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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Dupericy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, the

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Speaker 2: Minister on finally giving the foreign investors permission to buy houses,

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Speaker 2: and Energy boss on what she reckons the government's being

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Speaker 2: told to do with the energy sector, the power sector,

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Speaker 2: the experts on why we should make a second language

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Speaker 2: compulsory at school. And the former boss of Mercury on

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Speaker 2: why we should treat cold the same as gas under

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Speaker 2: the ets basically make your power cheaper.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duper c Allen, We've got to talk.

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Speaker 2: About Cornwall Park. So over the weekend it was quite

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Speaker 2: windy in Auckland. If you're in Auckland, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. There was some crazy ass wind that was

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Speaker 2: my house. If you're out of Auckland. It was kind

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Speaker 2: of like a Dame Wellington, but in Auckland, so it's

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Speaker 2: unusual for us.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where we got to in the end,

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Speaker 2: but the forecast was for gusts of up to one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty k's per hour. So the people who

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Speaker 2: run Cornwill Park closed it on Sunday because of flying wood.

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Speaker 2: They were worried that staff and punters might be struck

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Speaker 2: by flying wood. So they shut the gates and they

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Speaker 2: closed the creamery, and they closed everything. Closed the Big

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Speaker 2: Strew closed everything because the flying wood. Meanwhile, on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: when Cornwall Park was closed, I went to another park,

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Speaker 2: which was Victoria Park in the Central City, which is

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Speaker 2: also actually incidentally full of really old trees and therefore

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Speaker 2: bits of wood, lots of branches and twigs and stuff

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Speaker 2: lying around. And despite the fact that there were three

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Speaker 2: none of us was struck by flying wood. Remarkably, we

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Speaker 2: also walked to the park down at a road which

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Speaker 2: is lined with old plane trees that have been there

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Speaker 2: for at least one hundred years. So if you're going

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Speaker 2: to be struck by a flying tree, you know, like

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Speaker 2: one of those. None of them fell on our heads,

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Speaker 2: nor did any of their branches or any of their

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Speaker 2: flying wood. Now, obviously it's their park, so the Cornwall

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Speaker 2: Park truss board can shut the park if they like,

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Speaker 2: And probably what they will say is that they didn't

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Speaker 2: You never know better to take care. I look at

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Speaker 2: this and think that's ridiculous that we are so worried

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Speaker 2: us out. Now, I would urge the people who run

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Speaker 2: Department of Conservation probably want to reconsider this, but at

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Speaker 2: the moment they still allow us to walk around in

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Speaker 2: over safety. Yes, of course you should extreme, you should

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Speaker 2: I don't think flying wood in a park on a

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Speaker 2: Don't you is the text number standard text speece applied.

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Speaker 2: Go on tell me how wrong I am. I'm happy

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Speaker 2: to hear it now. The government stepped in to help

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Speaker 2: to help keep the regional routes running. Cabinet's also back

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Speaker 2: the integration of booking systems so that regional carriers show

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Speaker 2: like a New Zealand has made Duayanne EMONI is the

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Speaker 2: CEO of Air Chathams and with us. Now, Hi, Dwayne,

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Speaker 2: how good is that booking thing though?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really good, really good.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a key piece and we're actually a

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Speaker 5: Any Zealands. So we're looking to hopefully roll out a

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Speaker 5: we can get for that's greatly appreciated, because.

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Speaker 2: Do you have to pay for it, like I mean

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Speaker 2: if you But I'm shocked that we don't do this already.

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Speaker 2: You book anywhere else in the world, you get this,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can go from Auckland to wherever you

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Speaker 2: Why doesn't it Why don't we do it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question.

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Speaker 5: likes of global distribution systems, But again the airline has

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Speaker 5: linked into those systems, and some of the really smaller

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Speaker 5: carriers you just can't justify it because these costs are

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Speaker 4: So I think the fact that government's picked U up

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, how do we make these regional routes

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Speaker 5: more viable. Well, the best way to do that is

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Speaker 5: to effectively partner them with a much bigger airline that

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Speaker 5: everyone knows about, and then it just becomes part of

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's definitely a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Now what about this thirty million dollars in loans?

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Speaker 2: Is this helpful? Is this what you guys are struggling

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Speaker 4: I think we need to make sure that it's helpful.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, this is something that's been lobbied on

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Speaker 5: It's spent the last number of months complaining about how

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Speaker 4: Most of that.

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Speaker 5: It's not going to do everything, but it's definitely better

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. Hey listen, thank you so much mate, look after

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Speaker 2: yourself and best of luck with the business that is.

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Speaker 2: Dwayne em Andy, the CEO of Air Chathams Heather. No

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Speaker 2: one appears to have got hurt from windborne flying wood,

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Speaker 2: so the shutdown must have worked. Date one hundred percent, no, George,

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, hmm, how remarkable

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Speaker 2: Then the huddle's going to talk about this flying wood business.

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Speaker 2: Heather, come on, eighty thousand lives got saved from Flying Wood. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can run me through the injury list for the

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Speaker 7: Okay Toamathi Tava, tavannahway out for twelve weeks, cam Royguard,

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Speaker 7: cayleb Park and Luke Jacobson still going to play another

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Speaker 7: a race against time after a whack to the ribs.

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Speaker 7: So quite a few halfbacks in there, Heather, you would

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Speaker 7: be in a situation on Saturday night, biggest home test

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Speaker 7: Preston a lot good player, but massive pressure on him.

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Speaker 7: On the plus side, Leicester fight England. Nook who was

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Speaker 7: back in the All Blacks. The New Zealand Rugby Board

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Speaker 7: names on Thursday going to be very interesting. Indeed, yes, Raiser.

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Speaker 2: Must be feeling a little bit nervous about this.

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Speaker 7: What do you think I think you should be? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I mean I think you should be. It's prob's certainly

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Speaker 7: the biggest test of his tenure and like I say,

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Speaker 7: Mean last year he was kind of well he was new,

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Speaker 2: Do you know about the pizza index? This is when

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Speaker 3: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage.

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Speaker 3: Like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be yea, why did we not rest everybody this

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Speaker 2: This is the South Africa game. By by the way,

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Speaker 2: It's like eleven years old?

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Speaker 2: By eleven years old, I mean, your brain's still got

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Speaker 2: learn French, I want to learn Japanese, I want to

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Speaker 8: We got a fastest car.

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Speaker 2: It's a fast enough so we get flying away steal

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Speaker 2: and to make your decision, leavenweleven died this way.

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Speaker 3: Hard questions, strong opinion.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand tans

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Speaker 2: Here here, If only we hadn't wasted two years finally

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: A car has crashed into Russia's consulate in Sydney. The

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Speaker 3: The car was within the compound.

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Speaker 7: There was a policeman drawing his gun asking for the

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Speaker 2: Olli Peterson on that shortly. Chinese President Jijiping is hosting

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Speaker 9: I would certainly say that China and Russia's relationship is

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Speaker 4: That's been for me.

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Speaker 2: And finally, former Californian Governor Arnold Swartzenegger has called on

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Speaker 2: He says, even with Trump in the White House, there's

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Speaker 10: As if we all have a responsibility, What do you

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Speaker 1: Work international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 2: Olie Peterson six PR Perth Live presenters with us. Hello,

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Speaker 2: Wally are you there?

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Speaker 11: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Hallowally? Okay, what do we know about this car crash?

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Speaker 11: Well, what we know is there was a car outside

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Speaker 11: their guns and were heard shouting get out of the vehicle,

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Speaker 11: get out of the vehicle. Before this thirty nine year

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Speaker 11: old man has been taken into custody. So we wait

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Speaker 11: to find out more information what the motivation was and

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Speaker 11: what the target may have been.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the latest with Dezzi Freeman.

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Speaker 11: He's still on the run. This is the seventh day

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Speaker 11: that police are obviously searching for him. Now the weather

445
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Speaker 11: has improved, with been hearing that it's been quite inclement

446
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Speaker 11: over the last few days. Have been blizzards, have been

447
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Speaker 11: dune snow on the Mount Buffalo, which has made those

448
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Speaker 11: efforts to try and find him a rather challenging. But

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Speaker 11: police have now deployed four hundred and fifty people in

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Speaker 11: that search. So look, I have no other information. It's

451
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Speaker 11: just a hunch, Heather. He obviously knows the area particularly

452
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Speaker 11: well and he's gone off greed. Whether he's got some

453
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Speaker 11: sort of bunker or he's got some way of obviously

454
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Speaker 11: hiding there in the countryside. This is obviously very concerning

455
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Speaker 11: still for locals, very concerning for the police force, and

456
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Speaker 11: hopefully he is found as soon as possible. But the

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Speaker 11: seventh day, the hunt continues. Massive amount of police resources

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Speaker 11: being thrown at this operation.

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Speaker 2: The four hundred and fifty are they all coppers coppers?

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Speaker 11: There's some sees involved in this as well, but there

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Speaker 11: are four hundred and fifty police officers who have been deployed.

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Speaker 2: To find him, probably all with weapons.

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Speaker 11: A I'm sure they can't wait to find him.

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Speaker 2: That sounds of it.

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Speaker 11: He did a bit dominant, didn't it. But I mean

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Speaker 11: you've imagine now angry you'd be right now if you're

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Speaker 11: a police officer searching for this bloke.

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Speaker 2: Oh geez, No, that's not what I was saying, Olie,

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Speaker 2: Like I wasn't saying they're going in with weapons to

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Speaker 2: seek vengeance. I mean, he's armed, so they will be armed.

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Speaker 2: But I see where your brain went with that.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, that's right. I mean, I mean, that's it is.

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Speaker 11: He set up another ambush, though you know, you don't

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Speaker 11: know what this person's capable.

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Speaker 2: Of well, exactly right, I mean, yeah, I mean, jeez,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. It's not exactly like a situation

478
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Speaker 2: we have here, but similar enough for you to think, jeez,

479
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Speaker 2: you don't want to be having a firefighters now, what's

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Speaker 2: going on with his anti immigration protesters.

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Speaker 11: So look, we had sort of ten thousand people roughly speaking,

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Speaker 11: across most of the capital cities. So that's ten thousand.

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Speaker 11: So the anti immigration rallies the government's calling it. You know,

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Speaker 11: it has been hijacked as well by some of these

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Speaker 11: neo Nazi organizations because we've had you know, a lot

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Speaker 11: of extremism on both sides of the political spectrum, if

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Speaker 11: you like. But this turned into in some city some

488
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Speaker 11: pretty ugly scenes. I'm not saying it's enough to get

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Speaker 11: married away with, though, Like I mean, you think about

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Speaker 11: the populations of Australia's major cities. If you're getting eight

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Speaker 11: thousand people turning up to a rally in Sydney, that's

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Speaker 11: dittly squat. That's not that many people. Fifteen thousand people

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Speaker 11: in Adelaide short, it's probably a bit more per capita.

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Speaker 11: But let's not get carried away with the fact that, yes,

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Speaker 11: these rallies were held over the weekend. They were not good.

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Speaker 11: You know, there's no tolerance for racism in Australia that

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Speaker 11: there's also going to be tolerance for tolerance's sake, you know.

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Speaker 11: I just think that there's some nutterers out there. There's

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Speaker 11: some people that decided that all get together in the

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Speaker 11: city and we saw a bit of argie bargie here

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Speaker 11: in Perth as well. But you know, unfortunately it's happening,

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Speaker 11: and these things are happening in cities around the world

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Speaker 11: at the moment. But I think the numbers of people

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Speaker 11: that turned up for what our population is tiny, miniscule,

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Speaker 11: and they can go back into their holes and hide

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Speaker 11: and get on their keyboards and they can start abusing

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Speaker 11: people behind those little faceless images that they have on

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Speaker 11: Facebook and Instagram and all those social media platforms.

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Speaker 2: Olie, always good to talk to you, Thank you mate.

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Speaker 2: That's only Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter Hebard. So

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Speaker 2: if you were listening on Friday, you would have caught

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Speaker 2: the news that Neil quigglely resigned as the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: chairs basically because we chatted to Nikola Willis pretty much

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Speaker 2: as soon as it was made public, and she told

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Speaker 2: us she'd basically told him to quit. She had added

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Speaker 2: chat to him three o'clock, might have even added a

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Speaker 2: chat to him again after that four fifty five. He

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Speaker 2: tended his resignation anyway. Janet Tipstraney, who's been doing a

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Speaker 2: lot of really good work on this, has written a

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Speaker 2: great piece on it for The Herald. It's up on

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Speaker 2: The Herald's website right now, basically arguing why Nikola Willis

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Speaker 2: isn't altogether free of criticism here either. She said, Nikola

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Speaker 2: Willis went so far as to say that she would

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Speaker 2: have asked Quigglely to resign had he not done so himself.

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Speaker 2: If Willis felt so strongly about the matter, why didn't

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Speaker 2: she ask Quigley to resign sooner? Because Nichola Willis knew

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Speaker 2: that Or had stepped down, and she also knew that

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Speaker 2: the board presented all with a letter of concerns. She

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Speaker 2: had virtually the same information on Friday as she had

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Speaker 2: had six months ago. The only thing that changed was

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Speaker 2: that the public found out that they had been sled.

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Speaker 2: Now she makes the argument like excellent points there. She

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Speaker 2: makes the argument that Nikola Willis only cut Neil Quiggly

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Speaker 2: free on Friday because it was starting to hurt her,

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Speaker 2: and I agree with that. Actually, nothing that was revealed

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Speaker 2: last week about the Reserve Bank, nothing that basically caused

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis to have to cut Neil Quigly free, was

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Speaker 2: new to her. She knew the whole time, She knew

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Speaker 2: all six months that they were misleading us, and she

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Speaker 2: let them. So I would love to actually be able

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Speaker 2: to ask her about that this evening. But incidentally, she's

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Speaker 2: not with us. She's flying to Australia for a meeting.

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Speaker 2: We've got Chris Bishop, but we'll take him. He's with

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Speaker 2: us after six sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: Right, veryso for senior political correspondents with us now, Hello Barres,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Rich investors are going to be allowed to buy houses finally.

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Speaker 8: Well they are. The law won't be passed until the

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Speaker 8: end of the year, so they're still a little way off. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 8: there has been a commitment that that will happen. You've

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Speaker 8: got to have either five million bucks by a million

555
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Speaker 8: dollar house or ten million dollars for a different category

556
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Speaker 8: of visa that you can have a mixed investment over

557
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Speaker 8: a number of areas. Interestingly, I had a bit of

558
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Speaker 8: a chuck on myself as well about Winston Peters posting

559
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Speaker 8: on X sounds like Donald Trump, which is where we

560
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Speaker 8: get all the information about what he's thinking. But Winston Peters,

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Speaker 8: he said, the foreign buyers ban remains well, it does

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Speaker 8: to an extent. He said that the governments ensured tight

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Speaker 8: restrictions around the policy, excluding the sale of rural farm

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Speaker 8: and sensitive land. But it does mean that if you

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Speaker 8: are an investor, and to me it makes absolute sense.

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Speaker 8: You come to the country and if you're planning to

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Speaker 8: live here and you're putting money into the country, of

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Speaker 8: course you want to buy a house here. The Immigration

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Speaker 8: MI is Erica Stanford, who was standing beside Chris Luxon

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Speaker 8: when the announcement was made. She said the investor v

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Speaker 8: Jess they had hoped that they would get two hundred

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Speaker 8: in the first year. Well, in the first five months

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Speaker 8: of the year they got three hundred, which is pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 8: It shows that New Zealand is seen as a pretty

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Speaker 8: good destination. And I've got to say she wackx lyrical

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Speaker 8: about what they bring to this country.

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Speaker 12: If you allow people to buy a home they spend

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Speaker 12: more time here and you can speak to the people

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Speaker 12: in the room who are evidence of that. And when

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Speaker 12: they are here more they invest in their local communities.

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Speaker 12: And I'll tell you the other thing about them, they

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Speaker 12: are an amazing philanthropist in their local communities. So when

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Speaker 12: you are thinking about economic growth and tagging that into

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Speaker 12: our local communities, these are amazing people with great connections

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Speaker 12: and they get a huge passion for New Zealand and

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Speaker 12: their value is exponential.

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Speaker 8: So there were people in the room that clearly fall

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Speaker 8: into the category that she was talking about, So hopefully

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Speaker 8: we'll hear some stories out of them following this today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what's your take on Neil Quigley's resignation.

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Speaker 8: Well, look, I feel for Neil Quigley. You know, I've

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Speaker 8: met the man on a number of occasions, a very

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Speaker 8: all sort of a fellow. And don't forget he's the

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Speaker 8: one that's behind the medical school at Waikata University, where

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Speaker 8: is the vice chancellor. But the fact is when Adrian Or,

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Speaker 8: when they got into the stash, Adrian Or was clearly

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Speaker 8: a very difficult man to deal with, and when they

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Speaker 8: came to an agreement that he would go, they in fact,

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Speaker 8: were sworn.

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Speaker 2: To secrecy disclosure agreement.

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Speaker 8: They had both had non disclosure agreements and the fact

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Speaker 8: of the matter is that neither the Finance Minister nor

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Speaker 8: Treasury were bound by those agreements, so they could say

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Speaker 8: a lot more. All Quigley said was that he basically

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Speaker 8: made a personal decision to go, and in the end,

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Speaker 8: if you ought to be pedantic about it, you could

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Speaker 8: say that Adrian Or, even though he threw a tanti

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Speaker 8: threw his cots toys out of the cot, it was

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Speaker 8: a personal decision, like any resignation is, so you know,

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Speaker 8: you can argue that. But then Labour's been criticized the

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Speaker 8: whole issue, and don't forget it was Labor that reappointed

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Speaker 8: Adrian Or to the job against a political a lot

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Speaker 8: of political opposition to it from the government that came

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Speaker 8: in a year later and from others as well, but

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Speaker 8: nevertheless he was reappointed to the job. The Prime Minister

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Speaker 8: said this morning that a new governor will be appointed

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Speaker 8: within weeks. This afternoon he said he's not worried about

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Speaker 8: the bank stability, despite what Labour's been saying.

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Speaker 9: They don't take any lectures from the Labor Party on economics.

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Speaker 9: I don't think they really have great literacy in the space,

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Speaker 9: having been the people that actually put us in this

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Speaker 9: very difficult situation that all Hisslanders are experiencing. So you know,

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Speaker 9: what I'd say to you is, we've got a very

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Speaker 9: stronger experienced management team.

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Speaker 4: We've got a very stronger experience bought and.

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Speaker 9: They are quite capable of fully discharging their obligations as

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Speaker 9: a reserve bank.

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Speaker 4: And so I've got every confidence on them.

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Speaker 9: You know, having come from an outside world, it's not

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Speaker 9: uncommon that you change chair and see are at the same time.

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Speaker 8: I think it's quite uncommon. But nevertheless, so.

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Speaker 2: I just want to clarify. So are you arguing that

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Speaker 2: Neil Quigley is hard done by?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 8: I am, actually, you know, I think he is quite

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Speaker 8: hard done by.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I can see you're smirking there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am smirking so hard at you right now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, Well, look, I think he was hard done

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Speaker 8: by because if you if you signed to sign up

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Speaker 8: to a confidentiality agreement, you don't then go and spill

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Speaker 8: the beans outside of that because by law you can't

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Speaker 8: do it anyway. And I thought he was caught between

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Speaker 8: a rock and a horde.

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Speaker 2: Can I give you an alternative view on of course?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 2: So, first of all, if you just because you sign

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Speaker 2: an NDA doesn't mean that you need to go tell

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Speaker 2: Fibbs in public. Right, So he said personal decisions or

651
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Speaker 2: use sophistry, which is which is the use of language

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Speaker 2: intended to mislead people to believe one thing when it's

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Speaker 2: actually another thing, which is what he did. So you

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Speaker 2: don't have to tell fibbs because you signed an NDA.

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Speaker 2: You can simply say I cannot talk about this for

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Speaker 2: legal reasons.

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Speaker 8: Well is he could have clarified that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the first problem is telling phibbies. The second

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Speaker 2: problem then is that clearly the NDA did not preclude

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Speaker 2: them from telling us what actually happened, that Adrian Or

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Speaker 2: stepped down and that Adrian All was replaced by Christian

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Speaker 2: Hawksby and that he was out of the office for

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Speaker 2: five days and blah blah blah. They could do that

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Speaker 2: because the ombitsmen ordered them to do that, and they

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Speaker 2: did that. So why didn't So my interpretation of it

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Speaker 2: is that they were they used the NDA as cover

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Speaker 2: for just not telling us.

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Speaker 8: The true Well you know who knows? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 8: I think if you sign up to a confidentiality agreement.

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Speaker 8: You've got to abide by it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Barry, thank you? Why are you laughing at thank you?

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Speaker 6: Yours one?

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Speaker 2: No, you haven't won. I'm just I just I'm out

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Speaker 2: of time.

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Speaker 11: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And also that's the end of that though. Haven't we

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Speaker 2: put that one to bed?

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Speaker 3: Haven't we?

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Speaker 2: Anyway? Barry So for Senior Political Correspondence, seven away from five, Putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Christopher Luxan is with us?

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Speaker 3: Now I ask you one more time?

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Speaker 4: God, this is foreign biased.

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Speaker 3: It is foreign biased. Is today the day? And we

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Speaker 3: are very.

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Speaker 9: Close Mike, when emminently before we meet next time within

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Speaker 9: a week, So this week they could well be. But

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Speaker 9: you're about to put me up against a wall and

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Speaker 9: just no, I'm just sick of asking the question. I

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Speaker 9: want to get just the reason I asked the question.

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Speaker 9: One more week of this?

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Speaker 11: Well, it can't be one more week because he said

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Speaker 11: it's this week exactly, So it.

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Speaker 4: Is this week.

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Speaker 9: I want this country up and running and pulling every

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Speaker 9: level we can.

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Speaker 4: To make exactly easy to do business.

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Speaker 13: How can it be back tomorrow at six am?

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Speaker 2: The mic Hosking Breakfast with Rain Drover News Talk z B. Listen,

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Speaker 2: we're number three on the piece index New Zealand. We've

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Speaker 2: gone up. We've gone up a couple of spots, which

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Speaker 2: is very exciting news. So we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: that at a quarter past five. Heather, surely you're going

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Speaker 2: to mention the Ordiny Kuiperer interview. Yes, Pam, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to mention the ord Any Kuiper interview. Yeah. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that she's stoked with how that interview on Q

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Speaker 2: and A went yesterday. This is the Marty Party candidate.

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Speaker 2: Jack was asking her whether the Marty Party has actually

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Speaker 2: changed people's lives, and she was like, yeah, we've repealed

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of things.

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Speaker 14: In my position where the Party Marty has I mean

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Speaker 14: they have repealed quite a few, you know, and actively repealed.

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Speaker 14: Was still in the process of repealing. I know, there's

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Speaker 14: not much. What do you mean trying to think, well,

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Speaker 14: there's ok I need my phone.

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Speaker 3: It is the kats.

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Speaker 15: Let me pack up on a point, okay, is in

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Speaker 15: the government's repealing things?

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Speaker 14: No, no, no, I mean to part MA. Sorry, I

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Speaker 14: don't know my phone on me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it's horrible with kater Pie. Katie Pie, sorry,

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Speaker 2: you don't have your phone on you. It's hideous when

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Speaker 2: you don't have your phone on you when you're trying

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Speaker 2: to just like make stuff up.

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Speaker 16: That.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a Marti Party is not going to be repealing

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Speaker 2: anything at the moment because they're not in government. You

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Speaker 2: have to be in government made to repeal things. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: as Jack says Katie Pie. Eric Stanford with us next

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Speaker 2: on the investors being able to buy houses and the

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Speaker 2: rumors are the rumors are generations being split off the

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Speaker 2: retail for the energy bundle together will get the latest

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Speaker 2: for you with the people who've heard the rumors, whose.

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Speaker 3: Thinks it been.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try the truck to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, get the answers, find and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Here the dupicl and Drive with One New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: the power of satellite mobile news dogs there.

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Speaker 2: Be afternoon, the government's finally made its long awaited announcement

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Speaker 2: on foreigners being able to buy houses. Here, foreign investors

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Speaker 2: who invest five million dollars will now also be allowed

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Speaker 2: to buy one house that costs five million dollars or more.

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford is the Immigration ministand with us. Hey Erica, afternoon,

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Speaker 2: how are you. I'm well, thank you. So why five million?

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Speaker 12: Well, we wanted to make sure that the investment in

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Speaker 12: the housing market wasn't going to cause any problems for

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Speaker 12: first home buyers or skew the market. And I think

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Speaker 12: five million was a good figure because it represents only

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Speaker 12: the very top one percent, and so it means that

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Speaker 12: these people can come settle in New zealand get used

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Speaker 12: to the landscape, spend more money here, also not skew

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Speaker 12: the property market, which is what we wanted to avoid.

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Speaker 2: How many houses have we got in the country worth

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Speaker 2: five million or more?

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Speaker 12: Well, it's one percent of the market. And I did

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Speaker 12: I heard the number today and I forgot what it was.

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Speaker 12: But it's one percent of whatever that figure is. And

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Speaker 12: I'll see if I can look it up while I'm

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Speaker 12: talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, I appreciate it. How many investors do

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Speaker 2: you reckon we'll be attracted as a result.

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Speaker 12: Well, I know the three hundred have already put their

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Speaker 12: applications and many of them will be keen to have

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Speaker 12: a house here. Not all of them immediately, but many

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Speaker 12: of them will. I'm expecting that this will mean we

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Speaker 12: will get more applications. I know that when I've talked

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Speaker 12: to lawyers and immigration agents, they've said that they've got

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Speaker 12: people who are interested, but the house buying thing was

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Speaker 12: a problem. So I'm expecting we'll start to see a

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Speaker 12: little uptick in applications we've seen. We saw a huge

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Speaker 12: surge at the beginning. It has tailed off now and

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Speaker 12: I expect we'll see another, maybe not the same surge

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Speaker 12: as we saw at the beginning, but I think we'll

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Speaker 12: see an uptick. So I'm expecting, you know, another couple

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Speaker 12: of hundred this year.

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Speaker 2: This seems like it was a really hard negotiation in cabinet,

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Speaker 2: was it.

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Speaker 12: It actually wasn't. And look, I think Winston has been

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Speaker 12: on the record over the fast past few weeks saying that,

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Speaker 12: you know, he wanted to get this done, but look,

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Speaker 12: some things take a little bit of time. But I

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Speaker 12: wasn't part of the negotiations.

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Speaker 2: But if it wasn't such a hard negotiation, why is

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Speaker 2: it taking you guys two years to do it?

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Speaker 12: Well, firstly, we only bought the AIP visa in April

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Speaker 12: this year, and it really only had surged numbers in

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Speaker 12: the last couple of months, so up until then the

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Speaker 12: previous settings that Labor put in place weren't attracting the

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Speaker 12: levels of migrants that we've seen, so it wasn't it

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Speaker 12: wasn't really an issue until the last sort of couple

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Speaker 12: of months where we've seen these three hundred applications with

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Speaker 12: others waiting to put the application in. So it's only

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Speaker 12: been a more recent issue that we've started to talk about.

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Speaker 2: All right, hey, thanks for your time. As always, Erica Stanford,

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Speaker 2: Immigration Minister here the Duplessyl. The government is set to

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Speaker 2: release its decision on how to fix the energy sector

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Speaker 2: sometime this month.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 2: This comes after the so called Frontier Report, which the

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Speaker 2: government commission telling it what to do to the electricity market.

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Speaker 2: That's been on the desks for a few months. I've

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Speaker 2: kept it under wraps, but rumors are swelling. Margaret Cooney

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Speaker 2: is the chief operating officer at Octopus Energy and with us.

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Speaker 2: Hey Margaret, Hi, how are you here?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Have you heard that this report recommends nationalizing

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Speaker 2: the thermal generation assets.

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Speaker 18: Yes, we've heard that from a number of credible sources

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Speaker 18: and it's swirling the energy nerd circles of Wellington that

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Speaker 18: this was a recommendation from Frontier.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you want.

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Speaker 18: Look, I think it's an interesting idea, but immediately we

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Speaker 18: need to increase supply in the sector, so just shifting

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Speaker 18: around existing assets doesn't really solve the problem. So we've

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Speaker 18: been suggesting to government that they should basically take the

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Speaker 18: board band approach or which is an approach used in

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Speaker 18: other countries and underwright new investment. So you can do

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Speaker 18: that by doing a tender, getting long term contracts the

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Speaker 18: new supplied to come into market as soon as possible,

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Speaker 18: and they should do that to match the government's own

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Speaker 18: demand profile. It would mean you'd need a mix of

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Speaker 18: different types of generation in order to give you the

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Speaker 18: certainty and confidence that that energy is there.

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Speaker 2: Government's not going to nationalize the thermal assets.

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Speaker 18: A I think it's unlikely with the national government, but

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Speaker 18: it is a concept that has been floated by A Frontiers.

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Speaker 18: So we're yet to hear how the government's going to

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Speaker 18: deal with that report. But I think there are better

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Speaker 18: solutions there that would help us resolve the electrocyed supply

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Speaker 18: crunch that we're in and also get the market settings

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Speaker 18: working so that we have a broader group of parties

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Speaker 18: that can invest in the new Zealand market and build

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Speaker 18: that much needed new generation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, tell me what you think they're actually going to

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Speaker 2: do then? Is it the underwriting?

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Speaker 18: Look, honestly, we don't know what the government is going

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Speaker 18: to do, but what I hope that they will do

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Speaker 18: is a combination of things. So it's act on the

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Speaker 18: announcements that they've will be ready made about improving the

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Speaker 18: market settings so that they support competition, that's one, but

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Speaker 18: immediately put out at tender for these long term contracts

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Speaker 18: so that we get the uplift and supply that is

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Speaker 18: so urgently needed. It's really not something we can wait for.

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Speaker 17: We've got this.

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Speaker 18: Immediate supply crunch. Really high prices have been there since

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Speaker 18: you know, twenty eighteen, and we've got looming gas supply shortages,

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Speaker 18: which mean that we immediately need to bolster the electricity

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Speaker 18: supply so we can accommodate industry that wants to electrify

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Speaker 18: and also reduce the alec TRICTI industries reliance on that

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Speaker 18: guest that's becoming more scarce.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Margaret, Thanks for your time. Margaret Cooney OCTOPUC

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Speaker 2: Entergy Chief Operating Office and why ask Chris Boshop a

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Speaker 2: question about that I think we all agree government's not

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Speaker 2: going to do that because it's nutty to start nationalizing assets.

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Speaker 2: I will talk to him after six o'clock. He's in

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Speaker 2: for Nikola Willis five thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Ever do for cl exciting.

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Speaker 2: News for Ikea fans. Jeez, if you're an Ikea fan,

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Speaker 2: you must be starting to fizz because we're going to

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Speaker 2: find out on Thursday when the Sylvia Park. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, you know, what's a date they're

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Speaker 2: going to tell us on Thursday when the Sylvia Park

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Speaker 2: store is going to open next year, And I guess

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Speaker 2: it does I'm sort of I'm want to be a

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Speaker 2: little bit cynical about it, but then at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I guess it does matter if it's March versus December,

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Speaker 2: because you know, that's a big difference. You can start

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Speaker 2: getting pretty excited about March going to to tie horror,

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Speaker 2: but for December anyway. They've also announced that they're going

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Speaker 2: to set up it's not just for Aucklanders, which I

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Speaker 2: think is super exciting. It's for everybody in the country.

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Speaker 2: So the store opens in Auckland and Sylvia Park, but

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Speaker 2: then anybody in the country can order this stuff and

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Speaker 2: actually just go and pick it up from your local

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Speaker 2: January twenty twenty six. Ever, Duplan Heather, it would be

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Speaker 2: quicker to go to Sweden and get your goods than

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Speaker 2: wait for New Zealand post delivery. To be fair, they've

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Speaker 2: got a bit of capacity now because they're not doing

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Speaker 2: the US tariff stuff for most of us the parcels

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Speaker 2: there By the way, I did get it wrong. It's

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Speaker 2: opening this this year. Now that's a thousand times more exciting,

911
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: isn't it, Because there's only three months So the only

912
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: question is how far before Christmas. And also the other

913
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: question is which weekend are we not going to IQRE

914
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: because everybody else is at iq And also the other

915
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Speaker 2: question is if you're in Christy, which weekend do you

916
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: need to book your tickets up to come to Ikre.

917
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: This is going to be full noise for us. Nothing

918
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Speaker 2: we love in New Zealand more than a supermarket opening

919
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Speaker 2: or a tunnel or a shop a nineteen past five.

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Speaker 2: Now New Zealand has jumped up the Global Peace indecks

921
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Speaker 2: up two spots. We're now ranked third in the world.

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Speaker 2: Goes Iceland, Ireland.

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Speaker 6: US.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Clements is an emeritus Professor of Peace and Conflict

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Speaker 2: Studies at the University of Otago and also the chair

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Speaker 2: of the Expert Advisory Panel for the Global Piece Index.

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Speaker 2: And with us now Hi Kevin, Hi, Hello, very well,

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Speaker 2: thank you. What have we done to go up two spots?

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Speaker 17: Well, well, it's based on three different things, so sort

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Speaker 17: of a measure of societal safety and security and ongoing

931
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Speaker 17: to Mesican national conflict and degree of militarization. And when

932
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Speaker 17: the data was coming in in New Zealand was not

933
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Speaker 17: joining all the other countries immediately agreeing to kind of

934
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Speaker 17: a five percent defense expenditure. But we've always been in

935
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Speaker 17: the top five ever since the index was developed in

936
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Speaker 17: nineteen years ago. So we've moved around a little bit,

937
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Speaker 17: but it's always been Ice and you see industriear in Switzerland.

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Speaker 2: So does it count against us that we've bought all

939
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Speaker 2: these helicopters and.

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Speaker 17: Worries Well, May next year, May next year we may drop.

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Speaker 2: Well that's counterintuitive, isn't it, Kevin, Because you're not going

942
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Speaker 2: to have peace if you can't defend your borders.

943
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Speaker 17: Well no, but but you also can't have peace if

944
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Speaker 17: there's no social cohesion, high levels of polarization, bad governors,

945
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Speaker 17: lack of free media and so forth. Piece are the

946
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Speaker 17: things which really can generate high levels of peacefulness and

947
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Speaker 17: in terms of what we understand as positive peace.

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Speaker 2: So is there anything to the fact that all three

949
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Speaker 2: in the top three, being Iceland, Ireland and ourselves have

950
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Speaker 2: we're islands. Does that count for something?

951
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Speaker 3: Well?

952
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Speaker 17: Yes, because we've got a new huge moats between us.

953
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Speaker 17: I mean that you know, our nearest neighbors is Australia,

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Speaker 17: and that provides you know, one one very major line

955
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Speaker 17: of defense. And it's true that they're all they're all islands, Australia, however,

956
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Speaker 17: is in Switzerland a landlocked So no, it's got more

957
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Speaker 17: to do with levels of militarization, high levels of state welfare,

958
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Speaker 17: education and so forth, good health systems, although these are

959
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Speaker 17: kind of currently under stress here. But you know, the

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Speaker 17: things which make up for social cohesion. I mean you

961
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Speaker 17: can see also what happens when when you move in

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Speaker 17: a direction of heavy militarization like the US. I mean

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Speaker 17: that's now I dropped one hundred and twenty eight out

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Speaker 17: of one hundred sixty three countries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, Kevin, thanks so much, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: That's Kevin clements Emiritus, Professor of Peace and Conflict Studies

967
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Speaker 2: at the University of Otago. Heither, for God's sake, make

968
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Speaker 2: the second language internationally useful like Spanish, Mandarinal Japanese, not

969
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: internationally useless like you know what says Jonathan from Altucky.

970
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Speaker 2: He's talking about Mary. He's talking about today Omari, Jonathan.

971
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Speaker 2: If you listen to the show, you know I totally Sagreasi.

972
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Speaker 2: In fact, if I was going to make anything compulsories,

973
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Speaker 2: be Mary for everybody after English. But we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that in about fifteen minutes time. Five to twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand coverage Like no one else

977
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Speaker 1: news talks, there'd be five twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Listen when the government says that part of the reason

979
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: that we should let the foreign investors back into the

980
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Speaker 2: property market is because of the work that they provide.

981
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Speaker 2: I actually one hundred percent back them up on this.

982
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Speaker 2: This is not making uppy stuff. This is real. So

983
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Speaker 2: there's an American couple who bought a house on our

984
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Speaker 2: street not that long ago, and I don't and they

985
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Speaker 2: paid around about five mil for I'm not entirely sure.

986
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Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure how they did that, but one

987
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: of them must have a passport or something like that. Anyway, anyway,

988
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Speaker 2: they are in America, though they're Florida based. They are

989
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Speaker 2: hardly at their house in Auckland, hardly ever at their house.

990
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: But they have so much maintenance going on at that

991
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: house that it's actually become quite funny. They have people

992
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: washing the house, then they have people doing the hedges.

993
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: Then they have a property agent that probably have cleaners.

994
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Speaker 2: Because if you've got five mil to buy a second

995
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Speaker 2: or third or fourth property. Of course, you've got cleaners,

996
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Speaker 2: and then they had somebody who cleaned the gutters the

997
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Speaker 2: other day. The guy who washes the house down regularly

998
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 2: told us that the house isn't actually even dirty anymore,

999
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Speaker 2: but he's just washing it down because he's been told

1000
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Speaker 2: that he needs to wash it down, so he just

1001
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Speaker 2: keeps on doing what he's told. But it's not actually dirty.

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Speaker 2: They've had furniture delivered, they've had furniture installed, they've had

1003
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Speaker 2: appliances delivered, they've had appliances installed, they've had maintenance done

1004
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Speaker 2: inside the house. Now they're putting in a pool. It

1005
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 2: is a big pool. The pool guys have been building

1006
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Speaker 2: the pool I reckon for about four months. They've got

1007
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Speaker 2: concrete guys. They've got digger guys, they've got piling guys,

1008
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: they've got pipe laying guys. They've got the guys who

1009
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Speaker 2: are doing the pool. Then the guys who did our

1010
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: pool glass is now going to do their pool glass.

1011
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: And this obviously means that the couple will need to

1012
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: add to their schedule of maintenance a pool cleaning guy

1013
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: as well, who's going to be getting some work. So

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Speaker 2: do you see what I mean? This couple, and I

1015
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: really am not making this up. This couple by themselves

1016
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: is doing more maintenance on a house that they hardly

1017
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: ever live in than probably six houses on the street

1018
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: put together. Which is what you get when you are

1019
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: wealthy enough to build a house worth five million dollars

1020
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: and then take your US currency and convert that into

1021
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: New Zealand dollars and see how far that actually goes.

1022
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: This is a really smart call. What's happened from the

1023
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: government today is a smart call. The houses at five

1024
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: million dollars are really too expensive to mean that the

1025
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Speaker 2: foreign buyers are competing with our first home buyers or

1026
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Speaker 2: even most of our buyers. Frankly, it gives the foreign

1027
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Speaker 2: buyers the option of living here in their own home,

1028
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: which I think is reasonable, and it provides so much

1029
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: work apparently for oursmes, so it's a winner all round.

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Speaker 3: Ever, dup for c Allen.

1031
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: Did you realize did you realize that the spring Boks

1032
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: and the spring Box and the All Blacks were asked

1033
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: to change their jerseys this weekend because of color blindness?

1034
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: So this is a world rugby thing. There is guidelines

1035
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: that were first published in twenty twenty one which wants.

1036
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: It's designed to help people with color blindness to tell

1037
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: which which of the squads is which are the squads?

1038
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: And unfortunately the black in the black is very black,

1039
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: but the green and the spring box jersey is very

1040
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 2: dark as well, and so if you've got color blindness

1041
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: for those colors, you can't tell them apart. Anyway. While

1042
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: I I'm all about loving everybody and stuff like that,

1043
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: thank god, they've gone back to World rugby and been like, no,

1044
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: we're the green and gold guys, we're the black guys.

1045
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: We're just playing in our jerseys. Common sense prevails. Common

1046
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: sense News is next.

1047
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 3: The day's newspeakers talk to Heather First.

1048
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: Heather du for Sellen Drive with One New Zealand and

1049
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: the Power of Satellite Mobile News Talk said be.

1050
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 2: Puddles standing by Christmashi was in for MICHAELA. Willis after

1051
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: six o'clock. Also, I need to say, I am honestly

1052
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: have you heard about the toe Hunger Police, the crack

1053
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: squad they've got on the retail crime. These guys are awesome.

1054
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to run you through that short lits

1055
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: twenty five away from six. Now let's talk about languages.

1056
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: There are calls for the country to make it compulsory

1057
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: to learn a second language at school. It turns out

1058
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: there are now fewer students learning a second language than

1059
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: there were in the nineteen thirties. Juliet Kennedy as the

1060
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: president of the Association of Language Teachers Julett.

1061
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Speaker 19: Hello, Hi Heather, how are you going very well?

1062
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: Thank you? So are we talking about it making it

1063
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: compulsory for years seven to ten?

1064
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: Are we?

1065
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 19: Yes? That's right, Yes, we would like to make languages

1066
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 19: compulsory from year seven to ten.

1067
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: Aren't we missing? I mean, that's fine, but aren't we

1068
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: missing the most important years to learn a language, which

1069
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: I would have thought would be under five.

1070
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Speaker 19: Well that's a really good question. Ideally in an ideal world,

1071
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 19: and what many countries already do is teach languages from

1072
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 19: year one right the way through to high school, such

1073
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 19: as the likes in South Africa and Europe. In some

1074
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 19: parts of Australia and England. However, the recommendations put through

1075
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 19: by the Chinese Language Week Trust are meant to be

1076
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 19: immediately implementable, So we wouldn't have a workforce to start

1077
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 19: from year one all the way through to year eleven,

1078
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 19: but we would have a workforce there from year seven

1079
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 19: to year ten.

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00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: Definitely, And in an ideal world, we start basically the

1081
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: minute they walk into the school.

1082
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 19: Absolutely, absolutely, in an ideal world, that is the best

1083
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 19: time to start. But we need to make steps in

1084
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 19: that direction before we can do that.

1085
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: What is the smart thing? I mean, what do you

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Speaker 2: guys think. Do you think that we get to choose

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Speaker 2: which languages our kids learn or do we just have

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Speaker 2: one and we go this is what you all learn.

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Speaker 19: Well, that's also an excellent question. I think we were

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Speaker 19: going to make language learning compulsory that it's quite a

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Speaker 19: complex issue, and so my personal view is that we

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Speaker 19: need to begin with Tady or Mary as our official

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Speaker 19: language and our indigenous language, and also think about New

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Speaker 19: Zealand Sign language. But it's also really important that students

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Speaker 19: have a chance to learn other languages, including heritage languages

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Speaker 19: which have spoken in our community, but also kind of

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Speaker 19: world stage languages such as Chinese or French or Spanish

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Speaker 19: or German or Japanese. So it's a very tricky question

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Speaker 19: to ask. I think some hard decisions would have to

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Speaker 19: be made by school communities, but there are ways around it.

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Speaker 19: If we strengthen distance education, for example, in New Zealand

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Speaker 19: like they have in Australia, we would be able to

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Speaker 19: offer a wider choice for kids that didn't want to

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Speaker 19: go with the chosen languages of the school in the

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Speaker 19: school community.

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Speaker 2: Juliet, thanks very much appreciated, Juliet Kennedy, New Zealand Association

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Speaker 2: of Language Teachers Presidents twenty two away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your

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Speaker 1: one of a kind on.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle of us this evening we have Sharson of Sheerson,

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Speaker 2: Willis pr and Joseph Gurney, the CEO of Child Fund

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Speaker 2: High Ladies.

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Speaker 8: Hello.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: If we make a language compulsory, which language do you choose?

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Speaker 2: I do today, Ol Marty.

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Speaker 20: For a start, that is an official language of New Zealand.

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00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 20: It is a treasure of New Zealand. I can completely

1119
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 20: support this. When I was about probably nineteen, I went

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Speaker 20: to Europe for the very first time, and I was

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Speaker 20: sitting in a little backpackers at breakfast and a whole

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Speaker 20: lot of people came downstairs for their breakfast and they

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Speaker 20: were talking three four five different languages and interchanging, and

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Speaker 20: I felt super stupid. Yes, and I thought, you know,

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Speaker 20: when I heard this this morning, I thought, actually, language

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00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 20: for New Zealanders is a skill for the world, and

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00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 20: it's really important. I think that our kids have it

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Speaker 20: as compulsory at school, and once you learn one language,

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Speaker 20: it's far easier to learn another. Also, learning a language

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Speaker 20: teaches you a huge amount about English and the real

1131
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 20: crunchy basics of English that we're probably not being taught.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. Yeah, me too. What do you think, Jersey, which.

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Speaker 12: I totally agree. I mean, I don't think it matters

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Speaker 12: what language.

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Speaker 2: It is, So it does matter. It does matter because

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Speaker 2: either what you're doing, you're either deciding that a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of kids are going to speak for French, hold

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Speaker 2: a bunch of kids is going to speak Spanish matter,

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Speaker 2: or everybody speaks the same language and can talk to

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Speaker 2: each other, so you have to pick one.

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Speaker 21: But the point you're right, well, what I mean is,

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Speaker 21: I don't think it matters which one you pack, because

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Speaker 21: whatever the language is, when a kid is speaking two languages,

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00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 21: their mind opens to the idea that that object over

1145
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 21: their table can have several names and it's still a table.

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Speaker 21: So it makes it easier to learn a second language

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Speaker 21: and even a third language, and so yeah, you're absolutely right, Heavy.

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Speaker 21: I think you've got to have a structure around this,

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Speaker 21: And like you guys, I would go learn to to

1150
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Speaker 21: Rio Mari and then you get to pick one other one,

1151
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Speaker 21: whether it's a French or German or Spanish, or whether

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Speaker 21: it's Chinese or Japanese, depending on where you think you

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Speaker 21: want to go in your career.

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Speaker 12: Right as a kid.

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Speaker 21: But my point is I saw it with my own

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Speaker 21: kids who went to France speaking English and came back

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Speaker 21: fluent in French, and they had this whole sense of

1158
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 21: objects in the world having multiple names that it didn't

1159
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 21: frighten them when they heard other languages and other people

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Speaker 21: speaking languages, and they picked up to Rio Mari really well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because, as trisharees, once you can do one, you

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00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: can do heap, or two you can do heaps. Now, Trish,

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Speaker 2: do you like the foreign investors buying the houses?

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Speaker 20: I love the foreign investors buying the houses. And I

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00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 20: just feel absolutely over the political horse trading on this one.

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Speaker 20: It is absolutely common sense. And let me just start

1167
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Speaker 20: by a brick bat for labor on this Their comments

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Speaker 20: on this today show why they are absolutely not fit

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Speaker 20: to govern at the next election that they haven't done

1170
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Speaker 20: any deep thinking or moved on from where they were.

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Speaker 20: So their kick back to this was this is going

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Speaker 20: to push up house prices. So two points to make.

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Speaker 20: Number one, the New Zealand housing market is in one

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Speaker 20: of the deepest and longest depressions that it has ever

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Speaker 20: been in. And number two, for goodness sake, these are

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Speaker 20: people buying five million dollar houses. The number of New

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Speaker 20: Zealanders who can afford that is absolutely tiny. So they

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Speaker 20: just really have got their finger on the pulse here.

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Speaker 2: And I am absolutely with you.

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Speaker 20: The reason we want people to buy here and live

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Speaker 20: here and invest here is because we need more money

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Speaker 20: in the system and more jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Josie.

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Speaker 21: Look, I'm in favor of it, but I just don't

1185
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Speaker 21: think it's a big enough idea. And I think this

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Speaker 21: is one of the problems with the government's approach to

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Speaker 21: sort of fixing the economy, cost of living, growing the economy,

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Speaker 21: and so on, is that these people look at these

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Speaker 21: ideas and they go, Okay, that's fine. It's one percent

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Speaker 21: of housing stock. You're right, Trish, that are worth five

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Speaker 21: million dollars, so that's not much. It's probably going to

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Speaker 21: be about one hundred or so people who are of

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Speaker 21: the level to come in on this investment plan, and

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Speaker 21: you kind of go, that's fine, great.

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Speaker 12: They'll spend some money here.

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Speaker 2: But the bigger question is what are they going to

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Speaker 2: invest in.

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Speaker 21: Because we're fast deindustrializing New Zealand in terms of our businesses.

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Speaker 21: You know, are there enough funds, are there enough businesses?

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Speaker 21: Are there enough things to invest in? So everything seems

1201
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 21: to be hon It's way out, methadex Rio tinto steel, timber,

1202
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Speaker 21: Fonterra is selling off its brands and so on. So

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Speaker 21: I think one of the reasons that the polls are

1204
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 21: going down for the government is that people look at

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Speaker 21: these ideas. There's nothing to disagree with here really, and

1206
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 21: you look at it and go, fine, but is that

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Speaker 21: a big enough solution to these looming problems we've got

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Speaker 21: of a country grinding to a halt.

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Speaker 22: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair point you make, like we're

1211
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: going to take this one right, this is good, but

1212
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Speaker 2: we need better than this next time. Totally all right,

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Speaker 2: let's take a break with you too. Come back shortly

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Speaker 2: seventeen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southebys International Realty, the global

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00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle Trescherson and Joseph Bagani.

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00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: Josie Barry Sober says that he feels sorry for Neil

1219
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 2: Quigley having to quit, Do you.

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Speaker 21: Honestly the story has more character development than most Netflix series.

1221
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 21: At the moment, it's tough on him. It is tough

1222
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 21: on Neil quickly. I do have some sympathy for him.

1223
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Speaker 21: He's performed well in the job, and you know, he

1224
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,479
Speaker 21: hasn't done such a bad job. It's just that lack

1225
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 21: of frankness and the feeling that it's seeped out in

1226
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 21: this really unseemly way that we got all the facts

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Speaker 21: about All's resignation, and I just think people in the end,

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00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 21: if you don't trust the Reserve Bank and the chair

1229
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 21: of the Reserve Bank, you've got big, big problems. I

1230
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 21: do think the guy who's stepping up into his position,

1231
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 21: Roger Finley, who's actually if anyone's going to renew trust,

1232
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Speaker 21: it'll be him. I mean, he's got a huge back

1233
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 21: then governance and sorting out dysfunctional organizations. I think he

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00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 21: did banking in London in the past, so I hope

1235
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 21: they just stopped there for a while. Just settle down,

1236
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 21: roll your sleeves up, do the work, and stop changing

1237
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 21: and having these drama Netflix dramas, and let's just get

1238
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 21: on with it because I've got to recruit someone.

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Speaker 20: I have lived my adult life with the Reserve Bank's

1240
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 20: reputation being unimpeachable, just like the exterior of that building

1241
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 20: in Wellington is so solid, and also through my lifetime,

1242
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 20: until we got to Adrian Orr, we had what you want,

1243
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 20: which is an old school Reserve Bank governors. They are

1244
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 20: like the Mount Rushmore. They just wheeled out, there's no emotion,

1245
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 20: They give the facts and then they wheel them back in.

1246
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Speaker 20: I cannot believe that the reputation of the Reserve Bank

1247
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 20: has sunk to this level. Yes, and I think the

1248
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 20: energy that the Reserve Bank put into trying to cover

1249
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 20: up Adrian Or's resignation and what really happened is a

1250
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 20: serious issue. The idea that New Zealanders weren't allowed to

1251
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 20: know what had happened is ridiculous and in the event,

1252
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 20: we should have known immediately. And the other point about

1253
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 20: it is that the government has heaped on the reputational damage.

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00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 20: So last Monday, with the Prime Minister coming on Mike

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Speaker 20: Hoskins Show and saying he has some reckons with the

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Speaker 20: Reserve Bank. The acting governor, Christian Hawksby. I think the

1257
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 20: Nikola Willis handling of this it has just heaped on

1258
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 20: their reputational damage of the Reserve Bank and that is

1259
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 20: very very serious now, especially at the time we're in now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I think Josie that there are

1261
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: real questions around whether Nicola Willis can actually walk away

1262
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: from this completely unscathed and escape criticism because she knew

1263
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: for six months, she knew that the story that they

1264
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: were telling us was a bunch of porky's and she

1265
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: just kept on, she kept on covering for them. That's unexcepted.

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Speaker 21: But the first mistake, the first mistake though, is to

1267
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 21: think that you could do a deal with Adriane or

1268
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 21: to say this letter will be screwed up and put

1269
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 21: on the bin and it will never come out when

1270
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 21: you're right trous something is where trust is the absolute

1271
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 21: currency in the Reserve Bank when it comes to its role,

1272
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 21: and if you lose that trust, you then have to

1273
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 21: go right.

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Speaker 12: We've got to.

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00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 21: Name the problem, tell people what it was. There was

1276
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 21: a breakdown in the relationship, a breakdown and behavior breakdown

1277
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 21: with Adrian and Nicola Willis and so on. Be straight

1278
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 21: up with people, because we know you're all human, but

1279
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 21: we don't trust you now that you're going to tell

1280
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 21: us when things go wrong again. And so whoever is

1281
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 21: coming in, whoever comes in as the next governor, you know,

1282
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 21: Roger Finley stays as the chair. The thing they've got

1283
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 21: to focus on more than anything now is steady as

1284
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 21: she goes. Trust, transparency, tell us everything that you know,

1285
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 21: talk us through what you're debating in your in meetings

1286
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 21: about what you're.

1287
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Speaker 22: Going to do.

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01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: Give us.

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Speaker 21: Reassure us that we will know if things are going

1290
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 21: badly wrong again.

1291
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: Yep, stop telling Porky's Okay, Trish, was it windy enough

1292
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: in Auckland yesterday to shut Cornwall Park? In case you

1293
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 2: got hat by a bit of flying wood.

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01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 20: I am completely exercised about the fact that just general

1295
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 20: winter weather these days means that harbor bridges are closed,

1296
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 20: parks are closed. There is literally a mass panic. And

1297
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 20: you know, I have to say when I read a

1298
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 20: headline that says an atmospheric river, which just means rain,

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Speaker 20: Actually that's all that is all totally hyping it up.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. What the hell is wrong with us, trash,

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Speaker 2: what is wrong with it? It's just a windy day,

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Speaker 2: like a willing to do it's a windy day.

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Speaker 20: But what has happened to us is that, in fairness

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Speaker 20: to the managers of Cornwall Park, if you are you know,

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Speaker 20: if you're coming under the Health and Safety Act and

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Speaker 20: you and you're deemed to be one of the safety people,

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 20: you are so risk averse these days that you do that,

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Speaker 20: that you take the easy option and you shut.

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Speaker 2: Things like this down.

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Speaker 20: That that is why, because the fear of risk and

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Speaker 20: liability is so big. But it's an absolute nonsense. And

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Speaker 20: I also would just put out a challenge to people

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Speaker 20: that you know, just look outside, assess the weather yourself,

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Speaker 20: make a call on it.

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Speaker 2: It's really not that difficult.

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Speaker 1: I'm told I need a yes or no.

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Speaker 11: Sorry, Joseph, have you've got a brain.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: But one of the consequences of this is that because

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Speaker 21: we're kind of getting the risk matrix back to front now,

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01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 21: because we're so terrified of making a.

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Speaker 12: Mistake like you.

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Speaker 21: We did a report to our board the other day

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Speaker 21: where we said, oh, we put a mat by the

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Speaker 21: left because when it rains people slip a little bit.

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Speaker 21: So we've put a map down and we've laid a

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Speaker 21: cable down and we've put taped it down so no

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Speaker 21: on trips over it and realized at the end of

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Speaker 21: the meeting we've forgotten.

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Speaker 18: To say that.

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Speaker 21: Oh and by the way, Josie was in a tsunami

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Speaker 21: in the Solomon Islands last week. So your whole kind

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Speaker 21: of risk sense of what's really a risk starts to

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Speaker 21: get completely skewed and you forget the things that are

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Speaker 21: actually a real risk, like tsunami.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, I think we might need to shut all of

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Speaker 2: Wellington down because it's quite windy.

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Speaker 6: Well that would have to be permanent.

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Speaker 20: Wun't We've already done that, Heather, I've already done it.

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Speaker 20: There's Augusta when in a drop of rain, Wellington's gone

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Speaker 20: down there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've defintely closed lockdown, lockdown for any wind guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much appreciated, Trishus and Joseph Aganey. I

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Speaker 2: hrdle this evening ate away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 6: This isn't.

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Speaker 2: What's just landed on my desk. But I don't know

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01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: whether to take this seriously or just have a laugh

1350
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: at it. John Key and Helen Clark are going to

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01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: Shooting Ping's military parade. This is the one we were

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01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: telling you about earlier in the show, the one that

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Speaker 2: Poten's going to. And I don't know. Other luminaries like

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Speaker 2: Kim Jong un are going to it, and none of

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Speaker 2: our government ministers are going. But Clarky and Kesey are going.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love that they march to the row drum.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is probably taking is it? Is it

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01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: taking the China love a bit far?

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Speaker 17: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I also think it's quite ironic that the North Korean

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Speaker 2: despot Kim Jong un is attending what is called the

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Speaker 2: World Anti Fascist War. That's so it's World Anti Fascist

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Speaker 2: War and he's there. Anyway, he can have a little

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Speaker 2: think about that. Anyway, Look, we'll ask Chris Bishop about it.

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishops in for Nichola willis with us shortly, so

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Speaker 2: we'll ask him has reckons on this kind of interesting

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01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: and funny development. Oh by the way, thank you to

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Speaker 2: all the people who text me and said if you

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Speaker 2: find yourself color blinded to madness by the spring box

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Speaker 2: all blacks Jersey thing. Just look at the shorts because

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Speaker 2: that's the dead giveaway. The bookies are in the white

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Speaker 2: and all blacks are in the black. That's how you

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Speaker 2: can tell them apart. Okay, good luck with that. Four

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Speaker 2: away from six now here. I am loving the Totenger

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Speaker 2: Retail Crime Unit because of the good work that they do.

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Speaker 2: This is a story that emerged over the weekend that

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Speaker 2: I reckon just shows how good these guys are. So

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Speaker 2: there's a young cop who works there. There's a dedicated team,

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Speaker 2: by the way, if you haven't heard about them, who

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Speaker 2: just deal with retail crime and totdranger. Young copper Zach

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Speaker 2: McKay gets a report of a woman trying to steal

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Speaker 2: more than a thousand dollars worth of goods from Miter ten.

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01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: He's only got one investigative lead, which is her license plate,

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Speaker 2: so he checks it into the database and something jumps out.

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Speaker 2: He sees that she's been going to a lot of

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Speaker 2: retail sites with this particular number plate. So does some

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Speaker 2: proper detective worker, gets in contact with the stores, looks

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Speaker 2: through their CCTV footage and sure enough there she is

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Speaker 2: wandering around the stores filling up her shopping bags, not

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Speaker 2: paying for the items. Name is Amy Ravens. Wood. Shops

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Speaker 2: didn't even know until Zach McKay, the young cop got

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Speaker 2: in contact with them. Shops didn't even know that she'd

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Speaker 2: been stealing from them. She was stealing between September last

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Speaker 2: year February this year. She stole about seven thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: worth of good. She had the New World of Mount

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Speaker 2: Monganui five times, Bunning's Mount Montinue eleven times, came out

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Speaker 2: in Bethlehem four times, had a d tagger in her handbag,

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Speaker 2: you know the thing to take all the taggy noise

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Speaker 2: off to take the stuff out. In the end, faced

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Speaker 2: thirty seven charges thirty five worth for theft and some

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Speaker 2: other stuff. Was sentenced to two years in jail. Unfortunately

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01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: the judge led us down, which is always the case.

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01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: Judge gave her home d because of course the judge did,

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01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: because you know it's a judge, that's what they do.

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Speaker 2: But the coppers awesome work from them. Chris Bishop.

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Speaker 1: Next, we're Business meets Insight the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: Allen and Mas for Trust at Home insurance solutions.

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Speaker 2: Ex News Talk said be even in coming up in

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01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: the next hour the former boss of Mercury Energy on

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01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: why we should cut the carbon price of coal basically

1411
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: and make your power cheaper. And Video's share price fell

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01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: on Friday. Shane Solly will explain why and Gavin Gray

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: will do the UK for us. Right now we have

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Speaker 2: christ Bishop, the Associate Finance Minister in for Nikola willis

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Speaker 2: the Finance minister.

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Speaker 6: Hey bish, good eight, how are i yum?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Did you read about the judge giving the

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Speaker 2: gang patch back to the mongrel old member last week?

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Speaker 6: I've seen the story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do we do about this?

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Speaker 6: Well, ultimately we don't interfere in the courts. The gang

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Speaker 6: patch ban is working really well. I think mostly zellers

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Speaker 6: around the country will have noticed a decline in the

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Speaker 6: number of gang members wearing patches around the traps, which

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Speaker 6: is a good thing. Means less intimidation for people, and

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Speaker 6: you know it's having an effect, so it's working really well.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The problem here, apparently is that the law. You guys

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Speaker 2: were told to write the law so that if the

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Speaker 2: gang patch was confiscated it would be destroyed, so it

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Speaker 2: cannot be handed back. Would you would you consider amending

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Speaker 2: the law.

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Speaker 8: To do that.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure Paul Godsmith and mart Mature are having a

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Speaker 6: reader of the judgment and I'm sure they'll be taking

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Speaker 6: advice on it. I'm not across it, and I'm sure

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Speaker 6: they'll be having a look at it.

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope. So is it true that government departments

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Speaker 2: are going to merge in a big way?

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Speaker 6: The Public Service Commission, Sir Brian Roche and his team

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Speaker 6: there are having a look at a range of changes.

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 6: Some of it's become public around housing and Ministry for

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 6: the Environment and transport and things like that, and they

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01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 6: are looking at a wider range of changes. I think

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Speaker 6: most people agree that we, you know, we can streamline

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Speaker 6: things a bit more and reduce the bureaucracy. You know,

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Speaker 6: we've got a huge number of ministers and a huge

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Speaker 6: number of government departments, and you know we're having a

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Speaker 6: look at that. This is all about making sure public

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 6: services are delivered for New Zealanders in a more effective

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Speaker 6: and cost effective way.

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Speaker 2: Would you support going like a drastic reduction like forty

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Speaker 2: down to twenty.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's wait and see where things get to. I know,

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Speaker 6: Sir Brian and his team are having a look at

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Speaker 6: those things.

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Speaker 2: That's huge at that bush would you be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: no way, would you ever think about that?

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Speaker 6: Maybe, Well, I'm in favor of smaller government. I want

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Speaker 6: to get government. I want to reduce the size of government,

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Speaker 6: and I want the government that we have to be

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Speaker 6: more effective at what it does. So anything that meets

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Speaker 6: those tests, you know, we'll have a good look at.

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Speaker 6: And that's that's not just my position, it's the it's

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Speaker 6: the view of the government as well. So we'll have

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Speaker 6: a look at all of those things. But you've also

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Speaker 6: got to weigh it up against the cost of change.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's there are a lot of public service

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Speaker 6: working for the government right now, and we have a

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Speaker 6: lot of government departments. Every time you merge them together

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Speaker 6: or reduce them or bring them into things, you know,

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Speaker 6: I'm thinking of mb for example, which happened under the

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Speaker 6: last National government, there's a cost change right There's you know,

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Speaker 6: people have got to reapply for jobs, you've got to

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01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 6: hire new managers, you've got rebranding, you've got logos, you know, all.

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Speaker 3: That sort of stuff.

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Speaker 6: So you've got to weigh up we doing all those things,

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Speaker 6: you know, because that's that's all part of it as well.

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Speaker 2: How long is it going to take before we get

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Speaker 2: an answers to what's going to happen here?

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Speaker 6: I would I would say in the next few months.

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Speaker 6: It's this is not a it's like not like a

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Speaker 6: next week type thing, but this is I know, so

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Speaker 6: Brian and the team you're having a look at it,

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Speaker 6: but it's not something that's going to happen probably the

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Speaker 6: side of Christmas, I'd say.

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Speaker 2: West Winston's so weird about talking about foreign buyers.

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Speaker 6: Oh, you'll have to put that to him. I think

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Speaker 6: you see how weird he is. I've seen a hero

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01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 6: story in which he or it might be in his

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01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 6: dom poster actually which he gets. You know, he's a

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01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 6: little bit fired up about a about the issue. But

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Speaker 6: I can understand where he's coming from because what we're

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Speaker 6: doing on the on the on the foreign investment thing

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Speaker 6: that's been announced today is is it doesn't affect the

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Speaker 6: foreign buyer ban at all. I mean, over ninety nine

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Speaker 6: percent of homes are not affected. So what we're saying

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Speaker 6: is if you turn up here and you want to

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Speaker 6: invest five million bucks or more because you're part of

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 6: the Golden Visa, the active investor plus Visa, which has

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Speaker 6: been extraordinarily successful. By the way, I had over a

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Speaker 6: one point five billion dollars worth of investment. So if

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 6: you want to invest here in New Zealand and put

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Speaker 6: money into the country and you know, hire people and everything,

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Speaker 6: we're just.

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Speaker 3: Saying you should be able to buy a house.

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Speaker 6: And we're not saying you buy any house. You can

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01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 6: only buy one five million dollars or more.

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Speaker 2: Talking about this for the last two hours, we're across

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Speaker 2: the detail. But you know, I mean, you're right. I

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Speaker 2: need to talk to Winston about why he's so weird

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01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: about it. I don't want to make you defend him.

1514
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 2: That would just be weird for you. Okay, what are

1515
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,520
Speaker 2: we going to do about the totaling a report extension?

1516
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: What do we change in the law here to make

1517
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Speaker 2: this happen?

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 6: We're going to fix it. There's a bit of a

1519
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 6: stuff up frankly through the process. Now there's a long

1520
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 6: story behind it, which I won't bore you with. We've

1521
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 6: had a judgment, we're going to act and you know,

1522
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 6: we've got legislation coming for the fast tracked supermarket regime

1523
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 6: and there's a whole bunch of residual you know, kind

1524
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 6: of remedial things we're going to do with the fast

1525
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 6: track regime as part of that to improve it. And

1526
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 6: so that's the sort of legislative vehicle. So we're going

1527
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 6: to fix it, acknowledge the problem. It is a problem,

1528
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 6: and we're going to fix it.

1529
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 2: And then when do they get their hearing again because

1530
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: it was supposed to happen today.

1531
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, so that that's we're just gonna We're

1532
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 6: just working our way through that right now. It's not

1533
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 6: an immediate fix. Like we know, Parliament's not even sitting

1534
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 6: this week, for example, so we can't you know, we

1535
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 6: can't fix it this week. We can't fix it next

1536
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 6: week either. There's a bit of a process to go through.

1537
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 6: So it is intensely frustrating. I'm as annoyed by as

1538
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 6: everybody else. You know, sixty percent of exports by value

1539
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 6: go out of the Port of Toronto. They have literally

1540
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 6: ships lining up to get in to get it, get

1541
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 6: stuff out of our porch and our care we throw

1542
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 6: it and everything else. So I'm as frustrated by it

1543
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 6: as anybody else.

1544
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: And we are going to fix it, Okay, yes or no?

1545
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: Are you going to nationalize the thermal generation in this country. No,

1546
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: thank god, we're having a lot.

1547
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 6: We're not doing that, but we are having a look

1548
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 6: at the operation of the ultrucity market. As you know,

1549
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 6: it is not an easy issue. I'll just say that

1550
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 6: it is complicated, and I can just reassure everybody listening

1551
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 6: that we are it is one of our top priorities

1552
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 6: to deliver more secure and affordable energy formula.

1553
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you're not going to nationalize, because that's

1554
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: some kooky stuff we don't need going on in this country.

1555
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: But what I'm also not keen on is that we

1556
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 2: get into another situation like with the supermarkets, where we're

1557
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: faffing around and it's just bitsy bitsy stuff and it

1558
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: really doesn't make a big difference. Are you actually going

1559
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: to do something here.

1560
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 6: We're working our way through that process. So I'm not

1561
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 6: the most so I can't but well, I can't speak

1562
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 6: for him, but I can tell you that we are.

1563
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 6: We've had the you know, we've had We've had a

1564
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 6: number of reports. Actually, there's been an energy Competition task

1565
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 6: Force and all the rest of it. So we're working

1566
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 6: our way through that process and once Cabinet's come to

1567
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 6: a decision. You know it'll be announced.

1568
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 20: Cool.

1569
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 2: Hey, do you think it's weird that Kesey and Clark

1570
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 2: at the China summit?

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 6: Well, that's ultimately over to them. I mean, obviously Helen

1572
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 6: Clark and John Key had you know, with their governments,

1573
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 6: had had good relations. You know, we did the free

1574
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 6: trade deal under the Clark government, which continued on and

1575
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:32,879
Speaker 6: saw huge expenses.

1576
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: You don't because you're not none of you.

1577
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 6: No, No, I'm not. I'm not saying that at all.

1578
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that I think it reflects the historical

1579
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 6: circumstances of their.

1580
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: But if they got invited because they had good relations

1581
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 2: and none of you got invited, that its because you

1582
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 2: haven't got good relations.

1583
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't read it into it like that.

1584
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 6: Ultimately that you know, that's another question for mister Peterson.

1585
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 6: But are you a little bit I'm on the Foreign minister,

1586
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 6: but come on, you're.

1587
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: Just like a little bum that you're not at the

1588
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 2: party that Kim Jong on is at because it might

1589
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: be your only chance to meet him.

1590
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 6: I don't think I'll ever get to meet Kim Jong On.

1591
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh wouldn't it be good?

1592
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 8: Though?

1593
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 6: What upset about.

1594
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: I'd love it all right, listen, did you see what

1595
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 2: Auckland Auckland Transport's doing with the sixty three million dollars

1596
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 2: on road cones and traffic management that they think is fine?

1597
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, they've got their numbers coming down to be fair,

1598
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 6: and it's about five percent of their capital costs. It's

1599
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 6: a bit's a bit higher than the ZTA. We want

1600
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 6: them to get it down Tota ZTA from memory is

1601
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 6: about three point six percent now on.

1602
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: See what I'm bummed out though by is the fact

1603
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: that you've got the new rules right where they don't

1604
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: have to use so many road cones and blah blah.

1605
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: They're not they're basically taking it right to the deadline

1606
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 2: of mid twenty twenty seven. They're not even changing their

1607
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: contracts at the moment.

1608
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1609
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 6: Well, well they're in the process of doing that, and

1610
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 6: i'd encourage them to get on with it sooner. Actually,

1611
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 6: I've just actually I've just seen my notes. Two point

1612
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 6: three percent for temper traffic management for ZTA.

1613
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,480
Speaker 2: Mate's got it down double that. That's outrageous.

1614
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, they're on a journey, they're on a jouney,

1615
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 6: and i'd encourage them to speed it up.

1616
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, are you going to go see the

1617
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 2: Don mcglession movie, because I know you guys are great mates,

1618
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 2: just asking.

1619
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, this is the hilarious thing hither is.

1620
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 6: I am actually quite a fan of Don mcgleshon. I

1621
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 6: know he's not a fan of me.

1622
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: What was that best song?

1623
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 3: Best song?

1624
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 6: I am a fan of Niri from the first album

1625
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 6: Good Choice. I'm also a fan of Jacky's song, which

1626
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 6: is a deep cut from the Last Muffin Boo. It's

1627
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 6: about well exactly. It's a beautiful.

1628
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: I'll hit you with her. Don't fight me, Marsha, don't

1629
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 2: fight at Marsha. It's bigger than the both of us.

1630
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 6: Blam bam blam. Yeah, that's a classic. I mean, and

1631
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 6: Andy is a classic. Obviously Andy sucks.

1632
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 2: You don't like Andy's so emotional one that goes she's

1633
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: been talking to my friends. You know that one on

1634
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 2: in the of Angels the album that's a banger.

1635
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 6: Yes, that's that straight my head. No, she's she's been talking.

1636
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 6: I think there's name of the song.

1637
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 2: You know what I reckon? You and I have to

1638
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: go see it together and invite Donald.

1639
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 6: Look, I am going to go see it. I'm also

1640
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 6: going to go see the Shane Carter movie, which is

1641
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 6: which is just one of big straight jackets. But that's

1642
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 6: the hilarious thing.

1643
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 14: You know.

1644
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 6: Don Don's not a fan of me, but I love

1645
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 6: his music.

1646
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: Probably it's always He probably hates me too, don't worry

1647
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: about it. And I love the ground. The man walks

1648
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 2: on and wants to know if you're going to Snoop

1649
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: Dog on September the twentieth, seeing as you are.

1650
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 6: I'm not a rapper and I'm not a rapping hip

1651
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 6: hop fan. Sorry. Sorry for all the people out there

1652
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 6: who like me and like hippop.

1653
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1654
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 6: I'm not, I'm not. Just can't do it. What do

1655
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 6: you reckon?

1656
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: The little The little crossover is with people who love

1657
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: Chris Bishop and love Snoop Dog.

1658
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 6: The ven diagram. I don't reckon the venn diagram. I

1659
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 6: don't reckon the circles. It's not it's not high. But no,

1660
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 6: I'm not going. But I love guitars. I just I

1661
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 6: just I just there's nothing like electric guitars.

1662
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 17: Now.

1663
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 6: I'm an old fashion guy. They're out of fashion these days.

1664
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: But I love guitars now they're coming back. They're coming back,

1665
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 2: both and guitars bring them back. Baby, Buch that you're

1666
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 2: not calling me babby. Just for the record, bitch, thank

1667
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 2: you so much, appreciate it. Chris Bishop, Associate Finance Minister.

1668
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 3: He's fun.

1669
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: Now, that's what do McGlashan says about him. He goes,

1670
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: oh that Chris Bishop, He's fun. Seventeen past six.

1671
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,800
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1672
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,880
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1673
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,519
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01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,320
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Speaker 2: Heather, I'm a big fan of Chris Bishop and I'm

1677
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 2: also a big fan of Snoop. So there's one for

1678
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: the Venn diagram. Heather, please have more Chris Bishop on

1679
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 2: more often. That was a great interview.

1680
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 6: Do you know what this is?

1681
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: Why we're all starting to say if Luxon got hit

1682
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 2: by a bus, would it be bish? And I think

1683
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 2: the answer is yes. But this is, by the way,

1684
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: just on Winston. This is Winston's got so weird about it.

1685
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 2: If you talk to he's going to do this with Hosking. Tomorrow,

1686
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 2: Hoskins gonna say something about the foreign buyers are gonna

1687
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 2: have No, it's not foreign buyers, it's foreign investors. There's

1688
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 2: a difference. He's given an interview to The Herald and

1689
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 2: he said it's minuscule in the extreme. As you can

1690
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 2: see again, y're not to talk about foreign buyers.

1691
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 14: Now.

1692
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: Who does that sound like?

1693
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: Well, if you've got Lebanese heritage yourself for me, foh, Mike,

1694
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: I say that that.

1695
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: Hey, here's our Bob Getter. Six twenty one, Shane Soley,

1696
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: Harbor Asset Management is with US. Hello Shane, Hello, yaba, Okay,

1697
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: what do you reckon? You look at this this economic

1698
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 2: data out last week. Do you think that we get

1699
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: cuts in the US?

1700
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 22: Yeah? Look in the US, we're on track here there

1701
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 22: are business of inflation data out last week. Doesn't really

1702
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 22: alter the head reserve rate cuts path, but it does

1703
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 22: give them a the more ammunition. The key points that

1704
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 22: came out last week was this thing called the Personal

1705
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 22: Consumption Expendre PCEE. It's the fed's key inflation indicator. Watch

1706
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 22: came out at zero point three for the month for June.

1707
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 22: It's pretty much in line and then we had a

1708
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 22: Michigan consumercy you're going to go who here is the

1709
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 22: keeping was? They're Importantly, they talked about inflation expectations for

1710
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 22: the five to ten year dropping to three and a

1711
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 22: half percent, again still high, but not as high as

1712
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 22: it was. So this is sort of opening the door

1713
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 22: for the Fed to cut by zero point to twenty

1714
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 22: five percent taken into four twenty five to four point

1715
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 22: five this Friday, however, head we have the non farm payrolls,

1716
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 22: but that would be really important as an indicator as

1717
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 22: to how hard the Fed goes.

1718
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 2: Now, what happened to the video share price on Friday?

1719
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 22: Yeah? Interesting one it was our three just out of

1720
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 22: three percent, three point three percent, a little bit of

1721
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 22: a soft result. Last week it was okay, not quite

1722
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 22: as good as people wanted build. Really, what had it

1723
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 22: was a news that Ali Baba, the Chinese tech company,

1724
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 22: has developed a new chip. It's compatible with the videos platform. Indeed,

1725
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 22: if the reports are right, then engineers can repurpose programs

1726
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Speaker 22: they wrote for video chips for use with Alibaba chips,

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01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 22: and then that means it's more competitive for this growing

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 22: demand for artificial intelligence. So yeah, we saw the in

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01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 22: video ship rice, it's come off it's all time high

1730
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 22: of one hundred and eighty three dollars US closed it

1731
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 22: at one hundred and seventy four dollars US, down three

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Speaker 22: point three percent, still forty eight percent high than it

1733
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 22: was a year ago. So a little way to go

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 22: before we're going to have to really get worried about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right now. Chinese economic data came out in

1736
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 2: the last few days as well. Looking at that, what

1737
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 2: are you thinking about our economy?

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01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 22: Well, the key thing was it was okay. It was okay,

1739
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 22: suggesting overall that the broader purchasing manager in this is

1740
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 22: the composite one purchasing manager of dies is a lead

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01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 22: indicator of economic activity, was above fifty. It was at

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01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 22: fifty point five. It's above fifty. It means the economy expanding.

1743
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 22: But the devil was in the detail, the manufacturing part

1744
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 22: of the purchasing managergacy, that was a below fifty. It

1745
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 22: was at forty nine point four and slipped back, so

1746
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 22: it means manufacturers not as positive on growing. That was

1747
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 22: the non manufacturing part that was positive. So good for

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 22: our businesses that are perhaps providing services or things that

1749
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 22: are consumed by you know, service parts of the Chinese

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 22: economy rather than manufacturer, but nonetheless kind of outful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff, Shane. Always good to talk to you.

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01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,839
Speaker 2: Talk to you next week. Shane Sally Harbor Asset Management

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Speaker 2: six twenty.

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01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 3: Four croaging the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dup c Allen with the Business Hour and

1756
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: MAZ for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be Fraser Winner, a former Mercury Energy chief executive,

1758
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 2: reckons we need to cut the carbon price on cold

1759
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. The Green Party freaks out. He's going

1760
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: to expect this is basically to bring our power prices down.

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01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 2: He's got a very good point here and he's going

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: to be with us and talk us through that. Shortly.

1763
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 2: Got the show biz news for you. He's got children

1764
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: in the car. Maybe distrack them really quickly so they

1765
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 2: don't hear this. I'm not going to say anything rude,

1766
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 2: but because they're going to lose their minds. Disneyland in

1767
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 2: Paris has just announced they're going to be opening an

1768
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: entire land dedicated to Frozen. The land will include a

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 2: new boat right ride, a full scale recreation of Arundel whatever.

1770
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't know Arundell, that's the fictional city in the movies.

1771
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 2: The centerpiece will blow you away. They've made a replica

1772
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 2: of Elsa's gigantic ice castle right in the middle of

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01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: the land.

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01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 3: When it is high and.

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01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 2: Scale, the ice powers made out of.

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01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 11: More than thirty pieces.

1777
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 2: Who for sure become a vita at the gas Wal

1778
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 2: touris as they approached.

1779
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 3: This new or Mercenaria.

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01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: And also you're gonna you're gonna be able to visit

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01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: sooner than you think, first half of next year. So

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01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 2: the school, Hollybob's right up at the start. Yay, I

1783
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 2: know the movies are bad enough. I've never watched a

1784
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 2: movie I have. I have a boy child, so I

1785
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 2: haven't had to deal with this just yet, but I

1786
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: because I will. Obviously, I don't mind what he watches.

1787
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 2: If he wants to watch a girl things he's allowed.

1788
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: Don't worry. I'm not one of those.

1789
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 3: Now.

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: Did you see the cap snatching over the weekend at

1791
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: the tennis Did you see it? While the guy's been identified,

1792
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: he's the chief executive of a Polish paving company called

1793
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 2: Drogbrook and his name is Puot she Sharak doesn't mean

1794
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 2: anything to us but the point is simply, we now

1795
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 2: know who that guy was, and he's a millionaire and

1796
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 2: as a result, he is coppying it online like he

1797
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 2: should because a millionaire stole a cap from a kid

1798
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 2: that a tennis player was trying to give to the kid.

1799
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,560
Speaker 2: And the lesson in this is don't behave like a

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01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 2: dick in public because someone's filming it all the time. Coldplay,

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01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: couple right.

1802
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Speaker 3: News is next, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

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01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen

1804
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: and has for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions.

1805
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 3: He's talks.

1806
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 6: Pether.

1807
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: Did IM miss Jamie McKay in your program this afternoon,

1808
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: because I absolutely love his early Saturday morning show, But

1809
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 2: I worked a bit later today and I hope he

1810
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 2: was stoked with the Southland Stags ran fully shield over

1811
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 2: the weekend way, No, he does Tuesdays and Thursdays. But

1812
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: let me tell you that has who lives in the

1813
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: same house as me, was stoked with the Southland Stags

1814
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 2: ran fairly shield wind because when it was large, like

1815
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: was it nineteen ninety one or something like that, there

1816
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 2: was a long time I don't know two thousand. Maybe

1817
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: I made that up, might have been twenty eleven, might

1818
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 2: have been a lot more recent, but it was a

1819
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: long time between drinks. So every Southlander is suddenly thrilled.

1820
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray is going to be with us shortly. It

1821
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 2: turns out that the Queen, as in Queen Camilla, was

1822
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:29,560
Speaker 2: the victim of a groping incident on the Tube some

1823
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 2: years ago when she was very young, and she fought

1824
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: the guy off. So anyway, he'll talk us through the

1825
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 2: detail winnings with us right now. It's twenty three away from.

1826
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 3: Seven heather Sea a moment.

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,560
Speaker 2: Obviously, we're trying to figure out how to fix the

1828
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: electricity sector and we're getting a lot of ideas, and

1829
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 2: one of them is from the former boss of Mercury Energy,

1830
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: who says that we need to drop the carbon price

1831
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 2: that we put on coal through the ETS to bring

1832
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 2: our power prices down. His Fraser Winner and he's with

1833
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 2: us now, High Fraser, Hi, Heather, So do you reckon

1834
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 2: you charge coal the same as you charge gas?

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01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 16: Yeah, that was one of four things I laid out

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01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 16: in an article I did recently, because at the moment

1837
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 16: what we have is an unfortunate intersection between the ETS

1838
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 16: and the spot market and the electricity. Now, the point

1839
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 16: of the ETS is to is to then incentivize using

1840
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 16: lower greenhouse gase alternatives. But there isn't an alternative for

1841
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 16: hydro insurance and the electricity system for a South Island drought.

1842
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: So you can only use coal.

1843
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 6: Now because of gas market shot.

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01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 16: So unfortunately, that high price of carbon then flows through

1845
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 16: to a price of turning on the coal plant, which

1846
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 16: then flows through to everyone's power prices when there's no

1847
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 16: alternative to enter into.

1848
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 2: So because we've got no because we're running out of gas,

1849
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: we've only got coal, therefore charged coal lower. But if

1850
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 2: we were charging so just tell me the difference between

1851
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 2: between the two of them. What does coal get charged

1852
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 2: at and what does gas get charged at?

1853
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 16: So, if you're making a decision to turn on the

1854
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 16: coal power station, there a huntly one dollar a ton

1855
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 16: of carbon equals a dollar per mega what are So

1856
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 16: carbon's now priced at about sixty five dollars, so that

1857
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 16: lifts the price at which you'd offer that power in

1858
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 16: it huntly by sixty five dollars per megawatt hour, which

1859
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 16: is a huge amount if you if you're running a

1860
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 16: large gas fired power station, which is not many left now,

1861
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 16: but that would be a third of that. So that

1862
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,799
Speaker 16: means about forty five dollars per megawatt hour is simply

1863
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 16: the insurance cost of coal.

1864
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 3: Now we don't use much coal in New Zealand.

1865
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 16: It's down to single digits thanks to go thermal and

1866
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 16: now wind because it's pushed GFIM was a baseload and

1867
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 16: it's just pushed the Huntly power station off the stack

1868
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 16: from the two thousands, right, and so now what we

1869
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 16: just need it for is South Island hydro insurance and

1870
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 16: there is nothing else. No, you'd need three hundred and

1871
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 16: fifty million power walls or something like that to be

1872
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 16: able to do the hydro insurance in the South Island.

1873
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 16: That's why coal is the only one.

1874
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 12: To do it.

1875
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: So what would it bring our prices down by?

1876
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 16: Well, I don't know that all will have to flow

1877
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 16: through the market. But I've been on both sides of this.

1878
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 16: I've I've run Mercury, so I've sold made built power

1879
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 16: stations and being involved with that, and I've been the

1880
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 16: COO of Fonterra was the second or fourth largest user

1881
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 16: of electricity and a whole bunch of other energy as well,

1882
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 16: so I've been on both sides of the market my view,

1883
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 16: and having looked at that spot electricity market and rainfall

1884
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 16: patterns for twelve years when I was at Mercury, I

1885
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 16: think it'd probably bring it down by tens of dollars

1886
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 16: per mega. What are on that insurance cost which flows

1887
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 16: through to the future's curve. Everything prices off the futures curve.

1888
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: Right, If this is the kind of perverse effect that

1889
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 2: the ETS is having, then should we not just get

1890
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: rid of the ETS altogether?

1891
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 16: Well, I think the ETS has its has its own

1892
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 16: origins in place. It's just what we've got at the

1893
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 16: moment is an unfortunate intersection of the two. We didn't

1894
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 16: used to have this because gas would be able to

1895
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 16: come along and compete with coal, but now gas isn't

1896
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 16: able to do that, so we've only got one one

1897
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 16: thing that can do this, insurance, And so it's just

1898
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 16: a perverse incentive that's come together by the ETES and

1899
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 16: the spot electricity market and intersecting here. So if we

1900
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 16: just look at the unique drivers of that, then I

1901
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 16: think we can make it work and keep both markets intact.

1902
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 16: If that's what politically people want to do.

1903
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 2: Listen. I'm sure you've been following this business, the rumors

1904
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: around the Frontier Report, which apparently recommends that the government

1905
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 2: nationalizes thermal generation. Would you do that?

1906
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't think that's needed. I think the discipline

1907
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 16: I went right through six years before Mighty River Power

1908
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 16: was listed and then where I was running operations and

1909
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 16: sixties afterwards where I was chief executive, and I can

1910
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 16: tell you the impact of being having the disciplines of

1911
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 16: the capital markets on performance is and just doing good

1912
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 16: business is phenomenal. So I think it still needs to

1913
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 16: It can stay in private hands, but I do think

1914
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 16: we need to make it a bit easier for thermal

1915
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 16: plant like that to run. At the moment, you try

1916
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 16: building a coal fired POWERstation, try getting a gas, getting

1917
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 16: some more gas.

1918
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 15: Things like that.

1919
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 16: The RMA and the planning rules make it very hard.

1920
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 16: So then what happens is you say, why isn't the

1921
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 16: market working? Well, actually, I think it's the beehive because

1922
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 16: you've taken away coal gas, You've made consenting renewables and

1923
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 16: everything else extremely hard. And we're still saying, well, why

1924
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 16: why is the market struggling to deal with the winter? Well,

1925
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 16: actually it's because of the rules that sit around the market,

1926
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 16: not the market.

1927
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: Read tape strikes again. Hey, thank you Fraser, it's been

1928
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: wonderful to talk to you. I really appreciate your time.

1929
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: That's Fraser winter Row, former Mercury Energy chief executive form

1930
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 2: of Finterror COO. And if you want to read the

1931
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 2: piece that he wrote, it is up on the Herald.

1932
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 2: You'll have to do a little bit of search. It

1933
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:32,600
Speaker 2: was there last week, so just go and have a

1934
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 2: look at it. And he explains everything. And they're eighteen

1935
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 2: away from seven.

1936
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 3: Heather Doper Cee Allen here that.

1937
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 2: There's absolutely no need for the ETS needs to be scrapped.

1938
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: Of course it needs to be scrapped, doesn't it. I mean, like,

1939
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 2: come on, if you're now starting to price coal at

1940
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 2: the gap price of gas, and then you're given carve

1941
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 2: outs to various industries, you're not including various sectors and

1942
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 2: certain businesses are paying kind of discount where there's full

1943
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 2: of holes, isn't it just get rid of the thing.

1944
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 2: What's the point this is? Because this is what this

1945
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 2: is the thing that you don't like, really, hands up?

1946
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 2: Who wants to protect the climate more than warm up

1947
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 2: your house? I just because that's the choice that it

1948
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 2: has given us. Right, It's like, sorry, like there are

1949
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: old people in this country now who do not turn

1950
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 2: the heaters on because we are trying to, because we've

1951
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: made it so expensive, because we're trying to fight the

1952
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,879
Speaker 2: climate change. I mean, I just think that our priorities

1953
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 2: are completely out of whack. Anyway, remember what I told

1954
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 2: you last week. You know what's happening tomorrow. The act

1955
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 2: Party is announcing their position on the Paris Agreement that

1956
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Speaker 2: I am here for that. I'm clearing my diary. I'm clear.

1957
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 2: Was it what, beaty? What time is it at ten am? Oh,

1958
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 2: don't even talk to me. It don't even phone me

1959
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 2: at ten am. I'm going to be tuned into that.

1960
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to decline all the calls.

1961
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Speaker 12: This is.

1962
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Speaker 2: I'm here for this because it's about time that we

1963
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: start getting real about the climate. Now, just a quick

1964
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 2: update on the Smeak thing, because yesterday was the last

1965
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 2: day of the New World' Smeak. I know you've still

1966
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 2: got the stickers in your drawer in the kitchen, haven't you,

1967
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: And you forgot to claim them. Sorry it was yesterday,

1968
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 2: but they didn't have anything anyway, But they didn't Wellington,

1969
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 2: which is amazing. Thorndon Newell posted very early this morning

1970
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 2: for some reason that they had the last of the

1971
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 2: cast iron Braisers and the medium Bakers, so people had

1972
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Speaker 2: to come in and redeem theirs now, so they posted

1973
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 2: that first thing morning. By ten thirty, the cast Iron

1974
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,759
Speaker 2: Braisers had sold out. A reporter went there from Parliament

1975
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Speaker 2: because you know, they don't have a lot to do

1976
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 2: in recess, they just sit around. So the reporter headed

1977
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Speaker 2: over there and said that the shoppers were lining up

1978
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Speaker 2: behind the New World staff member as he was unpacking

1979
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 2: a box of smeag products at the checkout, because that's

1980
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 2: what you want with your life. Ah, when you pull

1981
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 2: out a box and you start unpacking it and you

1982
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 2: just want a line of people there standing and waiting

1983
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 2: and watching you. Honestly, that must have been the pits

1984
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Speaker 2: of his life. Right then. Almost every second customer at

1985
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 2: the shop had one of the Smeg products apparently, and

1986
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: it wasn't just the brazer that sold out, it was

1987
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Speaker 2: also the large bakers and the Smeg many cock cots,

1988
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:56,560
Speaker 2: Pty got haa cock coots. Cock cots is something that

1989
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 2: you do. It's Scott not a big cook. Not a

1990
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,640
Speaker 2: big baker, don't know what is. It's a thing quarter to.

1991
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Speaker 3: Everything FROMMS to the big corporates.

1992
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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Hither Dup c Ellen and MES

1993
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talks ENV.

1994
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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, well when I was about

1995
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 2: twenty years younger than I am right now, there was

1996
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 2: a character in Wellington called Don McDonald, who is still

1997
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 2: in Wellington, came up with a fascinating idea which I'm

1998
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 2: going to run you through before the end of this program.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen away from seven and Gavin Gray UK correspondents with us. Hello, Gevin,

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01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,839
Speaker 2: Hi there right, So what are these rules around migrants

2001
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 2: that we're expecting now, Heather?

2002
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 13: It just seems, doesn't it. Every week the government is

2003
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 13: coming out with a new announcement. They're definitely feeling the

2004
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 13: upstart party of Reform UK breathing down their throats and

2005
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 13: they're definitely beginning to sense that migration is going to

2006
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 13: be a key topic whenever the next general election comes.

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Speaker 13: So today the government is going to announce that they

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Speaker 13: are going to tighten the criteria for family members to

2009
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Speaker 13: join any migrant granted asylum. This is something incidentally, which

2010
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Speaker 13: Reform UK has been talking about for some time that

2011
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 13: the that the details are just two lacks, so it's

2012
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Speaker 13: quite likely that they're going to toughen up those criteria,

2013
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Speaker 13: including tougher English language standards and access to sufficient funds

2014
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Speaker 13: and also outline reform.

2015
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Speaker 2: Given. Are you with us?

2016
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Speaker 8: You are reasons?

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Speaker 2: Carry on?

2018
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Speaker 3: Just that's right.

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Speaker 12: So sometimes these reform.

2020
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Speaker 13: Simples to the asylum application decisions are pretty odd.

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01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry to do this, but your line is

2022
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: so dodgy, and do you want to see if you

2023
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: can fix this quickly for us? Just there's some There

2024
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 2: was definitely the robots getting involved, there wasn't it, hey

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01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 2: quickly while he's while we're just trying to fix that

2026
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 2: up really quickly. What about this one? There's a chap

2027
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 2: in Australia album specifically who was looking for his misplaced

2028
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 2: passport at home. He found his passport eventually, but who

2029
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 2: also found a whole bunch of lotto tickets when he

2030
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Speaker 2: found his passport. So he took them down, as you

2031
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Speaker 2: always should do when you find a whole bunch of

2032
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 2: lotter tickets, got them all scanned. One of them was

2033
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 2: worth Australia one million dollars. Bought it for drawl draw

2034
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Speaker 2: in December twenty seven last year. Two hundred and forty

2035
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Speaker 2: four days later he cashed it in one million bucks.

2036
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 2: Find your ticket, go and scan it. Gaven to you

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Speaker 2: with us again.

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Speaker 13: I am indeed, I hope that's better having oh so

2039
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 13: much better.

2040
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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing that, Kevin. Listen, So what happened

2041
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 2: with Queen Camilla?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so we now are being told, according to a

2043
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Speaker 13: new role book that's come out, not being denied incidentally

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Speaker 13: by any of the Riyals, that Queen Camilla was the

2045
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Speaker 13: victim of an attempted indecent assault as a teenager. She

2046
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 13: fought off her attacker using the heel of her shoe.

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Speaker 13: It's being reported now this was when the Queen was

2048
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Speaker 13: sixteen or seventeen years old, and it happened on a

2049
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 13: train in the way to pay Addington station in the

2050
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 13: west of London. The man is reported to have been

2051
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 13: touching the teenager and then then as Camilla shanned when

2052
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 13: she simply took her shoe off and hit it with him.

2053
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Speaker 13: We have never had this confirm from her, and it

2054
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Speaker 13: said that she doesn't want to make a big thing

2055
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 13: of it because she doesn't want a tract from some

2056
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Speaker 13: of the work that she does around domestic violence, and

2057
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 13: you know, saying that she wasn't really a victim sort

2058
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 13: of thing. But yeah, first time we'd ever heard this

2059
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 13: story come out. It's reported that she first told Boris

2060
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 13: Johnson when he was Mayor of London about it. It's

2061
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 13: sort of kept quiet and then it's sort of surfaced

2062
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 13: in this new book.

2063
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Speaker 2: But what I mean this seems to me the kind

2064
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 2: of thing that this humanizes a royal and it also

2065
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 2: you know, empowers women, So why would they keep it secret?

2066
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 13: Yeah, I just think it's that thing about this isn't

2067
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 13: about me. It's not about my personal past because I'm

2068
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 13: very privileged. It's about other people. And she feels very

2069
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 13: strongly about the support being needed for domestic violence victims.

2070
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 13: And I suppose by talking about this herself, You're right,

2071
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,679
Speaker 13: it's a double edged sword. What people think, Oh, she's

2072
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 13: always on about herself, poor Camello. You know, we'll hardly

2073
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 13: poor Camello and others will think, well, yeah, there we go.

2074
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 13: It just goes to show that she's been attacked as well,

2075
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 13: and certainly I think they will help the royal family

2076
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 13: will hope that this kind of story does actually destigmatize

2077
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,600
Speaker 13: past help for too many young girls suffering things that

2078
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 13: they did a few years ago.

2079
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, a very good point that you make, Gevin. Thank you,

2080
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 2: thank you for that and thanks for coming back on

2081
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 2: the line for us. It's Kevin Grauer, UK correspondent. Hither

2082
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 2: I would choose not to heat my house if it

2083
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 2: made a meaningful difference to climate change, but it doesn't.

2084
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 2: So the heating is on. Good from you. Eight away

2085
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,480
Speaker 2: from seven it's the hitherto.

2086
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Per Se Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

2087
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2088
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 2: Here the Paris Agreement is a big con and away

2089
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 2: of poorer countries to fraudulently get money from so called

2090
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 2: richer countries. Trump. Trump was right to get out of it,

2091
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 2: Trevor Now. I don't have a lot to say about

2092
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 2: Trevor's text other than Trump was right to get out

2093
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 2: of it, and hopefully we do the same thing now.

2094
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 2: Don McDonald. Donald McDonald is a bit of a character

2095
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 2: in Wellington. When I was growing up there. Well, when

2096
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 2: I was growing what am I talking about? I was

2097
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 2: in my twenties, I was working for TV and said

2098
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,560
Speaker 2: I was on Telly. I wasn't growing up when I

2099
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 2: was working for TV and Z and Wellington, Donald would

2100
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 2: invariably call after six o'clock to tell us what he

2101
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:22,440
Speaker 2: thought about the bulletin, and it was always an interesting conversation.

2102
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 2: Donald is running for mayor for the third time and

2103
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 2: he's come up with an interesting idea that he has

2104
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 2: pitched out there. So what he wants is that every month.

2105
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,839
Speaker 2: I mean, this is big stuff. Donal Donald is expanding

2106
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 2: the remit of the Wellington mayor here. He would like

2107
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 2: every month, he would like to rewrite our calendar. He

2108
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 2: would like every month of the year to have five weeks,

2109
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Speaker 2: and then he would like to get rid of Thursdays

2110
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 2: so that every week we'll only have six days. Now

2111
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 2: there will be a reason for this mathematically that Donna

2112
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 2: has worked out that six days five days a week,

2113
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 2: because then you get thirty day months, right, so you

2114
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 2: see what it is, and then every month is thirty days.

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01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 2: It's like a lot more ordered because he doesn't like

2116
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 2: disorder anyway. They've gone to Diane Calvert, who's also running

2117
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Speaker 2: for me, and asked you and she was like, yeah,

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01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 2: I'm down with that because thursdays of the day that

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01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 2: the council meets, so I'm happy to get rid of it,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was good call from her. However, because

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01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 2: I'm not on Wellington Council, if I had to get

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01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 2: rid of a day of the week, it would be

2123
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,679
Speaker 2: a Wednesday, wouldn't it, because that's hump Day and everybody

2124
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:20,719
Speaker 2: hates it, don't they ants?

2125
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 15: Monday? Absolutely, Monday would go.

2126
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 6: It would go.

2127
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 15: I would not even miss it. I think the first

2128
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,560
Speaker 15: day back after the weekend always sucks, and Monday's the

2129
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 15: first day back after the weekend.

2130
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:29,799
Speaker 2: I still have to come back on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 15: It was still still yeah, I know, but at least

2132
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 15: it wouldn't be Monday. You know, at least you're still

2133
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 15: like three days close to the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 2: I just think it makes it easier. What have you got?

2136
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Speaker 15: Night e by the Mutton Birds to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 15: As we found out from the Associate Finance Minister Chris

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Speaker 15: Bishop today, this is his favorite song by Don McGlashan.

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01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 15: Don't know how Don McGlashan will feel about that, given

2140
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 15: that Don McGlashan had to interrupt Chris Busship when Chris

2141
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,879
Speaker 15: Biship was talking loudly during the stan Walker performance.

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Speaker 2: But there you go, Okay, let's see if it's a banger.

2143
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Speaker 12: Go on, pumped up.

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01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's a banger.

2145
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 3: What do you think?

2146
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 15: He said his main thing was guitar, stras he loves guitar,

2147
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,440
Speaker 15: and then basic drums and basic right, and those drums.

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01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 8: Just then were brilliant, So yeah, absolutely, I think he's right.

2149
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Speaker 2: It is actually very veryiant, So I like it all right,

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow, enjoy the Musties.

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duke less Alan Drive, listen live

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