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Speaker 1: Health related New research out of Australia on the links

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Speaker 1: between vaping as a teenager and going on to be

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Speaker 1: a smoker. Survey of more than fiveenty twelve to seventeen

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Speaker 1: year olds, If you vape, your five times more likely

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Speaker 1: to end up smoking, first of its kind study in Australia,

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Speaker 1: says your professor, Becky Freeman, study supervisor at the University

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Speaker 1: of Sydney, is with us Bickie Morning, Good morning. I

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Speaker 1: seed years ago that replacing vaping or tobacco with vaping

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Speaker 1: was going to lead to this, and I'm no genius.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't more people see it?

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Speaker 2: You know? I think that people were just overly focused

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Speaker 2: on that this was going to be some sort of

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Speaker 2: you know, miracle cure for people who were smokers to

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Speaker 2: switch to vaping, and didn't consider that these products would

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Speaker 2: be marketed to kids, come in fruit flavors that appeal

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Speaker 2: to kids, and be so widely available and easily accessible.

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Speaker 1: Do you still subscribe in any way, shape or form

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Speaker 1: to the cessation tool argument or not? Really?

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Speaker 2: Look, I think there should be a pathway for that

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Speaker 2: very small number of smokers who've tried everything they can

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Speaker 2: to quit and under the care and support of a

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Speaker 2: health professional use these products to fully quit, but that

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Speaker 2: does not mean they should be available in you know,

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Speaker 2: lolly flavors and sold that petrol stations to twelve year old.

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Speaker 1: And the number of kids who do it recreationally as

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Speaker 1: a percentage, do we have any idea?

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Speaker 2: Look, young kids are are not quitting smoking. You know,

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Speaker 2: when you're fourteen years old and you see a product

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Speaker 2: on a shelf that comes in a unicorn sparkly package

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Speaker 2: and is sold in apple mint flavor, you're not using

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Speaker 2: that to quit smoking. You're using that because you're curious

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Speaker 2: and the industry has targeted you.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, and we looked to Australia from New Zealand, they

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Speaker 1: were going to crack down on this with some rules

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Speaker 1: and they backed out of this. Has this been a

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Speaker 1: disappointment and that will long term cause more problems, do

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Speaker 1: you think or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, what we have in Australia now is all the

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Speaker 2: cigarettes must be sold in pharmacies from behind the counter.

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Speaker 2: So we had been pushing for a prescription only system

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Speaker 2: from pharmacies that you had to have a description from

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Speaker 2: a doctor. That did get watered down to now you

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Speaker 2: can just purchase it from behind the counter. So it

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Speaker 2: is a bit disappointing, but we are very grateful that

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Speaker 2: they will no longer be so available to kids. And

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Speaker 2: of course the vapes and pharmacies are only going to

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Speaker 2: come in tobacco and mint flavor. They're no longer these

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Speaker 2: disposable products that were so cheap and so readily available

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Speaker 2: to kids, So it's an entirely different product and approach.

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Speaker 1: Becky, appreciate you getting up early in astrategy for a

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Speaker 1: Spekey Freeman, University of Sydney's supervisor. For more from the

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