WEBVTT - Sports Fix: Friday 21 March 2025 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:12.693 You're listening to a podcast from News Talks EDB. Follow 0:00:12.773 --> 0:00:16.133 this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:17.413 --> 0:00:20.453 This is Sportsfix Howard by News Talks ed B. 0:00:21.893 --> 0:00:25.093 Welcome in too Friday. Welcome into the Friday edition of 0:00:25.133 --> 0:00:28.053 the Sports Fix podcast for the twenty first of March, 0:00:28.373 --> 0:00:30.853 at the beginning of what I think is probably the 0:00:30.933 --> 0:00:34.453 busiest sporting weekend of twenty twenty five so far. I 0:00:34.493 --> 0:00:36.373 know that's a bold claim, but I'm going to stick 0:00:36.373 --> 0:00:37.813 to what I'm Jason Pine. 0:00:37.493 --> 0:00:43.093 It's immense rugby union, rugby league, cricket, Formula One football. 0:00:43.413 --> 0:00:46.173 I don't know where to stop. It is vast. I 0:00:46.213 --> 0:00:49.133 think we're going to have no sleep and fifty screens 0:00:49.213 --> 0:00:51.573 running all of the same time. By an m. Darci Watergrave. 0:00:51.773 --> 0:00:53.093 Welcome into the Fixed podcast. 0:00:53.173 --> 0:00:54.573 Yeah, it's great to have you here. Dar It's great 0:00:54.573 --> 0:00:56.573 to be chatting to He is always on Sports Fix 0:00:56.613 --> 0:00:59.093 with so much to talk about. I've got some thoughts 0:00:59.133 --> 0:01:01.093 on the All Whites. Actually, we want to kick around 0:01:01.093 --> 0:01:03.213 a few things in the chamber. Who have we got 0:01:03.213 --> 0:01:04.893 In terms of a guest today. 0:01:04.733 --> 0:01:08.093 Piney, You'll be having a yarn with Barry Tomlinson. He's 0:01:08.133 --> 0:01:11.613 the and set up the Toy and Erasing Series over 0:01:11.693 --> 0:01:15.973 twenty years ago. A number of Formula One drivers actually 0:01:16.013 --> 0:01:19.773 went through that series, including of course Liam Lawson and 0:01:19.933 --> 0:01:22.133 Barry Tomlinson joining us in ops. 0:01:22.173 --> 0:01:24.373 Given a jump looking forward to that, All right, let's 0:01:24.373 --> 0:01:30.373 get into it. In other news, Let's begin with a 0:01:30.373 --> 0:01:33.413 look at the big sports stories around today. Complacency has 0:01:33.493 --> 0:01:36.053 been kicked into touch by the All Whites ahead of 0:01:36.053 --> 0:01:39.013 tonight's Feaker World Cup qualifying semi final against Fiji, and 0:01:39.053 --> 0:01:43.293 Wellington or Whites coach Darren Baisley says upsets can happen 0:01:43.293 --> 0:01:47.053 in football, but it's usually because of overconfidence. 0:01:46.333 --> 0:01:49.293 And normally when that happens it's because the higher ranked ten, 0:01:49.573 --> 0:01:50.973 you know, have been bit complacent. 0:01:51.093 --> 0:01:52.373 You're not going to get that with these guys. 0:01:52.493 --> 0:01:55.453 They're hungry, they're ready. Players selected want to prove that 0:01:55.493 --> 0:01:57.253 they're the ones that should be selected and the ones 0:01:57.293 --> 0:01:58.973 that haven't been are ready to come on and prove 0:01:59.013 --> 0:02:00.653 that they should have been. Starting the can. 0:02:00.733 --> 0:02:05.053 Melbourne Storm have won an attritional contest thirty twenty four 0:02:05.213 --> 0:02:08.013 against the Penrith Panthers to open Round three in Rugby 0:02:08.093 --> 0:02:18.933 Leagues NRL. The Panther's had to battle most of the 0:02:18.933 --> 0:02:23.013 game worth out play maker Skipper Nathan Cleary, and the 0:02:23.053 --> 0:02:28.093 new Olympic President has been revealed in Costabarino in. 0:02:27.973 --> 0:02:34.573 Greece's elected as then the President of the International Olympic Committee, 0:02:34.893 --> 0:02:36.053 Missus Kirsty. 0:02:35.813 --> 0:02:42.253 Coventry incumbent Thomas bark there unveiling Kirsty Coventry as his successor. 0:02:43.653 --> 0:02:48.053 This is Sportsfex, your daily dose of sports news powered 0:02:48.053 --> 0:02:49.013 by News Talks Evy. 0:02:49.533 --> 0:02:52.013 It's warm. WelCom now to the Sports Facts podcast. Who 0:02:52.093 --> 0:02:54.933 Barry Tomlinson. Barry was one of the founders of the 0:02:54.973 --> 0:02:58.053 Toyota Racing Series, a series where a number of young 0:02:58.173 --> 0:03:01.733 Formula One drivers cut their teeth. He joins us, Now, 0:03:02.093 --> 0:03:03.053 good day to you, Barry. 0:03:03.293 --> 0:03:04.453 Hi, good evening, Darcy. 0:03:04.533 --> 0:03:05.533 Great to talk to you. 0:03:05.453 --> 0:03:08.133 And great to have you on board. What another massive 0:03:08.493 --> 0:03:13.213 keen for young Liam Lawson and of course Lim who's 0:03:13.213 --> 0:03:15.653 had a wonderful start. And we can't avoid this. You're 0:03:15.693 --> 0:03:18.213 the founder of the Toyota Racing Series, which is now 0:03:18.773 --> 0:03:22.773 ct Frock. This is a series that has catapulted so 0:03:22.933 --> 0:03:26.453 many young drivers, not just New Zealanders, but young drivers 0:03:26.653 --> 0:03:29.413 into the wonderful wide world of Formula One. You must 0:03:29.493 --> 0:03:32.253 sit back, Barry and look at the grid and look 0:03:32.253 --> 0:03:34.693 at the names and go, wow, they cut their teeth 0:03:34.973 --> 0:03:37.573 in New Zealand through a series that I helped found. 0:03:37.653 --> 0:03:39.293 Must be cugely satisfying for you. 0:03:39.933 --> 0:03:42.813 Yeah, very much so, Darcy. And you know, my wife 0:03:42.893 --> 0:03:46.093 Louise and I and along with Toyota, you know, we 0:03:46.133 --> 0:03:49.053 can we can be very proud of what we achieved 0:03:49.093 --> 0:03:52.133 setting that series up back and oh for and you 0:03:52.173 --> 0:03:55.693 know the year now you look around the world actually 0:03:55.853 --> 0:03:58.893 and motors sports and you know, obviously Formula One, Lando 0:03:59.013 --> 0:04:03.253 Norris was here with his large stroll, both Champions and Terrors, 0:04:03.573 --> 0:04:07.293 and you know and Liam and Brendan Hartley, all these guys. 0:04:08.373 --> 0:04:11.773 You know, we saw them when they were young here 0:04:11.773 --> 0:04:14.613 in New Zealand. And yes, we have very proud to 0:04:14.693 --> 0:04:16.693 be able to sit back and watch them around the 0:04:16.693 --> 0:04:20.213 world and in sports car racing and all sorts of things. 0:04:20.013 --> 0:04:21.333 That's that's quite incredible. 0:04:21.373 --> 0:04:24.693 Really tough start, but I think under the circumstances he 0:04:24.773 --> 0:04:30.893 did very well. I'd never raced in Albert Park in Melbourne, Ford, 0:04:30.933 --> 0:04:33.773 didn't know the place. It was wet. He had no 0:04:33.933 --> 0:04:36.013 time at the start because his car broke, so he 0:04:36.013 --> 0:04:39.493 didn't get any time to circulate. I think that if 0:04:39.533 --> 0:04:42.813 anything could have gone wrong, it did. How do you 0:04:42.893 --> 0:04:45.373 feel that he presented after that? He got that fast 0:04:45.373 --> 0:04:47.693 at lap It was on slecks and he ended up 0:04:48.253 --> 0:04:50.973 in the scenery. But he showed it enough, didn't he 0:04:51.093 --> 0:04:53.333 that he is going to be worthy of the seat. 0:04:54.213 --> 0:04:56.293 Yes, So, I mean if we sort of go back 0:04:56.333 --> 0:04:59.493 to the you know, to last year and getting into 0:04:59.493 --> 0:05:02.893 the VCARB team, I mean, you know, unfortunately missed the 0:05:02.933 --> 0:05:05.653 opportunity to get in at the start of the series. 0:05:05.653 --> 0:05:09.333 You know, famously Daniel Ricardo kind of took that seat, 0:05:09.413 --> 0:05:12.533 and so that Liam missed the opportunity to run in Melbourne, 0:05:12.573 --> 0:05:15.373 you know, last season, and then obviously had kind of 0:05:15.373 --> 0:05:18.413 a half season when they dropped Daniel and put Liam 0:05:18.453 --> 0:05:20.853 in there, and you know, and then for you know, 0:05:20.933 --> 0:05:23.613 Liam to make the step into Red Bull Racing and 0:05:23.693 --> 0:05:27.213 arrive at Melbourne. You know, the circuit is a very 0:05:27.253 --> 0:05:31.093 difficult circuit. It's a very flat circuit. It's a it's 0:05:31.213 --> 0:05:35.213 part street, part permanent, a lot of white lines, there 0:05:35.213 --> 0:05:37.293 are a lot of bike lane lines and all sorts 0:05:37.333 --> 0:05:40.973 of things over the circuit. And then yes, unfortunately in practice, 0:05:41.173 --> 0:05:42.853 you know, he was getting up to speed in a 0:05:42.893 --> 0:05:45.333 car in a circuit that he didn't really know, and 0:05:45.373 --> 0:05:49.013 then of course got to the very important f P 0:05:49.213 --> 0:05:53.493 three on Saturday morning in the car, unfortunately they had 0:05:53.493 --> 0:05:56.173 a problem and he completed no lapse and you know 0:05:56.333 --> 0:05:59.733 f P three is the most important session really of 0:05:59.933 --> 0:06:03.453 the weekend leading into qualifying, and of course, you know, 0:06:03.533 --> 0:06:06.053 then got into the car and qualifying, didn't know what 0:06:06.173 --> 0:06:10.533 he had under him and and unfortunately, you know, probably 0:06:10.573 --> 0:06:12.853 he would admit that he kind of overdrove it a 0:06:12.853 --> 0:06:14.693 little bit, made a couple of mistakes, but you know, 0:06:15.213 --> 0:06:17.773 those things happen when you didn't know what he had 0:06:17.853 --> 0:06:20.533 under him, and so you know, it was a really 0:06:20.533 --> 0:06:23.533 difficult start to the weekend for him, and you know, 0:06:23.573 --> 0:06:25.293 and then that led him too the race, which was 0:06:25.573 --> 0:06:26.293 obviously wet. 0:06:27.093 --> 0:06:30.013 A lot of people ask me how long is the 0:06:30.053 --> 0:06:32.493 piece of string between when they decide we're going to 0:06:32.533 --> 0:06:35.013 drop kicking like they have done with every other number 0:06:35.013 --> 0:06:38.733 two driver in Red Bull. I'd suggest it's quite long 0:06:39.093 --> 0:06:41.013 for Limb, because I think they've got to stop this 0:06:41.093 --> 0:06:43.373 kind of behavior and they've got to develop the next tier. 0:06:43.373 --> 0:06:44.973 I don't know how long Max is going to be 0:06:45.053 --> 0:06:48.893 around for. They've given him some pretty harsh steps like 0:06:49.053 --> 0:06:52.733 point three of a second to follow Max around. But 0:06:53.333 --> 0:06:56.053 I think they're going to give him a lot longer 0:06:56.573 --> 0:06:59.613 to settle this time around, and I think he'll settle 0:06:59.653 --> 0:07:01.893 quicker than they think. Is it a fair statement, Barry? 0:07:02.613 --> 0:07:06.413 Yeah, so yes, there's very much so Dars, you know, 0:07:06.493 --> 0:07:09.293 he yeah, you know, there's a lot talked about the 0:07:09.413 --> 0:07:11.573 point three off Max. Well, you know that actually is 0:07:11.653 --> 0:07:13.613 quite a standard kind of clause and a form of 0:07:13.693 --> 0:07:16.133 one contractors that you must be within two or three 0:07:16.173 --> 0:07:19.133 tenths of your teammate, very standard kind of thing, so 0:07:19.173 --> 0:07:23.093 that's not unusual and you know from there, you know, 0:07:24.693 --> 0:07:27.893 you know, yeah, he will definitely be able to find 0:07:27.933 --> 0:07:31.853 that pace in the car and yeah, yeah, so yeah, 0:07:31.933 --> 0:07:34.333 it's going to be an interesting weekend to watch. It's 0:07:34.333 --> 0:07:37.573 a tough one, isn't it for the sprint you know race, 0:07:38.253 --> 0:07:40.013 But again that's a good thing because you know in 0:07:40.053 --> 0:07:41.933 the end there will be a few sprint races through 0:07:41.973 --> 0:07:45.413 the year for Liam and it's great that he gets 0:07:45.453 --> 0:07:48.853 that very early on, that experience one practice session into 0:07:48.893 --> 0:07:51.293 a sprint qualifier and then into the sprint race, you know, 0:07:51.333 --> 0:07:54.053 so that it's good. It'll be a good weekend for 0:07:54.093 --> 0:07:55.493 him this weekend, I'm sure you know. 0:07:55.773 --> 0:07:58.413 And how long do you think he's got How long 0:07:58.493 --> 0:08:00.693 before Red Bull gets shortage? Do you think I'm right 0:08:00.773 --> 0:08:02.413 in that when they've got to give him longer this time, 0:08:02.453 --> 0:08:04.853 they're running out of options. They can't keep treating their 0:08:04.933 --> 0:08:06.773 drivers like that. Yeah. 0:08:06.933 --> 0:08:09.693 So yeah, that was the other point to your question, 0:08:09.773 --> 0:08:12.533 which I actually lost, Sorry Darcy, but you to come 0:08:12.573 --> 0:08:15.933 back to that point. So, look, you know that in 0:08:16.013 --> 0:08:18.653 the media are saying three to five races and all 0:08:18.693 --> 0:08:21.533 this kind of carry on. But as you've pointed out, Darcy, 0:08:22.413 --> 0:08:24.933 there's a damn strong chance that Max is going to 0:08:25.013 --> 0:08:29.653 walk at some point. Red Bull absolutely have to you know, 0:08:30.013 --> 0:08:33.933 actually develop some talent. And you know they haven't taken 0:08:34.053 --> 0:08:37.773 Limb into that seat for five races. You know, they've 0:08:37.773 --> 0:08:40.013 looked at the guy last year, They've had him in 0:08:40.053 --> 0:08:44.213 the sim multiple times. You know, they know what they have. 0:08:45.213 --> 0:08:47.333 They would not have put him in that seat if 0:08:47.373 --> 0:08:50.293 they didn't believe that Liam Lawson can develop into a 0:08:50.333 --> 0:08:54.613 world class, potential world champion. You know. So I think, 0:08:54.733 --> 0:08:57.333 you know, forget the three to five races. To forget 0:08:57.373 --> 0:09:00.293 that's just all media hight Zach Brown at McLaren he's 0:09:00.333 --> 0:09:03.253 going on saying, you know that there are Liam's, you know, 0:09:03.333 --> 0:09:05.853 the skids are under Lamb. Well, you know, Zach is 0:09:05.933 --> 0:09:09.893 just the master of creating situation. You know, you're just 0:09:09.973 --> 0:09:12.373 always trying to put pressure on other teams by all 0:09:12.413 --> 0:09:14.613 these kind of you know, all this kind of talk. 0:09:14.653 --> 0:09:16.893 He was into Horner last year, wasn't he and all 0:09:16.933 --> 0:09:19.693 that stuff. So I think let's let's ignore all that 0:09:19.773 --> 0:09:23.093 rubbish and media in New Zealand, let's ignore it and 0:09:23.293 --> 0:09:25.893 let's actually sort of start to really get in behind 0:09:25.973 --> 0:09:29.133 Limb and really give him some home support. You know, 0:09:29.173 --> 0:09:32.453 That's that's the key, and stop all the social media 0:09:32.533 --> 0:09:35.053 rubbish that goes on, and you know, let's all be 0:09:35.093 --> 0:09:37.213 positive for him. I think that's a real key point 0:09:37.253 --> 0:09:38.013 here us. 0:09:38.373 --> 0:09:41.933 I talked to his old man Jared last week about this, 0:09:42.093 --> 0:09:44.893 and he'd been home settling and like, you know, where 0:09:44.933 --> 0:09:48.973 he belongs, where he's comfortble, I said, Jared, can he 0:09:49.053 --> 0:09:52.613 clean his room yet? And nothing's changed. So it's nice 0:09:52.613 --> 0:09:54.973 to see you still just a down home kid. Hey, Barry, 0:09:55.213 --> 0:09:58.053 thanks very much for joining us. A real pleasure. Enjoy 0:09:58.093 --> 0:10:01.373 your week in in fact, enjoy the entire year. This 0:10:01.493 --> 0:10:03.293 is so so much fun. 0:10:04.133 --> 0:10:08.173 I look forward to talking to you again, dus Sports perfects. 0:10:08.613 --> 0:10:11.293 The All Whites are about to embark on the final 0:10:11.373 --> 0:10:14.133 push towards the fief of World Cup next year. Tonight 0:10:14.333 --> 0:10:17.853 they meet Fiji in Wellington. Win that which they should, 0:10:18.213 --> 0:10:20.773 and it's onto Eden Park on Monday night where I'll 0:10:20.773 --> 0:10:24.093 play the winner of today's first semi between New Caledonia 0:10:24.133 --> 0:10:28.213 and Tahiti. Win that which again they should, and their 0:10:28.253 --> 0:10:31.773 ticket is punched to an expanded forty eight teen World 0:10:31.813 --> 0:10:35.333 Cup next year. Now the expansion, of course, means direct 0:10:35.573 --> 0:10:38.213 entry for Oceania into the World Cup for the first 0:10:38.253 --> 0:10:40.493 time ever, which of course has made the road to 0:10:40.533 --> 0:10:43.893 next year's tournament far less challenging than it's been in 0:10:43.933 --> 0:10:47.813 the past. Into continental playoffs for the last three World 0:10:47.853 --> 0:10:52.213 Cups against Mexico, Peru and Costa Rica have been too 0:10:52.293 --> 0:10:55.693 big a hurdle that after the iconic, drama packed win 0:10:55.733 --> 0:10:58.333 over Bahrain which sent the All Whites to the World 0:10:58.333 --> 0:11:01.493 Cup in twenty ten. But just because the path is 0:11:01.573 --> 0:11:07.013 different doesn't make the end result any less significant. Footballers 0:11:07.173 --> 0:11:10.733 all around the globe grow up dreaming of playing at 0:11:10.773 --> 0:11:14.333 a World Cup, and New Zealand's current crop are absolutely 0:11:14.373 --> 0:11:17.093 no different. And they haven't made the rules. They have 0:11:17.173 --> 0:11:21.373 simply found themselves in this situation. Yes, their squad of 0:11:21.413 --> 0:11:25.253 fully fledged professionals should have far too much for Fiji 0:11:25.293 --> 0:11:28.693 tonight and whoever they play on Monday night, but there 0:11:28.733 --> 0:11:32.533 will still be elation when and if the final whistle 0:11:32.533 --> 0:11:35.693 blows on Monday night and their goal has been achieved. 0:11:35.933 --> 0:11:39.373 Then attention will turn to the World Cup itself, where 0:11:39.413 --> 0:11:44.413 this team won't be satisfied simply with participation. They all 0:11:44.453 --> 0:11:47.373 believe they belong on the same stage as some of 0:11:47.373 --> 0:11:51.293 the superpowers of world football and can get results once 0:11:51.333 --> 0:11:55.013 they get there. For now, though, they'll be saying, let's 0:11:55.413 --> 0:11:56.413 just get there. 0:11:56.733 --> 0:12:00.133 The chamber is now in session on Sportsfax. 0:12:01.733 --> 0:12:05.453 Let's pop inside the chamber where debate can run rife 0:12:05.933 --> 0:12:08.333 and conversation as well. Or we can be in passion 0:12:08.533 --> 0:12:11.813 an agreement some of the time, or passionate disagreement. That's 0:12:11.813 --> 0:12:13.693 what the nature of our business is all about. 0:12:13.733 --> 0:12:16.093 Passion Right, If you're not passionate about what you do, 0:12:16.173 --> 0:12:19.533 if you're not passionate about sport, get in the sea, 0:12:19.813 --> 0:12:20.213 here you go. 0:12:20.693 --> 0:12:22.373 I'm not sure there be too many listening to the 0:12:22.493 --> 0:12:27.173 Sports Folks podcast who are at least some eaves. 0:12:26.893 --> 0:12:29.413 Dropping in the car, you know, going, honey, do we 0:12:29.453 --> 0:12:30.573 really have to listen to these guys? 0:12:31.093 --> 0:12:33.253 Yeah, well that's great having you on board, regardless of 0:12:33.253 --> 0:12:35.813 whether you're being held hostage or you're here from your 0:12:35.853 --> 0:12:38.933 own free will. Hey, Dus, I want to jump straight 0:12:38.973 --> 0:12:42.493 to tonight because I'm going to be at at Sky Stadium 0:12:42.493 --> 0:12:45.053 and Wellington calling the All Whites. Now, that's just one 0:12:45.493 --> 0:12:48.733 of a number of sports that is happening in our 0:12:49.093 --> 0:12:52.093 fair country tonight. We've got the football, We've got a 0:12:52.173 --> 0:12:54.133 double head of Eden Park with the White Ferns and 0:12:54.173 --> 0:12:56.973 the Black Caps, and T twenty cricket. The Warriors are 0:12:56.973 --> 0:13:00.293 back in action tonight and Mawana Pacifica against the Chiefs 0:13:00.333 --> 0:13:02.293 and Super Rugby. As you said in the intro, you 0:13:02.373 --> 0:13:05.653 need about fifty screens. But where is your main attention 0:13:05.813 --> 0:13:06.533 going to be tonight? 0:13:06.773 --> 0:13:07.413 Shanghai? 0:13:08.173 --> 0:13:10.173 I didn't even mention Grand Prix. 0:13:10.653 --> 0:13:14.453 I didn't even mention it's only the free practice. But 0:13:14.613 --> 0:13:16.973 with this time around over in Shang High Place, I've 0:13:16.973 --> 0:13:19.213 actually been lucky enough to visit being to the race there. 0:13:19.973 --> 0:13:22.373 It's a sprint weekend, so very short amount of time 0:13:22.413 --> 0:13:24.053 on the track for Liam Lawson, so I'll be keeping 0:13:24.093 --> 0:13:26.333 an eye on that out of all of these games. 0:13:26.333 --> 0:13:29.893 I suppose the Warres is something that I'm fond of 0:13:30.213 --> 0:13:32.533 very much so, and just looking to see if they're 0:13:32.533 --> 0:13:35.013 going to carry on this mercurial behavior that they've been 0:13:35.053 --> 0:13:38.173 set with for the last two decades. After last week, 0:13:38.453 --> 0:13:41.213 same team, piney, how long? How many times has that 0:13:41.293 --> 0:13:45.533 happened that the Warriors filled the same team three consecutive games. 0:13:45.533 --> 0:13:47.613 That's got to be a rarity, isn't that very rare? 0:13:47.733 --> 0:13:50.333 Yeah? I mean for form reasons and mainly injury reagions 0:13:50.373 --> 0:13:53.213 as well, and the coaches, you know, delectation with different 0:13:53.693 --> 0:13:56.053 different you know lineups. I've just had a quick look. 0:13:56.133 --> 0:13:58.773 The Warriors our favorite on our tab to beat the 0:13:58.853 --> 0:13:59.453 Roosters tonight. 0:13:59.493 --> 0:14:02.653 Have they got that right? What did the Roosters do 0:14:02.853 --> 0:14:03.493 last week? 0:14:03.893 --> 0:14:06.013 Yeah? I think they have got it right. In other words, 0:14:06.093 --> 0:14:06.933 wo yeah, but you. 0:14:06.933 --> 0:14:09.213 Don't know because they've got man in the week before 0:14:09.333 --> 0:14:11.493 and then they started off with that try and everyone's like, 0:14:11.493 --> 0:14:14.173 oh not again, and then suddenly three tries bang banm bang. 0:14:14.413 --> 0:14:15.613 Oh different story. 0:14:15.693 --> 0:14:15.853 You know. 0:14:15.973 --> 0:14:20.093 Last week, the Warriors held on, they pushed it home, 0:14:20.173 --> 0:14:22.693 they won it, They did it well, and that was, 0:14:22.853 --> 0:14:25.573 as they say in the vernacular, pleasing. 0:14:25.813 --> 0:14:27.693 Yeah it was. I just checked the Roosters, of course 0:14:27.733 --> 0:14:30.133 beat the Panthers. I should have remembered that. So yeah, 0:14:30.173 --> 0:14:32.733 I think a team that's beaten the four time defending 0:14:32.853 --> 0:14:36.453 champions not being favorite in their next game does raise 0:14:36.453 --> 0:14:38.213 the old ol break. Look it's not We're not talking 0:14:38.213 --> 0:14:41.493 a dollar five pays eight dollars here. It'll be a 0:14:41.533 --> 0:14:44.133 tight contest. I was gonna ask you as well. We're 0:14:44.213 --> 0:14:45.693 jumping around all over the place here, but I'm gonna 0:14:45.693 --> 0:14:47.253 ask you about this really weird thing I heard you're 0:14:47.253 --> 0:14:49.613 talking about on Sports Talk last night with the Chiefs 0:14:50.333 --> 0:14:53.413 water boy or medical trainer or whatever. It is, kicking 0:14:53.453 --> 0:14:56.093 the ball away after a try to try and soak 0:14:56.173 --> 0:14:58.453 up some of the sixty seconds that a player is 0:14:58.493 --> 0:15:00.053 now allowed to convert. Said try. 0:15:00.213 --> 0:15:04.333 It smacks of it's my ball and older, I want 0:15:04.413 --> 0:15:05.893 if you're not going to walk off with it. There 0:15:05.973 --> 0:15:10.413 was petulant child behavior. Now don't know Clayton McMillan, I've 0:15:10.453 --> 0:15:13.213 interviewed him, never met the guy, but I'd say he'd 0:15:13.253 --> 0:15:16.413 be ropeable. He'd be furious. That's not the way the 0:15:16.493 --> 0:15:18.733 Chiefs go about their business and that's just Paul, and 0:15:18.773 --> 0:15:21.573 I think once you can say, well was that a 0:15:21.653 --> 0:15:25.213 mistake or was that with malice? Second time? Bro? What 0:15:25.293 --> 0:15:25.813 are you doing? 0:15:25.893 --> 0:15:25.933 So? 0:15:26.373 --> 0:15:28.693 Why do people do this? It's not like they're hiding. 0:15:28.733 --> 0:15:30.253 You can see everybody can see it. 0:15:31.253 --> 0:15:33.853 There are forty eight cameras at a rugby game, I'm sure, 0:15:34.013 --> 0:15:35.653 and many more in the crowd too. Who are going 0:15:35.693 --> 0:15:37.293 to pick this sort of thing up? You're right, I 0:15:37.373 --> 0:15:39.853 just think the ball is not yours to play with 0:15:40.053 --> 0:15:42.053 here tonight. If you want to play with the ball, 0:15:42.093 --> 0:15:44.253 go home and play with your own ball, but you 0:15:44.293 --> 0:15:46.533 don't play with the rugby ball and the Super Rugby match. 0:15:46.573 --> 0:15:50.333 You're there to run water or provide medical assistance. Don't 0:15:50.333 --> 0:15:53.453 touch the ball, particularly when it's going to actually contravene 0:15:54.133 --> 0:15:55.973 the regulations and you're going to get a fine. I 0:15:55.973 --> 0:15:57.093 hope he has to pay the fine. 0:15:57.133 --> 0:15:59.093 Personally, I think it should have been more than a 0:15:59.133 --> 0:16:02.053 fine to really I suppose put a stamp on it 0:16:02.053 --> 0:16:04.013 and say we will not put up with this. Although 0:16:04.013 --> 0:16:05.733 I say, if the fine is fifty k, maybe it 0:16:05.773 --> 0:16:09.053 does mean something. But what happened with that is Plumber 0:16:09.453 --> 0:16:12.573 missed that conversion because he was hurried. Yeah, they're twenty 0:16:12.613 --> 0:16:14.413 seconds and he got in there and he poked it wide. 0:16:14.493 --> 0:16:17.613 Now forty minutes later, they lost the game by one point. 0:16:17.653 --> 0:16:19.893 And you can't look back at one point. Go there's 0:16:19.933 --> 0:16:21.813 the loss of the game right there. You know, you 0:16:21.853 --> 0:16:24.013 go back a couple of faces right when it comes 0:16:24.053 --> 0:16:26.773 to the TMO. So can you go back an entire 0:16:26.853 --> 0:16:30.453 half and go? Wow? But there's an argument they didn't 0:16:30.533 --> 0:16:33.893 lose it because of that. But it was not helpful 0:16:33.933 --> 0:16:37.093 and it shouldn't even be in the playbook. No one 0:16:37.093 --> 0:16:39.333 should be talking about things like this, not now. 0:16:39.453 --> 0:16:42.453 Really, No, I agree, Blues Crusaders tomorrow night. Just quickly? 0:16:42.493 --> 0:16:44.493 Who you got? Oh silly question. I'll tell you what? 0:16:44.573 --> 0:16:46.613 Shall I shall? I? Shall I say? Who I've got? 0:16:46.733 --> 0:16:46.893 See? 0:16:46.973 --> 0:16:48.493 I've got no skin in this game? If what asking 0:16:48.533 --> 0:16:51.493 you about a Crusader's game? Although having said that, I 0:16:51.493 --> 0:16:53.933 I mean Crusaders fifty five points last week and the 0:16:53.933 --> 0:16:56.893 Sunshine and Christ shoots the Blues are one and four again. 0:16:56.973 --> 0:16:59.213 This is only a tab take on it, but the 0:16:59.253 --> 0:17:01.173 Blues are favorite. Is this the Eden Park thing? 0:17:01.213 --> 0:17:04.453 Do you think this is crazy? They've done this before. 0:17:04.493 --> 0:17:06.693 They did it in a Super final a couple of years ago. 0:17:06.813 --> 0:17:09.653 You know after the Blues are bay the unbeaten and yep, 0:17:09.813 --> 0:17:11.733 say it has just rolled straight over the top of them. 0:17:12.093 --> 0:17:14.853 I'd be worried because they have. The Blues have got 0:17:15.013 --> 0:17:19.053 so many players unfit who aren't there, that can't play, 0:17:19.493 --> 0:17:23.613 and there's some of their superstars right across the entire paddock, 0:17:24.013 --> 0:17:26.733 whereas the Crusaders are starting to roll their back end 0:17:26.733 --> 0:17:28.813 again and they haven't won away from home since twenty 0:17:28.853 --> 0:17:32.373 twenty three, so they've got a lot to play for 0:17:33.773 --> 0:17:36.973 we all respect. I hope the Blues do well, primarily 0:17:37.013 --> 0:17:38.813 because I'll be there in a Crusaders jersey, and if 0:17:38.813 --> 0:17:42.413 the Crusaders win, I'll be running to an uber before 0:17:44.213 --> 0:17:44.453 I love. 0:17:44.533 --> 0:17:46.173 I'll be down sideline. I'll look out for the man 0:17:46.213 --> 0:17:47.653 in the red and black in the stand and say, 0:17:47.653 --> 0:17:51.453 there's my mate Dares taking a beating. Well, hopefully not. 0:17:51.493 --> 0:17:54.293 I think we're more civilized than that. Just before we 0:17:54.373 --> 0:17:56.413 entered the chamber, I know you've you've always been a 0:17:56.453 --> 0:17:58.533 big fan of the Breakers. You've kept very close eyes 0:17:58.573 --> 0:18:01.693 on them over many many years, spoken to probably every 0:18:01.733 --> 0:18:05.413 player and coach and backroom staff member who's ever been 0:18:05.413 --> 0:18:07.013 involved with the club. What do you make of the sale. 0:18:07.173 --> 0:18:09.013 Well, this is a clean out, isn't it. From what 0:18:09.093 --> 0:18:11.413 I can gather as they're cleaning out their front office 0:18:11.453 --> 0:18:14.733 as well. They're just going to change everything. And I 0:18:14.733 --> 0:18:17.133 don't know, have too many fans to be overly upset 0:18:17.333 --> 0:18:20.333 by that. They got off to a great start this 0:18:20.413 --> 0:18:23.053 season but then it just all fell away. They've had 0:18:23.133 --> 0:18:26.253 tough times. I'm not quite sure if they're correctly focused. 0:18:26.293 --> 0:18:29.253 Let's hope these new owners are. I think some of 0:18:29.253 --> 0:18:33.093 the decisions made by Matt Walsh were poor at best. 0:18:33.213 --> 0:18:34.813 But I've never run a basketball team. You know what 0:18:34.933 --> 0:18:37.093 initially thought Binney thought, Oh, the black Walls are back, 0:18:37.213 --> 0:18:37.613 they've gone. 0:18:37.693 --> 0:18:39.333 Look, yes, I thought that too. 0:18:39.613 --> 0:18:42.293 Sustaining our show to give it back? 0:18:42.333 --> 0:18:44.413 I thought that too, But no, it's the Greists brothers 0:18:44.413 --> 0:18:47.333 from Wellington. Who I'm from Wellington. I hadn't heard of 0:18:47.373 --> 0:18:50.133 these guys. They have Flyn very much under the radar 0:18:50.213 --> 0:18:54.013 here in Wellington. Successful in a business sense, and as 0:18:54.013 --> 0:18:57.333 you say, you know, look they probably need something, don't they. 0:18:57.373 --> 0:18:58.933 What well it mean for the players. The players will 0:18:58.973 --> 0:19:00.853 keep their jobs those under contract, won't they. 0:19:01.133 --> 0:19:03.573 Yeah, But it turns around so fast, doesn't it. You know, 0:19:03.733 --> 0:19:06.853 basketball contracts do come and go. But I'd like to think. 0:19:06.893 --> 0:19:09.213 I think you make a really good point about the 0:19:09.253 --> 0:19:10.973 new owners. I haven't heard it of me either, not 0:19:11.013 --> 0:19:13.413 that I expect to. But what the black Walls did 0:19:13.533 --> 0:19:17.813 really well as they stayed in the background, they were owners, 0:19:18.093 --> 0:19:21.773 they paid the bills and then STFU. They just kept 0:19:21.773 --> 0:19:24.373 out of them that. I met Paul Blackwell once I 0:19:24.413 --> 0:19:25.933 was having the end of this bloke. I was always 0:19:25.973 --> 0:19:28.293 seeing around the traps and the various things I used 0:19:28.293 --> 0:19:30.733