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Speaker 1: Parliament has rushed a new law under urgency to protect

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Speaker 1: our space programs from foreign interference. It turns out that

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Speaker 1: on a number of occasions in the last five years,

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Speaker 1: foreign actors have tried to build space infrastructure on the

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Speaker 1: ground here in New Zealand, but have not been honest

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Speaker 1: about their links to foreign militaries. Space Minister Judith Collins

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Speaker 1: is with us now our hy Judith, can you tell

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Speaker 1: us which foreign militaries we're talking about?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's enough to say it's the usual suspects.

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Speaker 1: We so Russia and Chinese.

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Speaker 2: I'd just say it's And of course there are other

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Speaker 2: countries that might well be interested in doing the sort

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Speaker 2: of thing too, particularly given our location in the world,

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Speaker 2: the fact that we are known as a space nation

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Speaker 2: now and we're very keen to be involved in things,

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Speaker 2: and kiwis we can be a little bit gullible from

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Speaker 2: time to time because we like to take people, you know,

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Speaker 2: as we see them. So we we have occasionally had

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Speaker 2: the security agencies have occasionally in the last five years

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Speaker 2: had to step in and tell people who they're really

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Speaker 2: dealing with.

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Speaker 1: What are they trying to build?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's about these are things that involve things that

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Speaker 2: are involved in satellite data reception, for instance, space surveillance,

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Speaker 2: identification of spacecraft telemetry, which is basically the clleckching of

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Speaker 2: data from satellites and operations and operations of spacecraft. So

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Speaker 2: it can be if you think about so much of

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Speaker 2: our communications, our banking, so much what we do now

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Speaker 2: is done through satellites, that sort of information could be

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Speaker 2: pulled off those satellites or to be copied and used

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Speaker 2: for various purposes, and it could also be interfered with.

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Speaker 2: So these are sorts of things we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Are there examples of genuine businesses, like perhaps even New

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Speaker 1: Zealand businesses who are busy doing it and on selling

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Speaker 1: the data not realizing who they're on selling it to.

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Speaker 2: Well, there might be, but we're I can't say for

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Speaker 2: certain that's true. What I do know is that, look,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people very interested in space, and

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Speaker 2: this is not about targeting people who just happened to

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Speaker 2: have an extraly, extra big telescope in their backyard. This

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Speaker 2: is about commercial operations. And I think two is that

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Speaker 2: in the past, our security agencies have been able to

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Speaker 2: talk to the owners of the land about who's really

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Speaker 2: involved at the moment. I don't think we can continue

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Speaker 2: to work on the hope and prey and hope. Everyone

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Speaker 2: wants to be part of the same team basis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen while I've got you. What happened to the

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Speaker 1: me Than satellite?

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Speaker 2: Well, at number one twenty nineteen, it was sent, it

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Speaker 2: was signed up to that previous government. We've obviously inherited it.

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Speaker 2: I think what they say to me is that the

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Speaker 2: satellite just they lost contact with it. They've got a

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Speaker 2: lot of information off it before it disappeared, but I

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Speaker 2: haven't had any reports as to exactly what happened other

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Speaker 2: than the lost contact and that does happen from time.

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Speaker 1: Do you expect that they will give you a report though,

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Speaker 1: because we chucked a very actually do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's quite a lot of money, and you know,

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen previous government this was a big focus

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Speaker 2: methane capture and things, and of course nowadays it's mostly

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Speaker 2: all about security. But look, so I have asked for

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Speaker 2: a report on it and I will find out and

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Speaker 2: once we've got it, i'll let you all know.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Judith. I appreciated Judith Collins, Minister Space like

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you picked up what

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Speaker 1: Judith was putting down, but it was the previous government

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Speaker 1: and it was a methane satellite, so you know, tough testies.

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