WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #243 - June 12th 2024 - Guy Hatchard

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to podcasts two hundred and forty three for June twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. There are countless events happening all over

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<v Speaker 2>the planet at a moment, and some might say that

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<v Speaker 2>it always was so, but not always with the same

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<v Speaker 2>level of attention. Individual crises get today big or small headline?

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<v Speaker 2>Who confirms bird flu death in Mexico? As trusts the

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<v Speaker 2>science experts want to test America's forty million cows. Here's another,

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<v Speaker 2>now that someone has dropped dead. Fear of H five

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<v Speaker 2>N two is already starting to ripple all over the globe.

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<v Speaker 2>What about this one? Media is to blame for COVID

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<v Speaker 2>vaccine's wall of infallibility? Or we got sold a dog

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<v Speaker 2>on that particular occasion. The most delusional Paul Krugman headline

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<v Speaker 2>in the history of delusional Paul Krugman headlines. Keeping in

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<v Speaker 2>mind that, of course, Paul Krugman is the economics writer

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<v Speaker 2>for the New York Times, And we pay attention to

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times later in the podcast, and just

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<v Speaker 2>for the sake of it, because I've got these lying around.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a couple more the WHO powergrab and enemies of

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<v Speaker 2>food freedom. But the constant debate between big farmer, the

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<v Speaker 2>media and government departments, and the World Economic Forum and

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<v Speaker 2>the World Health Organization, etc. Just might be starting to

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<v Speaker 2>come apart. A few days ago, a former Japanese Minister

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<v Speaker 2>for Internal Affairs apologized in a public speech to the

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<v Speaker 2>citizenry of Japan for COVID nineteen vaccine campaigns. Then, more recently,

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times admitted that the evidence that COVID

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<v Speaker 2>came from a lab in Wuhan is overwhelming, saying that

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<v Speaker 2>it's undeniable that US federal funding helped to build an

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<v Speaker 2>unprecedented collection of SARS like viruses at the Wuhan Institute,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as contributing to research that enhanced them. But then,

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<v Speaker 2>or more appropriately now, the British Medical Journal has published

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<v Speaker 2>an article excess mortality across countries in the Western World

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<v Speaker 2>since COVID nineteen pandemic, and the UK Daily Telegraph headline

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<v Speaker 2>covid vaccination may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths.

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<v Speaker 2>These are just some of the matters that we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>discussing with the guest on two forty three, Guy Hatchett,

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<v Speaker 2>publisher of The Hatchard Report, a man who's been on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast on I think two occasions in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>and somebody I've come to respect, and Guy Hatchett is next.

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<v Speaker 2>There are essential fat nutrients that we need in our

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<v Speaker 2>diets as the body cart manufacture them. These are Omega

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<v Speaker 2>three and Amiga six fatty acids. Equisine is a combination

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<v Speaker 2>of fish oil and virgin evening primrose oil, a formula

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<v Speaker 2>that provides an excellent source of Omega three and Omega

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<v Speaker 2>six fatty acids in their naturally existing ratios. The Omega

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<v Speaker 2>six from evening primrose oil assists the Omega three fish

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<v Speaker 2>oil to be more effective. Equisine is a high quality

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<v Speaker 2>fish oil supplement enriched with evening primrose oil that works

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<v Speaker 2>synergistically for comprehensive health support. Sourced from the deep sea

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<v Speaker 2>sardines Anchovisa magrol provide essential Amiga three fatty acids in

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<v Speaker 2>their purest form without any internal organs or toxins. Every

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<v Speaker 2>batch is tested for its purity before it's allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>be sold. Equisine supports cells to be flexible, so important

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<v Speaker 2>to support healthy blood flow and overall cardiovascular health can

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<v Speaker 2>support mood, balance and mental clarity and focus in children,

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to supporting stiff joints, mental focus, brain

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<v Speaker 2>health and healthy eyes as we get older. Equas in

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<v Speaker 2>as a premium high grade fish and evening primrose oil

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<v Speaker 2>to be taken in addition to a healthy diet and

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<v Speaker 2>is only available from pharmacies and health stores. Always read

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<v Speaker 2>the label and users directed and if symptoms persist, seeing

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<v Speaker 2>your healthcare professional. Farmer Broker Auckland Layton Smith. The damn

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<v Speaker 2>wall has finally broken. In the US and Australia. The

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<v Speaker 2>chapter of silence on reporting COVID nineteen vaccine injuries appears

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<v Speaker 2>to have slammed shut now. The article is from Adam Crichton,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the Washington correspondent for the Australian. He goes

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<v Speaker 2>on throughout the pandemic, criticism of masks or lockdowns was

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<v Speaker 2>permissible if frowned upon, but the vac the scenes attained

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<v Speaker 2>an almost exalted status that ensured any critics, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>the quality of their evidence, were unfairly disparaged as anti

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<v Speaker 2>vaxes cookers, or simply ignored. Why this was so remains

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<v Speaker 2>hard to explain, but some fault must lie with a

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<v Speaker 2>too credulous, incurious mainstream media naive to the political and

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<v Speaker 2>financial forces that pushed governments to assume the more sensible

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<v Speaker 2>part of voluntary COVID nineteen vaccination at a very outset.

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<v Speaker 2>Compelling entire populations to take a scientifically novel vaccine produced

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<v Speaker 2>on a political timetable against the disease that for the

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<v Speaker 2>bulk of people was a bad cold, was a highly

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<v Speaker 2>questionable policy, arguably trashing traditional medical ethics about informed consent. Yet,

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<v Speaker 2>even as it became clear through twenty one and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two that the expert's pushing vaccine mandates had been wrong

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<v Speaker 2>over and over again, safe and effective, Safe and effective

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<v Speaker 2>remained the mantra. Governments and experts insisted vaccines stopped transmission

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<v Speaker 2>when clearly they didn't, even though Pfizer later admitted it

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't even studied that question. All of this was wrought

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<v Speaker 2>upon us by the government of the day, including one

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley Bloomfield, who is about to be put under the

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<v Speaker 2>microscope for the rest of this podcast now the man

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<v Speaker 2>who started the Hatchet Report that has been online for

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<v Speaker 2>the last few years. Guy Hatchett, it's great to have

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<v Speaker 2>you back on the podcast. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>your time. Great to be here. Laden. You've been very active.

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<v Speaker 2>Most recently you've been responsible for helping establish something called GLOBE,

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<v Speaker 2>the Campaign for Global Outlawing Biotechnology experimentation, and you've written

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<v Speaker 2>the International Genetic Charter. Give us a brief on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the thing is that the international health regulations, which

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<v Speaker 3>are being formulated by the World Health Organization, will see

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<v Speaker 3>control of our health service to the World Health Organization,

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<v Speaker 3>and they will open the door to mass vaccination's mass

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<v Speaker 3>treatment of people with novel medical procedures. And it's all

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<v Speaker 3>very well to say, well, we don't want this, and

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<v Speaker 3>there are good reasons for that, but we also have

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<v Speaker 3>to say what we do want. What kind of controls

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<v Speaker 3>would we like to see in place that the disaster

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<v Speaker 3>that was the pandemic doesn't happen to us again. And

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<v Speaker 3>the International Genetic Charter is very simple document. Actually, it's

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<v Speaker 3>very short to read, just a couple of minutes of

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<v Speaker 3>your time, and it lays out the right to refuse

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<v Speaker 3>any medical intervention which penetrates the cell membrane and could

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<v Speaker 3>thereby alter the genetic structure or function of a cell

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<v Speaker 3>or multiple cells, including the right to be fully informed

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<v Speaker 3>if such as the case. So basically, during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time, with the covid vaccines, mRNA covid vaccines,

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<v Speaker 3>afrozenical vaccines and so on, the medical interventions actually got

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<v Speaker 3>into the part of the cell that controls the entire

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<v Speaker 3>immunity and function of the physiology and altered it. And

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<v Speaker 3>it did sell on a scale that was sufficient to

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<v Speaker 3>affect many aspects of human health. And that was, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we crossed the rubicon. We need to have the right

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<v Speaker 3>to refuse that. And this is not a it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of an intellectual or a philosophical or a moral sort

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<v Speaker 3>of requirement that we're trying to tout here. It's actually

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<v Speaker 3>physiological life begins with one cell and then it multiplies

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<v Speaker 3>and we end up with thirty seven trillion cells.

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<v Speaker 2>Extraordinary, isn't it When you look at those figures for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, second, third, or fifth time, even one

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<v Speaker 2>cell into trillions of.

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<v Speaker 4>Them, and in each cell, in each one of those

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<v Speaker 4>trillions of cells, every day, there are seventy thousand repair

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<v Speaker 4>jobs undertaken to ensure the integrity of that genetic material,

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<v Speaker 4>to ensure it continues to function as designed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a colossal number of repairs that are undertaken very automatically.

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<v Speaker 3>So our physiology is actually designed to protect the genetic

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<v Speaker 3>integrity of the cells, and so any medicine that sets

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<v Speaker 3>out to change that is going is swimming against the

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<v Speaker 3>physiological so to speak. We shouldn't be mandated to undertake

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<v Speaker 3>such a procedure. And that is the essence of the charter.

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<v Speaker 3>And it has a few more clauses. The right to

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<v Speaker 3>full disclosure labeling of any food with genetically modified content

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<v Speaker 3>or food derived from animals who've been subject to genetic modification.

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<v Speaker 3>The right to know if there are biosynthetic substitutes in

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<v Speaker 3>our food for natural ingredients, the right to have seed

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<v Speaker 3>and food uncontaminated by genetically modified ingredients. And actually the

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<v Speaker 3>right to protect the full meaning of the word natural.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's getting bustardized now in the food system is

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<v Speaker 3>the word natural is slapped on food that is not

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<v Speaker 3>natural at all, doesn't come from a plant, doesn't come

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<v Speaker 3>from an animal, comes from a lab.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hold on hold on a thing. How can how

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<v Speaker 2>can I mean the authority seem to be very very

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<v Speaker 2>certain in their demand for accurate reporting when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to such matters from organizations, producers, it, growers, etc. How

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<v Speaker 2>can they get away them with using the word natural when,

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<v Speaker 2>as you say, it's not because.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no legislation governing it. Basically, I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 3>pick up some chocolate and it says natural vanilla flavor,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not coming from a vanilla plant. It's coming from

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<v Speaker 3>a biotech lab. And that's an innovation that's happened in

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<v Speaker 3>the last few years. In twenty seventeen, the government actually

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<v Speaker 3>agreed to the use of three thousand synthetic ingredients in foods,

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<v Speaker 3>and by doing that they sort of opened a flood door,

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<v Speaker 3>not just the three thousand named ingredients, but all kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of other ingredients which are now being put in food.

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<v Speaker 3>Garantine doesn't come from carrots and so on, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>a very longlist. The point here is that what goes

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<v Speaker 3>on in our body is very very precise. There are

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<v Speaker 3>lock and key mechanisms, There are vibratory modes of molecules,

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<v Speaker 3>there are shapes of molecules, all of which are important

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<v Speaker 3>electrical properties and molecules, all of which are very very

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<v Speaker 3>important in the operation of our physiology. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>a matter of comment in all the media these days.

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<v Speaker 3>Ultra processed foods contain materials that are completely different than

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<v Speaker 3>anything we've been eating in our evolutionary history.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let me extend my questioning a little further.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a constant battle between government authority and the

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<v Speaker 2>world of natural supplements, or the world of supplements, shall

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<v Speaker 2>we say, And the supplement world is not infrequently for

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<v Speaker 2>its future against the people who would shut it down.

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<v Speaker 2>How can they do that on one hand, while doing

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<v Speaker 2>while carrying out activity that you've are just covered. On

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<v Speaker 2>the other It is sorry, is it? Because this subject

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<v Speaker 2>matter falls into the same sort of category as numerous

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<v Speaker 2>other matters now, where the public in general doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>have a clue. That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where we come to the collective rights of

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<v Speaker 3>the International Genetic Charter, the right not to be subject

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<v Speaker 3>to advertising, information, or propaganda about biotechnology which exaggerates or

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<v Speaker 3>misrepresents any possible benefits or omits, to discuss the known

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<v Speaker 3>and suspected risks that has been the feature of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 3>That and you see this in articles all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean yesterday, I mean almost every paper carried articles

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<v Speaker 3>about how geneticists have finally worked out how to cure

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<v Speaker 3>irritable bowel syndrome Celiact disease. And if you read the

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<v Speaker 3>scientific paper that they're kind of referring to, there is

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<v Speaker 3>nothing yet on the horizon that is going to cure

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<v Speaker 3>Celiac disease. The reason there's nothing on the horizon is

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<v Speaker 3>of the side effects of what they're trying to develop.

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<v Speaker 3>The side effects are so serious that they can't say

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<v Speaker 3>when or if they'll be able to help the disease.

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<v Speaker 2>What they have found is.

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<v Speaker 3>That there's a single gene that is associated with this

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<v Speaker 3>particular disease, but they haven't worked out how they can

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<v Speaker 3>alter that situation without damaging multiple other functions in the

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<v Speaker 3>human physiology. And to be subjected to articles throughout the

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<v Speaker 3>press saying goodbye Celiac disease that the geneticists have solved

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<v Speaker 3>their problem when they haven't is misrepresentation. And this comes

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<v Speaker 3>out of a publicity machine within Big Farmer that is

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<v Speaker 3>promoting all kinds of activities, investments and potential medicines, experimentation

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<v Speaker 3>on populations, and so on. We have to be protected

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<v Speaker 3>from that. We are protected from a car salesman who's

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<v Speaker 3>misrepresenting his product, but we are not protected from food

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<v Speaker 3>manufacturers and medical intervention sellers big farmer in other words,

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<v Speaker 3>misrepresenting their products. If you buy a dead car it's

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<v Speaker 3>gotsordust and it's geevox, you can go to an authority

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<v Speaker 3>and they can sort it out. You can get your

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<v Speaker 3>money back, and the man maybe band from selling cars.

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<v Speaker 3>But then if you introduce a medicine that kills multiple people,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, getting some kind of justice out of that

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<v Speaker 3>very very hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, right the piece that I read read from it

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, I don't believe I mentioned when it

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<v Speaker 2>was when it was published, because when I read I

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<v Speaker 2>read it this morning, I didn't notice the date, and

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<v Speaker 2>I started reading and I thought, wow, this is very

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<v Speaker 2>good and it's about time the journalists started writing this

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<v Speaker 2>sort of material, because it's time they all woke up.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact is that it was April of last year

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<v Speaker 2>when it was published, and I wondered how it got

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<v Speaker 2>by me because I'm a subscriber to The Australian. I

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<v Speaker 2>wondered how it got by me. But nevertheless, there it

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<v Speaker 2>was written over a year ago, and it's only now

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<v Speaker 2>that the rest of the world seems to be well.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened on Monday On Monday, the third of June

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<v Speaker 3>was that the prestigious British Medical Journal published an article

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<v Speaker 3>Excess mortality across countries in the Western World since the

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<v Speaker 3>COVID nineteen pandemic our world in data estimates of January

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty to December twenty two and in that article

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<v Speaker 3>the British Medical Journal at which the British Medical Journal

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<v Speaker 3>published basically connected the excess deaths to the vaccination program,

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<v Speaker 3>and that in itself is not unique. There have been

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<v Speaker 3>a number of articles which have questioned the safety in

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<v Speaker 3>scientific journals vaccine. But what was unique was that the

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<v Speaker 3>UK Daily Telegraph, that authoritative newspaper headlined after looking through

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<v Speaker 3>the article and analyzing it interviewing experts, COVID vaccination may

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<v Speaker 3>have helped fuel rise in excess deaths. Experts call for

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<v Speaker 3>more research into side effects and possible links to mortality rates.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that the figures in the British Medical Journal article

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<v Speaker 3>point to three point five million excess deaths during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 3>and they point to the fact that this is very

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<v Speaker 3>very basic science that the deaths were more closely linked

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<v Speaker 3>to the introduction of vaccines and the continuation of vaccines

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<v Speaker 3>than they were linked to the incidence of COVID nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>infection itself, and that has opened the floodgates, the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the Telegraph is prepared to publish an article as

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<v Speaker 3>clear as that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you mentioned the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times also, yeah, same week, the New York

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<v Speaker 3>Times admitted that the evidence that COVID came from a

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<v Speaker 3>lab in Wuhan is overwhelming, and that's well worth reading

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<v Speaker 3>a quote from it. It is undeniable that US federal

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<v Speaker 3>funding helped build an unprecedented collection of SARS like viruses

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<v Speaker 3>at the Wuhan Institute, as well as contributing to research

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<v Speaker 3>that enhanced them. And they point to the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>key people working in the lab came down with strange

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<v Speaker 3>illness in autumn twenty nineteen. They pointed out that there

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<v Speaker 3>is no evidence connecting SARS COVID with any particular animal,

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<v Speaker 3>but there is evidence connecting it with the lab and

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<v Speaker 3>so on. It was a very very detailed article and

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<v Speaker 3>really laying out written by a biochemist that really and

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<v Speaker 3>what was a game changing about this. Well, for four years,

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<v Speaker 3>the New York Times has been an unrepentant promoter of

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<v Speaker 3>of the theory that COVID came from animals, And the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they would publish such an article is a

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<v Speaker 3>sign that things have changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, patently, that's true. The Washington Post is going through

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<v Speaker 2>some some house cleaning at the moment, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>a there was a headline oder yesterday with regard to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody as some some senior person addressing the staff, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>probably the CEO, and saying is saying, let's be blunt,

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<v Speaker 2>no one's reading the crap you're writing. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to have a big effect on the Washington Post,

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<v Speaker 2>which is which has long been capable of publishing nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the New York Times is even worse. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to do a bit of history here. You

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<v Speaker 2>go back to Stalin's Russia, then go to Hitler's Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>where The New York Times published lies about what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on in both of those countries at the very

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<v Speaker 2>crucial time when the world should have known. They went

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<v Speaker 2>out of their way to hide the Holocaust for a

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<v Speaker 2>long long time. They've done other things too, like they've

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<v Speaker 2>been involved in Cuba, and they make no apology for it,

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<v Speaker 2>except they did actually with one of those, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was the I think it was the start in one

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<v Speaker 2>whether they ended up apologizing for, but it was only

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<v Speaker 2>only a matter of about ten years ago that they

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<v Speaker 2>got round to doing it. The point I'm making is

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<v Speaker 2>that they actually have a track record of misleading the public.

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<v Speaker 2>And what bothers me and has for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>is that we publish in this country articles from those

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<v Speaker 2>journalists and newspapers which are incredibly wrong at times and

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<v Speaker 2>cover up for all sorts of misdemeanors. Plus but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to quote this from your from your piece the

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<v Speaker 2>long essential read news. HEALN media is not alone in

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<v Speaker 2>their lack of in depth analysis. The UK Daily Mail

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<v Speaker 2>says sleep after a tipple of alcohol while airborne, can

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<v Speaker 2>be fatal and fumes why eating one chip is like

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<v Speaker 2>smoking a cigarette. Also blames low fiber diets for a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden surge in colon cancers. The New York Post agrees

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<v Speaker 2>as it reports cholarectol cancer is rising rapidly among young adults.

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<v Speaker 2>It also reports that a staggering sixty one percent of

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<v Speaker 2>US adults will have cardiovascular disease by twenty to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>if current accelerating trends continue. And by way of explanation,

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<v Speaker 2>it offers becoming a father might be bad for your heart. Comments, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>look at that one.

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<v Speaker 3>A staggering sixty one percent of US adults will have

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<v Speaker 3>cardiovascular disease by twenty to fifty. That gives you an

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<v Speaker 3>idea of the depth of the prop that is unfolding

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<v Speaker 3>in our health system. Is people are not healthy, but

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<v Speaker 3>no one is investigating, and they're coming up journalists, they're

0:23:19.213 --> 0:23:25.893
<v Speaker 3>coming up with these spurious explanations. They're not explanations. If

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<v Speaker 3>something suddenly changes, you can't refer to things that people

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<v Speaker 3>are doing and have been doing for centuries, like eating

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<v Speaker 3>chips or fathering children and so on. You have to

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<v Speaker 3>look at something new. That's basic science. And the fact

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<v Speaker 3>is that excess deaths suddenly accelerated in a number of

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<v Speaker 3>categories neurological illness, cancer, and cardiovascular disease. And they accelerated

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<v Speaker 3>starting in twenty twenty one. Not twenty twenty. Twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>was when we got COVID. Nineteen twenty twenty one was

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<v Speaker 3>when we got the COVID vaccine. And that's what the

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<v Speaker 3>BMJ was pointing out papers have to pick up on

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<v Speaker 3>this this article in the UK Daily Telegraph. Our papers

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<v Speaker 3>often print articles from the UK Daily Telegraph. Why can't

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<v Speaker 3>they print this one saying that excess deaths are linked

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<v Speaker 3>to the vaccine. This is a big issue here in

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<v Speaker 3>New Zealand because we have a small media pool and

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<v Speaker 3>it's growing smaller, and we have just come through a

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<v Speaker 3>period where the government has really been educating or deceiving

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<v Speaker 3>people into believing that the government always tells the truth

0:24:45.973 --> 0:24:49.533
<v Speaker 3>and they shouldn't look elsewhere. This is a big issue

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<v Speaker 3>in this country. That information has been basically withheld and

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<v Speaker 3>we need to move on from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay. That opens the door for me to raise

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<v Speaker 2>the subject of Bluefield and his contribution to the scenario

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<v Speaker 2>that we went through under the Addurn regime and his

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<v Speaker 2>position now at the WHO, and I wonder your sorts

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<v Speaker 2>on his suitability for being in the position that he's in.

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<v Speaker 3>He instituted them arguably the most coercive vaccine mandates of

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<v Speaker 3>any country in the world, and he oversaw them with

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<v Speaker 3>an iron fist and simultaneously exemptions while not being granted

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<v Speaker 3>to the general public, some of whom were very sick

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<v Speaker 3>after having a one vaccine were granted in their thousands

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<v Speaker 3>to Ministry of Health staff. Now that's extraordinary that even today,

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<v Speaker 3>after all the evidence that is coming out, he is

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<v Speaker 3>still calling for almost persecution of anti vaxxers. The head

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<v Speaker 3>of the World Health Organization whose name I can't pronounce

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<v Speaker 3>is are both saying the real problem is anti vaxers.

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<v Speaker 3>They're still saying it, and that's a sort of to

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<v Speaker 3>my mind, considering the evidence that has come out. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a sort of fanaticism. It's not related to the evidence,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's I think very dangerous. It speaks of a

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<v Speaker 3>polarization in society that has been associated with the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 3>and polarized societies are very unstable. I think you just

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<v Speaker 3>have to go back to the evidence, and you have

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<v Speaker 3>to go back to the fundamental principles of the science. Here,

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<v Speaker 3>the fundamental principles of risk management and safety, of assessment

0:27:00.813 --> 0:27:05.773
<v Speaker 3>of what went on and what happened, How did it

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<v Speaker 3>happen that supposedly signed and aerodyte people suddenly became proponents

0:27:11.773 --> 0:27:17.013
<v Speaker 3>of something that wasn't working and was doing harm. And

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<v Speaker 3>fundamentally what was swallowed was the idea that these vaccines

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<v Speaker 3>could not have a wide range of effects, so there

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<v Speaker 3>was a very narrow list of possible effects of the vaccine,

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<v Speaker 3>and the science the people at medsafe looked for that

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<v Speaker 3>very narrow list of possible effects, which did include eventually myocarditis.

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<v Speaker 3>It included things like Bell's palsy, things that were known

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<v Speaker 3>to have happened with previous vaccines. They didn't look at cancers,

0:27:53.293 --> 0:27:57.533
<v Speaker 3>they didn't look at neurological disease, they didn't initially look

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<v Speaker 3>at heart disease, they didn't look at strokes because they

0:28:03.333 --> 0:28:07.493
<v Speaker 3>basically felt that this couldn't it couldn't happen. I'm sure

0:28:07.493 --> 0:28:09.813
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be saying. It was a sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a faith thing. And now people are looking at these

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<v Speaker 3>much wider range of effects, excess deaths and so on,

0:28:19.733 --> 0:28:23.373
<v Speaker 3>the writings on the wall. But people have become so

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<v Speaker 3>stuck in their ideas that they can't change gear. And

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<v Speaker 3>that is the level of thinking that is at the

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<v Speaker 3>top level of the World Health organization.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Yeah, Ted Ross gabriasis, if you want yes, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to you want to practice, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to practice it under the heading of Ted Ross must

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<v Speaker 2>face reality. It would be easier to ignore the World

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<v Speaker 2>Health's Assemblies deliberations in Geneva this week. This is May

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight, but the opening address of the Director General

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<v Speaker 2>ted Ross Gabriesis deserves a response. Bostht. The WHO and

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<v Speaker 2>its director are completely divorcing themselves from reality, illustrating how

0:29:10.013 --> 0:29:13.853
<v Speaker 2>dangerous and unfit for purpose the WHO has become. There

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<v Speaker 2>is clearly no way that any vote should proceed on

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<v Speaker 2>anything of importance that the WHO may be required to

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<v Speaker 2>implement in the coming week of the WHA deliberations, ted

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<v Speaker 2>Ross's emphasis was on pandemics and the faltering agreements intended

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<v Speaker 2>to address their risk, the New Pandemic Agreement and the

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<v Speaker 2>amendments to the International Health Regulation the IHR. While these

0:29:39.973 --> 0:29:43.373
<v Speaker 2>are watered down and the Pandemic Agreement may not even

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<v Speaker 2>get a vote, continued justification for centering greater coordination and

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<v Speaker 2>power at the WHO speaks volumes about the problem we face.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I'll bring it up to date with June four

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<v Speaker 2>from our friend David Bell. Last week, amid fanfare from

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<v Speaker 2>both advocates and opponents of centralization of future pandemic management,

0:30:09.053 --> 0:30:13.853
<v Speaker 2>the world continued its unfortunate stumble back to old fashioned

0:30:13.853 --> 0:30:19.813
<v Speaker 2>public health fascism. The World Health's Assembly, the WHA, adopted

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<v Speaker 2>the package of amendments to the two thousand and five

0:30:22.573 --> 0:30:27.093
<v Speaker 2>International Health Regulations, apparently just hours after a final text

0:30:27.093 --> 0:30:31.893
<v Speaker 2>had been agreed by ITSIHR working group. David Bell wrote

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<v Speaker 2>the first quote that I had. I've just realized the

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<v Speaker 2>amendments were watered down from previous proposals under which countries

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<v Speaker 2>would undertake to place areas of their citizens health and

0:30:42.973 --> 0:30:47.853
<v Speaker 2>human rights under the direction of a single individual in Geneva. Nonetheless,

0:30:48.453 --> 0:30:51.973
<v Speaker 2>they lay vital groundwork for the further subversion of public

0:30:51.973 --> 0:30:57.173
<v Speaker 2>health toward a recurrent but lucrative cycle of fear mongering, suppression,

0:30:57.773 --> 0:31:01.613
<v Speaker 2>and coercion. Now it goes on for five pages, but

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<v Speaker 2>David Bell is extremely good at his task. Having worked

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<v Speaker 2>with the WHO for a number of years, he knows

0:31:09.733 --> 0:31:13.493
<v Speaker 2>that inside out, and that's the approach that he takes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would imagine that you would agree with that

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<v Speaker 2>in every which way.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, it's a centralization of healthcare in the hands of

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<v Speaker 3>someone in a distant country. It's extraordinary. Where is personalized medicineiness,

0:31:33.773 --> 0:31:36.933
<v Speaker 3>Where is the consultation with someone who can help you

0:31:36.973 --> 0:31:42.093
<v Speaker 3>when you're ill. This is dictatorship in the health system,

0:31:42.613 --> 0:31:48.253
<v Speaker 3>and look, how does this work? I again this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Lots of article last week actually about a zempi because

0:31:52.933 --> 0:31:56.093
<v Speaker 3>zempig is that sort of so called miracle weight weight

0:31:56.133 --> 0:32:00.373
<v Speaker 3>loss drug, and its active ingredient is called some eglotide.

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<v Speaker 3>And at a conference in the UK, one of the

0:32:05.933 --> 0:32:09.773
<v Speaker 3>speakers said the maglid tide should be put in the

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<v Speaker 3>water supply. This is the kind of thinking that you

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<v Speaker 3>get once you put someone in charge of everybody's well.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't that supposed to be humorous or of something?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it wasn't. It wasn't humorous because subsequent speakers started

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about enforcing the use of a zenpic in

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<v Speaker 3>the or otherwise there are other versions of it, Wegavie

0:32:37.493 --> 0:32:42.973
<v Speaker 3>and so on, butied and coercing people to take it,

0:32:43.533 --> 0:32:48.893
<v Speaker 3>and talking about how being overweight was so unhealthy. It

0:32:48.933 --> 0:32:53.773
<v Speaker 3>was being overweight as associated with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, mental illness,

0:32:53.773 --> 0:32:59.133
<v Speaker 3>cardiovascular disease, cancer, and you name it. So therefore we

0:32:59.173 --> 0:33:02.253
<v Speaker 3>should just enforce the use of something that takes away

0:33:02.293 --> 0:33:05.253
<v Speaker 3>your appetite, that actually interacts with your brain. How does

0:33:05.293 --> 0:33:10.253
<v Speaker 3>some egnotide work and interacts with your brain to alter

0:33:10.453 --> 0:33:15.413
<v Speaker 3>your appetite. So this is a kind of discussion that

0:33:15.573 --> 0:33:20.853
<v Speaker 3>is going on now in terms of public health, and

0:33:20.933 --> 0:33:23.693
<v Speaker 3>the problem with it is, of course the side effects

0:33:23.693 --> 0:33:27.773
<v Speaker 3>which we I've discussed at at great length, kidney damage

0:33:28.213 --> 0:33:37.413
<v Speaker 3>and again coming off semeglotide very problematic. Once you're on it,

0:33:37.453 --> 0:33:39.533
<v Speaker 3>you're on it, and if you come off it, then

0:33:39.573 --> 0:33:43.773
<v Speaker 3>you've got a whole range of problems that emerge in physiology.

0:33:44.213 --> 0:33:49.253
<v Speaker 3>Why are people talking like this that when really there

0:33:49.253 --> 0:33:54.813
<v Speaker 3>are very simple solutions to being overweight. There are dietary

0:33:55.173 --> 0:33:58.733
<v Speaker 3>and exercise solutions that really do work that haven't got

0:33:58.733 --> 0:34:00.213
<v Speaker 3>any side effects.

0:34:01.173 --> 0:34:03.933
<v Speaker 2>I can only say to you that, having spent a

0:34:03.973 --> 0:34:07.613
<v Speaker 2>long time in talk radio, the number of times that

0:34:08.133 --> 0:34:12.933
<v Speaker 2>the subject came up for one reason or another was

0:34:13.053 --> 0:34:17.053
<v Speaker 2>countless over the decades. And I'll give you an example,

0:34:17.733 --> 0:34:22.613
<v Speaker 2>the suggestion that heavier people should pay more for an

0:34:22.693 --> 0:34:26.053
<v Speaker 2>aeroplane ticket, they should be checked in like baggage. Some

0:34:26.093 --> 0:34:29.373
<v Speaker 2>people took decide that it's not their fault that they're fat,

0:34:30.053 --> 0:34:34.053
<v Speaker 2>whereas other people, of course were very condemnatory the fact

0:34:34.093 --> 0:34:37.893
<v Speaker 2>that you're not. It's not your fault that your fat is,

0:34:38.453 --> 0:34:42.773
<v Speaker 2>as I understand it, an acceptable reason for being overweight

0:34:43.293 --> 0:34:46.933
<v Speaker 2>in some circumstances. Don't ask me to explain. It's just

0:34:46.973 --> 0:34:50.213
<v Speaker 2>something I picked up along the way. But you're quite

0:34:50.293 --> 0:34:52.933
<v Speaker 2>right that if you've got if you've got a weight problem,

0:34:53.013 --> 0:34:54.573
<v Speaker 2>there is a way of addressing it.

0:34:55.253 --> 0:34:59.093
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's a patch or covers an awful lot

0:34:59.093 --> 0:35:02.493
<v Speaker 3>of conditions. People are overweight for an awful lot of reasons.

0:35:02.733 --> 0:35:07.053
<v Speaker 3>But at its route, it's fairly easy to control. Naturally,

0:35:07.853 --> 0:35:10.413
<v Speaker 3>it shouldn't We shouldn't move on to a sort of

0:35:10.533 --> 0:35:15.413
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty four society where the government is mandating all

0:35:15.533 --> 0:35:19.373
<v Speaker 3>sorts of procedures on the population. It brings me to

0:35:19.613 --> 0:35:24.333
<v Speaker 3>another point. Actually, there was a very interesting paper in

0:35:24.733 --> 0:35:32.893
<v Speaker 3>the journal Transplantology entitled Personality Changes associated with Organ Transplants,

0:35:34.053 --> 0:35:36.373
<v Speaker 3>which was published about a month ago.

0:35:37.093 --> 0:35:39.013
<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of.

0:35:38.973 --> 0:35:42.093
<v Speaker 3>Well known that when people have a heart transplant that

0:35:42.173 --> 0:35:48.093
<v Speaker 3>they can suffer personality changes. And this study didn't just

0:35:48.173 --> 0:35:53.773
<v Speaker 3>look at heart, it looks at all organs, all organ transplants.

0:35:54.493 --> 0:35:57.493
<v Speaker 3>And in the study it found that eighty seven percent

0:35:57.573 --> 0:36:02.253
<v Speaker 3>of the subjects experience marked unusual changes that challenge their behavior,

0:36:02.373 --> 0:36:07.373
<v Speaker 3>sense of identity, and personal preferences following the transplant, and

0:36:07.493 --> 0:36:12.373
<v Speaker 3>that when investigated more closely. They found that the kind

0:36:12.413 --> 0:36:17.973
<v Speaker 3>of personality changes that the people experienced were related to

0:36:18.093 --> 0:36:22.173
<v Speaker 3>the people who were doning usually deceased of course, people

0:36:22.173 --> 0:36:26.493
<v Speaker 3>who were doning the organs. And this was a very

0:36:27.133 --> 0:36:31.973
<v Speaker 3>unexpected result. People have sort of accepted the heart, you know,

0:36:32.173 --> 0:36:35.373
<v Speaker 3>maybe people's heart has changed, their behavior has changed. But

0:36:36.013 --> 0:36:39.013
<v Speaker 3>how does that happen? And while there were three, there

0:36:39.013 --> 0:36:43.453
<v Speaker 3>are three sort of explanations. One is psychological centered around

0:36:43.693 --> 0:36:47.213
<v Speaker 3>magical thinking, the belief that certain words, thoughts, emotions, or

0:36:47.333 --> 0:36:50.813
<v Speaker 3>ritual behaviors imprint themselves on the world around us, but

0:36:50.933 --> 0:36:55.213
<v Speaker 3>it's rather vague. The other one was that there were

0:36:55.493 --> 0:37:01.733
<v Speaker 3>electric electromagnetic field ideas about transplant trait transfer, but they

0:37:01.773 --> 0:37:04.413
<v Speaker 3>related more to the heart, which does have a big

0:37:04.493 --> 0:37:11.253
<v Speaker 3>electrical feel. The third type of nation involves the possible

0:37:11.373 --> 0:37:16.453
<v Speaker 3>storage of memories in cells, including their epigenetic DNAAR and

0:37:16.533 --> 0:37:20.773
<v Speaker 3>A or protein components, and it was it was this

0:37:21.773 --> 0:37:26.293
<v Speaker 3>hypothesis that fits the facts of this study. It suggests

0:37:26.333 --> 0:37:31.493
<v Speaker 3>that all living cells contain memory, meaning that history and

0:37:31.533 --> 0:37:34.573
<v Speaker 3>hence future actions can be passed on from a donor

0:37:34.613 --> 0:37:39.133
<v Speaker 3>to the transplant issue via this to the transplant recipient

0:37:39.213 --> 0:37:40.893
<v Speaker 3>via this tissue that they get.

0:37:41.693 --> 0:37:42.613
<v Speaker 2>So what does this mean?

0:37:43.933 --> 0:37:48.653
<v Speaker 3>What it points to is a huge deficiency in our

0:37:48.733 --> 0:37:54.653
<v Speaker 3>knowledge of how genetics works. So far biotechnology biology has

0:37:54.733 --> 0:37:59.373
<v Speaker 3>really tried to discard consciousness from the discussion and from

0:37:59.373 --> 0:38:04.573
<v Speaker 3>the science. But this points to a very tight intimate

0:38:04.653 --> 0:38:11.773
<v Speaker 3>relationship between consciousness, memory, and cellular genetic activity. This is

0:38:11.813 --> 0:38:16.773
<v Speaker 3>a bombshell finding because if you are, if you are

0:38:17.493 --> 0:38:21.733
<v Speaker 3>as as is happening embarking on a whole new range

0:38:21.773 --> 0:38:25.973
<v Speaker 3>of so called genetic medication, how are you going to

0:38:25.973 --> 0:38:31.413
<v Speaker 3>affect people's consciousness? And that's really a huge red flag.

0:38:32.053 --> 0:38:36.373
<v Speaker 3>The implication is obvious biotech interventions that cross the cell

0:38:36.493 --> 0:38:41.573
<v Speaker 3>membrane and insert cellular genetic material like gene therapies, DNA

0:38:41.653 --> 0:38:45.373
<v Speaker 3>and our mRNA vaccines, gain of function, viral material, etc.

0:38:47.053 --> 0:38:50.173
<v Speaker 3>Are even more risky than it has been imagined by

0:38:50.213 --> 0:38:54.693
<v Speaker 3>anyone to date. They could be editing what makes us human.

0:38:55.373 --> 0:38:58.853
<v Speaker 3>This is, you know, incredible. I've written an article about

0:38:58.853 --> 0:39:04.133
<v Speaker 3>it which has gone very widely. And when you look

0:39:04.293 --> 0:39:10.653
<v Speaker 3>at the COVID pandemic or the mRNA vaccine, they actually

0:39:10.733 --> 0:39:14.453
<v Speaker 3>start to influence the physiology on a scale that's commensurate

0:39:14.533 --> 0:39:19.053
<v Speaker 3>with organ size. For example, It's estimated there are as

0:39:19.093 --> 0:39:23.573
<v Speaker 3>many as ten billion COVID varyons present during peak COVID infection,

0:39:24.413 --> 0:39:28.373
<v Speaker 3>and each COVID shot contains trillions of the m RNA molecules,

0:39:28.893 --> 0:39:32.013
<v Speaker 3>which changed the genetic operation of billions of cells. Well,

0:39:32.013 --> 0:39:35.453
<v Speaker 3>a human liver contains around two hundred and forty billion

0:39:35.573 --> 0:39:39.573
<v Speaker 3>cells and a kidney far fewer. So COVID infection and

0:39:39.733 --> 0:39:43.293
<v Speaker 3>mRNA vaccine technology are just in the right ballpark to

0:39:43.533 --> 0:39:48.093
<v Speaker 3>influence our psychological and behavioral profile. That's a huge red

0:39:48.133 --> 0:39:52.693
<v Speaker 3>flag area that we don't know anything about. The people

0:39:52.733 --> 0:39:57.893
<v Speaker 3>haven't studied. And then here where we're faced with a

0:39:57.933 --> 0:40:03.973
<v Speaker 3>pandemic that certainly has affected this the social consciousness of

0:40:04.013 --> 0:40:08.613
<v Speaker 3>the world. There's been widespread polarization of ideas. There have

0:40:08.693 --> 0:40:13.413
<v Speaker 3>been the proliferation of extreme ideas. Have we been changing

0:40:13.453 --> 0:40:16.413
<v Speaker 3>the way people think? I want to New York Times

0:40:16.413 --> 0:40:17.413
<v Speaker 3>thinks we might have been.

0:40:17.613 --> 0:40:20.413
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would have run something past you. Just as

0:40:20.413 --> 0:40:24.133
<v Speaker 2>a matter of interest, What if we discovered what if

0:40:24.133 --> 0:40:30.613
<v Speaker 2>it was discovered that every one of us, within our

0:40:30.893 --> 0:40:37.733
<v Speaker 2>genetic system carries the history of our world, our ancestors.

0:40:38.693 --> 0:40:41.893
<v Speaker 2>I don't know quite how to frame it, but going

0:40:41.973 --> 0:40:45.013
<v Speaker 2>right back to I mean, my mother traced the family

0:40:45.413 --> 0:40:49.133
<v Speaker 2>family back to trying to think who it was now,

0:40:49.133 --> 0:40:53.053
<v Speaker 2>but somebody very famous in England, some military person in

0:40:53.093 --> 0:40:59.533
<v Speaker 2>England centuries ago. What if if those genes have affected

0:40:59.813 --> 0:41:05.173
<v Speaker 2>or have carried forth through the generations, and that I

0:41:05.493 --> 0:41:09.893
<v Speaker 2>or you or whoever all of us have them, have

0:41:10.013 --> 0:41:14.133
<v Speaker 2>the memories embedded in our system, we just don't know

0:41:14.173 --> 0:41:16.573
<v Speaker 2>how to find them.

0:41:16.773 --> 0:41:22.013
<v Speaker 3>Well, certainly the memories of the illnesses that are ancests

0:41:22.053 --> 0:41:24.093
<v Speaker 3>has suffered are embedded in our genes.

0:41:24.093 --> 0:41:24.973
<v Speaker 2>That we do know.

0:41:26.533 --> 0:41:31.093
<v Speaker 3>That the diet, there's an ardguy read recently your grandparents

0:41:31.213 --> 0:41:33.733
<v Speaker 3>diet could still be affecting you and your kid's health

0:41:34.133 --> 0:41:38.493
<v Speaker 3>because that's the whole field of epigenetics. So genes definitely,

0:41:38.533 --> 0:41:42.133
<v Speaker 3>and this is now just ordinary science. Genes definitely store

0:41:42.173 --> 0:41:47.533
<v Speaker 3>all the information about past diseases and so on. But

0:41:48.133 --> 0:41:52.253
<v Speaker 3>is it more than that? Yes, And that's that's the

0:41:52.373 --> 0:41:54.813
<v Speaker 3>question that you know, people have not asked.

0:41:54.853 --> 0:41:56.373
<v Speaker 2>Now. It's ridiculous.

0:41:57.013 --> 0:42:03.013
<v Speaker 3>In you know, my original field of study, theoretical physics.

0:42:03.053 --> 0:42:07.133
<v Speaker 3>At the turn of the of the last century, you

0:42:07.893 --> 0:42:12.493
<v Speaker 3>physics had to admit consciousness into its fundamental theories. The

0:42:12.613 --> 0:42:17.773
<v Speaker 3>observer is an integral part of the universe. How is

0:42:17.813 --> 0:42:23.573
<v Speaker 3>it that biology has excluded consciousness? Whereas you know, if

0:42:23.613 --> 0:42:27.853
<v Speaker 3>there's one thing that defines a living system, it is consciousness.

0:42:28.933 --> 0:42:33.813
<v Speaker 3>How have we left that out and relegated it in

0:42:33.813 --> 0:42:36.133
<v Speaker 3>the sense to the field of psychology. It should be

0:42:36.173 --> 0:42:41.573
<v Speaker 3>there in biology. And this is something that really I've

0:42:41.613 --> 0:42:46.093
<v Speaker 3>talked a lot about and written a lot about, is

0:42:46.133 --> 0:42:53.213
<v Speaker 3>that intimate relationship between biology and consciousness, between mind and body.

0:42:53.733 --> 0:43:00.413
<v Speaker 3>And as we become more invasive in our medical interventions,

0:43:00.493 --> 0:43:04.573
<v Speaker 3>we have potentially more damaging effects on the psychology. And

0:43:05.093 --> 0:43:11.493
<v Speaker 3>again it's a part of mainstream publishing that almost all

0:43:11.733 --> 0:43:15.693
<v Speaker 3>medications do affect consciousness in some way or another. If

0:43:15.693 --> 0:43:19.333
<v Speaker 3>you're going to get into that level of genetic organization,

0:43:20.333 --> 0:43:25.973
<v Speaker 3>which then you're going to affect the psychology, and how

0:43:26.013 --> 0:43:29.173
<v Speaker 3>does that work? As we started out with this interview,

0:43:29.333 --> 0:43:34.533
<v Speaker 3>the body protects the uniformity of genetic intervention. If we're

0:43:34.533 --> 0:43:40.053
<v Speaker 3>going to change that uniformity of genetic information, what are

0:43:40.093 --> 0:43:44.173
<v Speaker 3>we changing. We don't know, because we don't know exactly

0:43:44.213 --> 0:43:52.693
<v Speaker 3>how higher human emotions and values emerge from or are

0:43:52.733 --> 0:43:58.373
<v Speaker 3>supported by our genetics. These are questions that no one

0:43:58.413 --> 0:44:01.533
<v Speaker 3>has answered, and this opens up This is the world

0:44:01.613 --> 0:44:06.853
<v Speaker 3>that we're discovering now with this mass vaccination, we're starting

0:44:06.893 --> 0:44:10.453
<v Speaker 3>to discover has it changed the world that we live in?

0:44:10.573 --> 0:44:13.893
<v Speaker 3>And I think you talk to almost anyone and they'll

0:44:13.933 --> 0:44:16.493
<v Speaker 3>tell you the pandemic changed the world that we lived in.

0:44:16.933 --> 0:44:21.973
<v Speaker 2>Really quite extraordinary. I've seen no reference to anything like

0:44:22.013 --> 0:44:26.493
<v Speaker 2>that elsewhere. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, especially in some

0:44:26.533 --> 0:44:30.333
<v Speaker 2>of the journals. But now that you raise it, I

0:44:31.573 --> 0:44:34.093
<v Speaker 2>guess there is certainly room for speculation.

0:44:35.213 --> 0:44:37.733
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's room for speculation, and there's room for a

0:44:37.853 --> 0:44:40.333
<v Speaker 3>search too, and there's room to open doors that have

0:44:40.413 --> 0:44:42.973
<v Speaker 3>remained firmly closed for no good reason.

0:44:43.773 --> 0:44:48.173
<v Speaker 2>Well, that takes me back to the media. The media

0:44:48.213 --> 0:44:51.973
<v Speaker 2>has failed in its job over a number of you,

0:44:52.173 --> 0:44:55.253
<v Speaker 2>over a couple of decades, at the very least in

0:44:55.973 --> 0:45:01.933
<v Speaker 2>refusing to entertain any any ideas apart from whatever the

0:45:02.053 --> 0:45:05.693
<v Speaker 2>particular mandated ideas might be at a given time. And

0:45:05.733 --> 0:45:07.853
<v Speaker 2>we've had more than more than one of them.

0:45:08.773 --> 0:45:11.893
<v Speaker 3>So easy to poke fun at the at the media,

0:45:12.813 --> 0:45:15.373
<v Speaker 3>but very difficult to get them to change their.

0:45:16.853 --> 0:45:24.053
<v Speaker 2>What do we do late? It's an interesting Well. I

0:45:24.453 --> 0:45:28.093
<v Speaker 2>just think that there is quite a deal of revelation

0:45:28.693 --> 0:45:32.933
<v Speaker 2>taking place at the moment. With regard to various various

0:45:32.973 --> 0:45:37.373
<v Speaker 2>things that are important in all our lives worldwide, this

0:45:37.573 --> 0:45:41.213
<v Speaker 2>is this is one of them. The handling of the

0:45:41.293 --> 0:45:46.013
<v Speaker 2>of the pandemic was atrocious, and I think we well,

0:45:46.133 --> 0:45:47.293
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, I think we all know

0:45:47.413 --> 0:45:50.333
<v Speaker 2>that now, but we don't because there are people who

0:45:50.373 --> 0:45:53.333
<v Speaker 2>don't want to even confront it. There's the climate matter.

0:45:53.693 --> 0:45:57.613
<v Speaker 2>There are other things, and there are wars, and the wars.

0:45:57.693 --> 0:46:00.973
<v Speaker 2>The wars might be a very good example at this

0:46:01.013 --> 0:46:05.213
<v Speaker 2>point of time, for instance, this is a slightly different

0:46:05.373 --> 0:46:09.373
<v Speaker 2>different perspective. How long is the is war been going on?

0:46:10.893 --> 0:46:18.333
<v Speaker 2>Thousands of years? Exactly? Exactly? How much do we know

0:46:18.453 --> 0:46:21.933
<v Speaker 2>about those thousands of years? The majority of people haven't

0:46:21.933 --> 0:46:24.853
<v Speaker 2>got a clue, And kids who are going through school

0:46:24.853 --> 0:46:27.613
<v Speaker 2>now have no clue whatsoever, So they take to the

0:46:27.613 --> 0:46:32.533
<v Speaker 2>streets because they're so stupidly ignorant. And whose fault is that, Well,

0:46:32.653 --> 0:46:35.413
<v Speaker 2>you can only say that that's the fault of adults,

0:46:36.013 --> 0:46:41.493
<v Speaker 2>because they before them haven't followed any enlightening path. But

0:46:41.533 --> 0:46:47.493
<v Speaker 2>there are other things. The Ukrainian War, they've been going

0:46:47.493 --> 0:46:50.973
<v Speaker 2>what is it four years? Four years they've been fighting this.

0:46:50.933 --> 0:46:54.533
<v Speaker 3>War again, it's an endless war because you go back

0:46:54.533 --> 0:46:56.733
<v Speaker 3>to the Second World War and the Germans and the

0:46:56.813 --> 0:47:01.613
<v Speaker 3>Russians fought over Karkiff in the Second World War, but

0:47:01.773 --> 0:47:05.573
<v Speaker 3>absolutely vicious fighting went on in exactly the same place

0:47:05.613 --> 0:47:10.253
<v Speaker 3>that's going on today. These wars a result of stress.

0:47:11.293 --> 0:47:17.733
<v Speaker 3>When stress builds up, then it erupts into conflict. So

0:47:18.093 --> 0:47:22.613
<v Speaker 3>very high levels of stress are followed by polarization, and

0:47:22.933 --> 0:47:28.293
<v Speaker 3>war follows on after polarization. And there are historically we're

0:47:28.333 --> 0:47:34.693
<v Speaker 3>talking here about past events being stored in the physiology. Well,

0:47:34.933 --> 0:47:38.573
<v Speaker 3>certainly these events are stored in some kind of sense

0:47:39.013 --> 0:47:43.773
<v Speaker 3>within cultural groups and just continue on. And that's why

0:47:43.853 --> 0:47:48.133
<v Speaker 3>I've been a big fan of meditation, because meditation releases stress.

0:47:48.853 --> 0:47:52.493
<v Speaker 3>It's very important that we have ways to release stress

0:47:52.533 --> 0:47:56.693
<v Speaker 3>in society. There's otherwise it's going to break out in war.

0:47:57.573 --> 0:48:00.213
<v Speaker 3>It's not acceptable war.

0:48:00.373 --> 0:48:00.693
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:48:01.653 --> 0:48:04.653
<v Speaker 3>I know people are talking about talking about nuclear war

0:48:05.133 --> 0:48:07.733
<v Speaker 3>as if it's somehow something that can be survived.

0:48:08.493 --> 0:48:08.973
<v Speaker 2>It can't.

0:48:09.293 --> 0:48:13.293
<v Speaker 3>So level stress are very important that they are controlled

0:48:14.653 --> 0:48:17.973
<v Speaker 3>in ways that are helpful and nourishing.

0:48:19.293 --> 0:48:24.373
<v Speaker 2>Now this the article, the long essential read. The dam

0:48:24.493 --> 0:48:28.053
<v Speaker 2>is breaking, the biotech bubble is Bursting is something that

0:48:28.093 --> 0:48:32.853
<v Speaker 2>I would encourage everybody to read. That's not all, of course,

0:48:32.893 --> 0:48:36.373
<v Speaker 2>because there is the there is the other matter of

0:48:36.413 --> 0:48:40.053
<v Speaker 2>the International Genetic Charter, of course, and both of them

0:48:40.453 --> 0:48:43.693
<v Speaker 2>are important. But would I be wrong in saying that

0:48:44.013 --> 0:48:47.333
<v Speaker 2>long essential read the dam is breaking is the one

0:48:47.333 --> 0:48:52.053
<v Speaker 2>that's dominant. Yeah, No, I think that's that's fine, all right?

0:48:52.653 --> 0:48:56.773
<v Speaker 2>What a quote from it. Eight years before the COVID

0:48:56.853 --> 0:49:00.333
<v Speaker 2>nineteen pandemic, scientists knew about the risk of an accidental

0:49:00.533 --> 0:49:04.733
<v Speaker 2>or deliberate release of a new version of SARS covid ie,

0:49:05.693 --> 0:49:08.293
<v Speaker 2>and they also knew that the disease had an un

0:49:08.413 --> 0:49:16.053
<v Speaker 2>usual feature vaccines made the symptoms worse. Yet, somehow, biotechnologists

0:49:16.053 --> 0:49:18.613
<v Speaker 2>in both the West and the East decided to initiate

0:49:18.733 --> 0:49:22.493
<v Speaker 2>gain of function research, which developed more virulent types of

0:49:22.533 --> 0:49:26.053
<v Speaker 2>coronavirus upon its escape from a lab. They forced the

0:49:26.053 --> 0:49:29.653
<v Speaker 2>widespread use of a range of novel biotech COVID vaccines

0:49:30.133 --> 0:49:35.213
<v Speaker 2>on the public, following minimal and obviously inadequate safety testing,

0:49:35.853 --> 0:49:38.933
<v Speaker 2>as though we were a bunch of rats to be

0:49:39.013 --> 0:49:44.333
<v Speaker 2>experimented on while mad people tried to play god. Given

0:49:44.493 --> 0:49:48.093
<v Speaker 2>what was already known to science, none of this makes

0:49:48.133 --> 0:49:53.733
<v Speaker 2>any sense unless there was a much darker motivation or

0:49:53.773 --> 0:49:58.413
<v Speaker 2>plural motivations somewhere in play you want to expand on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what has happened is that there was a

0:50:04.613 --> 0:50:10.133
<v Speaker 3>belief that somehow genes and gene research was going to

0:50:10.173 --> 0:50:14.173
<v Speaker 3>fix everything that was wrong with the human race, and

0:50:14.213 --> 0:50:18.573
<v Speaker 3>the people who developed gene editing, Chris Burr and so on,

0:50:19.213 --> 0:50:24.893
<v Speaker 3>really started to talk in almost kind of religious terms

0:50:25.533 --> 0:50:30.493
<v Speaker 3>about the new era of mankind. How they managed to

0:50:30.533 --> 0:50:35.253
<v Speaker 3>do that if they look through the preceding publication, I mean,

0:50:35.373 --> 0:50:39.013
<v Speaker 3>like this particular paper that you've just referred to. It

0:50:39.093 --> 0:50:43.813
<v Speaker 3>was published in twenty twelve, Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines

0:50:43.933 --> 0:50:48.533
<v Speaker 3>leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus.

0:50:49.293 --> 0:50:53.533
<v Speaker 3>They were ignoring what it should not have been ignored.

0:50:53.653 --> 0:50:57.893
<v Speaker 3>They were ignoring the failure of gene therapy trials, the

0:50:57.933 --> 0:51:00.973
<v Speaker 3>fact that people were dying in gene therapy trials and

0:51:01.013 --> 0:51:07.053
<v Speaker 3>still are. They were ignoring obvious risks, but they were

0:51:07.093 --> 0:51:13.293
<v Speaker 3>putting out this so of quas a religious philosophy, that

0:51:13.813 --> 0:51:17.613
<v Speaker 3>this is the era when we'll live long, will live healthy,

0:51:18.573 --> 0:51:23.933
<v Speaker 3>and we'll have genes that where everything is fixed. And

0:51:23.973 --> 0:51:27.853
<v Speaker 3>there was no basis to make such claims they should

0:51:27.893 --> 0:51:30.453
<v Speaker 3>have looked at the science and realized there were problems.

0:51:31.693 --> 0:51:34.973
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's frightening. Actually this paper in twenty twelve,

0:51:35.013 --> 0:51:39.973
<v Speaker 3>which clearly spells out the fact that there will probably

0:51:40.053 --> 0:51:47.413
<v Speaker 3>be another coronavirus epidemic and we should be careful because

0:51:47.573 --> 0:51:51.053
<v Speaker 3>vaccines are going to make it worse. It spelled out

0:51:51.093 --> 0:51:55.653
<v Speaker 3>in black and white. Sort of frightening that we then

0:51:55.773 --> 0:51:58.933
<v Speaker 3>suddenly entered into an era where, according to the New

0:51:59.013 --> 0:52:05.173
<v Speaker 3>York Times investigation in Wuhan, they literally developed using gain

0:52:05.213 --> 0:52:09.213
<v Speaker 3>and function, thousands of versions of coronavirus that were stored

0:52:09.293 --> 0:52:13.333
<v Speaker 3>in a B two level lab. B two level is

0:52:13.373 --> 0:52:18.493
<v Speaker 3>a very low level of security in the lab of biosecurity.

0:52:19.133 --> 0:52:22.613
<v Speaker 3>It should have been be four level. Well, it shouldn't

0:52:22.613 --> 0:52:27.333
<v Speaker 3>have happened at all. It was madness, but it happened

0:52:27.333 --> 0:52:31.293
<v Speaker 3>in a lab with a low level of biosecurity. Unbelievable

0:52:31.733 --> 0:52:36.853
<v Speaker 3>that that would happen, and unbelievable that the perpetrators, the

0:52:36.933 --> 0:52:40.053
<v Speaker 3>people who were helping and funding and designing it in

0:52:40.173 --> 0:52:45.653
<v Speaker 3>both China and the West, people like FACCI and DAZAC

0:52:45.773 --> 0:52:49.173
<v Speaker 3>and so on, that they would then try to hide

0:52:49.213 --> 0:52:55.253
<v Speaker 3>what they'd done, that they would then do everything to

0:52:55.293 --> 0:52:58.453
<v Speaker 3>obfuscate the issue and make people believe it had come

0:52:58.533 --> 0:53:01.653
<v Speaker 3>from animals where they knew very well what had been

0:53:01.733 --> 0:53:02.773
<v Speaker 3>going on in that lab.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you agree or argue otherwise that how she should

0:53:07.293 --> 0:53:10.493
<v Speaker 2>be behind both. There are.

0:53:11.813 --> 0:53:18.733
<v Speaker 3>Millions of biotechnologists around the world doing risky research. Right

0:53:19.773 --> 0:53:21.893
<v Speaker 3>you could put one or two of them behind bars

0:53:22.533 --> 0:53:24.853
<v Speaker 3>the work pertas of the worst of vendors. But there

0:53:24.933 --> 0:53:29.613
<v Speaker 3>are millions of people around the world every day these

0:53:30.213 --> 0:53:37.333
<v Speaker 3>days doing risky research on serious illnesses, and the biosecurity

0:53:37.573 --> 0:53:41.453
<v Speaker 3>is just not there, and that is why there is

0:53:41.493 --> 0:53:46.773
<v Speaker 3>a need for an international Genetic Charter to protect us

0:53:47.493 --> 0:53:51.653
<v Speaker 3>from this madness that has overtaken the entire world. There

0:53:51.693 --> 0:53:55.773
<v Speaker 3>are thousands of labs all over the world and they're

0:53:55.773 --> 0:53:59.213
<v Speaker 3>in all kinds of countries. They get almost every country now,

0:53:59.373 --> 0:54:04.893
<v Speaker 3>including New Zealand fields. It's very important to have research

0:54:05.053 --> 0:54:10.173
<v Speaker 3>labs doing research on very serious illnesses, and mistakes are

0:54:10.253 --> 0:54:14.053
<v Speaker 3>absolutely inevitable. Again, you look at the published research that

0:54:14.093 --> 0:54:18.093
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of research on how safe these labs are.

0:54:18.133 --> 0:54:24.933
<v Speaker 3>They're not safe. Escapes are normal. Fortunately, most escape material

0:54:25.093 --> 0:54:29.653
<v Speaker 3>sort of gets eaten up in the environment, but occasionally

0:54:29.693 --> 0:54:34.133
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't and now we're multiplying what's going on. So

0:54:34.213 --> 0:54:38.053
<v Speaker 3>the solution is not to pick one villain here, but

0:54:38.173 --> 0:54:41.613
<v Speaker 3>it's to look at a system and regulate it properly.

0:54:42.693 --> 0:54:46.373
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing I can find to be critical of in

0:54:46.413 --> 0:54:50.453
<v Speaker 2>what you've said, apart from the last sentence about picking

0:54:50.493 --> 0:54:54.453
<v Speaker 2>on one. You've got to start somewhere, and it is

0:54:54.573 --> 0:54:58.093
<v Speaker 2>now patently obvious. Well, I guess you'd say, I guess

0:54:58.133 --> 0:55:01.133
<v Speaker 2>you could say it's been proven that fault she lied

0:55:01.333 --> 0:55:05.373
<v Speaker 2>and lied and lied over the activities that he was

0:55:05.413 --> 0:55:07.933
<v Speaker 2>involved in, what they were up to and tried to

0:55:07.973 --> 0:55:10.613
<v Speaker 2>cover up up. To me, there's only one answer to that,

0:55:10.733 --> 0:55:15.253
<v Speaker 2>and that's some that that charges and a child term.

0:55:15.973 --> 0:55:18.493
<v Speaker 3>I may come to that, but you know, I've got

0:55:18.493 --> 0:55:21.773
<v Speaker 3>to realize that America has a trillion dollar biotechnology and

0:55:22.533 --> 0:55:27.653
<v Speaker 3>industry that it has that the Biden administration is putting

0:55:27.653 --> 0:55:31.253
<v Speaker 3>at the center of its economic strategy going into the

0:55:32.373 --> 0:55:36.493
<v Speaker 3>next decade. Are they going to put one of the

0:55:36.613 --> 0:55:38.573
<v Speaker 3>architects of this up on trial?

0:55:39.493 --> 0:55:45.213
<v Speaker 2>But Tauci and Tauci and and others were doing illegal things.

0:55:46.013 --> 0:55:50.893
<v Speaker 3>Yeah they were, absolutely they were. But you know, look

0:55:50.933 --> 0:55:53.933
<v Speaker 3>at politics today. Isn't the essence of politics to lie

0:55:53.973 --> 0:55:57.773
<v Speaker 3>as much as you can get away with. And I'm

0:55:57.813 --> 0:56:02.213
<v Speaker 3>afraid this has come into science now. I'm only trying

0:56:02.253 --> 0:56:07.813
<v Speaker 3>to be what, just trying to say that it's will

0:56:07.813 --> 0:56:13.373
<v Speaker 3>it happen and express some outrage that there is no

0:56:14.053 --> 0:56:19.933
<v Speaker 3>accountability here in a vast enterprise. Where are the parallels

0:56:19.933 --> 0:56:22.253
<v Speaker 3>to this kind of enterprise. I'm afraid we're going to

0:56:22.293 --> 0:56:25.213
<v Speaker 3>have to use go back to things that you said,

0:56:26.013 --> 0:56:32.573
<v Speaker 3>you know, Stalinis, Russia, or or Hitler's Germany, where vast

0:56:32.853 --> 0:56:38.653
<v Speaker 3>enterprises where millions of people are complicit. And that's the

0:56:38.733 --> 0:56:41.973
<v Speaker 3>situation that we're in, only it's not confined to one country.

0:56:42.013 --> 0:56:47.573
<v Speaker 3>It's it's global. We're in a globalist world and we

0:56:47.773 --> 0:56:51.013
<v Speaker 3>have to work out how to proceed from here. And

0:56:51.093 --> 0:56:54.453
<v Speaker 3>I have ideas about that, but that's another it's probably

0:56:54.493 --> 0:56:55.773
<v Speaker 3>another podcast.

0:56:56.493 --> 0:57:03.973
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I'll make note of that. There is something

0:57:04.013 --> 0:57:07.653
<v Speaker 2>I would have raise with you. Just finally. It's to

0:57:07.653 --> 0:57:13.973
<v Speaker 2>do with science, But it's a different matter. Who confirms

0:57:14.053 --> 0:57:18.733
<v Speaker 2>bird flu death in Mexico? As trust the science experts

0:57:18.893 --> 0:57:26.133
<v Speaker 2>want to test America's forty million cows. Somebody told me

0:57:26.173 --> 0:57:29.653
<v Speaker 2>the other day that as far as the bird flu

0:57:29.733 --> 0:57:31.813
<v Speaker 2>is concerned, the only way it can get to humans

0:57:31.973 --> 0:57:37.533
<v Speaker 2>is via fecal matter, and advised me to make sure

0:57:37.573 --> 0:57:41.493
<v Speaker 2>that we washed all the eggs before we cracked them. Now,

0:57:41.493 --> 0:57:43.173
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you think of that, but I'm

0:57:43.213 --> 0:57:43.733
<v Speaker 2>asking you.

0:57:46.133 --> 0:57:50.893
<v Speaker 3>Well, this has come out of a directive from Dr

0:57:51.013 --> 0:57:54.573
<v Speaker 3>Jeremy Farah, the Chief Scientists of the World Health Organization,

0:57:57.373 --> 0:58:01.733
<v Speaker 3>and he has recently said that bird flu, which is

0:58:02.373 --> 0:58:07.533
<v Speaker 3>H five and one avian influenza virus, had an extremely

0:58:07.693 --> 0:58:12.133
<v Speaker 3>high more rate among the several hundred people known to

0:58:12.173 --> 0:58:16.813
<v Speaker 3>have been infected with it to date. Now that's what

0:58:16.933 --> 0:58:20.213
<v Speaker 3>he said. What he didn't say was that these several

0:58:20.293 --> 0:58:24.373
<v Speaker 3>hundred people have been infected over a twenty seven year

0:58:24.613 --> 0:58:30.613
<v Speaker 3>period in twenty three countries. That's less than one person

0:58:31.013 --> 0:58:34.893
<v Speaker 3>per year per country. And it's been going on for

0:58:34.933 --> 0:58:38.613
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven years that we've known about bird flow. Now,

0:58:38.693 --> 0:58:43.413
<v Speaker 3>during that whole time, even up to today, no human

0:58:43.573 --> 0:58:47.333
<v Speaker 3>to human H five N one transmission has yet been recorded.

0:58:48.813 --> 0:58:53.533
<v Speaker 3>In other words, you catch bird flu from animals, and

0:58:53.573 --> 0:58:58.173
<v Speaker 3>if you want to wash your eggs before you eat them,

0:58:58.493 --> 0:59:03.373
<v Speaker 3>that's fine, But the number of people catching bird flu

0:59:04.053 --> 0:59:08.133
<v Speaker 3>is very, very very small. Indeed, and then the suggestion

0:59:08.493 --> 0:59:13.493
<v Speaker 3>that we got from doctor Michael Baker that because of

0:59:13.533 --> 0:59:17.653
<v Speaker 3>this announcement by the World Health Organization we should all

0:59:17.693 --> 0:59:23.253
<v Speaker 3>go back to wearing masks is insane, insane because there's

0:59:23.253 --> 0:59:27.013
<v Speaker 3>no indication that it's airborne infection at all due to

0:59:27.813 --> 0:59:33.093
<v Speaker 3>actual contact. And you know, there's a recent study on

0:59:33.253 --> 0:59:40.653
<v Speaker 3>mask wearing that this is what it found is that

0:59:41.733 --> 0:59:46.933
<v Speaker 3>by wearing these masks, you were inhaling volatile organic compounds

0:59:47.253 --> 0:59:58.413
<v Speaker 3>xylene acrolene, per, polyflored alkali phalate, lead, Cabbian copper, and

0:59:58.453 --> 1:00:02.173
<v Speaker 3>so on, all kinds of things that you're regularly inhaling.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're going to wear a mask regularly for a

1:00:04.453 --> 1:00:10.413
<v Speaker 3>disease that actually you can't catch from the air, this

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<v Speaker 3>is the kind of sort of panicked response that we

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<v Speaker 3>don't need. We just don't need this sort of panicked thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>And why is this even coming out? I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a moment's work when I saw first started

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<v Speaker 3>seeing the articles that suddenly appeared in our papers. There

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<v Speaker 3>was a moment's work to look up the scientific studies

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<v Speaker 3>and the actual data. I mean, newspaper writers should be

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<v Speaker 3>capable of doing this kind of research. They can't just

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<v Speaker 3>have some sort of release from the World Health Organization

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<v Speaker 3>land on their desk and they reprint its content without

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<v Speaker 3>really thinking about it. What they can well, they do, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>But it's no wonder you referred earlier on to the

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<v Speaker 3>Washington Post, the editor or the owner getting it annoyed

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<v Speaker 3>because the articles that they were printing were trash. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the same implies here.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, maybe there'll be a title awakening. So finally,

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<v Speaker 2>the finally, finally, the articles that we've referred to the

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<v Speaker 2>International Genetic Charter and your long essential readers, you call

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<v Speaker 2>it the dam is breaking. Where can those people who

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<v Speaker 2>want and I hope everybody does, where can I find them?

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<v Speaker 3>You can go to the hatch Yard Report dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Just so just hatch yd Report dot com and right

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<v Speaker 3>there on the front page there there's an article there

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<v Speaker 3>that's the latest article. Plus there's a banner to find

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<v Speaker 3>out more about the International Genetic Charter. If you want

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<v Speaker 3>more in depth writing on dangers of genetic engineering where

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<v Speaker 3>we look at the articles with a very sort of

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<v Speaker 3>tight focus on what exactly is going on with biotechnology

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<v Speaker 3>and genetic engineering in medicine, then you can glow to

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<v Speaker 3>Globe dot global and so you'll need the h T T.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you don't. No, you don't need it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well if it, Yeah, it depends on what your history

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<v Speaker 3>is if you on your browser, So you may need

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<v Speaker 3>to put in the https colon forward slash forward slash

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<v Speaker 3>Globe dot global, and once you've gone there once, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>never need to put that other thing in again.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I I've only looked at it once and I

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<v Speaker 2>just I just put in Globe dot Global.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, good, Well it may it may be because a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people are now going there that and you'll

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<v Speaker 3>see there you can sign up to the International Genetic

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<v Speaker 3>Charter and you can look at it terms very simple. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>it's only a couple of minutes reading, and you can

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<v Speaker 3>then sign your John Hancock to it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, then I repeat that I encourage I encourage

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<v Speaker 2>everybody to do it. Otherwise you're denying yourself some I

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<v Speaker 2>think important information. So I do have one last question.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise you've been writing the hat Shot Report publishing

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<v Speaker 2>it for how long? Oh it's about three years now,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like longer. How come you have escaped prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>or persecution?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I did got I did have a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>articles right at the beginning, but I gave as good

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<v Speaker 3>as I got, and I think I all of my

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<v Speaker 3>articles I reference published science in mainstream scientific journals, So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not stepping outside of mainstream science. I'm writing in

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<v Speaker 3>a rational way, and I'm quite open to questions and debates.

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<v Speaker 3>But people are you know how much debate do we

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<v Speaker 3>see in the media.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost none? Yeah, quite. You haven't stepped outside the bounds

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<v Speaker 2>of appropriate science, but you have overstepped the mark, or

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<v Speaker 2>stepped outside the bounds of the man dated views of

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<v Speaker 2>the last few years.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And our website comes under continual attack. We had

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<v Speaker 3>a huge attack when we released the International Genetic Charter.

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<v Speaker 3>Our websites came under a huge attack. There are people

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<v Speaker 3>with money and resources who don't want anyone to find

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<v Speaker 3>out much about biotechnology, whether it's safe or not.

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<v Speaker 2>So what prevented that attack from being successful?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one of them was successful, But it's easily fixable.

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<v Speaker 3>We have, you know, we have to put a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of systems in place two protect what we're publishing. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think most people who are publishing these days where

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<v Speaker 3>there's some level of conscious controversy about vaccines and COVID vaccines, biotechnology,

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<v Speaker 3>vaccines and biotechnology, I've got probably had to put in

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<v Speaker 3>similar levels of protection.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I stay with and maintain my attitude is simply

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<v Speaker 2>one of individual freedom, individual choice, and anybody who tries

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce the forcing, the mandating of anything when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the invasion of your of your body, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to it totally. Absolutely, it's worthy of it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>worthy of war. Yeah, it's been great, thank you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I might follow up on that other matter that you raise.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking forward to it, all right, thanks so much, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>Layton Smith. Now from the fabulous range of products that

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<v Speaker 2>really work, which means that you don't from wet and forget.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look at some indoor products like pet

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<v Speaker 2>pong gon. If you got pets and they're giving a

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<v Speaker 2>grief inside, then this is for you. There is a

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<v Speaker 2>hand sanitizer too, and particularly I want to mention the

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<v Speaker 2>wet and forget indoor disinfect and cleaner. There are so

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<v Speaker 2>many bullet points to this that I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>try and include them all. But it kills ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>point nine percent of bacteria and viruses, inhibits the growth

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<v Speaker 2>of mold and bildew, no bleach or irritating fumes. It's

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<v Speaker 2>easy spray and white formula cleans, disinfects, and deode arises

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<v Speaker 2>in one labor saving step. Eliminates dirt and soil, cuts

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<v Speaker 2>through tough grease and grime and destroys mold odors at

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<v Speaker 2>the source. And it doesn't just mask odors, it eliminates them.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look at Wet and Forget online for the

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<v Speaker 2>Wet and Forget Indoor disinfect and Cleaner. You can order

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<v Speaker 2>it online at Wetinfiget dot co dot Nz. You can

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<v Speaker 2>call them on eight hundred and three zero three thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>Wet and Forget Indoor Disinfectant Cleaner. Now went to the

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<v Speaker 2>mail room for two hundred and forty three and missus producer,

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<v Speaker 2>you will lighton. I'm okay, why don't you lead?

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<v Speaker 5>Alistair says another wonderful interview with Oliver Hartwich from the

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<v Speaker 5>New Zealand Institute, outlining the challenges and perhaps opportunities we

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<v Speaker 5>have following the demise of the destructive sixth Labor Government.

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<v Speaker 5>One thing that stuck in my mind is the date

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<v Speaker 5>of twenty thirty eight for bringing the government books back

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<v Speaker 5>to the halcyon days of two thousand and nineteen's abject

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<v Speaker 5>profligacy two thousand and thirty eight indicates to me that

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<v Speaker 5>this sixth National Government has already conceded defeat on the economy.

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<v Speaker 5>No government since the Holy Oak National Government, which was

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen sixty to seventy two, has ever lasted more than

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<v Speaker 5>three terms. That means the best this coalition can hope

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<v Speaker 5>for is to survive till twenty thirty two, and based

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<v Speaker 5>on this budget, they will be lucky to last that long,

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<v Speaker 5>given it seems they're happy to just manage the decline.

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<v Speaker 5>On the upside, I suppose maybe by then things will

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<v Speaker 5>be bad enough we can ask Ruth Richardson for forgiveness

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<v Speaker 5>and a return to Parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, so he's a long one from Canada, obviously paying

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<v Speaker 2>by the word Laighton. Oliver Hartwitch's interview was excellent, a

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<v Speaker 2>real treat at two thirty am, cheers got.

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<v Speaker 6>Better things to do it too thirty am.

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<v Speaker 2>That's thank you, Rod.

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<v Speaker 5>Later and I timed Dr Oliver Hartwich. It took him

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<v Speaker 5>to four minutes to list everything that was broken in

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<v Speaker 5>New Zealand education. With that he qualified a statement that

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<v Speaker 5>indeed everything in our education is broken. In June twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty one, University of Auckland's pro vice chancellor of Maori

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<v Speaker 5>wrote an ophed entitled in Digenized University so Mariy can

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<v Speaker 5>be Maori. This is exactly the kind of crap that

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<v Speaker 5>has poisoned our education system. Thankfully, the same university's professor

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<v Speaker 5>Elizabeth Rahta counted the stupidity with her own ophead last

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<v Speaker 5>year entitled in Digitization threatens the University's very foundations. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>glad Labour and Green's managed to inject critical race theory

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<v Speaker 5>into our education. I'm glad LGBT activists managed to push

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<v Speaker 5>sex change surgeries for kids against pair wishes. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 5>that the Democrats successfully committed perjury against Donald Trump. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>glad that the left always goes too far, and in

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<v Speaker 5>going too far, people wake up. If the EU elections

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<v Speaker 5>is any indication the conservative giant within us is finally stirring,

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<v Speaker 5>and I have a dream that one day we will

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<v Speaker 5>have people like Dr Oliver Hartwich and Professor Elizabeth Rater

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<v Speaker 5>running our ministry of education.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually very good, but there's one aspect to it

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<v Speaker 2>of it that didn't sit comfortably with me, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was this. I'm glad that the left always goes too far,

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<v Speaker 2>and in going too far, people wake up. Here's the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with that. Why are they going too far left

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place? Why are they getting away with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why have the people gone to sleep and not learned

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<v Speaker 2>from past experience? I mean, it just it frustrates me

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<v Speaker 2>enormously because that's exactly what happens, well, write the other

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<v Speaker 2>because they offer them money essentially, and then when they

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<v Speaker 2>realize that it's all bug it up, they race back

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<v Speaker 2>to the common sense approach and we have to go

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<v Speaker 2>through the procedure all over again. Because you only look

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<v Speaker 2>at Chloe what's an ound Schwarbrick, and you'll see exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm talking about. Layton, May I please inquire to

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<v Speaker 2>the nature of the mentioned local tax in place of

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<v Speaker 2>rates tax and by what function would it be collected.

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<v Speaker 2>There has been a number of proposals postulated in the

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<v Speaker 2>past re revenue streams, including GST type tax to replace rates,

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<v Speaker 2>although some seem to think that it should be as

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<v Speaker 2>well as where does this one fitted? Among others? Has

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<v Speaker 2>the work been done to estimate how much a local

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<v Speaker 2>tax would need to be set at without making it

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<v Speaker 2>an excuse to simply fleece us all. Further, bearing in

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<v Speaker 2>mind that some places are much more than the likes

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<v Speaker 2>of Auckland or christ Church. Well, my response to that

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<v Speaker 2>is there's been a lot of suggestions made in the

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<v Speaker 2>past that you just have to dig them out and

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<v Speaker 2>then try and find a better one, I suppose. But

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<v Speaker 2>as for the comparison of size of places, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be simply reflected in the amount of money that was

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<v Speaker 2>collected in each, But no mention of how aspects of

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<v Speaker 2>the Swiss model or other could be practically modified to

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<v Speaker 2>work in New Zealand, the most critical of which is

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<v Speaker 2>how in the world would the politicians be relieved of

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<v Speaker 2>their power monopoly over the New Zealand people also checks

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<v Speaker 2>and balances on both sides to ensure that right things

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<v Speaker 2>happen and I guess bad things don't. Our track record

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<v Speaker 2>has brought us to where we are today under the

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<v Speaker 2>embrace of the current chosen model at political parties endowed

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<v Speaker 2>by it. The proposed models presented to the public to

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<v Speaker 2>choose from at the time were all broken models designed

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<v Speaker 2>to disempower the people. None gave the people authority over

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<v Speaker 2>their representatives. While in office we bear the fruits of

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<v Speaker 2>our labors. Is put a capital L on labors because

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<v Speaker 2>what you can work out?

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<v Speaker 6>Why Leyden?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry? Can I just add? There no mention of how

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<v Speaker 2>the aspects of the Swiss model or other could be

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<v Speaker 2>practically modified to work in New Zealand. You've only got

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<v Speaker 2>to get your hands on the book one hundred Days,

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<v Speaker 2>which is about exactly that, to see that there's been

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of work done and they would be relatively easy

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<v Speaker 2>to apply.

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<v Speaker 5>Laydon Patrick says. One of your correspondents mentioned that they

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<v Speaker 5>would prefer a decentralized ID system based on a theoryum

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<v Speaker 5>rather than the centralized real me system, the argument being

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<v Speaker 5>that it would give each individual sovereignty over their own

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<v Speaker 5>data and who they wanted to share it with.

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<v Speaker 6>The issue here.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that whether the system becomes effectively mandatory or not

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't depend on the law. It only depends on market acceptance.

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<v Speaker 5>Whether it is centralized in law or decentralized and optional.

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<v Speaker 5>It will be made effectively mandatory when compliance exceeds eighty percent.

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<v Speaker 5>At that point they can safely start denying services to

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<v Speaker 5>any stragglers.

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<v Speaker 6>To force compliance.

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<v Speaker 5>The COVID experience shows us that fifty percent of the

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<v Speaker 5>population will happily give away all their rights for anything

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<v Speaker 5>they have told us a good cause, and another forty

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<v Speaker 5>percent will give them all away for a free box

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<v Speaker 5>of KFC. For this reason, the powers that we have

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<v Speaker 5>no problem with a private, decentralized ID system instead of

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<v Speaker 5>a centralized one. It will be better for them in

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<v Speaker 5>many ways, as they can rightly argue that the sheep

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<v Speaker 5>walked into their own pens and nobody forced them.

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<v Speaker 2>From Patrick Patrick. I sent your letter to the source

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<v Speaker 2>of your issue, and that was John Elcock, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and John replied with a very long letter which you

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<v Speaker 2>have a copy of. But he also copied me in

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<v Speaker 2>and this is just a taste. He says, thanks very

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<v Speaker 2>much for your email. And it's certainly an interesting point.

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<v Speaker 2>I personally already have a real me identity. As for

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the New Zealand government, it certainly does make

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<v Speaker 2>things a lot more convenient. I'm also aware that the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Internal Affairs has spent a great deal of time,

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<v Speaker 2>money and energy investing in this system, having spoken directly

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<v Speaker 2>with the people responsible at conferences and when I've called

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<v Speaker 2>him in the lift. Now this is, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>very long and if I can, I'll slip it in

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. At the very end of today's podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>Leyton Brett says, I think you might find this article

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<v Speaker 5>interesting regarding landmark legal ruling finds that COVID tests are

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<v Speaker 5>not fit for purpose, and he sends you a link.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing was reported in our media regarding this landmark case.

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<v Speaker 5>I enjoyed your podcast with Muriel Newman. She couldn't understand

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<v Speaker 5>what was driving the Marie sovereignty movement recently in Canada.

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<v Speaker 5>Justin Trudeau just handed over twenty percent of Canada to

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<v Speaker 5>the Indigenous people, which has a total population of twenty

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<v Speaker 5>seven to forty thousand, and he sends you an SBS link,

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<v Speaker 5>the largest land transfer in Canada's history. This transfer gave

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<v Speaker 5>full mineral and resource rights. The Indigenous peoples don't have

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<v Speaker 5>the infrastructure or experience to manage us land mass, so

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<v Speaker 5>an NGO is appointed by the UN which will manage

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<v Speaker 5>this land on their behalf. The UN drafted the Rights

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<v Speaker 5>of Indigenous People Agreement to essentially secure land, using the

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<v Speaker 5>ignorant Indigenous peoples to secure it for themselves, managing the

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<v Speaker 5>resources and well through their NGOs. I think this is

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<v Speaker 5>where three waters might have been headed in New Zealand

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<v Speaker 5>under the ar Durn government.

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<v Speaker 6>What do you.

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<v Speaker 5>Think your podcast is essential listening. I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 5>Leyton's interviews and insights around the looming US election. We

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<v Speaker 5>won't get the real story from our mainstream media. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 5>says Brett, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care and Bred. The question is when is the

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<v Speaker 2>right time to start doing those interviews en mass almost

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<v Speaker 2>for the US election. It's an interesting conundrum just at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, so writes Vincent, our old mate Dan Andrews

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<v Speaker 2>across the Tasman he, being the Premiere of Victoria X,

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<v Speaker 2>received a gong for his selfless quote unquote handling of

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<v Speaker 2>the COVID in Victoria. A astonishing for a premier who

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<v Speaker 2>never finished his term to be awarded a King's Honor award.

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<v Speaker 2>Remind you of anybody on this side of the ditch.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely sickening for those awards to be sullied in such

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<v Speaker 2>a manner and deemed utterly worthless. A pity for those

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<v Speaker 2>who are recognized for actual, worthy reasons. Vincent, I was

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<v Speaker 2>more disgusted than you, and I know that because nobody

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<v Speaker 2>could have been more disgusted than me. That excuse for

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<v Speaker 2>a politician deserve nothing but to kick up the backside

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<v Speaker 2>and a good hard one. And if I say any more,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll offend somebody.

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<v Speaker 6>Laton.

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<v Speaker 5>Finally from me, Vincent says, yes it's Wednesday. I look

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<v Speaker 5>forward to your podcast each week. Absolutely a highlight. I

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<v Speaker 5>loved Oliver's suggestion in today's installment about how councils could

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<v Speaker 5>be funded by a local income tax as opposed to

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<v Speaker 5>the current rate system. I've often thought that New Zealand

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<v Speaker 5>would benefit from its population being spread around rather than

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<v Speaker 5>everybody being squished into Auckland. If councils had to compete

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<v Speaker 5>for income, they would aim to attract business and enterprise

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<v Speaker 5>to their own region, thereby benefiting the citizens to which

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<v Speaker 5>they are answerable. Such a common sense approach, sadly is

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<v Speaker 5>unlikely to see the light of day because it's too sensible.

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<v Speaker 6>Have a great rest of your week. And that's from Vincent.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, is isact the same Vincent as I just read? Prom

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it is? How did he get to in the

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<v Speaker 2>two and one? What was the date on that? Just

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<v Speaker 2>as a matter who interest? June five and June ten? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough? Finally from Chris in Canberra Repodcast two forty two.

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<v Speaker 2>I was interested in the comment by David Sachs that

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<v Speaker 2>the central issue in the twenty twenty four presidential election

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<v Speaker 2>in November is whether Americans will stand for the US

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a banana republic. I reckon that Johann was at

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<v Speaker 2>Johann I've never known a leak. Nailed it in the

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend Australian of the first of June. See the cartoon below.

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<v Speaker 2>See it's a skyline buildings and the tallest building is

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<v Speaker 2>a banana sticking up out of the back of the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of them. Furthermore, the letter that you read at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the podcast about the Lost generation brought

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<v Speaker 2>to mind an item on Channel seven on the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>of June, which reported that a twelve year old boy,

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<v Speaker 2>who police claim is a serial violent crit all, was

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<v Speaker 2>facing court. He has been charged and released seventy three

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<v Speaker 2>times on over two hundred crimes over fifteen months, and

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<v Speaker 2>as broken bail conditions repeatedly. This time bail was denied.

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<v Speaker 2>A former detective says he fears we are losing an

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<v Speaker 2>entire generation of youth. Here is the link to the

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<v Speaker 2>footage if you wish to look at it. It goes

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<v Speaker 2>for nearly two minutes, Chris, I really appreciate you sending that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did look at it, and you described it perfectly,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't really need to. But nevertheless, I took

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<v Speaker 2>a shot with my camera. I took a shot of

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<v Speaker 2>the places where he has committed these crimes. You ready,

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't know Sydney, doesn't matter because it tells

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<v Speaker 2>its own story. But if you do know Sydney, then

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have some idea of the zone that this kid

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<v Speaker 2>has been operating in Mount Druett, Marsden Park, Plumpton, Emerton,

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Mary's Sydney, which means the city, Wentworth Park, Paramatta, Redven,

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<v Speaker 2>Pendall Hill, Gireween Blacktown, Bondi Junction. And we know what

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<v Speaker 2>took place in Bondi Junction recently. Ed's never heard of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Castle Hill, West Pymble and Ross Hill. Now West Pemble

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<v Speaker 2>is the closest to where I grew up on the

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<v Speaker 2>North Shore. The rest of them are spread north, southeast

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<v Speaker 2>and west. This kid's been hopping on trains and going

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere to Committee's crimes. Here's the question. He's now behind bars,

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<v Speaker 2>But what do you do with him? What do you

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<v Speaker 2>do with him? Because you can't tell me that we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have kids of similar ages who have been doing

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<v Speaker 2>the same sort of thing over here, maybe not quite

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<v Speaker 2>as bad, who knows, but certainly who need some serious attention,

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<v Speaker 2>missus producer, I thank you, thank you. Later, I shall

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<v Speaker 2>now spend the next two hours editing to get all

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<v Speaker 2>your coffs and things out.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I'm sorry about that. I think I've got a

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<v Speaker 5>bit of a chest infection, but so forgive me. If

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<v Speaker 5>I was scrambling through.

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<v Speaker 2>That just be something to feel in the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the morning.

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<v Speaker 6>That's cursed.

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<v Speaker 2>During the course of the interview, I made reference to

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times and its historical record of lying

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<v Speaker 2>to its readers and the rest of the world for

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<v Speaker 2>that matter, and I thought it might be appropriate to

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<v Speaker 2>justify that with a a little bit of quoting from

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Levin's book Unfreedom of the Press. He makes reference

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<v Speaker 2>to much of this. After covering off a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of history, he says, however, unbelievably, for the New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times and other newspapers, the effective cover up of the

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<v Speaker 2>Holocaust was not the first time they knowingly censored the

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<v Speaker 2>horrors of genocide while it was occurring from approximately nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two to thirty three, Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin starved

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<v Speaker 2>the people of Ukraine, resulting in the mass genocide of

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<v Speaker 2>millions of Ukrainians. Bruce Bartlett, writing in Human Events, explained

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<v Speaker 2>that the Hollidamore or Great Famine of nineteen thirty two

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty three was the culmination of a long struggle

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<v Speaker 2>between the Soviet state, non Russian nationalities like the Ukrainians,

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<v Speaker 2>and historically independent minded farmers who had been forced into

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<v Speaker 2>or onto collective farms. It also resulted from Stalin's need

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<v Speaker 2>for foreign exchange to buy Western machinery to aid industrialization.

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<v Speaker 2>In late nineteen thirty two, wrote Bartlet, Stalin decreed that

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<v Speaker 2>all grains should be confiscated and anyone interfering with this

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<v Speaker 2>action should be considered an enemy of the state. Throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the countryside in Ukraine and other grain growing areas, starvation

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<v Speaker 2>set in. Stalin sent troops to prevent farmers from leaving

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<v Speaker 2>the land, where increasingly there was nothing to eat. In

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<v Speaker 2>response to please for food aid, Stalin called the famine

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<v Speaker 2>one of the minor inconveniences of our system. Close quote

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<v Speaker 2>a Manchester Guardian reporter Malcolm Muggridge traveled to Ukraine to

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<v Speaker 2>see for himself what was taking place. In her book

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<v Speaker 2>Stalind's Apologist, Sally Taylor recounts that in a series of

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<v Speaker 2>articles published in The Guardian at the end of March

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty three, Muggridge confirmed the existence of widespread famine.

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<v Speaker 2>In his eye witness account, the peasant population, he wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>was starving quote I mean starving in its absolute sense,

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<v Speaker 2>not undernourished, but having four weeks next to nothing to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>It was true, Muggridge wrote, the famine is an organized occupation,

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<v Speaker 2>worse active war. Thus, even from other new sources such

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<v Speaker 2>as The Manchester Guardian the New York Times had to

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<v Speaker 2>know the truth about the famine that was taking place

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine. Even more, as Hoover Institution historian and scholar

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Conquest wrote in his book The Harvest of Sorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>let us insist on the fact that the truth was

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<v Speaker 2>indeed widely available in the West. In spite of everything,

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<v Speaker 2>full or adequate reports appeared in the Manchester Guardian, the

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Telegraph, lumatan Lea Figero did, a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 2>newspapers from European countries, and scores of other Western papers.

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<v Speaker 2>In the United States, wide circulation newspapers printed very full

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<v Speaker 2>first hand accounts by Ukrainian, American and other visitors, though

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<v Speaker 2>these were mostly discounted, as often appearing in right wing

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<v Speaker 2>journals and the Christian Science Monitor. The New York Herald

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<v Speaker 2>Tribune and the New York Jewish for Words gave broad coverage. However,

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<v Speaker 2>The Times longtime man in Moscow, Walter Duranti, a propagandist

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<v Speaker 2>and apologist for the nineteen seventeen Communist revolution in Russia

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<v Speaker 2>and later Stalin and his murderous regime. He reported otherwise. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>The Times was proud of their man in Moscow. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty two, Guranti was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for

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<v Speaker 2>a series of articles in The Times that covered up

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<v Speaker 2>Stalinism's atrocities, and from nineteen thirty two to nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three Duranti wrote news columns for The Times, not only

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<v Speaker 2>denying the fact of the catastrophic famine taking place in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>but censoring Stalin's role in the genocide of multiple millions

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<v Speaker 2>of Ukrainians. Then we come to the next paragraph and

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<v Speaker 2>covers the star if you like of a movie that

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<v Speaker 2>came out in twenty nineteen mister Jones. Another Guardian reporter,

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<v Speaker 2>Gareth Jones, also filed news also filed news stories about

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<v Speaker 2>the famine Ukraine. Like Muggridge, Jones had gone to the

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<v Speaker 2>areas where white spread starvation was occurring, traveling some forty

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<v Speaker 2>miles into the midst of it, and was also horrified

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<v Speaker 2>by what he witnessed and was told, which he reported

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<v Speaker 2>in detail. But Duranti then took aim at Jones's credibility

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<v Speaker 2>and used his powerful perch at The New York Times

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<v Speaker 2>to publicly demean him and the accuracy of his reporting

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<v Speaker 2>in the newspages of the Times. On March thirteen, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two, Guranti wrote a piece in The Times titled

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<v Speaker 2>Russians Hungry but not Starving, in which he, among other things,

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed Jones's first hand accounts and counted him with disinformation. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Since I talked to mister Jones, I have made exhaustive

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<v Speaker 2>inquiries about this alleged Taman situation. I have inquired in

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet commissariats and in foreign embassies with their network of consoles,

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<v Speaker 2>and have tabulated information from Britain's working as specialists and

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<v Speaker 2>from my personal connections Russian and foreign. All of this

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me to be more trustworthy the information that

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<v Speaker 2>I could get by a brief trip through any one area.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, he's apologizing, sort of making excuses for

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<v Speaker 2>not having gone and experienced himself. The Soviet Union is

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<v Speaker 2>too big to permit a hasty study, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>the foreign correspondence job to present a whole picture, not

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. Duranti then exclaimed, and here are the facts.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a serious shortage of food throughout the country,

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<v Speaker 2>with occasional cases of well managed states or collective farms.

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<v Speaker 2>The big cities and the army are adequately supplied with food.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation, but

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<v Speaker 2>there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition. In

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<v Speaker 2>short conditions are definitely bad in certain sections the Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>North Caucuses and Lower Lower Vulgar. The rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>country is on short rations, but nothing worse. These conditions

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<v Speaker 2>are bad, but there is no famine. Of course, this

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<v Speaker 2>was a flat out lie. Do I need to go

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<v Speaker 2>any further, Probably not, but let me The famine peaked

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<v Speaker 2>in the summer of nineteen thirty three, unbelievably. On September seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty three, Durante was added again in another report

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<v Speaker 2>from Russia. Duranti assured the Times readers that all was

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<v Speaker 2>well in Ukraine and that suggestions to the contrary were nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>The writer has just completed a two hundred mile auto

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<v Speaker 2>trip through the heart of Ukraine and can say positively

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<v Speaker 2>that the harvest is splendid at all. Talk of famine

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous everywhere one goes and with everyone with whom

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<v Speaker 2>one talks, from commonists and officials to local peasants. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the same story. Now we will be all right. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we are assured for the winter. Now we have more

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<v Speaker 2>grain that can easily be harvested. But Gurante knew the

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<v Speaker 2>ugly truth, as Professor Lubami Maire Luchuk of the Royal

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<v Speaker 2>Military College of Canada has written. On September twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty three, at the British Embassy in Moscow, Durante

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<v Speaker 2>privately confided to William Strang that as many as ten

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<v Speaker 2>million people had died directly or indirectly of famine conditions

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<v Speaker 2>in the USSR during the past year. Meanwhile, publicly Duranti

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<v Speaker 2>orchestrated a vicious ostracizing of those journalists who risked much

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<v Speaker 2>by reporting on the brutalities of forced collectivisation and the

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<v Speaker 2>ensuing demographic catastrophe muggerage among them. Even as fertile Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>once the bread basket of Europe, became a modern day

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<v Speaker 2>gold Gotha, a place of skulls. Duranti plowed the truth

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<v Speaker 2>under occasionally pressed on the human cost of the Soviet experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>He did, however, evolve a dismissive dodge, canting, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>make an omelet without breaking eggs. Indeed, wrote Conquest, he

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<v Speaker 2>had personally told Eujane Lymes he was a United Press

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<v Speaker 2>Moscow correspondent, and others that he estimated the famine victims

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<v Speaker 2>at around seven million. What the American public got was

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<v Speaker 2>not the straight stuff, but the false reporting. Its influence

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<v Speaker 2>was enormous and long lasting. Well. The New York Times

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<v Speaker 2>did apologize for it in an editorial a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I still have a copy of that somewhere, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've probably read it on radio, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>But nevertheless, it wasn't the first, and it won't be

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<v Speaker 2>the last time that the New York Times can be

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<v Speaker 2>held or should be held accountable for misleading its readership

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<v Speaker 2>and much of the rest of the world. Now, just

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<v Speaker 2>to repeat, the extract I read was from Unfreedom of

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<v Speaker 2>the Press by Mack Livin, and there are six copies

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<v Speaker 2>of it in the Auckland Library system. Can't speak for

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere else. And the movie Mister Jones, I've seen it

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<v Speaker 2>probably I think in twenty twenty, and i'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>see it again after reading that extract and watching the

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<v Speaker 2>trailer for it a short while ago. But I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you where it might be streaming at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>but you might like to do have a look, Layton Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm regretfully going to park the long letter that

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<v Speaker 2>John Elcock wrote to Patrick, and I've put it aside

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<v Speaker 2>for another time because I had something planned for this

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<v Speaker 2>part of the podcast, which is the conclusion Bird flu

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<v Speaker 2>Fear and Perverse Incentives by David Bell and published June eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand Time. A fifty nine year old man unfortunately died,

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<v Speaker 2>and I should say I'm going to read the first

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<v Speaker 2>the first section and the final section because it's six

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<v Speaker 2>pages long, and encourage everybody to read the whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>for themselves. Details at the back. A fifty nine year

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<v Speaker 2>old unfortunately died in Mexico in late April, having been

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<v Speaker 2>bed bound for weeks and suffering from type two diabetes

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<v Speaker 2>and chronic renal failure. He was at high risk from

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<v Speaker 2>respiratory virus infection. It became newsworthy, and the World Health

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<v Speaker 2>Organization thousands of miles Distant even released a media's statement

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<v Speaker 2>because recent advances in genetic sequencing allowed the presence of

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<v Speaker 2>type A, that is, H five N two influenza virus,

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<v Speaker 2>a type of bird flu to be reported in a

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<v Speaker 2>single clinical sample. A month later, refuting the Who's Distant

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<v Speaker 2>bureaucrats attributing mortality to the virus, Mexico's health secretary is

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<v Speaker 2>reported as noting that it was chronic illness that caused

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<v Speaker 2>the death. Irrespective of cause, deaths are a tragedy for

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<v Speaker 2>family and friends. This one made global news purely because

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<v Speaker 2>of advances in diagnostic technology. The WHO, the media, and

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<v Speaker 2>a growing pandemic in industry had been waiting for this

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<v Speaker 2>inevitable event. Testing and screening as it's critical to perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>the largest business scheme in human history. Note that the

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<v Speaker 2>largest possible largest business scheme in human history. There are

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of billions on the table and the will and

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<v Speaker 2>means to take it. We all need to understand why

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<v Speaker 2>and what is supposed to happen next. So to the

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<v Speaker 2>back end and the last couple of paragraphs. Unless wider

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<v Speaker 2>society regains control of the agenda, the farmer industry and

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<v Speaker 2>its investors are set to make a killing through bird flu.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be at least as big as COVID. It

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<v Speaker 2>will also serve an important role in further building the

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic industry, justifying the finalization of the postponed WHO Pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>Agreement treaty. It is a vital cog in the great reset.

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<v Speaker 2>Outbreaks do occur, and we shall monitor and prepare for them. However,

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<v Speaker 2>we have allowed the development of a system where outbreaks

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<v Speaker 2>are almost all that matter. Perceptions of risk and resultant

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<v Speaker 2>funding have become grossly disproportionate to reality. The perverse incentives

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<v Speaker 2>driving this are obvious, as are the harms. The world

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<v Speaker 2>will be increasingly unequal and impoverished and sick building on

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<v Speaker 2>the outcomes of the COVID response, Fear promotes profit better

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<v Speaker 2>than calmness and content. It is on us to remain

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<v Speaker 2>calm and continually educate ourselves regarding context. No one will

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<v Speaker 2>sell these to us. Now. You can find the article

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<v Speaker 2>the Brownstone Institute site Brownstone dot org bird flu, spell, flu, fear,

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<v Speaker 2>and perverse incentives, and it runs through all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>aspects of this particular situation, and I want to seriously

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<v Speaker 2>encourage every one of you to look it up and

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<v Speaker 2>read it. That will take us out for podcasts two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty three. If you'd care to write to us,

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and forty four and it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a ripper. Until then, as always, thank you for listening

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<v Speaker 2>and we shall talk soon.

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