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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 3: Us folk said, b Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Coming up today, we're going to talk to the Commos

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Speaker 3: Comission about the credit card fees. Also ran A Park

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Speaker 3: will respond to the allegations, and Greg Smith on the

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Speaker 3: warehouse takeover. Often now that we have the details, Heather

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Speaker 3: Duplic l oh, yeah, on those credit card fees out.

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Speaker 3: I'm here for the Commerce Commission having a crack at

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Speaker 3: the credit card companies because, frankly, the surch charges they

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Speaker 3: impose on payWave are too high, aren't they. It's ridiculous

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Speaker 3: how much you have to pay just for the privilege

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Speaker 3: of being able to tap your card. Apparently the average

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Speaker 3: is something like two point five percent. That's on top

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Speaker 3: of the bill, right, So whatever you're paying, you get

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Speaker 3: another two point five percent on that. That is four

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Speaker 3: times four times what the Commos Commission wants it to beat,

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Speaker 3: which is zero point seven percent on principle. I don't

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Speaker 3: know the last I honestly don't know the last time

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Speaker 3: that I tapped my little payWave thing when there was

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Speaker 3: a surcharger. Do not do it on principle, because I

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Speaker 3: don't know how the credit card companies can justify charging

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Speaker 3: me that if I put my card in, I don't

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Speaker 3: pay multiple dollars? Why Why would? Why would? Why? Why

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Speaker 3: is that the case? The technology cannot seriously cost me

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Speaker 3: What I really object to though, so I'm going to

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Speaker 3: But what I really object to is when you don't

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Speaker 3: have the choice. This does crop up quite a lot.

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Speaker 3: And the most obvious example of this is when you're

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Speaker 3: paying for parking. Right, you go and pay for parking

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Speaker 3: option fifty cents. Now, fifty cents is not going to

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Speaker 3: fifty cents for me is nothing? But you do it

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Speaker 3: that they didn't have and that they can't justify taking.

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Speaker 3: But they are just made for thousand dollars of US.

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Speaker 3: And if you're paying, think about it like this, for

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Speaker 3: your card. That's thirty five times what it should be.

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Speaker 3: That's a ripoff. How can you justify that? In a year?

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Speaker 3: Apparently just being able to tap your card is costing

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Speaker 3: us in New Zealand, just New Zealand a billion dollars

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Speaker 3: a year. Now, the Commas Commission reckons that could come

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Speaker 3: I'd like to see it come down further. So what

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Speaker 3: the Commus Commission has done is basically it's taken the

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Speaker 3: first step towards capping what Master Card and Visa can

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Speaker 3: the Commons Commission's done is they've started a round of consultation.

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Speaker 3: If master Card and Visa do not change things voluntarily,

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Speaker 3: then it's going to be regulation coming at them. And frankly,

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Speaker 3: talk to the ComCom after five. Now is the cost

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Speaker 3: modern age? Apparently seventy percent of us here in New

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Speaker 3: are getting harder. This is according to new research from Kiwibank,

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Speaker 3: and as a result, Keiwibank has decided to make it

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Speaker 3: is the Keywibank Chief people officer with us. Now, Hey, Charlotte, Hello,

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, You're more than welcome. Are you surprised by the finding?

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Speaker 4: To be honest, I'm not too surprised. It's really similar

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Speaker 3: So what is it that they say is so hard

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Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things is and in the research,

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Speaker 4: And we know from praises like the motherhood Penalty that

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Speaker 3: So when we talk about a financial penalty, and when

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Speaker 3: the parent who chooses to take the paternity or maternity

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Speaker 4: Often, yes, but I think that that's one of the

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Speaker 3: Is there another penalty? I mean, because that's the only

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean there's an immediate penalty when people take

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Speaker 4: primary caregiver. You're right in terms of the way that

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Speaker 4: we've set it up at the moment. Then it's those

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Speaker 3: And so what are you doing to remedy this?

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Speaker 4: So at Kimibank, from both through the results of the

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Speaker 4: we savor while people are off. But also some of

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's noble what you guys are doing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously six months paternity leavers is great. It's

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Speaker 3: not every business offers that, but this does feel a

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Speaker 3: little just a little bit wingy. I mean some of

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Speaker 3: one third thirty seven percent of kiwis have self selected

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Speaker 3: not going to apply for role as a journalist in Afghanistan?

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Speaker 3: Am I because I'm a parent? That's just life? Why

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Speaker 4: Part of it, part of it? I'm not sure it's winging.

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Speaker 4: I probably challenged that a little bit. I mean, don't

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Speaker 3: How are you going to make Afghanistan better for me

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Speaker 4: And there will be some things that are not appropriate,

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Speaker 4: but actually something we can make smaller doments that would

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Speaker 4: I'll come in a little bit later after school drop off,

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Speaker 4: You know, those are the small You know, flexibility might

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Speaker 4: just a mindset change rather than a big cost to enough.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Charlott, thank you think we can all do right? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: twenty six weeks eternity leave and maternity leave. What a

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Speaker 3: good idea for everybody. Not that I'm talking to anybody

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Speaker 3: the Chief People Officer of Care. We bank very good

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Speaker 3: the twenty four hours after Joe Biden pulled out. Now,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he can string a sentence together, which you

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Speaker 3: can't say about everybody on the Democratic Tacker Kenya sixteen

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Speaker 5: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither Duper c

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Speaker 5: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for

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Speaker 3: It'd be Darlene Tanner. That woman has got balls. She's

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Speaker 3: back in the house. She has just spoken to the

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Speaker 3: through that very shortly. Right now, it's nineteen past four.

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Speaker 3: Darcy Waldergrave sports talk hosters with me. Now, Hey Darce, Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: welcome back, Thank you very much. So the Warrior Squad's

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Speaker 3: going to be announced. Who cares they're out of the

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Speaker 3: top eight. I don't care anymore.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, well, the run's not great. They've got Wes

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Speaker 6: Tiger's coming up this weekend on Friday night. That's thirteen.

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Speaker 6: The Eels are sixteen, so it might be two ones on.

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Speaker 6: It have been terrible against teams outside of the eighth

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Speaker 6: this year. Then their home run is the Dolphins seven

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Speaker 6: Seagles five, Dogs six, Sharks three and then a bye.

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Speaker 6: Yeah points from the bar, that teetering zone between must

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Speaker 6: win and mathematical chants. And I spoke of this last week.

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Speaker 6: There's a chance Jawn Johnson might be back when that

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Speaker 6: team comes out. There is a chance that Zion might

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Speaker 6: be back. However, Uppy Coros might be back for the Tigers.

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Speaker 6: I'm done wats the least yet with a head not

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Speaker 6: may or may not not sure, but I think the

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Speaker 6: best thing from the Warrior's point of view is the

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Speaker 6: If someone maybe described my partner as feral, I might

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Speaker 6: It's not anyone. And if you don't like comments and

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Speaker 3: Dad joke. I don't get it. I don't get I

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Speaker 1: Hard Questions, Strong Opinion ever duper see Allan Drive with

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Speaker 3: Right, Darlene Tanner. By the way, it's coming up twenty

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Speaker 7: I'm here now and doing the mahte, and you don't

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Speaker 8: You're here to stay.

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Speaker 7: I'm here now and doing the mahey for as long

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Speaker 9: Around, for as long as the Green Party allows you.

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Speaker 9: Are you saying you will be here until they the

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Speaker 7: That, well kaata to Timana. And I've already explained there

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Speaker 8: You're not in touch with them at all.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know about you, but I've appreciated all

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Speaker 7: We've spent so much money, wasting taxpayers hard earned money

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Speaker 7: for better or for worse. Thank you very much. I

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Speaker 3: Surprisingly conservative from a green party and p isn't it better?

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Speaker 3: You want to take maternity leave by all means, ladies

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Speaker 5: Next, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper

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Speaker 5: c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

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Speaker 5: and used talk said be we were driving in your car.

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Speaker 1: Speed's a fast fill.

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Speaker 3: Dr Peter used the R word in parliament. So he's

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Speaker 3: going to be in trouble, isn't he with a certain sector.

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Speaker 3: So Jason Walls, political editor will be at us in

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Speaker 3: Plus also Darlene coming back to the House, Grant McCullum

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Speaker 3: about that. Heather, you are touching on a very sensitive subject.

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Speaker 3: I always find it interesting when a woman who is,

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Speaker 3: as having had a good career. Very good point. Twenty

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: US Vice President Karmala Harris has hit the campaign trail

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Speaker 3: Her first stop was a speech to hype up the

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Speaker 10: And so we have one hundred and six days until

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Speaker 10: to the American people, and we are going to win.

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Speaker 3: And Joe Biden phoned in to offer his support.

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Speaker 11: I know you're still there.

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Speaker 4: Are You're not going anywhere, Joe, I love you.

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Speaker 12: J.

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Speaker 13: Puke.

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Speaker 3: Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheetle has been torn to shreds

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Speaker 3: at a US congressional hearing. Representatives have given her a

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Speaker 3: grilling over failing to prevent the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 14: You're full of shit today. You're just being completely dishonest.

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Speaker 14: These are important questions that the American people want answers to,

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Speaker 14: and you're just you're just dodging and talking around it

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Speaker 14: in generalities.

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Speaker 15: I believe you're horrifying an aptitude in Your lack of

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Speaker 15: skilled leadership is a disgrace. Your OBUs skating today is

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Speaker 15: shameful and you should be fired immediately and go back

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Speaker 15: to garden Doritos, which telling I you're back.

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Speaker 3: And finally, some sharks off the coast of Brabel at

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Speaker 3: Brazil have become coke fins. It turns out the marine

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Speaker 3: biologists have been studying them have found thirteen of them

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Speaker 3: on to some human drug users, untreated sewage just draining

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Speaker 5: International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 5: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old does a correspondence with us.

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Speaker 16: He mus, very good afternoon, do you have it?

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Speaker 17: I mus?

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Speaker 3: Have we got a second person now charged with that

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Speaker 3: hit and run murder, Yes we do.

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Speaker 16: It's a man and police say this is a case

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Speaker 16: of domestic violence. Extremely distressing story. This last Friday morning,

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Speaker 16: young mum twenty three years old just dropped her daughter

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Speaker 16: she was deliberately run down by a twenty four year

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Speaker 16: She'd been loitering around outside the center and the allegation

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Speaker 16: this was a matter of domestic violence. And now a

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Speaker 16: as well. The accused man and the victim weren't known

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Speaker 3: Must so, these stolen medical records have been sold on

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Speaker 3: the dark web for how much, well we don't.

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Speaker 16: Know exactly how much. Apparently they were offered for sale

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Speaker 16: for fifty thousand dollars. Mainly that these things often offered

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Speaker 16: in US dollars for sale. I know nothing about this

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Speaker 16: I have enough trouble with the standard web, never mind

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Speaker 16: the dark Web. But the fact is, the medical records

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Speaker 3: Back in May.

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Speaker 16: It was the information hacked from an outfit called many Secure,

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Speaker 16: phone numbers, the drugs people are on and so on,

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Speaker 16: why they've been prescribed as well. And experts, as I say,

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Speaker 16: they're over here now saying that it's pretty clear this

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Speaker 16: material has been sold already, and they say fifty thousand

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Speaker 16: dollars was the original asking price, and the trove of information,

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Speaker 16: we understand is now being sold for a second time,

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Speaker 16: but it's only half priced twenty five thousand dollars. I'm

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Speaker 16: not sure what value attaches to this information. I mean,

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Speaker 16: I don't know what they can use the data for,

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Speaker 16: but I suppose there would be people who are into

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Speaker 16: data who would love to get their hands on names,

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Speaker 16: addresses and phone numbers.

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Speaker 18: And so on.

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Speaker 16: So you know, how you protect against this sort of stuff?

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Speaker 18: We don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Do you know, maybe what

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Speaker 3: they do with it. Mars is that they if I've

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Speaker 3: got enough of your stuff, they can hacken to your

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Speaker 3: stuff and then see if you've got dirty pictures on

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Speaker 3: your phone, and then a really backmail. It seems like

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Speaker 3: a lot of work. Don't you feel like I just

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Speaker 3: probably would get a job? What do you think that's

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Speaker 3: a very good idea?

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Speaker 19: Here?

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Speaker 3: Listen, tell me is this AI version of Stephen Miles

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Speaker 3: at all convincing?

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Speaker 16: Well, mate, I reckon he's the most wooden politician in Australia.

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Speaker 16: You could put forty thousand volts to the bloke and

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Speaker 16: I don't think it'd get excited. But here he is

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Speaker 16: tiktoking away dancing and apparently it's been created by artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 16: He is furious. Stephen Miles is furious, very unhappy, and

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Speaker 16: he's been targeted by the state opposition with this artificial

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Speaker 16: intelligence fake video of him dancing. Okay, he says, it's

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Speaker 16: where's the quote?

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Speaker 17: Here?

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Speaker 16: The fake video response? He says, now I can't even

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Speaker 16: read my notes. He says, it's outrageous. It's a poor,

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Speaker 16: disgusting I beg your pardon. I've just found the quote.

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Speaker 16: It's appalling and disgusting, says miles are the opposition stooped

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Speaker 16: to using AI and deep fake videos to attack me,

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Speaker 16: But for me it humanizes the guy. He actually doesn't

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Speaker 16: look so wooden, but I mean, as this where we're

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Speaker 16: going with AI, maybe it is, but certainly he is

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Speaker 16: cranky as all get out, and the opposition up and

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Speaker 16: queens they're making no apologies. It's all fair and love

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Speaker 16: and politics.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Maz, thank you very much, appreciate it. Murray

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Speaker 3: Old's Australia correspondents sorry about the sound of the elevator.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, Muzz decided to stand next to an

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Speaker 3: elevator to talk to us and warned us you might

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Speaker 3: hear the elevator, and we heard the elevator. Hither other

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Speaker 3: than us all paying Darlene's wage to effectively do nothing,

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Speaker 3: which does piss me off. Other than that, I am

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Speaker 3: delighted that she's staying as a symbol of our costly

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Speaker 3: and poorly managed MPs can be as a symbol of

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Speaker 3: embarrassment and lack of credibility to the Greens. Me too.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. I look at her and

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Speaker 3: I go, I don't know why I'm paying your wage,

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Speaker 3: but I'm kind of a little bit happy to be

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Speaker 3: paying your wage, so everybody can remember that you were

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Speaker 3: just one of one of the characters the Greens brought in.

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Speaker 3: So you can sit there in siber area. She's sitting

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Speaker 3: behind them. Actually that this must suck for them. She's

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Speaker 3: sitting behind them in the kind of like weird little

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Speaker 3: corner of Parliament, just behind them. So every time you

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Speaker 3: see a shot of them, sort of as you go

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Speaker 3: up there, you get to see her there, just to

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Speaker 3: remind you she was one of them. And then yeah,

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Speaker 3: then the thing happened with the migrant exploitation alleged the PSA.

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Speaker 3: This is the union that representatives come out, the union

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Speaker 3: that represents the public service workers has filed another court case.

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Speaker 3: This is because the Ministry of Education court case last

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Speaker 3: week went really well for them. They have now come

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Speaker 3: for out of ordering a tamidiki, which is what remember

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Speaker 3: Nikola Willas said to us on show last night. She said,

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Speaker 3: there are a couple of agencies who will be affected

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Speaker 3: by this as well, one being rang A Tamoiki, the

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Speaker 3: other one being the Ministry of Social Development. Same same

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Speaker 3: thing in the collective agreement where before they start making

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Speaker 3: people redundant, they need to have some consultation with the

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Speaker 3: union and they haven't done that, so they've come after

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Speaker 3: OT expect a court case against MSD as well. Sixteen

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Speaker 3: Away from five.

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Speaker 5: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Jason Wall's newstalks, AB's political editism for barrisobahe Jason Afternoon,

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Speaker 3: Heather Ay. So did they even talk to Darlene the Greens?

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Speaker 20: Did they even talk? Did they even look at her?

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Speaker 20: Absolutely not. She cast a somewhat lonely figure sitting at

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Speaker 20: the back of the debating chamber this afternoon, in a

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Speaker 20: seat where the press gallery calls Siberia. Given it's so

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Speaker 20: far away from everyone else. It's a seat that in

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Speaker 20: the past has been warmed by the likes of Jamie

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Speaker 20: Lee Ross Goodev Chatama, Elizabeth Kendy Kendy and Mika Fati.

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Speaker 20: Not exactly an enviable list by any stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 20: It's actually directly behind the Green Party, but they are

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Speaker 20: wanted nothing to do with her today, although she did

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Speaker 20: get a few hongy from Tiparty Mardi MPs as they

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Speaker 20: came into the chamber as well. The Greens are still

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Speaker 20: angry with her co leader Chloe Swarbrick today again telling

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Speaker 20: her to resign. And there's a bit of a twist. Now,

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Speaker 20: have a listened to what Swarbrick had to tell us

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Speaker 20: before going into the house today.

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Speaker 17: Are we in a situation where we have to explore

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Speaker 17: other options? Then we will have those sensitive conversations at

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Speaker 17: our AGM the summing weekend.

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Speaker 20: So it's going to have your AGM this weekend is

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Speaker 20: when the brother hits the world in terms of that conversation.

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Speaker 17: When it comes to sensitive discussions with our party about

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Speaker 17: what potential other avenues may be available to us, those

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Speaker 17: will happen with our party at the AGM. As I've

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Speaker 17: been saying for weeks on how the Ers feel about

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Speaker 17: this situation, it can be pretty clear with you that

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Speaker 17: there are a number of members across the country who

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Speaker 17: have reached out to me incredibly frustrated about this situation

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Speaker 17: and about Darlien Tanner's unwillingness to take responsibility for what's

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Speaker 17: happened to here.

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Speaker 20: So it's agreed quite fittingly. Actually, it's the Greens AGM

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Speaker 20: this weekend in christ Church and it sounds as though

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Speaker 20: the delegates are going to cast some sort of doubt

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Speaker 20: vote on Darlien's future. Now this is a vote I

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Speaker 20: would imagine that would be about using the walker jumping legislation.

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Speaker 20: That is the law that allows parties to expel a

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Speaker 20: member of Parliament who's left the party that they entered

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Speaker 20: parliament in with. And the problem here for the Greens

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Speaker 20: is that they fought tooth and nail against this legislation

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Speaker 20: when it was before the House. So the question is

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Speaker 20: use the law and be hypocrites, or don't use it,

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Speaker 20: And then Darlian Tana stays here for a while. And

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Speaker 20: we know that Darleyn Tana expects to stay here for

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Speaker 20: a while as an independent because have a listen to

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Speaker 20: what she said when she was caught by reporters in

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Speaker 20: Parliament this afternoon.

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Speaker 7: I'm here now and doing the mahie, and you don't

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Speaker 7: intend to go anywhere. You're here to stay. I'm here

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Speaker 7: now and doing the mahi for as long as this

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Speaker 7: place going out.

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Speaker 20: So the problem is as long as this place allows

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Speaker 20: might be three more whole days.

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Speaker 3: It's a week's pay, you know, and then on top

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Speaker 3: of the other three weeks, it's a month's pace. Nothing

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Speaker 3: to be sniffed out on that and comes pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Why did Winston use the R word.

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Speaker 20: Oh, it was one heck of a rodeo in the row,

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Speaker 20: as he would say in the house today in terms

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Speaker 20: of insults flying and slurs flying. So with the wait,

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Speaker 20: Tita of Anti Party Marty got the ball rolling with.

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Speaker 21: This, how does the Minister for Mardi Crown Relations feel

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Speaker 21: being wheeled out by this government to answer a question

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Speaker 21: that was directed to the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 20: So this one wasn't too bad, a little reductive, especially

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Speaker 20: considering Tamapultaka, who was the minister meant to be answering

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Speaker 20: the questions was actually at a tonguey today. And it

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Speaker 20: was also a little ironic how often or how little

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Speaker 20: Pati Marti actually show up in the house. And then

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Speaker 20: it was Winston who took it to the next level.

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Speaker 22: Does the minister think that attending someone's close relations tonguey

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Speaker 22: is a case of being wheeled out of this Parliament?

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Speaker 22: Has been put by that last idiotic questioner.

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Speaker 20: Now this drew somewhat of an ironic response from Debbi

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Speaker 20: Nadi Wapaka.

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Speaker 7: Are we asked that de Korum be restored to this house?

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Speaker 20: Ironic in the sense that it's the Tiparty Marti who

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Speaker 20: most often robbed the House of said decorum. Winston wouldn't

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Speaker 20: allow them to have the last word and drop this line.

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Speaker 20: Now we're warning he uses a word here that many

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Speaker 20: people might find offensive.

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Speaker 22: Ask the minister, there's two of the top three in

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Speaker 22: this parliament who have got Marie background, or the highest

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Speaker 22: percentage of Marian and Pacifica in a cabinet represent progress

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Speaker 22: or the kind of retard comment you just heard.

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Speaker 20: You cannot say that one, Winston. So we asked him

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Speaker 20: about it outside of the house and his response was

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Speaker 20: somewhat predictable. Have a listen to this exchange I had

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Speaker 20: with him.

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Speaker 12: Most people would look at that word and.

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Speaker 22: Say, we're not dealing with Most people did understanding when

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Speaker 22: I'll answer the question when you shut up another answer

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Speaker 22: when you're speaking, Okay, here we go. There's many answers

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Speaker 22: to the interpretations of that word. Many it means just

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Speaker 22: slowing the vehicle down, stopping it down, or setting it down.

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Speaker 22: Got mere answers in.

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Speaker 20: That, Winston, Come on, I don't think that's what you

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Speaker 20: meant when you said it in the house.

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Speaker 3: Jason, thank you very much, really appreciated Jason Wall's newsort

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Speaker 3: zb's political editor in for Barry Soper nine away from

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Speaker 3: five putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, casking.

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Speaker 3: Breakfast crystper luxe as well as what you did with

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Speaker 3: health in New Zealand. Where are the Ministry of Health

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Speaker 3: in this?

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Speaker 23: You can't go from we might make a bit of

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Speaker 23: a surplus to we're losing one hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 23: dollars a month. Everyone you talk to in the system

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Speaker 23: will just say, look, I'm on the front line of

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Speaker 23: the system. I want to yes or no from my

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Speaker 23: management whether I can do something or not, and I

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Speaker 23: get a non decision and mush. And that is because

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Speaker 23: there is this layers and layers of management.

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Speaker 24: I'll tell you why it happened.

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Speaker 23: They took the twenty DHBs and they whacked a massive

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Speaker 23: layers of management over the top, and that just has

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Speaker 23: calcified and slowed everything down. We need to move decision

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Speaker 23: making back to the front line. That's why the Commissioner

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Speaker 23: has to go in to get a different set of

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Speaker 23: results and outcomes very quickly.

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Speaker 5: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 5: Jaguine Newstalk ZV.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that Winston's going to get that

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Speaker 3: much flak from his own party supporters. What do you

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Speaker 3: think I mean, I'm getting a bunch of texts along

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Speaker 3: the word along these lines. Actually, I don't think most

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Speaker 3: New Zealanders have a problem with the R word hither.

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Speaker 3: This is why I love Winston, he says how he feels.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't care about it. Here the why can't use

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Speaker 3: Why can't Winston use the word hither? The reporter who

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Speaker 3: was offended as the way, who is the R word?

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Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera, And then also the point so

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Speaker 3: everybody gets all pussy when Winston uses the R word,

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Speaker 3: but the media happy to wave through genocide, white supremacy,

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Speaker 3: and just a few comments from the Maori party come

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Speaker 3: on fair point five away from five. So it may

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Speaker 3: surprise you to know that there is, well, I mean

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Speaker 3: this won't surprise you, is a Guinness World record for

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Speaker 3: absolutely everything. There is a Guinness World Record for the

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Speaker 3: world's biggest hucker, which involved about slightly more than four

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Speaker 3: thousand people. But it may surprise you to know that

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Speaker 3: that world record is not held by New Zealand. It's

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Speaker 3: actually held by France, which obviously is not okay, and

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Speaker 3: so as a result, there is an effort underway now

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Speaker 3: to try to get the world record to come back

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Speaker 3: to New Zealand. So sometime in September, Eden Park is

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Speaker 3: going to fill up with about ten thousand people, and

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Speaker 3: you apparently you're welcome to be one of them as well.

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Speaker 3: You just need to buy yourself a ticket and then

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Speaker 3: you can go in there. You can be among the

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Speaker 3: ten thousand people who do the hucker. It's carmarte and

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Speaker 3: away we go and we get the record back. But

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Speaker 3: you are going to pay for the privilege the culture.

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Speaker 3: How much is it twenty five bucks? Five bucks or

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Speaker 3: so fifty? No, it's more than that, adds and says

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Speaker 3: it's fifteen. I think fifteen is the early boots.

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Speaker 25: Oh yeah, it's the only good price.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but you can't not everybody's going to get

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Speaker 3: an early bird price, like what accur BRIT's go fifteen dollars.

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Speaker 3: You could say that, Oh, tickets are from fifteen dollars

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Speaker 3: up words from fifteen dollars. Anyway you can get yourself

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Speaker 3: in it, you're gonna have to pay for it. We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to the cultural ambassador for the project,

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Speaker 3: will be with us quarter past five. Be able to

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Speaker 3: explain to us how on earth. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: know how France got it. Anyway, listen, as I was

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Speaker 3: saying about Karmla Harris. The's a lot of news on

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Speaker 3: Karmala Harris today, obviously because she's up and running and

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Speaker 3: going for it with the presidential nomination. Now got finally

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Speaker 3: got and this is kind of a big deal. Finally

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Speaker 3: got the endorsement from Nancy Pelosi today, which Nancy was

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Speaker 3: holding out on. That is not the biggest endorsement that

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Speaker 3: Karmala Harris has got today. She has been called a

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Speaker 3: brat by Charlie xcs XCX. If you do not know

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Speaker 3: who Charlie XCX is, it is probably because you're of

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Speaker 3: my age or upwards. Charlie XCX is a British pop

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Speaker 3: singer who is absolutely massive, and being called a brat

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Speaker 3: by Charlie XCX is like life goals for gen zs.

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Speaker 20: I have.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what the hell it meant, so

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Speaker 3: I had to go and google it. Apparently being called

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Speaker 3: brat is a compliment because it's the opposite of being

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Speaker 3: too polished and too perfect. It's basically being a bit

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Speaker 3: messy and authentic, and apparently that is what Karmala Harris

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Speaker 3: is and being a brat even has a color. It's

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Speaker 3: green like spew, green, like bile green. That's the color

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Speaker 3: of being a brat. Carmela's people being clever social media

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Speaker 3: people have seized on this. If you go to her

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Speaker 3: official HQ account on Twitter now you will see that

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Speaker 3: the background has been changed to the brat color. So

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Speaker 3: they love it. They know that this is going to

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Speaker 3: work for her and with the young ones, the gen

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Speaker 3: z it just made her cool with them, so she's

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Speaker 3: going to be their one. Watch this happen. Talking to

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Speaker 3: the Commerce Commission next about cracking down on MasterCard and

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Speaker 3: Visa with those payway fees. Newstalk zb.

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Speaker 1: That's the best posson.

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Speaker 5: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 5: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to clan.

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Speaker 2: Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected and news

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Speaker 2: talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. The Commerce Commission has taken the first step towards

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Speaker 3: putting a cap on what you pay to use your

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Speaker 3: credit card as a pay wave card. They reckon, we

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Speaker 3: are paying too much for the privilege. About a billion

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Speaker 3: dollars a year, and the ComCom has started consultation about

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Speaker 3: regulating that amount. John Small is the chairman of the

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Speaker 3: Commerce Commission with us.

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Speaker 24: Now, hey, John Hei, how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Now, am I right in

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Speaker 3: thinking you want to take the surcharge down from about

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Speaker 3: an average of two point five percent to zero point

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Speaker 3: seven percent?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's pretty much the strength of it.

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Speaker 8: That's right.

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Speaker 12: If we think that that's doable, and we think it'll

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Speaker 12: be pretty beneficial in lots of ways if.

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Speaker 3: You are successful in being able to regulate this. Does

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Speaker 3: this mean, for example, that if you go to pay

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Speaker 3: your parking and it's three dollars and you're going to

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Speaker 3: tap your card, you no longer pay a fifty cents

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Speaker 3: charge for tapping your card. You only pay zero point

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Speaker 3: seven percent.

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Speaker 12: That's what it should be. If that, you know, zero

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Speaker 12: point seven percent, some merchants will say why bother? And

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Speaker 12: that would be a good outcome. The reason we're saying

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Speaker 12: zero point seven percent is it is a part of

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Speaker 12: what we're doing here, Heather as trying to simplify these

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Speaker 12: rates so the merchants know much more clearly what they're

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Speaker 12: what it's costing them, and then that allows us as

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Speaker 12: buyers to also know that. So if you see under

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Speaker 12: this new New world consultation goes the way that we

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Speaker 12: kind of hope it will, then people will be able

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Speaker 12: to expect to not ever pay more than point seven

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Speaker 12: if they.

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Speaker 3: Actually ero point seven percent of paying three dollars for

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Speaker 3: your parking is not even one cent. So if they're

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Speaker 3: charging us fifty, are they ripping us off?

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Speaker 12: Well, these are charges that we're seeing at the moment.

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Speaker 12: A lot of them are well above cost. But part

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Speaker 12: of the problem is that is that if you and

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Speaker 12: I don't actually know what their cost is, and sometimes

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Speaker 12: they don't either, how much more are.

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Speaker 3: They charging us in New Zealand than they're charging overseas?

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Speaker 3: This is Visa and MasterCard.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, in New Zealand's interchange, this is an

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Speaker 12: interchange fee that we're talking about pushing down. You know,

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Speaker 12: ours are sort of higher than some and lower than

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Speaker 12: others basically around the world. But we're looking at the

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Speaker 12: UK in Europe where and benchmarking fees against them, they

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Speaker 12: seem to be able to maintain perfectly viable payment networks,

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Speaker 12: and so that's the kind of benchmark that we're looking at.

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Speaker 12: But you know, as you know there's been much higher

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Speaker 12: rates than that in New Zealand and elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you are able to introduce this cap,

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Speaker 3: would this include capping online fees that you pay for

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Speaker 3: your credit card, like, for example, when you pay for

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Speaker 3: the New.

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Speaker 12: Zealand We yes, it will be. It's designed to be

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Speaker 12: very universal. So as I say, we're in consultation at

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Speaker 12: the moment. We'll see what people have got to say.

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Speaker 12: Some people might tell us it's a terrible idea because

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Speaker 12: of this or of that unexpected you unintended consequence. We'll

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Speaker 12: have a look at all that. But that's definitely where

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Speaker 12: we're hitting.

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Speaker 3: All right. I know you want the retailers to absorb

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Speaker 3: this stuff. If it gets low enough, do you think

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Speaker 3: they will learn?

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Speaker 12: Hard to know, but I mean I think either way

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Speaker 12: it's not going to matter too much. If there's a

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Speaker 12: clear expectation and it's such a low number as zero

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Speaker 12: point seven, then you know it's not as you say,

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Speaker 12: it's only going to be a few cents on a

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Speaker 12: small purchase. So for them it might be a wide

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Speaker 12: bother and for us it's you know, just not much.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully, John, I'm into this. I want to see you

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Speaker 3: do this. So how long do I have to wait?

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Speaker 12: Good question. We've got the we've got the consultation open

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Speaker 12: for I think a couple of weeks or maybe a

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Speaker 12: bit longer. The good news is that the Commission has

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Speaker 12: the power to do this, so we don't have to

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Speaker 12: go to a court or persuade a minister or anything

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Speaker 12: like that. So we'll see, We'll see what comes back

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Speaker 12: and the replies and then have a good hard think

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Speaker 12: about it internally and make our call.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Really appreciate your time, John, that's John Small,

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Speaker 3: Commerce Commission Chairman. He so the issue of Transpower paying

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Speaker 3: compo is back in the news. They were called into

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Speaker 3: a meeting today with the MP for Northland about their

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Speaker 3: refusal to pay compo to the businesses who were affected

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Speaker 3: by the power outage last month. When this happened, all the.

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Speaker 26: Nuts securing the tower to the base plate on three

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Speaker 26: legs have been removed, which caused the tower to lift

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Speaker 26: off the base plate and fall.

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Speaker 3: North of an MP. Grant McCallum is with me now,

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Speaker 3: Hay grunt, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 21: That when I hear that, it still makes you shake

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Speaker 21: your head in disbelieve.

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Speaker 13: I know.

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Speaker 3: That's why we keep playing it just so we can remember,

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Speaker 3: we can remember why they need to pay compo grant.

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Speaker 3: Have they changed their minds you meeting?

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Speaker 21: It's interesting. I had a good, really constructive meeting with them. Actually,

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Speaker 21: they acknowledged to me that they do own Northland. We've

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Speaker 21: just got to now work out what that looks like.

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Speaker 21: It would be fair to say that they suggested I

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Speaker 21: made a suggestion I made once a bit further. We're

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Speaker 21: a bit farther the part, but they're going to.

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Speaker 8: Go back and talk to the board.

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Speaker 3: So did they give you a number?

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Speaker 21: They gave me a very low number of how they

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Speaker 21: approached these things in the past, and I said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 21: this is unique. No, we're not going to wear that.

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Speaker 21: We're going to I was looking at something significantly higher

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Speaker 21: than that.

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Speaker 3: What was the number.

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Speaker 21: I'm not telling you that, Heather, I'll get myself in trouble.

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Speaker 3: How much smaller than your number? Was their number?

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Speaker 21: This is a multiple rather a large multiple, probably about ten.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, did you give them a bollocking?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 21: We had eye looked, Yes, I look, they acknowledged they

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Speaker 21: Actually they were very respectful. They got it that they

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Speaker 21: I just said, you guys really have to come to

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Speaker 21: party for us up in the North because we really

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Speaker 21: you know, people just don't. We're just a lot of

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Speaker 21: businesses from the chemistry to throw jugs out of his fridge.

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Speaker 21: The little guy with a pizza oven with a throw

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Speaker 21: his dough out to the big businesses that lost hundreds

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Speaker 21: of houses are bucks and north has had enough. They

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Speaker 21: just feel that they are now fair enough.

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Speaker 3: Here's the trouble though, Right, they've done this before, They've

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Speaker 3: gone into a meeting and they've made it sound like

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Speaker 3: they're going to pay compod then they've changed their mind.

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Speaker 3: So how do you know they're not doing this to you?

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Speaker 21: Well, well I'll give it to me, you know, I'll

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Speaker 21: give them a go, give them a chance and if

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Speaker 21: they just refuse to play ball, then we'll go public

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Speaker 21: and go hard again. Right, You've got to give them

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Speaker 21: opportunity to come back to me with a constructive offer

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Speaker 21: that Northones we'll see value in, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Grant, Monister of Transport. On another subject, Minister of Transport

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Speaker 3: has just announced in the past hour that the government

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Speaker 3: is going to accelerate work on that new four lane

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Speaker 3: expressway between Auckland and Fargada. How good is this for Northland?

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Speaker 21: Outstanding news, particularly after what happened on the weekends with

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Speaker 21: the Madou and Shelley again for a few hours. It's

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Speaker 21: just what it's to fill up. Our region needs to

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Speaker 21: know that we get and we're going to fix that problem.

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Speaker 21: It will take a few years, but we're going to

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Speaker 21: do it because it has to happen for the benefit

871
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Speaker 21: of Northland.

872
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: Good stuff, mate, thank you so much for your time

873
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: and good luck with the compo. That's Grant McCallum, Northland MP.

874
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: That's what Electric MP should be doing. Gain Heather duper

875
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: c la oh and hard Heather. Why didn't any reporter

876
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: ask Darlene what the muhy is that she's doing because

877
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 3: she doesn't represent any party or electorate at Lance. Well,

878
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: actually they did ask, this is the money that she's doing.

879
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 7: Well, I came in to work off ocean's protection and

880
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 7: restoring in a coastal marine environment.

881
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 26: So those are the areas in.

882
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 7: Particular that you have to find yourself and working across

883
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 7: parliament to achieve someone.

884
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's see how she goes with that water

885
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: stuff quarter past. Hey, you've heard me say this before.

886
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 3: I'm going to say to you again when it comes

887
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: to choosing an EV, then a BYD is the way

888
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: to go. And there has never been a better time

889
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: to buy yourself a BYD because right now the current model,

890
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: which is the BYD att oh three, which by the

891
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: way is New Zealand's most awarded EV, is just fifty

892
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: one nine and ninety dollars, So if you buy it,

893
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: you're going to save yourself up to five grand. You've

894
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: got to be quick, though, oh, because this deal is

895
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: literally going to run out any day now. Question of

896
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: course is what are you waiting for? Because the bydatoh

897
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: three has all the things that you would expect from

898
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: a brand new BYD. It's got a whopping range of

899
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: up to four hundred and twenty k's, it's got the

900
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: ultra safe BYD blade battery. And let me tell you,

901
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 3: because I have driven it, it is a pleasure to drive.

902
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: The crazy runout price is only while the stocks last, though,

903
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: so get in quick, don't miss out. That's the BYD

904
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: at oh three, new Zealand's most awarded EV, for just

905
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: fifty one thousand, nine hundred and ninety dollars. And don't

906
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: take my word for it, go test driving. I've driven it.

907
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: Test drive it. Yourself at any byd dealer today and

908
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: see for yourself how good these cars really are together.

909
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: Due for c Allen right.

910
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: Eighteen past five. Now New Zealand is going to try

911
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: to claim back the Guinness World Record of the largest hucker.

912
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: For some weird reason, the record is held by France.

913
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: Has been held by France for ten years, but now

914
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: there's a plan to get ten thousand people to perform

915
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: a hucker at Eden Park in September to claim the

916
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: title back. Dame Hina where he Mouhi is the cultural

917
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: ambassador for the project. Hi henewe he sure?

918
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 27: Oh no, I heard that.

919
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: How did ants get the record?

920
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 27: Well, it's almost ten years since they got that record, figure,

921
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 27: it's time to take it back.

922
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: How did they do that?

923
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: Did they just look at it and think there's that's

924
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: the thing we can do and they did it?

925
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Speaker 27: I guess.

926
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Speaker 3: So okay, so they've got a record that's like four

927
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 3: thousand odd people, right, you guys want to get ten

928
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: thousand people into into Eden Park to do it? Do

929
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Speaker 3: you reckon? You can get that many?

930
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 27: Oh yes, and nine hundred and ninety nine and you

931
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Speaker 27: will be there on the twenty ninth of September at

932
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Speaker 27: Eden Park.

933
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but are you sure I'm going to come? Because

934
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Speaker 3: you want me to pay for the privilege, don't you.

935
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Speaker 4: Yes.

936
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Speaker 27: It's a fun phaser for the local Tony Music Therapy Center,

937
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 27: and it's going to be such an exciting, exhilarating things

938
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Speaker 27: to be a part of when they all come together

939
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 27: and celebrate our unique cultural here it is. It's going

940
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Speaker 27: to be a razing.

941
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Speaker 3: And then, so how's it going to work?

942
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Speaker 13: Is it?

943
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you're doing Carmartia. Everybody knows carmati. Is it

944
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: just a case of everybody turns up and does it?

945
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Speaker 3: Or you're going to do a practice beforehand?

946
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Speaker 27: Well, we're doing practices beforehand and also provide instructional videos

947
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Speaker 27: that people can learn the right actions in the right

948
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Speaker 27: words and can feel a little more prepared and excited

949
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Speaker 27: about how they're going to perform on the day. And

950
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Speaker 27: then in the lead up with lots of great entertainment

951
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Speaker 27: and excitement for the whole phar noo. We'll have some

952
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Speaker 27: practice out on the number two pitch and then bring

953
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Speaker 27: everyone onto the number one pitch and bring this the

954
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Speaker 27: spectacle together in the moment in history that I think

955
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Speaker 27: we will never forget, Hey, how does it work?

956
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Speaker 3: If you want to if you want to set a

957
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 3: Guinness World Record, do you just give them a phone

958
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: call and say this is what we're going to do.

959
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: You need to come by and make sure it works

960
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: or is like a bit more paperwork to it.

961
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 27: There's quite a lot of paperwork, which I think is

962
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Speaker 27: why it's made it so difficult for the record to

963
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Speaker 27: be attempted again. And it's involving quite a bit of

964
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Speaker 27: cost and a lot of time. And doeshtingent rules? Because

965
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Speaker 27: as you can imagine, Guinness World Record has a reputation

966
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 27: to upkeep and it's going to be quite something with

967
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Speaker 27: an Australian coming over the night before to adjudicate and

968
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Speaker 27: ensure that we have the world record successfully carried out.

969
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 27: We've got to have for every fifty people on the

970
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Speaker 27: field performing the hacker, we have to have a steward

971
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Speaker 27: to monitor the numbers and the quality of the hacker.

972
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Speaker 27: And it's a lot involved, but it'll be amazing. Everyone's

973
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 27: just going to come to the fore and really celebrate

974
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 27: their utility.

975
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, best of Like I hope you guys managed

976
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: to claim the record back. That's Dame Hennawiheim Mohi, who

977
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: is the cultural ambassador for the project. Heather Grants the

978
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Speaker 3: one doing the actual that's, of course Grant mccum from

979
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Speaker 3: up North. I would agree with that.

980
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 21: Hither.

981
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: I spent three months in UK, Europe, Canada and USA

982
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: late last year, not one charge for using payWave. So

983
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: I wrote to Andrew Bailey complaining about the charges here

984
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. It's kind of embarrassing, you know when

985
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: you go to like a third world country and they

986
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: charge you really weird stuff and you're like, why are

987
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: you charging that's just basic, like first world country. Oh,

988
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: that's right, you're a third world country. That's why you

989
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: tried it. That's what we're doing and just sort it out.

990
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: Five twenty two, The day's newsmakers talk to Heather. First,

991
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 5: Heather duper c Allen drive with One New Zealand. Let's

992
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 5: get connected and news talk.

993
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: Z B Right, it's five twenty five. Listen. The Prime Minister,

994
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: if you've been following the news today, is copping a

995
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: little bit of flat because he's decided he's going to

996
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: cut one of his regular media appearances with the press

997
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: gallery on a Tuesday from here on and now this

998
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: has been a convention for years now, when the Prime

999
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: Minister goes into Parliament's question time Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday,

1000
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: if he's there, he will stop on the black and

1001
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: white tiles on the way in and he will let

1002
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: the press gallery answer him, ask him questions. That is

1003
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: now going to stop on a Tuesday now. The press

1004
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: gallery are trying to convince him to change his mind,

1005
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: and they've gone public with it, and I suspect that's

1006
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: probably a bit of a bid to put a bit

1007
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: of pressure on him. But actually I think they're going

1008
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: to struggle to get any sympathy on this. And I'm

1009
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: gonna tell you why, because let me run you through

1010
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: his media appearances on weeks when Parliament is sitting Monday afternoon,

1011
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: at four o'clock, he is at a post cabinet press

1012
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 3: conference where the press gallery ask him questions. Tuesday morning,

1013
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: from seven o'clock, he does a round of media interviews

1014
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: with Mike Hosking and other breakfast programs across radio and

1015
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,479
Speaker 3: TV where he answers questions. Then later on Tuesday morning,

1016
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Speaker 3: around about ten, he stops on his way into the

1017
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: caucus meeting to let the press gallery ask him questions.

1018
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: Tuesday afternoon, just before two o'clock, on his way into

1019
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: the house, he stops to let the press gallery ask

1020
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: him questions. Wednesday afternoon, just before two o'clock, on his

1021
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: way into the house, he stops to let the press

1022
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: gallery ask him questions. On the rare occasion that a

1023
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: Prime Minister is in the house on a Thursday, he

1024
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: goes on his way to the house, stops to let

1025
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 3: the press gallery ask him questions. Plus any other press

1026
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: conference that he might then call during the week to

1027
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: announce some government initiative, he will answer questions. That is

1028
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: a lot of media to actually be doing across a week, right,

1029
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: It's a lot more than you would get, for an example,

1030
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 3: from other world leaders, for example Joe Biden, whose press

1031
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 3: conferences are actually run not by him but by his spokesperson. Now,

1032
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: this I think is very different to Jacinda Ardun dropping

1033
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: her media interviews because the kind of media interviews that

1034
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: she was dropping with hard ones, you know, the ones

1035
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: with Mike Hosking, who is arguably the best interviewer in

1036
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: the country, or with Q and A and news Hub Nation,

1037
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: which were long format interviews which means that you sit

1038
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: there sweating and things start to get really difficult, or

1039
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: you might recall she started refusing to take talkback calls.

1040
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: That's also a bit awkward and unpredictable and can get

1041
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: a little bit uncomfortable. Now, that is different to what's

1042
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: going on here, which is just seeing the press gallery

1043
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 3: one fewer time in the space of about seventy two hours.

1044
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, right, what is it that

1045
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: the press gallery want to ask on a Tuesday afternoon

1046
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 3: that they couldn't have asked on a Tuesday morning or

1047
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: couldn't wait to ask on a Wednesday afternoon.

1048
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Speaker 1: Heather Dupleicy Ellen, I'm going to talk to the.

1049
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: Huddle about that when they're with us shortly. Irana Wildlife

1050
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: the board members are fronting. One of them is with us.

1051
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: Ken Huey, Emeritus Professor is going to be with us

1052
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: just after the headlines which are coming at us. And

1053
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: also there is a theory doing the rounds that Joe Biden,

1054
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 3: you know, when Joe Biden called in Kamala Harris on

1055
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: that little phone call that we played to you earlier.

1056
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 3: Theory that it's not real, it's ai or pre recorded.

1057
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna tell you why. And just a tickie

1058
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: News Talks b.

1059
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

1060
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: Heather Dupleic Allen drive with One New Zealand let's get

1061
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: connected a news talk as they'd be.

1062
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Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, I meant to tell you we've

1063
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: got some details on the warehouse takeover bit. I'll rang

1064
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: you through that and we're going to talk to Greg

1065
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: Smith of Devon Funds after sex find out whether it's

1066
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: a good offer or lot. Now the huddle is standing by.

1067
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: We've got Allie Jones and Jordan Williams this evening. As

1068
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 3: I was telling you just before, some people now think

1069
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: that Joe, but you know how like it was a big,

1070
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: big song and dance. Karmela's at the HQ and dellaware

1071
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: she's addressing the campaign team and the media of filming

1072
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Speaker 3: it and rah rah whoop, whoop, Yeah Karmela, and then

1073
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: Joe calls in and it's this beautiful moment and he's saying,

1074
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: I love your girl, I'm watching you all that. Some

1075
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: people think it was pre recorded, it's fake. They think

1076
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: it was either pre recorded or AI because of this

1077
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Speaker 3: little slip up from her.

1078
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Speaker 10: It is so good to hear our president's voice, Joe.

1079
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 10: I know you're still on the on the car.

1080
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 3: Did you hear it? Did you hear it? She starts saying,

1081
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 3: I know you still on the recording, but then she

1082
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: changes to on the call blind on the car? Did

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Speaker 3: you hear it? Did you hear it?

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Speaker 13: Blind on the car?

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Speaker 3: So it's a fake anyway, If it is, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's not great with the language, right, she's

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00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: stuffing up with the word sellers and the repeats and stuff. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's like just not a great talker as it is.

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Speaker 3: But if it is fake, the reason it will be

1090
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Speaker 3: fake rather than just having Joe call in and obviously

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Speaker 3: do it live and have a beautiful moment, the reason

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Speaker 3: they can't trust him to call in live is because

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Speaker 3: they can't trust him to actually finish his sentence or

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Speaker 3: necessarily remember her name, or necessarily remember that he's not

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Speaker 3: the one who's the black woman.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cela.

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Speaker 3: Now, the Irana Wildlife Trust Board has hit back against

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Speaker 3: the claims that some animals that are run a wildlife

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Speaker 3: park have been poorly treated. You will be aware of.

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Speaker 3: In the last few days, former staff at the zoo

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Speaker 3: have raised concerns about a number of animal deaths and injuries.

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Speaker 3: Gary Or from MPI spoke to us yesterday. He told

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Speaker 3: us that the park hasn't always been totally upfront with

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Speaker 3: them about the animal deaths.

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Speaker 21: The memos that have been raised previously come to our.

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Speaker 3: Attentions from the zoo, which ones.

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Speaker 21: In relation to the giraffes, the gorilla, and the otta

1108
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 21: that were raised in the television story.

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Speaker 3: Emeritus Professor Ken Hue is on the board of the

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Speaker 3: Ourana Wildlife Trusting with us.

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Speaker 24: Now, Hey, Ken, hi, Heather?

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Speaker 3: Is that fair? Did you not tell them about all

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Speaker 3: the deaths?

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Speaker 24: No, it's not fair, Heather. In fact, we have told

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Speaker 24: them about all of those deaths. We report annually to MPI,

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00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 24: and we do that as part of pre preparation for

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00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 24: their annual order, and every one of those deaths was recorded.

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00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 24: I have had that confirmed for me personally today.

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Speaker 3: Who confirmed it to you?

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Speaker 24: That was confirmed by one of our senior staff. I

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Speaker 24: don't want to name names at the moment. You can

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Speaker 24: understand why, but I am absolutely confident that we have

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Speaker 24: reported those deaths to NPI.

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Speaker 3: Why would MPI say you haven't.

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Speaker 24: I think what happens is there's probably several parts to MPI.

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Speaker 24: There are very very large organization, so we don't report

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Speaker 24: to the compliance part, and so you were talking to

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Speaker 24: Gary from compliance. We report to another segment of the

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Speaker 24: organization that's in a big ledger or a big spreadsheet,

1130
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Speaker 24: and it's possible he did not see them there or

1131
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 24: he was not told about them, but certainly I have

1132
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Speaker 24: checked and they are reported.

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Speaker 3: Ken, are you totally confident that every single one of

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00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: these deaths are not deaths that were preventable or as

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00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: a result of negligence from staff or yourselves.

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Speaker 24: Well, to me, there's I guess two main types of

1137
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 24: deaths that occur at RANA. There's the accidental deaths where

1138
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Speaker 24: things occur which at the time might have been out

1139
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 24: of our control, but with the benefit of hindsight and learning,

1140
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 24: we may have prevented. So a good example of that

1141
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 24: might be the recorded death of an otter that drowned,

1142
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 24: and we know from our learning and review from that

1143
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 24: experience that there is something what we could have done

1144
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 24: with the gorilla under the water, and we have taken

1145
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 24: remedial measures. So those sort of deaths, often with the

1146
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 24: benefit of hindsight, may be preventable. We absolutely accept that,

1147
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 24: and we learn as we go. We are a learning

1148
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 24: based organization. Then there's the other deaths through illness. Now

1149
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 24: some of those deaths may or may not be preventable. Actually,

1150
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 24: as you know, we have over a thousand animals there.

1151
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 24: Many get sick from time to time and we treat

1152
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 24: many many of them absolutely successfully, but some do die. Mahli,

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00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 24: the gorilla it died. We tried really hard to treat

1154
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 24: Mahli properly and we used all of the best available

1155
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 24: evidence at the time. What we didn't know was that

1156
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 24: Mahali had a bacterial infection which was absolutely one hundred

1157
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 24: percent new to science. We could not treat Mahali at

1158
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 24: the time because we did not know that was the situation.

1159
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 24: So there are always those sorts of incidents, and we

1160
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 24: were really hard because animal welfare is absolutely paramount to Irana.

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Speaker 3: You guys getting blowback.

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Speaker 24: Yes we are, and you know it's hard to take

1163
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 24: and we've got nothing to hide that. We work really

1164
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 24: hard with MPI, with the general public, and with all

1165
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,959
Speaker 24: of our sponsors and others to do a really fantastic job.

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Speaker 24: And as a member of the board, I have absolute

1167
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 24: confidence in senior management and staff of Irana to do

1168
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 24: the right thing. And so yes, we are getting some pushback.

1169
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 24: We accept that and what we're doing is being absolutely

1170
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 24: open with what's happened in the past. We've always been open,

1171
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 24: but we're just reiterating the processes that we put put

1172
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Speaker 24: in place to make sure, to the best of our

1173
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 24: ability that unavoidable dests are avoided.

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Speaker 3: Ken, thank you for your time. Appreciate you coming to

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Speaker 3: have a chat to us. As Ken hue Irun a

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Speaker 3: Wildlife Trust board member.

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Speaker 3: Williams Taxpayers Union. Hello you tooad Hi Ali. Do you

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00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: use payWave?

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00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 11: Yes? Well no, I've started not to and carrying cash

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Speaker 11: around with me.

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00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 3: How sad is that packing machine?

1185
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 11: No I use coins, or I don't park there, or

1186
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 11: I take the risk. Seriously, I will not pay those

1187
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 11: fees I am. I'm a communtion with it. I mean,

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00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 11: even if you go to use your debit card, which

1189
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 11: is your own bloody money for a start, sometimes before

1190
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 11: you can do the swipe, it does the Zeppi thing.

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00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 11: So no, I carry cash around with me and will

1192
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 11: not pay the fees.

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Speaker 3: Yees, you got on, you got on? Yet what about you, Jordan?

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00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 24: I resent paying it. We used to have the zero

1195
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 24: merchant fees FOSS system was the best in the world.

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Speaker 24: The bank hated it the well, actually the banks that

1197
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 24: might have didn't have to cover cash handling fees that

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Speaker 24: was their benefit. Who hated it were the big card switches, which,

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Speaker 24: of course of now getting their way because we're all

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00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 24: moving to paywaves and and shipping off hundreds of millions,

1201
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 24: so we get nothing in return Di Visa and master Card.

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00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 24: But of course the banks now get a kickback on it,

1203
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 24: so they see a new revenue stream. I think it's terrible.

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00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 18: I resent it.

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00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: What's the pack back that the banks get.

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00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 24: Well, the banks get fees on.

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Speaker 3: Them, so you're getting you're getting the Masters and yet.

1208
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 24: Yeah, and they get a kickback from the big credit

1209
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 24: card switches, so that they said, it's new revenue for them,

1210
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 24: which is why we're all getting encouraged to get debit

1211
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 24: cards with paywaves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Elie, I'm here for the crackdown, aren't you.

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00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 11: Yeah. Absolutely, And actually that point that Chordren just made

1214
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 11: is a really valid one. So we've all been talked

1215
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 11: into and the technology has now meant that virtually everything

1216
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 11: is payWave. So then what do they do They start

1217
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 11: touching your fees, so you know, it's almost maca Alian.

1218
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 11: They've said it up so that they have Well, yeah,

1219
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 11: but don't don't blame them.

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Speaker 24: Don't blame the merchants. You know, they're the consumers.

1221
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 11: No, No, I'm not at all. No, it's the banks

1222
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 11: and the credit cards.

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Speaker 24: The question is what's the solution. And we can take

1224
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 24: a heavy handed regulatory approach. I think a better solution

1225
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 24: would actually just be more competition in the area. Open

1226
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 24: this stuff up to non bank competition. That's where it's

1227
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 24: you know, that's where a lot of these fintech startups

1228
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 24: are having alternatives.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Allie? Is going on with Darlene Tanner?

1230
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: Has she got balls or does she just need the money?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 11: I don't want to say this, but I think she's

1233
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 11: on the verge of a nervous breakdown reading some of

1234
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 11: the stuff in the media this afternoon. No, seriously, some

1235
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 11: of the stuff she said sounded like.

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Speaker 9: It was really weird.

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Speaker 11: Well what she made some comment about how she identifies

1238
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 11: as they and them, and it was totally out of context.

1239
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 11: In the interview she talked about how long she'd been married,

1240
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Speaker 11: and I mean it.

1241
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Speaker 12: Was just odd.

1242
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Speaker 11: But not getting back to the whole issue, it's quite

1243
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 11: incredible that she's there. You know, she got into Parliament

1244
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 11: as a stamp or an electorate MP. She has got

1245
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 11: no mandate other than the Green Party position and policies,

1246
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 11: and she's no longer in the Green Party. She needs

1247
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 11: to go. I think she should be arrested for trespass.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, Allie, you're becoming true and mallard as we speak. Jordan,

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Speaker 3: I what you'll take on it when we come back

1250
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,560
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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the huddle, Jordan Williams and Allie Jones. Right, Jordan,

1253
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Speaker 3: what do you think of Darlin Tanna being there?

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Speaker 24: Well, we've been jumping up and down for months saying

1255
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 24: she should. You know, we pay her quite handsomely to

1256
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 24: be an MP. She should turn up to work. Yes,

1257
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 24: she should resign, but she's clearly not going to. And

1258
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Speaker 24: that's yet another example of political parties selecting candidates that

1259
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 24: are either it will suited to be MP's or frankly

1260
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 24: have low opportunity cost of time. So when they've become disgraced,

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Speaker 24: of course they don't resign. This will be the best

1262
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Speaker 24: paid job she ever had.

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Speaker 18: Do you reckon?

1264
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Speaker 3: Are they going to pull the wacker jumping legislation?

1265
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 24: I don't know, but but I don't want this to

1267
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Speaker 24: justify saying we should have a walker jumping regime. It

1268
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Speaker 24: is I get that. You know, these are just list

1269
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 24: MP's and they get in off the coattails of the party,

1270
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 24: and all of that is true. However, you can't have

1271
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 24: a situation. You know that one of the prosiding MP's,

1272
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 24: you have all these party apparachicks, if they are able

1273
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 24: to be effectively sacked by the party high leaders up high,

1274
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 24: what the hell's the point of Green having entire even

1275
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 24: just give party leaders voting cards and you know on that,

1276
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 24: you know we have a house of representatives. We pay

1277
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 24: them to have their own judgment. Yep, she's worn out

1278
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 24: with the party and frankly the Greens that appears quite

1279
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 24: right to kick her out. Yes she should resign, but

1280
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 24: it all comes back to if you're head in peas

1281
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 24: with that actually had, you know, candidate jobs out of

1282
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Speaker 24: Parliament exactly.

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Speaker 3: To right, Allie, now listen, how do you feel about

1284
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 3: Chris lux and dropping his Tuesday afternoon media opportunity.

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Speaker 11: It's really unnecessary for him to do that. I think

1286
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Speaker 11: it's creating a perception that he doesn't want to speak

1287
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Speaker 11: to the media and by by association New Zealanders. And

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Speaker 11: that's I'll tell it's unnecessary because you know, it's five minutes.

1289
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Speaker 11: It's five minutes on a walk to the debating chamber.

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Speaker 11: It's no baggie and it's.

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Speaker 3: Not it's not fine. That's that is like factually impossible.

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Speaker 11: It might be five minutes of black and white.

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Speaker 3: It might be. It might be five minutes that he's there,

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Speaker 3: but the briefing that he has to go through beforehand

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Speaker 3: will be far longer than five minutes. It's a hell

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Speaker 3: of a lot of work to get ready for that.

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Speaker 11: Oh well, I thought he was actually just walking and

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Speaker 11: be like, he will be brief because everyone's brief before

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Speaker 11: he goes into the everyone will be briefing him before

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Speaker 11: he goes into the debating chamber. But I thought that

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Speaker 11: it was just removing essentially a five minute chat to

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 11: the media outside. He's got to be up with it

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Speaker 11: for going into the debating chamber. Well, I don't understand

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Speaker 11: why he would drop it for five minutes.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon, Jordan?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, two minds about this. It's not really good luck,

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Speaker 24: but it's sort of a mensiter the greatest respect to

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Speaker 24: your profession here to sort of journalists our own self importance.

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Speaker 24: The real debate is in the chamber where he gets

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01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 24: questioned by the leader of the opposition. It will mean

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01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 24: that the media focus prossibly, quite rightly, will be more

1312
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 24: on that on the Tuesdays rather than the agenda that

1313
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 24: they particularly want to run.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, although so I agree, I agree with Jordan on this,

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 3: but Ali, I think you do. You do make a

1317
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: good point, right, which is that the perception is never

1318
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Speaker 3: a good one if you start removing media access. And

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Speaker 3: it's not the first thing that he's done, because you

1320
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: also rolled back on the post cabinet press conferences during

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01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 3: recess weeks.

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Speaker 24: Yea, Longie, this was this precedent was really set by

1323
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 24: Helen Clark. She was much more I mean John Key followed.

1324
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 24: It was much much, much more open. Certainly you go

1325
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 24: back and Bulger or LONGI did not have the sort

1326
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 24: of access that we're used to getting on the boat,

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01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 24: call runs and the run into the chamber.

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Speaker 3: Yes, maybe twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 11: But my point is that this losingness is just not

1330
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 11: worth the pushback that he's getting. I mean, as I said,

1331
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 11: it's creating the perception that he doesn't want to talk

1332
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 11: to media, and I just don't.

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Speaker 13: Think it's worth it.

1334
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Speaker 11: If he wants to get rid of one of them,

1335
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 11: get rid of one of the other ones that really

1336
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 11: does chunk into his day. But I just think this

1337
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 11: was a no brainer, silly thing to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ali, do you reckon? There's much sympathy for the

1339
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: press Gallery at the moment, though.

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Speaker 11: Excuse me, I don't think people think about it, whether

1341
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 11: I think maybe you do, or I do, or Jordan's

1342
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 11: or others that follow the media. But you know, how

1343
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 11: many people actually know what the press gallery is for

1344
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 11: a start. But that's a really hard question to answer

1345
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 11: because I see it differently to I think the way

1346
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Speaker 11: the majority of New Zealand would.

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Speaker 3: That's fair enough. That is fair enough. Guys, Listen, it's

1348
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: really good to talk to the pair of you. I

1349
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: really appreciate its. Alie Jones of Red pr and Jordan

1350
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 3: Williams of the Taxpayers Union laid away from.

1351
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: Six on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and

1352
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: in your car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy allan

1353
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: drive with one New Zealand one giant leaped for business

1354
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: US talk.

1355
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Speaker 3: It's five away from six, Heather, Ali Jones is wrong.

1356
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 3: We all know the press gallery a pack of left

1357
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 3: leaning vultures there would not mine, not mine. So I

1358
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 3: have friends in the press gallery, and I'd like to

1359
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: continue those friendships. I'm just gonna I'm just declaring my

1360
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Speaker 3: bias right now. No sympathy, Heather, Hither, I praise Chris

1361
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 3: Luxen for ditching that interview. Hither. You have to admit

1362
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Speaker 3: the media ask bloody stupid questions sometimes, so I say,

1363
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 3: bugger off. Hither. I couldn't give a rats bum about

1364
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 3: lux and dropping the press, et cetera, et cetera. As

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01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: I said, I don't think they're going to get a

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01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: lot of sympathy. Now, you know how Ali was talking

1367
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 3: about the weird things that Darlene Tanner was saying. This

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01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 3: is it was lonely?

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Speaker 13: Was it lonely?

1370
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Speaker 20: Not being with your former party? Being alone there up

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Speaker 20: in the corner.

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Speaker 12: Not at all.

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Speaker 7: My pronouns are they them?

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Speaker 13: I never walk away?

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Speaker 1: Do you?

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Speaker 3: What I feel like? What I feel like what's just

1377
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: happened is that Darlene has made some intersectional, postmodern diversity

1378
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Speaker 3: comment that will be understood by a roughly about zero

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Speaker 3: point three percent of the New Zealand population and every

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Speaker 3: single academic in the country and the rest of us

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Speaker 3: have no idea what it will mean something. It's just

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Speaker 3: like you're speaking Japanese. I have no idea what just happened.

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Speaker 3: So that's that. I think it's a mental breakdown. I

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Speaker 3: think it's just a very very very very very very

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Speaker 3: very niche explanation for a situation appealing to her voters,

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Speaker 3: which are about three thousand of them. Now, this is

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Speaker 3: the deal that we've got from the Warehouse case. We've

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Speaker 3: got the the offer, the indicative offer to take over

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Speaker 3: the Warehouse Group being valued by this Australian private equity

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Speaker 3: firm that's teamed up with Sir Stephen Tindall one dollar

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Speaker 3: fifty to one dollar seventy a share that that compares

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Speaker 3: to the closing price yesterday of one dollar forty five

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Speaker 3: arts and or what it is today. This values the

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Speaker 3: company at five hundred and ninety million dollars. The question,

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Speaker 3: of course, is is this actually good value for the warehouse.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a chat very shortly to Devon

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Speaker 3: Funds Greg Smith, who's going to be able to tell

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Speaker 3: us whether that's a bargain or not if you're trying

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Speaker 3: to buy yourself a slice of that, like just the

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Speaker 3: entire warehouse group. Also, we're gonna have a chat to

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Speaker 3: Westpac CEO later in the program. You don't often get

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Speaker 3: to talk to Westpac CEO. Actually, I reckon Cathery McGrath

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Speaker 3: may be one of the like she's of the of

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Speaker 3: the bank CEOs, she's the one who probably says the least.

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Speaker 3: So when they when they said they want to talk today,

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Speaker 3: will absolutely let's talk to them. What they want to

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01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 3: talk about is home ownership rates in this country. So

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Speaker 3: at the moment, fewer than sixty percent of us are

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Speaker 3: own our homes. It used to be like seventy five percent,

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Speaker 3: and they reckon that by about twenty fifty or thereabouts,

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Speaker 3: it's going to fall down to fewer than fifty percent

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Speaker 3: of us. So fewer than half of us will own

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Speaker 3: our own homes. And so that setting aside a billion

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Speaker 3: dollars to help people into like lower lower priced homes,

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Speaker 3: you know, like shared equity deals and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a little chat to her about that, and

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Speaker 3: I might just ask her a question about the pay

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Speaker 3: we paywaves stuff because grinds my gears.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, she's with us after half us six used

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Speaker 3: talks that be.

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Speaker 1: What what's down?

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Speaker 5: What were the major calls and how will it affect

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01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 5: the economy of the big business questions on the Business

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Speaker 5: Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen.

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Speaker 3: And my Hr on us Talks V evening coming up

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Speaker 3: in the next hour. Brad Olson's going to talk us

1428
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 3: through the credit card fees and the crackdown. Westpac CEO

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01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 3: is going to talk us through how they're going to

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Speaker 3: help low income kiwis into homes. Then we have Jamie

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Speaker 3: McKay will also head over to the UK right now.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up eight past six. Now the takeover bid

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Speaker 3: for the Warehouse Group that's been backed by Sir Stephen

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Speaker 3: Tindall has made its pitch. Adamanton Capital has offered to

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Speaker 3: buy the business for one dollar fifty to one dollars

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Speaker 3: seventy a share, which values it at about five hundred

1437
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Speaker 3: and ninety million dollars in total. If the deal goes through,

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Speaker 3: the Warehouse will be fully owned by a new entity

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01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 3: that Sir Stephen will then own. Fifty percent of existing

1440
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 3: shareholders will be bought out for cash. Greg Smith is

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Speaker 3: the head of Retail at Devin Funds Management. Hey, Greek,

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Speaker 3: good evening, hit us. It's good value for the shareholders.

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Speaker 28: Oh, I think it looks as well for perhaps with

1444
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 28: Steven Tindall. But yeah, it looks quite opportunistic. I mean

1445
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 28: when you think about it, you know, the Warehouse has

1446
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,439
Speaker 28: struggled like a lot of retailers, which includes nol leaming

1447
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 28: causing pressures. You've seen increased competition with Team, but they've

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Speaker 28: also had problems of their own making we've talked about

1449
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 28: on this program and to their strategic positioning. You know,

1450
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Speaker 28: they've lost this sort of identity or proposition with customers

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,959
Speaker 28: and they've got involved in peripheral businesses like Torpedo seven

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Speaker 28: in the marketplace which have since got rid of so

1453
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Speaker 28: plus even't got a CEO. So yeah, it does seem

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Speaker 28: to be quite opportunistic, particularly if you've got perhaps a

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Speaker 28: ray of light, you know, for the retail sector if

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Speaker 28: we do get that sort of rate cup from OURBNZ

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Speaker 28: in a few months time with inflation for.

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Speaker 3: Them, Yeah, so what do you reckon? The shareholders may

1459
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: be better off to actually hold on to their shares

1460
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 3: and wait for things to bounce back.

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Speaker 28: Well, we've got to see what the independent directors come

1462
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Speaker 28: back with and in terms of you know that they'll

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Speaker 28: get healthy assessment of value and that may leave scope

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01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 28: for a revised off. Obviously, it has a range at

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Speaker 28: the moment of a dollar fifty to a dollar seventy.

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Speaker 28: It does require seventy five percent approval, and obviously the

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Speaker 28: board will sort of give their view on it, and

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Speaker 28: obviously Stephen Tindall and his interests are not part of

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Speaker 28: that seventy five percent. So I think it's probably stay

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Speaker 28: put for now. You know, the shares have rallied from

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Speaker 28: ninety cents to around about a dollar forty today, but

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Speaker 28: if you look at that top end of the offer

1473
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Speaker 28: of a dollar seventy, you know that was where the

1474
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Speaker 28: shares were just back in December, so you'd have to think,

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Speaker 28: you know, it feels it was sort of at or

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Speaker 28: near the bottom. Obviously, Yes, Steven's got some ideas about

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Speaker 28: what he wants to do with the company going forward.

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Speaker 28: Perhaps one of those is a further push into groceries.

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Speaker 28: I mean, it seems to be an area that they're

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Speaker 28: doing quite well at the moment. You would think regular

1481
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 28: as in the government would be receptive to a third

1482
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Speaker 28: player and that certainly got the site footprint to roll

1483
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Speaker 28: it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you reckon it's a good idea to get

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Speaker 3: into the groceryes because it didn't work last time.

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Speaker 28: It didn't work last time, But yeah, it's I don't

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Speaker 28: think it's I think the sort of merint having a

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Speaker 28: crack sort of a game. This feels like there's excuse

1489
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Speaker 28: upon the appetite for doing it. You know, we do

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Speaker 28: as I say it is it's about twenty percent of

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 28: their turnover now, and yeah we're the warehouse obviously is

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Speaker 28: historically not known as somewhere that people go and do

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Speaker 28: their weekly shot. But they've tried it quite successfully, and

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01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 28: Aucklands are dealing in places and they're rolling in out

1495
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 28: sort of nationwide, so it sort of feels like they

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01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 28: have a bit more idea about things this time around,

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Speaker 28: and they have got that footprint there and this also compensate,

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Speaker 28: you know, for the headwinds. You know, the red sheets

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Speaker 28: have been encountering. As I mentioned, they're sort of look

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Speaker 28: stuck in the middle. I supposed when you look at

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01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 28: the retail side between Briscoes and Kmart and then you've

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Speaker 28: got a team whore and the like. So yeah, perhaps

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 28: groceries is going to be the way forward. And you

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 28: know they do sort of sort of get the headlines

1505
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 28: when they sort of make an entrance that will remember

1506
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 28: sort of wheat Bisgate and the five dollar dozen eggs.

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Speaker 28: So you know, I could p teach you sort of

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Speaker 28: ruffle some feathers of the two big players.

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Speaker 3: If he was to get a hold of control again,

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01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: right this is sir Stephen. Do you think he'd want

1511
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 3: to sell off maybe no Leaming or Warehouse Stationary or both.

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01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 28: Yeah, it's quite it's quite a possibility, I think, because

1513
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 28: it's they're not fit in a way. But you know,

1514
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 28: I suppose that it works well at times. When you

1515
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 28: think about COVID nol Leaming did very very well. Everyone

1516
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 28: was sort about shopping and buying big ticket items. Now

1517
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 28: they're not with cost of living pressures and that's sort

1518
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 28: of weather warehouse. You know, if it's sort of cheaper

1519
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 28: ends helping to compensate, but they're not really a logical

1520
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 28: fit in that respect. So perhaps, you know, separating those

1521
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 28: two businesses sort of would be one way to go,

1522
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 28: I think for sir Steve, and obviously he would know better,

1523
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 28: but you know, it sort of feels like a full

1524
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 28: circle moment going back to sort of nineteen eighty two

1525
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 28: and perhaps a swan song in terms of turning the

1526
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 28: business around. But that's again perhaps a reason why you

1527
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 28: existing shihelders might want to sort of stay a bit longer,

1528
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 28: at least hold out for a high price.

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01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, Hey Greg, thank you, always appreciate your expertise.

1530
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 3: It's Greg Smith, the head of retail at Devin Funds Management.

1531
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 3: Wayne may be onto it. Wayne may have explained the

1532
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 3: Darlene conundrum to us Heather by they them. I'm sure

1533
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 3: it was just a joke from Darlene.

1534
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 17: I e.

1535
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 3: Those terms employee imply rather more than one person. Therefore,

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 3: Darleene is not lon Was it lonely?

1537
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 9: Was it lonely not being with your former party being

1538
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,759
Speaker 9: alone there up in the corner?

1539
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: Not at all?

1540
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 6: My pronouns?

1541
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 13: Are they them?

1542
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,480
Speaker 6: I never walk at?

1543
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 3: Do you I actually respect that joke. That's actually quite funny.

1544
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: Twelve past six crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1545
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: It's Heather due to see Allen with the business.

1546
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 2: Hours thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME

1547
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: on News Talks MB.

1548
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay is going to be with us shortly right now.

1549
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: It's quarter past six now. The Commics Commissioner, as we've

1550
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 3: discussed in the show, reckons that Keiwis pay about one

1551
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 3: billion dollars a year on payWave and online credit card fees,

1552
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 3: and the ComCom wants to cap the fees. Reckons it

1553
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 3: could save keys two hundred and fifty million dollars of

1554
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 3: that billion every single year. Brad Olson is Infametrix principal

1555
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,799
Speaker 3: economis day brat good evening. High time for a crackdown,

1556
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 3: isn't it?

1557
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 18: Well, it seems to be.

1558
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 24: I mean we see it.

1559
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 18: I sort of thought we went through this a year

1560
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 18: or two back when all of our credit card earning

1561
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 18: options got slashed back, and there was all this talk

1562
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 18: of greater regulation. But I certainly haven't seen that going

1563
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 18: around the place. Every time you go to pay for something,

1564
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 18: I've got to figure out which of the cards in

1565
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 18: my wallet I can use, which one is going to

1566
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 18: charge me the most? You know, which handwritten sign at

1567
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 18: the CAFA or restaurant I have to pay. And I

1568
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 18: think the challenges is that, having been around the world

1569
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 18: quite a lot so far this year, we do seem

1570
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 18: to be a lot more backwards in our thinking around

1571
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 18: payment systems. You know, many other parts of the world

1572
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 18: you struggle to see a card these days because people

1573
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 18: are using their phones or just tapping their watches or whatever.

1574
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 18: In New Zealand, you're trying to figure out if you're

1575
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 18: using your f coos you dibit your credit which one

1576
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 18: and all of that I think creates you know, greater

1577
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 18: productivity challenges and costs for kiwis.

1578
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, So is there going to be Are there going

1579
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 3: to be any unintended I'm always I'm always reluctant to

1580
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 3: go in for regulation unless it really is warranted, right,

1581
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 3: because of things that can happen as a result. Is

1582
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 3: there any unintended consequence that I'm not seeing here?

1583
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean it's a fair question to ask, you know.

1584
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 18: You know, one of the payment providers has already said,

1585
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 18: you know, they don't think it'll be particularly useful. They

1586
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 18: talk about all of the things that they've already funded,

1587
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 18: the fact that you know, we've got good network reliability,

1588
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 18: you know, some of the anti fraud measures that they

1589
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 18: bring in, the fact that often you can get you know,

1590
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 18: a fair bit of your money back if you are scammed.

1591
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 18: That's important. I don't think that we should lose it.

1592
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 5: Though.

1593
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 18: The idea here isn't that you make no money at

1594
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 18: all from these transactions, that you bring it down a bit,

1595
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 18: So maybe businesses can absorb that cost better and provide

1596
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 18: that sort of option out there KIV. So, yes, I

1597
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 18: think there are some potential and unintended consequences, but I

1598
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 18: really do struggle with the idea that the rest of

1599
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 18: the world can do this and New Zealand can't. Maybe

1600
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 18: we're a little bit too small, But it really does

1601
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 18: seem like a big point of frustration. It's not business's fault,

1602
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 18: you know. They often point out they would love to

1603
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 18: be able to provide that convenient option through to kiwis,

1604
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 18: but it costs them and they've got to somehow pass

1605
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 18: that on. But like I say, I'm really a little

1606
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 18: bit almost surprised and confused. I thought we had this

1607
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 18: conversation a few years ago. We decided we'd do something

1608
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 18: about it. Nothing really seems to have changed.

1609
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 3: As let me explain to you what happened a couple

1610
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 3: of years ago. The law passed a couple of years

1611
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 3: ago that gave them the possibility, gave them the options,

1612
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 3: gave them the tools. This is the Commist commission to

1613
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 3: be able to do this right. And I think they

1614
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 3: kind of put everybody on notice and they were expecting

1615
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 3: some sort of voluntary conduct, you know, and then nothing changed,

1616
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 3: and so now they're taking the steps to actually force it.

1617
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 3: Isn't that basically why you feel like you're having the

1618
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 3: same conversation wise.

1619
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 18: Well, I think that's definitely part of it. I think

1620
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 18: it's also because there are so many flipping fees across

1621
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 18: the place. So I mean back a couple of years back.

1622
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 18: The first thing I think the change is what they

1623
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 18: call the interchange fees, So that has come down. But

1624
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 18: now that this sort of proposal they're looking at is

1625
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 18: what I understand is around the schemes fee. So goodness

1626
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 18: knows how many other sort of hidden things there that

1627
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 18: are down there. But it does seem to be a

1628
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 18: bit of a mirror go around. I'm certainly not feeling

1629
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 18: as a contrumer like we get a good deal out

1630
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 18: of it. Local businesses don't feel like they're getting a

1631
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 18: good deal out of it. So it does seem like

1632
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 18: it's high time do something.

1633
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 3: About Brad Good to talk to you, mate, as always

1634
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 3: really appreciated. That's Brad Olson in for Metric's principal economist.

1635
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: Hither this is from keV Heather. All that's going to

1636
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 3: happen if the interchange goes down is that card feeds

1637
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 3: are going to goes up. We're going to go up.

1638
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 3: It's user pays versus blanket cost. Well, it though, it

1639
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 3: just feels this to me, this feels opportunistic, doesn't it.

1640
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 3: I mean that's kind of that's what we've established, isn't it.

1641
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 3: This is opportunistic. This is just the cream on top.

1642
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 3: So if they put up the credit card feed, it's

1643
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 3: also user pays. Just don't have a credit card anymore,

1644
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 3: you don't actually need one. Do you actually have a

1645
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 3: dipper card instead? Do you know what every single Olympics

1646
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by the detail of what athletes get up

1647
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 3: to when they're there, and the detail that's come out

1648
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 3: of the Paris Olympics today is what these people eat.

1649
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 3: Now the McDonald's sponsorship of the Olympics has expired, so

1650
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 3: it sounds like back in the day they used to

1651
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 3: have McDonald's restaurants and all of the in the village

1652
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. Sounds like you can't get I

1653
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 3: don't think you can get McDonald's in the Olympics village anymore.

1654
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 3: So they have to eat other stuff. By the way,

1655
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 3: that's just as well, because I don't know if you recall,

1656
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 3: but in twenty twelve when they had the London Olympics,

1657
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 3: about one in five of the meals that the athletes

1658
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 3: were eaten with McDonald's, like you know, that's like every

1659
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 3: four of them were eating okay, and then the fifth

1660
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 3: one was just shoving McDonald's into their face. You'd say,

1661
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 3: Bolt reckons he ate about one hundred of those little

1662
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 3: chicken nuggets before he went and won a race. Anyway,

1663
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 3: the French have gone to the other extreme and they

1664
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 3: have decided to get in four Michelin chefs to feed

1665
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: the athletes, and they've got fancy stuff for them like

1666
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 3: artichoke and shavings of cheese, sheep's cheese and truffle and

1667
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But of course the athletes. Just because

1668
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 3: they're athletes does not mean that they're connoisseurs of fine dining,

1669
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 3: so that's not what they want. What they want is porridge.

1670
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 3: That is what Team Great Britain have demanded. They have

1671
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 3: demanded that their menu include porridge because this is the

1672
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 3: thing the athletes can do as well, is they can

1673
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 3: demand to have certain things fed to them. The Koreans

1674
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 3: have demanded kim chi, the Chinese have demanded sticky rice,

1675
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 3: and the Japanese have demanded some sort of skewer. The

1676
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 3: beach volleyball and the taig teams have requested cold meats,

1677
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 3: sandwiches and salads. The rowing teams all require hot buffets.

1678
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 3: The badminton teams, who predominantly come from Asia are apparently

1679
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: not big fans of bread, and apparently any sport that's

1680
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 3: dominated by European delegations want a rather basic English, French,

1681
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 3: or German style catering program. Imagine being the for Michelin

1682
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 3: Star chefs that are there and just heartbroken serving up

1683
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 3: sloppy porridge.

1684
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 5: A six twenty one The Rural Report on the Ether

1685
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 5: Duper se Alum Drive with An's Kofoods.

1686
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

1687
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 3: So just got the liquidator's report into Darlene Tunner's husband's business,

1688
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 3: E Cycles and Z Limited Brackets in liquidation. A statement

1689
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 3: of company's affairs suggests that they have one hundred and

1690
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 3: eighty eight dollars in the bank. I did double check.

1691
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 3: I was like, is that on a thousand? No, that's

1692
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 3: just one hundred and eighty eight dollars in the bank,

1693
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 3: secured creditors of two hundred and thirty three thousand dollars

1694
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,560
Speaker 3: that they owe, and unsecured credit of one hundred and

1695
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 3: eighty thousand dollars. The unsecured creditors IRD and trade creditors,

1696
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 3: and then the secured creditors are employees wages and holiday

1697
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: pay an IRD and so on, which means that they've

1698
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 3: got one hundred and eighty eight dollars and they owe

1699
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 3: four hundred and thirteen thousand dollars. And we haven't got

1700
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 3: any details about the value of the vehicles and the

1701
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 3: stock and the plant and the equipment and stuff. But

1702
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 3: four hundred and thirteen thousand dollars owed? How long does

1703
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 3: she have to work in parliament to pay for that?

1704
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 3: Six twenty four Jamie McKay, Host of the Countries with

1705
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 3: me right now.

1706
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 13: Hey, Jamie, Cat, I hear that, but with pronouns like

1707
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 13: they and them, darling will never walk along?

1708
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 3: Did get the joke the first time round?

1709
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 13: Well, I think the whole thing's a joke, to be

1710
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 13: perfectly honest. I think anyone with the pronoun of they

1711
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 13: or them is a bit of a joke. But I'm

1712
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 13: old school, so I'm the wrong person to ask.

1713
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's a generational thing. I think there. Hey, listen,

1714
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 3: so the Rural.

1715
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 24: Food Charity hang on that stage.

1716
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 3: Just I was trying to give you a slipper, like

1717
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 3: an easy way to get out of the whole. You

1718
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 3: were digging yourself, Jamie, would you like me to help

1719
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 3: you to dig it further? We can carry on.

1720
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 13: I'm quite happy with the depths.

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Speaker 24: I got to thank you fair enough.

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01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: Just a good grave death day. Listen, meet the need.

1723
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 3: This is the Rural Food Charity. They want a massive

1724
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: one million dollars one million meals.

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Speaker 13: What is this for, Well, it's for food banks around

1726
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 13: the country. This is a wonderful organization. It was originally

1727
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 13: set up by Wayne Langford, I know, who's a regular

1728
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 13: on your show. President of Federated Farmers and a wonderful

1729
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 13: woman by the name of Shivorn O'Malley on the west coast.

1730
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 13: It's grown into a New Zealand farmer lead charity donating livestock,

1731
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 13: milk and cash and they're basically turning all that into

1732
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 13: mints and milk for families. You know, the stats are

1733
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 13: awful for food deprivation in this country. Heather, we were

1734
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 13: once the land of milk and honey. We're one on

1735
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 13: five families run out of food sometimes or often. Demand

1736
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 13: on food banks this year has increased by forty percent.

1737
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 13: These guys have delivered over two million meals to New

1738
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 13: Zealanders in need since twenty twenty. And they've got this

1739
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 13: lofty aim. I don't know whether they'll get there, but

1740
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 13: it's certainly a lofty goal. One million meals they want

1741
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 13: to raise this week. That's two hundred and fifty thousand

1742
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 13: letters of milk they need to help do this. That's

1743
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 13: five hundred farmers donating five hundred liters each. So if

1744
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 13: you have some spare cash or you want to help

1745
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,799
Speaker 13: out of family in need because this is giving them protein,

1746
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 13: go to meet the Need dot Org.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very good Jamie. Hey, listen, you ever heard

1748
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 3: of spring Sheet before?

1749
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 13: Yes, I have. In fact, the marketing guy there is

1750
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 13: the young well, it's all relative heather. He's a young

1751
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 13: bloke by the name of Thomas McDonald who was a

1752
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 13: winner of the Zander MacDonald or way back in about

1753
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 13: twenty nineteen. I think they're quite a dynamic company. They're

1754
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 13: milking sheep mainly in the White Hatto. I think they've

1755
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 13: got some farms down on Talpo as well, and they've

1756
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 13: had a big breakthrough in China. They've basically managed to

1757
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 13: gain brand registration, which is very difficult to do for

1758
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 13: their infant formula. Chief ex executive Nick Hammond said the

1759
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 13: deal was highly significant and exciting. I'll put some numbers

1760
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 13: around this for your spring sheep at the stage only

1761
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 13: has fifteen suppliers milking just over fifteen thousand news we

1762
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 13: can expect twenty five thousand lambs to be born over

1763
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 13: the next month. They'll be kept on mum and raised

1764
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 13: while a mum is being milked, so that's a better story,

1765
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 13: for instance, than perhaps the dairy industry. They have a

1766
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 13: lower environmental footprint than the dairy industry. Prior to receiving

1767
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 13: this registration in China, they could only sell theirant formula

1768
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 13: through online channels. Now they've got and through their English brand.

1769
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 13: Now they can sell under a Chinese label and tell

1770
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 13: the good news story of New Zealand grass fed sheep milk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very very cool. Hey, Jamie, thank you very much.

1772
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 3: Look after yourself. Jamie mackay, who is the host of

1773
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 3: the Country. We're going to talk to westbac CEO Katherine

1774
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 3: mcgrag just after the news Just coming up very shortly.

1775
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 3: There's another just draw to your attention, another drive by

1776
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 3: shooting in Auckland this morning. So there was one on Saturday,

1777
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 3: there was one this morning. This one beech Haven on

1778
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: the North Shore about six thirty. It sounds like they

1779
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 3: fired shots at a house but also at a car

1780
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 3: and in the car was a trade and the neighbors

1781
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 3: came out. They counted around six bullet holes in the car,

1782
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 3: including in the windscreen. It found a bunch of bullet

1783
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 3: casings on the ground and the trading wasn't hurt. I'm

1784
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 3: starting to think that the stuff is gang related because

1785
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 3: at the weekend it was that the house that was

1786
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 3: fired at was the mum of a gang boss and

1787
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 3: it's like not that much outrage about it. So that's

1788
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 3: what I thinks up. Headline's next.

1789
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: Scrunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplice

1790
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 2: Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR the

1791
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 2: HL platform for SME on us talks EDB.

1792
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 13: You know, we.

1793
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 3: Are literally days away from the Paris Olympics kicking off,

1794
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 3: and it is hot in Paris and I don't know

1795
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 3: if you've been to Paris when it's heart, but it

1796
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: is not a good time. Those guys do not have

1797
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 3: a thing called air conditioning and they just make your suffer.

1798
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 3: And it is a lot of concrete, a lot of

1799
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 3: concrete just radiating that heat back at Yes. So anyway,

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01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 3: Vincent mcaviny, our UK correspondent, will give us it just

1801
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 3: a bit of an update very shortly on how things

1802
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: are going over there and the lead up to it.

1803
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1804
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 3: I mean, we've kind of tough touched on this a bit,

1805
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 3: but I don't know if we've given you the full

1806
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 3: kind of experience of how tough a day it was

1807
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,759
Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill for the Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle

1808
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 3: today because both the Democrats and the Republicans in the

1809
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: House of Representatives had a crack at her basically said

1810
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 3: she needs to resign for failing to prevent the assassination

1811
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 3: attempt on Donald Trump. She has publicly said that the

1812
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 3: incident was a failure by the Secret Service, so she's,

1813
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 3: you know, taking responsibility, and she says the buck stops

1814
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 3: with her. But then today the House Oversight and Accountability

1815
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 3: Committee called those words hollow and accused her of failing

1816
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 3: to really show any accountability accountability. And this is what

1817
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 3: she had to deal with. This is Representative Nancy Mace

1818
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 3: from South Carolina.

1819
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 14: Have you provided all audio and verio recordings in your

1820
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 14: possession to this committee as we asked on July fifteenth,

1821
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 14: Yes or no.

1822
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 3: I would have to get back to you.

1823
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 21: That is a no.

1824
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 14: You're full of shit today. You're just being completely dishonest.

1825
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 14: You are being dishonest or lying. I just you're being

1826
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 14: dishonest here with this committee. These are important questions that

1827
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 14: the American people want answers to, and you're just you're

1828
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 14: just dodging and talking.

1829
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 3: Around it in generalities.

1830
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 14: And we had a subpoena you to be here and

1831
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 14: you won't even answer the questions we have asked you

1832
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,839
Speaker 14: repeatedly to answer our questions.

1833
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 3: This isn't hard.

1834
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 14: These are not hard questions.

1835
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Speaker 3: This is Representative Pet Falloon of Texas, who says you

1836
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 3: can't understand why the Secret Service didn't secure the rooftop

1837
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 3: that the shoot used.

1838
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 15: I have never had any long gun training in my life.

1839
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 15: I own an AR fifteen and last time I shot it,

1840
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 15: I shot it one time. My whole life was six

1841
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 15: years ago. That isn't ntil Saturday where we recreated the

1842
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 15: events in Savoy, Texas, where you recreated what happened to

1843
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 15: about her. I was lying prone on a slope roof

1844
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 15: at one hundred and thirty yards at six thirty at night,

1845
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 15: and I knew that he had a scope, but I

1846
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 15: know a kind red dot or so I shot eight

1847
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 15: rounds from both.

1848
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 17: You know what.

1849
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 15: The result was fifteen out of sixteen kill shots and

1850
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 15: the one I missed would have hit the President's ear.

1851
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 15: That's a ninety four percent success rate. And that shooter

1852
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 15: was a better shot than me. It is a miracle

1853
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 15: President Trump wasn't killed.

1854
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,520
Speaker 3: He has Representative Andy Biggs of Arizona.

1855
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 29: What did the Technical Services Division determine was going to

1856
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 29: be the event?

1857
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 12: Perimeter.

1858
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 3: Those are questions that we are asking, and we're I mean, you're.

1859
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 29: Sitting here today. Come on, director, everybody said this. You

1860
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 29: knew you were going to be asked that question because

1861
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 29: it's been asked multiple times. So this is an easy one.

1862
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 29: What did they determine what's going to be the event perimeter?

1863
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 3: So you should know that.

1864
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 28: I mean, this is not you.

1865
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 29: I gotta wait till someone else tells me what was it.

1866
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 13: Again?

1867
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 7: I don't want to speak to specifics of the event.

1868
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 29: Hey, this is a specific. I understand, this is a

1869
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 29: specific that you ought to know. As someone who said

1870
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 29: the buck stops with me, I'm going to stay in

1871
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 29: my job. I'm going to give the answers to the

1872
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 29: American people, and I know what happened, except for you're

1873
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 29: not going to tell us.

1874
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 8: You're not going to tell the American people.

1875
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 29: And you yourself said in an interview that that foments

1876
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 29: this notion of conspiracy theories. Guess what, when you sit

1877
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 29: here and repeatedly tell people, hey, I have to wait,

1878
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 29: it undermines your credibility and whether you're really going to

1879
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 29: get to it.

1880
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 3: Bet your day was better than hers. Heather duplessy Ela

1881
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 3: so fewer than sixty percent of us now own our

1882
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 3: own homes. Now, apparently that is going to fall even lower,

1883
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 3: to below fifty percent by twenty fifty. This is according

1884
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 3: to new research that's been commissioned by Westpac. So the

1885
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 3: bank is now going to make it easier for low

1886
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 3: to middle income owners to buy houses via shared equity,

1887
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 3: leasehold or rent to buy schemes. And Katherine McGrath is

1888
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 3: Westpac's chief executive.

1889
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Speaker 24: Hey Catherine, Hi, Heather, how are you?

1890
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So what's the planning you

1891
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 3: guys going to lend a billion bucks over the next

1892
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 3: three years to community housing providers?

1893
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 9: We absolutely want to, and we want to lend more

1894
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 9: than that a possible. We're a big believer in home

1895
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 9: ownership bring a real range of benefits and it's critical

1896
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 9: that we look at different ways of doing that because

1897
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 9: home ownership is increasingly becoming less affordable for more New Zealanders.

1898
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 3: So how much demand is there from these community housing providers.

1899
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 9: Well, we're starting to see increasing levels of demand as

1900
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 9: potential home buyers understand that there are cheaper ways of

1901
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 9: getting into their own first home. But in order to

1902
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 9: do that, you need to be prepared to think about

1903
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 9: some of those different models like shared equity and leasehold

1904
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 9: because it makes it more affordable.

1905
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 3: Can you quantify the demand? I mean, if you guys

1906
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 3: are talking about lending a billion, is the demand a billion?

1907
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 3: Is it ten? One hundred?

1908
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 9: Well, what our research estimates is that one hundred and

1909
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 9: fifty two thousand KIVI households could be eligible for these

1910
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 9: sorts of shared ownership past days, but only a third

1911
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 9: of the people are aware of the option, and so

1912
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 9: we want to get this profile up the more people

1913
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 9: know that there are a range of options for them.

1914
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 3: How much are you stepping it up, right to get

1915
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 3: to a billion if billion over the next three years.

1916
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 3: How much have you done in the last three years.

1917
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 9: Sorry, don't have that at the top of my fingers,

1918
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 9: but we think that's a good stretching target.

1919
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 3: But as I said, I'd really love to do quite

1920
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 3: a bit more than that, because the reason I'm asking

1921
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 3: these questions is because while a billion sounds like a

1922
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 3: lot in terms of your lending, it really isn't right.

1923
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 3: I mean, the three years you did forty five billion

1924
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 3: of new mortgages home first time buyers, thirty four billion

1925
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 3: of business loans, for commercial property.

1926
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 9: So it's kind of small, isn't it, But it's it's

1927
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 9: a growing area and there are a number of different

1928
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 9: ways of getting into it. And so we think the

1929
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 9: target for this particular type of lending, it's a good target,

1930
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 9: and it's putting a profile on something that we can

1931
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 9: do with some light being shot on.

1932
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then what else are you prepared to do?

1933
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 3: Are you prepared to perhaps lower the interest rates, take

1934
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 3: on more risks, do anything like that.

1935
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Speaker 9: So firstly, we've already changed our risk appetite in terms

1936
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Speaker 9: of how we think about lending to community housing providers,

1937
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 9: so that's been an important thing. We've already made some

1938
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 9: graph changes in terms of how we assess the lending

1939
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 9: for the individuals because obviously if you're lending over these

1940
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 9: hold or shed equity, different to the traditional model. And

1941
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 9: then finally, as we see more barriers come up, whether

1942
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 9: it's to do with rest, caapatite or anything else, then

1943
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 9: we will walk our way through it, because what we'd

1944
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 9: really like to be able to do is to simply say, yes.

1945
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Speaker 3: How do you feel about the Commerce Commission? You will

1946
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,560
Speaker 3: have seen this by now Commerce Commission looking into the

1947
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Speaker 3: old payway fees.

1948
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Speaker 9: I think it's great that the Commerce Commission looks into

1949
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 9: whether they think kiwis are getting good value, and so

1950
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Speaker 9: we'll read the report with interest.

1951
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Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Do you reckon we getting good value?

1952
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Speaker 9: Sorry haven't I've seen the headlines, but I haven't been

1953
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Speaker 9: able to look at it in detail.

1954
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Speaker 3: I mean, because you guys, this is your bread and

1955
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 3: butter as a bank, what do you reckon?

1956
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Speaker 9: I think what they're particular looking at is the visa

1957
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 9: and master cared vies, So that's not an area that

1958
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 9: I've spent a lot of time time looking into.

1959
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Speaker 3: Do you have any view on when we're going to

1960
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Speaker 3: get an OCR cut?

1961
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Speaker 9: So our economists are saying that that will happen in November,

1962
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 9: like he keeping of mortgages. I'm hoping it could be

1963
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 9: earlier than that, but the currently the Westpac things view

1964
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Speaker 9: as November.

1965
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Catherine, Okay, So I mean it wasn't that long ago, right,

1966
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Speaker 3: It was just a few weeks ago that we were

1967
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 3: talking about May at the earliest. Maybe some were saying February,

1968
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 3: and anybody calling November was an outlier. Right now, the

1969
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 3: consensus seems to be November. You reckon? It could be

1970
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Speaker 3: even earlier.

1971
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Speaker 9: Well, I think some in the market are saying that

1972
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 9: it could be. And what's great is I think there

1973
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 9: was this bank as responding to what they can see

1974
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 9: happening in the market and the data that we've got.

1975
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 9: So the CPI getting that close to three percent in

1976
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 9: the most recent announcement, I think is telling us that

1977
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 9: things are changing at reasonable pace and it's good to

1978
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 9: see that the tone of the rbns has changed reflecting

1979
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 9: some of that new data that's coming out.

1980
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Speaker 3: Are you seeing people with lending with you guys having

1981
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 3: a bit of a tough.

1982
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:07,839
Speaker 9: Time, We've been able to see a steady a steady

1983
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 9: increase in terms of people finding it a bit tougher.

1984
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 9: What we're definitely seeing is that homeowners, as far as possible,

1985
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 9: are prioritizing those mortgage payments. But you can definitely see

1986
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 9: strain coming through the system for homeowners and the sectors

1987
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 9: that are particularly impacted areas like hospitality and the fact

1988
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 9: that our retail cards vend has gone backwards for five

1989
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 9: months in New Zealand is telling you that all of

1990
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 9: us are just tightening our belts a bit, and that

1991
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Speaker 9: obviously hasn't real impact on those industries.

1992
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Hey, Catherine, thank you so much, really

1993
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Speaker 3: appreciated a lovely talk to you. That's Katherine McGrath, wespec's

1994
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Speaker 3: chief executive.

1995
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Speaker 1: Right.

1996
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the UK next quarter too.

1997
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Speaker 5: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1998
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 5: on the Business Our with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

1999
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Speaker 5: the HR platform for SME US talks.

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Speaker 3: B Vincent mcavinie is our UK correspondent, Evening Evanson.

2001
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Speaker 8: Good morning, oh, good afternoon indeed for you.

2002
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, hey, listen, what was the price tag for

2003
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 3: that Rwanda scheme that deported like absolutely no.

2004
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 19: One seven hundred million pounds. This was a scheme that

2005
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 19: the last government, the Conservative governments, set up. They were

2006
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 19: trying to deter the small boat's crossings in the Channel.

2007
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 19: They struck this deal sort of based on what Australia

2008
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:26,600
Speaker 19: had done in the past decade to send people immediately

2009
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 19: to Rwanda for processing and then they would have ended

2010
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 19: up living in Rwanda, not here in Britain. And they

2011
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 19: blew money obviously on hundreds of civil servants working on it,

2012
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 19: but also charted jets that never went anywhere because commercial

2013
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 19: airlines refused to do this. Scheme and then setting up

2014
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 19: accommodation in Rwanda as well. The new government has now

2015
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 19: scrapped this, but it was a pretty hefty bill which

2016
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 19: they say over the next ten years would have cost

2017
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Speaker 19: billions and only a few hundred people would have been

2018
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 19: sent there, and we saw with the figures every year increasing,

2019
01:32:57,439 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 19: it simply wasn't deterring anyone.

2020
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Speaker 3: That's amazing has Paris looking Is it looking okay?

2021
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 19: Well, I'm heading there on Friday for a couple of days.

2022
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 19: It's really exciting to have the Games back in Europe.

2023
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 19: It seems like they've got the preparations done pretty well.

2024
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 19: They didn't have huge building projects. Their whole method has

2025
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 19: been to sort of reuse refurbish previous centers that they

2026
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 19: could use for the game, so it's not like London

2027
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 19: where we sort of rebuilt half the East End. The

2028
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 19: only thing they've had to do is the Olympic Village.

2029
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 19: So they look like they're prepared. But there has been

2030
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 19: some disquiet. A French radical left France Unbowed MP has

2031
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 19: sparked outrage saying that Israeli athletes are not welcome in

2032
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 19: the city. Of course, following the war in Gaza, but

2033
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 19: He's drawn sharp criticism from many of his countrymen, saying

2034
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 19: that that is not true.

2035
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Speaker 3: Is security quite a big concern this time around?

2036
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 16: It?

2037
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 3: But it often is what about this time?

2038
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is a big concern.

2039
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 19: We saw this in the Euros here in the past

2040
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 19: month in Germany where there was strict security for the

2041
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 19: first time as well. They had checks on their road

2042
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 19: borders in decades going in and out of the country.

2043
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 8: And we think there's a massive operation.

2044
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 19: In France, the opening ceremony, which is on the Sene River,

2045
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 19: a very open event, has been scaled back. It was

2046
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 19: going to be the whole city could come and watch,

2047
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 19: but now it's only in designated areas because they are

2048
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 19: concerned about security, particularly in the wake of that war

2049
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 19: in the Middle East between Israel and Hamatts.

2050
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 8: They think the threat level has gone up.

2051
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,759
Speaker 3: I see the temperatures hovering somewhere in the late twenties

2052
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 3: at the moment, early thirties. What have you got any

2053
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 3: plans for escaping the heat while you're there?

2054
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, there's not much you can do in

2055
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 8: Paris in the summer. There's very little ac so it

2056
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 8: might be a bit sticky.

2057
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 3: It's not going to be very pleasant. Now, listen, why

2058
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,560
Speaker 3: is it that Richie Sunek has put a deadline on

2059
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 3: a November before when he will continue his run as

2060
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,440
Speaker 3: the leader of the Conservatives.

2061
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 19: Well, the Conservatives trying to have a long process to

2062
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 19: elect their leader of the opposition. It's an official position

2063
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 19: here in the British Parliament. And they've made this mistake

2064
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 19: in the last time they did this process where they

2065
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 19: ended up having Liz Truss versus Richie Sunac. It was

2066
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 19: felt like the campaign then was a bit of a mess.

2067
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 19: So they've wanted to take the time to set proper

2068
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 19: rules to let everyone recover of it from the election

2069
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 19: before they had to get their nominations in on Wednesday.

2070
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,759
Speaker 19: They will then have all that time, including their party

2071
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,600
Speaker 19: conference rights in the middle of it, to have a

2072
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 19: proper campaign, a proper debate and talk they want about

2073
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 19: the direction of the party. And so Richie Szunac has

2074
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 19: agreed to stay in position until the second of November

2075
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 19: when that new person will take over. It's interesting there

2076
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 19: was a lot of thought that if Richie Sunac had

2077
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 19: lost his seat, for instance, he'd be on the first

2078
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 19: plane out to California with his wife and family. He

2079
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 19: said he will stick around. He did get re elected

2080
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 19: as an MP. He said he will stick around. I

2081
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 19: think part of it is wanting to combat that narrative

2082
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 19: that he's going to disappear from these shores pretty quickly.

2083
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 3: Vincent Listen was great to chat to you. Thank you

2084
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 3: very much. I will share to you in a couple

2085
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 3: of days. Again, that's Vincent Mecavinie l UK correspondent Vincent.

2086
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 3: And for Inda, what's in THEO doing holiday? Where Agamera

2087
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 3: Lagumera is that in Spain? It's an island in Spain's

2088
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 3: that's what ends doing with his life, Lagomera and island

2089
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 3: in Spain. I think we're all going to live vicariously

2090
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 3: through enda while we sit here in our ten degree

2091
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 3: weather at the moment. And let's be honest. When I

2092
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 3: say ten degrees, that's Auckland weather down south it's like

2093
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 3: negative ten eight away from seven.

2094
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 5: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

2095
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 5: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

2096
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 5: the HR platform for SME used Talk sat B.

2097
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

2098
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

2099
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME US talk sat B Hither.

2100
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 3: There are a couple of issues with the credit card

2101
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 3: sur charges, and the first is obviously what the credit

2102
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 3: card companies are charging stores, But the other is what

2103
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 3: the retail and the hospitality places are charging the public.

2104
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 3: I own an hospitality hospitality place. We don't charge a

2105
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 3: sur charge on cards. It's in our pricing. It's the

2106
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 3: cost of doing business. Look, here's the thing I actually

2107
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 3: don't begrudge. I don't begrudge the retailer for passing it

2108
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 3: on to me, because these charges are ridiculous, right, They're

2109
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 3: obviously a swindle, as the consumer guys have named them,

2110
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 3: called them, which is basically short of calling them araut

2111
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 3: And so I wo'd rather the re retailer and the

2112
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 3: hospitality guy I didn't have to absorbit because I think

2113
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 3: it's unfair. So pass it on to me by all means,

2114
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 3: and I'll make a decision about whether I want to

2115
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 3: use it or not, which is that I don't. And

2116
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 3: I look forward to the Commerce Commission getting rid of

2117
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 3: it now. Donald Trump. One of my favorite parts about

2118
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 3: the debate, which we hardly actually talked about, was Donald

2119
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 3: Trump and Joe Biden, You've got to go and listen

2120
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 3: to it if you haven't basically giving each other hard

2121
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 3: time over golf. And Donald Trump was talking about how

2122
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 3: great his swing is. You are now going to be

2123
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,560
Speaker 3: able to see in great detail whether his swing is

2124
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 3: great because Bryson Deschambeau has played golf with Donald Trump

2125
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 3: and the video of it is going to drop in

2126
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 3: the next twenty four hours. This is what Bryson does, right.

2127
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 3: He plays golf with celebrities and golf influences and stuff,

2128
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 3: and then what he gets them to do is play

2129
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 3: eighteen holes in fewer than fifty strokes and then he

2130
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,640
Speaker 3: puts it on his YouTube series. And Trump is the

2131
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 3: latest one, so he is going to that's going up

2132
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 3: in twenty four hours. I'm going to spend time watching that. Apparently,

2133
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 3: according to Bryson, it's time for the president to show

2134
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 3: what he has got too write.

2135
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 25: And I'm still hopeful that the Biden one might have

2136
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 25: and now that Biden will have free time as well,

2137
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 25: that would be a nice way to show you unity.

2138
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 3: And Biden has forgotten already that he laid the challenge.

2139
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 25: I think it was Trump who laid the challenge after

2140
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 25: that as well. Said any time anywhere. With their second debate,

2141
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 25: we're going to go with the girl, so confusing version

2142
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 25: with Lord by Charlie XCX to play us out tonight

2143
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,639
Speaker 25: Beyond being in the news because she has dubbed Karmla

2144
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 25: Khan an official brat, Charlie XCX has also revealed how

2145
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 25: this version of the song with Lord came about. She

2146
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 25: said it was actually Lord's idea. She spent about a

2147
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,640
Speaker 25: year trying to have a meeting with Lord to tell her, Hey,

2148
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 25: I'm making a song about how I secretly kind of

2149
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Speaker 25: hate you. I hope that's okay. Eventually gave up and

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Speaker 25: just sent her a voice note the day before the

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Speaker 25: song went out, and then when Lord heard it, she's like, wow,

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Speaker 25: this is abang it. Can I Can I be on

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Speaker 25: a version with you? And she was like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 25: a great idea, let's do it, and then they put

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Speaker 25: it together in three days. Apparently, really, does she actually

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Speaker 25: hate nor? No, Well, it's kind of what the song's about.

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Speaker 25: It's like it's about you know, how you have that

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Speaker 25: friend and you're really good friends and you get on

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Speaker 25: really well, but you sort of wonder if you secretly

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Speaker 25: hate them and you're jealous of them, and then whether

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Speaker 25: they secretly.

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Speaker 3: Hate you and a jail who's your friend like that?

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Speaker 17: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Probably?

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Speaker 25: I have set up producer Kensey. Actually anyway, work just

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Speaker 25: got all what Jez and see you tomorrow.

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