1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,507 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,587 --> 00:00:16,547 Speaker 2: EDB Phoenix head coach gian Carlo Italiano has resigned from 4 00:00:16,587 --> 00:00:17,987 Speaker 2: his position to. 5 00:00:17,987 --> 00:00:19,227 Speaker 3: Lose five Neil at home. 6 00:00:20,027 --> 00:00:22,707 Speaker 1: You know, with you know the season still to playfall 7 00:00:22,747 --> 00:00:25,107 Speaker 1: is unacceptable and I take full responsibility, you know. 8 00:00:25,227 --> 00:00:26,987 Speaker 3: So you know, I've told the club. 9 00:00:26,747 --> 00:00:30,707 Speaker 1: Ago look tended my resignation and you know, I think, 10 00:00:30,827 --> 00:00:33,147 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's easier for someone to come in 11 00:00:33,347 --> 00:00:36,507 Speaker 1: and just with new energy and refocus the group. 12 00:00:36,707 --> 00:00:40,347 Speaker 2: There was Giancarlo Italiano in his post match press conference 13 00:00:40,427 --> 00:00:43,627 Speaker 2: last night, which as it turns out, was his last one. 14 00:00:43,627 --> 00:00:45,787 Speaker 2: Now we've been in touch with Wellington Phoenix this morning 15 00:00:46,307 --> 00:00:48,427 Speaker 2: to try and arrange a chat with somebody from the club. 16 00:00:48,467 --> 00:00:51,947 Speaker 2: But understandably the day after this they are a bit 17 00:00:51,987 --> 00:00:54,707 Speaker 2: busy as they chart the way forward. Lots of meetings 18 00:00:54,747 --> 00:00:59,547 Speaker 2: going on with players and the remaining coaches and everybody 19 00:00:59,547 --> 00:01:02,147 Speaker 2: involved in the decision making. They've got to of course 20 00:01:02,947 --> 00:01:05,227 Speaker 2: find a new person to take over, so that will 21 00:01:05,267 --> 00:01:07,187 Speaker 2: be taking up a lot of that today. We are 22 00:01:07,267 --> 00:01:11,187 Speaker 2: expecting to hear from the club tomorrow about who will 23 00:01:11,187 --> 00:01:15,227 Speaker 2: replace Gianclo Italiano and get some more background on what 24 00:01:15,347 --> 00:01:17,587 Speaker 2: played out over the last twenty four hours or so. 25 00:01:17,947 --> 00:01:20,627 Speaker 2: In the meantime, former Phoenix and All Whites goalkeeper and 26 00:01:20,627 --> 00:01:25,187 Speaker 2: now Skysport commentator and analyst Jacob Spoonley is with us 27 00:01:25,387 --> 00:01:29,347 Speaker 2: on Weekend Sport. Jacob, was this a surprise when you 28 00:01:29,467 --> 00:01:31,667 Speaker 2: heard this news last night or did it feel in 29 00:01:31,707 --> 00:01:33,427 Speaker 2: some ways inevitable. 30 00:01:35,067 --> 00:01:38,227 Speaker 3: It's a good question, Bini, and I think in the 31 00:01:38,267 --> 00:01:41,667 Speaker 3: circumstances as we moved into around about the sixty seventy 32 00:01:41,707 --> 00:01:46,267 Speaker 3: minute mark in the derby, when you are suffering that 33 00:01:46,307 --> 00:01:49,627 Speaker 3: sort of loss at home and in such a game 34 00:01:49,667 --> 00:01:55,507 Speaker 3: of status of magnitude, suggestion that these sorts of conversations 35 00:01:55,547 --> 00:01:58,307 Speaker 3: will occur now, the speed with which has happened, I 36 00:01:58,347 --> 00:02:04,587 Speaker 3: think that's been something that we weren't anticipating. But I 37 00:02:04,627 --> 00:02:07,427 Speaker 3: think that's selfless in a lot of ways. From Jean 38 00:02:07,467 --> 00:02:11,627 Speaker 3: Carlo Taliano in his post match press conference, he did 39 00:02:11,787 --> 00:02:16,307 Speaker 3: note that this is a group that is designed and 40 00:02:16,427 --> 00:02:19,267 Speaker 3: does have the parts to still make the six, and 41 00:02:19,267 --> 00:02:21,747 Speaker 3: in many ways, what he's doing is he's allowing someone 42 00:02:21,787 --> 00:02:25,467 Speaker 3: else the opportunity to get the Knicks into the six 43 00:02:25,867 --> 00:02:26,427 Speaker 3: this season. 44 00:02:27,107 --> 00:02:30,267 Speaker 2: Do you think if he hadn't resigned that that decision 45 00:02:30,347 --> 00:02:33,587 Speaker 2: might have been made for him by those higher up 46 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:34,387 Speaker 2: of the football club. 47 00:02:36,187 --> 00:02:39,187 Speaker 3: I'm not sure, and that's always a conversation for the 48 00:02:39,267 --> 00:02:42,547 Speaker 3: likes of Rob Morrison, David Dome and Sean Gill, and 49 00:02:43,347 --> 00:02:47,987 Speaker 3: every club will have different criteria and I have different priorities. 50 00:02:48,427 --> 00:02:52,107 Speaker 3: With Auckland, it's very clear that there is a focus 51 00:02:52,147 --> 00:02:55,707 Speaker 3: on winning, on bringing silverware, on being commercially successful, so 52 00:02:55,787 --> 00:03:00,107 Speaker 3: the KPIs will attach to that. With the Phoenix there's 53 00:03:00,507 --> 00:03:02,547 Speaker 3: potentially other priorities, and we do know that they're a 54 00:03:02,547 --> 00:03:05,747 Speaker 3: club that is perhaps more focused on player development and 55 00:03:05,827 --> 00:03:09,067 Speaker 3: John color Tealiano has done that, especially in his first 56 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:12,147 Speaker 3: year of coaching. We saw the development of the likes 57 00:03:12,147 --> 00:03:16,307 Speaker 3: of Alex Paulson being old and Finn Sermon. So I 58 00:03:16,347 --> 00:03:18,387 Speaker 3: always like, and this is just my personal view, to 59 00:03:18,467 --> 00:03:21,547 Speaker 3: leave those sorts of things alone, because they are difficult conversations, 60 00:03:21,587 --> 00:03:24,747 Speaker 3: having been involved in them in the past, and they 61 00:03:24,787 --> 00:03:27,227 Speaker 3: need to be handled with care and I think importantly 62 00:03:27,307 --> 00:03:28,507 Speaker 3: happen behind closed doors. 63 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:31,387 Speaker 2: No fair enough, fair enough. You've been part of a 64 00:03:31,427 --> 00:03:35,147 Speaker 2: lot of football teams and you often either phrase the 65 00:03:35,227 --> 00:03:38,827 Speaker 2: coach has lost the dressing room. I think everybody understands 66 00:03:38,827 --> 00:03:41,227 Speaker 2: what it means. You don't, of course have access to 67 00:03:41,307 --> 00:03:45,067 Speaker 2: this dressing room. But when something like that does happen, 68 00:03:45,147 --> 00:03:48,427 Speaker 2: how difficult is it for the coach to I guess, 69 00:03:48,507 --> 00:03:51,187 Speaker 2: win back the dressing room. How challenging is that. 70 00:03:52,547 --> 00:03:57,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's arguably the first slip in the avalanche, 71 00:03:57,667 --> 00:04:00,467 Speaker 3: if you will, and I don't think there's any coming 72 00:04:00,547 --> 00:04:03,587 Speaker 3: back from that at that point. If the coach has 73 00:04:03,587 --> 00:04:06,787 Speaker 3: lost the dressing room, then it's either a decent chunk 74 00:04:06,827 --> 00:04:09,027 Speaker 3: of the players will need to be moved on or 75 00:04:09,027 --> 00:04:11,187 Speaker 3: the coach will be need to be moved on. And 76 00:04:12,187 --> 00:04:14,867 Speaker 3: often it's simple maths. It's easier to move one on 77 00:04:14,987 --> 00:04:17,947 Speaker 3: than it is to move many. But that said, I 78 00:04:17,987 --> 00:04:24,347 Speaker 3: don't think we saw the players stop fighting for Italiano. 79 00:04:24,947 --> 00:04:28,547 Speaker 3: I think that this wasn't working and that they were 80 00:04:29,027 --> 00:04:31,307 Speaker 3: trying hard. But if you look at their home form, 81 00:04:31,387 --> 00:04:33,787 Speaker 3: which should be the staple, it should be the foundation 82 00:04:33,827 --> 00:04:37,707 Speaker 3: for a Wellington Phoenix season. Over the last six games, 83 00:04:38,227 --> 00:04:42,347 Speaker 3: they've conceded on average around two to three goals per 84 00:04:42,387 --> 00:04:45,187 Speaker 3: game and that's not good enough for a side that 85 00:04:45,787 --> 00:04:48,347 Speaker 3: and I say this wholeheardly should be involved in the 86 00:04:48,387 --> 00:04:51,147 Speaker 3: conversations for the top six. They need to rely on 87 00:04:51,187 --> 00:04:54,027 Speaker 3: their home form, and importantly they need to deny opposition 88 00:04:54,147 --> 00:04:55,707 Speaker 3: that are coming to the Capitol. 89 00:04:55,707 --> 00:04:58,107 Speaker 2: Just on the playing group. Obviously, you know it's off 90 00:04:58,107 --> 00:04:59,547 Speaker 2: on the case, isn't it. If you're doing well, the 91 00:04:59,547 --> 00:05:02,067 Speaker 2: players get all the credit. But when things aren't going well, 92 00:05:02,067 --> 00:05:05,907 Speaker 2: it's the coach who is on the chopping block. How 93 00:05:05,947 --> 00:05:09,467 Speaker 2: do you think the players will be feeling this morning. 94 00:05:11,627 --> 00:05:15,107 Speaker 3: I don't think this is quarantine to the coach. This 95 00:05:15,187 --> 00:05:18,507 Speaker 3: is a very much a collective effort and responsibility in 96 00:05:18,547 --> 00:05:22,427 Speaker 3: a lot of ways. And the players all have their phones, 97 00:05:22,467 --> 00:05:24,947 Speaker 3: they're all well aware of social media, and it's not 98 00:05:25,027 --> 00:05:27,787 Speaker 3: necessarily just the result yesterday, but it's the nature of 99 00:05:27,827 --> 00:05:30,707 Speaker 3: the result, how the goals went in, and also how 100 00:05:30,747 --> 00:05:34,587 Speaker 3: many there were, and that'll be affecting everybody involved in 101 00:05:34,627 --> 00:05:39,907 Speaker 3: the club, and the players now are really wearing that 102 00:05:39,947 --> 00:05:43,427 Speaker 3: on their shoulders. So the task for somebody coming in 103 00:05:43,467 --> 00:05:47,227 Speaker 3: for the new coach is to bring in some energy. 104 00:05:47,547 --> 00:05:50,227 Speaker 3: They're going to have to turn things around, and they're 105 00:05:50,227 --> 00:05:54,587 Speaker 3: going to need to give this playing group direction and 106 00:05:55,827 --> 00:05:58,507 Speaker 3: a sense of purpose leading into what is a very 107 00:05:58,547 --> 00:06:02,147 Speaker 3: tricky next game. And I don't know if this is 108 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:04,707 Speaker 3: the football God's pony. But the next game is against 109 00:06:04,747 --> 00:06:07,307 Speaker 3: Sydney of C and former coach Ufud Tulley. 110 00:06:08,147 --> 00:06:11,747 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the football gods do tend to work 111 00:06:11,787 --> 00:06:15,107 Speaker 2: in mysterious ways sometimes, don't they. And you've landed on 112 00:06:15,147 --> 00:06:17,427 Speaker 2: a good point a couple of times. The Phoenix are 113 00:06:17,507 --> 00:06:21,347 Speaker 2: still only five points outside the top six, with twenty 114 00:06:21,387 --> 00:06:24,947 Speaker 2: four points still available to them. If you know, it 115 00:06:25,027 --> 00:06:27,067 Speaker 2: seems likely that an interim coach will come in and 116 00:06:27,147 --> 00:06:30,067 Speaker 2: Chris Greenaker seems the most likely candidate for that, having 117 00:06:30,107 --> 00:06:32,707 Speaker 2: done the job before, the former player of course and 118 00:06:32,867 --> 00:06:36,947 Speaker 2: head of the academy at Wellington. Do you foresee a 119 00:06:37,027 --> 00:06:40,347 Speaker 2: possibility or a scenario under which the Phoenix do go 120 00:06:40,467 --> 00:06:42,427 Speaker 2: on a run, they get a bit of a bounce 121 00:06:42,467 --> 00:06:45,507 Speaker 2: off this and do make a challenge for the top six? 122 00:06:46,747 --> 00:06:49,587 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I know that when you look at the 123 00:06:49,627 --> 00:06:53,747 Speaker 3: table in isolation, Auckland sat second yesterday and the Phoenix 124 00:06:53,787 --> 00:06:56,027 Speaker 3: sat I think it was tenth. Now that's a huge 125 00:06:56,027 --> 00:06:59,107 Speaker 3: difference between the two sides, but an actual fact, going 126 00:06:59,107 --> 00:07:01,867 Speaker 3: into yesterday's game, the Phoenix were four points outside the 127 00:07:01,907 --> 00:07:05,027 Speaker 3: six and that was six points from third. This a 128 00:07:05,147 --> 00:07:08,187 Speaker 3: league season is not unique because we see this in 129 00:07:08,187 --> 00:07:11,387 Speaker 3: the Alleague to certain extent each year, but it is 130 00:07:11,467 --> 00:07:15,307 Speaker 3: a very flat competitive season. Sides are taking points off 131 00:07:15,347 --> 00:07:18,827 Speaker 3: each other every single weekend, and that means you can't 132 00:07:18,827 --> 00:07:23,187 Speaker 3: necessarily escape the grasps of the palaton, but equally you're 133 00:07:23,187 --> 00:07:26,587 Speaker 3: not too far off the slipstream. And over the next 134 00:07:26,627 --> 00:07:30,067 Speaker 3: month or so, if whoever comes in, and Chris Greenacre 135 00:07:30,267 --> 00:07:33,347 Speaker 3: is a name that has been mentioned several times in 136 00:07:33,347 --> 00:07:36,067 Speaker 3: conversations this morning that we've had at the airport, then 137 00:07:37,027 --> 00:07:39,507 Speaker 3: he's somebody that if he can just quietly go about 138 00:07:39,587 --> 00:07:41,907 Speaker 3: doing his work and ensure that the side is resolute, 139 00:07:41,907 --> 00:07:45,107 Speaker 3: they're tough to beat, and they do accumulate points over 140 00:07:45,107 --> 00:07:48,387 Speaker 3: the next month, then there is every argument to say 141 00:07:48,427 --> 00:07:52,907 Speaker 3: that the Phoenix come March and potentially April are still 142 00:07:52,947 --> 00:07:55,307 Speaker 3: in the conversations for playoff football. 143 00:07:56,227 --> 00:07:59,827 Speaker 2: Just before you go, the clip that's going viral from 144 00:07:59,907 --> 00:08:03,587 Speaker 2: yesterday's game is, of course the first goal, the utterly 145 00:08:03,667 --> 00:08:07,147 Speaker 2: extraordinary own goal that Joshau will ollawai em. He was 146 00:08:07,187 --> 00:08:11,507 Speaker 2: the unfortunate provider of the long ball play down field. 147 00:08:11,587 --> 00:08:13,667 Speaker 2: He got his angles all wrong, skimmed off his head 148 00:08:13,667 --> 00:08:16,907 Speaker 2: and into the back of the net. Goodness, I feel 149 00:08:16,947 --> 00:08:20,147 Speaker 2: for josh Olaway Yemi. What sort of support needs to 150 00:08:20,147 --> 00:08:23,507 Speaker 2: be wrapped around him now as he tries to bounce 151 00:08:23,587 --> 00:08:26,347 Speaker 2: back from something that has, as I say, gone viral 152 00:08:26,427 --> 00:08:28,987 Speaker 2: in these days of social media. 153 00:08:30,907 --> 00:08:34,987 Speaker 3: It's a really really shute point to finish on Poney 154 00:08:35,027 --> 00:08:38,307 Speaker 3: and I think pastoral care is important in this situation. 155 00:08:38,467 --> 00:08:41,347 Speaker 3: So we talk a lot about sports psychology and the 156 00:08:41,427 --> 00:08:43,747 Speaker 3: need to have that framework in place for players. I 157 00:08:43,787 --> 00:08:46,427 Speaker 3: think Josh as an individual, there needs to be a 158 00:08:46,507 --> 00:08:49,147 Speaker 3: process around sitting down with him talking about that, ensuring 159 00:08:50,067 --> 00:08:53,387 Speaker 3: that both he and the club understands where he's that mentally. 160 00:08:54,787 --> 00:08:57,267 Speaker 3: But it is something that will have a big impact 161 00:08:57,507 --> 00:09:00,867 Speaker 3: on a player. Put it in context. He'd worked so 162 00:09:00,987 --> 00:09:04,427 Speaker 3: hard to get back for this game, he had targeted it, 163 00:09:04,627 --> 00:09:07,547 Speaker 3: he had gone out injured again, it's the central Chris Marins. 164 00:09:08,547 --> 00:09:10,867 Speaker 3: I think it was in early December, and then he 165 00:09:11,187 --> 00:09:13,267 Speaker 3: worked his way back to ensure that he was here 166 00:09:13,307 --> 00:09:15,147 Speaker 3: to give his side a chance to claim their first 167 00:09:15,227 --> 00:09:18,787 Speaker 3: points in the derby, and in the first twenty minutes 168 00:09:18,787 --> 00:09:22,827 Speaker 3: training to be assertive. His judgment has failed him and 169 00:09:23,427 --> 00:09:26,547 Speaker 3: he has to wear this now and unfortunately it is 170 00:09:26,587 --> 00:09:28,907 Speaker 3: something that has been picked up on a global scale. 171 00:09:29,627 --> 00:09:31,987 Speaker 3: So the Guardian as an example, has run a story 172 00:09:31,987 --> 00:09:35,947 Speaker 3: on it this morning, so I'm sure, as I know 173 00:09:36,067 --> 00:09:38,507 Speaker 3: the club has done in the past with other players, 174 00:09:38,587 --> 00:09:41,187 Speaker 3: that they will wrap support around him. He's still a 175 00:09:41,307 --> 00:09:43,987 Speaker 3: very good player and before the injury was having a 176 00:09:44,027 --> 00:09:46,067 Speaker 3: good season, playing some of his best football in a 177 00:09:46,067 --> 00:09:49,627 Speaker 3: Phoenix shirt that we had seen. So we hope that 178 00:09:50,067 --> 00:09:53,787 Speaker 3: Josh will bounce back from this quickly, as I hope 179 00:09:53,787 --> 00:09:54,827 Speaker 3: the Phoenix will and Dud. 180 00:09:55,107 --> 00:09:57,387 Speaker 2: Thanks Jacob, Jacob, I know I got a plan to catch. 181 00:09:57,547 --> 00:10:01,907 Speaker 2: Appreciate you taking the time. Jacob Spoonley, former Wellington Phoenix, 182 00:10:02,027 --> 00:10:05,787 Speaker 2: a goalkeeper or Whites goalkeeper, our Sky Sport analyst and commentator. 183 00:10:06,547 --> 00:10:10,067 Speaker 2: In many ways, this felt inevitable to drop off from 184 00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:12,827 Speaker 2: two seasons ago when the Phoenix came within one game 185 00:10:12,867 --> 00:10:15,307 Speaker 2: of the A League Grand Final. Has been so stark 186 00:10:16,307 --> 00:10:20,627 Speaker 2: but also really surprising, and it's been exacerbated by the 187 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:26,027 Speaker 2: spectacular arrival of Auckland FC and their utter domination of 188 00:10:26,147 --> 00:10:30,267 Speaker 2: this domestic rivalry. And to even call it a rivalry 189 00:10:30,347 --> 00:10:33,307 Speaker 2: feels a bit wrong at the moment given Auckland FC's 190 00:10:33,547 --> 00:10:39,947 Speaker 2: six game supremacy. That's six straight wins in Derby's but 191 00:10:40,027 --> 00:10:42,507 Speaker 2: this is elite sport it's a results game, and results 192 00:10:42,947 --> 00:10:46,907 Speaker 2: were not forthcoming this season. Coaching is a brutal occupation. 193 00:10:48,147 --> 00:10:50,347 Speaker 2: When your team wins, the players get most of the credit. 194 00:10:50,387 --> 00:10:55,227 Speaker 2: When they lose, it's your head, usually on the chopping block, 195 00:10:55,307 --> 00:10:58,147 Speaker 2: and so it has proven to be here. Even so, 196 00:10:58,467 --> 00:11:02,707 Speaker 2: I do believe that the players must shoulder a degree 197 00:11:02,707 --> 00:11:06,187 Speaker 2: of responsibility for what's happened here. The coach can only 198 00:11:06,227 --> 00:11:08,827 Speaker 2: do so much. Once the whistle blows, as I said before, 199 00:11:09,147 --> 00:11:13,867 Speaker 2: and the game begins, the coach's influence is severely diluted. Yes, 200 00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:16,627 Speaker 2: he picks the team, he decides on the tactics, he 201 00:11:16,707 --> 00:11:19,667 Speaker 2: lays down the playing style, he sends the team out, 202 00:11:19,667 --> 00:11:23,627 Speaker 2: But when the game begins, it's out of his hands. 203 00:11:24,947 --> 00:11:28,867 Speaker 2: And there are very few players in the Wellington Phoenix 204 00:11:28,867 --> 00:11:32,427 Speaker 2: side this season who have consistently played well in the 205 00:11:32,467 --> 00:11:38,467 Speaker 2: last few months, and yesterday was comfortably the worst performance 206 00:11:38,507 --> 00:11:41,947 Speaker 2: of the season, so much so that it was almost embarrassing. 207 00:11:43,907 --> 00:11:46,267 Speaker 2: Now the playing group will have gathered this morning and 208 00:11:46,347 --> 00:11:48,427 Speaker 2: been addressed by the powers that be at the club 209 00:11:48,707 --> 00:11:50,747 Speaker 2: about where they go from here. Now it feels likely 210 00:11:50,827 --> 00:11:54,747 Speaker 2: that an interim coach will be installed until the end 211 00:11:54,787 --> 00:11:57,427 Speaker 2: of the season, and the obvious candidate for that is 212 00:11:57,467 --> 00:11:59,507 Speaker 2: a bloke who's done it before, former player now the 213 00:11:59,507 --> 00:12:03,667 Speaker 2: club's academy head of professional development, Chris Greenacre. He's actually 214 00:12:03,707 --> 00:12:08,227 Speaker 2: filled this role three times before the interim. But the 215 00:12:08,267 --> 00:12:14,467 Speaker 2: players now need to look inwards and have a good 216 00:12:14,507 --> 00:12:16,787 Speaker 2: look at themselves and play the rest of the season 217 00:12:18,027 --> 00:12:22,307 Speaker 2: for the club's long suffering fans, their own professional pride 218 00:12:22,307 --> 00:12:24,867 Speaker 2: and the badge that they're wearing on their chest. Playing 219 00:12:24,867 --> 00:12:28,867 Speaker 2: football for a living, playing professional sport is a privilege, 220 00:12:28,867 --> 00:12:32,827 Speaker 2: but with it comes a responsibility to represent your club 221 00:12:33,587 --> 00:12:38,307 Speaker 2: and importantly represent those who pay their hard earned money 222 00:12:39,187 --> 00:12:45,147 Speaker 2: to follow you. Ironically enough, as Jacob said, the Phoenix 223 00:12:45,147 --> 00:12:47,267 Speaker 2: could still make a run at the A League playoffs. 224 00:12:47,307 --> 00:12:51,427 Speaker 2: That seems ridiculous given what happened yesterday, But there's still 225 00:12:52,187 --> 00:12:56,147 Speaker 2: only five points outside the top six. There are still 226 00:12:56,147 --> 00:13:00,147 Speaker 2: eight games to go. What's that twenty four points available 227 00:13:00,187 --> 00:13:03,587 Speaker 2: to them? And who knows, Maybe this is the shot 228 00:13:03,627 --> 00:13:07,347 Speaker 2: in the arm they needed, Maybe this is something that 229 00:13:07,427 --> 00:13:10,467 Speaker 2: will boost them. You often do what do they call 230 00:13:10,507 --> 00:13:12,507 Speaker 2: it a dead cat bounce. It's probably at a bit 231 00:13:12,507 --> 00:13:15,627 Speaker 2: of an unkind phrase, but often when there is a 232 00:13:15,707 --> 00:13:21,667 Speaker 2: change of this type, there's a bounce back. So let's 233 00:13:21,707 --> 00:13:24,507 Speaker 2: hope that's what we see for Giancarlo Ataliano himself, the 234 00:13:24,547 --> 00:13:28,547 Speaker 2: man who has known universally as chief. I'm sure when 235 00:13:28,547 --> 00:13:30,707 Speaker 2: he woke up this morning there was a small part 236 00:13:30,707 --> 00:13:35,747 Speaker 2: of him that felt relieved. This hasn't ended, of course, 237 00:13:35,827 --> 00:13:38,947 Speaker 2: the way he would have hoped, but at least now 238 00:13:38,947 --> 00:13:40,867 Speaker 2: he can get out of the harsh spotlight for a while, 239 00:13:40,947 --> 00:13:45,867 Speaker 2: take some time out, refresh, recuperate, reflect, and then decide 240 00:13:45,867 --> 00:13:51,027 Speaker 2: what's next. He hasn't become a bad coach overnight, just 241 00:13:51,107 --> 00:13:53,587 Speaker 2: like any coach who resigns or a sacked, they don't 242 00:13:53,987 --> 00:13:56,787 Speaker 2: become a bad coach overnight. Coaches come and go all 243 00:13:56,827 --> 00:13:59,707 Speaker 2: the time, and he'll always have the twenty twenty three 244 00:13:59,747 --> 00:14:02,387 Speaker 2: to twenty four campaign on a CV, the season when 245 00:14:02,387 --> 00:14:05,347 Speaker 2: he took the Phoenix closer to silverware than they'd ever been. 246 00:14:05,627 --> 00:14:08,587 Speaker 2: He's gonna pop up again somewhere and take the lessons 247 00:14:08,587 --> 00:14:12,147 Speaker 2: from what has happened here into his future coaching roles 248 00:14:12,187 --> 00:14:15,987 Speaker 2: and look forward to seeing what those coaching roles are. 249 00:14:16,027 --> 00:14:20,187 Speaker 2: But most most importantly, what I'm really keen to see 250 00:14:20,867 --> 00:14:25,707 Speaker 2: is the response from those he has left behind. 251 00:14:26,467 --> 00:14:29,627 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 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