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Speaker 1: Back to the business of this animal and plant health

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Speaker 1: products that are stuck on this list waiting for approval.

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Speaker 1: Ministry for Regulations undertaking this review of the current application

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Speaker 1: process and the Regulation Minister is, of course David Seymour,

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Speaker 1: who is with us. Very good morning to you, Good

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Speaker 1: morning make Did you hear Liz Shackleton earlier?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I did.

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Speaker 1: Did she make a comprehensive, incohesive case.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's the case that she made to us near

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Speaker 2: the end of last year when we started the sector

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Speaker 2: review on agricultural and horticultural products. Since then we've been

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Speaker 2: out interviewed, listen to acy different stakeholders. We're put together

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Speaker 2: a paper for Cabinet with a set of actions to

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Speaker 2: unblock this and get these products approved so that Kiwi

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Speaker 2: farmers and the horticulturalists can be competitive. That will lead

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Speaker 2: to passing a law in Parliament this year, among other things,

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Speaker 2: just solving the log jam that you've got four different

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Speaker 2: government departments to called regulatory systems, very hard to navigate

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Speaker 2: and it takes five years to get something through some

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Speaker 2: time while you our farmer's competitors across the ditch are

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Speaker 2: already way laughing.

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Speaker 1: Is there any excuse for having the system the way

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, and that's why I was so

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Speaker 2: keen to have a Ministry for regulation. A few people

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Speaker 2: laugh said, you're creating bureaucracy against bureaucracy. But I think

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Speaker 2: what we will see as this review goes through, along

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Speaker 2: with the Early Childhood Center one in the head Dressing

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Speaker 2: and Barbara one, is you get a group of people

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Speaker 2: who are getting it from every angle by regulators. You

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Speaker 2: need someone to go and there, ask them what the

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Speaker 2: problems are, put them more in a coherent form, and

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Speaker 2: then allow the Cabinet to say, right, this is what

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Speaker 2: we're going to do. If we need to change laws

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Speaker 2: in Parliament, we will. In the meantime, we're also going

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Speaker 2: to in this case, for example, start saying to these regulators, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're actually the ministers. We want you to work together,

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Speaker 2: not just bounce applicants between you like pinball. And we

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Speaker 2: want also to see some targets that we're going to

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Speaker 2: hold you accountable for that hasn't been happening. Allowing people

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Speaker 2: to get the products they need in order to be

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Speaker 2: competitive globally has kind of been an afterthought.

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Speaker 1: So the law this year. Once the laws passed. Does

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Speaker 1: it solve itself instantly or is there more time involved

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Speaker 1: there as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, you've got to bear in mind there's a backlog

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Speaker 2: of about one hundred products, and I don't want to

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Speaker 2: sit here this morning and say that we're going to

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Speaker 2: deal to every one of them this year. But what

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Speaker 2: I do know is that we're going to have new targets,

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Speaker 2: new law, new processes, and we'll start getting through them

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Speaker 2: much much faster and more sensibly than we have for

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Speaker 2: a very long time. And that's going to be I

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Speaker 2: think very welcome from the likes of Shackleton, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's probably helpful that she's getting out there and

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Speaker 2: making sure the pressure stays on even before the report

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Speaker 2: gets to Cabnet.

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Speaker 1: Good while I've got your headline didn't look good. Is

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Speaker 1: the media picking on you and your school lunches or not.

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Speaker 2: I think they are taking some of the worst examples

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Speaker 2: that they can find, in the worst comments that they

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Speaker 2: can find, and saying this is all terrible. But I

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Speaker 2: just make two points about that. First of all, I

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Speaker 2: read in the Herald this morning a rest on critics

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Speaker 2: who said it's not the best meal I've ever had.

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Speaker 2: It's not the worst meal that I've ever had actually

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Speaker 2: did have a lot of vegetables in it, and on

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Speaker 2: balance it's a pass. I think that's probably a fair

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Speaker 2: assessment from walking around the school hall at Otaku College

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Speaker 2: yesterday as I did, and asking the students. And I

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Speaker 2: make a second point is that we've had some people

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Speaker 2: school Princi balls and others saying this is not good enough.

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Speaker 2: We demand to buy the kids pizzas and now you

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Speaker 2: must reimburse us. I mean, I think we're going to

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Speaker 2: take a bit of a step back here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: This is a government with a seventeen billion dollar deficit.

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Speaker 2: We have managed to save one hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 2: on this program while actually providing meals for more kids.

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Speaker 2: This year we're doing something new and today is only

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Speaker 2: Ay five of it, or actually day four with school

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Speaker 2: holidays in some places. So you know, I think we've

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Speaker 2: got to get a bit of a reality check. We

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Speaker 2: need to do things better together and we are. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, still seventy five percent of students out

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Speaker 2: there whose meals are provided by their parents. And I

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Speaker 2: can guarantee you if you were to do a sample

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Speaker 2: of New Zealand children about their parents' lunch preparation. You

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Speaker 2: might get some mixed reviews there too.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, I can't let you go without asking about this

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Speaker 1: being zed thing and the coolie you're on board with,

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Speaker 1: Shane Jones, But what the hell's going on? How do

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Speaker 1: we get growth if banks are closing down legitimate businesses.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's two things going on here. All. I agree

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Speaker 2: with Shane up to a point that what's happening in

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Speaker 2: our society is best described as woe career. It comes

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Speaker 2: from the universities, it feeds into the graduates, and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's in the boardroom. You've got businesses

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Speaker 2: that are perceiving all sorts of agendas that actually most

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Speaker 2: of us never signed up to, wouldn't sign up to,

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Speaker 2: and don't support. But I also just raise this matter.

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Speaker 2: Most people who want to be in business for any

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Speaker 2: length of time have their focus on the bottom line.

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Speaker 2: And if you look at this country, the regulatory environment

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Speaker 2: or the Prime Minister went along to a university and

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Speaker 2: effectively banned the oil and gas industry and a speech.

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Speaker 2: There's been a real sheeheart on mining and especially on

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Speaker 2: whole over the last few years, not just in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: but around the world, and often when you hear a

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Speaker 2: lot of ideology out of the boardroom, part of it

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Speaker 2: is this wakery, but part of it is they are

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Speaker 2: looking at the risk that they face from financing certain

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Speaker 2: industries and saying we're not so sure about that. So yep,

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Speaker 2: easy to beat up on the banks, and to some

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Speaker 2: extent I think it's warranted, but it's also critical that

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Speaker 2: we make sure with our resource management reforms, with our

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Speaker 2: critical Minerals list that I think Shane is scheduled to

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Speaker 2: announce today, and with our overall attitude to farming and

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Speaker 2: extractive industries, that we actually make sure that the regulatory

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Speaker 2: risk faced by banks doesn't give them a reason to

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Speaker 2: be nervous, for which I suspect some of the spokery

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Speaker 2: is actually a bit of a paint job on the

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Speaker 2: fact they're genuinely concerned. So let's make sure we get

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Speaker 2: the reduitary environment right, so these industries are genuinely welcome

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand, not just a risk to banks. Well.

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