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Speaker 2: Hello Gret New Zealanders. It's men Tyler Fullshome podcast number

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Speaker 2: two ninety for the eighteenth of February or Wednesday. We

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Speaker 2: didn't get around to talking to which streaming services are

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Speaker 2: gonna you're going to cut.

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Speaker 3: Because we're getting slammed leave you and see.

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Speaker 2: HBOS leaving Neon and HBO is coming for its own

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Speaker 2: streaming thing. Are you going to do that? Are you

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Speaker 2: just going to start pir pirating everything like Tyler does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we might get to that tomorrow. But had a

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Speaker 3: great discussion about feral dogs head Shane Jones on who

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Speaker 3: he went a bit leftfield about transgender dogs about of

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Speaker 3: all things he could see I say, which was pretty wild.

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Speaker 3: And then the Auckland Harbor Bridge. That was a good discussion.

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Speaker 3: So download, subscribe and give us a review and.

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Speaker 2: Give a taste. Keep all right, then.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between and kids Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: with Shoder, News Talks, EDB.

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Speaker 3: New Thought THEREB. It is seven past one. Great to

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Speaker 3: have you listening, and as always, hope you're doing pretty

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Speaker 3: well where ever you are in the country.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Matt, I'm doing very very very well.

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Speaker 4: Hey.

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Speaker 2: I want to raise an issue that I think is

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Speaker 2: possibly the most important issue in the country right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's gonna be good.

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Speaker 2: Cafes and their toast. The last four times, four times

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Speaker 2: i've ordered my beloved poached eggs or scrambled eggs on

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Speaker 2: toasted cafes, the toast is not being toasted enough.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's all very well to have your fancy pants different

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Speaker 2: types of bread, but the toast needs to be toasted.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know what's happening in cafes, whether they're

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Speaker 2: trying to save money on power or they're not setting

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Speaker 2: their toasters at the right you know, for long enough.

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Speaker 2: But the toast has to be toasted. You can't be

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Speaker 2: cutting through an egg and it's just bread underneath there.

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Speaker 2: If you're quiting free bread can't be spongy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it is all about the structural integrity

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Speaker 3: of the piece of bread, particularly when you've got eggs,

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Speaker 3: because it's all about how it's soaks in. You don't

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that's your assume. My issue mainly is you

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Speaker 2: just can't cut through it. You just can't get through it.

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Speaker 2: You're going back and forth, your plate's going all over

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Speaker 2: the table. There's a risk of getting it on your pants.

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Speaker 2: It's just a disaster. Toast needs to be toasted. Yeah, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: so cafe owns across the country. Actually, i'd love to

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Speaker 2: new fashionable thing to not really toast the toast, if

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Speaker 2: it's just respectful to the fancy bread, to toast it

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Speaker 2: too much, or something like that, because bread is a

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Speaker 2: very strange thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 2: It's already been cooked and then you cook it again.

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Speaker 3: The double cooking of the bread. Yeah, it's double cooked.

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Speaker 2: It's some bread, yep. And then you go before you

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Speaker 3: And to your point, I don't know what happens with

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Speaker 2: I'm happy with the five grain bread. But ultimately, is

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Speaker 2: there any cafe that's just doing the white Death, the

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Speaker 2: bring it out, and charge me ten bucks.

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Speaker 3: Bring back those days. Yeah, that sounds pretty good. Right

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Speaker 3: on to today's show after three o'clock. We talked about

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Speaker 3: this yesterday briefly. A new streaming service. We'll launch a

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Speaker 3: new Zealand's that is HBO Max with SkyTV confirming the

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Speaker 3: pricing will be shared down the line, but the service

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Speaker 3: And that means Neon has none of that now. It's

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Speaker 2: So another streaming service. How many streaming services are we

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Speaker 2: people pirating if you've got to run seven streaming services

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Speaker 2: easy to pirate stuff.

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Speaker 3: Certainly is I would never know.

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Speaker 2: But it's pretty easy pro stuff. I've got to say,

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Speaker 2: So are you are you? Are people looking at doing

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Speaker 2: a streaming audit? How many do you need? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've got all of them. Neon and I love Neon

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Speaker 3: There's a limit. There's a limit to what people will

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Speaker 3: and searching, because you can fight it in Google if

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Speaker 3: you just go into Google. Isasue I shouldn't be given

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Speaker 3: out this advice, but I'm pretty sure I've been told

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Speaker 3: just go to Google and say how can I watch

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Speaker 3: the show for free? A whole bunch of stuff pops up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what the streamers form some kind of cross

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Speaker 2: how much that would cost. Yeah, that'd be like two

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Speaker 3: Is this pushing us all towards piracy? After two o'clock?

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's first national Infrastructure Plan was released yesterday, laying

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Speaker 3: This is this nine dollar toll to cross the Harbor Bridge. So,

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Speaker 3: the Commission Infrastructure Commissioner com into tolling the existing bridge

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that tolling the existing bridge absolutely disgusting.

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Speaker 2: As I said before, it's well, let's go back to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: And the other analogy that sprung to my mind was

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Speaker 2: it's like coming home and finding the council standing in

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Speaker 2: you go, okay, what are you doing to my driveway

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That you may or may not use great analogy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ridiculous. Surely the government will kick that to touch.

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Speaker 2: Do we just have to admit that we can't afford

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Speaker 2: any of these infrastructure projects are worth doing, surely that

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Speaker 2: they're worth doing. As a business proposition, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be so good, like anything anything you open up, it's

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Speaker 2: so good that people will pay to use it. Yeah, otherwise,

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Speaker 2: just don't do it. We can't afford it. To suck

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Speaker 2: it up. You don't visit a third world country, or

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a great discussion after two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about out of

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Speaker 3: controlled dogs. New Zealand First and prominent Northlander Shane Jones says,

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Speaker 3: we're not and if we're being honest, there were packs

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Speaker 3: but nothing changes, and he's pushing for some radical changes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the difference if you have mistreated your dog

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Speaker 2: grievous bodily harm from a dog? Or worse. Does it

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Speaker 2: did it with a dog's teeth. Surely there should be

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Speaker 2: It's not the dog's fault.

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Speaker 3: It's not the dog's fault. That's what pisses me off

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Speaker 3: into whatever they turn them into. It just infuriates me

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Speaker 3: that if you're going to put down the dog, put

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Speaker 3: down the owners, Well, surely put.

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Speaker 2: Down the owner. What you're calling for, calling for capital punishment?

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Speaker 3: Well maybe maybe that's where we're at at the moment. Wow.

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Speaker 2: OK, I think you're an outlier on that.

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Speaker 3: One oh, one hundred and eighty ten and eighty. Winn

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Speaker 3: a bit far there. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 3: and eighty is the number to call? Do you agree

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Speaker 3: with Shane Jones, do we need a radical overhaul of

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Speaker 3: coming up after the break, we're going to have a

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Speaker 3: chat to the SPCA just to break down what exactly

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Speaker 3: are the dog laws as they stand right now? Beg

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Speaker 3: very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, used talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be for a good afternoon to you. It's eighteen

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Speaker 3: pass one, so New Zealand First Deputy Leader and prominent

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Speaker 3: Northlander Shane Jones says our dog laws are not fit

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Speaker 3: for purpose. And joining us at the moment is doctor

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Speaker 3: Allison Vaughan. She is the SPCA Scientific Officer and she's

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Speaker 3: on the line, Doctor Allison, very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 2: What leaves a dog attacking a human such that the

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Speaker 6: Well, on an individual case level, there's multiple factors, such

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Speaker 6: change and if we would agree with the Minister that

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Speaker 6: So there are punishments that are set out under the

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Speaker 2: So who's out theredentifying that a dog is dangerous?

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Speaker 2: So right now, if there's a dog that is clearly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you can't afford to do what's necessary

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, So we need to a multifactorial approach that addresses

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Speaker 2: How easy is it to assign blame to a person

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Speaker 6: Can you clarify your questions?

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Speaker 6: So one of the reason we've been pushing for national

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Speaker 2: What was the name of that protocol you just mentioned,

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Speaker 2: the doctor Voe.

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Speaker 6: That's the Ian Dunbar Bite Skill And right now they're

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Speaker 3: Doctor Vaughan, really appreciate your time and for having a

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Speaker 3: good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: That is doctor Allison Vaughan is BCA Senior Scientific Officer.

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Speaker 2: I guess it'd be pretty easy to assign blame if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the history of the dog would would play into

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Speaker 3: it absolutely.

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Speaker 2: But I'm an interesting to look at this bite scale thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: But just on there quickly. I should have asked her this,

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Speaker 3: you've got a Rottweiler and you've got a Chihuahua, if

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Speaker 3: because it's probably pretty low on the old Biden decks,

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Speaker 3: and your rotweiler it's good night, doesn't seem fair. Chihuah

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well, is it the difference between someone that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there is, Yeah, one way to look at it.

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the doctor Ian Dunbar bite scale.

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Speaker 2: It is pretty interesting. Yeah. Level six is death right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Interesting, right, taking your calls, Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ZB twenty eight pass one, Shane Jones is calling for

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, I agree that these pack dogs and pack

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Speaker 11: bit different. We've got a standard poodle. She's seven years old.

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Speaker 11: She's family the most perfect, wonderful dog in the history

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Speaker 11: she's a barker. She's never written anybody in her life,

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Speaker 12: We got the gate fixed.

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Speaker 11: So that it would continue. We kick a closer all

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Speaker 2: You know, so your dog sharing your dog hadn't left

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Speaker 11: I can't say with certainty. She might have been outside,

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Speaker 2: But once you heard that that had happened, and obviously

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Speaker 14: In place, got the electric gate fixed.

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Speaker 2: So you're a responsible dog owner. I mean, anyone that's

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Speaker 2: I'm seriously and asked them question.

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Speaker 11: You can't be quite intimidated.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I mean if they're barking at you,

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Speaker 3: be joining us very shortly. Thanks for your call, Sharon.

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Speaker 3: I mean it does seem a bit of an overreaction,

437
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Speaker 3: but again, common sense right that they come around.

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Speaker 2: Here an adult and your skit of a poodle.

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Speaker 3: I still push back on that pushback on that right.

440
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Speaker 3: Headlines coming up then we will speak to Minister Shane Jones.

441
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Speaker 3: It is twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 2: You've talked, said the headlines.

443
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444
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445
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Speaker 5: still no safer than when five year old Maliki Shuebex

446
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Speaker 5: was killed in twenty twenty one, with Keras killing twenty

447
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Speaker 5: four children since. The Monitor says frontline or Middy Key

448
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Speaker 5: staff need better training and agencies must act faster. Farmacs

449
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Speaker 5: expanding funding for two new leukemia medications which could be

450
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451
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Speaker 5: Akador should open fully later today after flooding damage, with

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Speaker 5: essential vehicles already allowed. Cell coverage is patchy and banks

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Speaker 5: Peninsula Internet's down and water must be conserved. With extensive

454
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Speaker 5: road damage. Lightly central parts of the country are also

455
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Speaker 5: still recovering from storm damage, and seven properties have been

456
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457
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458
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459
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Speaker 5: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, mart Raylans so much, Boot and the box.

461
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Speaker 3: That's good cool. Right, as we have been discussing New

462
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Speaker 3: Zealand thirst, Deputy Leader and Minister Shane Jones is called

463
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Speaker 3: for severe jail terms owners of dogs that have become

464
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Speaker 3: aggressive and Shane Jones joins us on the line. Now, Minister,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, Hey gidy folks.

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Speaker 2: How bad is the feral dog situation in Northland?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the third person that I certainly know

468
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Speaker 4: has died. There's a variety of other individuals Faro who

469
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Speaker 4: have been severely mauled and injured by these dogs. But

470
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Speaker 4: we're not talking about the real problem here. Yeah, the

471
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Speaker 4: dogs are lethal, the dogs are homicidal, but what's really

472
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Speaker 4: feral is the character of the owners and those of

473
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Speaker 4: us who have to put up with this devastative behavior

474
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Speaker 4: from them. Grossly antisocial. We should be putting the acid

475
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Speaker 4: back on them. No tolerance. I mean, seriously, kiwis what

476
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Speaker 4: else do we need to happen before we, as a community,

477
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Speaker 4: quite apart from the politicians, move in and do what

478
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Speaker 4: my dad and them used to do. If you had

479
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Speaker 4: a stray they're all dogs. It got shot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what punishments are available to authorities now for owners

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Speaker 2: of dogs that attack people?

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Speaker 4: Well, you would know that the SPCA has a range

483
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Speaker 4: of powers and they do take people to the court

484
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Speaker 4: where there's reckless cases of endangement of animals and other

485
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Speaker 4: very sort of lasty things that are done to animals,

486
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Speaker 4: and occasionally people get sent down to the LFI prison.

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Speaker 4: But it's apparent to me the culture, the cultural mindset

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Speaker 4: of a lot of these owners, and they're not all

489
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Speaker 4: gang members, but sadly a host of them are. They

490
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Speaker 4: refuse to accept any obligation to change either their personal

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Speaker 4: habits or indeed the habits of their dogs, and it's

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Speaker 4: their right they believe to impose all of these negative

493
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Speaker 4: effects on the community. I mean, let's look at what's

494
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Speaker 4: been in the media. These dogs have been well known

495
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Speaker 4: about in that community. They've been scaring people, they've been

496
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Speaker 4: chasing people. Mate, when I was in Awnui, if my

497
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Speaker 4: father in whose generation saw dog do that to the

498
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Speaker 4: tarmoniki or the young people, that dog would be dead

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Speaker 4: the next day.

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Speaker 2: That causes problems, though, isn't it could? I mean, you

501
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Speaker 2: can't be suggesting that people get a shotgun and go

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Speaker 2: over the fence and shoot the dog in someone's yard.

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Speaker 4: Can you, well, if you find a dog is pursuing stock,

504
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Speaker 4: even to the state.

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Speaker 2: Ups outside to put the dog down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what do you do about those gumbag owners? Minister?

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Speaker 14: Is that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, do your ban people from owning dogs if

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Speaker 3: they can't actually do what's needed to be a responsible

510
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Speaker 3: dog owner. How do you stop gang members from doing

511
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Speaker 3: the backyard breeding and it's not just gang members, it's

512
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Speaker 3: up and down the country. How do you actually have

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Speaker 3: teeth and legislation to combat that.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's pretty simple in my view that there should

515
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Speaker 4: be a level of moral fitness in terms of people

516
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Speaker 4: who are now the putative owners of these dangerous dog breeds.

517
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Speaker 4: There are individuals who, for example, are never allowed to

518
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Speaker 4: drive cars if they're recidibus drugs. So we need to

519
00:26:23,653 --> 00:26:29,333
Speaker 4: consider a whole host of penalties that are not necessarily

520
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Speaker 4: directed to garden variety.

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Speaker 14: Kiwis love who love their.

522
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Speaker 4: Animals, who have devoted to their animals, But these people

523
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Speaker 4: devoted to themselves and they're destructive, dangerous, murderous ways of life.

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Speaker 2: We're just talking to doctor Vaughan from the SPCA and

525
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Speaker 2: she was saying a lot of these problems happen in

526
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Speaker 2: lower socioeconomic areas, and there was some suggestion that the

527
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Speaker 2: government should be paying for desexing of potentially dangerous dogs.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 4: So some kind of transgenderism and dogs? Is that what

530
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Speaker 4: you're telling.

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Speaker 2: You about that?

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Speaker 3: As twenty twenty six, minister, come on.

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Speaker 4: Bro Okay, if a vet says that dogs might be

534
00:27:13,373 --> 00:27:18,533
Speaker 4: safer if they go through some some yeah, but look,

535
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Speaker 4: I'm from New Zealand. First, we're not We're not into that.

536
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Speaker 4: But if you're asking me, should we explore all options

537
00:27:24,333 --> 00:27:27,653
Speaker 4: and protably know that are pushed by vets and experts. Okay,

538
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Speaker 4: but quite frankly, these dogs I encounter in are not

539
00:27:33,413 --> 00:27:36,253
Speaker 4: not always areas that are so so.

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Speaker 14: So you a low socio.

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Speaker 4: Economic but if you're going to own an animal and

542
00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:44,533
Speaker 4: it's not registered and it is dangerous, then sorry, then

543
00:27:44,573 --> 00:27:49,773
Speaker 4: animal is removed and if it cannot find a good home, then,

544
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Speaker 4: just as were euthanized people now there in the in

545
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Speaker 4: their old age. Not that I ever voted for the

546
00:27:55,933 --> 00:27:59,013
Speaker 4: euthanasia bill, we're going to need a certain category, it

547
00:27:59,053 --> 00:28:00,893
Speaker 4: would seem to me to euthanase animals.

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Speaker 2: So if a dog attacks and kills a person, should

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Speaker 2: the owner be tried in the same way as someone

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Speaker 2: who has attacked a person with a weapon.

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Speaker 4: Of course, if your level of negligence as such that

552
00:28:23,093 --> 00:28:27,813
Speaker 4: someone has died, then there's you know, sorry, you're going

553
00:28:27,893 --> 00:28:31,893
Speaker 4: to face the consequences. I mean, unless there's some clear boundaries,

554
00:28:32,813 --> 00:28:35,133
Speaker 4: then how are you going to uphold a sense of

555
00:28:36,173 --> 00:28:40,093
Speaker 4: empowerment in the community. I mean people do get frightened

556
00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:47,973
Speaker 4: of feral neighbors who don't accept their obligations in terms

557
00:28:48,013 --> 00:28:50,013
Speaker 4: of being a good neighbor. And if they've got dogs

558
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Speaker 4: and they're using the dogs as some sort of weapon,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is awful for the animal, but it's

560
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Speaker 4: a side bloody worse mate for the person on the

561
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Speaker 4: receiving end of a marling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, You're getting a lot of support on the text, minister,

564
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Speaker 3: and it says fired up the phone lines, which is

565
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Speaker 3: what we always want. But really appreciate your time this afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Take care.

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Speaker 3: That is Minister Shane Jones who has called for severe

568
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Speaker 3: jail terms and an overhauling of our dog control laws.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely, they have dogs out and about

570
00:29:19,613 --> 00:29:22,733
Speaker 2: and on a farm and worrying livestock and then that

571
00:29:22,853 --> 00:29:23,973
Speaker 2: gets sorted out, doesn't it?

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Speaker 3: It does?

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Speaker 6: Yep?

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Speaker 2: I'm it's a lot too, you know, can I can

575
00:29:28,213 --> 00:29:31,573
Speaker 2: definitely see problems if people decide to go and euthanased dogs.

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Speaker 2: A citizen euthanization of a dog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, could go, could go? But Harry, but Keno and

578
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Speaker 3: your thoughts So one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

579
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Speaker 3: Shane Jones right? Do we need more severe jail terms

580
00:29:43,693 --> 00:29:46,693
Speaker 3: for offending dog owners? And do we need to get

581
00:29:46,733 --> 00:29:49,733
Speaker 3: serious about those dog owners who can't look after dogs?

582
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Speaker 3: Nine nine two at seventeen to two to have a chad.

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Speaker 1: With Matt and Tyler on eight hundred eighty eight Matt

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Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda. Can you crack

585
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Speaker 1: the scoder code us dogs?

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Speaker 3: That'd be it is a quarter to two?

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Speaker 2: This six is says well said Shane. If a dangerous

588
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Speaker 2: dog ever attacks my kids, grab a knife from the

589
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Speaker 2: kitchen and kill it. Wow, but a knife take a while.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to you.

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Speaker 2: This Texas says, why aren't we pushing back on the minister?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: Why aren't you pushing back on the minister? Deserving desexing

594
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Speaker 2: animals reduced as a population. It's nothing to do with

595
00:30:24,813 --> 00:30:27,333
Speaker 2: his agenda on the sex debate or to be fair,

596
00:30:27,813 --> 00:30:31,933
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the d sex thing, Shane

597
00:30:32,173 --> 00:30:36,053
Speaker 2: the Minister, Shane Jones, he made it a transgender issue

598
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Speaker 2: and to be honest, I got but combobulated by that.

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Speaker 3: Threw us a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was trying to I was trying to run

601
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Speaker 2: it through my how to do things crossed. Yeah, there

602
00:30:49,493 --> 00:30:51,853
Speaker 2: became sort of an a gender affirming care kind of issue.

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Speaker 2: It was a bit of a whiplash moment. But potentially

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Speaker 2: that's why we didn't push back. I was just trying

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Speaker 2: to gather my thoughts. Ye, Diane, how are you Hello.

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Speaker 15: Well, I'm a bit nervous because I've never run talkback

607
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Speaker 15: radio before.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome, Diane. Thank you so much for calling. We

609
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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 15: I've been sod on to speak out because I've been

611
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Speaker 15: the recipient of two dog attacks whats on my bike.

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Speaker 15: The first one was in September last year when I

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Speaker 15: was attacked by a dog from the Marai on a

614
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Speaker 15: cycle lane. The dog came through the sense, but my

615
00:31:27,413 --> 00:31:30,213
Speaker 15: calf came around the other side tried to bite my

616
00:31:30,293 --> 00:31:33,133
Speaker 15: left calf I kicked it off, and then it actually

617
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Speaker 15: jumped up on me and tried to knock me off

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Speaker 15: my bike. Now I'm sitting strong and a lot of exercise,

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Speaker 15: so I managed to keep on my bike, but was

620
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Speaker 15: very shaken. Needed medical attention for the dog bikes.

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Speaker 7: That was fine.

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Speaker 15: Four weeks later, during the Yhead Pyra cycle trail, we

623
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Speaker 15: were just heading into Pyrah and this pitball cross just

624
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Speaker 15: ran across the street at me from about one hundred

625
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Speaker 15: meters away. It flew at me. It attacked me on

626
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Speaker 15: the right side, It attacked me on the left. I

627
00:32:08,693 --> 00:32:11,133
Speaker 15: rabbed hold of my shoes, took a chance out of

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Speaker 15: my shoe. By that stage, the young lad who was

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Speaker 15: with it had caught it up, but by that stage

630
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Speaker 15: I was incredibly traumatized and found the police station. Fortunately

631
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Speaker 15: my husband has stopped, taken a photo of the dog,

632
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Speaker 15: took it to the police station. They identified the lad

633
00:32:31,293 --> 00:32:35,213
Speaker 15: of the dog immediately. Now this particular dog had had

634
00:32:35,213 --> 00:32:39,493
Speaker 15: a similar incident a year earlier. The dog ranger did

635
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Speaker 15: impound it, but no so he didn't impound it because

636
00:32:43,773 --> 00:32:47,533
Speaker 15: he said the dog was the sex and registered, but

637
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Speaker 15: the provisions were for the owner to keep the dog.

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Speaker 15: They had to have it on a muzzle when it

639
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Speaker 15: was outside their property, and they had to make sure

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Speaker 15: their property was well fenced. Piro District Council handled it

641
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Speaker 15: extremely well and I had a letter of apology from

642
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Speaker 15: the owners chair under District council had done nothing but

643
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Speaker 15: shut me up.

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Speaker 14: They don't want to.

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Speaker 15: Hear, they don't want to know. The dog was in

646
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Speaker 15: the pound for a month or so, and then I

647
00:33:16,613 --> 00:33:19,933
Speaker 15: had a call from the Taro Chief Dog Officer saying

648
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Speaker 15: it was going to be released back to the owners,

649
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Speaker 15: who are part of the MARII. I was distraught. Obviously

650
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Speaker 15: that dog is still on that property. I've seen it

651
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Speaker 15: quite a few times when because I refuse to get

652
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Speaker 15: told to not ride my bike on a cycle name.

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Speaker 15: So the dog is still there. So Taro good Council

654
00:33:42,533 --> 00:33:48,093
Speaker 15: have been incredibly dismissive. So I think, really they need

655
00:33:48,133 --> 00:33:51,253
Speaker 15: to be less woke. They need more power to euthanize

656
00:33:51,293 --> 00:33:56,533
Speaker 15: the dog when en if needed, And yeah, maybe laws

657
00:33:56,573 --> 00:34:01,053
Speaker 15: do need to change. This has actually less a profound

658
00:34:01,573 --> 00:34:09,293
Speaker 15: emotional effect on me. Yeah, and reading this about the events,

659
00:34:09,893 --> 00:34:12,573
Speaker 15: it brings all that trau of it again. It's just

660
00:34:12,933 --> 00:34:13,693
Speaker 15: it's awful.

661
00:34:13,933 --> 00:34:17,252
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that happened to you, Diane, and in multi

662
00:34:17,373 --> 00:34:18,813
Speaker 2: multiple multiple times.

663
00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:22,413
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's a nation problem. But the nationwide problem. This

664
00:34:22,573 --> 00:34:26,093
Speaker 15: isn't just the final this is power. This is all

665
00:34:26,093 --> 00:34:29,973
Speaker 15: over New Zealand. Well sorry to South Islands, sere better,

666
00:34:30,653 --> 00:34:33,653
Speaker 15: but something needs to be done. Yeah.

667
00:34:33,853 --> 00:34:37,172
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for thank you so much

668
00:34:37,213 --> 00:34:39,213
Speaker 2: for for ringing in, for your first time ringing in.

669
00:34:39,293 --> 00:34:45,733
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for sharing sharing your story. Yeah, you

670
00:34:45,773 --> 00:34:47,653
Speaker 2: do you do that, you do that. Nothing wrong with

671
00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:49,573
Speaker 2: a bit of a cry, exactly. Thanks you called Diane,

672
00:34:49,573 --> 00:34:50,293
Speaker 2: what a great call.

673
00:34:50,373 --> 00:34:52,253
Speaker 3: Call us any time. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

674
00:34:52,253 --> 00:34:53,613
Speaker 3: eighty is number to call. I mean, that is a

675
00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:55,613
Speaker 3: bit poor from tode on her. If she's been attacked

676
00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:58,533
Speaker 3: twice and they say, what are we going to do?

677
00:34:58,693 --> 00:35:02,053
Speaker 2: What's your track? Attacked twice in tode on it and

678
00:35:02,173 --> 00:35:02,973
Speaker 2: once in.

679
00:35:03,973 --> 00:35:06,692
Speaker 3: Yes you're right, so three times. But yeah, but when

680
00:35:06,733 --> 00:35:09,533
Speaker 3: she reported it and said this is a dog it's

681
00:35:09,613 --> 00:35:11,253
Speaker 3: had to go at me. It actually bit me and

682
00:35:11,293 --> 00:35:13,493
Speaker 3: tried to jump up on me, and Todd on that

683
00:35:13,613 --> 00:35:15,732
Speaker 3: city council said what are we going to do? Can't

684
00:35:15,733 --> 00:35:16,133
Speaker 3: do anything.

685
00:35:16,173 --> 00:35:19,413
Speaker 2: I mean, if you've if you've already been you know,

686
00:35:19,773 --> 00:35:23,693
Speaker 2: there's been complaints and you've had stipulations put on your

687
00:35:23,733 --> 00:35:25,933
Speaker 2: ownership with the dog, and then you don't do those

688
00:35:26,213 --> 00:35:28,973
Speaker 2: and then the dog bites someone else. I mean, is

689
00:35:28,973 --> 00:35:31,813
Speaker 2: that really any different from just going up and stabbing them? Yeah,

690
00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:34,613
Speaker 2: it's good men, you know, and most people would say no,

691
00:35:34,773 --> 00:35:36,813
Speaker 2: I mean still a weapon, isn't It's an animal weapon.

692
00:35:36,853 --> 00:35:40,453
Speaker 2: But what's the difference between teeth and a knife? Really?

693
00:35:40,533 --> 00:35:43,292
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, keen on your thoughts. So eight hundred eighty

694
00:35:43,293 --> 00:35:45,093
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number of call? Nine to niney

695
00:35:45,093 --> 00:35:46,773
Speaker 3: two is the text? It is nine to two.

696
00:35:47,773 --> 00:35:50,973
Speaker 1: Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

697
00:35:51,053 --> 00:35:53,853
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams.

698
00:35:54,013 --> 00:35:58,773
Speaker 3: Afternoons News Dogs, EDB News Talks, ed B John, how

699
00:35:58,813 --> 00:35:58,973
Speaker 3: are you?

700
00:35:59,093 --> 00:36:02,212
Speaker 16: Yeah, good afternoon, go hi there, good afternoon to use

701
00:36:02,573 --> 00:36:07,573
Speaker 16: Mike Tyler. Listen, mister Saint Jones. He's on the ball.

702
00:36:07,973 --> 00:36:12,692
Speaker 16: I'm so angry about this because that poor person and

703
00:36:12,733 --> 00:36:17,333
Speaker 16: there's other people that's passed on. Imagine what they went through, Fellas.

704
00:36:17,573 --> 00:36:21,613
Speaker 16: It's it's not on it's a it's a weapon. It's

705
00:36:21,653 --> 00:36:26,053
Speaker 16: it's full of teeth. I've been bitten, but I'll come

706
00:36:26,093 --> 00:36:28,692
Speaker 16: back to you on that one. But I know full

707
00:36:28,733 --> 00:36:33,373
Speaker 16: well the Minister of Housing needs to jump into some

708
00:36:33,413 --> 00:36:41,253
Speaker 16: of these council properties where they've got these little wheat chiuahas. Now,

709
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:48,253
Speaker 16: these things are vicious, very vicious. They are very vicious.

710
00:36:48,533 --> 00:36:51,013
Speaker 16: And if there wasn't a pane of glass between this

711
00:36:51,093 --> 00:36:54,533
Speaker 16: person and the other, look, it would be all over.

712
00:36:54,933 --> 00:36:55,733
Speaker 3: Now, would you do.

713
00:36:55,853 --> 00:36:57,253
Speaker 2: You back yourself against at chiuhaha?

714
00:36:57,373 --> 00:37:04,093
Speaker 16: John, I'll tell you this one. I'm sorry. I'll just

715
00:37:04,133 --> 00:37:06,373
Speaker 16: break its neck. There you go.

716
00:37:07,933 --> 00:37:10,453
Speaker 2: I'm so there's only so much damage that to how

717
00:37:10,533 --> 00:37:12,493
Speaker 2: I can do. I would say, though, compared to some

718
00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:13,373
Speaker 2: of these other big.

719
00:37:13,213 --> 00:37:16,653
Speaker 16: Dogs, Well, I've already killed a big dog. So I

720
00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:20,893
Speaker 16: will play today to you very very shortly. In my day,

721
00:37:21,653 --> 00:37:28,093
Speaker 16: we used to train sheep dogs. Now once they start biting, unfortunately, goodbye, Nurse.

722
00:37:29,013 --> 00:37:30,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack, if.

723
00:37:30,173 --> 00:37:32,453
Speaker 2: You call John, the difference between teeth and a knife

724
00:37:32,453 --> 00:37:34,172
Speaker 2: would be intent. Yeah, this is a good point. Unless

725
00:37:34,213 --> 00:37:36,692
Speaker 2: the owner intended for the dog to attack someone, it's

726
00:37:36,693 --> 00:37:38,172
Speaker 2: not quite the same thing. That's a good point because

727
00:37:38,173 --> 00:37:40,453
Speaker 2: I'm saying what's the difference. Then, if you've been told

728
00:37:40,493 --> 00:37:43,173
Speaker 2: that your dog is dangerous and that there's things that

729
00:37:43,213 --> 00:37:46,293
Speaker 2: you need to do, muzzle it as desex it essential

730
00:37:46,293 --> 00:37:49,333
Speaker 2: and essentially enough some other things, and it attacks someone.

731
00:37:49,333 --> 00:37:51,172
Speaker 2: I'm saying, what's the difference then just running across and

732
00:37:51,653 --> 00:37:54,573
Speaker 2: taking some of the knife. It is intent, so it's

733
00:37:54,653 --> 00:37:56,293
Speaker 2: more of a gross negligence.

734
00:37:56,973 --> 00:37:59,413
Speaker 3: I'm in a situation if a dog killed someone that

735
00:37:59,493 --> 00:38:02,133
Speaker 3: comes down to manslaughter. Surely that if you're driving a

736
00:38:02,173 --> 00:38:03,853
Speaker 3: car and you've had too much to drink and you

737
00:38:03,973 --> 00:38:06,533
Speaker 3: kill someone, then you can be liable for manslaughter because

738
00:38:06,533 --> 00:38:08,173
Speaker 3: you're behind the wheel of a weapon. If you're the

739
00:38:08,173 --> 00:38:11,453
Speaker 3: old owner of a powerful weapon like a dog, and

740
00:38:11,533 --> 00:38:13,213
Speaker 3: you know it's got the potential to do that, and

741
00:38:13,253 --> 00:38:14,692
Speaker 3: you don't take the you know.

742
00:38:14,853 --> 00:38:17,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, well intent for it to be intent, it would

743
00:38:17,413 --> 00:38:19,453
Speaker 2: be to sick the dog on someone, right. Yeah, So

744
00:38:19,493 --> 00:38:21,093
Speaker 2: these people who make a good point, it's not quite

745
00:38:21,093 --> 00:38:21,573
Speaker 2: the same thing.

746
00:38:21,693 --> 00:38:24,133
Speaker 3: We're going to carry this on after three o'clock. Keen

747
00:38:24,213 --> 00:38:26,133
Speaker 3: on your views. Oh e one hundred and eighty ten

748
00:38:26,373 --> 00:38:29,813
Speaker 3: eighty Is it time to overhaul the dog control laws?

749
00:38:29,813 --> 00:38:32,013
Speaker 3: Do we need to be more severe? As Shane Jones

750
00:38:32,013 --> 00:38:34,053
Speaker 3: says nine two ninety two, is the text news, sport

751
00:38:34,093 --> 00:38:36,013
Speaker 3: and weather coming up grade? To have your company. You're

752
00:38:36,013 --> 00:38:38,493
Speaker 3: listening to Matt and Tyler with.

753
00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:43,933
Speaker 1: Me talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and

754
00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:47,533
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams Afternoons with Skoder News Dogs EP.

755
00:38:49,133 --> 00:38:52,613
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You seven pass to. Just a reminder,

756
00:38:52,653 --> 00:38:55,333
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757
00:38:55,373 --> 00:38:58,533
Speaker 3: friend to the Tour de France when you play Scoda codes.

758
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759
00:39:01,693 --> 00:39:05,453
Speaker 3: We will have that clue for you later on this hour.

760
00:39:05,573 --> 00:39:09,173
Speaker 3: But back to our discussion we've been having about control laws.

761
00:39:09,173 --> 00:39:11,692
Speaker 3: This is after Shane Jones has called for severe jail

762
00:39:12,133 --> 00:39:15,053
Speaker 3: terms for owners of dogs that became aggressive. He also

763
00:39:15,133 --> 00:39:18,093
Speaker 3: told us last hour that a moral standard for dog

764
00:39:18,093 --> 00:39:21,293
Speaker 3: owners could enable animals to be taken off terrible owners.

765
00:39:21,933 --> 00:39:24,732
Speaker 2: Oh that's yeah, I mean hard to work out.

766
00:39:25,133 --> 00:39:27,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how you figure out the morality

767
00:39:27,093 --> 00:39:28,093
Speaker 3: of a particular owner.

768
00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:32,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you get a citizen score? Hey, I'm an

769
00:39:32,573 --> 00:39:36,613
Speaker 2: ex animal control officer from South Auckland, says Anna. But

770
00:39:36,733 --> 00:39:39,692
Speaker 2: can't get through. Ah, keep trying. I can tell you

771
00:39:39,693 --> 00:39:42,533
Speaker 2: we do actually have full lines, but they'll open up.

772
00:39:43,053 --> 00:39:45,813
Speaker 2: Maybe I can tell you some stories that you wouldn't

773
00:39:45,813 --> 00:39:48,133
Speaker 2: believe about the dog owners, not the dogs. The problem

774
00:39:48,213 --> 00:39:50,573
Speaker 2: is when it was under a private contract, we per

775
00:39:50,893 --> 00:39:55,373
Speaker 2: prosecuted sees dogs all day long. Euthanasia was every single morning.

776
00:39:55,813 --> 00:39:58,333
Speaker 2: We picked up roaming dogs all day long. Since Council

777
00:39:58,413 --> 00:40:01,933
Speaker 2: took over the contract, it has been an absolute disaster.

778
00:40:02,413 --> 00:40:07,573
Speaker 2: Interesting this says, hey, there great program. There was a

779
00:40:07,693 --> 00:40:11,493
Speaker 2: well known and Todonga when Chopper the rotraaler attacked the

780
00:40:11,573 --> 00:40:14,933
Speaker 2: vet the paroh owners when blister can. Eventually Chopper got chopped.

781
00:40:15,493 --> 00:40:18,693
Speaker 2: The owner and another family member carried out a campaign

782
00:40:18,693 --> 00:40:21,693
Speaker 2: against the vet which was affecting her clinic. Business owners

783
00:40:21,773 --> 00:40:24,333
Speaker 2: need to take much more responsibility where they read their

784
00:40:24,413 --> 00:40:30,413
Speaker 2: dangerous job dogs and pets. She is Patricia. Hi, guys,

785
00:40:30,453 --> 00:40:32,973
Speaker 2: there is no such thing as a bad dog, only

786
00:40:32,973 --> 00:40:36,652
Speaker 2: bad dog owners. Even some of the fighting breeds can

787
00:40:36,693 --> 00:40:42,373
Speaker 2: be absolutely sweethearts, but it's still in their DNA. I

788
00:40:42,453 --> 00:40:45,133
Speaker 2: have two French bulldogs and they love people, but other

789
00:40:45,213 --> 00:40:48,053
Speaker 2: dogs and young children, they get very protective and will snap.

790
00:40:48,093 --> 00:40:50,413
Speaker 2: But as a good dog owner, I am always aware

791
00:40:50,533 --> 00:40:54,013
Speaker 2: of that and it has never happened that they've bitten

792
00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:57,973
Speaker 2: someone the sex. It's not the damage it inflicts that's

793
00:40:58,013 --> 00:41:00,413
Speaker 2: my main concern. It's the intent behind it. Once a dog,

794
00:41:00,613 --> 00:41:03,333
Speaker 2: regardless of size, attacks unprovoked, the risk of it happening

795
00:41:03,373 --> 00:41:07,613
Speaker 2: again is high. If it's defending itself from an intimidating person,

796
00:41:07,693 --> 00:41:10,813
Speaker 2: or it's defending it's human slash property. That's like telling

797
00:41:10,813 --> 00:41:12,772
Speaker 2: a human not to stand up for themselves and get

798
00:41:12,813 --> 00:41:14,053
Speaker 2: robbed or abused.

799
00:41:14,373 --> 00:41:15,533
Speaker 3: Keep those teaks coming through.

800
00:41:15,613 --> 00:41:17,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's why you've got to manage if

801
00:41:17,493 --> 00:41:20,413
Speaker 2: you if you have a dog and that's a guard dog,

802
00:41:20,653 --> 00:41:25,013
Speaker 2: or you have a dog that has the potential to

803
00:41:25,173 --> 00:41:28,053
Speaker 2: cause problems, then you have to do all you can

804
00:41:28,293 --> 00:41:29,653
Speaker 2: to manage that situation.

805
00:41:29,813 --> 00:41:33,133
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, Kahi keen on your story.

806
00:41:34,853 --> 00:41:38,133
Speaker 14: Ok, it goes so you you.

807
00:41:38,253 --> 00:41:39,853
Speaker 3: Intervened in a dog attack, is that right?

808
00:41:41,093 --> 00:41:41,333
Speaker 8: Yeah?

809
00:41:41,453 --> 00:41:46,853
Speaker 14: Yeah, tell us what happens is the lady, this lady

810
00:41:46,933 --> 00:41:51,213
Speaker 14: was visiting or picking up for daughter from the neighbors

811
00:41:52,213 --> 00:41:56,652
Speaker 14: and uh, just next door to me and oh sorry,

812
00:41:56,693 --> 00:41:59,813
Speaker 14: I'm just listening to myself on the radio, trying.

813
00:41:59,613 --> 00:42:01,292
Speaker 2: To take a second to turn yourself offrom the radio.

814
00:42:01,333 --> 00:42:02,772
Speaker 2: See it's hard to do both.

815
00:42:02,813 --> 00:42:03,333
Speaker 3: That is tough.

816
00:42:03,573 --> 00:42:10,093
Speaker 14: Yeah, dogs next door and das idea whatever. And she

817
00:42:10,213 --> 00:42:12,373
Speaker 14: was picking the door up and then they were just

818
00:42:12,453 --> 00:42:16,613
Speaker 14: leaving and Uh, it was a football, like a Biggers football,

819
00:42:16,653 --> 00:42:20,133
Speaker 14: And I know muster. I just said, I was watching

820
00:42:20,173 --> 00:42:22,933
Speaker 14: the UFC was Sunday afternoon. And then I heard the

821
00:42:23,013 --> 00:42:26,773
Speaker 14: screaming and opened the curtain and I'd just seen the

822
00:42:26,853 --> 00:42:29,053
Speaker 14: dog left onto her arm, dragging her out of the car.

823
00:42:29,133 --> 00:42:30,413
Speaker 14: The lady who was driving the car.

824
00:42:31,013 --> 00:42:31,293
Speaker 2: Wow.

825
00:42:31,973 --> 00:42:34,773
Speaker 14: Then yeah, it was just pulling out of the car.

826
00:42:34,853 --> 00:42:37,733
Speaker 14: So yelled out to my son, come give me a hand,

827
00:42:37,733 --> 00:42:39,973
Speaker 14: you know, And I just grabbed the baseball beat told

828
00:42:40,013 --> 00:42:43,013
Speaker 14: him to grab the spade and ran down. And then

829
00:42:43,373 --> 00:42:46,973
Speaker 14: I started waking up because I wouldn't it go, worked

830
00:42:46,973 --> 00:42:50,253
Speaker 14: there like three times, and then finally let her go,

831
00:42:50,333 --> 00:42:52,373
Speaker 14: and then it turned on me and started coming after me.

832
00:42:52,933 --> 00:43:00,173
Speaker 14: I like walking up slowly, and then yeah, it was

833
00:43:02,613 --> 00:43:05,173
Speaker 14: It was just crazy. And then it just turned around

834
00:43:05,173 --> 00:43:07,093
Speaker 14: and then it went straight back to her arm, saying

835
00:43:07,173 --> 00:43:10,213
Speaker 14: what and just kept kept biting her and ripping her arm.

836
00:43:11,133 --> 00:43:13,813
Speaker 14: Oh my god, Yeah, it was crazy.

837
00:43:13,893 --> 00:43:16,213
Speaker 2: And did you did you so did you know who

838
00:43:16,293 --> 00:43:18,172
Speaker 2: owned the dog? Did you find out who actually owned

839
00:43:18,173 --> 00:43:18,453
Speaker 2: the dog?

840
00:43:20,173 --> 00:43:21,573
Speaker 14: Well it was her partner that the.

841
00:43:23,613 --> 00:43:28,853
Speaker 3: Right. Wow, So did she have the dog in the car?

842
00:43:28,853 --> 00:43:30,693
Speaker 3: Do you know car here or the dog she obviously

843
00:43:30,693 --> 00:43:33,053
Speaker 3: got home and the dog came out and just went

844
00:43:33,133 --> 00:43:33,453
Speaker 3: for her.

845
00:43:34,453 --> 00:43:36,172
Speaker 14: No, the dog was in the car then when she

846
00:43:36,213 --> 00:43:39,773
Speaker 14: was picking her daughter up, So I'm guessing the smelt

847
00:43:39,813 --> 00:43:43,173
Speaker 14: the other dogs on her got the scent of the daughter.

848
00:43:43,893 --> 00:43:45,533
Speaker 14: I mean the scent of the other dogs on the door.

849
00:43:46,413 --> 00:43:49,333
Speaker 14: And it started so that the dog started nipping the

850
00:43:50,173 --> 00:43:52,773
Speaker 14: her daughter's nick, started biting on her neck.

851
00:43:52,853 --> 00:43:53,293
Speaker 4: And then.

852
00:43:54,773 --> 00:43:59,172
Speaker 14: That lady of her mother started whacking the dog and

853
00:43:59,173 --> 00:44:00,213
Speaker 14: it just leaft onto.

854
00:44:00,013 --> 00:44:02,493
Speaker 16: Her arm shapers and.

855
00:44:02,413 --> 00:44:03,813
Speaker 14: Just started dragging her out of the car.

856
00:44:04,573 --> 00:44:07,053
Speaker 3: And so what so started to come to you. Then

857
00:44:07,053 --> 00:44:09,453
Speaker 3: it went back to the same. So what hapened at

858
00:44:09,453 --> 00:44:10,893
Speaker 3: that point? You just said to keep working it.

859
00:44:10,893 --> 00:44:13,853
Speaker 14: With the bed and walk straight running straight back down

860
00:44:13,893 --> 00:44:17,053
Speaker 14: to the lady and left on too. And I told

861
00:44:17,053 --> 00:44:22,053
Speaker 14: my son to call the ambulance. And yeah, it was

862
00:44:22,053 --> 00:44:24,693
Speaker 14: just just prenant, moved like there was no one around.

863
00:44:24,733 --> 00:44:25,093
Speaker 14: I helped.

864
00:44:25,213 --> 00:44:27,493
Speaker 2: Well, good on you. Got on you and your son

865
00:44:27,573 --> 00:44:29,853
Speaker 2: for for steeping in and helping out. A lot of

866
00:44:29,853 --> 00:44:31,613
Speaker 2: people wouldn't wouldn't have the guts to do that.

867
00:44:32,533 --> 00:44:35,413
Speaker 14: It was going on for about ten minutes. I ran

868
00:44:35,493 --> 00:44:37,493
Speaker 14: inside and grabbed the de SI had to run inside

869
00:44:37,493 --> 00:44:41,333
Speaker 14: and grab the butcher knife. Yeah, and uh, I'm running

870
00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:44,493
Speaker 14: back out and you ended up just I had to stay.

871
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:48,733
Speaker 2: It and what and what and did that? Did you

872
00:44:48,773 --> 00:44:49,573
Speaker 2: euthanize the dog?

873
00:44:51,493 --> 00:44:51,732
Speaker 4: Yeah?

874
00:44:52,053 --> 00:44:56,093
Speaker 14: Whoa, Yeah, I had to. That's the only way to

875
00:44:56,093 --> 00:44:57,933
Speaker 14: get off. That was literally would have killed her to

876
00:44:57,973 --> 00:45:03,732
Speaker 14: receive a couple of our arteries there and just turned

877
00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:07,173
Speaker 14: up by time the dog and the dog was just slowly,

878
00:45:07,293 --> 00:45:11,053
Speaker 14: you know, dying the letter and then yeah, I felt

879
00:45:11,093 --> 00:45:13,133
Speaker 14: there doing that. But you know it was either the

880
00:45:13,213 --> 00:45:14,133
Speaker 14: dog or her.

881
00:45:14,653 --> 00:45:16,613
Speaker 2: And what did the what are the owners of the

882
00:45:16,693 --> 00:45:18,693
Speaker 2: dog that have been attacked by the dog? But what

883
00:45:19,053 --> 00:45:22,213
Speaker 2: did they say to you after that situation? Were they grateful?

884
00:45:23,173 --> 00:45:25,053
Speaker 14: When she finally got out of hospital a couple of

885
00:45:25,093 --> 00:45:28,893
Speaker 14: weeks later, she come over and thank me. We'll save

886
00:45:28,933 --> 00:45:29,413
Speaker 14: you in life.

887
00:45:29,493 --> 00:45:30,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, well good on you mate.

888
00:45:30,813 --> 00:45:32,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you did the right thing. Okay, as

889
00:45:32,533 --> 00:45:35,093
Speaker 3: brutal as it is, and clearly it's pretty traumatic for

890
00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:37,133
Speaker 3: you to go through. But as you say, what else

891
00:45:37,133 --> 00:45:39,293
Speaker 3: do you do? It's either the dog or the person?

892
00:45:40,093 --> 00:45:42,773
Speaker 3: And I mean cheap is the fact that you had

893
00:45:42,813 --> 00:45:44,172
Speaker 3: to do it, mate, because you were the one there

894
00:45:44,613 --> 00:45:45,293
Speaker 3: that's brutal.

895
00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:50,253
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I actually cut my tendon and

896
00:45:50,293 --> 00:45:54,573
Speaker 14: my pinky, so I had to go in an episode

897
00:45:54,653 --> 00:45:57,133
Speaker 14: do myself a little more.

898
00:45:57,173 --> 00:46:00,333
Speaker 2: Well, what what a dramatic situation, man?

899
00:46:00,453 --> 00:46:00,973
Speaker 14: Yeah?

900
00:46:01,093 --> 00:46:04,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that is intense. Most people wouldn't go through

901
00:46:04,653 --> 00:46:08,333
Speaker 2: their whole life without experience anything as intense as that. Yeah,

902
00:46:08,333 --> 00:46:09,373
Speaker 2: I hold it a little bit.

903
00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:12,812
Speaker 14: He was too scared to help me. He didn't. I said,

904
00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:14,533
Speaker 14: grab the show, will and you know, come and help

905
00:46:14,573 --> 00:46:16,293
Speaker 14: me whack it little give offer.

906
00:46:16,573 --> 00:46:17,573
Speaker 3: How old was your boy.

907
00:46:18,493 --> 00:46:24,413
Speaker 14: Now at the time, you would have been sixteen.

908
00:46:24,613 --> 00:46:27,813
Speaker 2: That's pretty serious. Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much

909
00:46:27,853 --> 00:46:28,693
Speaker 2: for sharing your story.

910
00:46:28,693 --> 00:46:28,893
Speaker 14: Man.

911
00:46:28,973 --> 00:46:31,773
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine your own dog. I just want your

912
00:46:31,813 --> 00:46:33,893
Speaker 2: own dog going. You would be quite something that you say.

913
00:46:33,973 --> 00:46:37,093
Speaker 14: You go, mate, I've got nothing against footballs. I've owned

914
00:46:37,413 --> 00:46:39,973
Speaker 14: footballs all my life since a little and I reckon

915
00:46:40,013 --> 00:46:42,933
Speaker 14: it's it's just so how you bring them up, how

916
00:46:42,973 --> 00:46:45,093
Speaker 14: you raise them.

917
00:46:44,533 --> 00:46:47,333
Speaker 2: So like so for pitotbulls, because that's a pititball. That's

918
00:46:47,333 --> 00:46:49,773
Speaker 2: probably been me. I don't know the history at all,

919
00:46:49,853 --> 00:46:52,773
Speaker 2: but I would say that the car has been good

920
00:46:52,813 --> 00:46:55,573
Speaker 2: every day and then one day just turns Can that

921
00:46:55,653 --> 00:46:56,093
Speaker 2: happen to.

922
00:46:56,013 --> 00:46:59,853
Speaker 14: Her brother at the neighbors? Not long after that, and

923
00:46:59,893 --> 00:47:02,813
Speaker 14: he said they had bidden someone in the past, So

924
00:47:03,373 --> 00:47:05,613
Speaker 14: I reckon this should have got put down there.

925
00:47:06,173 --> 00:47:08,973
Speaker 2: Yeah right, oh, thank you, thank you so much for

926
00:47:08,973 --> 00:47:10,173
Speaker 2: your call. Man, Really appreciate it.

927
00:47:10,253 --> 00:47:14,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, unreal. Kah thinks you're watching UFC and then all

928
00:47:14,133 --> 00:47:17,252
Speaker 3: of a sudden you look outside and something even even

929
00:47:17,293 --> 00:47:19,692
Speaker 3: more brutal than UFC is going on. Gee, I mean

930
00:47:19,733 --> 00:47:22,493
Speaker 3: to be put in that situation, good on, Kah, look

931
00:47:22,533 --> 00:47:24,692
Speaker 3: as a dog lover with both dog lovers. But you've

932
00:47:24,693 --> 00:47:26,333
Speaker 3: got to do what you've got to do. I don't

933
00:47:26,373 --> 00:47:29,253
Speaker 3: know if I'd have the mental fortitude to do what

934
00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:30,613
Speaker 3: he did, but thank god he did.

935
00:47:31,053 --> 00:47:31,292
Speaker 14: Yeah.

936
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:33,133
Speaker 2: I mean I like to use nize that cat that time,

937
00:47:33,173 --> 00:47:36,413
Speaker 2: but it's a totally different situation. Yeah, the cat wasn't

938
00:47:36,453 --> 00:47:36,933
Speaker 2: attacking me.

939
00:47:37,013 --> 00:47:38,692
Speaker 3: That was full on though. Oh one hundred and eighty

940
00:47:38,733 --> 00:47:41,653
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call keen on your view. So,

941
00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:43,453
Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got a story like Kahi really

942
00:47:43,533 --> 00:47:47,653
Speaker 3: keen to hear from you. It is quarter past two.

943
00:47:47,093 --> 00:47:51,692
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call,

944
00:47:51,853 --> 00:47:54,293
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

945
00:47:54,133 --> 00:47:54,573
Speaker 8: Said be.

946
00:47:56,053 --> 00:47:59,813
Speaker 2: As Texas says what happened to the dog. Well, Kahi

947
00:48:00,173 --> 00:48:02,373
Speaker 2: killed the dog with the butcher's knife to save the

948
00:48:02,813 --> 00:48:05,413
Speaker 2: woman who was one of the owners from being mauled

949
00:48:05,413 --> 00:48:07,453
Speaker 2: by the dog's gone, and he shows what happened to

950
00:48:07,453 --> 00:48:08,413
Speaker 2: the dog after that. I don't know.

951
00:48:08,853 --> 00:48:12,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dog got buried. I don't know, potentially buried, yeah,

952
00:48:13,053 --> 00:48:15,013
Speaker 3: who knows. But yeah, left in the trash.

953
00:48:15,213 --> 00:48:16,333
Speaker 2: I don't know. What do you do with the dog

954
00:48:16,373 --> 00:48:18,213
Speaker 2: that's tried to kill someone and it's been killed with

955
00:48:18,253 --> 00:48:19,172
Speaker 2: a butcher's knife?

956
00:48:19,373 --> 00:48:20,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows.

957
00:48:20,893 --> 00:48:25,373
Speaker 2: It was quite the story there, very interesting. This said

958
00:48:25,373 --> 00:48:29,453
Speaker 2: that was my neighbor, that story that we just heard then, ah,

959
00:48:29,493 --> 00:48:33,333
Speaker 2: and that those dogs, those dogs were constantly out on

960
00:48:33,373 --> 00:48:36,453
Speaker 2: the road rushing members of the public. Was a very large.

961
00:48:36,573 --> 00:48:38,693
Speaker 3: Pitball, right, so repeat a fender.

962
00:48:39,013 --> 00:48:40,493
Speaker 2: Do you think you'd have the guts to do that?

963
00:48:40,653 --> 00:48:44,453
Speaker 2: If you saw a large pitball going a woman in

964
00:48:44,453 --> 00:48:46,212
Speaker 2: a car, would you have the guts to go out

965
00:48:46,253 --> 00:48:47,973
Speaker 2: and do what you need to do with the butcher's knife.

966
00:48:48,973 --> 00:48:51,053
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't think about getting the butcher's knife. I mean,

967
00:48:51,093 --> 00:48:53,133
Speaker 3: good on Kahi for thinking that. I think if that

968
00:48:53,373 --> 00:48:56,373
Speaker 3: if I was in that situation, i'd panic try and

969
00:48:56,413 --> 00:48:58,172
Speaker 3: do what I could try and rip the dog off.

970
00:48:58,453 --> 00:48:59,853
Speaker 3: But that would be the end of it, was. I

971
00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:00,933
Speaker 3: don't know what else to do here.

972
00:49:01,693 --> 00:49:04,933
Speaker 2: As dog lovers, it's hard to get your head around

973
00:49:04,973 --> 00:49:08,013
Speaker 2: the idea that you might have to so brutally deal

974
00:49:08,053 --> 00:49:08,613
Speaker 2: with the dog.

975
00:49:09,133 --> 00:49:11,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we've all thought about it.

976
00:49:11,693 --> 00:49:13,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the end, as much as you love dogs,

977
00:49:13,813 --> 00:49:15,893
Speaker 2: it's the human always comes firstly.

978
00:49:15,933 --> 00:49:18,933
Speaker 3: Obviously, very true, Monty. How are you?

979
00:49:19,053 --> 00:49:23,853
Speaker 8: Yeah, Hi there, Yeah, thanks to take my call. I

980
00:49:23,933 --> 00:49:27,893
Speaker 8: had a very memorable experience with a very close friend

981
00:49:27,893 --> 00:49:30,693
Speaker 8: of mine about ten years ago. He was out riding

982
00:49:30,733 --> 00:49:34,133
Speaker 8: his bike mining his own business, Quiet Street, and these

983
00:49:34,253 --> 00:49:37,293
Speaker 8: two dogs flew out of the property. They've been causing

984
00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:40,533
Speaker 8: trouble before with other neighbors. Apparently, anyway, got into the

985
00:49:40,573 --> 00:49:44,213
Speaker 8: front wheel. He went up, over the handlebars, landed on

986
00:49:44,253 --> 00:49:47,373
Speaker 8: his head, ended up and ranwy and the brain treatment.

987
00:49:47,453 --> 00:49:51,333
Speaker 8: He's never been the same since, can't drive. He's sort

988
00:49:51,333 --> 00:49:53,533
Speaker 8: of vegetable eyes. I suppose you can stand away.

989
00:49:53,373 --> 00:49:55,413
Speaker 2: Oh man, wow, So just so I can get my

990
00:49:55,413 --> 00:49:57,973
Speaker 2: head around that, Monty. So the dog bit the front

991
00:49:57,973 --> 00:49:59,413
Speaker 2: wheel and he went over the handlebars.

992
00:49:59,453 --> 00:50:01,773
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, the dog. The dogs flew out into the

993
00:50:02,413 --> 00:50:06,573
Speaker 8: from this property, which apparently was you know. It was

994
00:50:06,613 --> 00:50:08,613
Speaker 8: one of those things seemed to happen quite a bit

995
00:50:08,693 --> 00:50:11,373
Speaker 8: by sound of it, and anyway to kill. He was

996
00:50:11,493 --> 00:50:13,853
Speaker 8: riding past the dogs, fell out, got on the front

997
00:50:13,853 --> 00:50:17,133
Speaker 8: wheels and up he went over the handlebars and landed

998
00:50:17,133 --> 00:50:21,133
Speaker 8: on his head and brain damage. And the maddening part

999
00:50:21,213 --> 00:50:23,333
Speaker 8: was he was he was only he was handy to

1000
00:50:23,413 --> 00:50:26,133
Speaker 8: home and just a short run and I said, didn't

1001
00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:28,933
Speaker 8: heavy selmet on for about the first time ever, And

1002
00:50:29,693 --> 00:50:32,453
Speaker 8: that's wrecked his life. And of course his wife and

1003
00:50:32,453 --> 00:50:34,013
Speaker 8: the family bore something accordingly.

1004
00:50:34,173 --> 00:50:34,493
Speaker 17: Whatever.

1005
00:50:34,973 --> 00:50:38,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, was there any repercussions for the dogs or the dog.

1006
00:50:38,253 --> 00:50:40,973
Speaker 8: No, I think the dogs were put down or something.

1007
00:50:41,293 --> 00:50:43,732
Speaker 8: I'm sure they would have been, but it's going back

1008
00:50:43,813 --> 00:50:45,613
Speaker 8: ten years to have it has left a very marked

1009
00:50:45,653 --> 00:50:48,212
Speaker 8: impression on me after knowing what he was. I mean,

1010
00:50:48,213 --> 00:50:50,533
Speaker 8: we grew up together as kids, you know, and you

1011
00:50:50,613 --> 00:50:51,773
Speaker 8: had been his early seventies.

1012
00:50:51,813 --> 00:50:56,853
Speaker 2: I suppose that's sad, but yeah, so, I mean, isn't

1013
00:50:56,853 --> 00:50:59,252
Speaker 2: it because the dog is responsible for that. They haven't

1014
00:50:59,253 --> 00:51:04,133
Speaker 2: actually physically attacked the owner, but there's there. They're responsible

1015
00:51:04,173 --> 00:51:06,333
Speaker 2: for serious damage to a human.

1016
00:51:07,853 --> 00:51:10,413
Speaker 8: Apparently, because there's been a lot of trouble prior to

1017
00:51:10,453 --> 00:51:12,973
Speaker 8: this experience, but of course it was just the worst

1018
00:51:13,053 --> 00:51:14,613
Speaker 8: scenario I could imagine.

1019
00:51:14,253 --> 00:51:17,013
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, Yeah, that is tragic, Monty, thank you

1020
00:51:17,173 --> 00:51:19,133
Speaker 3: very much. I mean, that is a tough one that

1021
00:51:19,373 --> 00:51:22,573
Speaker 3: as you said, that the dog was responsible. But if

1022
00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:24,973
Speaker 3: you you know, if that poor guy got her buy

1023
00:51:25,013 --> 00:51:28,853
Speaker 3: a car, for example, how much responsibility to put on

1024
00:51:28,893 --> 00:51:31,053
Speaker 3: the on the car driver, because that was a dog

1025
00:51:31,093 --> 00:51:35,373
Speaker 3: attacking the bike, not the human. Tragic, incredibly tragic, But

1026
00:51:35,413 --> 00:51:37,613
Speaker 3: that's a tough one to put in the same category

1027
00:51:37,653 --> 00:51:39,533
Speaker 3: as what car he had to deal with.

1028
00:51:40,973 --> 00:51:43,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was out on the road the

1029
00:51:43,933 --> 00:51:46,933
Speaker 2: other day walking my dog and I saw two pit

1030
00:51:47,013 --> 00:51:48,733
Speaker 2: bulls that had got out of the gate of their

1031
00:51:48,773 --> 00:51:50,133
Speaker 2: house and they were just standing at the end of

1032
00:51:50,173 --> 00:51:53,413
Speaker 2: the street, really powerful looking dogs, yep, And they were

1033
00:51:53,453 --> 00:51:57,773
Speaker 2: just looking at my dog and they looked there was

1034
00:51:57,773 --> 00:52:00,813
Speaker 2: a different look in their eye actually was quite chilling.

1035
00:52:00,893 --> 00:52:03,053
Speaker 3: It would have they looked like hounds from hell. Do

1036
00:52:03,133 --> 00:52:05,173
Speaker 3: they have their manhood still attached?

1037
00:52:05,253 --> 00:52:05,533
Speaker 2: Yes?

1038
00:52:05,693 --> 00:52:08,973
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yes, helps out sign of go anywhere?

1039
00:52:09,093 --> 00:52:11,293
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm just thinking about if that'd come from

1040
00:52:11,293 --> 00:52:12,373
Speaker 2: my dog. Colin.

1041
00:52:13,173 --> 00:52:14,253
Speaker 3: You know, what do you do?

1042
00:52:14,893 --> 00:52:15,453
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1043
00:52:15,573 --> 00:52:18,253
Speaker 3: You and Colin versus? Yeah, A couple of pities.

1044
00:52:18,373 --> 00:52:20,573
Speaker 2: Well, if it was between Colin and those pities, then

1045
00:52:20,573 --> 00:52:21,652
Speaker 2: I'd be getting the butcher's knife.

1046
00:52:21,973 --> 00:52:24,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll pit your woord all right. Twenty three past two,

1047
00:52:24,613 --> 00:52:27,173
Speaker 3: taking your calls of one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1048
00:52:27,413 --> 00:52:30,053
Speaker 3: We have been talking about dog control laws. Is it

1049
00:52:30,173 --> 00:52:32,933
Speaker 3: time that they are radically updated and severe punishments come

1050
00:52:32,973 --> 00:52:34,933
Speaker 3: through for bad owners? Back very shortly.

1051
00:52:36,013 --> 00:52:38,213
Speaker 2: Are you a fisherman, a diver or a kayaker.

1052
00:52:38,333 --> 00:52:40,573
Speaker 3: However you're heading out on the water this summer, keep

1053
00:52:40,573 --> 00:52:43,693
Speaker 3: an eye out for Boy Boy, your friendly reminder to

1054
00:52:43,733 --> 00:52:44,893
Speaker 3: stay safe before you launch.

1055
00:52:45,173 --> 00:52:47,853
Speaker 2: You'll spot Boy Boy bobbing around out there, popping up

1056
00:52:47,893 --> 00:52:51,213
Speaker 2: to remind you of the three big rules of the water.

1057
00:52:51,453 --> 00:52:54,212
Speaker 3: So Rule one life jackets look better on Wearing one

1058
00:52:54,253 --> 00:52:56,053
Speaker 3: is one of the simplest and most effective ways to

1059
00:52:56,093 --> 00:52:56,853
Speaker 3: protect yourself.

1060
00:52:56,933 --> 00:53:00,013
Speaker 2: Rule two, the marine weather forecast won't check itself before

1061
00:53:00,013 --> 00:53:01,893
Speaker 2: you head out, take a moment to look up the

1062
00:53:02,053 --> 00:53:04,533
Speaker 2: latest conditions so you're not caught by surprise.

1063
00:53:04,613 --> 00:53:07,613
Speaker 3: And rule three always take two waterproof ways to call

1064
00:53:07,693 --> 00:53:09,853
Speaker 3: for help. A lot ok to beacon and also a

1065
00:53:09,853 --> 00:53:12,212
Speaker 3: phone sealed in a plastic bag that can make all

1066
00:53:12,253 --> 00:53:14,373
Speaker 3: the difference in an emergency.

1067
00:53:13,933 --> 00:53:16,333
Speaker 2: Preparation is the key to staying safe.

1068
00:53:16,453 --> 00:53:19,493
Speaker 3: So before you push off, paddle out, or drop a line,

1069
00:53:19,573 --> 00:53:22,973
Speaker 3: remember be sure before you leave the shore.

1070
00:53:27,613 --> 00:53:31,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1071
00:53:31,373 --> 00:53:33,253
Speaker 1: ten eighty on US Talk ZB.

1072
00:53:33,453 --> 00:53:34,533
Speaker 3: Twenty six past two.

1073
00:53:34,813 --> 00:53:37,053
Speaker 2: Matt, who would call a dog Colin? Well, it's a

1074
00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:40,013
Speaker 2: good question. Our dog's called Colin, and it was named

1075
00:53:40,053 --> 00:53:43,013
Speaker 2: by a couple of little boys that were one was

1076
00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:46,733
Speaker 2: two and one was four at the time. Yeah, so

1077
00:53:46,813 --> 00:53:49,732
Speaker 2: they called it because we let Matt kids our little

1078
00:53:49,773 --> 00:53:51,173
Speaker 2: boy's name our dog Colin.

1079
00:53:51,133 --> 00:53:53,493
Speaker 3: And he's definitely a Colin. Now really fits that name

1080
00:53:53,613 --> 00:53:55,013
Speaker 3: massas strong. Yeah, strong name.

1081
00:53:55,053 --> 00:53:57,293
Speaker 2: But then Colin from Accounts came along and everyone goes, oh,

1082
00:53:57,333 --> 00:53:59,333
Speaker 2: you called your dog off the TV show Colin from Acounts. Now,

1083
00:53:59,333 --> 00:54:00,413
Speaker 2: we were there a long time before that.

1084
00:54:00,533 --> 00:54:01,333
Speaker 3: Colin was the og.

1085
00:54:02,013 --> 00:54:05,093
Speaker 2: We should have UFC matches between humans and pit bull

1086
00:54:05,173 --> 00:54:07,253
Speaker 2: says John. That's a little bit taken it back to

1087
00:54:07,293 --> 00:54:10,773
Speaker 2: the ancient Roman Colisseum. I'm not sure if people are

1088
00:54:10,773 --> 00:54:13,652
Speaker 2: ready for that just yet. I take a weapon with

1089
00:54:13,733 --> 00:54:16,253
Speaker 2: me when I take my lovely bulldog out in public,

1090
00:54:16,293 --> 00:54:18,172
Speaker 2: just in case a rogue dog comes to play up.

1091
00:54:18,413 --> 00:54:21,732
Speaker 2: Great show guys from Big Jay the trucker. What we

1092
00:54:21,733 --> 00:54:22,453
Speaker 2: need more information?

1093
00:54:22,533 --> 00:54:23,733
Speaker 3: Yea, what bide a weapon?

1094
00:54:23,853 --> 00:54:25,933
Speaker 2: What are you taking out in AK forty seven?

1095
00:54:27,213 --> 00:54:30,093
Speaker 3: The weapon? They would do the job? Kate, how are

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00:54:30,093 --> 00:54:31,732
Speaker 3: you hi there?

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00:54:31,813 --> 00:54:32,373
Speaker 18: Yeah? I'm good.

1098
00:54:32,453 --> 00:54:36,973
Speaker 3: Thank you so keen to hear about your story?

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00:54:37,053 --> 00:54:37,333
Speaker 15: Yeah?

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00:54:37,453 --> 00:54:41,252
Speaker 19: Basically, I mean I've always had dogs, but this one

1101
00:54:41,333 --> 00:54:44,692
Speaker 19: particular dog that I had, I got she was eight

1102
00:54:44,733 --> 00:54:47,652
Speaker 19: months old when I got off from a rescue and

1103
00:54:47,693 --> 00:54:49,933
Speaker 19: I was taken her down the beach to meet up

1104
00:54:49,973 --> 00:54:52,973
Speaker 19: with a friend and her dog. So the friend and

1105
00:54:53,173 --> 00:54:57,893
Speaker 19: her dog were in the ocean, and as we approached

1106
00:54:57,893 --> 00:55:02,413
Speaker 19: the beach, she let her dog go because the dogs

1107
00:55:02,453 --> 00:55:07,653
Speaker 19: knew each other. But my dog was just like all

1108
00:55:07,733 --> 00:55:11,693
Speaker 19: my dogs would say, was this dog running at us?

1109
00:55:11,893 --> 00:55:14,413
Speaker 19: So therefore the only thing I can think, Oh, she

1110
00:55:14,533 --> 00:55:18,773
Speaker 19: interpreted it as danger and she went for that dog

1111
00:55:18,973 --> 00:55:23,973
Speaker 19: and she didn't let go. Long story short, basically got

1112
00:55:23,973 --> 00:55:28,493
Speaker 19: them separated. But I I had to I have my

1113
00:55:28,573 --> 00:55:34,013
Speaker 19: dog put down that afternoon because you volunteer something. Yes,

1114
00:55:34,613 --> 00:55:39,653
Speaker 19: broke my heart broke. I could still cry now only dog.

1115
00:55:40,053 --> 00:55:43,813
Speaker 19: But I saw something, and I've seen a couple of

1116
00:55:43,813 --> 00:55:47,733
Speaker 19: little things before, not nothing like that, not even a

1117
00:55:47,773 --> 00:55:50,813
Speaker 19: bite or anything. But I just had this feeling, and

1118
00:55:50,893 --> 00:55:56,773
Speaker 19: I was like, if anything ever happened, I knew what

1119
00:55:56,893 --> 00:55:59,493
Speaker 19: I'd seen, so I knew that I had to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's a very brave move for you,

1121
00:56:02,493 --> 00:56:03,853
Speaker 2: if you knew it was the right thing to do,

1122
00:56:04,013 --> 00:56:06,573
Speaker 2: then being good on you? What what? What? How much

1123
00:56:06,653 --> 00:56:08,693
Speaker 2: damage did your dog do to your friends dog that

1124
00:56:08,773 --> 00:56:11,973
Speaker 2: was running out of the water, Just a few.

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Speaker 19: Pinch of holes and you know, just a normal thing.

1126
00:56:14,733 --> 00:56:16,973
Speaker 19: But I mean I actually at one stage thought, oh

1127
00:56:16,973 --> 00:56:19,373
Speaker 19: my god, this dog's going to lose an eir. I

1128
00:56:19,413 --> 00:56:23,813
Speaker 19: lost half of my kind of thinger trying to separate them.

1129
00:56:24,373 --> 00:56:27,773
Speaker 19: But yeah, I think I had more damage than anyone else.

1130
00:56:28,053 --> 00:56:31,133
Speaker 19: And that was just that was me put in my

1131
00:56:31,173 --> 00:56:33,652
Speaker 19: hands where I shouldn't have. You know, that wasn't any

1132
00:56:33,973 --> 00:56:35,093
Speaker 19: any of the dog's fault.

1133
00:56:35,613 --> 00:56:39,333
Speaker 2: And how did your friend react? How did your friend

1134
00:56:39,373 --> 00:56:40,813
Speaker 2: react to the situation?

1135
00:56:41,893 --> 00:56:43,413
Speaker 20: Oh, she was pretty good.

1136
00:56:43,533 --> 00:56:46,413
Speaker 19: She was really understandable. You know, I was like, oh

1137
00:56:46,453 --> 00:56:50,453
Speaker 19: my god, Oh my god, she was She says, I

1138
00:56:50,453 --> 00:56:52,772
Speaker 19: can see that. You know, your dog was just trying

1139
00:56:52,773 --> 00:56:56,813
Speaker 19: to defend you. So she was really cool. She was

1140
00:56:56,853 --> 00:56:59,053
Speaker 19: really cool about it. But and she was like, you

1141
00:56:59,093 --> 00:57:00,093
Speaker 19: didn't have to put.

1142
00:56:59,853 --> 00:57:00,493
Speaker 12: Your dog down.

1143
00:57:00,533 --> 00:57:03,693
Speaker 19: I went I saw something, as if I can't because.

1144
00:57:05,133 --> 00:57:07,653
Speaker 2: They could have been a child and not another dog at.

1145
00:57:07,493 --> 00:57:09,293
Speaker 19: Some point, do you know, I mean, even if it

1146
00:57:09,373 --> 00:57:12,093
Speaker 19: was another dog, you know next time, that's bad enough.

1147
00:57:12,253 --> 00:57:14,133
Speaker 2: And so, how did you lose the bit of your finger?

1148
00:57:14,253 --> 00:57:16,853
Speaker 2: So did one of the dogs bite?

1149
00:57:17,093 --> 00:57:17,293
Speaker 12: Well?

1150
00:57:17,333 --> 00:57:20,533
Speaker 19: No, I so I did the whole chin to pull

1151
00:57:20,613 --> 00:57:22,453
Speaker 19: the tail trying to separate them.

1152
00:57:22,533 --> 00:57:23,173
Speaker 12: That didn't work.

1153
00:57:23,773 --> 00:57:27,493
Speaker 20: So I put my finger at the real back of

1154
00:57:27,773 --> 00:57:31,933
Speaker 20: my dog's teeth, you know, the bitee pa, And just

1155
00:57:32,053 --> 00:57:36,613
Speaker 20: in the whole drama and chaos of the things, my

1156
00:57:36,693 --> 00:57:39,493
Speaker 20: finger got caught. I mean, it wasn't the dog attacking me.

1157
00:57:39,653 --> 00:57:41,613
Speaker 20: The dog was still latched onto the other dog.

1158
00:57:41,693 --> 00:57:47,173
Speaker 2: It was just you know, yeah, okay, what a what

1159
00:57:47,293 --> 00:57:49,813
Speaker 2: a full on decision to have to make.

1160
00:57:50,773 --> 00:57:51,573
Speaker 19: Yeah, horrible.

1161
00:57:51,813 --> 00:57:52,013
Speaker 2: Yah.

1162
00:57:52,213 --> 00:57:54,653
Speaker 19: I've had so many dogs, and I've been there when

1163
00:57:54,653 --> 00:57:56,733
Speaker 19: they've been put down. I'm ex fetner.

1164
00:57:58,013 --> 00:58:00,253
Speaker 3: An incredibly hard thing to do. How long did you

1165
00:58:00,293 --> 00:58:02,653
Speaker 3: have the dog for? You mentioned it was an older dog.

1166
00:58:02,693 --> 00:58:03,653
Speaker 3: When you're riskued it.

1167
00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:08,493
Speaker 19: Yeah, I had her for about three years. Okay, I've

1168
00:58:08,493 --> 00:58:10,653
Speaker 19: seen a couple of things where like, well that's a

1169
00:58:10,653 --> 00:58:12,573
Speaker 19: bit odd, that's a bit odd.

1170
00:58:13,053 --> 00:58:15,333
Speaker 14: And then yeah, so did you take.

1171
00:58:15,173 --> 00:58:17,173
Speaker 2: It into your dog into the vet to get put down?

1172
00:58:17,253 --> 00:58:20,693
Speaker 19: Cake, Yeah, yeah, And I've been told even by my

1173
00:58:20,853 --> 00:58:22,973
Speaker 19: vet to sleep on it for the night, and I went,

1174
00:58:23,013 --> 00:58:24,573
Speaker 19: I can't, I can't look at us.

1175
00:58:24,813 --> 00:58:26,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't look up. I will thank you for

1176
00:58:26,893 --> 00:58:27,733
Speaker 2: showing your story, Kate.

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00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:31,173
Speaker 3: Excruciating decision, but the right thing to do, absolutely, you

1178
00:58:31,213 --> 00:58:33,293
Speaker 3: know it is it's you know, it's a sad thing,

1179
00:58:33,333 --> 00:58:35,213
Speaker 3: isn't it, Kate. They're particularly with the older dogs that

1180
00:58:35,293 --> 00:58:37,933
Speaker 3: get rescued. Some of them can be helped and some

1181
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:40,493
Speaker 3: of them just can't be, you know, whatever's going on

1182
00:58:40,573 --> 00:58:43,773
Speaker 3: in their brain, aggressive wise, sadly sometimes just can't be

1183
00:58:44,493 --> 00:58:46,573
Speaker 3: can never be sorted out. And the kindest thing to

1184
00:58:46,613 --> 00:58:47,693
Speaker 3: do is to do what you did.

1185
00:58:48,933 --> 00:58:51,133
Speaker 19: Yeah. I just think people need to take a bit

1186
00:58:51,173 --> 00:58:55,493
Speaker 19: more responsibility. They are animals. They can do damage. My

1187
00:58:55,653 --> 00:59:00,213
Speaker 19: little puppy willing to nap. Now we need to take responsibility.

1188
00:59:00,333 --> 00:59:02,053
Speaker 2: And what kind of dog was was your dog, Kate?

1189
00:59:02,093 --> 00:59:03,613
Speaker 2: If you don't mind me asking, she.

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00:59:03,693 --> 00:59:06,093
Speaker 19: Was the hinds. She was a hindes, you know, she

1191
00:59:06,213 --> 00:59:06,813
Speaker 19: was a mixture.

1192
00:59:07,293 --> 00:59:09,133
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had a rot biler.

1193
00:59:09,373 --> 00:59:15,573
Speaker 19: I've had a big French Masterif no trouble with them.

1194
00:59:14,773 --> 00:59:17,093
Speaker 3: Kate, thank you very much for giving us a phone call.

1195
00:59:17,173 --> 00:59:19,693
Speaker 3: Really appreciate it. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten

1196
00:59:19,693 --> 00:59:21,373
Speaker 3: eighties a number call. Couple of teach coming through A

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00:59:21,453 --> 00:59:22,413
Speaker 3: nine two nine two.

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Speaker 2: Lads, I take a seven iron when I walk my dog.

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Speaker 2: After our local council let two dogs go home after

1200
00:59:27,253 --> 00:59:30,453
Speaker 2: killing six sheep. Council said owners have upgraded their fences.

1201
00:59:30,493 --> 00:59:32,773
Speaker 2: That's no help to me or my dog if they

1202
00:59:32,813 --> 00:59:35,853
Speaker 2: get back out now they have a taste for blood.

1203
00:59:36,053 --> 00:59:38,173
Speaker 2: You're walking around with a seven iron. Sorry, I said

1204
00:59:38,173 --> 00:59:39,013
Speaker 2: it was a nine iron.

1205
00:59:39,093 --> 00:59:40,933
Speaker 3: Okay, right, Yeah, big difference, big difference.

1206
00:59:41,013 --> 00:59:45,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's more distance. Yeah. It's a lot

1207
00:59:45,573 --> 00:59:48,453
Speaker 2: carrying a seven iron around, isn't it.

1208
00:59:48,533 --> 00:59:50,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I suppose if anyone pulls you up,

1209
00:59:50,893 --> 00:59:51,893
Speaker 3: just so, I'm just going for a bit of a

1210
00:59:51,973 --> 00:59:56,293
Speaker 3: rout of golf. Yeah, smart, all right. It is twenty

1211
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1215
01:00:09,733 --> 01:00:13,253
Speaker 5: Reserve Bank has kept the official cash rate unchanged at

1216
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Speaker 5: two point two five percent. The Independent Children's Monitor says

1217
01:00:17,973 --> 01:00:22,293
Speaker 5: kerers have killed twenty four children since Malachi Schubeck's murder

1218
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty one, finding little movement and recommendations for improvements.

1219
01:00:27,933 --> 01:00:31,333
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1220
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Speaker 5: as pills under a FARMAC funding proposal. State Highway seventy

1221
01:00:36,253 --> 01:00:40,013
Speaker 5: five from Christchurch to Arkoda is now fully open as

1222
01:00:40,013 --> 01:00:43,053
Speaker 5: the cleanup carries on for the rain battered Bank's peninsula.

1223
01:00:43,293 --> 01:00:46,173
Speaker 5: It is still under a state of emergency, with others

1224
01:00:46,213 --> 01:00:50,613
Speaker 5: also still in force across central New Zealand. Wellington's wastewater

1225
01:00:50,693 --> 01:00:53,093
Speaker 5: is again being discharged and to cook straight through the

1226
01:00:53,133 --> 01:00:56,493
Speaker 5: long fall pipe, reverting from the close to shore outfall

1227
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1228
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1230
01:01:07,533 --> 01:01:08,253
Speaker 5: to Matt Eath and time.

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Speaker 3: Adam, thank you very much, Ray Lean. It is twenty

1232
01:01:12,133 --> 01:01:12,933
Speaker 3: four to three.

1233
01:01:13,693 --> 01:01:17,173
Speaker 2: So it's been an amazing chat. Actually so incredibly stories,

1234
01:01:17,453 --> 01:01:20,533
Speaker 2: some incredible stories and tragic stories and look, a dog

1235
01:01:20,613 --> 01:01:25,133
Speaker 2: well trained, looked after and kept is no danger to anyone,

1236
01:01:25,453 --> 01:01:28,533
Speaker 2: right yea. But if you know that your dog is

1237
01:01:28,613 --> 01:01:33,293
Speaker 2: dangerous and you see things that suggest that your dog

1238
01:01:33,373 --> 01:01:35,773
Speaker 2: is dangerous or as attack someone before, and you do

1239
01:01:35,893 --> 01:01:38,813
Speaker 2: nothing about it and it attacks someone, then there should

1240
01:01:38,893 --> 01:01:43,133
Speaker 2: be serious consequences for you as the owner. If it

1241
01:01:43,253 --> 01:01:47,693
Speaker 2: kills someone, then surely that's at least manslaughter. Well it

1242
01:01:47,773 --> 01:01:50,173
Speaker 2: is in my eyes. And look, some people have dogs

1243
01:01:50,653 --> 01:01:53,813
Speaker 2: because they think the dogs make them look tough, yep,

1244
01:01:54,373 --> 01:01:59,053
Speaker 2: and they have dogs because they're mean. And so if

1245
01:01:59,053 --> 01:02:02,653
Speaker 2: you have a dog because it makes you look tough

1246
01:02:02,813 --> 01:02:05,133
Speaker 2: and because you think the dogs are mean, and then

1247
01:02:05,173 --> 01:02:09,133
Speaker 2: the dogs do something terrible, then that is there should

1248
01:02:09,173 --> 01:02:12,893
Speaker 2: be severe consequences on you, because that's not the dog's fault.

1249
01:02:12,933 --> 01:02:13,973
Speaker 2: You've created a monster.

1250
01:02:14,133 --> 01:02:16,213
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I think a lot of people would agree

1251
01:02:16,253 --> 01:02:19,213
Speaker 3: with that, and we will see whether Shane Jones follows

1252
01:02:19,253 --> 01:02:22,613
Speaker 3: through on increasing the severity of those punishments for those

1253
01:02:22,653 --> 01:02:24,973
Speaker 3: bad dog owners. Great discussion, Thank you to everyone who

1254
01:02:25,053 --> 01:02:27,293
Speaker 3: called in text on that. Let's get into this one.

1255
01:02:27,413 --> 01:02:30,533
Speaker 3: New Zealand's first National Infrastructure Plan was released yesterday, so

1256
01:02:30,573 --> 01:02:33,213
Speaker 3: it laid out a roadmap for infrastructure for the next

1257
01:02:33,253 --> 01:02:37,053
Speaker 3: thirty years. But one suggestion in particular has riled up

1258
01:02:37,173 --> 01:02:40,093
Speaker 3: a lot of people. That is the suggestion of a

1259
01:02:40,173 --> 01:02:43,693
Speaker 3: nine dollar toll to cross the dirty old Harbor Bridge.

1260
01:02:43,853 --> 01:02:46,853
Speaker 3: So this is in addition to the long awaited we

1261
01:02:46,893 --> 01:02:48,693
Speaker 3: don't know when it's going to happen Whye to Matar

1262
01:02:48,813 --> 01:02:52,773
Speaker 3: Harbor crossing. So the commission recommended tolling the existing bridge

1263
01:02:52,813 --> 01:02:55,493
Speaker 3: as well, a double whammy. And you got to ask

1264
01:02:55,533 --> 01:02:58,293
Speaker 3: a question why. I mean, the answer is pretty obvious

1265
01:02:58,333 --> 01:03:00,453
Speaker 3: is because they want they want more cash. If they

1266
01:03:00,493 --> 01:03:03,173
Speaker 3: were only going to toll one bridge, that would leave

1267
01:03:03,213 --> 01:03:06,053
Speaker 3: them seven to nine billion dollars short, depending on how

1268
01:03:06,093 --> 01:03:07,293
Speaker 3: long the toll was in place.

1269
01:03:07,933 --> 01:03:10,893
Speaker 2: You can't aren't And look, this hasn't been implemented yet.

1270
01:03:10,933 --> 01:03:12,893
Speaker 2: This is just a suggestion, But I can't believe anyone

1271
01:03:12,893 --> 01:03:16,333
Speaker 2: would even suggest that this. You're tolling one bridge to

1272
01:03:16,333 --> 01:03:19,693
Speaker 2: build another bridge. We've already that toll stopped in eighty four.

1273
01:03:19,853 --> 01:03:20,453
Speaker 2: That bridge has.

1274
01:03:20,373 --> 01:03:22,373
Speaker 3: Already been told yep, we're paid our dues.

1275
01:03:22,693 --> 01:03:27,373
Speaker 2: You know it's it's it's you can't retoll a bridge

1276
01:03:27,373 --> 01:03:32,333
Speaker 2: for another bridge. It's like your Netflix account, you know,

1277
01:03:32,413 --> 01:03:35,013
Speaker 2: you get that you get that free trial, and then

1278
01:03:35,133 --> 01:03:36,893
Speaker 2: now the free trial's over and we're going to start

1279
01:03:36,933 --> 01:03:39,413
Speaker 2: charging for that bridge again. Yeah, it's ridiculous. That bridge

1280
01:03:39,413 --> 01:03:41,653
Speaker 2: has got nothing to do with the other bridge. How

1281
01:03:41,653 --> 01:03:44,013
Speaker 2: can you suggest these kind of things. I think that

1282
01:03:44,533 --> 01:03:51,653
Speaker 2: it's it's like, if the other crossing is worth doing,

1283
01:03:52,653 --> 01:03:56,573
Speaker 2: then toll that and it will pay for itself. Because

1284
01:03:56,573 --> 01:03:58,653
Speaker 2: if there's an advantage for people using it, it's just

1285
01:03:58,693 --> 01:04:01,333
Speaker 2: like any other business situation. So if it's so great,

1286
01:04:01,333 --> 01:04:03,333
Speaker 2: people will be happy to pay for it. But if

1287
01:04:03,333 --> 01:04:05,293
Speaker 2: it's not great, then people will use the other bridge.

1288
01:04:05,413 --> 01:04:08,773
Speaker 3: Exactly. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the numbered

1289
01:04:08,773 --> 01:04:11,053
Speaker 3: a call. So if we have to charge people to

1290
01:04:11,133 --> 01:04:13,613
Speaker 3: use the Harbor Bridge and we maybe can't afford it

1291
01:04:13,653 --> 01:04:16,933
Speaker 3: according to the Infrastructure Commission, I mean, do we really

1292
01:04:16,973 --> 01:04:19,013
Speaker 3: need the bridge or are they going to make it

1293
01:04:19,053 --> 01:04:21,253
Speaker 3: so kick ass that people will be happy to pay

1294
01:04:21,533 --> 01:04:22,693
Speaker 3: that nine bucks each way?

1295
01:04:22,733 --> 01:04:24,653
Speaker 2: Well, David says, if we got to the point where

1296
01:04:24,693 --> 01:04:28,133
Speaker 2: we're even thinking about adding a tollback onto the Harbor Bridge,

1297
01:04:28,173 --> 01:04:31,373
Speaker 2: then it's time to get real serious about just what

1298
01:04:31,493 --> 01:04:33,733
Speaker 2: other things we're funding. How would the rest of New

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Speaker 2: Zealand feel about getting a toll to use their local

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Speaker 2: road that's currently sealed and bridged courtesy of the tax

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Speaker 2: player for a handful of traffic it serves each day.

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Speaker 2: The Harbor Bridge is a key part of New Zealand's growth.

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Speaker 2: If they told the old one, then I'm calling for

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Speaker 2: a local tax revolt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. That is

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Speaker 3: the feeling a lot of people coming through.

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Speaker 2: New Clowns says this text, John, The bridge and Intender

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Speaker 2: Bridge are not competitive businesses. One is a dangerously aged,

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Speaker 2: potential catastrophe piece of infrastructure, catastrophic piece of infrastructure. The

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Speaker 2: other is replacement, not a compliment. The proposal of a

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Speaker 2: nine to the toll will never fly. Clowns make me smile,

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Speaker 2: even laugh. Thank you for this shows laugh. Okay, John,

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Speaker 2: will you sound insane at the end of it, but

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Speaker 2: we do also appreciate your text.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're glad you've got to laugh out of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they're not talking about decommissioning the bridge though, No,

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01:05:24,093 --> 01:05:26,293
Speaker 2: they're they're talking about having two.

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Speaker 3: Courages yep or crossings yep, and doing the double toll

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Speaker 3: to try and pay for this new fancy bridge that

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Speaker 3: hope wow, maybe not hopefully, will it happen in the future.

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Speaker 2: But I think so one is a dangerously aged, potentially

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Speaker 2: catastrophic piece of infrastructure. The other is a replacement. No,

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Speaker 2: they're not saying that. You're not saying that it's a replacement.

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Speaker 2: They're saying it's additional to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you say though, Oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two

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Speaker 3: ninety two is the text? It is nineteen to three.

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Speaker 1: The Fresh Take on Talkback Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons with Skoda. Please go to codes every day as

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Speaker 1: scoder dot co dot NZ head have your say on

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Youth Talks b.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, due sixteen to three. So we're talking about

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Speaker 3: US congestion. In the National Infrastructure Plan release yesterday that

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Speaker 3: the Infrastructure Commission suggested a nine dollar told across the

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Speaker 3: Harbor Bridge. This is an addition to tolling the long

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Speaker 3: awaited White a Matar Harbor crossing. So if we have

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Speaker 3: to charge people to use the Harbor Bridge because we

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Speaker 3: can't afford the new one, do we actually need that

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Speaker 3: new bridge?

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Speaker 2: The six is are you insane? It's got nothing to

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01:06:28,333 --> 01:06:30,053
Speaker 2: do with Netflix. Oh no, I was just using that

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Speaker 2: as analogy. It's like Netflix, the free trail is ended

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01:06:33,373 --> 01:06:37,333
Speaker 2: as all. I was saying. Yeah, so you've charged a

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Speaker 2: toll up into nineteen eighty four, and then you stopped

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Speaker 2: for thirty nine years and forty years, and you do

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Speaker 2: it again. You can't do that. No, the tolling's over.

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Speaker 3: That's a double dipping, maybe even a triple dipping. There's

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Speaker 3: a few people asking why are nine dollars this text

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01:06:50,893 --> 01:06:52,533
Speaker 3: here here? Yeah, get our guys, how did they come

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Speaker 3: up with a nine dollar figure? Well, the information is

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Speaker 3: actually in the document, so back when it was told

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01:06:59,573 --> 01:07:03,253
Speaker 3: back in nineteen to fifty nine, it was two shillings

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01:07:03,293 --> 01:07:06,573
Speaker 3: and sixpence, so taking into a can inflation, that is

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01:07:06,693 --> 01:07:08,893
Speaker 3: nine bucks in today's dollars. So they kind of want

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Speaker 3: to have it the same as it was back in

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Speaker 3: nineteen fifty nine. But whether that's fair or not, I

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01:07:12,693 --> 01:07:14,813
Speaker 3: mean that it's the question. Oh, one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: The cenxuses toll the crap out of the Auckland Bridge.

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Speaker 2: You want to live there and drive over the bridge

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Speaker 2: all day.

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Speaker 3: Long, suck it up, get in thereby, Well, you.

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Speaker 2: Can say that about anything, can't you. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you want to drive down your street, suck it up,

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Speaker 2: toll all of it. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 13: Gooday, hands the growing guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good mate? What do you reckon?

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Speaker 14: Okay?

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Speaker 13: I want you, I want you to step back and

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Speaker 13: each you look at this. If you live on the

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Speaker 13: North Shore, do you have access to a train?

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Speaker 3: Good question? I imagine no you don't, do you?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: What train?

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Speaker 13: So nixt So this year the council is going to

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Speaker 13: increase the rates for everyone.

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Speaker 12: In Auckland.

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Speaker 13: For train that you're not going to use because of

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Speaker 13: the of the central et cetera. So it seems like

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Speaker 13: a bit of a bit of a double up here. Secondly,

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Speaker 13: when you're caravel North, you've got to go for a

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Speaker 13: toll to go for Tonson's tunnel creek. Now that that

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Speaker 13: tunnels are a lot smaller than the big one of the

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Speaker 13: built around by the airport. So if you're going to

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Speaker 13: have a discussion on tolls, then let's start tolling that

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Speaker 13: tunnel as well, because obviously that takes congestion, and then

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Speaker 13: reduce the toll on the bridge. Let's have a balanced

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Speaker 13: discussion around it because I think looking at something in

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Speaker 13: isolation as a poor view.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. So you're talking about the City rail

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Speaker 2: Link for example, and.

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Speaker 3: The City rail Link.

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Speaker 13: Everyone in the north Shore it's going to get it

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Speaker 13: has to pay pay for something they're not using creek.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only that, Like so this it's cost

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Speaker 2: an insane amount to build it, right, roughly pushing six

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. But then just to run it, even if

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Speaker 2: everything's going perfectly, it's over two hundred million dollars a

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Speaker 2: year just to run the thing. That's crazy.

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Speaker 13: So if you want to have a balance view, then okay,

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01:09:08,532 --> 01:09:11,933
Speaker 13: maybe workand Council. You don't put the rates up on

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Speaker 13: the north Shore nine percent. You take a toll on

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Speaker 13: the bridge instead, and it doesn't Let's be honest. You

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01:09:17,812 --> 01:09:20,612
Speaker 13: know politicians, you know, once they see the money, you

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01:09:20,652 --> 01:09:23,412
Speaker 13: know they're's going to go for it. So if we're

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Speaker 13: going to have discussion on tolls, let's toll the tunnel

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Speaker 13: tunnel that goes out from the northwest out of the airport.

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Speaker 2: What have you tunnel because that's a beautiful tunnel, a

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Speaker 2: beautiful piece of.

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Speaker 3: Instructure it is. Yeah, and that's a fair points.

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Speaker 13: Present because it's the biggest piece of infrastructure we've ever had.

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Speaker 13: Why was it never told in the beginning?

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Speaker 12: I don't understand that, but.

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Speaker 2: I think I think part of the problem now is

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Speaker 2: that at one point we were in a position as

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Speaker 2: a country to potentially borrow for infrastructure projects. But due

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Speaker 2: to the that what happened around the expenditure around COVID

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Speaker 2: and just afterwards, we are no longer in a position

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Speaker 2: where we can borrow for productivity. Really, I think that's

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Speaker 2: kind of where we're at right.

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Speaker 13: Yes, and and and we've got this amazing motorways that

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Speaker 13: are coming up. And if we're gonna have a truthful conversation,

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Speaker 13: you know that a massive expressway there's been felt for

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Speaker 13: the White Shadow. Why shouldn't that be told as well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just thinking about this, if the if the city

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Speaker 2: rail link is so awesome and so convenient for people,

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Speaker 2: why don't they charge fears such that it they don't

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Speaker 2: have to spend two hundred million dollars a year running it?

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Speaker 2: I mean that it should have the if you're running

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Speaker 2: a train, then the cost of running it is in

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Speaker 2: the tickets that you sell.

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Speaker 3: Right, that would make sense. And if you and to

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01:10:40,333 --> 01:10:41,173
Speaker 3: know you're.

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Speaker 2: Looking at charging people to use a bridge that's already

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Speaker 2: been charged for and already been paid for. Then you

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Speaker 2: know what, what would the take be interesting to see

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Speaker 2: if you actually work that out, what the fear on

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Speaker 2: to use the city rail link would be? Yeah, would

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01:10:55,692 --> 01:10:57,133
Speaker 2: it be to get into town?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 13: Then that's thinking about it like this as well. Say

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01:11:00,692 --> 01:11:02,612
Speaker 13: you're taking the bus from the north Shore because you've

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01:11:02,612 --> 01:11:04,692
Speaker 13: got the bus in there with the council, then have

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Speaker 13: to put up the price of the bus to offset

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01:11:07,652 --> 01:11:11,893
Speaker 13: the toll for the US going over the bridge. Yeah,

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01:11:12,013 --> 01:11:13,532
Speaker 13: where does the star? Where does the stop?

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Speaker 12: I mean?

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01:11:14,173 --> 01:11:16,053
Speaker 3: But to me, to me, it's an argument about the

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01:11:16,133 --> 01:11:18,812
Speaker 3: user pays system, And I'll bring in the congestion charges

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01:11:18,812 --> 01:11:20,692
Speaker 3: because it was part of this plan, right, This congestion

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01:11:20,853 --> 01:11:23,372
Speaker 3: charging has been floated and it's likely coming in. So

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01:11:23,492 --> 01:11:26,732
Speaker 3: is that a fear way for a user pays system

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01:11:26,772 --> 01:11:30,333
Speaker 3: that you target people going into work and out of

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01:11:30,452 --> 01:11:32,732
Speaker 3: work and they're going to a place where they're going

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01:11:32,772 --> 01:11:35,572
Speaker 3: to earn money to keep the economy running versus the

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Speaker 3: idea of I mean, people are pissed off about nine

1457
01:11:38,213 --> 01:11:40,892
Speaker 3: bucks on the Harbour Bridge, fair enough, but how do

1458
01:11:40,933 --> 01:11:42,892
Speaker 3: we do it? What's a fair way to do it

1459
01:11:42,933 --> 01:11:45,572
Speaker 3: is it under the ruck system that that goes up

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01:11:45,612 --> 01:11:49,492
Speaker 3: slightly so that everybody pays an equal share, because arguably

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Speaker 3: someone from Gore might use the Harbor bridge one day.

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01:11:51,933 --> 01:11:54,612
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a complex way on how to pay

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01:11:54,612 --> 01:11:56,772
Speaker 3: for it then, unless the other option is you say,

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Speaker 3: no new Harbor Bridge. Bugger it, we can't afford it.

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01:11:59,213 --> 01:12:00,252
Speaker 3: No new Harbor Bridge.

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01:12:00,933 --> 01:12:01,772
Speaker 12: Yeah, but we're moving.

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Speaker 13: Remember this government's already signaled that next year that they

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Speaker 13: or the next year that they remember and then call

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Speaker 13: back on every vehicle the travels around New Zealand. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: so then we're I think, of course, of course just

1471
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Speaker 13: or something. The thing since so we are moving to

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Speaker 13: use the pay, which will happen within the next cycle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Part but the thing is we all we

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01:12:27,652 --> 01:12:29,492
Speaker 2: all already use the pay to live in the country

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01:12:29,532 --> 01:12:33,013
Speaker 2: because we're charged insane amount of Texas. Yes, that's my

1476
01:12:33,053 --> 01:12:36,093
Speaker 2: only problem with user pays. We're already being charged. But

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Speaker 2: so would you be all right if there was another

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01:12:37,933 --> 01:12:43,412
Speaker 2: crossing and and that had a toll on it? So

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01:12:43,452 --> 01:12:45,452
Speaker 2: they built a new crossing and there was a toll

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01:12:45,652 --> 01:12:47,133
Speaker 2: on that one, would you be okay with that? Then?

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Speaker 19: Well?

1482
01:12:49,853 --> 01:12:51,372
Speaker 13: Yeah, but I mean we're gonna have to talk about

1483
01:12:51,652 --> 01:12:55,852
Speaker 13: tolls and about future planning. What about the eastern Eastern

1484
01:12:55,893 --> 01:12:58,532
Speaker 13: bus route that's just been put in, all those houses

1485
01:12:58,532 --> 01:13:02,133
Speaker 13: that have been taken out in East et cetera. But

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01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:03,932
Speaker 13: the road, why isn't that being topped?

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01:13:05,333 --> 01:13:07,652
Speaker 2: And why don't you set why don't you set the

1488
01:13:07,732 --> 01:13:10,133
Speaker 2: bus fairs? Why don't you see the bus fares at

1489
01:13:10,652 --> 01:13:12,932
Speaker 2: a level that pays for the buses.

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01:13:13,893 --> 01:13:16,692
Speaker 14: You know, we were to use those roads.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just saying that it just

1492
01:13:20,213 --> 01:13:23,932
Speaker 13: seems to be the bridge sing to be an easy target. Yeah,

1493
01:13:24,133 --> 01:13:27,093
Speaker 13: we know that Auckland was not developed properly. We know

1494
01:13:27,133 --> 01:13:29,492
Speaker 13: what's a Doug My sid in the fifties and we're

1495
01:13:29,532 --> 01:13:32,973
Speaker 13: playing ketch up and playing ketchup costs us money. We

1496
01:13:33,053 --> 01:13:36,293
Speaker 13: know that there was one hundred and fifty million it's

1497
01:13:36,372 --> 01:13:38,732
Speaker 13: been on a train set that that never happened, and

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01:13:38,772 --> 01:13:43,412
Speaker 13: all that land out West Ork and whatever, every Dominion

1499
01:13:43,492 --> 01:13:45,933
Speaker 13: road and Subspreme boredom, whatever it's happening with that, we

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Speaker 13: don't know. But the reality has been a lot of

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01:13:48,133 --> 01:13:50,772
Speaker 13: projects in Auckland that have already been done, that have

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01:13:50,893 --> 01:13:55,013
Speaker 13: been funded, that has not been told yet yet they

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01:13:55,093 --> 01:13:57,532
Speaker 13: want to told this one particular piece. So why should

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01:13:57,692 --> 01:14:02,013
Speaker 13: people in the north Shore we shouldn't cur that where

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01:14:02,013 --> 01:14:05,253
Speaker 13: everyone else is getting benefit around the rest of Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you make some great points, Lenn, Thank you very much.

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01:14:07,772 --> 01:14:09,932
Speaker 3: Ken on your it's eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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01:14:10,213 --> 01:14:12,812
Speaker 3: It is totaling the fairest way to pay for the

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01:14:12,853 --> 01:14:16,173
Speaker 3: new things like the new Harbor bridge or you know

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01:14:16,213 --> 01:14:17,972
Speaker 3: what is a fair way? If you want a bridge,

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01:14:18,053 --> 01:14:19,133
Speaker 3: how are we going to pay for it? If you

1512
01:14:19,173 --> 01:14:21,932
Speaker 3: don't like paying for extra infrastructure, then you just say,

1513
01:14:21,933 --> 01:14:24,133
Speaker 3: bugger the new bridge. We're happy with this old recordy one.

1514
01:14:24,213 --> 01:14:26,973
Speaker 3: And if it's a bit wendy, we close it down. Wow, No,

1515
01:14:27,093 --> 01:14:29,333
Speaker 3: we need to we need to change that parameter. They'll

1516
01:14:29,372 --> 01:14:33,333
Speaker 3: close it down. Just don't get me started on that one.

1517
01:14:33,452 --> 01:14:35,053
Speaker 3: Right back in eight to three.

1518
01:14:35,692 --> 01:14:38,053
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1519
01:14:38,173 --> 01:14:41,812
Speaker 1: along the way, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons News.

1520
01:14:41,692 --> 01:14:45,732
Speaker 3: TALKS'B news Talks there B five to three.

1521
01:14:46,253 --> 01:14:48,972
Speaker 1: Are you ready to crack the scoder code?

1522
01:14:49,213 --> 01:14:50,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, here we go. If you've been to the Scota

1523
01:14:50,933 --> 01:14:54,053
Speaker 3: website for today's Scoda code but needs some help, here

1524
01:14:54,213 --> 01:14:55,532
Speaker 3: is your clue.

1525
01:14:55,412 --> 01:14:59,452
Speaker 2: In the Tour defauns is the position. It's the position

1526
01:14:59,572 --> 01:15:02,412
Speaker 2: every competitor aims for in the toward deforms. It's the

1527
01:15:02,412 --> 01:15:04,692
Speaker 2: position every competitor aims for.

1528
01:15:05,093 --> 01:15:08,012
Speaker 3: Beautiful pronunciation, make sure you're in to win a trip

1529
01:15:08,053 --> 01:15:11,333
Speaker 3: for two to the Tour de France at scoter dot

1530
01:15:11,372 --> 01:15:15,052
Speaker 3: co dot in z. That is Scoter dot co dot

1531
01:15:15,093 --> 01:15:17,972
Speaker 3: in z. It is a fantastic prize, so make sure

1532
01:15:17,973 --> 01:15:20,692
Speaker 3: you get in to win, right. Some plenty of texts

1533
01:15:20,692 --> 01:15:24,093
Speaker 3: coming through about this proposal to toll the Harbor Bridge

1534
01:15:24,093 --> 01:15:25,132
Speaker 3: at nine bucks a pop.

1535
01:15:25,933 --> 01:15:28,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, charge people fifty dollars a ride on the buses,

1536
01:15:28,893 --> 01:15:32,253
Speaker 2: so the buses pay for themselves. Okay, that's interesting. We've

1537
01:15:32,253 --> 01:15:33,732
Speaker 2: got a lot of texts coming through, a lot of

1538
01:15:33,732 --> 01:15:36,093
Speaker 2: cours coming through in our one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1539
01:15:36,213 --> 01:15:38,892
Speaker 2: So we'll continue on with this after three, shall we. Yeah,

1540
01:15:38,933 --> 01:15:41,412
Speaker 2: absolutely really keen to hear your thoughts. So if we

1541
01:15:41,532 --> 01:15:44,213
Speaker 2: have to toll for new infrastructure and new roads and

1542
01:15:44,253 --> 01:15:46,932
Speaker 2: new bridges, do we have to accept that maybe we

1543
01:15:46,973 --> 01:15:49,013
Speaker 2: can't afford these things. Love to get your thoughts on that.

1544
01:15:49,093 --> 01:15:51,293
Speaker 3: Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty nine to nine

1545
01:15:51,372 --> 01:15:54,012
Speaker 3: two New Sport and we're a fast approaching. You're listening

1546
01:15:54,053 --> 01:15:55,692
Speaker 3: to Matt and Tyler. Have you ha been a pretty

1547
01:15:55,692 --> 01:15:56,253
Speaker 3: good afternoon?

1548
01:15:56,293 --> 01:15:58,732
Speaker 2: The bridge is sweet as just harden up and you know,

1549
01:15:59,053 --> 01:16:02,612
Speaker 2: put on the radio and bring you bring your parents

1550
01:16:02,652 --> 01:16:03,532
Speaker 2: when you're on the bridge.

1551
01:16:03,532 --> 01:16:09,293
Speaker 3: It's fine.

1552
01:16:11,492 --> 01:16:15,173
Speaker 1: Your home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matt Heath

1553
01:16:15,213 --> 01:16:18,652
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons with Skoda on News Talk.

1554
01:16:18,692 --> 01:16:22,453
Speaker 3: There be seven past three. So we're continuing our discussion

1555
01:16:22,492 --> 01:16:25,412
Speaker 3: about the suggestion and the release of the National Infrastructure

1556
01:16:25,412 --> 01:16:27,692
Speaker 3: Plan yesterday of a nine dollar toll to cross the

1557
01:16:27,772 --> 01:16:31,093
Speaker 3: existing Harbor Bridge. That would be an addition addition rather

1558
01:16:31,213 --> 01:16:34,452
Speaker 3: to tolling the long awaited White to Matar Harbor crossing.

1559
01:16:34,893 --> 01:16:36,972
Speaker 3: So the question we'll go for you is if funding

1560
01:16:36,973 --> 01:16:39,532
Speaker 3: new roads and bridges depends on those tolls, are we

1561
01:16:39,532 --> 01:16:41,693
Speaker 3: acknowledging that beyond our means financially?

1562
01:16:42,253 --> 01:16:44,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you think another crossing. You look at

1563
01:16:44,652 --> 01:16:47,053
Speaker 2: the City Rail Link, which we're talking about before. So

1564
01:16:47,173 --> 01:16:50,293
Speaker 2: it's you know, people would say more or less, but

1565
01:16:50,652 --> 01:16:52,892
Speaker 2: I think everyone agree it's gone at least two billion

1566
01:16:52,933 --> 01:16:55,532
Speaker 2: over budget, right yep. Two billion is a lot the

1567
01:16:55,532 --> 01:16:57,532
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of money. Can you imagine how

1568
01:16:57,612 --> 01:17:02,092
Speaker 2: much over budget, A another harbor crossing would go oh god,

1569
01:17:02,692 --> 01:17:06,852
Speaker 2: so you're you're tolling the bridge for something that a

1570
01:17:07,293 --> 01:17:10,452
Speaker 2: may never get finished because unbelievably, the City rail Link

1571
01:17:10,492 --> 01:17:12,892
Speaker 2: is still not finished. So I mean, how long would

1572
01:17:12,893 --> 01:17:16,372
Speaker 2: it take to plan and build this other bridge. You'd

1573
01:17:16,412 --> 01:17:20,692
Speaker 2: be tolling the Harbor Bridge forever and people would never

1574
01:17:20,732 --> 01:17:22,892
Speaker 2: see it. The people that are getting told would never

1575
01:17:22,893 --> 01:17:25,213
Speaker 2: get to go across the other bridge before that one

1576
01:17:25,253 --> 01:17:26,372
Speaker 2: starts getting told, right.

1577
01:17:26,412 --> 01:17:29,492
Speaker 3: It is terrifying. I can't think of a single infrastructure project,

1578
01:17:29,572 --> 01:17:32,932
Speaker 3: massive infrastructure project that has come within budget. You know,

1579
01:17:33,133 --> 01:17:35,492
Speaker 3: there's a few cases, I mean the Qui Quarter repair,

1580
01:17:35,652 --> 01:17:39,013
Speaker 3: but in terms of the big shiny new roads or bridges,

1581
01:17:39,412 --> 01:17:42,492
Speaker 3: they've always massively overblown massively.

1582
01:17:42,492 --> 01:17:42,732
Speaker 4: You know.

1583
01:17:42,812 --> 01:17:44,412
Speaker 2: I mean you look at the City rail links. So

1584
01:17:44,492 --> 01:17:46,372
Speaker 2: it's going to cost two hundred and thirty five million,

1585
01:17:46,412 --> 01:17:48,173
Speaker 2: between two hundred and twenty and two hundred and thirty

1586
01:17:48,213 --> 01:17:51,093
Speaker 2: five million dollars to run it once it's started, right,

1587
01:17:51,612 --> 01:17:54,412
Speaker 2: So there's there's all kinds of you know, once you've

1588
01:17:54,973 --> 01:17:57,532
Speaker 2: once you finish a project that still cost a lot

1589
01:17:57,532 --> 01:17:59,412
Speaker 2: to run. What I can't understand with that? And this

1590
01:17:59,452 --> 01:18:02,092
Speaker 2: is slightly off topic, would have just sprang into my mind.

1591
01:18:02,412 --> 01:18:05,652
Speaker 2: Isn't that only about one hundred and fifty dollars each one?

1592
01:18:05,772 --> 01:18:08,612
Speaker 2: It's a lot, but one hundred and fifty dollars per

1593
01:18:08,692 --> 01:18:12,652
Speaker 2: person in Auckland, you know, not per rate payer, yes,

1594
01:18:12,732 --> 01:18:13,692
Speaker 2: much more per rate power.

1595
01:18:13,732 --> 01:18:15,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's insane amount of money, it is.

1596
01:18:17,213 --> 01:18:20,133
Speaker 2: Why is it? Why Why aren't they charging more for

1597
01:18:20,213 --> 01:18:23,013
Speaker 2: the tickets on the City rail Link, So you'd have

1598
01:18:23,053 --> 01:18:25,532
Speaker 2: to you need to charge the amount that covers that

1599
01:18:25,612 --> 01:18:27,452
Speaker 2: two hundred and at least the two and thirty five

1600
01:18:27,452 --> 01:18:30,092
Speaker 2: million dollars a year it takes to run the trains

1601
01:18:30,133 --> 01:18:30,972
Speaker 2: or else. What are you doing?

1602
01:18:31,093 --> 01:18:33,492
Speaker 3: You think so, because that's subsidizing it, right yeah.

1603
01:18:33,812 --> 01:18:36,733
Speaker 2: And that's and people say, well maybe people are subsidizing

1604
01:18:36,732 --> 01:18:37,372
Speaker 2: the bridge.

1605
01:18:37,173 --> 01:18:39,093
Speaker 3: Right yeah.

1606
01:18:39,173 --> 01:18:41,092
Speaker 2: So but if you if you start tolling the bridge

1607
01:18:41,173 --> 01:18:44,133
Speaker 2: at at nine the dollars, then you have to start

1608
01:18:44,213 --> 01:18:47,293
Speaker 2: charging what it costs to run the city rail Link,

1609
01:18:47,333 --> 01:18:49,093
Speaker 2: and you have to start charging what it costs to

1610
01:18:49,133 --> 01:18:51,732
Speaker 2: run buses. Yeah, you know, you have to start charging

1611
01:18:51,732 --> 01:18:52,333
Speaker 2: the passengers.

1612
01:18:52,372 --> 01:18:54,973
Speaker 3: Right, So forty bucks to go from Mounting into Newmarket

1613
01:18:55,652 --> 01:18:57,293
Speaker 3: I be a bit steep, but it makes logical sense.

1614
01:18:57,412 --> 01:19:00,372
Speaker 3: Otherwise you're just going backwards all the time. Yeah, Bob,

1615
01:19:00,532 --> 01:19:02,052
Speaker 3: how are you good?

1616
01:19:02,093 --> 01:19:02,652
Speaker 7: Thank you good?

1617
01:19:02,692 --> 01:19:02,892
Speaker 4: Good.

1618
01:19:03,772 --> 01:19:06,732
Speaker 7: I drive a diesel, so I'm paying road user charges anyway.

1619
01:19:07,213 --> 01:19:10,213
Speaker 7: But why the hell of the motorists getting but hey

1620
01:19:10,253 --> 01:19:12,812
Speaker 7: picked on? What about all these cycle ways and you've

1621
01:19:12,812 --> 01:19:15,853
Speaker 7: got all these people on pushbikes. They're getting these multimillion

1622
01:19:15,933 --> 01:19:19,093
Speaker 7: dollar cycle ways built for them for nothing. So I

1623
01:19:19,133 --> 01:19:22,092
Speaker 7: feel what should happen is anybody over there just seventeen

1624
01:19:22,173 --> 01:19:27,652
Speaker 7: riding a pushbike. Their pushbikes should be registered and they

1625
01:19:27,692 --> 01:19:29,732
Speaker 7: should help pay for all this because they're just getting

1626
01:19:29,732 --> 01:19:30,253
Speaker 7: a free ride.

1627
01:19:30,452 --> 01:19:32,572
Speaker 2: You know, I know why this, as Bob. It's because

1628
01:19:33,173 --> 01:19:35,772
Speaker 2: the people in charge have decided that it's morally wrong

1629
01:19:35,853 --> 01:19:40,133
Speaker 2: to be driving any kind of combustion engine vehicle, and

1630
01:19:40,173 --> 01:19:43,092
Speaker 2: it's morally right to be on a bicycle, a train,

1631
01:19:43,333 --> 01:19:45,612
Speaker 2: or a bus. Those are the decisions, even though buses

1632
01:19:45,652 --> 01:19:48,412
Speaker 2: are a lot of them are powered by diesel. But

1633
01:19:49,013 --> 01:19:51,932
Speaker 2: that's that's why it is because someone.

1634
01:19:51,652 --> 01:19:53,452
Speaker 7: You're a greenie, you see, you're greeny.

1635
01:19:53,492 --> 01:19:55,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they've made that decision without talking to us.

1636
01:19:55,532 --> 01:19:57,973
Speaker 2: They've said that that all their decisions are going to

1637
01:19:58,013 --> 01:20:00,213
Speaker 2: be based on the idea that it's morally wrong to

1638
01:20:00,213 --> 01:20:01,612
Speaker 2: be in a car and it's morally right to be

1639
01:20:01,652 --> 01:20:03,652
Speaker 2: on a bike. That's at the basis of it.

1640
01:20:04,253 --> 01:20:06,812
Speaker 7: I mean, it costs what three hundred and sixty million

1641
01:20:06,893 --> 01:20:09,933
Speaker 7: dollars to build a cycle way that goes from Wellington

1642
01:20:09,973 --> 01:20:13,333
Speaker 7: to for Tony. I mean that's all. And then there's

1643
01:20:13,333 --> 01:20:15,892
Speaker 7: another cycle away they're building this that's around Eastbourne Mane.

1644
01:20:15,973 --> 01:20:17,852
Speaker 3: And when you would charge them to register their bike

1645
01:20:17,893 --> 01:20:20,053
Speaker 3: to pay for the three hundred and sixty million, one

1646
01:20:20,133 --> 01:20:24,813
Speaker 3: hundred dollars a year, it's pretty reasonable. I suppose registration

1647
01:20:24,933 --> 01:20:27,452
Speaker 3: on your bike so've.

1648
01:20:26,652 --> 01:20:27,213
Speaker 12: Got a plate on.

1649
01:20:27,253 --> 01:20:29,572
Speaker 7: You can also buddy knock on them when they when

1650
01:20:29,572 --> 01:20:32,293
Speaker 7: they shoot red lights and go across produced and crossings

1651
01:20:32,293 --> 01:20:32,932
Speaker 7: when they shouldn't.

1652
01:20:33,133 --> 01:20:33,852
Speaker 2: Thanks for you, cool, Bob.

1653
01:20:33,893 --> 01:20:34,093
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1654
01:20:34,093 --> 01:20:36,293
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going to tell start tolling things,

1655
01:20:36,333 --> 01:20:38,852
Speaker 2: you need to start tolling everything. You can't be picking winners.

1656
01:20:39,053 --> 01:20:39,932
Speaker 3: It's got to be consistent.

1657
01:20:39,973 --> 01:20:41,732
Speaker 2: I get that it's not really your job to tell

1658
01:20:41,772 --> 01:20:43,732
Speaker 2: us how to get round, it's to facilitate how we

1659
01:20:43,772 --> 01:20:44,412
Speaker 2: want to get round.

1660
01:20:45,093 --> 01:20:46,972
Speaker 3: But why does it keep happening? That's I mean, look,

1661
01:20:47,013 --> 01:20:50,493
Speaker 3: I know that there's a myriad of different political ideologies

1662
01:20:50,492 --> 01:20:53,172
Speaker 3: within a council, but it can't be that one sided

1663
01:20:53,412 --> 01:20:56,093
Speaker 3: that these things keep getting signed off. I mean, I

1664
01:20:56,133 --> 01:20:58,772
Speaker 3: suspect it's the staff behind the scenes. They bambooz or

1665
01:20:58,772 --> 01:21:00,812
Speaker 3: a lot of the councilors to say this is needed

1666
01:21:00,853 --> 01:21:02,412
Speaker 3: and if you don't do it now, the people want

1667
01:21:02,452 --> 01:21:04,572
Speaker 3: this and it's got to be done today. So they

1668
01:21:04,612 --> 01:21:07,333
Speaker 3: sign it off and then they realize down the track cheapest,

1669
01:21:07,372 --> 01:21:10,213
Speaker 3: that's three hundred million, we've got a stuffed wastewater system.

1670
01:21:10,412 --> 01:21:10,652
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1671
01:21:10,732 --> 01:21:14,012
Speaker 2: Well, how many people vote in local body elections Tyler?

1672
01:21:14,173 --> 01:21:15,253
Speaker 3: About thirty percent.

1673
01:21:15,532 --> 01:21:19,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's why you get a lot of muppets. Yeah, hey, guys,

1674
01:21:19,253 --> 01:21:21,892
Speaker 2: there should be no toll. Auckland road users already pay

1675
01:21:21,933 --> 01:21:24,732
Speaker 2: over five billion on fuel taxes, an Auckland Transport only

1676
01:21:24,772 --> 01:21:27,053
Speaker 2: spends about a fifth of that on capital work. So

1677
01:21:27,093 --> 01:21:29,492
Speaker 2: while we subsidize the rest of the country, we're expected

1678
01:21:29,492 --> 01:21:34,253
Speaker 2: to pay a users charge for a bridge toll. I

1679
01:21:34,253 --> 01:21:36,732
Speaker 2: don't think that they surely they can't bring this in.

1680
01:21:36,812 --> 01:21:38,852
Speaker 2: It would be two you know, it's just a suggestion

1681
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:43,452
Speaker 2: at this point, but they are seriously talking about congestion charges.

1682
01:21:43,532 --> 01:21:45,412
Speaker 3: They are yep, that was part of the plan, and

1683
01:21:45,452 --> 01:21:48,572
Speaker 3: I think Bush Chris Bishop, obviously the minister in charge.

1684
01:21:48,692 --> 01:21:51,532
Speaker 3: He may repeat references that it will blow your mind

1685
01:21:51,692 --> 01:21:54,572
Speaker 3: how far behind we are in terms of the money

1686
01:21:54,612 --> 01:21:56,972
Speaker 3: we need for the infrastructure we've got planned.

1687
01:21:57,013 --> 01:21:59,452
Speaker 2: But every time you take money, so you say, well,

1688
01:21:59,492 --> 01:22:01,492
Speaker 2: we need to get this money with congestion charges, or

1689
01:22:01,492 --> 01:22:03,213
Speaker 2: we need to get this money with the toll, that

1690
01:22:03,293 --> 01:22:05,572
Speaker 2: money comes out of the economy. It's money that people

1691
01:22:05,572 --> 01:22:07,732
Speaker 2: can't spend on something else. So it's not like it

1692
01:22:07,893 --> 01:22:12,053
Speaker 2: just money. It means that that much gets taken out

1693
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:12,732
Speaker 2: of the system.

1694
01:22:12,812 --> 01:22:16,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, which brings us back to if we can't afford it,

1695
01:22:16,853 --> 01:22:19,092
Speaker 3: why are we even talking about a second harbor bridge.

1696
01:22:19,133 --> 01:22:20,772
Speaker 3: I know people like the idea of it, but if

1697
01:22:20,772 --> 01:22:21,932
Speaker 3: we can't afford it, just.

1698
01:22:21,853 --> 01:22:23,972
Speaker 2: Say, nah, that's all right, Yeah, it's all right. It's

1699
01:22:24,013 --> 01:22:24,812
Speaker 2: not so bad, is it.

1700
01:22:24,933 --> 01:22:25,133
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1701
01:22:25,213 --> 01:22:26,932
Speaker 2: If you live on the North Shore, is it that bad?

1702
01:22:27,093 --> 01:22:28,812
Speaker 2: Is it that bad coming into work in the morning.

1703
01:22:28,853 --> 01:22:32,852
Speaker 2: It's only I mean it's not all day. It's there's

1704
01:22:32,893 --> 01:22:34,293
Speaker 2: times of the day when it's busy, in times the

1705
01:22:34,333 --> 01:22:34,892
Speaker 2: day when it's not.

1706
01:22:34,933 --> 01:22:36,772
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

1707
01:22:36,772 --> 01:22:37,973
Speaker 3: to call. I love to hear your thoughts. If you

1708
01:22:38,013 --> 01:22:40,372
Speaker 3: are on the shore nine two ninety two is a

1709
01:22:40,452 --> 01:22:41,173
Speaker 3: text as well.

1710
01:22:41,293 --> 01:22:43,852
Speaker 2: If you can't afford nice things, you can't have nice things.

1711
01:22:43,893 --> 01:22:47,452
Speaker 3: Back in the mo news talks it'd be sixteen past three.

1712
01:22:47,812 --> 01:22:49,532
Speaker 2: Few texts on this. As much as I like you guys.

1713
01:22:49,572 --> 01:22:52,012
Speaker 2: The idea that paying a little extra and user charges

1714
01:22:52,093 --> 01:22:54,732
Speaker 2: for essential infrastructure with the excuse of not having the

1715
01:22:54,772 --> 01:22:57,812
Speaker 2: money for it is small minded thinking. His price is

1716
01:22:57,933 --> 01:23:00,372
Speaker 2: precisely this way of thinking that has held the country

1717
01:23:00,412 --> 01:23:02,572
Speaker 2: back and is what drives so many key we to leave.

1718
01:23:02,732 --> 01:23:05,492
Speaker 2: The only thing that we can we truly cannot afford,

1719
01:23:05,572 --> 01:23:08,532
Speaker 2: is this mindset and ideology that suggests we should not

1720
01:23:08,692 --> 01:23:11,772
Speaker 2: or cannot do important things because we're supposedly too small,

1721
01:23:12,093 --> 01:23:17,333
Speaker 2: too poor, or limited by similar excuses. Yeah, well, okay,

1722
01:23:17,333 --> 01:23:21,572
Speaker 2: that's cool. Well, then toll everything everything new as our

1723
01:23:21,572 --> 01:23:26,492
Speaker 2: Texas e before toll new cycle lanes, the city rail link.

1724
01:23:26,652 --> 01:23:31,772
Speaker 2: Then charge tickets that cover it's completely, cover all it's

1725
01:23:31,853 --> 01:23:35,452
Speaker 2: upkeep and everything completely, playgrounds and pay off. It's how

1726
01:23:35,492 --> 01:23:37,492
Speaker 2: much it costs to build it, the five billion it

1727
01:23:37,532 --> 01:23:39,853
Speaker 2: cost to build it, So that needs to be incorporated

1728
01:23:39,893 --> 01:23:41,972
Speaker 2: in because that's a similar thing, isn't it the tickets

1729
01:23:42,013 --> 01:23:44,452
Speaker 2: to get on the trains as similar as a toll.

1730
01:23:44,772 --> 01:23:47,412
Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe just just toll everything. Just you got

1731
01:23:47,412 --> 01:23:49,013
Speaker 2: to do it equally if you're going to if you're

1732
01:23:49,013 --> 01:23:50,892
Speaker 2: going to do it at all. This text is interesting.

1733
01:23:50,933 --> 01:23:53,013
Speaker 2: It makes me laugh that you think that you have

1734
01:23:53,093 --> 01:23:58,172
Speaker 2: congestion in New Zealand travel overseas. Your congestion is nothing.

1735
01:23:58,293 --> 01:24:01,532
Speaker 2: Bankrupting yourselves for another crossing is crazy. You don't need it.

1736
01:24:02,013 --> 01:24:05,452
Speaker 2: You are a depressingly quiet country. You should be ashamed

1737
01:24:05,492 --> 01:24:08,612
Speaker 2: how little traffic you have, not how much, how long

1738
01:24:08,652 --> 01:24:10,052
Speaker 2: this person's been in the country before.

1739
01:24:10,333 --> 01:24:12,572
Speaker 3: You should be ashamed that you don't have more congestion.

1740
01:24:12,692 --> 01:24:15,932
Speaker 3: As a great angle, I feel shamed sometimes that we're

1741
01:24:15,973 --> 01:24:16,852
Speaker 3: not a bit more congested.

1742
01:24:16,973 --> 01:24:19,692
Speaker 2: But I had a mate a university was from Malaysia,

1743
01:24:19,732 --> 01:24:21,333
Speaker 2: and he used to say to me it would say

1744
01:24:21,532 --> 01:24:23,492
Speaker 2: it was so quiet, Like he just couldn't handle how

1745
01:24:23,572 --> 01:24:26,253
Speaker 2: quiet it was, and said, there's nothing happening here. And

1746
01:24:26,293 --> 01:24:28,612
Speaker 2: you're like, you're in Auckland and we're talking about how

1747
01:24:28,652 --> 01:24:30,692
Speaker 2: busy it is and the rat race in Auckland. The

1748
01:24:30,732 --> 01:24:32,293
Speaker 2: rest of the country's going, I can't handle living there,

1749
01:24:32,293 --> 01:24:33,933
Speaker 2: and he's going, it's so quiet, I can't handle it.

1750
01:24:33,933 --> 01:24:35,692
Speaker 2: There's nothing happening, there's no no one about.

1751
01:24:35,772 --> 01:24:39,293
Speaker 3: It's basically deserted its perspective. Man, oh, one hundred and

1752
01:24:39,333 --> 01:24:41,213
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighties number to call get Elizabeth.

1753
01:24:42,412 --> 01:24:46,052
Speaker 21: Hi there boys, listen. I don't know whether you guys

1754
01:24:46,093 --> 01:24:48,972
Speaker 21: have traveled before, and I think it's already been said.

1755
01:24:49,013 --> 01:24:51,492
Speaker 21: But you go to the US, or you go to Australia,

1756
01:24:51,532 --> 01:24:55,213
Speaker 21: you go to Melbourne, Sydney, everything's told. Those tolls aren't

1757
01:24:55,253 --> 01:24:58,412
Speaker 21: coming off. And that's why they can have the infrastructure

1758
01:24:58,452 --> 01:25:01,372
Speaker 21: that they do, is that they charge everybody to use

1759
01:25:01,412 --> 01:25:04,012
Speaker 21: their roads or use their bridges. When you're in the US,

1760
01:25:04,572 --> 01:25:07,133
Speaker 21: you get onto this big bridge, you get told when

1761
01:25:07,173 --> 01:25:09,093
Speaker 21: you enter the bridge, and you get told when you

1762
01:25:09,213 --> 01:25:09,932
Speaker 21: exit the bridge.

1763
01:25:09,933 --> 01:25:12,772
Speaker 2: We've got toll roads in New Zealand, Elizabeth. We're well

1764
01:25:12,933 --> 01:25:15,293
Speaker 2: well familiar with tolls. It does. But while we're talking about,

1765
01:25:15,372 --> 01:25:18,452
Speaker 2: is tolling a bridge that exists and was told and

1766
01:25:18,452 --> 01:25:20,932
Speaker 2: then it was stopped being told for a bridge that

1767
01:25:21,053 --> 01:25:23,412
Speaker 2: doesn't exist yet, or a cross and it doesn't exist yet.

1768
01:25:23,412 --> 01:25:24,772
Speaker 2: Do you think that's a good form of tolling.

1769
01:25:26,532 --> 01:25:29,572
Speaker 21: I think I think if the if the government needs

1770
01:25:29,652 --> 01:25:34,532
Speaker 21: more money, they have to toll these these bridges again like

1771
01:25:34,772 --> 01:25:40,293
Speaker 21: towering a harbor bridge that's that's overcrowded now with cars,

1772
01:25:40,372 --> 01:25:42,133
Speaker 21: and the tolls were taken off. I don't know how

1773
01:25:42,173 --> 01:25:46,772
Speaker 21: many years ago the transmission gully that should have been told.

1774
01:25:46,853 --> 01:25:50,492
Speaker 21: That should be told now. But either are they going

1775
01:25:50,652 --> 01:25:53,492
Speaker 21: are we going to make it more infrastructure in this

1776
01:25:53,692 --> 01:25:56,892
Speaker 21: small little country on the other side of the world.

1777
01:25:57,053 --> 01:25:58,732
Speaker 2: But do you agree that there? Do you agree that

1778
01:25:58,772 --> 01:26:00,932
Speaker 2: there is a cost for that? Because people say, oh,

1779
01:26:00,973 --> 01:26:03,652
Speaker 2: we just told something and then as and then that'll

1780
01:26:03,692 --> 01:26:05,973
Speaker 2: pay for it. But if you told something, because you're

1781
01:26:05,973 --> 01:26:08,532
Speaker 2: already taxing people heavily, there's roads us to charge just

1782
01:26:08,572 --> 01:26:11,253
Speaker 2: et cetera. So you're already doing that. So if you

1783
01:26:11,293 --> 01:26:15,092
Speaker 2: add more tolls to that, that comes out of the economy.

1784
01:26:15,572 --> 01:26:18,173
Speaker 2: So that's money people can't spend somewhere else. So there

1785
01:26:18,253 --> 01:26:21,412
Speaker 2: is there is a cost for tolling for the economy that.

1786
01:26:21,492 --> 01:26:22,732
Speaker 21: Comes out of their back pocket.

1787
01:26:22,772 --> 01:26:23,372
Speaker 15: I know that.

1788
01:26:23,452 --> 01:26:25,572
Speaker 21: But that's the only way if we want to have

1789
01:26:25,692 --> 01:26:27,692
Speaker 21: really good roads in New Zealand, that's the only way

1790
01:26:27,732 --> 01:26:28,133
Speaker 21: to do it.

1791
01:26:28,372 --> 01:26:31,732
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you would you agree with tolling everything then

1792
01:26:31,812 --> 01:26:35,973
Speaker 2: like like new cycle waves toll them?

1793
01:26:36,173 --> 01:26:37,093
Speaker 17: No not?

1794
01:26:38,253 --> 01:26:40,772
Speaker 2: Why not? Why not?

1795
01:26:40,452 --> 01:26:41,932
Speaker 12: Why you can't?

1796
01:26:42,333 --> 01:26:45,532
Speaker 21: I mean, I mean, can you you want to you

1797
01:26:45,572 --> 01:26:50,173
Speaker 21: want to charge a little chips drivers.

1798
01:26:47,612 --> 01:26:50,772
Speaker 3: I have your little bucket there, set up a week.

1799
01:26:50,652 --> 01:26:57,652
Speaker 7: Kiosk transition transition.

1800
01:26:59,013 --> 01:27:01,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's a fair point.

1801
01:27:01,893 --> 01:27:03,492
Speaker 2: And I see what you're saying though, because you know,

1802
01:27:03,532 --> 01:27:05,572
Speaker 2: going up north now, there'd be very few people that

1803
01:27:05,612 --> 01:27:10,093
Speaker 2: would say that that that that toll road going up

1804
01:27:10,133 --> 01:27:13,652
Speaker 2: north from Auckland hasn't been a success because beautiful road

1805
01:27:13,732 --> 01:27:15,212
Speaker 2: and it makes things so much better.

1806
01:27:15,692 --> 01:27:19,253
Speaker 3: And more productive, right because that's a key part of

1807
01:27:19,293 --> 01:27:22,812
Speaker 3: the infrastructure for freight coming from Northland and vice versa.

1808
01:27:22,933 --> 01:27:25,253
Speaker 3: So there's actually the cost benefit analysis I think works

1809
01:27:25,293 --> 01:27:25,973
Speaker 3: out pretty well there.

1810
01:27:25,973 --> 01:27:30,012
Speaker 2: But if you're tolling people nine dollars each way across

1811
01:27:30,053 --> 01:27:32,333
Speaker 2: the Harbor Bridge that has always been already been told

1812
01:27:33,572 --> 01:27:35,972
Speaker 2: and then across the week, I mean, what is that

1813
01:27:36,013 --> 01:27:38,452
Speaker 2: eighteen dollars a day, five days a week.

1814
01:27:38,532 --> 01:27:43,852
Speaker 3: It's going to be nine dollars the Infrastructure Commission. Yeah, yeah,

1815
01:27:43,933 --> 01:27:44,852
Speaker 3: that's what they're proposed.

1816
01:27:45,812 --> 01:27:46,972
Speaker 21: What's it going to be for a truck?

1817
01:27:47,013 --> 01:27:47,133
Speaker 8: Then?

1818
01:27:47,213 --> 01:27:50,492
Speaker 21: I wonder that's really really see because it's going to

1819
01:27:50,572 --> 01:27:53,492
Speaker 21: impact on your groceries. It's going to impact on everything

1820
01:27:53,572 --> 01:27:55,092
Speaker 21: you buy buy from anywhere.

1821
01:27:55,133 --> 01:27:57,172
Speaker 3: It's a lot for sure, residents, But do you think, Elizabeth,

1822
01:27:57,213 --> 01:27:59,133
Speaker 3: there's something in it that we take a breather at

1823
01:27:59,173 --> 01:28:01,933
Speaker 3: the moment on these new shiny infrastructure projects. And I

1824
01:28:01,973 --> 01:28:04,492
Speaker 3: know they're running the numbers on productivity gains and the

1825
01:28:04,492 --> 01:28:05,732
Speaker 3: rest of it, but you look at the likes of

1826
01:28:05,772 --> 01:28:08,933
Speaker 3: the second Harbor Bridge. Is that something we really desperately

1827
01:28:09,013 --> 01:28:11,852
Speaker 3: need at the moment or do we need to have

1828
01:28:11,893 --> 01:28:13,732
Speaker 3: a look at these new roads and think of how

1829
01:28:13,772 --> 01:28:15,772
Speaker 3: much it cost to maintain what we've got and think

1830
01:28:15,893 --> 01:28:19,053
Speaker 3: maybe we don't actually need all these new shiny projects.

1831
01:28:19,133 --> 01:28:21,892
Speaker 3: Maybe we just need to spend some money on maintaining

1832
01:28:21,933 --> 01:28:24,253
Speaker 3: what we've got and when the good times come back,

1833
01:28:24,293 --> 01:28:25,852
Speaker 3: then we can never have another bridge.

1834
01:28:27,213 --> 01:28:29,892
Speaker 21: Yeah, I still think you still need to toll the

1835
01:28:29,893 --> 01:28:32,652
Speaker 21: Harbor Bridge if you want a new bridge, otherwise you're

1836
01:28:32,692 --> 01:28:33,973
Speaker 21: never going to be able to pay for it. And

1837
01:28:34,333 --> 01:28:36,412
Speaker 21: New Zealand has to put their big girl pants on

1838
01:28:36,492 --> 01:28:39,772
Speaker 21: now and just say, hey, we need to do something

1839
01:28:40,333 --> 01:28:44,053
Speaker 21: to get some more money to build these things, otherwise

1840
01:28:44,532 --> 01:28:46,052
Speaker 21: you're never going to have these things.

1841
01:28:46,213 --> 01:28:48,213
Speaker 2: I like big girl plants, I like the sound of

1842
01:28:48,213 --> 01:28:54,093
Speaker 2: big girl pants, but ninety dollars a week. So this

1843
01:28:54,133 --> 01:28:56,772
Speaker 2: is for someone that goes across the harbor Bridge and

1844
01:28:56,933 --> 01:28:58,532
Speaker 2: back ninety dollars a week.

1845
01:28:58,772 --> 01:28:58,852
Speaker 5: That.

1846
01:28:59,053 --> 01:29:01,173
Speaker 2: I mean, no one can afford that. Very few people

1847
01:29:01,213 --> 01:29:04,492
Speaker 2: can fall that without it affecting without affecting people. But

1848
01:29:04,853 --> 01:29:07,492
Speaker 2: what about this, Elizabeth, This is this is an analogy

1849
01:29:07,532 --> 01:29:09,253
Speaker 2: I thought of before, So tell me what's wrong with this.

1850
01:29:09,692 --> 01:29:12,133
Speaker 2: So I come home from work one day and the

1851
01:29:12,173 --> 01:29:17,932
Speaker 2: council said that they want to charge me ten dollars

1852
01:29:17,973 --> 01:29:21,092
Speaker 2: to parker my driveway. And I say, oh, that's great, council.

1853
01:29:21,652 --> 01:29:23,972
Speaker 2: What are you are you retiling my driveway? You're making

1854
01:29:23,973 --> 01:29:26,092
Speaker 2: it better know. They're like, no, that's for a driveway

1855
01:29:26,093 --> 01:29:29,293
Speaker 2: down the road. Isn't that what you're doing. Some people

1856
01:29:29,372 --> 01:29:31,213
Speaker 2: are using this harbor bridge and you're saying, well, we're

1857
01:29:31,253 --> 01:29:33,492
Speaker 2: going to hold you for another harbor bridge. And you're like, well,

1858
01:29:33,532 --> 01:29:34,973
Speaker 2: I don't want to use the other Harborridge. I want

1859
01:29:34,973 --> 01:29:36,612
Speaker 2: to use this harbor bridge. Do you see that?

1860
01:29:36,612 --> 01:29:36,812
Speaker 4: Why?

1861
01:29:36,853 --> 01:29:41,372
Speaker 2: It's a bit weird to toll something for something else.

1862
01:29:43,253 --> 01:29:46,652
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's a strange way I'm looking at it.

1863
01:29:46,732 --> 01:29:52,572
Speaker 21: But anyway, I just think if you want a new

1864
01:29:52,612 --> 01:29:55,013
Speaker 21: harbor bridge, you have to bring back the tolls to

1865
01:29:55,532 --> 01:29:58,412
Speaker 21: the existing harbor bridge.

1866
01:29:58,612 --> 01:30:00,812
Speaker 2: Okay, well, thank if you call Elizabeth. I really appreciate

1867
01:30:00,853 --> 01:30:01,652
Speaker 2: it was a good chat.

1868
01:30:01,732 --> 01:30:02,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great call.

1869
01:30:02,692 --> 01:30:05,412
Speaker 2: I pull on my big girl pants and after a

1870
01:30:05,452 --> 01:30:06,053
Speaker 2: great chat with.

1871
01:30:06,013 --> 01:30:08,732
Speaker 3: You, they sound comfy, all right? Taking your number, taking

1872
01:30:08,732 --> 01:30:10,572
Speaker 3: your calls rather. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1873
01:30:10,612 --> 01:30:13,093
Speaker 3: nineteen nine two is the text. It is twenty three

1874
01:30:13,213 --> 01:30:13,812
Speaker 3: pass three.

1875
01:30:17,572 --> 01:30:21,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1876
01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:23,372
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk ZB very.

1877
01:30:23,293 --> 01:30:25,572
Speaker 3: Good afternoon tu twenty six past three. So we're talking

1878
01:30:25,572 --> 01:30:28,812
Speaker 3: about this proposed nine dollar toll on the existing Harbor

1879
01:30:28,853 --> 01:30:32,173
Speaker 3: Bridge to pay for than new well potentially new wide

1880
01:30:32,213 --> 01:30:33,692
Speaker 3: Amutter Harbor Bridge crossing.

1881
01:30:34,732 --> 01:30:37,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, some people saying you'd have to toll the current bridge

1882
01:30:37,652 --> 01:30:40,173
Speaker 2: otherwise people wouldn't use the new bridge. But I think

1883
01:30:40,213 --> 01:30:43,093
Speaker 2: the idea that that you're tolling the current bridge in

1884
01:30:43,173 --> 01:30:47,173
Speaker 2: advance of building the other bridge, yep, which just seems

1885
01:30:47,173 --> 01:30:48,372
Speaker 2: a little bit weird to me. And if we are

1886
01:30:48,372 --> 01:30:51,173
Speaker 2: for tolls, and I'm not against them because the Northern

1887
01:30:51,213 --> 01:30:54,932
Speaker 2: Gateway toll road is fantastic, it's so much better with that.

1888
01:30:55,532 --> 01:30:57,932
Speaker 2: There is another option, though, there is there is another option.

1889
01:30:58,013 --> 01:31:01,652
Speaker 2: It's just it's a great toll road because it's created

1890
01:31:01,692 --> 01:31:05,372
Speaker 2: something fantastic. It's made this situation better. But it is

1891
01:31:05,412 --> 01:31:07,492
Speaker 2: so much better than you don't mind paying for it

1892
01:31:07,532 --> 01:31:10,052
Speaker 2: because the other option and so terrible, right, yes, yeah, yeah,

1893
01:31:10,093 --> 01:31:12,293
Speaker 2: And we've got two other toll roads in the country,

1894
01:31:12,333 --> 01:31:14,572
Speaker 2: so it's not like we're being over told no. But

1895
01:31:15,293 --> 01:31:18,692
Speaker 2: the question is should you toll something that exists now

1896
01:31:18,732 --> 01:31:19,492
Speaker 2: for something else?

1897
01:31:19,652 --> 01:31:19,972
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1898
01:31:20,053 --> 01:31:22,732
Speaker 2: So I mean if you were tolling the if you

1899
01:31:22,732 --> 01:31:26,692
Speaker 2: were tolling the Totonga Eastern Link toll road to pay

1900
01:31:26,732 --> 01:31:28,932
Speaker 2: for the Northern Gateway toll road, then I think people

1901
01:31:29,013 --> 01:31:30,293
Speaker 2: might be good annoyed.

1902
01:31:30,133 --> 01:31:32,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean this is a fear analogy.

1903
01:31:32,732 --> 01:31:35,412
Speaker 3: It's kind of like tolling Queen Street because they're gonna,

1904
01:31:35,452 --> 01:31:37,412
Speaker 3: you know, do up another street just across the road.

1905
01:31:37,612 --> 01:31:39,973
Speaker 3: It's very similar, right, that's you know, we want to

1906
01:31:40,053 --> 01:31:41,972
Speaker 3: we want to do some development over on that side

1907
01:31:41,973 --> 01:31:43,492
Speaker 3: of the city and part now, so we're just going

1908
01:31:43,572 --> 01:31:45,772
Speaker 3: to toll Queen Street for six months because we need

1909
01:31:45,812 --> 01:31:48,692
Speaker 3: some cash. Well, it's kind it's kind of same same.

1910
01:31:48,853 --> 01:31:51,093
Speaker 2: Well, arguably they do that with the North Shore, right,

1911
01:31:51,173 --> 01:31:53,093
Speaker 2: so you've got people on the North Shore that are

1912
01:31:53,173 --> 01:31:55,093
Speaker 2: having to pay for this two hundred and thirty five

1913
01:31:55,133 --> 01:31:57,572
Speaker 2: million dollars a year upkeep for the city rail link.

1914
01:31:57,933 --> 01:31:59,933
Speaker 2: When the city RAILINGK doesn't go anywhere new at the

1915
01:31:59,973 --> 01:32:03,052
Speaker 2: north Shore, I mean the city RAILINGK doesn't go really

1916
01:32:03,053 --> 01:32:05,492
Speaker 2: anywhere in most places, poor north Shore residence.

1917
01:32:05,492 --> 01:32:08,333
Speaker 3: It's great for people to Mountain exactly, Awesome for Kingsland,

1918
01:32:08,532 --> 01:32:12,372
Speaker 3: keevin Port, not so much. Fantastic the newmarket. Yeah, oh

1919
01:32:12,452 --> 01:32:14,892
Speaker 3: one ten eighty is another to call love the ear thoughts.

1920
01:32:14,933 --> 01:32:16,852
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, by the time New Zealand gets around to

1921
01:32:16,853 --> 01:32:18,892
Speaker 2: building a new bridge, the old one would be falling

1922
01:32:18,893 --> 01:32:21,253
Speaker 2: into the sea. So yes, we do need another one

1923
01:32:21,333 --> 01:32:23,253
Speaker 2: and we need to start paying for the new one now,

1924
01:32:23,412 --> 01:32:26,173
Speaker 2: So yes, toll five dollars nine dollars is too dear.

1925
01:32:26,853 --> 01:32:29,812
Speaker 2: Thanks for the text, Grege.

1926
01:32:31,532 --> 01:32:35,253
Speaker 18: Hello boys, great soever always and I love the lady

1927
01:32:35,293 --> 01:32:38,093
Speaker 18: with a big big boys pants. That's one of our

1928
01:32:38,133 --> 01:32:41,293
Speaker 18: families saying, so yeah put them on you need them

1929
01:32:41,293 --> 01:32:42,012
Speaker 18: every now and again.

1930
01:32:42,213 --> 01:32:44,093
Speaker 2: She was a fan of the girls pants, which I'm

1931
01:32:44,093 --> 01:32:44,972
Speaker 2: not sure if they're the same.

1932
01:32:50,013 --> 01:32:53,692
Speaker 18: We are so in nack in this country because three

1933
01:32:53,772 --> 01:32:56,452
Speaker 18: years ago we went to Korea with a Korean dreends

1934
01:32:56,492 --> 01:32:59,612
Speaker 18: and stayed with them and we grove right up to

1935
01:32:59,772 --> 01:33:02,972
Speaker 18: where they had the Olympics some years ago now, when

1936
01:33:03,013 --> 01:33:05,812
Speaker 18: they were going to have the Winter Olympics there. Within

1937
01:33:05,933 --> 01:33:09,053
Speaker 18: two years they built eleven tunnels and they were at

1938
01:33:09,173 --> 01:33:13,293
Speaker 18: least three kilometers long. We rove through all of them

1939
01:33:13,333 --> 01:33:17,253
Speaker 18: to go up the coast. And you know how long

1940
01:33:17,372 --> 01:33:19,372
Speaker 18: I live in Algis Bay. You know how long it

1941
01:33:19,572 --> 01:33:24,053
Speaker 18: took to build our little piddy tunnel. I mean, we

1942
01:33:24,213 --> 01:33:28,532
Speaker 18: really are crazy. We just we just don't get it.

1943
01:33:28,732 --> 01:33:32,293
Speaker 18: You know, if we have these big progress, maybe have

1944
01:33:32,572 --> 01:33:35,933
Speaker 18: companies from overseas that they get the money for so

1945
01:33:36,093 --> 01:33:38,933
Speaker 18: long they build it. Years ago, the Anks want to

1946
01:33:38,973 --> 01:33:41,532
Speaker 18: build a Harvard Bridge and take the money for X

1947
01:33:41,572 --> 01:33:44,572
Speaker 18: amount of years. But we wouldn't. We couldn't see that.

1948
01:33:44,772 --> 01:33:48,772
Speaker 18: I'm nearly seventy seven, but I mean we are backward

1949
01:33:48,853 --> 01:33:50,892
Speaker 18: and thinking in so many ways.

1950
01:33:51,013 --> 01:33:55,533
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, a public private partnership kind of situation

1951
01:33:55,973 --> 01:33:58,293
Speaker 2: where they take all the toll for the bridge would

1952
01:33:58,293 --> 01:33:59,852
Speaker 2: being interesting. Why doesn't it if you keep the other

1953
01:33:59,893 --> 01:34:02,133
Speaker 2: bridge and so people had a choice of which one

1954
01:34:02,173 --> 01:34:03,973
Speaker 2: they use, and you'd have to build our bridge that

1955
01:34:04,173 --> 01:34:07,333
Speaker 2: is or another crossing that's so good that people choose

1956
01:34:07,372 --> 01:34:08,933
Speaker 2: to use it and pay them money for it. I mean,

1957
01:34:08,973 --> 01:34:12,132
Speaker 2: that'd be the ideal situation, wouldn't it. But as amazing

1958
01:34:12,173 --> 01:34:13,173
Speaker 2: as sorry you go.

1959
01:34:14,492 --> 01:34:16,812
Speaker 18: The biggest thing is that where save in Northcoat? So

1960
01:34:16,893 --> 01:34:19,253
Speaker 18: where you going to start this? How the bridge.

1961
01:34:18,933 --> 01:34:20,972
Speaker 2: From that's a huge question as.

1962
01:34:20,853 --> 01:34:25,133
Speaker 18: Well, in an area that diverts traffic. So you've got

1963
01:34:25,173 --> 01:34:27,852
Speaker 18: some coming from north Cote over the bridge and then

1964
01:34:27,893 --> 01:34:30,812
Speaker 18: you're in Birkenhead and all that, and then you've got

1965
01:34:30,853 --> 01:34:32,932
Speaker 18: some of the other side coming out.

1966
01:34:32,973 --> 01:34:35,253
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how many billions of dollars and how

1967
01:34:35,293 --> 01:34:38,732
Speaker 2: long that would take? So the city railway, the city

1968
01:34:38,812 --> 01:34:40,532
Speaker 2: railing which we're talking about, is three point four to

1969
01:34:40,692 --> 01:34:43,732
Speaker 2: five kilometers long and only one point six kilometers of

1970
01:34:43,772 --> 01:34:47,532
Speaker 2: that is underground and that has taken How long have

1971
01:34:47,732 --> 01:34:50,692
Speaker 2: we How long has that taken? I know it's it's

1972
01:34:50,812 --> 01:34:54,333
Speaker 2: it's tough to rain to dig through under there.

1973
01:34:54,893 --> 01:34:56,013
Speaker 17: But the.

1974
01:34:57,492 --> 01:35:00,213
Speaker 2: Five and a half billion dollars for one point six

1975
01:35:00,253 --> 01:35:03,452
Speaker 2: kilometers underground, it's I fear it would have to be

1976
01:35:03,492 --> 01:35:06,732
Speaker 2: a bridge. If we went under the harbor, then.

1977
01:35:07,652 --> 01:35:11,173
Speaker 3: It's going to bank right the country.

1978
01:35:10,732 --> 01:35:14,372
Speaker 18: In a little box by the envoys. But the biggest

1979
01:35:14,452 --> 01:35:17,012
Speaker 18: thing is that, really you I don't think you can

1980
01:35:17,772 --> 01:35:20,813
Speaker 18: kill them or assure people too much because we're an algas.

1981
01:35:20,853 --> 01:35:24,052
Speaker 18: And I mean we're paying huge rates up here because

1982
01:35:24,093 --> 01:35:27,933
Speaker 18: we look out over the sea, but we're paying for

1983
01:35:27,973 --> 01:35:30,612
Speaker 18: the rail and swimming pools. We don't have any of

1984
01:35:30,652 --> 01:35:32,973
Speaker 18: those things up here. We have to go to Silverdale

1985
01:35:33,253 --> 01:35:36,333
Speaker 18: to get a swimming pool, but it's all on our rates.

1986
01:35:36,412 --> 01:35:40,212
Speaker 18: So you know, it's kind of imbalanced in lots of ways.

1987
01:35:40,293 --> 01:35:42,692
Speaker 2: But it is beautiful over the northern breeches. You're living

1988
01:35:42,692 --> 01:35:44,772
Speaker 2: the dream over there as well, though we are.

1989
01:35:44,812 --> 01:35:47,053
Speaker 18: We're boat hege and we look right out at the

1990
01:35:47,053 --> 01:35:50,572
Speaker 18: moment looking out to great area, little barrier cow out

1991
01:35:50,772 --> 01:35:54,452
Speaker 18: and yeah, and I think the hubby went out fitting

1992
01:35:54,572 --> 01:35:55,132
Speaker 18: this morning.

1993
01:35:55,253 --> 01:35:59,013
Speaker 3: So no, it's a good life.

1994
01:35:59,293 --> 01:36:01,372
Speaker 18: I don't know why we have to bloody pay.

1995
01:36:01,253 --> 01:36:10,253
Speaker 2: For so that the city rail link. So that's started

1996
01:36:10,253 --> 01:36:13,452
Speaker 2: about twenty seventeen, I should look this up, so nearly

1997
01:36:13,452 --> 01:36:16,612
Speaker 2: ten years, about ten years before it fires up. So

1998
01:36:17,293 --> 01:36:20,093
Speaker 2: by the time we agree to plan to build the

1999
01:36:21,492 --> 01:36:24,452
Speaker 2: other crossing and work out how to fund it and

2000
01:36:24,492 --> 01:36:27,893
Speaker 2: then start it, and then the cost overruns and the

2001
01:36:28,692 --> 01:36:31,892
Speaker 2: delays in building it, because maybe it's just better just

2002
01:36:31,933 --> 01:36:34,173
Speaker 2: to just suck it up and keep going back and

2003
01:36:34,173 --> 01:36:36,852
Speaker 2: forth on the Harbor Bridge. We've got right now, and

2004
01:36:37,053 --> 01:36:39,532
Speaker 2: learn to enjoy our time in the car, bringing your

2005
01:36:39,572 --> 01:36:41,652
Speaker 2: mum and dad when you drive across the bridge. Do

2006
01:36:41,692 --> 01:36:43,812
Speaker 2: it but work on the phone, keep productive from the

2007
01:36:43,812 --> 01:36:48,093
Speaker 2: car when you're coming coming across the bridge, and you know,

2008
01:36:48,333 --> 01:36:52,253
Speaker 2: enjoy listening to the radio fantastic show like many afternoons

2009
01:36:52,253 --> 01:36:55,012
Speaker 2: on Newstorks. You'd be good for us. You've got air

2010
01:36:55,013 --> 01:36:58,052
Speaker 2: conditioned cars now they're company to sit in. Just accept

2011
01:36:58,053 --> 01:36:59,812
Speaker 2: that that your day is a little bit of time

2012
01:36:59,893 --> 01:37:02,852
Speaker 2: on the bridge. I mean, compared to congestion in other countries,

2013
01:37:02,893 --> 01:37:04,213
Speaker 2: it's nothing.

2014
01:37:04,333 --> 01:37:06,972
Speaker 3: Do your part, New Zealand. Right, we're taking your calls

2015
01:37:06,973 --> 01:37:09,053
Speaker 3: O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty so keen to

2016
01:37:09,093 --> 01:37:11,652
Speaker 3: talk to you about this proposed nine dollars toll on

2017
01:37:11,772 --> 01:37:14,133
Speaker 3: the Harbor Bridge and to and the new one. Does

2018
01:37:14,133 --> 01:37:16,612
Speaker 3: it actually make sense to toll the existing Harbor Bridge

2019
01:37:16,652 --> 01:37:20,973
Speaker 3: to fund this new waya matar fancy Harbor Bridge or

2020
01:37:21,093 --> 01:37:22,132
Speaker 3: is it crazy town.

2021
01:37:22,253 --> 01:37:23,972
Speaker 2: To fund this pie in the sky.

2022
01:37:24,133 --> 01:37:25,452
Speaker 3: It is twenty seventy four.

2023
01:37:26,812 --> 01:37:30,852
Speaker 5: You've talked SAIB headlines with your Ride, New Zealand's number

2024
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:34,772
Speaker 5: one taxi app. Download your ride today. A report has

2025
01:37:34,812 --> 01:37:39,052
Speaker 5: far little progress on recommendations to better protect vulnerable children,

2026
01:37:39,372 --> 01:37:42,732
Speaker 5: With twenty four more children killed by kra since five

2027
01:37:42,812 --> 01:37:47,452
Speaker 5: year old Malachi Shuebeckx was murdered. The Transport Minister appears

2028
01:37:47,492 --> 01:37:50,732
Speaker 5: to have opened the door to the possibility Wellington might

2029
01:37:50,772 --> 01:37:53,452
Speaker 5: not get its two new tunnels at Mount Victoria and

2030
01:37:53,492 --> 01:37:59,213
Speaker 5: the Terrace, saying congestion charging might render them unnecessary. State

2031
01:37:59,293 --> 01:38:02,213
Speaker 5: Highway seventy five is back open through Banks Peninsula, but

2032
01:38:02,213 --> 01:38:05,612
Speaker 5: the area still has much storm damage and boil water

2033
01:38:05,692 --> 01:38:09,652
Speaker 5: notices continue at Weinui and Little River. A helicopters flying

2034
01:38:09,692 --> 01:38:13,093
Speaker 5: and urgent supplies to stranded communities on wide it up

2035
01:38:13,133 --> 01:38:17,452
Speaker 5: as South Coast, with storm recovery continuing across other parts

2036
01:38:17,492 --> 01:38:20,932
Speaker 5: of the country. The Reserve Banks kept the official cash

2037
01:38:21,013 --> 01:38:25,772
Speaker 5: rate unchanged at two point twenty five percent farmacs, expanding

2038
01:38:25,853 --> 01:38:29,173
Speaker 5: funding for two new leukemia medications which could be available

2039
01:38:29,213 --> 01:38:33,772
Speaker 5: from May where AI illiterate and our economic growth is

2040
01:38:33,812 --> 01:38:36,093
Speaker 5: at stake. You can see the full colom at ends

2041
01:38:36,093 --> 01:38:38,892
Speaker 5: at Herald Premium. Back to matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

2042
01:38:38,893 --> 01:38:41,892
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan. It is twenty three to four,

2043
01:38:41,933 --> 01:38:44,732
Speaker 3: so we've been talking about this proposed nine dollars toll

2044
01:38:45,093 --> 01:38:48,932
Speaker 3: on both the existing Harbor Bridge but also the new

2045
01:38:49,253 --> 01:38:51,333
Speaker 3: if it ever comes white to Mata Harbor Bridge. So

2046
01:38:51,412 --> 01:38:53,812
Speaker 3: is that reasonable to toll the existing bridge in order

2047
01:38:53,812 --> 01:38:55,213
Speaker 3: to pay for a new one oh eight hundred and

2048
01:38:55,213 --> 01:38:58,412
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Plenty of

2049
01:38:58,532 --> 01:39:01,372
Speaker 3: texts coming through on nine to nine.

2050
01:39:01,293 --> 01:39:01,612
Speaker 4: Two.

2051
01:39:03,173 --> 01:39:06,892
Speaker 3: Kidday guys, Takaha and christ Church is classic, built on

2052
01:39:07,013 --> 01:39:10,532
Speaker 3: time and on budget and they were working twenty four

2053
01:39:10,572 --> 01:39:12,852
Speaker 3: to seven. We have become a sad lot. Why can't

2054
01:39:12,853 --> 01:39:15,612
Speaker 3: they do that with all infrastructure projects in New Zealand.

2055
01:39:16,133 --> 01:39:18,093
Speaker 3: It's a fair point. With the new stadium down in

2056
01:39:18,133 --> 01:39:21,412
Speaker 3: christ Church, I mean massively blowing out the budget, but

2057
01:39:21,532 --> 01:39:24,013
Speaker 3: arguably that was because the council couldn't make up its

2058
01:39:24,013 --> 01:39:26,692
Speaker 3: mind and then decided the last minutes Yet we'll spend

2059
01:39:26,692 --> 01:39:28,972
Speaker 3: seven hundred million bucks instead of two hundred and fifty

2060
01:39:29,372 --> 01:39:31,253
Speaker 3: million that it was going to cost ten years prior

2061
01:39:31,293 --> 01:39:31,492
Speaker 3: to that.

2062
01:39:31,612 --> 01:39:32,772
Speaker 2: But it is beautiful.

2063
01:39:32,812 --> 01:39:34,372
Speaker 3: It is beautiful and ready to go.

2064
01:39:34,372 --> 01:39:37,732
Speaker 2: And the Foo fighters are going to play there. So Matt,

2065
01:39:37,772 --> 01:39:40,732
Speaker 2: you are right that tolls on the bridge that exist

2066
01:39:40,812 --> 01:39:43,412
Speaker 2: for one that doesn't isn't fair, And you are right

2067
01:39:43,492 --> 01:39:47,052
Speaker 2: that we should tell everything if we're going to toll

2068
01:39:47,173 --> 01:39:50,173
Speaker 2: this and charge on public transfer what it costs to

2069
01:39:50,253 --> 01:39:54,532
Speaker 2: run it, trains, buses, cycle lanes, et cetera. But in

2070
01:39:54,572 --> 01:39:57,333
Speaker 2: the end, last government borrowed so much that we don't

2071
01:39:57,333 --> 01:40:00,333
Speaker 2: have any wiggle room anymore, ten billion in interest a

2072
01:40:00,412 --> 01:40:03,572
Speaker 2: year alone before we even hit the principle. In a

2073
01:40:03,612 --> 01:40:07,852
Speaker 2: perfect world, yes, we would be able to spend on

2074
01:40:07,853 --> 01:40:11,092
Speaker 2: our own for structure as a nation. In this world, however,

2075
01:40:11,372 --> 01:40:14,052
Speaker 2: we will have to punish our most productive with tolls

2076
01:40:14,173 --> 01:40:16,132
Speaker 2: or we just won't move forward as a country.

2077
01:40:16,213 --> 01:40:21,132
Speaker 3: I think that articulates it very well. Great text. Yeah, Hayden,

2078
01:40:21,173 --> 01:40:21,972
Speaker 3: how are you made?

2079
01:40:23,133 --> 01:40:23,372
Speaker 4: Hey?

2080
01:40:23,372 --> 01:40:24,333
Speaker 3: How's it good?

2081
01:40:26,372 --> 01:40:26,532
Speaker 19: Yeah?

2082
01:40:26,572 --> 01:40:31,532
Speaker 17: I think that nine dollars is pretty steep. I wouldn't

2083
01:40:31,532 --> 01:40:35,772
Speaker 17: mind paying nine dollars of your earlier caller. John was

2084
01:40:35,812 --> 01:40:39,932
Speaker 17: there mashing up uahas and pushing poodles in the face.

2085
01:40:40,652 --> 01:40:42,052
Speaker 3: That's pretty rough on the old doggies.

2086
01:40:43,053 --> 01:40:45,492
Speaker 17: Yeah, I wouldn't mind paying it. You've got to see

2087
01:40:45,532 --> 01:40:47,933
Speaker 17: him every day.

2088
01:40:48,652 --> 01:40:50,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still actually have forgotten about that. Cool Hayden.

2089
01:40:51,093 --> 01:40:53,933
Speaker 2: So he was really worried about the chuawas. That was

2090
01:40:53,973 --> 01:40:57,412
Speaker 2: the part of this whole dog situation. He was worried about.

2091
01:40:57,692 --> 01:41:00,972
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, and I think you're going to add poodles

2092
01:41:00,973 --> 01:41:02,612
Speaker 17: onto that as well, don't you. A.

2093
01:41:03,053 --> 01:41:05,133
Speaker 3: Poodles are pretty you know, poodles are the best of

2094
01:41:05,213 --> 01:41:05,612
Speaker 3: us something.

2095
01:41:06,013 --> 01:41:08,333
Speaker 2: I got a lot of pushback Hayden from my comments

2096
01:41:08,412 --> 01:41:11,213
Speaker 2: around you shouldn't be scared of poodles, but I need.

2097
01:41:12,612 --> 01:41:14,692
Speaker 2: I was like, I just in the in the big

2098
01:41:14,772 --> 01:41:17,293
Speaker 2: scheme of things, the dogs, that you should be worried

2099
01:41:17,293 --> 01:41:19,173
Speaker 2: about poodles. I just I just don't think you need

2100
01:41:19,213 --> 01:41:21,972
Speaker 2: to spend a lot of your life worrying about the poodless.

2101
01:41:22,013 --> 01:41:23,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can take down a poodle.

2102
01:41:23,213 --> 01:41:26,213
Speaker 17: Yeah, but yeah, because then if you had to do

2103
01:41:26,412 --> 01:41:29,173
Speaker 17: the message be like, we're going to pay nine dollars,

2104
01:41:29,213 --> 01:41:31,572
Speaker 17: I said, Well, at least we get to see John

2105
01:41:31,612 --> 01:41:32,532
Speaker 17: with the dogs again.

2106
01:41:34,053 --> 01:41:35,812
Speaker 2: Which side of the bridge does John with the Dogs

2107
01:41:35,853 --> 01:41:37,372
Speaker 2: live on? Though? Is he on the opposite side of

2108
01:41:37,372 --> 01:41:38,452
Speaker 2: the bridge from you? Aiden?

2109
01:41:39,253 --> 01:41:40,412
Speaker 17: He's going to be in the middle.

2110
01:41:41,053 --> 01:41:44,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair enough if you go in both ways

2111
01:41:44,293 --> 01:41:46,973
Speaker 3: to see John. Just go about as chihall.

2112
01:41:46,452 --> 01:41:49,012
Speaker 2: Pay nine if you've got John and a toll booth

2113
01:41:49,053 --> 01:41:51,253
Speaker 2: fighting chihuahuas on the way over.

2114
01:41:52,372 --> 01:41:53,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good price.

2115
01:41:53,732 --> 01:41:55,252
Speaker 2: A bit of struggle with the medicine.

2116
01:41:55,492 --> 01:41:58,973
Speaker 3: Kiddo, Brian, Hey, how are you?

2117
01:41:59,973 --> 01:42:00,412
Speaker 22: Yeah good?

2118
01:42:00,412 --> 01:42:04,093
Speaker 2: Thanks Matte doing good. Thanks your thoughts on on this

2119
01:42:04,173 --> 01:42:12,013
Speaker 2: whole complicated situation. We're sort of talking about.

2120
01:42:10,133 --> 01:42:14,132
Speaker 22: And and and bridges and all the infrastructure are pretty expensive.

2121
01:42:14,412 --> 01:42:18,333
Speaker 22: I lived in Hong Kong and in the eighties and nineties,

2122
01:42:18,532 --> 01:42:22,772
Speaker 22: and and what they did to Hong Kong Island was

2123
01:42:22,772 --> 01:42:27,133
Speaker 22: was built those tunnels under under harbor tunnels and they

2124
01:42:27,612 --> 01:42:32,173
Speaker 22: they built the concrete. They built them in sections, just

2125
01:42:32,213 --> 01:42:35,413
Speaker 22: in a little bay around the corner, and then they

2126
01:42:35,492 --> 01:42:39,532
Speaker 22: floated them around, dropped them in positioned, sealed them up,

2127
01:42:39,572 --> 01:42:43,532
Speaker 22: pumped the water out. So that was cars and trains

2128
01:42:44,853 --> 01:42:47,452
Speaker 22: and they've got quite a few of them now. But

2129
01:42:47,532 --> 01:42:51,213
Speaker 22: it seemed to really I have no idea the cost,

2130
01:42:51,333 --> 01:42:54,293
Speaker 22: but but it seems like a really cost effective way

2131
01:42:54,333 --> 01:42:58,532
Speaker 22: of doing it. And then you know, there's no no

2132
01:42:58,572 --> 01:43:01,213
Speaker 22: problem with the with the weather. No problem was shutting

2133
01:43:01,213 --> 01:43:05,053
Speaker 22: down with the wind. You know, and it's and it's

2134
01:43:05,053 --> 01:43:06,892
Speaker 22: and it's done and dusted, and you could you know,

2135
01:43:06,973 --> 01:43:09,852
Speaker 22: you can put multiple multiple channels, and you could have

2136
01:43:09,973 --> 01:43:12,852
Speaker 22: you could have rail if you want. But it's just

2137
01:43:13,372 --> 01:43:14,812
Speaker 22: just just a thought, just an option.

2138
01:43:14,973 --> 01:43:19,772
Speaker 3: Are they all told in Hong Kong. Are they bright?

2139
01:43:24,053 --> 01:43:24,213
Speaker 4: No?

2140
01:43:25,093 --> 01:43:27,452
Speaker 22: No, I don't think so, right, Okay, I'm pretty I'm

2141
01:43:27,452 --> 01:43:31,652
Speaker 22: pretty I'm pretty sure they're not. But you know, easy

2142
01:43:31,692 --> 01:43:33,933
Speaker 22: enough to do like we do on our you know,

2143
01:43:33,973 --> 01:43:34,852
Speaker 22: on our toll roads.

2144
01:43:35,133 --> 01:43:37,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't seem that we've we've got

2145
01:43:37,253 --> 01:43:40,612
Speaker 3: a problem with building big infrastructure projects in this country

2146
01:43:40,652 --> 01:43:42,572
Speaker 3: that they always blow out or take too long. What

2147
01:43:42,652 --> 01:43:46,452
Speaker 3: have happened to late penalties for developers and companies that

2148
01:43:46,492 --> 01:43:48,772
Speaker 3: come in in here and build those things. You know,

2149
01:43:48,772 --> 01:43:50,412
Speaker 3: a lot you have in the trades. If the if

2150
01:43:50,412 --> 01:43:52,492
Speaker 3: the chippy hasn't done what he needs to do by

2151
01:43:52,532 --> 01:43:55,133
Speaker 3: a due date, he's got to pay penalty fees. I'm

2152
01:43:55,133 --> 01:43:56,812
Speaker 3: just surprised we don't do something like that to make

2153
01:43:56,812 --> 01:43:57,732
Speaker 3: sure they stay on time.

2154
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Speaker 22: Yeah, exactly. You know, why should why should a developer say,

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01:44:02,893 --> 01:44:05,253
Speaker 22: oh oh the cost of gone up, it's just doubled.

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Speaker 3: What like that? A city rail link for example? How

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01:44:10,053 --> 01:44:12,253
Speaker 3: how many years did that blow out by?

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Speaker 2: But you know that's because you can just ask for

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Speaker 2: more money, because I mean, I remember I was interviewing

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Speaker 2: Chross Hipkins. Well that was you know, when he was

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, and I said, well, when would it

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01:44:24,053 --> 01:44:25,893
Speaker 2: be too much that you just pull out? And so

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01:44:26,013 --> 01:44:28,492
Speaker 2: you're just throwing good money after bad and you said,

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01:44:28,532 --> 01:44:32,732
Speaker 2: we'll never because these these these projects, these massive projects

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Speaker 2: like this are intergeneration and they need to be done.

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Speaker 2: So if you're starting off with you know, and Chippy

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01:44:38,133 --> 01:44:39,932
Speaker 2: wasn't around when it started, that was that was cross

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Speaker 2: party support when they started the city rallying. But if

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01:44:41,893 --> 01:44:44,572
Speaker 2: you but if if the thing is, you're going to

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Speaker 2: do it no matter what it costs, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: if it was a you know, private public partnership where

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01:44:50,692 --> 01:44:54,372
Speaker 2: you know, as you were saying, penalties start coming in

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01:44:54,732 --> 01:44:57,452
Speaker 2: and the longer they do, they basically go bankrupt. It's

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Speaker 2: a very different approach, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But it works clearly. I mean, you've got to

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01:45:01,572 --> 01:45:04,253
Speaker 3: have the carrot of you've got this job and you're

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Speaker 3: going to get a lot of money for it. But

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01:45:05,372 --> 01:45:07,093
Speaker 3: the stick if you don't do what you said you're

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Speaker 3: going to do and on by no time, cough up there,

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01:45:10,532 --> 01:45:11,013
Speaker 3: cough up.

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Speaker 2: If you come back and say we're two billion dollars

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Speaker 2: over and we have some more money, and it's like.

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Speaker 3: No, exactly. Brian, thank you very much for giving us

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Speaker 3: a buzz Mate. It is seventeen to four. Back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

2186
01:45:25,612 --> 01:45:29,492
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

2187
01:45:29,612 --> 01:45:33,133
Speaker 1: with Skoda. Please Scoter codes every day at scoter dot

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01:45:33,213 --> 01:45:34,652
Speaker 1: co dot Nz News Talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be afternoon. It is fourteen to four. So we've

2190
01:45:37,893 --> 01:45:40,812
Speaker 3: been talking about this proposed nine buck tolling on the

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01:45:40,853 --> 01:45:42,333
Speaker 3: Harbor Bridge to pay for the new one.

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01:45:42,732 --> 01:45:43,972
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, we're getting the toll.

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01:45:44,053 --> 01:45:44,532
Speaker 4: I around.

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01:45:44,652 --> 01:45:47,692
Speaker 2: Are in a small building company, eight guys and we

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01:45:47,772 --> 01:45:50,372
Speaker 2: all drive over the bridge. We all live in different suburbs,

2196
01:45:50,372 --> 01:45:53,053
Speaker 2: so can't carpool plus tool. So that's one hundred and

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01:45:53,093 --> 01:45:55,652
Speaker 2: sixty per day. Our average job takes six month. That's

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01:45:55,692 --> 01:45:58,972
Speaker 2: around twenty thousand we would have to charge. So that's

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01:45:59,093 --> 01:46:01,092
Speaker 2: a lot to add to your reno and the price

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01:46:01,133 --> 01:46:03,372
Speaker 2: of building is already high. You see, that's exact same thing.

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01:46:03,492 --> 01:46:05,932
Speaker 2: That's exact thing your toll. That doesn't the money doesn't

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01:46:05,973 --> 01:46:10,173
Speaker 2: just come from nowhere. Yeah, So like we toll and

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01:46:10,213 --> 01:46:13,932
Speaker 2: then the bridge is paid for. You toll, and then

2204
01:46:14,053 --> 01:46:16,293
Speaker 2: that money comes out of the system and gets put

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01:46:16,412 --> 01:46:19,172
Speaker 2: on to other people or not spent. In the economy

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01:46:20,053 --> 01:46:20,892
Speaker 2: has an effect on it.

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01:46:20,933 --> 01:46:23,532
Speaker 3: Right across the board. Delivery drivers, for example, where are

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01:46:23,532 --> 01:46:25,333
Speaker 3: they going to put that nine bucks so that crap

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01:46:25,372 --> 01:46:27,133
Speaker 3: you buy off, Timu. It's not going to be so

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01:46:27,213 --> 01:46:29,172
Speaker 3: cheap anymore, is it. We you're nine dollars toll.

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01:46:29,173 --> 01:46:31,412
Speaker 2: And that person that's driving to town has had to

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01:46:31,452 --> 01:46:33,572
Speaker 2: pay ninety dollars a week to get there and back.

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01:46:33,732 --> 01:46:36,293
Speaker 2: Isn't buying as many coffees at the cafe in town,

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01:46:36,372 --> 01:46:38,972
Speaker 2: so you're not hiring as many baristas. Yeah, the whole

2215
01:46:39,013 --> 01:46:41,452
Speaker 2: it has, it has an effect. Don't get me start

2216
01:46:41,492 --> 01:46:44,452
Speaker 2: on congestion charges. They are pure evil congestion Joseph. But

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01:46:44,492 --> 01:46:46,173
Speaker 2: I actually don't want to open that can of words now.

2218
01:46:46,173 --> 01:46:47,732
Speaker 2: One day we'll talk about why I think they're so

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01:46:47,772 --> 01:46:49,972
Speaker 2: evil if they ever come in just kicking the same

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01:46:50,013 --> 01:46:52,092
Speaker 2: productive people and the nuts over and over again.

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01:46:52,213 --> 01:46:55,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, nine two is the text, Pete, Welcome to the.

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Speaker 12: Show, gentlemen. Yeah, I think none really likes tolls, don't

2223
01:47:01,572 --> 01:47:04,253
Speaker 12: we know that? Bridges listened to the talk back last night.

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01:47:04,372 --> 01:47:07,133
Speaker 12: They reconis they've got about twenty five years left them.

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01:47:07,253 --> 01:47:09,812
Speaker 12: They got to basic. The whole has spend a hell

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01:47:09,812 --> 01:47:10,973
Speaker 12: of a lot of money on us. It's coming to

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01:47:10,973 --> 01:47:13,572
Speaker 12: an end that it's life. There's basically twenty twenty five years.

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01:47:13,692 --> 01:47:15,093
Speaker 12: We've got to spend a lot of money on it,

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01:47:15,532 --> 01:47:17,293
Speaker 12: and I reckon. The only way to go is basically

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01:47:17,333 --> 01:47:21,412
Speaker 12: a tunnel because structure outside of from engineering background, they're

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01:47:21,412 --> 01:47:23,933
Speaker 12: always russ We've got to continuous painting prew on that

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01:47:23,973 --> 01:47:26,772
Speaker 12: bridge crossing. I'sun fortune to do it underground, and I

2233
01:47:26,812 --> 01:47:30,212
Speaker 12: reckon with the toll side of it. Shouldney nine dollars?

2234
01:47:30,372 --> 01:47:33,372
Speaker 12: Just do it one way? Personally, they did charge one way,

2235
01:47:33,412 --> 01:47:38,452
Speaker 12: not to two ways. It's just straight out criminal parasite.

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01:47:38,492 --> 01:47:42,013
Speaker 12: It's wort for these MP's to come up all these

2237
01:47:42,093 --> 01:47:45,132
Speaker 12: rules now on one hundred and two hundred thousand dollars incomes.

2238
01:47:45,133 --> 01:47:47,093
Speaker 12: But think of the pool clean and that's all got

2239
01:47:47,093 --> 01:47:48,452
Speaker 12: to go in the city at night to on do

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Speaker 12: the cleaning. Just charge in one way. If they want

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01:47:50,692 --> 01:47:52,372
Speaker 12: to go around the long way, they can, but we'll

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01:47:52,452 --> 01:47:55,452
Speaker 12: only charge you one way, which either way they want

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01:47:55,452 --> 01:47:57,652
Speaker 12: to take the nine dollars going one way to the

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01:47:57,652 --> 01:48:00,333
Speaker 12: cost they is they go, will only charge you what's

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01:48:00,372 --> 01:48:01,213
Speaker 12: not twice?

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01:48:02,412 --> 01:48:05,932
Speaker 2: What's the what's you know? From an engineering perspective, if

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01:48:05,973 --> 01:48:08,932
Speaker 2: we're if we're tunneling across the white metal, what kind

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01:48:09,293 --> 01:48:11,532
Speaker 2: of what are we going through there? Because when they

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01:48:11,572 --> 01:48:15,333
Speaker 2: did the city rail link, it was incredibly tough to rain,

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01:48:15,492 --> 01:48:19,052
Speaker 2: to be geologically speaking, to go through.

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01:48:21,053 --> 01:48:23,253
Speaker 12: Yeah, we've got to get these engines. Get these people

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01:48:23,372 --> 01:48:26,492
Speaker 12: like from the Italians and the foreigners in here, who's

2253
01:48:26,492 --> 01:48:28,772
Speaker 12: done it before? They look around a few getting through,

2254
01:48:28,812 --> 01:48:32,412
Speaker 12: they break out country. They take so long, overrun them

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01:48:32,492 --> 01:48:35,213
Speaker 12: billions of dollars. Did the overseas do what they do

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01:48:35,253 --> 01:48:37,572
Speaker 12: and say, well you at a fair price, you do

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01:48:37,572 --> 01:48:40,012
Speaker 12: do this work and give them twenty years or whatever

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01:48:40,053 --> 01:48:43,293
Speaker 12: they want. They you can have three, you can have

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01:48:43,333 --> 01:48:48,572
Speaker 12: the toll fees for whatever. Built a really good contract,

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01:48:48,572 --> 01:48:52,452
Speaker 12: make it there worthwhile in our worthwhile. That bridge has

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01:48:52,452 --> 01:48:53,812
Speaker 12: got to be the tunnel's got to be done on

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01:48:53,812 --> 01:48:55,652
Speaker 12: the bridgebie and if we need a new one, so

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01:48:55,652 --> 01:48:57,372
Speaker 12: we can't avoid that so long you leave it more

2264
01:48:57,412 --> 01:48:58,413
Speaker 12: than a puss anyway.

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01:48:58,652 --> 01:49:00,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go to the Italians and the sixes and

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01:49:01,173 --> 01:49:03,933
Speaker 2: Melbourne tolls. That's mote away network. The price is comparatible.

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01:49:04,093 --> 01:49:05,652
Speaker 2: They function. Why can't we But that's not what we're

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01:49:05,652 --> 01:49:07,253
Speaker 2: talking about. We're not talking about. No one's got a

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01:49:07,293 --> 01:49:10,293
Speaker 2: problem with tolling a road that's built as a toll

2270
01:49:10,372 --> 01:49:12,572
Speaker 2: road and then you use it if you want. What

2271
01:49:12,612 --> 01:49:15,173
Speaker 2: we're talking about is this weird suggestion that you toll

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01:49:15,293 --> 01:49:19,093
Speaker 2: a bridge that exists to build a crossing that doesn't exist.

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01:49:18,772 --> 01:49:21,053
Speaker 3: The double dipping. And I don't think anyone does that

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01:49:21,133 --> 01:49:23,173
Speaker 3: around the world. It just doesn't seem like it's got

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01:49:23,213 --> 01:49:24,213
Speaker 3: much logic to it.

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01:49:24,253 --> 01:49:29,053
Speaker 2: If you can work out a system where you toll,

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01:49:29,253 --> 01:49:31,892
Speaker 2: you build a new crossing over the one a metar

2278
01:49:33,053 --> 01:49:35,412
Speaker 2: and people use it and they're told for it, and

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01:49:35,452 --> 01:49:37,452
Speaker 2: they can choose to use it or not, and the

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01:49:37,492 --> 01:49:39,452
Speaker 2: toll is such that it pays himself, then no one's

2281
01:49:39,452 --> 01:49:40,772
Speaker 2: got a problem with that because you don't have to

2282
01:49:40,853 --> 01:49:41,852
Speaker 2: use it if you don't want to use it.

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01:49:41,973 --> 01:49:42,652
Speaker 3: Yep, spot on.

2284
01:49:42,893 --> 01:49:45,133
Speaker 2: You can go over the perfectly good Auckland Harbor Bridge.

2285
01:49:45,253 --> 01:49:46,013
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that one.

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01:49:46,133 --> 01:49:48,333
Speaker 2: Another twenty five years and that bad boy exactly.

2287
01:49:48,692 --> 01:49:50,452
Speaker 3: So what it collapses at twenty fifty? Does it?

2288
01:49:50,612 --> 01:49:54,373
Speaker 2: The question is should you toll something that already exists

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01:49:54,412 --> 01:49:55,333
Speaker 2: for something that doesn't?

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01:49:55,452 --> 01:49:59,333
Speaker 3: Yeah. N nine two is the text number. It is

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01:49:59,572 --> 01:50:02,092
Speaker 3: ten minutes to four. We will be back very shortly.

2292
01:50:02,812 --> 01:50:06,333
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues the big trends and

2293
01:50:06,572 --> 01:50:10,293
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons use

2294
01:50:10,372 --> 01:50:11,772
Speaker 1: talks b U.

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01:50:11,732 --> 01:50:14,173
Speaker 3: S talks b it is seven to four, a few

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01:50:14,213 --> 01:50:16,412
Speaker 3: texts coming through. Get our guys. Toll is fair. User

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01:50:16,452 --> 01:50:20,133
Speaker 3: pays Otherwise a cleaner and inficargo will be paying re

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01:50:20,612 --> 01:50:23,132
Speaker 3: or through his her or tax for a Auckland bridge.

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01:50:23,692 --> 01:50:26,252
Speaker 3: I like this one. You guys are effectively tolling listeners

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01:50:26,372 --> 01:50:28,772
Speaker 3: with all of these ads. Is that pain for Heather's

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01:50:28,772 --> 01:50:29,692
Speaker 3: slot or the next one?

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01:50:31,093 --> 01:50:31,972
Speaker 2: That's true?

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01:50:32,053 --> 01:50:32,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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01:50:33,452 --> 01:50:34,452
Speaker 2: This is a free service.

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01:50:34,652 --> 01:50:36,972
Speaker 3: It is a free service. You don't have to pay anything.

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01:50:37,133 --> 01:50:39,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you do it. All you do is listen

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01:50:39,652 --> 01:50:41,532
Speaker 2: and then the ads pay for it. Yeap, what a

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01:50:41,572 --> 01:50:47,652
Speaker 2: great model. Look, we need new stuff, so toll away.

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01:50:48,572 --> 01:50:51,093
Speaker 2: We have no money. But tolling one piece of infrastructure

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01:50:51,093 --> 01:50:53,133
Speaker 2: to pay for another one down the track doesn't doesn't

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01:50:53,133 --> 01:50:56,412
Speaker 2: seem fair to me. And if you're gonna toll toll

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01:50:56,492 --> 01:50:59,452
Speaker 2: all kinds of infrastructure, don't go around picking moral winners.

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01:50:59,492 --> 01:51:02,253
Speaker 2: We haven't all decided that buses, trains and bikes are

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01:51:02,293 --> 01:51:06,052
Speaker 2: morally superior to cars. So if you're building expensive things

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01:51:07,013 --> 01:51:08,333
Speaker 2: and tolling is the way. We're going to do it.

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01:51:08,732 --> 01:51:11,452
Speaker 2: In told all of Itre you go toll the five

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01:51:11,532 --> 01:51:14,532
Speaker 2: year old on the bike with the training wheels.

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01:51:14,572 --> 01:51:17,452
Speaker 3: Yep, they can afford it. Shake them back.

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01:51:19,452 --> 01:51:21,372
Speaker 2: If you're going to shake down the trady going back

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01:51:21,372 --> 01:51:23,572
Speaker 2: across the bridge five times a week.

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01:51:23,893 --> 01:51:26,612
Speaker 3: Our good thank you to everyone who called and text

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01:51:26,652 --> 01:51:27,213
Speaker 3: on that one.

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01:51:28,093 --> 01:51:31,972
Speaker 2: Coming up on the Heather duplacey Ellen Drive, we have

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01:51:32,853 --> 01:51:36,372
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank cheer and Brenham. She speaks New Zealand

2325
01:51:36,612 --> 01:51:39,572
Speaker 2: News TALKSZ'DB for the first time, as she's decided to

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01:51:39,612 --> 01:51:42,612
Speaker 2: hold the o CR at two point twenty five percent,

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01:51:42,652 --> 01:51:43,572
Speaker 2: which surprised nobody.

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01:51:43,612 --> 01:51:46,213
Speaker 3: Looking looking forward to that interview though I haven't heard

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01:51:46,213 --> 01:51:47,612
Speaker 3: too much of it, so looking forward to that.

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01:51:47,812 --> 01:51:50,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thanks so much for listening to the show.

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01:51:50,053 --> 01:51:55,333
Speaker 2: Tyler and I were back live from twelve o'clock tomorrow afternoon.

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01:51:56,572 --> 01:52:00,132
Speaker 23: Why am I playing this song, Tyler mate? A tunnel

2333
01:52:00,173 --> 01:52:03,892
Speaker 23: of love? Bruce Spriggs scene says you're hoping for some

2334
01:52:03,933 --> 01:52:07,333
Speaker 23: sort of tunnel of love from Auckland City to north Shore.

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01:52:07,532 --> 01:52:10,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, tunnel under the wider matar.

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01:52:10,213 --> 01:52:12,253
Speaker 3: I'd pay nine dollars for that, pay a lot more

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01:52:12,253 --> 01:52:14,532
Speaker 3: easily for Nope. Nope, don't say it.

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01:52:15,253 --> 01:52:15,852
Speaker 2: Look your poet.

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01:52:17,652 --> 01:52:20,053
Speaker 3: People can read between the lines on that one.

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01:52:20,372 --> 01:52:22,093
Speaker 2: Keep it clean. It's a great song. Thanks so much

2341
01:52:22,133 --> 01:52:25,372
Speaker 2: for listening, and talk tomorrow afternoon and give a taste

2342
01:52:25,372 --> 01:52:26,133
Speaker 2: of Kiwi from us.

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01:52:26,133 --> 01:52:26,772
Speaker 3: All right, I love you.

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01:53:24,412 --> 01:53:27,013
Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b listen live on

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01:53:27,133 --> 01:53:30,092
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01:53:30,133 --> 01:53:32,653
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