told the business audience she respects the one hundred and

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Speaker 12: fifty people in the room deeply, but says they're not

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Speaker 12: broadly representative of the five million people they serve, and

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Speaker 12: Erica Stanford, despite coming in first place, doesn't seemingly want

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Speaker 12: to have that conversation about leadership. She has been saying

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Speaker 12: she's keen to have the role as Minister of Education

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Speaker 12: for the next decade yep, that is ten years. So

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Speaker 12: both of those ministers though as well saying that Luxon

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Speaker 12: is the right person for the job, saying that people

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Speaker 12: don't see a lot of the behind the scenes rather

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Speaker 12: sort of team management aspects of it. Business leaders who

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Speaker 12: did fill out the survey, though, agreed on one thing,

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Speaker 12: and that is that New Zealand is at an inflection

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Speaker 12: point desperately needing clearer leadership and direction. Those are the

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Speaker 12: words from the mood of.

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Speaker 3: The boardroom, Zaria Anna Breman. We got the announcement this

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Speaker 3: week from Nichola Willis on the new Reserve Bank boss.

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Speaker 3: What's the feeling like in Wellington about I mean, from

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Speaker 3: my perspective, I was quite pleased that she actually ironically

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Speaker 3: didn't do interviews because it means she doesn't love the

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Speaker 3: media like the last guy I did.

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Speaker 12: Well, the thing that she really came out differently, I

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Speaker 12: mean she was showing her credentials and she's got a

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 12: good list to go off. A doctorate in economics leadership

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01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 12: at the highest level. She was the Deputy governor of

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01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 12: Sweden's Central Bank for years and years and years since

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01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 12: twenty nineteen, so she led that through COVID and through

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 12: all the ongoing global situations as we can call them,

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 12: that have been happening. So yeah, she starts at the

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01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 12: Reserve Bank on the first of December. She's on for

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01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 12: a five year term and I was at the press

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01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 12: conference earlier this week where she was announced. One of

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 12: the big promises from that the idea of transparency the

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01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 12: Reserve Bank governor promising that the RBNZ should and will

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01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 12: remain a source of strength and stability for the economy.

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01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 12: That is a big one because there were so many

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01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 12: there was so much criticism on how the Reserve Bank

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01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 12: handled Adrian Or's resignation in terms of the details that

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01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 12: did give the details that kind of slipped through, some

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 12: details that came in through Treasury and other sort of

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01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 12: things with that. So doctor Breman is promising the Reserve

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01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 12: Bank will be transparent. She's promising to make herself available

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01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 12: meet with people, and has also said there's more work

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01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 12: to be done, so it is goodbye to Adrian Orr

1530
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 12: and Christian Hawksby and in with the new from Sweden.

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 12: It also makes her the first woman to be appointed

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Speaker 12: governor of New Zealand's Central Bank. The Finance Minister Nikola

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 12: Willis spoke a little bit about that, saying really she

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,839
Speaker 12: is the best person for the job. It's not because

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 12: she's a woman or anything, but also saying she's glad

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01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 12: that her daughters will be raised in a time where

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01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 12: they can see that the Reserve Bank governor can be

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01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 12: a man or a woman. So she starts on the

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01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:38,959
Speaker 12: first of December.

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Speaker 3: All right, very good, and they agreed to disagree clauses

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01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 3: being pulled again this week.

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Speaker 12: Yes, so, I mean it really does seem like an

1543
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 12: immigration announcement earlier in the week was overshadowed by this topic.

1544
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 12: New Zealand first invoked the agree to disagree clause on

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01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 12: some changes that would really help speed up migrant visas

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01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 12: for certain people, so that clause was used to show

1547
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 12: that while it was a government decision, it was a policy.

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01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 12: There not all of the coalition parties have the same

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01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 12: view on the matter. And I mean, immigration is such

1550
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 12: a huge deal for New Zealand. First, it has been

1551
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 12: for decades and we're expecting the party to discuss things

1552
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 12: like this during the campaign in terms of immigration policy,

1553
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 12: and it really does set them apart from some of

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01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 12: the other coalition partners. And just on this one, the

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01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 12: government ministers expect this to apply to about ten thousand people.

1556
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 12: So it is worth noting and pointing out here that

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01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 12: they do not agree with New Zealand First on the

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01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 12: matter in terms of the Immigration Minister Erica Stanford and

1559
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 12: the Finance Minister Nikola Willis. But a clear disagreement there.

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01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 3: All right, Zaria, good stuff, Thank you, Zaria. How our

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01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 3: news talks a big senior political reporter. It is nineteen

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01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 3: minutes after six. Michael texton during that interview to say, Ryan,

1563
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 3: does your reporter aware that this is very old news?

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01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 3: What is she employee to do? Michael? It's the week

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01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 3: that was so some of some of what you heard

1566
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 3: was from Tuesdays, some of it might have been from Wednesday.

1567
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 3: It's throughout the whole week. This is interesting. It's just

1568
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,879
Speaker 3: come in from Auckland University of Auckland, so you'll remember

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01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 3: they had the quite controversial compulsory courses on today on

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01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 3: TL Mardi which is like the Mardi World, and it

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01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 3: would teach you all about that, and it was compulsory

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01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: for all first year students, so you had international students

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 3: coming in to study who had to do this, and

1574
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: then who were leaving who didn't. It was not relevant

1575
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: to them. It was sort of They were sort of

1576
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 3: upset about it, and there was a lot of controversy

1577
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 3: with David Seymour said it was indoctrination anyway. The Chancellor

1578
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 3: Dawn Freshwater, she's had a change of heart and they

1579
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 3: are now recommending that the courses become optional like every

1580
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 3: other course at UNI. Basically twenty one minutes after six

1581
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 3: news talks, he'd.

1582
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: Be croaching the numbers and getting the results.

1583
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and mass for insurance.

1584
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: Investments and Killie Saber. You're in good hands news talk.

1585
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: Sa'd be evening, Ryan says Gary. Have you noticed that

1586
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 3: in most cases the person speaking at the UN this

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 3: week is the country's leader, president or prime minister. Why

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01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 3: isn't our prime minister speaking instead of the foreign minister?

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01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 3: Luction should be there, Gary, thank you for that. It

1590
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 3: is it's called leader's wig. So but you don't have

1591
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 3: to go and leaders don't always go my I was

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01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 3: thinking about this this morning, actually, Garry, so I'm glad

1593
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 3: you've mentioned it. But if he, let's say he had gone,

1594
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 3: so we had that GDP number and we knew it

1595
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 3: was going to be a shocker, and Luxeon doesn't have

1596
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 3: the best reputation in the country, but he does have

1597
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 3: a good one outside of it. If were he to

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01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 3: mister not be here for the mood of the boardroom

1599
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 3: where they're all socking it to him, not be here

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01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 3: for the GDP number and take the bad news even

1601
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 3: you know, as much as you take the good and

1602
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 3: then bugger off to New York, or not even be

1603
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 3: here during those announcements, I don't know. I think they

1604
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 3: would have been weighing that up. But probably more important,

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 3: Winston will have wanted the moment. It's probably the most

1606
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 3: important part of that equation. Which does that tell you

1607
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 3: a lot about leaders week in New York. Let's go

1608
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 3: to some show bears, Show Bears Titanic. Do you think

1609
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 3: you would be interested in watching Titanic if the actor

1610
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 3: was a guy called Lenny Williams. That was the world

1611
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 3: that we were close to living, and everybody Leonardo DiCaprio

1612
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 3: appeared on Travis Kelsi's podcast today, g is they get

1613
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 3: all the guests on the Travis Kelsey podcast, don't they

1614
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 3: alongside Al Pacino? To stop it? He revealed that when

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01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 3: he was starting out as a teen actor, this is Leonardo,

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01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 3: his agent tried to change his name.

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01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 2: I finally got an agent. They said your name is

1618
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: too ethnic. I go, what do you mean, It's Leonoro Dicapra.

1619
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 2: They go, no to ethnic, They're never.

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01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 3: Going to hire.

1621
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 1: Your new name is Lenny Williams.

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01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 6: What is Lenny twelve?

1623
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 2: I said, where's Lenny Williams?

1624
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 15: So we took your middle name and we made it

1625
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 15: your Now you're Lenny.

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01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: And my dad saw his photo, ripped it up and

1627
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: he said, over my dead Boke.

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01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 3: Dicafro is promoting his new movie One Battle after Another.

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01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 3: At the moment, it's an American political thriller. You might

1630
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 3: have seen the short thread of the movies. This is

1631
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 3: where Leo plays a left wing revolutionary tasked with breaking

1632
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 3: migrants out of American detention centers. Jeez, that's a bit

1633
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 3: too close to home with what's happened this week, isn't it? Anyway? Apparently,

1634
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 3: before you roll your eyes all the way into the

1635
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 3: back of your head. It is apparently very good. It's

1636
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: in cinemas from today for those who are interested. Leonardo

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01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 3: DiCaprio is such an iconic name, isn't it. I mean,

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01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 3: I know that he has made that name iconic, but

1639
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 3: just the way it sounds, and that probably more so

1640
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 3: the way it looks, you know, when you see it

1641
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 3: on the on the movie screen twenty six minutes after six,

1642
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 3: So you might have caught yesterday the Australian consumer price

1643
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 3: that next CPI thiss is in fation up three percent

1644
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 3: in all that surpassed expectations of two point nine and

1645
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 3: that means that across the Tasman their rate cutting cycle

1646
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 3: is on pause until probably well into next year. They

1647
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 3: were expecting I think they've got a meeting in about

1648
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 3: four days time. They were expecting another one then, but

1649
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 3: they won't, according to the markets, at least get one

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01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 3: until next year. We are by the way, expecting two

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01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 3: or three by Christmas. We should get down to two

1652
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,799
Speaker 3: point twenty five by the end of the year, depending

1653
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 3: on how big they go. Hawksby goes on his way

1654
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 3: out his swang song, we will see We'll leave you

1655
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 3: with some Titanic go to Asia next.

1656
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics. It's all

1657
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass for

1658
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: Insurance Investments and Kiy Saber You're in good hands, News

1659
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: Talksvaavy and run.

1660
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 6: Just you me and.

1661
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Speaker 3: Run pretty five away from seven You're on News Talks.

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01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 3: Heb over. In the UK, there's a petition. This is

1663
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 3: fascinating how quickly this is escalated. But basically Keir Starmer

1664
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 3: has come out and said he's going to introduce a

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01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 3: digital ID for all British adults and you will have

1666
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 3: to download or have this digital ID. There's no choice

1667
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 3: in the matter. It's a it's not an option. And

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01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 3: already they've had five hundred thousand signatures from people coming

1669
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 3: out and saying, nah, don't want it, get rid of it.

1670
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,560
Speaker 3: More than twelve hundred people have signed the petition in

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01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 3: Nigel Farage's seat of Clacton, the Prime Minister facing a

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01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 3: local fight with three hundred and fifty residents in his

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01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 3: own home seat. The largest number of signatures so far,

1674
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 3: according to gb News, have come from labor held seats

1675
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 3: and this is the worry for Starmer. Anything he does

1676
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 3: now is under the microscope right because his popularity was

1677
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 3: never great. It was to get rid of the Conservatives

1678
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 3: and then they're stuck with this sort of weirdo. But

1679
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: the problem for him now is Nigel Farage and his

1680
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 3: Reform and it's in those labor seats, and they've got

1681
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 3: crucial elections next year, which are local elections. But you've

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01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 3: got Reform winning these elections and potentially going to win

1683
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 3: more next year. You've got them ahead of both major

1684
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: parties and polls, and so every time he does a

1685
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 3: policy now, when you see things like labor strongholds are

1686
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 3: signing a petition against something he's introducing, that's a bad

1687
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 3: sign for him. Well it's a bad sign for labor.

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01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 3: Twenty four Away from seven Rich Peter Lewis is our

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01:23:56,160 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 3: Asia business correspondent Peter Good Evening, Good Evening Ryan. That

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01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 3: TikTok deal being received in China.

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01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 24: Well, interestingly, China is saying very very little about it,

1692
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 24: which makes you wonder, has this really been agreed. We

1693
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 24: know that Donald Trump has this habit of announcing deals

1694
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 24: and saying that you know, they've all been signed off

1695
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 24: when both parties haven't agreed, and there's a lot of

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01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 24: details still left to negotiates, or China is saying so

1697
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 24: far about this deal, and I'll read you their statement.

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01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 24: They say, the Chinese government respects the wishes of the

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01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 24: enterprise i Bite Dance, and welcomes it to carry out

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01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 24: commercial negotiations in accordance with market rules that reaches a

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01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 24: solution compliant with China's laws and regulations. Now that's a

1702
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 24: far cry from what Donald Trump is saying, which is

1703
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 24: that the deal is all signed off, China is on board,

1704
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 24: Beijing's being much more guarded than Washington. It was also

1705
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 24: noticeable that yesterday when he signed the executive order, no

1706
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 24: representatives from byte Dance were present at the signing. In fact,

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01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 24: Byte Dance hasn't even acknowledged that a transaction is taking place.

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01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 24: So far, there is no mention of the purchase price.

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01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 24: There is no indication that China's made changes to the

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01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 24: laws that it would have to do to enable this

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01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 24: deal to go ahead. And in particular, the regulator last

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01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 24: week re emphasized that what China was doing was it

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01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 24: would license the algorithm to this US company that's ultimately

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01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 24: going to host the US version of TikTok. Now licensing

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01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 24: the algorithm is very, very different from it being split

1716
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 24: out from by Dance and separated out into a company

1717
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 24: because the algorithm is obviously the secret source behind TikTok.

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01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 24: That's what decides what videos are recommended to people. And

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Speaker 24: the concern has always been that this could be abused,

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Speaker 24: that the algorithm could be used for propaganda purposes and

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Speaker 24: influencing elections and so on. Now, if China is only

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Speaker 24: licensing this algorithm, can you really say that it's been

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Speaker 24: sold and it's been put into an American company because

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Speaker 24: China will still control and own the algorithm. So there

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01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 24: are things clearly missing so far from this deal. I

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01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 24: wonder if it will if US Congress had this in

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Speaker 24: mind when they signed the law forcing TikTok to be

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Speaker 24: divested from Byte Dance, had in mind the licensing agreements,

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Speaker 24: because it seems that doesn't really pass muster in terms

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Speaker 24: of what Congress intended.

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Speaker 3: No, certainly that was the main it's it's the reason

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Speaker 3: that this thought came to the fore, right, So fascinating

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Speaker 3: to know that a little bit of detail China hitting

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Speaker 3: for a record one point two trillion dollar trade surplus, Peter, and.

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Speaker 6: That's incredible, isn't it.

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Speaker 24: So that's the biggest trade surplus that any country has

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Speaker 24: had with the rest of the world on record. I mean, basically,

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01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 24: China has got a trade surplus with nearly every single

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Speaker 24: country in the world. And all of this is coming

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Speaker 24: despite these months of sky high US tariffs. It hasn't

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Speaker 24: stopped China's export engine from really powering ahead. So it

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Speaker 24: begs the question, how is this happening? What's going on here? Well,

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Speaker 24: what it appears is that with access to the US

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Speaker 24: markets being curtailed, Chinese manufacturers have been very adept at

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Speaker 24: switching their attention elsewhere. So, for example, with India, the

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01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 24: trade the trade surplus there, Purchases from India are to

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Speaker 24: India by Indians, and all time high shipments to Africa

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Speaker 24: look like they're going to be an annual records. Southeast

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Speaker 24: Asia they're now above what they were before the pandemic.

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Speaker 24: Shipments to the Middle East all time highs.

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Speaker 11: So what it.

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Speaker 24: Appears is that there's this reordering of global trade as

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Speaker 24: certainly as far as China is concerned anyway, and it's

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01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 24: sort of creating a new global trading system that doesn't

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01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 24: include the US. Now you can argue that actually it's

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Speaker 24: the US itself that's cut itself out from this new

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01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 24: reordering of trade, and countries like China had no choice

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01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 24: but to look for new markets. But it is being

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01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 24: very successful in doing this. Now, this is going to

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01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 24: raise concerns because, of course, there are countries that are

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Speaker 24: going to be very fearful about what happens to their

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Speaker 24: own domestic industries if China is exporting to them in

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Speaker 24: vast amounts, you know, cars, evs, auto parts, steel and

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Speaker 24: so on, and we're already seeing, you know, some problems.

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Speaker 24: Indian authorities, for example, have received over fifty applications now

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Speaker 24: for investigations into goods dumped from China. Mexico has already

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Speaker 24: hit pack publicly. It's flow voting tariffs now of fifty

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Speaker 24: percent on Chinese products. So you would think that this

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01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 24: is going to cause some problems because these countries don't

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01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 24: want to see their domestic industry is being devastated by

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Speaker 24: this flood of Chinese exports. China says it's not dumping.

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Speaker 24: It says, you know, it's doing this all fairly and

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Speaker 24: it's just creating demand for high quality products. But not

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01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 24: everyone is convinced by that.

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Speaker 3: We have similar problems here I watched a little bit

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Speaker 3: of shih ing ping of the you in this week

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Speaker 3: in taking a swipe at Donald Trump when it comes

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Speaker 3: to climate change. But there the largest messa in the world.

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Speaker 24: Buy a long shot, absolutely, And there has been some

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Speaker 24: criticism of China's new carbon reduction plan there. What they're

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Speaker 24: saying is they're going to aim for about a seven

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Speaker 24: to ten percent cut in emissions by twenty thirty five

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Speaker 24: from its peak. Now people were hoping that we were

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01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 24: going to see maybe double that to around fifteen percent

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Speaker 24: cut in emissions. Otherwise, there's really no hope of the

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Speaker 24: global temperature rise being restricted to one and a half

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Speaker 24: degrees centigrade above what they were in the pre industrial period.

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Speaker 24: But nevertheless, there is a signal here, and the signal

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Speaker 24: is that China, first of all, is certainly prepared to

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Speaker 24: do something. It is making efforts to try and get

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Speaker 24: its emissions down. It's making huge strides in green energy.

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Speaker 24: I mean, it is the world's leader now in green energy.

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Speaker 24: I mean, look at if you go to Beijing these days,

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Speaker 24: and I believe you used to live in Beijing, you'll

1795
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 24: remember the smog and the pollution that was there. Well,

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01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,959
Speaker 24: that is all gone because everyone is driving electric vehicles

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01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 24: these days. These cities are becoming very high tech, very

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Speaker 24: green en environmentally friendly sort of cities. And you compare

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Speaker 24: that with the US, where basically Donald Trump is saying

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01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:04,959
Speaker 24: changes a con job, and those countries that use renewable

1801
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 24: energy are are destroying themselves. So a very big contrast

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Speaker 24: between the approach that she Jinpig is taking and I

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01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 24: think he was trying to highlight here to what Donald

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Speaker 24: Trump is doing.

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Speaker 3: Peter always fascinating chalks you thinks so much. Peter Lewis

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Speaker 3: O Asia Business correspondent. It's sixteen away from seven. We're

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Speaker 3: head to Gavin Gray next. We won't just talk UK

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01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,759
Speaker 3: news though, I'm also going to ask about the drones,

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01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 3: because how just think about this for a second. You've

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Speaker 3: had now so two airports closed overnight. We had three closed.

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Speaker 3: This is in both Denmark and Norway on Wednesday and Thursday,

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01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 3: so that is two countries, five different incursions of mystery drones.

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01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 3: This is an airport. By the way, people have seen

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01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 3: the drones. How can no one know where they're from

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01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 3: or any clue about what they You know, I know

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01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 3: that model that make I know where those are made.

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01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 3: They must be Russian. Now apparently the same they're not Russian.

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Speaker 3: I'm just fascinated by this and because the disruption causes

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01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 3: on one of these days they had to either divert,

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01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 3: delay or cancel fifty flights. That was just one of them.

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Speaker 3: So we'll get to the bottom of this, hopefully with

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Speaker 3: Devin Gray.

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Speaker 1: Next, everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Ryan Bridge and mes for insurance investments and

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Speaker 1: you're in good hands News Talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be we're turning away from seven News Talks. B

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Speaker 3: Gevin Gray are UK correspondent Gevin what's up with this

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Speaker 3: UK wide digital ideas scheme that Starmer wants to introduce.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, he's due to be announcing this fairly shortly now,

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01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 25: so we're still getting some fairly sketchy ideas about what

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01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 25: he thinks. But he believes such a scheme would help

1832
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 25: crack down on illegal working and also kind of modernize

1833
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 25: the state in that if you've got a smartphone you

1834
01:32:55,720 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 25: could effectively then get access to things like voting. You'd

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01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 25: of course have access if you wanted healthcare as well,

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01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 25: and also anything like banking as well could be on there.

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Speaker 25: So it's an idea that sort of is a rebirth

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Speaker 25: of an idea that the Labor government came up with

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01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 25: under Tony Blair, which wanted to introduce ID cards that

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Speaker 25: was ultimately blocked by the then Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition.

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Speaker 25: But Secure Starma says he's looking at this predominantly I

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01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 25: think is another way of targeting those working illegally in

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01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 25: this country. And we do estimate there could be up

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01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 25: to seven hundred thousand people in the UK who aren't

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01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 25: on anyone's books, in other words, here living sort of

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01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 25: a shadow life, and it's really an attempt to crack

1847
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 25: down on that and then say to employ as well,

1848
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 25: you must have checked their ID and if you didn't

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01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 25: there's a hefty fine. But we'll get more details about

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01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:50,560
Speaker 25: exactly what he thinks later on.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating the opposition that's already coming out to it as well.

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Speaker 3: I saw there was a petition with half a million

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01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 3: signatures already from people saying we don't want.

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Speaker 25: It, and it's always been very, very contentious here in

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01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 25: the UK. That first of all, of course, you might

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01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 25: not have a smartphone. Many elderly people either don't have

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01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 25: a smartphone or would be worried about accessing it. Then

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01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 25: of course there's a fear about hacking into it. We've

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01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 25: had lots of hacks recently. But then there are just

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Speaker 25: people who said, no, you know, why should I why

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Speaker 25: should I be able to prove who I am? Well,

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Speaker 25: I think now there are lots of people are thinking, actually,

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Speaker 25: do you know what? I think it is the way

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Speaker 25: forward because you know, illegal migration is a problem. We've

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01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 25: got people dodging, we've got criminals, etc. So I think

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01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 25: that's really what this is about. But it's going to

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01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 25: be an uphill battle for the Prime Minister to get

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01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 25: the support of his own party, let alone the other parties.

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Speaker 3: Gavin, what be How serious is this idea that Tony

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Speaker 3: Bleier might hit some sort of temporary administration of the

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Speaker 3: Gaza strip.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, when I first read this run I thought this

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01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 25: was some kind of a spoof story, But the White

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01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 25: House has apparently given its backing now to see Tony

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Speaker 25: Blair head a temporary administration. Now initially that would be

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01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 25: without the direct involvement of the Palestinian authority. This according

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01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 25: to Israeli media reports. And this proposal basically he would

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01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 25: lead a body called the Gaza International Transitional authority that

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01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 25: would have this mandate really to be what's called the

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Speaker 25: supreme political and legal authority for up to five years.

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Speaker 25: And according to these reports, it's going to be modeled

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Speaker 25: on administrations that initially oversaw transitions to statehood, like in Kosovo.

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Speaker 25: Of course, the proposal suggests that GITTER that Gaza International

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01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:39,440
Speaker 25: Transitional Authority could at first be based in an Egyptian

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01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 25: provincial capital near the border with Gaza, but eventually enter

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01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 25: the territory. But the idea Tony Blair, former Prime Minister

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Speaker 25: here of course in the UK, could be head of

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01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 25: the Secretariat with up to twenty five people in chair

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01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 25: a seven person board to oversee. This is really left field,

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01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 25: but it's something that the White House at least seemed

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01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 25: quite excited about.

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Speaker 3: Given eny and where these drones are coming from and

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Speaker 3: disrupting all the airports.

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Speaker 25: No, and that is something that Denmark's really worried about.

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Speaker 25: So over the last couple of days Denmark has been

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Speaker 25: attacked or by drones, I say attacked. Basically drones have

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Speaker 25: been flying over airports. It's led to the closure of

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Speaker 25: airports several airports in Denmark, also Oslo Airport in Norway,

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Speaker 25: and of course there's been lots of activity of Russian

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Speaker 25: drones and aircraft over other people's airspace, and so the

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Speaker 25: Danes haven't ruled out Russian involvement here. What's worrying though,

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Speaker 25: run is at least one of the airports closed in

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Speaker 25: Denmark and they won't shoot the drones down the drones

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01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 25: down because it's over densely populated areas. But there are

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01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 25: a couple of these airports, or at least one of

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01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 25: them are used for military aircraft as well, so they

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01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 25: weren't able to fly and that's why some people suspect

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Speaker 25: this is Russia testing NATO's capability and testing have wariness

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Speaker 25: and their readiness for a potential.

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Speaker 3: Conflictkevin, thank you very much, Kevin Gray, a UK correspondent.

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Speaker 3: It is eight minutes away, so still a bit of

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Speaker 3: a mystery. Thea eight minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 3: Or would you look at that It's five to seven

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Speaker 3: on news Talk ZEDB of a Friday evening and that

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Speaker 3: means that I will be leaving you from Drive and

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Speaker 3: hen that will be back on Monday. I'll be back

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Speaker 3: on early edition from five am Monday morning. Look forward

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Speaker 3: to seeing hearing from you. Then before we go, though,

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Speaker 3: Libby's got a song for us. Libby, what are we

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Speaker 3: going out to tonight?

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Speaker 22: I'm taking us out on some Queen. I've chosen fat

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Speaker 22: bottomed girls because why not. But I'm playing this because

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Speaker 22: Brian May has said that they have been back in

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Speaker 22: the studio as a band. Oh and you might think, oh, well,

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Speaker 22: who's going to be singing, But of course they've been

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Speaker 22: touring with Adam Lambert in recent years and he's in

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Speaker 22: the studio with them and making your music.

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Speaker 3: That's cool. He's got a fantastic voice with a great range,

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Speaker 3: does Adam Lambert. Look forward to hearing that music and

1932
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Speaker 3: look forward to a bit of Queen on your Friday nights.

1933
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Speaker 3: See you Monday morning, bright and early bright, early bushy tail,

1934
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Speaker 3: Hei the back Monday, No Queen?

1935
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Speaker 20: Still where up.

1936
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Speaker 2: There?

1937
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Speaker 6: Right?

1938
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Speaker 10: Ride?

1939
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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Dupe Less see Alan Drive, Listen

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Speaker 1: live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,

1941
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