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Speaker 2: Welcome to podcasts two hundred and forty three for June twelve,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. There are countless events happening all over

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Speaker 2: the planet at a moment, and some might say that

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Speaker 2: it always was so, but not always with the same

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Speaker 2: level of attention. Individual crises get today big or small headline?

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Speaker 2: Who confirms bird flu death in Mexico? As trusts the

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Speaker 2: science experts want to test America's forty million cows. Here's another,

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Speaker 2: now that someone has dropped dead. Fear of H five

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Speaker 2: What about this one? Media is to blame for COVID

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Speaker 2: vaccine's wall of infallibility? Or we got sold a dog

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Speaker 2: on that particular occasion. The most delusional Paul Krugman headline

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Speaker 2: in the history of delusional Paul Krugman headlines. Keeping in

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Speaker 2: mind that, of course, Paul Krugman is the economics writer

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Speaker 2: for the New York Times, And we pay attention to

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Speaker 2: the New York Times later in the podcast, and just

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Speaker 2: for the sake of it, because I've got these lying around.

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Speaker 2: Here's a couple more the WHO powergrab and enemies of

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Speaker 2: food freedom. But the constant debate between big farmer, the

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Speaker 2: media and government departments, and the World Economic Forum and

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Speaker 2: the World Health Organization, etc. Just might be starting to

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Speaker 2: come apart. A few days ago, a former Japanese Minister

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Speaker 2: for Internal Affairs apologized in a public speech to the

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Speaker 2: citizenry of Japan for COVID nineteen vaccine campaigns. Then, more recently,

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Speaker 2: The New York Times admitted that the evidence that COVID

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Speaker 2: came from a lab in Wuhan is overwhelming, saying that

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Speaker 2: it's undeniable that US federal funding helped to build an

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Speaker 2: unprecedented collection of SARS like viruses at the Wuhan Institute,

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Speaker 2: as well as contributing to research that enhanced them. But then,

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Speaker 2: or more appropriately now, the British Medical Journal has published

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Speaker 2: an article excess mortality across countries in the Western World

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Speaker 2: covid vaccination may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths.

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Speaker 2: These are just some of the matters that we'll be

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Speaker 2: discussing with the guest on two forty three, Guy Hatchett,

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Speaker 2: publisher of The Hatchard Report, a man who's been on

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Speaker 2: this podcast on I think two occasions in the past,

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Speaker 2: and somebody I've come to respect, and Guy Hatchett is next.

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Speaker 2: There are essential fat nutrients that we need in our

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Speaker 2: six fatty acids in their naturally existing ratios. The Omega

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Speaker 2: their purest form without any internal organs or toxins. Every

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Speaker 2: batch is tested for its purity before it's allowed to

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Speaker 2: be sold. Equisine supports cells to be flexible, so important

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Speaker 2: to support healthy blood flow and overall cardiovascular health can

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Speaker 2: support mood, balance and mental clarity and focus in children,

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Speaker 2: all the way to supporting stiff joints, mental focus, brain

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Speaker 2: to be taken in addition to a healthy diet and

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Speaker 2: is only available from pharmacies and health stores. Always read

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Speaker 2: the label and users directed and if symptoms persist, seeing

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Speaker 2: your healthcare professional. Farmer Broker Auckland Layton Smith. The damn

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Speaker 2: wall has finally broken. In the US and Australia. The

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Speaker 2: chapter of silence on reporting COVID nineteen vaccine injuries appears

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Speaker 2: to have slammed shut now. The article is from Adam Crichton,

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Speaker 2: on throughout the pandemic, criticism of masks or lockdowns was

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Speaker 2: an almost exalted status that ensured any critics, no matter

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Speaker 2: vaxes cookers, or simply ignored. Why this was so remains

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Speaker 2: too credulous, incurious mainstream media naive to the political and

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Speaker 2: financial forces that pushed governments to assume the more sensible

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Speaker 2: Compelling entire populations to take a scientifically novel vaccine produced

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Speaker 2: questionable policy, arguably trashing traditional medical ethics about informed consent. Yet,

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Speaker 2: even as it became clear through twenty one and twenty

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Speaker 2: over and over again, safe and effective, Safe and effective

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Speaker 2: remained the mantra. Governments and experts insisted vaccines stopped transmission

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Speaker 2: hadn't even studied that question. All of this was wrought

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Speaker 2: Most recently you've been responsible for helping establish something called GLOBE,

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Speaker 2: the Campaign for Global Outlawing Biotechnology experimentation, and you've written

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Speaker 2: the International Genetic Charter. Give us a brief on that.

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is that the international health regulations, which

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Speaker 3: and they will open the door to mass vaccination's mass

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Speaker 3: treatment of people with novel medical procedures. And it's all

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Speaker 3: very well to say, well, we don't want this, and

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Speaker 3: to say what we do want. What kind of controls

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Speaker 3: the International Genetic Charter is very simple document. Actually, it's

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Speaker 3: very short to read, just a couple of minutes of

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Speaker 3: any medical intervention which penetrates the cell membrane and could

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Speaker 3: thereby alter the genetic structure or function of a cell

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Speaker 3: it did sell on a scale that was sufficient to

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Speaker 3: affect many aspects of human health. And that was, you know,

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Speaker 3: we crossed the rubicon. We need to have the right

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Speaker 3: physiological life begins with one cell and then it multiplies

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Speaker 2: Extraordinary, isn't it When you look at those figures for

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Speaker 4: trillions of cells, every day, there are seventy thousand repair

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Speaker 3: That's a colossal number of repairs that are undertaken very automatically.

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Speaker 3: So our physiology is actually designed to protect the genetic

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Speaker 3: physiological so to speak. We shouldn't be mandated to undertake

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Speaker 3: such a procedure. And that is the essence of the charter.

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Speaker 3: And it has a few more clauses. The right to

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Speaker 3: full disclosure labeling of any food with genetically modified content

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Speaker 3: The right to know if there are biosynthetic substitutes in

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Speaker 3: our food for natural ingredients, the right to have seed

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Speaker 3: That's what's getting bustardized now in the food system is

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Speaker 3: the word natural is slapped on food that is not

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on hold on a thing. How can how

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Speaker 2: can I mean the authority seem to be very very

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Speaker 2: to such matters from organizations, producers, it, growers, etc. How

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Speaker 3: There's no legislation governing it. Basically, I mean, if you

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Speaker 3: that's not coming from a vanilla plant. It's coming from

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Speaker 3: a biotech lab. And that's an innovation that's happened in

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Speaker 3: the last few years. In twenty seventeen, the government actually

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Speaker 3: agreed to the use of three thousand synthetic ingredients in foods,

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Speaker 3: and by doing that they sort of opened a flood door,

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Speaker 3: not just the three thousand named ingredients, but all kinds

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Speaker 3: a very longlist. The point here is that what goes

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Speaker 3: Ultra processed foods contain materials that are completely different than

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Speaker 2: All right, let me extend my questioning a little further.

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Speaker 2: There is a constant battle between government authority and the

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Speaker 2: world of natural supplements, or the world of supplements, shall

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Speaker 2: we say, And the supplement world is not infrequently for

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Speaker 2: How can they do that on one hand, while doing

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Speaker 2: while carrying out activity that you've are just covered. On

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Speaker 2: other matters now, where the public in general doesn't really

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Speaker 2: have a clue. That's right.

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Speaker 3: And that's where we come to the collective rights of

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Speaker 3: the International Genetic Charter, the right not to be subject

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Speaker 3: to advertising, information, or propaganda about biotechnology which exaggerates or

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Speaker 3: misrepresents any possible benefits or omits, to discuss the known

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Speaker 3: and suspected risks that has been the feature of the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: That and you see this in articles all the time.

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Speaker 3: about how geneticists have finally worked out how to cure

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Speaker 3: irritable bowel syndrome Celiact disease. And if you read the

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Speaker 3: nothing yet on the horizon that is going to cure

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Speaker 3: Celiac disease. The reason there's nothing on the horizon is

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Speaker 3: of the side effects of what they're trying to develop.

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Speaker 3: The side effects are so serious that they can't say

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Speaker 3: when or if they'll be able to help the disease.

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Speaker 2: What they have found is.

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Speaker 3: That there's a single gene that is associated with this

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Speaker 3: alter that situation without damaging multiple other functions in the

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Speaker 3: human physiology. And to be subjected to articles throughout the

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Speaker 3: press saying goodbye Celiac disease that the geneticists have solved

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Speaker 3: their problem when they haven't is misrepresentation. And this comes

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Speaker 3: out of a publicity machine within Big Farmer that is

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Speaker 3: promoting all kinds of activities, investments and potential medicines, experimentation

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Speaker 3: on populations, and so on. We have to be protected

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Speaker 3: from that. We are protected from a car salesman who's

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Speaker 3: He instituted them arguably the most coercive vaccine mandates of

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, Ted Ross gabriasis, if you want yes, if

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Speaker 2: And I would imagine that you would agree with that

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Speaker 3: Where is the consultation with someone who can help you

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00:31:36,973 --> 00:31:42,093
Speaker 3: when you're ill. This is dictatorship in the health system,

432
00:31:42,613 --> 00:31:48,253
Speaker 3: and look, how does this work? I again this week.

433
00:31:49,133 --> 00:31:52,893
Speaker 3: Lots of article last week actually about a zempi because

434
00:31:52,933 --> 00:31:56,093
Speaker 3: zempig is that sort of so called miracle weight weight

435
00:31:56,133 --> 00:32:00,373
Speaker 3: loss drug, and its active ingredient is called some eglotide.

436
00:32:01,533 --> 00:32:05,893
Speaker 3: And at a conference in the UK, one of the

437
00:32:05,933 --> 00:32:09,773
Speaker 3: speakers said the maglid tide should be put in the

438
00:32:09,853 --> 00:32:13,253
Speaker 3: water supply. This is the kind of thinking that you

439
00:32:13,373 --> 00:32:16,573
Speaker 3: get once you put someone in charge of everybody's well.

440
00:32:16,853 --> 00:32:20,693
Speaker 2: Wasn't that supposed to be humorous or of something?

441
00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:29,453
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't. It wasn't humorous because subsequent speakers started

442
00:32:29,493 --> 00:32:33,973
Speaker 3: to talk about enforcing the use of a zenpic in

443
00:32:34,013 --> 00:32:37,413
Speaker 3: the or otherwise there are other versions of it, Wegavie

444
00:32:37,493 --> 00:32:42,973
Speaker 3: and so on, butied and coercing people to take it,

445
00:32:43,533 --> 00:32:48,893
Speaker 3: and talking about how being overweight was so unhealthy. It

446
00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:53,773
Speaker 3: was being overweight as associated with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, mental illness,

447
00:32:53,773 --> 00:32:59,133
Speaker 3: cardiovascular disease, cancer, and you name it. So therefore we

448
00:32:59,173 --> 00:33:02,253
Speaker 3: should just enforce the use of something that takes away

449
00:33:02,293 --> 00:33:05,253
Speaker 3: your appetite, that actually interacts with your brain. How does

450
00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:10,253
Speaker 3: some egnotide work and interacts with your brain to alter

451
00:33:10,453 --> 00:33:15,413
Speaker 3: your appetite. So this is a kind of discussion that

452
00:33:15,573 --> 00:33:20,853
Speaker 3: is going on now in terms of public health, and

453
00:33:20,933 --> 00:33:23,693
Speaker 3: the problem with it is, of course the side effects

454
00:33:23,693 --> 00:33:27,773
Speaker 3: which we I've discussed at at great length, kidney damage

455
00:33:28,213 --> 00:33:37,413
Speaker 3: and again coming off semeglotide very problematic. Once you're on it,

456
00:33:37,453 --> 00:33:39,533
Speaker 3: you're on it, and if you come off it, then

457
00:33:39,573 --> 00:33:43,773
Speaker 3: you've got a whole range of problems that emerge in physiology.

458
00:33:44,213 --> 00:33:49,253
Speaker 3: Why are people talking like this that when really there

459
00:33:49,253 --> 00:33:54,813
Speaker 3: are very simple solutions to being overweight. There are dietary

460
00:33:55,173 --> 00:33:58,733
Speaker 3: and exercise solutions that really do work that haven't got

461
00:33:58,733 --> 00:34:00,213
Speaker 3: any side effects.

462
00:34:01,173 --> 00:34:03,933
Speaker 2: I can only say to you that, having spent a

463
00:34:03,973 --> 00:34:07,613
Speaker 2: long time in talk radio, the number of times that

464
00:34:08,133 --> 00:34:12,933
Speaker 2: the subject came up for one reason or another was

465
00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:17,053
Speaker 2: countless over the decades. And I'll give you an example,

466
00:34:17,733 --> 00:34:22,613
Speaker 2: the suggestion that heavier people should pay more for an

467
00:34:22,693 --> 00:34:26,053
Speaker 2: aeroplane ticket, they should be checked in like baggage. Some

468
00:34:26,093 --> 00:34:29,373
Speaker 2: people took decide that it's not their fault that they're fat,

469
00:34:30,053 --> 00:34:34,053
Speaker 2: whereas other people, of course were very condemnatory the fact

470
00:34:34,093 --> 00:34:37,893
Speaker 2: that you're not. It's not your fault that your fat is,

471
00:34:38,453 --> 00:34:42,773
Speaker 2: as I understand it, an acceptable reason for being overweight

472
00:34:43,293 --> 00:34:46,933
Speaker 2: in some circumstances. Don't ask me to explain. It's just

473
00:34:46,973 --> 00:34:50,213
Speaker 2: something I picked up along the way. But you're quite

474
00:34:50,293 --> 00:34:52,933
Speaker 2: right that if you've got if you've got a weight problem,

475
00:34:53,013 --> 00:34:54,573
Speaker 2: there is a way of addressing it.

476
00:34:55,253 --> 00:34:59,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a patch or covers an awful lot

477
00:34:59,093 --> 00:35:02,493
Speaker 3: of conditions. People are overweight for an awful lot of reasons.

478
00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:07,053
Speaker 3: But at its route, it's fairly easy to control. Naturally,

479
00:35:07,853 --> 00:35:10,413
Speaker 3: it shouldn't We shouldn't move on to a sort of

480
00:35:10,533 --> 00:35:15,413
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four society where the government is mandating all

481
00:35:15,533 --> 00:35:19,373
Speaker 3: sorts of procedures on the population. It brings me to

482
00:35:19,613 --> 00:35:24,333
Speaker 3: another point. Actually, there was a very interesting paper in

483
00:35:24,733 --> 00:35:32,893
Speaker 3: the journal Transplantology entitled Personality Changes associated with Organ Transplants,

484
00:35:34,053 --> 00:35:36,373
Speaker 3: which was published about a month ago.

485
00:35:37,093 --> 00:35:39,013
Speaker 2: And it's kind of.

486
00:35:38,973 --> 00:35:42,093
Speaker 3: Well known that when people have a heart transplant that

487
00:35:42,173 --> 00:35:48,093
Speaker 3: they can suffer personality changes. And this study didn't just

488
00:35:48,173 --> 00:35:53,773
Speaker 3: look at heart, it looks at all organs, all organ transplants.

489
00:35:54,493 --> 00:35:57,493
Speaker 3: And in the study it found that eighty seven percent

490
00:35:57,573 --> 00:36:02,253
Speaker 3: of the subjects experience marked unusual changes that challenge their behavior,

491
00:36:02,373 --> 00:36:07,373
Speaker 3: sense of identity, and personal preferences following the transplant, and

492
00:36:07,493 --> 00:36:12,373
Speaker 3: that when investigated more closely. They found that the kind

493
00:36:12,413 --> 00:36:17,973
Speaker 3: of personality changes that the people experienced were related to

494
00:36:18,093 --> 00:36:22,173
Speaker 3: the people who were doning usually deceased of course, people

495
00:36:22,173 --> 00:36:26,493
Speaker 3: who were doning the organs. And this was a very

496
00:36:27,133 --> 00:36:31,973
Speaker 3: unexpected result. People have sort of accepted the heart, you know,

497
00:36:32,173 --> 00:36:35,373
Speaker 3: maybe people's heart has changed, their behavior has changed. But

498
00:36:36,013 --> 00:36:39,013
Speaker 3: how does that happen? And while there were three, there

499
00:36:39,013 --> 00:36:43,453
Speaker 3: are three sort of explanations. One is psychological centered around

500
00:36:43,693 --> 00:36:47,213
Speaker 3: magical thinking, the belief that certain words, thoughts, emotions, or

501
00:36:47,333 --> 00:36:50,813
Speaker 3: ritual behaviors imprint themselves on the world around us, but

502
00:36:50,933 --> 00:36:55,213
Speaker 3: it's rather vague. The other one was that there were

503
00:36:55,493 --> 00:37:01,733
Speaker 3: electric electromagnetic field ideas about transplant trait transfer, but they

504
00:37:01,773 --> 00:37:04,413
Speaker 3: related more to the heart, which does have a big

505
00:37:04,493 --> 00:37:11,253
Speaker 3: electrical feel. The third type of nation involves the possible

506
00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:16,453
Speaker 3: storage of memories in cells, including their epigenetic DNAAR and

507
00:37:16,533 --> 00:37:20,773
Speaker 3: A or protein components, and it was it was this

508
00:37:21,773 --> 00:37:26,293
Speaker 3: hypothesis that fits the facts of this study. It suggests

509
00:37:26,333 --> 00:37:31,493
Speaker 3: that all living cells contain memory, meaning that history and

510
00:37:31,533 --> 00:37:34,573
Speaker 3: hence future actions can be passed on from a donor

511
00:37:34,613 --> 00:37:39,133
Speaker 3: to the transplant issue via this to the transplant recipient

512
00:37:39,213 --> 00:37:40,893
Speaker 3: via this tissue that they get.

513
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:42,613
Speaker 2: So what does this mean?

514
00:37:43,933 --> 00:37:48,653
Speaker 3: What it points to is a huge deficiency in our

515
00:37:48,733 --> 00:37:54,653
Speaker 3: knowledge of how genetics works. So far biotechnology biology has

516
00:37:54,733 --> 00:37:59,373
Speaker 3: really tried to discard consciousness from the discussion and from

517
00:37:59,373 --> 00:38:04,573
Speaker 3: the science. But this points to a very tight intimate

518
00:38:04,653 --> 00:38:11,773
Speaker 3: relationship between consciousness, memory, and cellular genetic activity. This is

519
00:38:11,813 --> 00:38:16,773
Speaker 3: a bombshell finding because if you are, if you are

520
00:38:17,493 --> 00:38:21,733
Speaker 3: as as is happening embarking on a whole new range

521
00:38:21,773 --> 00:38:25,973
Speaker 3: of so called genetic medication, how are you going to

522
00:38:25,973 --> 00:38:31,413
Speaker 3: affect people's consciousness? And that's really a huge red flag.

523
00:38:32,053 --> 00:38:36,373
Speaker 3: The implication is obvious biotech interventions that cross the cell

524
00:38:36,493 --> 00:38:41,573
Speaker 3: membrane and insert cellular genetic material like gene therapies, DNA

525
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:45,373
Speaker 3: and our mRNA vaccines, gain of function, viral material, etc.

526
00:38:47,053 --> 00:38:50,173
Speaker 3: Are even more risky than it has been imagined by

527
00:38:50,213 --> 00:38:54,693
Speaker 3: anyone to date. They could be editing what makes us human.

528
00:38:55,373 --> 00:38:58,853
Speaker 3: This is, you know, incredible. I've written an article about

529
00:38:58,853 --> 00:39:04,133
Speaker 3: it which has gone very widely. And when you look

530
00:39:04,293 --> 00:39:10,653
Speaker 3: at the COVID pandemic or the mRNA vaccine, they actually

531
00:39:10,733 --> 00:39:14,453
Speaker 3: start to influence the physiology on a scale that's commensurate

532
00:39:14,533 --> 00:39:19,053
Speaker 3: with organ size. For example, It's estimated there are as

533
00:39:19,093 --> 00:39:23,573
Speaker 3: many as ten billion COVID varyons present during peak COVID infection,

534
00:39:24,413 --> 00:39:28,373
Speaker 3: and each COVID shot contains trillions of the m RNA molecules,

535
00:39:28,893 --> 00:39:32,013
Speaker 3: which changed the genetic operation of billions of cells. Well,

536
00:39:32,013 --> 00:39:35,453
Speaker 3: a human liver contains around two hundred and forty billion

537
00:39:35,573 --> 00:39:39,573
Speaker 3: cells and a kidney far fewer. So COVID infection and

538
00:39:39,733 --> 00:39:43,293
Speaker 3: mRNA vaccine technology are just in the right ballpark to

539
00:39:43,533 --> 00:39:48,093
Speaker 3: influence our psychological and behavioral profile. That's a huge red

540
00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:52,693
Speaker 3: flag area that we don't know anything about. The people

541
00:39:52,733 --> 00:39:57,893
Speaker 3: haven't studied. And then here where we're faced with a

542
00:39:57,933 --> 00:40:03,973
Speaker 3: pandemic that certainly has affected this the social consciousness of

543
00:40:04,013 --> 00:40:08,613
Speaker 3: the world. There's been widespread polarization of ideas. There have

544
00:40:08,693 --> 00:40:13,413
Speaker 3: been the proliferation of extreme ideas. Have we been changing

545
00:40:13,453 --> 00:40:16,413
Speaker 3: the way people think? I want to New York Times

546
00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:17,413
Speaker 3: thinks we might have been.

547
00:40:17,613 --> 00:40:20,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have run something past you. Just as

548
00:40:20,413 --> 00:40:24,133
Speaker 2: a matter of interest, What if we discovered what if

549
00:40:24,133 --> 00:40:30,613
Speaker 2: it was discovered that every one of us, within our

550
00:40:30,893 --> 00:40:37,733
Speaker 2: genetic system carries the history of our world, our ancestors.

551
00:40:38,693 --> 00:40:41,893
Speaker 2: I don't know quite how to frame it, but going

552
00:40:41,973 --> 00:40:45,013
Speaker 2: right back to I mean, my mother traced the family

553
00:40:45,413 --> 00:40:49,133
Speaker 2: family back to trying to think who it was now,

554
00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:53,053
Speaker 2: but somebody very famous in England, some military person in

555
00:40:53,093 --> 00:40:59,533
Speaker 2: England centuries ago. What if if those genes have affected

556
00:40:59,813 --> 00:41:05,173
Speaker 2: or have carried forth through the generations, and that I

557
00:41:05,493 --> 00:41:09,893
Speaker 2: or you or whoever all of us have them, have

558
00:41:10,013 --> 00:41:14,133
Speaker 2: the memories embedded in our system, we just don't know

559
00:41:14,173 --> 00:41:16,573
Speaker 2: how to find them.

560
00:41:16,773 --> 00:41:22,013
Speaker 3: Well, certainly the memories of the illnesses that are ancests

561
00:41:22,053 --> 00:41:24,093
Speaker 3: has suffered are embedded in our genes.

562
00:41:24,093 --> 00:41:24,973
Speaker 2: That we do know.

563
00:41:26,533 --> 00:41:31,093
Speaker 3: That the diet, there's an ardguy read recently your grandparents

564
00:41:31,213 --> 00:41:33,733
Speaker 3: diet could still be affecting you and your kid's health

565
00:41:34,133 --> 00:41:38,493
Speaker 3: because that's the whole field of epigenetics. So genes definitely,

566
00:41:38,533 --> 00:41:42,133
Speaker 3: and this is now just ordinary science. Genes definitely store

567
00:41:42,173 --> 00:41:47,533
Speaker 3: all the information about past diseases and so on. But

568
00:41:48,133 --> 00:41:52,253
Speaker 3: is it more than that? Yes, And that's that's the

569
00:41:52,373 --> 00:41:54,813
Speaker 3: question that you know, people have not asked.

570
00:41:54,853 --> 00:41:56,373
Speaker 2: Now. It's ridiculous.

571
00:41:57,013 --> 00:42:03,013
Speaker 3: In you know, my original field of study, theoretical physics.

572
00:42:03,053 --> 00:42:07,133
Speaker 3: At the turn of the of the last century, you

573
00:42:07,893 --> 00:42:12,493
Speaker 3: physics had to admit consciousness into its fundamental theories. The

574
00:42:12,613 --> 00:42:17,773
Speaker 3: observer is an integral part of the universe. How is

575
00:42:17,813 --> 00:42:23,573
Speaker 3: it that biology has excluded consciousness? Whereas you know, if

576
00:42:23,613 --> 00:42:27,853
Speaker 3: there's one thing that defines a living system, it is consciousness.

577
00:42:28,933 --> 00:42:33,813
Speaker 3: How have we left that out and relegated it in

578
00:42:33,813 --> 00:42:36,133
Speaker 3: the sense to the field of psychology. It should be

579
00:42:36,173 --> 00:42:41,573
Speaker 3: there in biology. And this is something that really I've

580
00:42:41,613 --> 00:42:46,093
Speaker 3: talked a lot about and written a lot about, is

581
00:42:46,133 --> 00:42:53,213
Speaker 3: that intimate relationship between biology and consciousness, between mind and body.

582
00:42:53,733 --> 00:43:00,413
Speaker 3: And as we become more invasive in our medical interventions,

583
00:43:00,493 --> 00:43:04,573
Speaker 3: we have potentially more damaging effects on the psychology. And

584
00:43:05,093 --> 00:43:11,493
Speaker 3: again it's a part of mainstream publishing that almost all

585
00:43:11,733 --> 00:43:15,693
Speaker 3: medications do affect consciousness in some way or another. If

586
00:43:15,693 --> 00:43:19,333
Speaker 3: you're going to get into that level of genetic organization,

587
00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:25,973
Speaker 3: which then you're going to affect the psychology, and how

588
00:43:26,013 --> 00:43:29,173
Speaker 3: does that work? As we started out with this interview,

589
00:43:29,333 --> 00:43:34,533
Speaker 3: the body protects the uniformity of genetic intervention. If we're

590
00:43:34,533 --> 00:43:40,053
Speaker 3: going to change that uniformity of genetic information, what are

591
00:43:40,093 --> 00:43:44,173
Speaker 3: we changing. We don't know, because we don't know exactly

592
00:43:44,213 --> 00:43:52,693
Speaker 3: how higher human emotions and values emerge from or are

593
00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:58,373
Speaker 3: supported by our genetics. These are questions that no one

594
00:43:58,413 --> 00:44:01,533
Speaker 3: has answered, and this opens up This is the world

595
00:44:01,613 --> 00:44:06,853
Speaker 3: that we're discovering now with this mass vaccination, we're starting

596
00:44:06,893 --> 00:44:10,453
Speaker 3: to discover has it changed the world that we live in?

597
00:44:10,573 --> 00:44:13,893
Speaker 3: And I think you talk to almost anyone and they'll

598
00:44:13,933 --> 00:44:16,493
Speaker 3: tell you the pandemic changed the world that we lived in.

599
00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:21,973
Speaker 2: Really quite extraordinary. I've seen no reference to anything like

600
00:44:22,013 --> 00:44:26,493
Speaker 2: that elsewhere. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, especially in some

601
00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:30,333
Speaker 2: of the journals. But now that you raise it, I

602
00:44:31,573 --> 00:44:34,093
Speaker 2: guess there is certainly room for speculation.

603
00:44:35,213 --> 00:44:37,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's room for speculation, and there's room for a

604
00:44:37,853 --> 00:44:40,333
Speaker 3: search too, and there's room to open doors that have

605
00:44:40,413 --> 00:44:42,973
Speaker 3: remained firmly closed for no good reason.

606
00:44:43,773 --> 00:44:48,173
Speaker 2: Well, that takes me back to the media. The media

607
00:44:48,213 --> 00:44:51,973
Speaker 2: has failed in its job over a number of you,

608
00:44:52,173 --> 00:44:55,253
Speaker 2: over a couple of decades, at the very least in

609
00:44:55,973 --> 00:45:01,933
Speaker 2: refusing to entertain any any ideas apart from whatever the

610
00:45:02,053 --> 00:45:05,693
Speaker 2: particular mandated ideas might be at a given time. And

611
00:45:05,733 --> 00:45:07,853
Speaker 2: we've had more than more than one of them.

612
00:45:08,773 --> 00:45:11,893
Speaker 3: So easy to poke fun at the at the media,

613
00:45:12,813 --> 00:45:15,373
Speaker 3: but very difficult to get them to change their.

614
00:45:16,853 --> 00:45:24,053
Speaker 2: What do we do late? It's an interesting Well. I

615
00:45:24,453 --> 00:45:28,093
Speaker 2: just think that there is quite a deal of revelation

616
00:45:28,693 --> 00:45:32,933
Speaker 2: taking place at the moment. With regard to various various

617
00:45:32,973 --> 00:45:37,373
Speaker 2: things that are important in all our lives worldwide, this

618
00:45:37,573 --> 00:45:41,213
Speaker 2: is this is one of them. The handling of the

619
00:45:41,293 --> 00:45:46,013
Speaker 2: of the pandemic was atrocious, and I think we well,

620
00:45:46,133 --> 00:45:47,293
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think we all know

621
00:45:47,413 --> 00:45:50,333
Speaker 2: that now, but we don't because there are people who

622
00:45:50,373 --> 00:45:53,333
Speaker 2: don't want to even confront it. There's the climate matter.

623
00:45:53,693 --> 00:45:57,613
Speaker 2: There are other things, and there are wars, and the wars.

624
00:45:57,693 --> 00:46:00,973
Speaker 2: The wars might be a very good example at this

625
00:46:01,013 --> 00:46:05,213
Speaker 2: point of time, for instance, this is a slightly different

626
00:46:05,373 --> 00:46:09,373
Speaker 2: different perspective. How long is the is war been going on?

627
00:46:10,893 --> 00:46:18,333
Speaker 2: Thousands of years? Exactly? Exactly? How much do we know

628
00:46:18,453 --> 00:46:21,933
Speaker 2: about those thousands of years? The majority of people haven't

629
00:46:21,933 --> 00:46:24,853
Speaker 2: got a clue, And kids who are going through school

630
00:46:24,853 --> 00:46:27,613
Speaker 2: now have no clue whatsoever, So they take to the

631
00:46:27,613 --> 00:46:32,533
Speaker 2: streets because they're so stupidly ignorant. And whose fault is that, Well,

632
00:46:32,653 --> 00:46:35,413
Speaker 2: you can only say that that's the fault of adults,

633
00:46:36,013 --> 00:46:41,493
Speaker 2: because they before them haven't followed any enlightening path. But

634
00:46:41,533 --> 00:46:47,493
Speaker 2: there are other things. The Ukrainian War, they've been going

635
00:46:47,493 --> 00:46:50,973
Speaker 2: what is it four years? Four years they've been fighting this.

636
00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:54,533
Speaker 3: War again, it's an endless war because you go back

637
00:46:54,533 --> 00:46:56,733
Speaker 3: to the Second World War and the Germans and the

638
00:46:56,813 --> 00:47:01,613
Speaker 3: Russians fought over Karkiff in the Second World War, but

639
00:47:01,773 --> 00:47:05,573
Speaker 3: absolutely vicious fighting went on in exactly the same place

640
00:47:05,613 --> 00:47:10,253
Speaker 3: that's going on today. These wars a result of stress.

641
00:47:11,293 --> 00:47:17,733
Speaker 3: When stress builds up, then it erupts into conflict. So

642
00:47:18,093 --> 00:47:22,613
Speaker 3: very high levels of stress are followed by polarization, and

643
00:47:22,933 --> 00:47:28,293
Speaker 3: war follows on after polarization. And there are historically we're

644
00:47:28,333 --> 00:47:34,693
Speaker 3: talking here about past events being stored in the physiology. Well,

645
00:47:34,933 --> 00:47:38,573
Speaker 3: certainly these events are stored in some kind of sense

646
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Speaker 3: within cultural groups and just continue on. And that's why

647
00:47:43,853 --> 00:47:48,133
Speaker 3: I've been a big fan of meditation, because meditation releases stress.

648
00:47:48,853 --> 00:47:52,493
Speaker 3: It's very important that we have ways to release stress

649
00:47:52,533 --> 00:47:56,693
Speaker 3: in society. There's otherwise it's going to break out in war.

650
00:47:57,573 --> 00:48:00,213
Speaker 3: It's not acceptable war.

651
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Speaker 2: Now.

652
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Speaker 3: I know people are talking about talking about nuclear war

653
00:48:05,133 --> 00:48:07,733
Speaker 3: as if it's somehow something that can be survived.

654
00:48:08,493 --> 00:48:08,973
Speaker 2: It can't.

655
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Speaker 3: So level stress are very important that they are controlled

656
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Speaker 3: in ways that are helpful and nourishing.

657
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Speaker 2: Now this the article, the long essential read. The dam

658
00:48:24,493 --> 00:48:28,053
Speaker 2: is breaking, the biotech bubble is Bursting is something that

659
00:48:28,093 --> 00:48:32,853
Speaker 2: I would encourage everybody to read. That's not all, of course,

660
00:48:32,893 --> 00:48:36,373
Speaker 2: because there is the there is the other matter of

661
00:48:36,413 --> 00:48:40,053
Speaker 2: the International Genetic Charter, of course, and both of them

662
00:48:40,453 --> 00:48:43,693
Speaker 2: are important. But would I be wrong in saying that

663
00:48:44,013 --> 00:48:47,333
Speaker 2: long essential read the dam is breaking is the one

664
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Speaker 2: that's dominant. Yeah, No, I think that's that's fine, all right?

665
00:48:52,653 --> 00:48:56,773
Speaker 2: What a quote from it. Eight years before the COVID

666
00:48:56,853 --> 00:49:00,333
Speaker 2: nineteen pandemic, scientists knew about the risk of an accidental

667
00:49:00,533 --> 00:49:04,733
Speaker 2: or deliberate release of a new version of SARS covid ie,

668
00:49:05,693 --> 00:49:08,293
Speaker 2: and they also knew that the disease had an un

669
00:49:08,413 --> 00:49:16,053
Speaker 2: usual feature vaccines made the symptoms worse. Yet, somehow, biotechnologists

670
00:49:16,053 --> 00:49:18,613
Speaker 2: in both the West and the East decided to initiate

671
00:49:18,733 --> 00:49:22,493
Speaker 2: gain of function research, which developed more virulent types of

672
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Speaker 2: coronavirus upon its escape from a lab. They forced the

673
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Speaker 2: widespread use of a range of novel biotech COVID vaccines

674
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Speaker 2: on the public, following minimal and obviously inadequate safety testing,

675
00:49:35,853 --> 00:49:38,933
Speaker 2: as though we were a bunch of rats to be

676
00:49:39,013 --> 00:49:44,333
Speaker 2: experimented on while mad people tried to play god. Given

677
00:49:44,493 --> 00:49:48,093
Speaker 2: what was already known to science, none of this makes

678
00:49:48,133 --> 00:49:53,733
Speaker 2: any sense unless there was a much darker motivation or

679
00:49:53,773 --> 00:49:58,413
Speaker 2: plural motivations somewhere in play you want to expand on it.

680
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Speaker 3: I think what has happened is that there was a

681
00:50:04,613 --> 00:50:10,133
Speaker 3: belief that somehow genes and gene research was going to

682
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Speaker 3: fix everything that was wrong with the human race, and

683
00:50:14,213 --> 00:50:18,573
Speaker 3: the people who developed gene editing, Chris Burr and so on,

684
00:50:19,213 --> 00:50:24,893
Speaker 3: really started to talk in almost kind of religious terms

685
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Speaker 3: about the new era of mankind. How they managed to

686
00:50:30,533 --> 00:50:35,253
Speaker 3: do that if they look through the preceding publication, I mean,

687
00:50:35,373 --> 00:50:39,013
Speaker 3: like this particular paper that you've just referred to. It

688
00:50:39,093 --> 00:50:43,813
Speaker 3: was published in twenty twelve, Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines

689
00:50:43,933 --> 00:50:48,533
Speaker 3: leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus.

690
00:50:49,293 --> 00:50:53,533
Speaker 3: They were ignoring what it should not have been ignored.

691
00:50:53,653 --> 00:50:57,893
Speaker 3: They were ignoring the failure of gene therapy trials, the

692
00:50:57,933 --> 00:51:00,973
Speaker 3: fact that people were dying in gene therapy trials and

693
00:51:01,013 --> 00:51:07,053
Speaker 3: still are. They were ignoring obvious risks, but they were

694
00:51:07,093 --> 00:51:13,293
Speaker 3: putting out this so of quas a religious philosophy, that

695
00:51:13,813 --> 00:51:17,613
Speaker 3: this is the era when we'll live long, will live healthy,

696
00:51:18,573 --> 00:51:23,933
Speaker 3: and we'll have genes that where everything is fixed. And

697
00:51:23,973 --> 00:51:27,853
Speaker 3: there was no basis to make such claims they should

698
00:51:27,893 --> 00:51:30,453
Speaker 3: have looked at the science and realized there were problems.

699
00:51:31,693 --> 00:51:34,973
Speaker 3: I mean, it's frightening. Actually this paper in twenty twelve,

700
00:51:35,013 --> 00:51:39,973
Speaker 3: which clearly spells out the fact that there will probably

701
00:51:40,053 --> 00:51:47,413
Speaker 3: be another coronavirus epidemic and we should be careful because

702
00:51:47,573 --> 00:51:51,053
Speaker 3: vaccines are going to make it worse. It spelled out

703
00:51:51,093 --> 00:51:55,653
Speaker 3: in black and white. Sort of frightening that we then

704
00:51:55,773 --> 00:51:58,933
Speaker 3: suddenly entered into an era where, according to the New

705
00:51:59,013 --> 00:52:05,173
Speaker 3: York Times investigation in Wuhan, they literally developed using gain

706
00:52:05,213 --> 00:52:09,213
Speaker 3: and function, thousands of versions of coronavirus that were stored

707
00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:13,333
Speaker 3: in a B two level lab. B two level is

708
00:52:13,373 --> 00:52:18,493
Speaker 3: a very low level of security in the lab of biosecurity.

709
00:52:19,133 --> 00:52:22,613
Speaker 3: It should have been be four level. Well, it shouldn't

710
00:52:22,613 --> 00:52:27,333
Speaker 3: have happened at all. It was madness, but it happened

711
00:52:27,333 --> 00:52:31,293
Speaker 3: in a lab with a low level of biosecurity. Unbelievable

712
00:52:31,733 --> 00:52:36,853
Speaker 3: that that would happen, and unbelievable that the perpetrators, the

713
00:52:36,933 --> 00:52:40,053
Speaker 3: people who were helping and funding and designing it in

714
00:52:40,173 --> 00:52:45,653
Speaker 3: both China and the West, people like FACCI and DAZAC

715
00:52:45,773 --> 00:52:49,173
Speaker 3: and so on, that they would then try to hide

716
00:52:49,213 --> 00:52:55,253
Speaker 3: what they'd done, that they would then do everything to

717
00:52:55,293 --> 00:52:58,453
Speaker 3: obfuscate the issue and make people believe it had come

718
00:52:58,533 --> 00:53:01,653
Speaker 3: from animals where they knew very well what had been

719
00:53:01,733 --> 00:53:02,773
Speaker 3: going on in that lab.

720
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Speaker 2: Would you agree or argue otherwise that how she should

721
00:53:07,293 --> 00:53:10,493
Speaker 2: be behind both. There are.

722
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Speaker 3: Millions of biotechnologists around the world doing risky research. Right

723
00:53:19,773 --> 00:53:21,893
Speaker 3: you could put one or two of them behind bars

724
00:53:22,533 --> 00:53:24,853
Speaker 3: the work pertas of the worst of vendors. But there

725
00:53:24,933 --> 00:53:29,613
Speaker 3: are millions of people around the world every day these

726
00:53:30,213 --> 00:53:37,333
Speaker 3: days doing risky research on serious illnesses, and the biosecurity

727
00:53:37,573 --> 00:53:41,453
Speaker 3: is just not there, and that is why there is

728
00:53:41,493 --> 00:53:46,773
Speaker 3: a need for an international Genetic Charter to protect us

729
00:53:47,493 --> 00:53:51,653
Speaker 3: from this madness that has overtaken the entire world. There

730
00:53:51,693 --> 00:53:55,773
Speaker 3: are thousands of labs all over the world and they're

731
00:53:55,773 --> 00:53:59,213
Speaker 3: in all kinds of countries. They get almost every country now,

732
00:53:59,373 --> 00:54:04,893
Speaker 3: including New Zealand fields. It's very important to have research

733
00:54:05,053 --> 00:54:10,173
Speaker 3: labs doing research on very serious illnesses, and mistakes are

734
00:54:10,253 --> 00:54:14,053
Speaker 3: absolutely inevitable. Again, you look at the published research that

735
00:54:14,093 --> 00:54:18,093
Speaker 3: there's a lot of research on how safe these labs are.

736
00:54:18,133 --> 00:54:24,933
Speaker 3: They're not safe. Escapes are normal. Fortunately, most escape material

737
00:54:25,093 --> 00:54:29,653
Speaker 3: sort of gets eaten up in the environment, but occasionally

738
00:54:29,693 --> 00:54:34,133
Speaker 3: it doesn't and now we're multiplying what's going on. So

739
00:54:34,213 --> 00:54:38,053
Speaker 3: the solution is not to pick one villain here, but

740
00:54:38,173 --> 00:54:41,613
Speaker 3: it's to look at a system and regulate it properly.

741
00:54:42,693 --> 00:54:46,373
Speaker 2: There's nothing I can find to be critical of in

742
00:54:46,413 --> 00:54:50,453
Speaker 2: what you've said, apart from the last sentence about picking

743
00:54:50,493 --> 00:54:54,453
Speaker 2: on one. You've got to start somewhere, and it is

744
00:54:54,573 --> 00:54:58,093
Speaker 2: now patently obvious. Well, I guess you'd say, I guess

745
00:54:58,133 --> 00:55:01,133
Speaker 2: you could say it's been proven that fault she lied

746
00:55:01,333 --> 00:55:05,373
Speaker 2: and lied and lied over the activities that he was

747
00:55:05,413 --> 00:55:07,933
Speaker 2: involved in, what they were up to and tried to

748
00:55:07,973 --> 00:55:10,613
Speaker 2: cover up up. To me, there's only one answer to that,

749
00:55:10,733 --> 00:55:15,253
Speaker 2: and that's some that that charges and a child term.

750
00:55:15,973 --> 00:55:18,493
Speaker 3: I may come to that, but you know, I've got

751
00:55:18,493 --> 00:55:21,773
Speaker 3: to realize that America has a trillion dollar biotechnology and

752
00:55:22,533 --> 00:55:27,653
Speaker 3: industry that it has that the Biden administration is putting

753
00:55:27,653 --> 00:55:31,253
Speaker 3: at the center of its economic strategy going into the

754
00:55:32,373 --> 00:55:36,493
Speaker 3: next decade. Are they going to put one of the

755
00:55:36,613 --> 00:55:38,573
Speaker 3: architects of this up on trial?

756
00:55:39,493 --> 00:55:45,213
Speaker 2: But Tauci and Tauci and and others were doing illegal things.

757
00:55:46,013 --> 00:55:50,893
Speaker 3: Yeah they were, absolutely they were. But you know, look

758
00:55:50,933 --> 00:55:53,933
Speaker 3: at politics today. Isn't the essence of politics to lie

759
00:55:53,973 --> 00:55:57,773
Speaker 3: as much as you can get away with. And I'm

760
00:55:57,813 --> 00:56:02,213
Speaker 3: afraid this has come into science now. I'm only trying

761
00:56:02,253 --> 00:56:07,813
Speaker 3: to be what, just trying to say that it's will

762
00:56:07,813 --> 00:56:13,373
Speaker 3: it happen and express some outrage that there is no

763
00:56:14,053 --> 00:56:19,933
Speaker 3: accountability here in a vast enterprise. Where are the parallels

764
00:56:19,933 --> 00:56:22,253
Speaker 3: to this kind of enterprise. I'm afraid we're going to

765
00:56:22,293 --> 00:56:25,213
Speaker 3: have to use go back to things that you said,

766
00:56:26,013 --> 00:56:32,573
Speaker 3: you know, Stalinis, Russia, or or Hitler's Germany, where vast

767
00:56:32,853 --> 00:56:38,653
Speaker 3: enterprises where millions of people are complicit. And that's the

768
00:56:38,733 --> 00:56:41,973
Speaker 3: situation that we're in, only it's not confined to one country.

769
00:56:42,013 --> 00:56:47,573
Speaker 3: It's it's global. We're in a globalist world and we

770
00:56:47,773 --> 00:56:51,013
Speaker 3: have to work out how to proceed from here. And

771
00:56:51,093 --> 00:56:54,453
Speaker 3: I have ideas about that, but that's another it's probably

772
00:56:54,493 --> 00:56:55,773
Speaker 3: another podcast.

773
00:56:56,493 --> 00:57:03,973
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'll make note of that. There is something

774
00:57:04,013 --> 00:57:07,653
Speaker 2: I would have raise with you. Just finally. It's to

775
00:57:07,653 --> 00:57:13,973
Speaker 2: do with science, But it's a different matter. Who confirms

776
00:57:14,053 --> 00:57:18,733
Speaker 2: bird flu death in Mexico? As trust the science experts

777
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:26,133
Speaker 2: want to test America's forty million cows. Somebody told me

778
00:57:26,173 --> 00:57:29,653
Speaker 2: the other day that as far as the bird flu

779
00:57:29,733 --> 00:57:31,813
Speaker 2: is concerned, the only way it can get to humans

780
00:57:31,973 --> 00:57:37,533
Speaker 2: is via fecal matter, and advised me to make sure

781
00:57:37,573 --> 00:57:41,493
Speaker 2: that we washed all the eggs before we cracked them. Now,

782
00:57:41,493 --> 00:57:43,173
Speaker 2: I don't know what you think of that, but I'm

783
00:57:43,213 --> 00:57:43,733
Speaker 2: asking you.

784
00:57:46,133 --> 00:57:50,893
Speaker 3: Well, this has come out of a directive from Dr

785
00:57:51,013 --> 00:57:54,573
Speaker 3: Jeremy Farah, the Chief Scientists of the World Health Organization,

786
00:57:57,373 --> 00:58:01,733
Speaker 3: and he has recently said that bird flu, which is

787
00:58:02,373 --> 00:58:07,533
Speaker 3: H five and one avian influenza virus, had an extremely

788
00:58:07,693 --> 00:58:12,133
Speaker 3: high more rate among the several hundred people known to

789
00:58:12,173 --> 00:58:16,813
Speaker 3: have been infected with it to date. Now that's what

790
00:58:16,933 --> 00:58:20,213
Speaker 3: he said. What he didn't say was that these several

791
00:58:20,293 --> 00:58:24,373
Speaker 3: hundred people have been infected over a twenty seven year

792
00:58:24,613 --> 00:58:30,613
Speaker 3: period in twenty three countries. That's less than one person

793
00:58:31,013 --> 00:58:34,893
Speaker 3: per year per country. And it's been going on for

794
00:58:34,933 --> 00:58:38,613
Speaker 3: twenty seven years that we've known about bird flow. Now,

795
00:58:38,693 --> 00:58:43,413
Speaker 3: during that whole time, even up to today, no human

796
00:58:43,573 --> 00:58:47,333
Speaker 3: to human H five N one transmission has yet been recorded.

797
00:58:48,813 --> 00:58:53,533
Speaker 3: In other words, you catch bird flu from animals, and

798
00:58:53,573 --> 00:58:58,173
Speaker 3: if you want to wash your eggs before you eat them,

799
00:58:58,493 --> 00:59:03,373
Speaker 3: that's fine, But the number of people catching bird flu

800
00:59:04,053 --> 00:59:08,133
Speaker 3: is very, very very small. Indeed, and then the suggestion

801
00:59:08,493 --> 00:59:13,493
Speaker 3: that we got from doctor Michael Baker that because of

802
00:59:13,533 --> 00:59:17,653
Speaker 3: this announcement by the World Health Organization we should all

803
00:59:17,693 --> 00:59:23,253
Speaker 3: go back to wearing masks is insane, insane because there's

804
00:59:23,253 --> 00:59:27,013
Speaker 3: no indication that it's airborne infection at all due to

805
00:59:27,813 --> 00:59:33,093
Speaker 3: actual contact. And you know, there's a recent study on

806
00:59:33,253 --> 00:59:40,653
Speaker 3: mask wearing that this is what it found is that

807
00:59:41,733 --> 00:59:46,933
Speaker 3: by wearing these masks, you were inhaling volatile organic compounds

808
00:59:47,253 --> 00:59:58,413
Speaker 3: xylene acrolene, per, polyflored alkali phalate, lead, Cabbian copper, and

809
00:59:58,453 --> 01:00:02,173
Speaker 3: so on, all kinds of things that you're regularly inhaling.

810
01:00:02,213 --> 01:00:04,373
Speaker 3: If you're going to wear a mask regularly for a

811
01:00:04,453 --> 01:00:10,413
Speaker 3: disease that actually you can't catch from the air, this

812
01:00:10,573 --> 01:00:15,573
Speaker 3: is the kind of sort of panicked response that we

813
01:00:15,653 --> 01:00:19,493
Speaker 3: don't need. We just don't need this sort of panicked thinking.

814
01:00:19,893 --> 01:00:22,453
Speaker 3: And why is this even coming out? I mean, look,

815
01:00:22,493 --> 01:00:25,533
Speaker 3: it was a moment's work when I saw first started

816
01:00:25,533 --> 01:00:29,133
Speaker 3: seeing the articles that suddenly appeared in our papers. There

817
01:00:29,213 --> 01:00:31,693
Speaker 3: was a moment's work to look up the scientific studies

818
01:00:32,013 --> 01:00:36,413
Speaker 3: and the actual data. I mean, newspaper writers should be

819
01:00:36,453 --> 01:00:39,173
Speaker 3: capable of doing this kind of research. They can't just

820
01:00:40,413 --> 01:00:44,253
Speaker 3: have some sort of release from the World Health Organization

821
01:00:44,453 --> 01:00:47,693
Speaker 3: land on their desk and they reprint its content without

822
01:00:47,733 --> 01:00:52,133
Speaker 3: really thinking about it. What they can well, they do, yes,

823
01:00:52,733 --> 01:00:58,653
Speaker 3: But it's no wonder you referred earlier on to the

824
01:00:58,773 --> 01:01:02,893
Speaker 3: Washington Post, the editor or the owner getting it annoyed

825
01:01:02,973 --> 01:01:06,893
Speaker 3: because the articles that they were printing were trash. Well,

826
01:01:07,173 --> 01:01:08,733
Speaker 3: I think the same implies here.

827
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Speaker 2: One day, maybe there'll be a title awakening. So finally,

828
01:01:17,373 --> 01:01:22,453
Speaker 2: the finally, finally, the articles that we've referred to the

829
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Speaker 2: International Genetic Charter and your long essential readers, you call

830
01:01:28,093 --> 01:01:32,213
Speaker 2: it the dam is breaking. Where can those people who

831
01:01:32,253 --> 01:01:36,253
Speaker 2: want and I hope everybody does, where can I find them?

832
01:01:36,973 --> 01:01:39,053
Speaker 3: You can go to the hatch Yard Report dot com.

833
01:01:39,213 --> 01:01:42,813
Speaker 3: Just so just hatch yd Report dot com and right

834
01:01:42,813 --> 01:01:46,013
Speaker 3: there on the front page there there's an article there

835
01:01:46,093 --> 01:01:50,013
Speaker 3: that's the latest article. Plus there's a banner to find

836
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Speaker 3: out more about the International Genetic Charter. If you want

837
01:01:53,813 --> 01:02:00,093
Speaker 3: more in depth writing on dangers of genetic engineering where

838
01:02:00,133 --> 01:02:06,373
Speaker 3: we look at the articles with a very sort of

839
01:02:06,373 --> 01:02:11,733
Speaker 3: tight focus on what exactly is going on with biotechnology

840
01:02:11,773 --> 01:02:15,573
Speaker 3: and genetic engineering in medicine, then you can glow to

841
01:02:15,853 --> 01:02:19,453
Speaker 3: Globe dot global and so you'll need the h T T.

842
01:02:19,813 --> 01:02:21,133
Speaker 2: No, you don't. No, you don't need it.

843
01:02:22,373 --> 01:02:25,693
Speaker 3: Well if it, Yeah, it depends on what your history

844
01:02:25,893 --> 01:02:30,293
Speaker 3: is if you on your browser, So you may need

845
01:02:30,373 --> 01:02:35,333
Speaker 3: to put in the https colon forward slash forward slash

846
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Speaker 3: Globe dot global, and once you've gone there once, you'll

847
01:02:41,013 --> 01:02:42,773
Speaker 3: never need to put that other thing in again.

848
01:02:42,893 --> 01:02:47,213
Speaker 2: Okay. I I've only looked at it once and I

849
01:02:47,333 --> 01:02:49,213
Speaker 2: just I just put in Globe dot Global.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good, Well it may it may be because a

851
01:02:51,933 --> 01:02:54,173
Speaker 3: lot of people are now going there that and you'll

852
01:02:54,173 --> 01:02:57,453
Speaker 3: see there you can sign up to the International Genetic

853
01:02:57,573 --> 01:03:03,293
Speaker 3: Charter and you can look at it terms very simple. Look,

854
01:03:03,293 --> 01:03:08,013
Speaker 3: it's only a couple of minutes reading, and you can

855
01:03:08,453 --> 01:03:11,213
Speaker 3: then sign your John Hancock to it.

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Speaker 2: All right, then I repeat that I encourage I encourage

857
01:03:16,653 --> 01:03:21,133
Speaker 2: everybody to do it. Otherwise you're denying yourself some I

858
01:03:21,133 --> 01:03:24,613
Speaker 2: think important information. So I do have one last question.

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Speaker 2: I promise you've been writing the hat Shot Report publishing

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Speaker 2: it for how long? Oh it's about three years now,

861
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Speaker 2: it seems like longer. How come you have escaped prosecution

862
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Speaker 2: or persecution?

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Speaker 3: Well, I did got I did have a couple of

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Speaker 3: articles right at the beginning, but I gave as good

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Speaker 3: as I got, and I think I all of my

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Speaker 3: articles I reference published science in mainstream scientific journals, So

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Speaker 3: I'm not stepping outside of mainstream science. I'm writing in

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Speaker 3: a rational way, and I'm quite open to questions and debates.

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Speaker 3: But people are you know how much debate do we

870
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Speaker 3: see in the media.

871
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Speaker 2: Almost none? Yeah, quite. You haven't stepped outside the bounds

872
01:04:25,213 --> 01:04:30,933
Speaker 2: of appropriate science, but you have overstepped the mark, or

873
01:04:30,973 --> 01:04:37,053
Speaker 2: stepped outside the bounds of the man dated views of

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Speaker 2: the last few years.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And our website comes under continual attack. We had

876
01:04:44,933 --> 01:04:48,173
Speaker 3: a huge attack when we released the International Genetic Charter.

877
01:04:48,653 --> 01:04:52,693
Speaker 3: Our websites came under a huge attack. There are people

878
01:04:52,733 --> 01:04:56,133
Speaker 3: with money and resources who don't want anyone to find

879
01:04:56,173 --> 01:04:59,213
Speaker 3: out much about biotechnology, whether it's safe or not.

880
01:05:00,293 --> 01:05:02,613
Speaker 2: So what prevented that attack from being successful?

881
01:05:03,453 --> 01:05:07,893
Speaker 3: Well, one of them was successful, But it's easily fixable.

882
01:05:08,413 --> 01:05:10,373
Speaker 3: We have, you know, we have to put a lot

883
01:05:10,373 --> 01:05:16,733
Speaker 3: of systems in place two protect what we're publishing. And

884
01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:20,613
Speaker 3: I think most people who are publishing these days where

885
01:05:20,813 --> 01:05:29,693
Speaker 3: there's some level of conscious controversy about vaccines and COVID vaccines, biotechnology,

886
01:05:29,773 --> 01:05:33,973
Speaker 3: vaccines and biotechnology, I've got probably had to put in

887
01:05:34,013 --> 01:05:35,413
Speaker 3: similar levels of protection.

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Speaker 2: Well, I stay with and maintain my attitude is simply

889
01:05:40,173 --> 01:05:45,173
Speaker 2: one of individual freedom, individual choice, and anybody who tries

890
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Speaker 2: to introduce the forcing, the mandating of anything when it

891
01:05:53,413 --> 01:05:59,453
Speaker 2: comes to the invasion of your of your body, I'm

892
01:05:59,493 --> 01:06:04,013
Speaker 2: opposed to it totally. Absolutely, it's worthy of it's actually

893
01:06:04,053 --> 01:06:09,093
Speaker 2: worthy of war. Yeah, it's been great, thank you, and

894
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Speaker 2: I might follow up on that other matter that you raise.

895
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Speaker 2: Looking forward to it, all right, thanks so much, thank you,

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Speaker 2: Layton Smith. Now from the fabulous range of products that

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Speaker 2: really work, which means that you don't from wet and forget.

898
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at some indoor products like pet

899
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Speaker 2: pong gon. If you got pets and they're giving a

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Speaker 2: grief inside, then this is for you. There is a

901
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Speaker 2: hand sanitizer too, and particularly I want to mention the

902
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Speaker 2: wet and forget indoor disinfect and cleaner. There are so

903
01:06:48,853 --> 01:06:52,293
Speaker 2: many bullet points to this that I'm not going to

904
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Speaker 2: try and include them all. But it kills ninety nine

905
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Speaker 2: point nine percent of bacteria and viruses, inhibits the growth

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Speaker 2: of mold and bildew, no bleach or irritating fumes. It's

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Speaker 2: easy spray and white formula cleans, disinfects, and deode arises

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Speaker 2: in one labor saving step. Eliminates dirt and soil, cuts

909
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Speaker 2: through tough grease and grime and destroys mold odors at

910
01:07:14,253 --> 01:07:18,333
Speaker 2: the source. And it doesn't just mask odors, it eliminates them.

911
01:07:18,413 --> 01:07:20,933
Speaker 2: Have a look at Wet and Forget online for the

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Speaker 2: Wet and Forget Indoor disinfect and Cleaner. You can order

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Speaker 2: it online at Wetinfiget dot co dot Nz. You can

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Speaker 2: call them on eight hundred and three zero three thousand,

915
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Speaker 2: or of course you can call into any one of

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Speaker 2: their twenty one standalone stores nationwide. But don't forget the

917
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Speaker 2: Wet and Forget Indoor Disinfectant Cleaner. Now went to the

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Speaker 2: mail room for two hundred and forty three and missus producer,

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Speaker 2: you will lighton. I'm okay, why don't you lead?

920
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Speaker 5: Alistair says another wonderful interview with Oliver Hartwich from the

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Speaker 5: New Zealand Institute, outlining the challenges and perhaps opportunities we

922
01:08:04,573 --> 01:08:08,133
Speaker 5: have following the demise of the destructive sixth Labor Government.

923
01:08:09,053 --> 01:08:10,693
Speaker 5: One thing that stuck in my mind is the date

924
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Speaker 5: of twenty thirty eight for bringing the government books back

925
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Speaker 5: to the halcyon days of two thousand and nineteen's abject

926
01:08:17,533 --> 01:08:21,773
Speaker 5: profligacy two thousand and thirty eight indicates to me that

927
01:08:21,853 --> 01:08:26,773
Speaker 5: this sixth National Government has already conceded defeat on the economy.

928
01:08:27,693 --> 01:08:31,253
Speaker 5: No government since the Holy Oak National Government, which was

929
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Speaker 5: nineteen sixty to seventy two, has ever lasted more than

930
01:08:35,173 --> 01:08:38,933
Speaker 5: three terms. That means the best this coalition can hope

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Speaker 5: for is to survive till twenty thirty two, and based

932
01:08:42,573 --> 01:08:45,213
Speaker 5: on this budget, they will be lucky to last that long,

933
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Speaker 5: given it seems they're happy to just manage the decline.

934
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Speaker 5: On the upside, I suppose maybe by then things will

935
01:08:50,973 --> 01:08:54,133
Speaker 5: be bad enough we can ask Ruth Richardson for forgiveness

936
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Speaker 5: and a return to Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, so he's a long one from Canada, obviously paying

938
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Speaker 2: by the word Laighton. Oliver Hartwitch's interview was excellent, a

939
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Speaker 2: real treat at two thirty am, cheers got.

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Speaker 6: Better things to do it too thirty am.

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Speaker 2: That's thank you, Rod.

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Speaker 5: Later and I timed Dr Oliver Hartwich. It took him

943
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Speaker 5: to four minutes to list everything that was broken in

944
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Speaker 5: New Zealand education. With that he qualified a statement that

945
01:09:26,413 --> 01:09:30,493
Speaker 5: indeed everything in our education is broken. In June twenty

946
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Speaker 5: twenty one, University of Auckland's pro vice chancellor of Maori

947
01:09:34,213 --> 01:09:38,613
Speaker 5: wrote an ophed entitled in Digenized University so Mariy can

948
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Speaker 5: be Maori. This is exactly the kind of crap that

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01:09:41,653 --> 01:09:46,293
Speaker 5: has poisoned our education system. Thankfully, the same university's professor

950
01:09:46,293 --> 01:09:50,093
Speaker 5: Elizabeth Rahta counted the stupidity with her own ophead last

951
01:09:50,173 --> 01:09:56,773
Speaker 5: year entitled in Digitization threatens the University's very foundations. I'm

952
01:09:56,773 --> 01:10:00,173
Speaker 5: glad Labour and Green's managed to inject critical race theory

953
01:10:00,173 --> 01:10:05,133
Speaker 5: into our education. I'm glad LGBT activists managed to push

954
01:10:05,213 --> 01:10:09,893
Speaker 5: sex change surgeries for kids against pair wishes. I'm glad

955
01:10:09,893 --> 01:10:14,333
Speaker 5: that the Democrats successfully committed perjury against Donald Trump. I'm

956
01:10:14,373 --> 01:10:17,453
Speaker 5: glad that the left always goes too far, and in

957
01:10:17,493 --> 01:10:21,493
Speaker 5: going too far, people wake up. If the EU elections

958
01:10:21,773 --> 01:10:25,973
Speaker 5: is any indication the conservative giant within us is finally stirring,

959
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Speaker 5: and I have a dream that one day we will

960
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Speaker 5: have people like Dr Oliver Hartwich and Professor Elizabeth Rater

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Speaker 5: running our ministry of education.

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Speaker 2: That's actually very good, but there's one aspect to it

963
01:10:40,253 --> 01:10:44,213
Speaker 2: of it that didn't sit comfortably with me, and that

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Speaker 2: was this. I'm glad that the left always goes too far,

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01:10:48,933 --> 01:10:51,613
Speaker 2: and in going too far, people wake up. Here's the

966
01:10:51,653 --> 01:10:55,493
Speaker 2: problem with that. Why are they going too far left

967
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Speaker 2: in the first place? Why are they getting away with it?

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01:10:57,533 --> 01:11:01,293
Speaker 2: Why have the people gone to sleep and not learned

969
01:11:01,293 --> 01:11:04,733
Speaker 2: from past experience? I mean, it just it frustrates me

970
01:11:04,893 --> 01:11:08,253
Speaker 2: enormously because that's exactly what happens, well, write the other

971
01:11:09,333 --> 01:11:14,213
Speaker 2: because they offer them money essentially, and then when they

972
01:11:14,253 --> 01:11:17,853
Speaker 2: realize that it's all bug it up, they race back

973
01:11:17,893 --> 01:11:21,373
Speaker 2: to the common sense approach and we have to go

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Speaker 2: through the procedure all over again. Because you only look

975
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Speaker 2: at Chloe what's an ound Schwarbrick, and you'll see exactly

976
01:11:28,173 --> 01:11:31,573
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. Layton, May I please inquire to

977
01:11:31,693 --> 01:11:35,173
Speaker 2: the nature of the mentioned local tax in place of

978
01:11:35,293 --> 01:11:38,773
Speaker 2: rates tax and by what function would it be collected.

979
01:11:39,453 --> 01:11:41,853
Speaker 2: There has been a number of proposals postulated in the

980
01:11:41,893 --> 01:11:46,133
Speaker 2: past re revenue streams, including GST type tax to replace rates,

981
01:11:46,653 --> 01:11:49,293
Speaker 2: although some seem to think that it should be as

982
01:11:49,373 --> 01:11:53,533
Speaker 2: well as where does this one fitted? Among others? Has

983
01:11:53,573 --> 01:11:56,053
Speaker 2: the work been done to estimate how much a local

984
01:11:56,173 --> 01:11:59,613
Speaker 2: tax would need to be set at without making it

985
01:11:59,653 --> 01:12:03,173
Speaker 2: an excuse to simply fleece us all. Further, bearing in

986
01:12:03,213 --> 01:12:06,253
Speaker 2: mind that some places are much more than the likes

987
01:12:06,293 --> 01:12:09,533
Speaker 2: of Auckland or christ Church. Well, my response to that

988
01:12:09,693 --> 01:12:12,893
Speaker 2: is there's been a lot of suggestions made in the

989
01:12:12,933 --> 01:12:16,173
Speaker 2: past that you just have to dig them out and

990
01:12:16,213 --> 01:12:18,293
Speaker 2: then try and find a better one, I suppose. But

991
01:12:18,373 --> 01:12:21,693
Speaker 2: as for the comparison of size of places, that would

992
01:12:21,733 --> 01:12:23,573
Speaker 2: be simply reflected in the amount of money that was

993
01:12:23,613 --> 01:12:27,733
Speaker 2: collected in each, But no mention of how aspects of

994
01:12:27,813 --> 01:12:32,413
Speaker 2: the Swiss model or other could be practically modified to

995
01:12:32,453 --> 01:12:35,093
Speaker 2: work in New Zealand, the most critical of which is

996
01:12:35,173 --> 01:12:37,933
Speaker 2: how in the world would the politicians be relieved of

997
01:12:37,973 --> 01:12:41,573
Speaker 2: their power monopoly over the New Zealand people also checks

998
01:12:41,573 --> 01:12:44,693
Speaker 2: and balances on both sides to ensure that right things

999
01:12:44,773 --> 01:12:48,813
Speaker 2: happen and I guess bad things don't. Our track record

1000
01:12:49,373 --> 01:12:51,693
Speaker 2: has brought us to where we are today under the

1001
01:12:51,733 --> 01:12:55,933
Speaker 2: embrace of the current chosen model at political parties endowed

1002
01:12:55,933 --> 01:12:59,773
Speaker 2: by it. The proposed models presented to the public to

1003
01:12:59,853 --> 01:13:04,533
Speaker 2: choose from at the time were all broken models designed

1004
01:13:04,533 --> 01:13:08,573
Speaker 2: to disempower the people. None gave the people authority over

1005
01:13:08,613 --> 01:13:12,093
Speaker 2: their representatives. While in office we bear the fruits of

1006
01:13:12,133 --> 01:13:15,533
Speaker 2: our labors. Is put a capital L on labors because

1007
01:13:15,653 --> 01:13:17,533
Speaker 2: what you can work out?

1008
01:13:17,573 --> 01:13:18,853
Speaker 6: Why Leyden?

1009
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Speaker 2: Sorry? Can I just add? There no mention of how

1010
01:13:22,493 --> 01:13:24,373
Speaker 2: the aspects of the Swiss model or other could be

1011
01:13:24,573 --> 01:13:27,373
Speaker 2: practically modified to work in New Zealand. You've only got

1012
01:13:27,373 --> 01:13:29,613
Speaker 2: to get your hands on the book one hundred Days,

1013
01:13:29,653 --> 01:13:32,413
Speaker 2: which is about exactly that, to see that there's been

1014
01:13:32,453 --> 01:13:35,773
Speaker 2: plenty of work done and they would be relatively easy

1015
01:13:35,893 --> 01:13:37,653
Speaker 2: to apply.

1016
01:13:38,333 --> 01:13:41,613
Speaker 5: Laydon Patrick says. One of your correspondents mentioned that they

1017
01:13:41,613 --> 01:13:46,133
Speaker 5: would prefer a decentralized ID system based on a theoryum

1018
01:13:46,253 --> 01:13:50,653
Speaker 5: rather than the centralized real me system, the argument being

1019
01:13:50,693 --> 01:13:54,213
Speaker 5: that it would give each individual sovereignty over their own

1020
01:13:54,653 --> 01:13:56,853
Speaker 5: data and who they wanted to share it with.

1021
01:13:57,493 --> 01:13:58,493
Speaker 6: The issue here.

1022
01:13:58,413 --> 01:14:01,813
Speaker 5: Is that whether the system becomes effectively mandatory or not

1023
01:14:01,973 --> 01:14:05,933
Speaker 5: doesn't depend on the law. It only depends on market acceptance.

1024
01:14:06,693 --> 01:14:11,213
Speaker 5: Whether it is centralized in law or decentralized and optional.

1025
01:14:11,613 --> 01:14:16,293
Speaker 5: It will be made effectively mandatory when compliance exceeds eighty percent.

1026
01:14:16,933 --> 01:14:20,293
Speaker 5: At that point they can safely start denying services to

1027
01:14:20,373 --> 01:14:22,173
Speaker 5: any stragglers.

1028
01:14:21,493 --> 01:14:22,853
Speaker 6: To force compliance.

1029
01:14:23,693 --> 01:14:26,533
Speaker 5: The COVID experience shows us that fifty percent of the

1030
01:14:26,533 --> 01:14:29,373
Speaker 5: population will happily give away all their rights for anything

1031
01:14:29,413 --> 01:14:32,013
Speaker 5: they have told us a good cause, and another forty

1032
01:14:32,053 --> 01:14:33,893
Speaker 5: percent will give them all away for a free box

1033
01:14:33,933 --> 01:14:36,413
Speaker 5: of KFC. For this reason, the powers that we have

1034
01:14:36,493 --> 01:14:40,133
Speaker 5: no problem with a private, decentralized ID system instead of

1035
01:14:40,133 --> 01:14:42,893
Speaker 5: a centralized one. It will be better for them in

1036
01:14:42,933 --> 01:14:45,973
Speaker 5: many ways, as they can rightly argue that the sheep

1037
01:14:46,013 --> 01:14:49,413
Speaker 5: walked into their own pens and nobody forced them.

1038
01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:55,173
Speaker 2: From Patrick Patrick. I sent your letter to the source

1039
01:14:55,373 --> 01:14:58,533
Speaker 2: of your issue, and that was John Elcock, of course,

1040
01:14:59,213 --> 01:15:04,053
Speaker 2: and John replied with a very long letter which you

1041
01:15:04,133 --> 01:15:06,373
Speaker 2: have a copy of. But he also copied me in

1042
01:15:06,853 --> 01:15:09,493
Speaker 2: and this is just a taste. He says, thanks very

1043
01:15:09,533 --> 01:15:13,093
Speaker 2: much for your email. And it's certainly an interesting point.

1044
01:15:13,773 --> 01:15:17,533
Speaker 2: I personally already have a real me identity. As for

1045
01:15:17,653 --> 01:15:20,333
Speaker 2: dealing with the New Zealand government, it certainly does make

1046
01:15:20,373 --> 01:15:23,453
Speaker 2: things a lot more convenient. I'm also aware that the

1047
01:15:23,493 --> 01:15:26,453
Speaker 2: Department of Internal Affairs has spent a great deal of time,

1048
01:15:26,853 --> 01:15:31,053
Speaker 2: money and energy investing in this system, having spoken directly

1049
01:15:31,053 --> 01:15:33,973
Speaker 2: with the people responsible at conferences and when I've called

1050
01:15:34,133 --> 01:15:36,453
Speaker 2: him in the lift. Now this is, like I said,

1051
01:15:36,573 --> 01:15:38,653
Speaker 2: very long and if I can, I'll slip it in

1052
01:15:38,813 --> 01:15:41,973
Speaker 2: the whole thing. At the very end of today's podcast.

1053
01:15:41,813 --> 01:15:44,773
Speaker 5: Leyton Brett says, I think you might find this article

1054
01:15:44,773 --> 01:15:48,533
Speaker 5: interesting regarding landmark legal ruling finds that COVID tests are

1055
01:15:48,573 --> 01:15:51,173
Speaker 5: not fit for purpose, and he sends you a link.

1056
01:15:51,853 --> 01:15:55,253
Speaker 5: Nothing was reported in our media regarding this landmark case.

1057
01:15:55,813 --> 01:15:59,013
Speaker 5: I enjoyed your podcast with Muriel Newman. She couldn't understand

1058
01:15:59,093 --> 01:16:03,453
Speaker 5: what was driving the Marie sovereignty movement recently in Canada.

1059
01:16:03,693 --> 01:16:07,413
Speaker 5: Justin Trudeau just handed over twenty percent of Canada to

1060
01:16:07,493 --> 01:16:11,333
Speaker 5: the Indigenous people, which has a total population of twenty

1061
01:16:11,373 --> 01:16:15,573
Speaker 5: seven to forty thousand, and he sends you an SBS link,

1062
01:16:16,733 --> 01:16:21,893
Speaker 5: the largest land transfer in Canada's history. This transfer gave

1063
01:16:22,213 --> 01:16:25,813
Speaker 5: full mineral and resource rights. The Indigenous peoples don't have

1064
01:16:25,893 --> 01:16:29,333
Speaker 5: the infrastructure or experience to manage us land mass, so

1065
01:16:29,413 --> 01:16:32,813
Speaker 5: an NGO is appointed by the UN which will manage

1066
01:16:32,853 --> 01:16:36,693
Speaker 5: this land on their behalf. The UN drafted the Rights

1067
01:16:36,733 --> 01:16:41,373
Speaker 5: of Indigenous People Agreement to essentially secure land, using the

1068
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Speaker 5: ignorant Indigenous peoples to secure it for themselves, managing the

1069
01:16:46,613 --> 01:16:50,173
Speaker 5: resources and well through their NGOs. I think this is

1070
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Speaker 5: where three waters might have been headed in New Zealand

1071
01:16:52,533 --> 01:16:54,053
Speaker 5: under the ar Durn government.

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Speaker 6: What do you.

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Speaker 5: Think your podcast is essential listening. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 5: Leyton's interviews and insights around the looming US election. We

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Speaker 5: won't get the real story from our mainstream media. Thank you,

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Speaker 5: says Brett, and.

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Speaker 2: Take care and Bred. The question is when is the

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01:17:10,973 --> 01:17:15,333
Speaker 2: right time to start doing those interviews en mass almost

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Speaker 2: for the US election. It's an interesting conundrum just at

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Speaker 2: the moment, so writes Vincent, our old mate Dan Andrews

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Speaker 2: across the Tasman he, being the Premiere of Victoria X,

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Speaker 2: received a gong for his selfless quote unquote handling of

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Speaker 2: the COVID in Victoria. A astonishing for a premier who

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Speaker 2: never finished his term to be awarded a King's Honor award.

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Speaker 2: Remind you of anybody on this side of the ditch.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely sickening for those awards to be sullied in such

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01:17:50,813 --> 01:17:54,773
Speaker 2: a manner and deemed utterly worthless. A pity for those

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Speaker 2: who are recognized for actual, worthy reasons. Vincent, I was

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Speaker 2: more disgusted than you, and I know that because nobody

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01:18:03,613 --> 01:18:07,333
Speaker 2: could have been more disgusted than me. That excuse for

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01:18:07,413 --> 01:18:10,653
Speaker 2: a politician deserve nothing but to kick up the backside

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01:18:11,013 --> 01:18:13,693
Speaker 2: and a good hard one. And if I say any more,

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Speaker 2: I'll offend somebody.

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Speaker 6: Laton.

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Speaker 5: Finally from me, Vincent says, yes it's Wednesday. I look

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Speaker 5: forward to your podcast each week. Absolutely a highlight. I

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Speaker 5: loved Oliver's suggestion in today's installment about how councils could

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01:18:27,813 --> 01:18:30,813
Speaker 5: be funded by a local income tax as opposed to

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Speaker 5: the current rate system. I've often thought that New Zealand

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Speaker 5: would benefit from its population being spread around rather than

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Speaker 5: everybody being squished into Auckland. If councils had to compete

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Speaker 5: for income, they would aim to attract business and enterprise

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Speaker 5: to their own region, thereby benefiting the citizens to which

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Speaker 5: they are answerable. Such a common sense approach, sadly is

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01:18:53,813 --> 01:18:56,533
Speaker 5: unlikely to see the light of day because it's too sensible.

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Speaker 6: Have a great rest of your week. And that's from Vincent.

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01:19:00,213 --> 01:19:03,493
Speaker 2: Now, is isact the same Vincent as I just read? Prom

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01:19:03,613 --> 01:19:05,573
Speaker 2: Yes it is? How did he get to in the

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01:19:05,693 --> 01:19:07,813
Speaker 2: two and one? What was the date on that? Just

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01:19:07,813 --> 01:19:11,613
Speaker 2: as a matter who interest? June five and June ten? Okay,

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01:19:12,773 --> 01:19:19,693
Speaker 2: fair enough? Finally from Chris in Canberra Repodcast two forty two.

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Speaker 2: I was interested in the comment by David Sachs that

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Speaker 2: the central issue in the twenty twenty four presidential election

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01:19:26,213 --> 01:19:30,853
Speaker 2: in November is whether Americans will stand for the US

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01:19:30,893 --> 01:19:34,693
Speaker 2: becoming a banana republic. I reckon that Johann was at

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01:19:34,733 --> 01:19:38,573
Speaker 2: Johann I've never known a leak. Nailed it in the

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Speaker 2: Weekend Australian of the first of June. See the cartoon below.

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01:19:44,533 --> 01:19:50,493
Speaker 2: See it's a skyline buildings and the tallest building is

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01:19:50,493 --> 01:19:53,253
Speaker 2: a banana sticking up out of the back of the

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Speaker 2: rest of them. Furthermore, the letter that you read at

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Speaker 2: the end of the podcast about the Lost generation brought

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01:19:59,053 --> 01:20:02,573
Speaker 2: to mind an item on Channel seven on the fourth

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Speaker 2: of June, which reported that a twelve year old boy,

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Speaker 2: who police claim is a serial violent crit all, was

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Speaker 2: facing court. He has been charged and released seventy three

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Speaker 2: times on over two hundred crimes over fifteen months, and

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01:20:18,853 --> 01:20:23,573
Speaker 2: as broken bail conditions repeatedly. This time bail was denied.

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Speaker 2: A former detective says he fears we are losing an

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Speaker 2: entire generation of youth. Here is the link to the

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Speaker 2: footage if you wish to look at it. It goes

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01:20:32,253 --> 01:20:34,773
Speaker 2: for nearly two minutes, Chris, I really appreciate you sending that,

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Speaker 2: and I did look at it, and you described it perfectly,

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Speaker 2: so I didn't really need to. But nevertheless, I took

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Speaker 2: a shot with my camera. I took a shot of

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Speaker 2: the places where he has committed these crimes. You ready,

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Speaker 2: If you don't know Sydney, doesn't matter because it tells

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Speaker 2: its own story. But if you do know Sydney, then

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Speaker 2: you'll have some idea of the zone that this kid

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01:20:58,413 --> 01:21:03,373
Speaker 2: has been operating in Mount Druett, Marsden Park, Plumpton, Emerton,

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01:21:03,653 --> 01:21:10,053
Speaker 2: Saint Mary's Sydney, which means the city, Wentworth Park, Paramatta, Redven,

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01:21:10,333 --> 01:21:15,813
Speaker 2: Pendall Hill, Gireween Blacktown, Bondi Junction. And we know what

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01:21:15,893 --> 01:21:19,893
Speaker 2: took place in Bondi Junction recently. Ed's never heard of it.

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01:21:20,373 --> 01:21:24,613
Speaker 2: Castle Hill, West Pymble and Ross Hill. Now West Pemble

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01:21:24,733 --> 01:21:27,493
Speaker 2: is the closest to where I grew up on the

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01:21:28,293 --> 01:21:31,653
Speaker 2: North Shore. The rest of them are spread north, southeast

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01:21:31,693 --> 01:21:34,333
Speaker 2: and west. This kid's been hopping on trains and going

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01:21:34,333 --> 01:21:39,413
Speaker 2: everywhere to Committee's crimes. Here's the question. He's now behind bars,

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Speaker 2: But what do you do with him? What do you

1149
01:21:41,933 --> 01:21:44,333
Speaker 2: do with him? Because you can't tell me that we

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01:21:44,373 --> 01:21:49,213
Speaker 2: don't have kids of similar ages who have been doing

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01:21:49,253 --> 01:21:51,653
Speaker 2: the same sort of thing over here, maybe not quite

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01:21:51,733 --> 01:21:56,213
Speaker 2: as bad, who knows, but certainly who need some serious attention,

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Speaker 2: missus producer, I thank you, thank you. Later, I shall

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Speaker 2: now spend the next two hours editing to get all

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Speaker 2: your coffs and things out.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm sorry about that. I think I've got a

1157
01:22:05,133 --> 01:22:08,493
Speaker 5: bit of a chest infection, but so forgive me. If

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Speaker 5: I was scrambling through.

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Speaker 2: That just be something to feel in the rest of

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Speaker 2: the morning.

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Speaker 6: That's cursed.

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Speaker 2: During the course of the interview, I made reference to

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Speaker 2: the New York Times and its historical record of lying

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Speaker 2: to its readers and the rest of the world for

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01:22:40,933 --> 01:22:43,093
Speaker 2: that matter, and I thought it might be appropriate to

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Speaker 2: justify that with a a little bit of quoting from

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Speaker 2: Mike Levin's book Unfreedom of the Press. He makes reference

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Speaker 2: to much of this. After covering off a little bit

1169
01:22:55,693 --> 01:22:59,493
Speaker 2: of history, he says, however, unbelievably, for the New York

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Speaker 2: Times and other newspapers, the effective cover up of the

1171
01:23:02,613 --> 01:23:06,373
Speaker 2: Holocaust was not the first time they knowingly censored the

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Speaker 2: horrors of genocide while it was occurring from approximately nineteen

1173
01:23:11,573 --> 01:23:15,853
Speaker 2: thirty two to thirty three, Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin starved

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Speaker 2: the people of Ukraine, resulting in the mass genocide of

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Speaker 2: millions of Ukrainians. Bruce Bartlett, writing in Human Events, explained

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Speaker 2: that the Hollidamore or Great Famine of nineteen thirty two

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Speaker 2: and thirty three was the culmination of a long struggle

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Speaker 2: between the Soviet state, non Russian nationalities like the Ukrainians,

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Speaker 2: and historically independent minded farmers who had been forced into

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Speaker 2: or onto collective farms. It also resulted from Stalin's need

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01:23:46,293 --> 01:23:51,013
Speaker 2: for foreign exchange to buy Western machinery to aid industrialization.

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Speaker 2: In late nineteen thirty two, wrote Bartlet, Stalin decreed that

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Speaker 2: all grains should be confiscated and anyone interfering with this

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Speaker 2: action should be considered an enemy of the state. Throughout

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Speaker 2: the countryside in Ukraine and other grain growing areas, starvation

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Speaker 2: set in. Stalin sent troops to prevent farmers from leaving

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Speaker 2: the land, where increasingly there was nothing to eat. In

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Speaker 2: response to please for food aid, Stalin called the famine

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Speaker 2: one of the minor inconveniences of our system. Close quote

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Speaker 2: a Manchester Guardian reporter Malcolm Muggridge traveled to Ukraine to

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Speaker 2: see for himself what was taking place. In her book

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Speaker 2: Stalind's Apologist, Sally Taylor recounts that in a series of

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Speaker 2: articles published in The Guardian at the end of March

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01:24:39,253 --> 01:24:43,373
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three, Muggridge confirmed the existence of widespread famine.

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Speaker 2: In his eye witness account, the peasant population, he wrote,

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Speaker 2: was starving quote I mean starving in its absolute sense,

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Speaker 2: not undernourished, but having four weeks next to nothing to eat.

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Speaker 2: It was true, Muggridge wrote, the famine is an organized occupation,

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Speaker 2: worse active war. Thus, even from other new sources such

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Speaker 2: as The Manchester Guardian the New York Times had to

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Speaker 2: know the truth about the famine that was taking place

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine. Even more, as Hoover Institution historian and scholar

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Speaker 2: Robert Conquest wrote in his book The Harvest of Sorrow,

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Speaker 2: let us insist on the fact that the truth was

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Speaker 2: indeed widely available in the West. In spite of everything,

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Speaker 2: full or adequate reports appeared in the Manchester Guardian, the

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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph, lumatan Lea Figero did, a bunch of other

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Speaker 2: newspapers from European countries, and scores of other Western papers.

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Speaker 2: In the United States, wide circulation newspapers printed very full

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Speaker 2: first hand accounts by Ukrainian, American and other visitors, though

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01:25:50,613 --> 01:25:54,813
Speaker 2: these were mostly discounted, as often appearing in right wing

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Speaker 2: journals and the Christian Science Monitor. The New York Herald

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Speaker 2: Tribune and the New York Jewish for Words gave broad coverage. However,

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Speaker 2: The Times longtime man in Moscow, Walter Duranti, a propagandist

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Speaker 2: and apologist for the nineteen seventeen Communist revolution in Russia

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01:26:15,893 --> 01:26:20,613
Speaker 2: and later Stalin and his murderous regime. He reported otherwise. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: The Times was proud of their man in Moscow. In

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty two, Guranti was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for

1219
01:26:25,613 --> 01:26:28,293
Speaker 2: a series of articles in The Times that covered up

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Speaker 2: Stalinism's atrocities, and from nineteen thirty two to nineteen thirty

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01:26:32,493 --> 01:26:36,253
Speaker 2: three Duranti wrote news columns for The Times, not only

1222
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Speaker 2: denying the fact of the catastrophic famine taking place in Ukraine,

1223
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Speaker 2: but censoring Stalin's role in the genocide of multiple millions

1224
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Speaker 2: of Ukrainians. Then we come to the next paragraph and

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Speaker 2: covers the star if you like of a movie that

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Speaker 2: came out in twenty nineteen mister Jones. Another Guardian reporter,

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Speaker 2: Gareth Jones, also filed news also filed news stories about

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Speaker 2: the famine Ukraine. Like Muggridge, Jones had gone to the

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Speaker 2: areas where white spread starvation was occurring, traveling some forty

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Speaker 2: miles into the midst of it, and was also horrified

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Speaker 2: by what he witnessed and was told, which he reported

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Speaker 2: in detail. But Duranti then took aim at Jones's credibility

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Speaker 2: and used his powerful perch at The New York Times

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Speaker 2: to publicly demean him and the accuracy of his reporting

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Speaker 2: in the newspages of the Times. On March thirteen, nineteen

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Speaker 2: thirty two, Guranti wrote a piece in The Times titled

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01:27:35,453 --> 01:27:39,373
Speaker 2: Russians Hungry but not Starving, in which he, among other things,

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01:27:39,413 --> 01:27:45,773
Speaker 2: dismissed Jones's first hand accounts and counted him with disinformation. Quote.

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01:27:45,853 --> 01:27:48,413
Speaker 2: Since I talked to mister Jones, I have made exhaustive

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01:27:48,413 --> 01:27:52,573
Speaker 2: inquiries about this alleged Taman situation. I have inquired in

1241
01:27:52,693 --> 01:27:57,333
Speaker 2: Soviet commissariats and in foreign embassies with their network of consoles,

1242
01:27:57,733 --> 01:28:02,173
Speaker 2: and have tabulated information from Britain's working as specialists and

1243
01:28:02,253 --> 01:28:06,093
Speaker 2: from my personal connections Russian and foreign. All of this

1244
01:28:06,253 --> 01:28:09,693
Speaker 2: seems to me to be more trustworthy the information that

1245
01:28:09,813 --> 01:28:13,213
Speaker 2: I could get by a brief trip through any one area.

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01:28:13,373 --> 01:28:16,373
Speaker 2: In other words, he's apologizing, sort of making excuses for

1247
01:28:16,373 --> 01:28:20,013
Speaker 2: not having gone and experienced himself. The Soviet Union is

1248
01:28:20,093 --> 01:28:22,813
Speaker 2: too big to permit a hasty study, and it is

1249
01:28:22,853 --> 01:28:25,693
Speaker 2: the foreign correspondence job to present a whole picture, not

1250
01:28:25,893 --> 01:28:29,933
Speaker 2: part of it. Duranti then exclaimed, and here are the facts.

1251
01:28:30,893 --> 01:28:33,773
Speaker 2: There is a serious shortage of food throughout the country,

1252
01:28:34,253 --> 01:28:38,573
Speaker 2: with occasional cases of well managed states or collective farms.

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01:28:39,133 --> 01:28:42,093
Speaker 2: The big cities and the army are adequately supplied with food.

1254
01:28:42,413 --> 01:28:46,373
Speaker 2: There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation, but

1255
01:28:46,493 --> 01:28:51,973
Speaker 2: there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition. In

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01:28:52,093 --> 01:28:56,253
Speaker 2: short conditions are definitely bad in certain sections the Ukraine,

1257
01:28:56,373 --> 01:28:59,973
Speaker 2: North Caucuses and Lower Lower Vulgar. The rest of the

1258
01:29:00,013 --> 01:29:04,653
Speaker 2: country is on short rations, but nothing worse. These conditions

1259
01:29:04,653 --> 01:29:10,333
Speaker 2: are bad, but there is no famine. Of course, this

1260
01:29:11,173 --> 01:29:13,613
Speaker 2: was a flat out lie. Do I need to go

1261
01:29:13,693 --> 01:29:17,133
Speaker 2: any further, Probably not, but let me The famine peaked

1262
01:29:17,253 --> 01:29:21,013
Speaker 2: in the summer of nineteen thirty three, unbelievably. On September seventeen,

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01:29:21,133 --> 01:29:26,213
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three, Durante was added again in another report

1264
01:29:26,253 --> 01:29:29,973
Speaker 2: from Russia. Duranti assured the Times readers that all was

1265
01:29:30,013 --> 01:29:34,453
Speaker 2: well in Ukraine and that suggestions to the contrary were nonsense.

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01:29:35,533 --> 01:29:38,693
Speaker 2: The writer has just completed a two hundred mile auto

1267
01:29:38,773 --> 01:29:41,773
Speaker 2: trip through the heart of Ukraine and can say positively

1268
01:29:42,453 --> 01:29:45,493
Speaker 2: that the harvest is splendid at all. Talk of famine

1269
01:29:45,613 --> 01:29:50,013
Speaker 2: is ridiculous everywhere one goes and with everyone with whom

1270
01:29:50,013 --> 01:29:53,453
Speaker 2: one talks, from commonists and officials to local peasants. It's

1271
01:29:53,533 --> 01:29:57,493
Speaker 2: the same story. Now we will be all right. Now

1272
01:29:57,533 --> 01:30:00,453
Speaker 2: we are assured for the winter. Now we have more

1273
01:30:00,453 --> 01:30:04,573
Speaker 2: grain that can easily be harvested. But Gurante knew the

1274
01:30:04,693 --> 01:30:10,733
Speaker 2: ugly truth, as Professor Lubami Maire Luchuk of the Royal

1275
01:30:10,813 --> 01:30:14,253
Speaker 2: Military College of Canada has written. On September twenty sixth,

1276
01:30:14,293 --> 01:30:17,733
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three, at the British Embassy in Moscow, Durante

1277
01:30:17,773 --> 01:30:21,813
Speaker 2: privately confided to William Strang that as many as ten

1278
01:30:22,053 --> 01:30:26,893
Speaker 2: million people had died directly or indirectly of famine conditions

1279
01:30:26,973 --> 01:30:31,373
Speaker 2: in the USSR during the past year. Meanwhile, publicly Duranti

1280
01:30:31,493 --> 01:30:36,053
Speaker 2: orchestrated a vicious ostracizing of those journalists who risked much

1281
01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:39,813
Speaker 2: by reporting on the brutalities of forced collectivisation and the

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Speaker 2: ensuing demographic catastrophe muggerage among them. Even as fertile Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: once the bread basket of Europe, became a modern day

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Speaker 2: gold Gotha, a place of skulls. Duranti plowed the truth

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Speaker 2: under occasionally pressed on the human cost of the Soviet experiment.

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Speaker 2: He did, however, evolve a dismissive dodge, canting, you can't

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Speaker 2: make an omelet without breaking eggs. Indeed, wrote Conquest, he

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Speaker 2: had personally told Eujane Lymes he was a United Press

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Speaker 2: Moscow correspondent, and others that he estimated the famine victims

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Speaker 2: at around seven million. What the American public got was

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Speaker 2: not the straight stuff, but the false reporting. Its influence

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Speaker 2: was enormous and long lasting. Well. The New York Times

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Speaker 2: did apologize for it in an editorial a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: I still have a copy of that somewhere, and I

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Speaker 2: think I've probably read it on radio, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, it wasn't the first, and it won't be

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Speaker 2: the last time that the New York Times can be

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Speaker 2: held or should be held accountable for misleading its readership

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Speaker 2: and much of the rest of the world. Now, just

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Speaker 2: to repeat, the extract I read was from Unfreedom of

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Speaker 2: the Press by Mack Livin, and there are six copies

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Speaker 2: of it in the Auckland Library system. Can't speak for

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Speaker 2: anywhere else. And the movie Mister Jones, I've seen it

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Speaker 2: probably I think in twenty twenty, and i'd like to

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Speaker 2: see it again after reading that extract and watching the

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Speaker 2: trailer for it a short while ago. But I can't

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Speaker 2: tell you where it might be streaming at the moment,

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Speaker 2: but you might like to do have a look, Layton Smith.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm regretfully going to park the long letter that

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Speaker 2: John Elcock wrote to Patrick, and I've put it aside

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Speaker 2: for another time because I had something planned for this

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Speaker 2: part of the podcast, which is the conclusion Bird flu

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Speaker 2: Fear and Perverse Incentives by David Bell and published June eleven,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Time. A fifty nine year old man unfortunately died,

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Speaker 2: and I should say I'm going to read the first

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Speaker 2: the first section and the final section because it's six

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Speaker 2: pages long, and encourage everybody to read the whole thing

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Speaker 2: for themselves. Details at the back. A fifty nine year

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Speaker 2: old unfortunately died in Mexico in late April, having been

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Speaker 2: bed bound for weeks and suffering from type two diabetes

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Speaker 2: and chronic renal failure. He was at high risk from

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Speaker 2: respiratory virus infection. It became newsworthy, and the World Health

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Speaker 2: Organization thousands of miles Distant even released a media's statement

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Speaker 2: because recent advances in genetic sequencing allowed the presence of

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Speaker 2: type A, that is, H five N two influenza virus,

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Speaker 2: a type of bird flu to be reported in a

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Speaker 2: single clinical sample. A month later, refuting the Who's Distant

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Speaker 2: bureaucrats attributing mortality to the virus, Mexico's health secretary is

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Speaker 2: reported as noting that it was chronic illness that caused

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Speaker 2: the death. Irrespective of cause, deaths are a tragedy for

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Speaker 2: family and friends. This one made global news purely because

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Speaker 2: of advances in diagnostic technology. The WHO, the media, and

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Speaker 2: a growing pandemic in industry had been waiting for this

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Speaker 2: inevitable event. Testing and screening as it's critical to perhaps

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Speaker 2: the largest business scheme in human history. Note that the

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Speaker 2: largest possible largest business scheme in human history. There are

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Speaker 2: hundreds of billions on the table and the will and

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Speaker 2: means to take it. We all need to understand why

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Speaker 2: and what is supposed to happen next. So to the

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Speaker 2: back end and the last couple of paragraphs. Unless wider

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Speaker 2: society regains control of the agenda, the farmer industry and

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01:34:44,333 --> 01:34:47,893
Speaker 2: its investors are set to make a killing through bird flu.

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Speaker 2: It will be at least as big as COVID. It

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Speaker 2: will also serve an important role in further building the

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Speaker 2: pandemic industry, justifying the finalization of the postponed WHO Pandemic

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Speaker 2: Agreement treaty. It is a vital cog in the great reset.

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01:35:06,733 --> 01:35:10,613
Speaker 2: Outbreaks do occur, and we shall monitor and prepare for them. However,

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Speaker 2: we have allowed the development of a system where outbreaks

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01:35:14,533 --> 01:35:18,613
Speaker 2: are almost all that matter. Perceptions of risk and resultant

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01:35:18,613 --> 01:35:24,453
Speaker 2: funding have become grossly disproportionate to reality. The perverse incentives

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01:35:24,533 --> 01:35:28,373
Speaker 2: driving this are obvious, as are the harms. The world

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01:35:28,413 --> 01:35:32,893
Speaker 2: will be increasingly unequal and impoverished and sick building on

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01:35:32,933 --> 01:35:38,093
Speaker 2: the outcomes of the COVID response, Fear promotes profit better

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Speaker 2: than calmness and content. It is on us to remain

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Speaker 2: calm and continually educate ourselves regarding context. No one will

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Speaker 2: sell these to us. Now. You can find the article

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Speaker 2: the Brownstone Institute site Brownstone dot org bird flu, spell, flu, fear,

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Speaker 2: and perverse incentives, and it runs through all sorts of

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Speaker 2: aspects of this particular situation, and I want to seriously

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Speaker 2: encourage every one of you to look it up and

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Speaker 2: read it. That will take us out for podcasts two

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty three. If you'd care to write to us,

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Speaker 2: hope you do Latent at newstalksb dot co dot NZD

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Speaker 2: or Carolyn Carolyn with a Y at newstalksb dot co

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Speaker 2: dot nseid. We shall return shortly with the podcast number

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Speaker 2: two hundred and forty four and it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a ripper. Until then, as always, thank you for listening

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Speaker 2: and we shall talk soon.

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