1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,413 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,453 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 2: That'd be. 4 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:16,773 Speaker 3: While I'm very much looking forward to a break into Christmas, 5 00:00:16,813 --> 00:00:20,013 Speaker 3: not everyone looks forward to the twenty fifth. Apparently there 6 00:00:20,053 --> 00:00:23,773 Speaker 3: is a thing called Christo jena ticophobia. Got that Christa 7 00:00:23,853 --> 00:00:26,613 Speaker 3: jena ticophobia. I'm not even sure it would fit on 8 00:00:26,613 --> 00:00:29,413 Speaker 3: a scrabble board, let alone when you a bonus for 9 00:00:29,453 --> 00:00:32,933 Speaker 3: a triple word score. But Doogle Sutherland from Umbrella Well 10 00:00:32,933 --> 00:00:35,573 Speaker 3: Being is here with us this morning to explain exactly 11 00:00:35,573 --> 00:00:39,013 Speaker 3: what christa jen techophobia actually is. Is it really a phobia? 12 00:00:39,093 --> 00:00:40,933 Speaker 4: Doogle, I killed a jack. 13 00:00:41,453 --> 00:00:43,413 Speaker 2: That would be a score of like nine million on 14 00:00:43,533 --> 00:00:45,693 Speaker 2: stra if you actually got it. 15 00:00:46,693 --> 00:00:47,773 Speaker 4: No, it's not really. 16 00:00:47,853 --> 00:00:50,773 Speaker 2: I actually came across this week or two ago I went, 17 00:00:50,813 --> 00:00:55,373 Speaker 2: is that a real thing? The Greek translation, apparently, because 18 00:00:55,373 --> 00:00:59,053 Speaker 2: all things get translated from Greek, is literally christ related 19 00:00:59,133 --> 00:00:59,853 Speaker 2: birth fear. 20 00:01:01,053 --> 00:01:02,693 Speaker 4: So but there you go. 21 00:01:02,933 --> 00:01:06,813 Speaker 2: But it's no, it's not really a phobia. I think 22 00:01:06,813 --> 00:01:09,653 Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's more of a reminder that, 23 00:01:09,733 --> 00:01:12,973 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes some of us feel awkward at particular times, 24 00:01:13,053 --> 00:01:17,093 Speaker 2: or or don't enjoy things that others that others do enjoy. 25 00:01:17,453 --> 00:01:20,333 Speaker 2: Now there are some other non phobias as well that 26 00:01:20,533 --> 00:01:23,773 Speaker 2: you sort of cover. There's no mophobia, which is fear 27 00:01:23,813 --> 00:01:25,173 Speaker 2: of no mobile. 28 00:01:24,813 --> 00:01:28,093 Speaker 3: Phones, many no mustaches. 29 00:01:28,653 --> 00:01:31,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that would have been a good one, Yeah, 30 00:01:31,653 --> 00:01:35,093 Speaker 2: fear of a bald face. There's the side of phobia, 31 00:01:35,133 --> 00:01:39,093 Speaker 2: which is fear of making decisions. And there is ergophobia, 32 00:01:39,133 --> 00:01:42,693 Speaker 2: which is fear of work, which many people at this time, yeah, 33 00:01:42,733 --> 00:01:47,293 Speaker 2: perhaps are experiencing or fear of returning to work at 34 00:01:47,373 --> 00:01:51,253 Speaker 2: least there, but they're not really super you know, they're 35 00:01:51,253 --> 00:01:52,293 Speaker 2: not serious phobus. 36 00:01:52,293 --> 00:01:54,693 Speaker 4: But it's a good idea to kind of think about. 37 00:01:54,773 --> 00:01:57,493 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, is everybody going to be finding this time 38 00:01:57,533 --> 00:01:58,733 Speaker 2: of year really all that happy? 39 00:01:59,053 --> 00:02:01,333 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and I suppose they're not. I mean, like, 40 00:02:01,893 --> 00:02:04,093 Speaker 3: you know, this time of year does come with its 41 00:02:04,173 --> 00:02:06,813 Speaker 3: fair share of stresses. So if you are one who 42 00:02:06,933 --> 00:02:10,133 Speaker 3: not necessarily dreads Christmas, but you know, it doesn't lean 43 00:02:10,173 --> 00:02:12,813 Speaker 3: in quite so hard as as some others, I suppose 44 00:02:12,853 --> 00:02:13,893 Speaker 3: it's totally understandable. 45 00:02:14,573 --> 00:02:15,413 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. 46 00:02:15,413 --> 00:02:17,613 Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about Christmas, there's lots of 47 00:02:17,653 --> 00:02:20,613 Speaker 2: socializing and going out, and you know, if you struggle 48 00:02:20,613 --> 00:02:23,293 Speaker 2: a bit with that, with social relationships, you're a bit 49 00:02:23,333 --> 00:02:25,813 Speaker 2: more introverted. You you might find out a little bit 50 00:02:25,853 --> 00:02:30,533 Speaker 2: more difficult to tolerate, you know, as I'm sure you 51 00:02:31,093 --> 00:02:33,893 Speaker 2: have good firsthand experience, and often there's that pressure for 52 00:02:34,053 --> 00:02:37,853 Speaker 2: pearance to be buying big presents and the latest thing, 53 00:02:37,973 --> 00:02:40,213 Speaker 2: and you know, for many families they've done it hard 54 00:02:40,333 --> 00:02:43,693 Speaker 2: this year with redundancies and the cost of living and 55 00:02:43,733 --> 00:02:47,653 Speaker 2: that can be a real struggle. And also of course, 56 00:02:47,693 --> 00:02:50,133 Speaker 2: you know, even you know, further down there's those people 57 00:02:50,173 --> 00:02:52,773 Speaker 2: that will be really struggling to put food on the 58 00:02:52,853 --> 00:02:57,013 Speaker 2: table at all, and you know, getting getting perhaps worse 59 00:02:57,053 --> 00:02:59,173 Speaker 2: in our current sort of economic environment. 60 00:02:59,333 --> 00:03:02,213 Speaker 4: So you know, I think I think, you know, i'd. 61 00:03:02,053 --> 00:03:07,093 Speaker 5: Encourage people to fully enjoy themselves that's Christmas, and will 62 00:03:07,373 --> 00:03:10,453 Speaker 5: be with theirs and their loved loved ones, but also 63 00:03:10,493 --> 00:03:12,613 Speaker 5: to kind of think about is there anything I can 64 00:03:12,693 --> 00:03:16,253 Speaker 5: do to actually reach out and make somebody else's Christmas 65 00:03:16,813 --> 00:03:18,613 Speaker 5: that extra little bit special as well. 66 00:03:18,693 --> 00:03:21,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good message. So back to phobias. 67 00:03:21,453 --> 00:03:24,773 Speaker 3: Can you have a phobia of pretty much anything? 68 00:03:25,493 --> 00:03:30,693 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, technically you probably can. There are some really 69 00:03:30,773 --> 00:03:35,013 Speaker 2: common ones that people are actually if I just as 70 00:03:35,013 --> 00:03:37,213 Speaker 2: an aside, I've seen some quite bizarre ones. I've seen 71 00:03:37,613 --> 00:03:40,773 Speaker 2: a friend of mine was super super phobic of not 72 00:03:40,773 --> 00:03:43,933 Speaker 2: not not just birds, but specifically pigeons and would really 73 00:03:43,973 --> 00:03:45,813 Speaker 2: freak out if face sort of you know how they 74 00:03:45,973 --> 00:03:49,013 Speaker 2: sort of tend to fly up quite close to your face. 75 00:03:49,213 --> 00:03:52,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they sit in the bar plane sometimes and I. 76 00:03:52,253 --> 00:03:55,293 Speaker 4: Honestly think, yes, yes, yeah, I'm. 77 00:03:55,133 --> 00:03:57,293 Speaker 3: Going to just leave it so late, and this is 78 00:03:57,413 --> 00:03:58,693 Speaker 3: really bold. 79 00:03:59,813 --> 00:04:00,653 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah. 80 00:04:02,373 --> 00:04:05,613 Speaker 2: So that I've met somebody that had a fear of hospitals, 81 00:04:05,613 --> 00:04:08,013 Speaker 2: and that was to the point that they would often 82 00:04:08,093 --> 00:04:11,933 Speaker 2: not leave the house because that there kind of chain. 83 00:04:11,813 --> 00:04:13,293 Speaker 4: Of thought when something might happen. 84 00:04:13,333 --> 00:04:15,373 Speaker 2: I might go up for lunch and I'd start choking 85 00:04:15,373 --> 00:04:17,013 Speaker 2: and they call the ambulance and then I have to. 86 00:04:16,933 --> 00:04:19,613 Speaker 4: Go to hospital, and I hate hospitals. So that was 87 00:04:20,013 --> 00:04:20,973 Speaker 4: that was a real phobia. 88 00:04:21,013 --> 00:04:23,853 Speaker 2: And then two people this is and these are colleagues 89 00:04:23,853 --> 00:04:25,213 Speaker 2: of one that I used to work with, two separate 90 00:04:25,213 --> 00:04:29,453 Speaker 2: people that had banana phobias, which was which was quite unusual. 91 00:04:29,453 --> 00:04:31,893 Speaker 2: And when we're talking phobias, I think, good to you know, 92 00:04:31,973 --> 00:04:34,133 Speaker 2: everybody kind of talks about all, I've got a phobia 93 00:04:34,173 --> 00:04:37,173 Speaker 2: of heights or whatever, and we mean clinically when we're 94 00:04:37,173 --> 00:04:38,453 Speaker 2: talking about phobias, like. 95 00:04:38,413 --> 00:04:41,093 Speaker 4: A really really really intense. 96 00:04:40,653 --> 00:04:43,933 Speaker 2: Fear, not just a I don't really like them. Yeah, 97 00:04:44,453 --> 00:04:46,973 Speaker 2: and that you that you do lots and lots to 98 00:04:47,053 --> 00:04:49,653 Speaker 2: try and avoid those. And perhaps that person that I 99 00:04:49,733 --> 00:04:53,693 Speaker 2: described earlier with the hospital phobia. 100 00:04:52,573 --> 00:04:54,373 Speaker 4: You know that that was an example of going great 101 00:04:54,413 --> 00:04:55,053 Speaker 4: lengths to a writer. 102 00:04:55,253 --> 00:04:58,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's really impacting their life, and it's. 103 00:04:58,133 --> 00:04:59,173 Speaker 4: Really impacting their life. 104 00:04:59,253 --> 00:05:01,773 Speaker 2: But you look at it's we think theoretically you can 105 00:05:01,813 --> 00:05:06,293 Speaker 2: have a phobia almost anything. There was a famous ethically 106 00:05:06,453 --> 00:05:09,893 Speaker 2: you be a somewhat psychology experiment in the nineteen twenties 107 00:05:09,933 --> 00:05:13,973 Speaker 2: where a famous psychologist did an experiment on his own 108 00:05:14,093 --> 00:05:16,573 Speaker 2: nine month old child, So don't recommend you're doing this 109 00:05:16,613 --> 00:05:22,013 Speaker 2: on your son. And they paired a white rat, not 110 00:05:22,373 --> 00:05:24,533 Speaker 2: a tame one, with a really loud sound, a really 111 00:05:24,573 --> 00:05:29,253 Speaker 2: loud bang, and the baby went from being completely fine 112 00:05:29,253 --> 00:05:31,853 Speaker 2: around the rat being quite scared of it, and then 113 00:05:31,893 --> 00:05:34,653 Speaker 2: that fear started to generalize to anything that was white 114 00:05:34,653 --> 00:05:35,693 Speaker 2: and fluffy. 115 00:05:35,573 --> 00:05:36,733 Speaker 4: Including teddy bears. 116 00:05:37,773 --> 00:05:40,413 Speaker 2: So they were trying to sort of establish that maybe 117 00:05:40,413 --> 00:05:43,173 Speaker 2: you can be afraid of anything, or establish a fear 118 00:05:43,173 --> 00:05:45,773 Speaker 2: of anything, and that can grow to sort of very 119 00:05:45,813 --> 00:05:48,453 Speaker 2: things that are similar to it. So yeah, technically you 120 00:05:48,533 --> 00:05:51,893 Speaker 2: probably can have a phobia or anything, maybe including Christmas. 121 00:05:51,573 --> 00:05:54,493 Speaker 3: On the Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I think I've seen 122 00:05:54,533 --> 00:05:57,133 Speaker 3: a video on social media and can tell you about 123 00:05:57,133 --> 00:05:59,053 Speaker 3: the kind of accounts that I've followen on what my 124 00:05:59,133 --> 00:06:03,053 Speaker 3: algorithm's doing to me that shows a group of babies 125 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:07,813 Speaker 3: with a python, a python kind of slithering around them. 126 00:06:07,973 --> 00:06:10,333 Speaker 3: And it's obviously a controlled environment, but the video is 127 00:06:10,333 --> 00:06:13,813 Speaker 3: showing that these well, yeah, but they're not they're not scared. 128 00:06:13,813 --> 00:06:16,253 Speaker 3: I think it's a python. Pythons aren't venomous, are they. Well, 129 00:06:16,293 --> 00:06:20,533 Speaker 3: this one you don't know anyway, So they've got a 130 00:06:20,613 --> 00:06:24,733 Speaker 3: large snake. Yeah, and it's not a venomous snake. But 131 00:06:24,773 --> 00:06:26,493 Speaker 3: the point is that the kids aren't scared of it 132 00:06:26,733 --> 00:06:30,213 Speaker 3: because they just kind of just sitting there and the 133 00:06:30,253 --> 00:06:32,533 Speaker 3: snake's kind of slithering around them and they're all just thing, 134 00:06:32,533 --> 00:06:33,213 Speaker 3: oh do. 135 00:06:33,733 --> 00:06:36,893 Speaker 2: But yeah, I certainly have come across people, you know, 136 00:06:37,053 --> 00:06:39,653 Speaker 2: post those sort of big storms in the North Island. 137 00:06:39,653 --> 00:06:41,493 Speaker 2: You know, they're really big ones a couple of years 138 00:06:41,533 --> 00:06:44,853 Speaker 2: ago who had a real fear and probably verging on 139 00:06:44,893 --> 00:06:47,853 Speaker 2: a phobia of of you know, rain and big weather 140 00:06:47,893 --> 00:06:54,773 Speaker 2: storms every Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense, and 141 00:06:54,813 --> 00:06:56,533 Speaker 2: it's just our body's way of sort of trying to 142 00:06:56,573 --> 00:06:57,813 Speaker 2: keep us safe. 143 00:06:57,853 --> 00:06:59,653 Speaker 4: But it sort of has has like a fire. 144 00:06:59,493 --> 00:07:02,613 Speaker 2: Alarm that kind of gives off too many false alarms 145 00:07:02,653 --> 00:07:04,413 Speaker 2: and sort of it's going off all the time. 146 00:07:04,453 --> 00:07:05,613 Speaker 4: But rest assured. 147 00:07:05,653 --> 00:07:08,893 Speaker 2: They are pretty readily curable by psychologists, So if you've 148 00:07:08,893 --> 00:07:10,653 Speaker 2: got a phobia, you don't really have to suffer from 149 00:07:10,653 --> 00:07:12,453 Speaker 2: it nowadays that they are pretty treatable. 150 00:07:12,493 --> 00:07:17,133 Speaker 3: Oh that's good. Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, your life doesn't 151 00:07:17,133 --> 00:07:19,653 Speaker 3: if you do not. I definitely don't. I don't have 152 00:07:19,653 --> 00:07:23,053 Speaker 3: any big phobias. There's nothing that makes my life materially worse. 153 00:07:23,093 --> 00:07:24,693 Speaker 3: But I do if there was one thing that I 154 00:07:24,693 --> 00:07:28,013 Speaker 3: don't like that I would have, you know that I 155 00:07:28,013 --> 00:07:31,013 Speaker 3: would say, oh, you've got a phobia. This is going 156 00:07:31,053 --> 00:07:36,413 Speaker 3: to get a bit left field. Balloons, Oh yeah, the 157 00:07:36,493 --> 00:07:39,453 Speaker 3: reason being I don't trust this and I'm waiting for them, 158 00:07:39,613 --> 00:07:42,213 Speaker 3: and especially like especially if there are loose balloons like 159 00:07:42,253 --> 00:07:45,053 Speaker 3: on the floor or something, I'm just waiting for someone 160 00:07:45,053 --> 00:07:47,293 Speaker 3: to stand on it or to pop it, and it 161 00:07:47,373 --> 00:07:49,573 Speaker 3: gives me like a sense of anxiety. I'm just waiting 162 00:07:49,573 --> 00:07:52,293 Speaker 3: for a loud noise. I know that seems ridiculous. I 163 00:07:52,413 --> 00:07:54,693 Speaker 3: just don't well, I just I just don't. I don't 164 00:07:54,773 --> 00:07:56,493 Speaker 3: like and you know sometimes they just burst when you're 165 00:07:56,493 --> 00:07:59,293 Speaker 3: not expecting it, and just anyway, for whatever reason it is, 166 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:01,013 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't love balloons. 167 00:08:01,533 --> 00:08:04,293 Speaker 2: It's almost a classic description because many people for their 168 00:08:04,293 --> 00:08:06,573 Speaker 2: phobias say, hey, look, I know it's a bit but 169 00:08:06,653 --> 00:08:09,213 Speaker 2: I know it seems unrealistic. But in the at the moment, 170 00:08:09,333 --> 00:08:11,573 Speaker 2: you know, in the moment, I actually feel quite you know, 171 00:08:11,653 --> 00:08:12,773 Speaker 2: quite weirded out by it. 172 00:08:13,013 --> 00:08:13,253 Speaker 3: Yeah. 173 00:08:13,693 --> 00:08:16,613 Speaker 4: So yeah, well, good luck for the future birthday party. 174 00:08:16,693 --> 00:08:20,893 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly exactly. I mean, my my, my dislike of 175 00:08:20,933 --> 00:08:23,653 Speaker 3: balloons isn't so intense that I that we don't you 176 00:08:23,693 --> 00:08:26,133 Speaker 3: know that we have or anything like that. But it's 177 00:08:26,133 --> 00:08:29,053 Speaker 3: just I just don't. Just you know, if they're loose 178 00:08:29,053 --> 00:08:30,773 Speaker 3: on the ground and there are kids playing with them, 179 00:08:31,213 --> 00:08:33,293 Speaker 3: that always annoy me, just because I know that they're 180 00:08:33,333 --> 00:08:34,973 Speaker 3: going to be allowed bang, but I don't know where 181 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:37,333 Speaker 3: the band's coming. I think that I don't like it. 182 00:08:37,653 --> 00:08:39,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just said, there's a mug of you sort 183 00:08:39,333 --> 00:08:41,893 Speaker 2: of tiptoeing around at birthday parties, I know, you know, 184 00:08:41,973 --> 00:08:44,253 Speaker 2: walking on each kids. 185 00:08:45,693 --> 00:08:49,173 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, anywhere treatable if you see a good. 186 00:08:49,093 --> 00:08:53,653 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly exactly. Of coursely optimistic. It hasn't reached. 187 00:08:53,413 --> 00:08:55,493 Speaker 4: That threshold, but yeah, good. 188 00:08:55,253 --> 00:08:57,853 Speaker 3: Hey, have a great Christmas. Thank you for a fantastic 189 00:08:57,893 --> 00:09:00,453 Speaker 3: here in twenty twenty five. Doogle, enjoy your break and 190 00:09:00,733 --> 00:09:03,933 Speaker 3: we will catch again very soon. Google Sutherland from Umbrella 191 00:09:03,973 --> 00:09:04,653 Speaker 3: well Being. 192 00:09:05,173 --> 00:09:08,253 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Awning with Jack Tame. Listen live 193 00:09:08,333 --> 00:09:11,173 Speaker 1: to news Talks at b from nine am Saturday, or 194 00:09:11,253 --> 00:09:13,133 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio