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Speaker 2: Take another pat, now get in It's trick. It is out,

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Speaker 2: The Test is over. Couldn't smokes a beauty?

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Speaker 2: Hello, we're on the front foot again, but hardly celebrating

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Speaker 2: because we've lost another Test series. Hello, England have settled

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Speaker 2: the Test series emphatically in under three days. Of the basis,

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Speaker 2: what's gone wrong with the team that beat into a

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Speaker 2: three zero? And that was done with style, class and dominance.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand cricket has a Hall of Fame eleven. There's

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Speaker 2: any selection challengegible Can anybody get into that eleven? Or

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Speaker 2: will it be extended? What do the English think of

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Speaker 2: the series? They've won it to nil? There's one game

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Speaker 2: to go at the World Test Championship. Do we forget

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Speaker 2: about South Africa? They look as though they're now under

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Speaker 2: the final. So who against Australia or India? I think Australia.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Caney, what do you think of the World Test Championship.

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Speaker 2: Do we forget about South Africa or just pay more

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Speaker 3: Idds Yes, I think that's probably the second option that

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Speaker 3: done South Africa. You know, that's fantastic that they've got through.

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Speaker 3: I think it's nice to have different teams from outside

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Speaker 3: We'll be keeping an eye on those for those people

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Speaker 3: who are interested in finding out he'll be in that

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Speaker 3: series final. So it certainly shouldn't have been New Zealand

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Speaker 3: because while it was a very small opportunity after beating India,

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Speaker 3: We didn't really deserve to be there if you go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you talk to people, they want to

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Speaker 2: most they're they're not playing the sign of cricket against

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Speaker 2: England that they played against India. Are they different different

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Speaker 4: Oh completely not.

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Speaker 5: It's it's it's it's most perverse, really, isn't it too

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Speaker 5: what we've just witnessed here, which was there's nothing but

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Speaker 5: it really is great for cricket, and as you also say,

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing from their point of view, of course,

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Speaker 2: think even number of matches for each side would be

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Speaker 2: a better way of deciding that, Jerry, wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: It not going to happen? It's the most curious. We've

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Speaker 5: That these weren't bad conditions. These are pretty good conditions.

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Speaker 2: on the series. But one of the things he talked

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Speaker 3: Why are we not batting in the testinies and playing

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Speaker 3: We are losing each day, even before the game starts.

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Speaker 3: We are losing the warm ups as well. What do

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Speaker 3: you mean by that, Jerry, I mean they walk out

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Speaker 3: They go through their routines. New Zealand walk out late.

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Speaker 2: The sad part of all this, of course, and I

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Speaker 2: There's very few positives we can take when we want

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Speaker 3: Isn't it hard to find them?

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Speaker 5: You know, really bad losses, and when where do you

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Speaker 5: But what I see in a in a in a

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Speaker 5: the big game next year.

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Speaker 4: In the Ashes.

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Speaker 5: They're setting up beautifully, aren't they with these new quick bowlers.

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Speaker 5: It looks really really encouraging. Now compare that to us,

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Speaker 3: You mentioned selection earlier, which we didn't get onto and

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Speaker 3: Can we do one last thing because I'm getting sick

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Speaker 5: Moose your thoughts. This goes a long way because if

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Speaker 4: Who you want?

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Speaker 5: That's gone away now? And so I if I'm Scott

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Speaker 6: I did happen to say.

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Speaker 8: are reliable wokes and we've actually fielded very well. And

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Speaker 8: I suppose you could say the differences that two of

436
00:26:05,373 --> 00:26:08,733
Speaker 8: our guys have got their got their heads one me

437
00:26:08,813 --> 00:26:11,453
Speaker 8: and mister Brook who said that inn he's here at

438
00:26:11,493 --> 00:26:15,293
Speaker 8: the Wellington Basin Reserve was the best he's played so

439
00:26:15,453 --> 00:26:17,733
Speaker 8: far and I think it was challenging. He came in

440
00:26:17,773 --> 00:26:20,973
Speaker 8: at Boudioca three and it was challenging and he actually

441
00:26:21,653 --> 00:26:28,333
Speaker 8: played it his way. Hugely talented, difficult wicket, a rook

442
00:26:28,373 --> 00:26:31,693
Speaker 8: bowling really well, Henry bowling well and here he managed

443
00:26:31,693 --> 00:26:32,173
Speaker 8: to get through.

444
00:26:32,893 --> 00:26:34,693
Speaker 3: Is he finished article of brokers?

445
00:26:34,813 --> 00:26:35,973
Speaker 2: He work in pragnss still.

446
00:26:35,933 --> 00:26:36,813
Speaker 3: Do you know? I don't know.

447
00:26:37,013 --> 00:26:40,413
Speaker 8: I mean we've watched him and it's been amazing how

448
00:26:40,453 --> 00:26:43,613
Speaker 8: he seems to have a bit like David Gower, just

449
00:26:43,813 --> 00:26:45,613
Speaker 8: acclimatized test screen straight away.

450
00:26:46,653 --> 00:26:49,853
Speaker 6: He doesn't seem to have been phased by it. He's

451
00:26:50,053 --> 00:26:52,053
Speaker 6: paid in some extraordinary.

452
00:26:51,533 --> 00:26:53,813
Speaker 8: Shots at extraordinary times, like just running down the wicking

453
00:26:53,853 --> 00:26:56,853
Speaker 8: and smashing something over mid off. I mean that was

454
00:26:56,893 --> 00:27:00,773
Speaker 8: never in my copybook or coaching manual, but here they are.

455
00:27:01,333 --> 00:27:05,173
Speaker 8: And it must be very difficult for captain zam bowlers

456
00:27:05,213 --> 00:27:08,693
Speaker 8: to try and adapt to having the thing back of

457
00:27:08,733 --> 00:27:10,493
Speaker 8: your mind that somebody might be charging down that we

458
00:27:10,613 --> 00:27:12,613
Speaker 8: get ball into the maybe five miles an hour, get

459
00:27:12,613 --> 00:27:14,253
Speaker 8: somebody's in a charge town, or we get them, try

460
00:27:14,293 --> 00:27:16,493
Speaker 8: and wake you back over there, and actually if you

461
00:27:16,573 --> 00:27:17,533
Speaker 8: bowl it's somewhere there.

462
00:27:17,533 --> 00:27:20,013
Speaker 6: He's likely if you back over your head from a

463
00:27:20,053 --> 00:27:24,613
Speaker 6: standing position too. To plan differently, just the words as

464
00:27:24,613 --> 00:27:25,373
Speaker 6: sad as it is.

465
00:27:25,973 --> 00:27:28,813
Speaker 2: Being a Wellingtonian, I had to acknowledge the ever present

466
00:27:28,933 --> 00:27:32,493
Speaker 2: hurricane like wind as the tour group contemplated two days

467
00:27:32,533 --> 00:27:36,253
Speaker 2: sightseeing before hitting north and I got the tour leader

468
00:27:36,493 --> 00:27:39,333
Speaker 2: on the spot. If you were to be the black

469
00:27:39,373 --> 00:27:43,093
Speaker 2: Caps coach, what changes would you want to make? And

470
00:27:43,133 --> 00:27:45,053
Speaker 2: this was before changes that were made.

471
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Speaker 8: Well, I would certainly consider seeing if they can get

472
00:27:49,573 --> 00:27:51,493
Speaker 8: the hair dryer on the hammeleg and pitch and make

473
00:27:51,533 --> 00:27:55,013
Speaker 8: it turn a bit, but I would certainly have to

474
00:27:55,053 --> 00:27:57,453
Speaker 8: look at you know, Conway has been struggling a bit

475
00:27:57,493 --> 00:27:59,733
Speaker 8: for a little while now, and you know, your player

476
00:27:59,773 --> 00:28:02,213
Speaker 8: of the series from from India has not even been

477
00:28:02,253 --> 00:28:05,693
Speaker 8: sort of seen. So regisent does he open? I'm not

478
00:28:05,733 --> 00:28:07,733
Speaker 8: sure he did have a He did have a go

479
00:28:07,813 --> 00:28:09,093
Speaker 8: and didn't act to do so well.

480
00:28:09,133 --> 00:28:11,373
Speaker 6: But there is a spot. It isn't going to be

481
00:28:11,413 --> 00:28:12,213
Speaker 6: Came Williamson's.

482
00:28:12,213 --> 00:28:15,213
Speaker 8: It isn't going to be anybody just further down, and

483
00:28:15,293 --> 00:28:16,493
Speaker 8: so it's going to be open spot.

484
00:28:16,573 --> 00:28:17,093
Speaker 6: Let's be fair.

485
00:28:17,293 --> 00:28:19,333
Speaker 8: And so if he's keen to do that, I'm sure

486
00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:20,933
Speaker 8: he wants to play for new Eland, he'll do it.

487
00:28:21,053 --> 00:28:24,173
Speaker 8: I'm batting at three and one is only one ball anyway.

488
00:28:24,253 --> 00:28:26,253
Speaker 8: If you get something anisode, you know, I don't know

489
00:28:26,333 --> 00:28:27,933
Speaker 8: quite what the sort of thought about it is, but

490
00:28:28,493 --> 00:28:30,813
Speaker 8: I would say that if it is going to turn

491
00:28:30,973 --> 00:28:35,133
Speaker 8: where we see somebody like Sandner actually being thought about

492
00:28:35,613 --> 00:28:39,053
Speaker 8: because it hasn't quite worked for you in the way

493
00:28:39,053 --> 00:28:39,853
Speaker 8: that you wanted to do.

494
00:28:39,853 --> 00:28:42,773
Speaker 6: With green bouncy wickets, Yep, it's.

495
00:28:42,613 --> 00:28:44,413
Speaker 8: Never going to be green and bouncy at Hamilton. I

496
00:28:44,453 --> 00:28:46,693
Speaker 8: don't think it was never that sort of pitchure I played,

497
00:28:46,693 --> 00:28:47,213
Speaker 8: and that was.

498
00:28:47,213 --> 00:28:48,653
Speaker 6: A long time ago.

499
00:28:49,293 --> 00:28:51,173
Speaker 8: So if it's going to turn, then they've got a

500
00:28:51,253 --> 00:28:54,293
Speaker 8: choice to make either Smith or Southeast fair point.

501
00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:57,413
Speaker 2: It's going to require some change and we will know

502
00:28:57,493 --> 00:29:00,133
Speaker 2: that soon enough. I also suggested to Get that there's

503
00:29:00,173 --> 00:29:03,373
Speaker 2: not so much a skill and ability issue, but mindset

504
00:29:03,493 --> 00:29:06,973
Speaker 2: and application we could keep it. Tom Blundell produced at

505
00:29:07,133 --> 00:29:11,133
Speaker 2: entertaining hundred to no well, of course, but it displayed

506
00:29:11,253 --> 00:29:12,973
Speaker 2: a bit of the old keiw ticket.

507
00:29:13,653 --> 00:29:17,773
Speaker 8: It was a very positive approach to the game on

508
00:29:17,853 --> 00:29:20,853
Speaker 8: a wicket that it's got better, a little bit of

509
00:29:20,853 --> 00:29:24,653
Speaker 8: pace in it. Didn't turn very much, but there was

510
00:29:24,653 --> 00:29:28,773
Speaker 8: some pace in there and he played positively and to

511
00:29:28,853 --> 00:29:31,253
Speaker 8: me it was a fabulous knock. I mean, I enjoyed

512
00:29:31,253 --> 00:29:33,413
Speaker 8: watching it amid the sort of bits and pieces that

513
00:29:33,413 --> 00:29:36,053
Speaker 8: were going on around it. And you know, some of

514
00:29:36,093 --> 00:29:39,493
Speaker 8: the plays like that, it's sometimes very hard to pull that,

515
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:42,293
Speaker 8: even as good a bowl as you are.

516
00:29:42,813 --> 00:29:44,773
Speaker 6: It is, you know, the different fields.

517
00:29:44,813 --> 00:29:47,693
Speaker 8: There were not too many slips or whatever, but No

518
00:29:47,893 --> 00:29:50,213
Speaker 8: Bundle played a very very fine innings.

519
00:29:51,573 --> 00:29:54,453
Speaker 2: England, of course, are preparing themselves for other Tish met series,

520
00:29:54,453 --> 00:29:56,533
Speaker 2: but they're basically preparing themselves for the eshes.

521
00:29:57,093 --> 00:29:58,053
Speaker 3: The ashes down Under.

522
00:29:58,133 --> 00:29:59,493
Speaker 2: Is this society can beat us draining.

523
00:30:00,093 --> 00:30:02,893
Speaker 8: I honestly think there's a there's another for the series

524
00:30:02,893 --> 00:30:05,053
Speaker 8: at home first that we really get through.

525
00:30:05,093 --> 00:30:07,253
Speaker 6: But I mean, and it's going to be a tough.

526
00:30:07,053 --> 00:30:11,613
Speaker 8: One against India and so we will see some guys

527
00:30:11,933 --> 00:30:15,333
Speaker 8: playing some very difficult bowlers to place, you.

528
00:30:15,293 --> 00:30:18,893
Speaker 6: Know, Sarah, and we've got Boomerah and there.

529
00:30:19,013 --> 00:30:22,413
Speaker 8: Some decent spinners to cope with, and therefore it's going

530
00:30:22,493 --> 00:30:24,773
Speaker 8: to be a bit more of an education for them.

531
00:30:25,173 --> 00:30:27,373
Speaker 8: As I say, they've handled it so well so far.

532
00:30:28,773 --> 00:30:30,893
Speaker 8: And if if Bethel does come of age, so I

533
00:30:30,933 --> 00:30:33,973
Speaker 8: have a sort of a Bethel Roote and Brook that's

534
00:30:34,013 --> 00:30:37,293
Speaker 8: going to be brutal for Southerber team going to have

535
00:30:37,333 --> 00:30:40,693
Speaker 8: the bowl at them, and you know with Stokes as

536
00:30:40,733 --> 00:30:43,253
Speaker 8: well there So yes, I think we're in a in

537
00:30:43,333 --> 00:30:48,533
Speaker 8: a for once, we're in a bit of a one.

538
00:30:47,733 --> 00:30:49,573
Speaker 6: In a place where you think, yes, we can take

539
00:30:49,693 --> 00:30:53,373
Speaker 6: us on down. And just slight world of caution if either.

540
00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:57,093
Speaker 8: Zach Brawley or or Duckett gets in and I don't

541
00:30:57,133 --> 00:30:59,533
Speaker 8: see anybody putting their hand up in the youth play

542
00:30:59,533 --> 00:31:02,293
Speaker 8: at the moment, So cautionary word on the On the

543
00:31:02,373 --> 00:31:05,013
Speaker 8: bowling side though, looks like Josh Archer is keen to play.

544
00:31:05,693 --> 00:31:11,253
Speaker 8: Wood will be there for selection when Matthew Potts, who

545
00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:14,093
Speaker 8: bowled really well in his last couple of matches he played,

546
00:31:14,493 --> 00:31:16,013
Speaker 8: you know, hasn't got in here yet either.

547
00:31:16,053 --> 00:31:18,653
Speaker 6: So Potts ISTONELI.

548
00:31:17,733 --> 00:31:20,453
Speaker 8: Stone, Yeah, we have.

549
00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:23,053
Speaker 6: We have some cover, some seriously good cover.

550
00:31:23,173 --> 00:31:25,453
Speaker 8: And you know, with the pace of Wooden Archer to

551
00:31:25,493 --> 00:31:28,413
Speaker 8: add good what we have here, you've got to say

552
00:31:28,453 --> 00:31:32,093
Speaker 8: that we're in a reasonably good position compared to where

553
00:31:32,093 --> 00:31:35,173
Speaker 8: the Aussies are at the moment. So the askh I

554
00:31:35,253 --> 00:31:37,693
Speaker 8: read the other day about the U versus experience is

555
00:31:37,733 --> 00:31:39,533
Speaker 8: going to be an interesting instance.

556
00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:41,853
Speaker 3: Your life has been cricket.

557
00:31:41,893 --> 00:31:44,573
Speaker 2: You came as a young players in New Zealand nineteen

558
00:31:44,653 --> 00:31:47,293
Speaker 2: seventy eight as part of Jeffrey Boybutch's team. You played

559
00:31:47,333 --> 00:31:50,453
Speaker 2: dis matches. That was your sort of baboo era seventy

560
00:31:50,853 --> 00:31:54,693
Speaker 2: seventy seven eight, and you've been in cricket since then

561
00:31:55,053 --> 00:31:58,093
Speaker 2: in various forms. You have with a tour party, a

562
00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:00,813
Speaker 2: lovely bunch of people I had the good fortune to meet.

563
00:32:01,093 --> 00:32:03,013
Speaker 2: Can you like that sort of life top.

564
00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:05,413
Speaker 6: I enjoy at the moment.

565
00:32:05,933 --> 00:32:07,333
Speaker 8: There will be a time where you just say no,

566
00:32:07,413 --> 00:32:10,253
Speaker 8: you can't, because I have to, And I love watching how.

567
00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:13,573
Speaker 6: People sort of mature and just sitting at Test match

568
00:32:13,653 --> 00:32:16,373
Speaker 6: thing what I be doing or you know all, what's

569
00:32:16,413 --> 00:32:18,613
Speaker 6: that going to happen? And I just it is fun.

570
00:32:18,653 --> 00:32:20,653
Speaker 8: I never used to like watching cricket Test cricket when

571
00:32:20,653 --> 00:32:23,973
Speaker 8: I was batting, I'd just sit quietly and wait to

572
00:32:24,013 --> 00:32:24,293
Speaker 8: go in.

573
00:32:25,013 --> 00:32:26,013
Speaker 6: But I love watching for it.

574
00:32:26,013 --> 00:32:28,613
Speaker 8: And just talking cricket because there's so much going on

575
00:32:28,653 --> 00:32:31,093
Speaker 8: in the world of a moment, Brian, in the fact

576
00:32:31,133 --> 00:32:34,693
Speaker 8: that we're in a very interesting stage and it could

577
00:32:34,693 --> 00:32:36,693
Speaker 8: go one way or the other. But I think we've

578
00:32:36,733 --> 00:32:39,333
Speaker 8: slightly turned the tide on the shall we get rid

579
00:32:39,373 --> 00:32:42,133
Speaker 8: of Test cricket one? So I think we might have

580
00:32:42,253 --> 00:32:44,413
Speaker 8: just done that, but we still got to just do

581
00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:47,533
Speaker 8: a few things to make sure that we keep the

582
00:32:47,613 --> 00:32:50,893
Speaker 8: Test cricket going, because that is a must. Yes, the

583
00:32:50,933 --> 00:32:53,573
Speaker 8: IPL is fantastic, that's all good, and it's great for

584
00:32:53,613 --> 00:32:53,853
Speaker 8: the game.

585
00:32:53,933 --> 00:32:54,733
Speaker 6: It brings the money in.

586
00:32:55,093 --> 00:32:57,893
Speaker 8: But if you can't do without these wonderful guys like

587
00:32:57,973 --> 00:33:00,413
Speaker 8: Hayman and like groups like rut who are going to

588
00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:03,093
Speaker 8: go and play IPL at some stage and it keeps

589
00:33:03,093 --> 00:33:05,533
Speaker 8: the quality of the competition something.

590
00:33:05,533 --> 00:33:08,373
Speaker 6: Like the IPOL very high. With our Test cricket, he

591
00:33:08,413 --> 00:33:12,573
Speaker 6: won't get those great players to sell to the ball clubs.

592
00:33:11,853 --> 00:33:16,213
Speaker 1: Exactly on the front foot with Waddle and Cody.

593
00:33:17,373 --> 00:33:18,053
Speaker 3: We have a.

594
00:33:18,093 --> 00:33:23,693
Speaker 2: First eleven of a Hall of Fame first eleven given

595
00:33:23,733 --> 00:33:26,973
Speaker 2: to you quickly, but suck with John Reid, Glenn Turner,

596
00:33:27,093 --> 00:33:32,053
Speaker 2: Richard Hadley, Martin Crowe, Daniel Vittori, Brendan McCallum, Jackie Lord,

597
00:33:32,133 --> 00:33:36,973
Speaker 2: Trish McKelvey, and Debbie Hockley, along with Emily drum eleven

598
00:33:37,093 --> 00:33:42,933
Speaker 2: chosen any of those challengeable. I have one name that

599
00:33:43,013 --> 00:33:47,933
Speaker 2: I would consider, but stats probably go against Stewey Dempster.

600
00:33:47,973 --> 00:33:50,253
Speaker 2: You to be coached by Steey Dempster at the base

601
00:33:50,253 --> 00:33:52,973
Speaker 2: from reserve many many many years ago, Jerry, I don't

602
00:33:52,973 --> 00:33:54,773
Speaker 2: know whether you were there. Peter Holland and he used

603
00:33:54,813 --> 00:33:58,573
Speaker 2: to run a net at the basin, but his statistical

604
00:33:58,653 --> 00:34:02,373
Speaker 2: record reads well, but he only played ten test matches.

605
00:34:03,773 --> 00:34:07,453
Speaker 3: I certainly did have some contact with Stuey Dempster, not

606
00:34:07,533 --> 00:34:10,573
Speaker 3: at the basin Rods I was a little older, but

607
00:34:10,693 --> 00:34:14,693
Speaker 3: all the Evan Gray kind of era and Rob Burt Varnce,

608
00:34:14,773 --> 00:34:19,453
Speaker 3: those sort of people did Boots Edgar, but I went

609
00:34:19,533 --> 00:34:21,973
Speaker 3: round to his house. He and he had a little

610
00:34:22,013 --> 00:34:25,773
Speaker 3: sort of lawn up above his sitting room as he

611
00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:27,973
Speaker 3: looked up a little concrete wall and then his lawn.

612
00:34:28,253 --> 00:34:29,973
Speaker 3: And I used to play shots up there, and he

613
00:34:30,053 --> 00:34:32,093
Speaker 3: used to watch me from indies and then I'd go

614
00:34:32,133 --> 00:34:34,693
Speaker 3: down and he'd give me a few little notes. Yeah,

615
00:34:34,733 --> 00:34:37,773
Speaker 3: Stewie Dempster would be you know, and people who've gone

616
00:34:37,813 --> 00:34:39,653
Speaker 3: to the base and know that that's there, the name

617
00:34:39,693 --> 00:34:43,533
Speaker 3: of the gates at the southern end of the ground. Yes,

618
00:34:43,573 --> 00:34:47,533
Speaker 3: you're write ten tests averaging sixty five. But he's played

619
00:34:47,773 --> 00:34:52,373
Speaker 3: first class games one hundred and eighty four twelve thousand

620
00:34:52,413 --> 00:34:55,213
Speaker 3: and one hundred or whatever, runs at average forty five

621
00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:59,133
Speaker 3: thirty five hundred and fifty five fifties. Best average in

622
00:34:59,213 --> 00:35:01,693
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty seven, which was our first tour to England.

623
00:35:02,173 --> 00:35:06,613
Speaker 3: Best average of the lot New Zealand. The second test,

624
00:35:06,613 --> 00:35:09,333
Speaker 3: if you remember they've ever had nineteen thirty at the

625
00:35:09,373 --> 00:35:13,013
Speaker 3: base in reserve when Jack Mills and Stewie Dempster I

626
00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:15,653
Speaker 3: had that big partnership. If you walk around the base

627
00:35:15,693 --> 00:35:18,893
Speaker 3: in Reserve and promenade there, you'll find a little disk

628
00:35:18,973 --> 00:35:24,493
Speaker 3: in the ground commemorating that partnership. He got one hundred

629
00:35:24,533 --> 00:35:26,373
Speaker 3: and thirty six and then an eighty not out in

630
00:35:26,413 --> 00:35:29,613
Speaker 3: the second innings nineteen thirty one he got one hundred

631
00:35:29,613 --> 00:35:33,013
Speaker 3: and twenty at Lord's average fifty nine. On the tour.

632
00:35:33,853 --> 00:35:37,173
Speaker 3: He was captain in nineteen thirty one thirty two against

633
00:35:37,213 --> 00:35:41,533
Speaker 3: South Africa and also against England in thirty two thirty three.

634
00:35:41,733 --> 00:35:45,613
Speaker 3: So he really While he did settle in England and

635
00:35:45,653 --> 00:35:48,693
Speaker 3: played for a guy called Sir Julian Kahn, they came

636
00:35:48,693 --> 00:35:51,053
Speaker 3: out to New Zealand as well. Yeah, sort of a

637
00:35:51,133 --> 00:35:53,613
Speaker 3: team that he took around. He was a furniture magnate,

638
00:35:54,093 --> 00:35:58,093
Speaker 3: made heaps of money, played for Leicester over in England.

639
00:35:58,093 --> 00:36:01,093
Speaker 3: He ran the store there as well for Sir Julian Kahn.

640
00:36:02,013 --> 00:36:06,493
Speaker 3: But you know he's he's certainly to me could have.

641
00:36:07,013 --> 00:36:08,933
Speaker 3: He was in the top six bats in the world

642
00:36:08,933 --> 00:36:13,893
Speaker 3: at that time, great fielder, closure, fine player of slow bowling.

643
00:36:16,013 --> 00:36:18,813
Speaker 3: I think I think certainly he could have been part

644
00:36:18,813 --> 00:36:19,773
Speaker 3: of that group.

645
00:36:20,853 --> 00:36:24,413
Speaker 2: Anybody you see most because I mean you can't argue

646
00:36:24,413 --> 00:36:28,413
Speaker 2: with the names that are there. They are basically men

647
00:36:28,453 --> 00:36:30,653
Speaker 2: and women. The Hall of Fame of his Young.

648
00:36:30,493 --> 00:36:32,813
Speaker 4: Cricket, well that's true.

649
00:36:32,933 --> 00:36:35,613
Speaker 5: I mean there's one that I would I'd also added

650
00:36:35,653 --> 00:36:39,053
Speaker 5: as Martin Donnelly. You know, because of the time, how

651
00:36:39,053 --> 00:36:42,733
Speaker 5: many tests we played the intervention of the Second World War.

652
00:36:43,053 --> 00:36:47,333
Speaker 5: He only he played seven tests, only seven tests, high

653
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Speaker 5: score of two hundred and six five hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: two runs an average of fifty two. But his first

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00:36:55,373 --> 00:36:59,733
Speaker 5: class at games one hundred and thirty one. He was

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Speaker 5: he was, He was a cap at Oxford University. He

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00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:09,333
Speaker 5: averaged forty seven over overall overall US as is Korea

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Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty three. This was a genuinely classy player,

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Speaker 5: a great player, but intervene because of the Second World War,

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Speaker 5: the first England Tour when he was nineteen. Therefore a

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Speaker 5: lot of what he could have been was cut short.

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Speaker 5: So he would be one other that I would throw

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Speaker 5: in there. I mean, those are pretty phenomenal results. And

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Speaker 5: remember these sort of results or outcomes or statistics covered

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00:37:37,493 --> 00:37:41,533
Speaker 5: uncovered wickets, I say in England. You know that that

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Speaker 5: adds a whole different dimension when you look at those

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00:37:45,373 --> 00:37:50,373
Speaker 5: those statistics. That's special for Donaldy and Dempster, very special

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00:37:50,933 --> 00:37:55,453
Speaker 5: to me. They must haves and hopefully there's a second

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Speaker 5: round other than that. I'm not so sure. One hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: Sutcliffe Red then turn it, you know, no question, but

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Speaker 5: these two special players need some consideration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just throw in Jack Cowie as well.

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Speaker 3: Don't want to go about his figures and things once

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Speaker 3: because I know a short of time. But Jack Cowie

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Speaker 3: is another name. People are interested to have a look

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Speaker 3: see how he went Bull Cowie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, And I certainly don't argue with the list

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Speaker 2: that's been put up. Our good friend Francis Payne has

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Speaker 2: done the statistical work around this, and you wouldn't ever

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Speaker 2: want to argue with Francis pain He is meticulous in

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Speaker 2: his stats and I think that he would have probably

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Speaker 2: had the supporting role and the numbers that are there.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering five years after he retires, whenever that is,

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Speaker 2: Cain Williamson will be a certainty. Do they have a

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Speaker 2: zeal Hall of Fame twelve or fourteen or sixteen or

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Speaker 2: does somebody drop off the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, mate. Don't they just keep it adding

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Speaker 3: to it?

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Speaker 4: Do you add to it?

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00:39:01,813 --> 00:39:05,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just keep going twenty three, twenty four, whatever,

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00:39:06,773 --> 00:39:07,693
Speaker 3: just keep adding to it.

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Speaker 5: We've had a couple of emails.

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Speaker 2: I just mention a bit of one of them, and

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Speaker 2: it's come from Pack basically saying that the test at

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00:39:19,333 --> 00:39:21,533
Speaker 2: the basis Roove has just finished and really, when we

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00:39:21,573 --> 00:39:23,933
Speaker 2: examine the stats, the performance of the New Zealand side

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00:39:23,973 --> 00:39:27,773
Speaker 2: comes as no surprise at all, as you were saying,

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Speaker 2: and Pat has put down some stats for the team,

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Speaker 2: and basically his line was apart from young, no one

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00:39:36,813 --> 00:39:39,213
Speaker 2: was carrying any form to speak into this current series.

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Speaker 2: And yet he didn't play man for man. Everyone on

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00:39:42,693 --> 00:39:45,853
Speaker 2: the New Zealand side was outplayed by their English opponent.

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Speaker 2: And Steve comes in and he basically talks about the

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Speaker 2: overs allotment.

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Speaker 3: For what it's worth.

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Speaker 2: The expectation that ninety overs a day is laudable may

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00:39:58,333 --> 00:40:00,893
Speaker 2: now no longer be possible. There are simply too many

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Speaker 2: breaks in the day's play to achieve that ideal. Umpire decisions,

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00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:10,173
Speaker 2: decision reviews, the number of times the ball goes to

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Speaker 2: the boundary and it gets close to touching the boundary rope,

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Speaker 2: the waste of time doing that. But it was basically

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Speaker 2: poor old Steve saying sorry for the wonge, loving the

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Speaker 2: cricket and I'm a long time listener, so stay with us.

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Speaker 2: Steve will love hearing from you and we look forward

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Speaker 2: to hearing from you again. Thanks very much for your comments.

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Speaker 2: This morning, guys, look forward to the testaments. Jerry, you're

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00:40:36,853 --> 00:40:40,973
Speaker 2: wending your way slowly up the country. Mercy, you're going

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Speaker 2: to Hamilton.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, there's only so much that I

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Speaker 5: want to put myself through. I'm retreating to quietly to

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Speaker 5: the trenches and moses losing weight every Test.

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Speaker 3: It's extraordin.

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Speaker 2: Only getting three day lunches rather than five. Yeah, well

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Speaker 2: the same here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly what New Zealand had got to do was

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Speaker 3: is avoid being the third to lose three nil in

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Speaker 3: a home series that we've had. We've had thirty eight

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Speaker 3: three Test series in New Zealand. We've lost two of

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Speaker 3: only two of those three nil, once against Ozzie ninety

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Speaker 3: nine two thousand and once against England nineteen sixty two

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Speaker 3: sixty three. We don't want to add We don't want

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Speaker 3: to add another one. No, we don't. Thanks very rash, guys.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope we can talk positively next week about the

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Speaker 2: Black Cap side. I'm a little bit reticent to predict

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Speaker 2: them for a win, but you know I've made some

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Speaker 2: silly pronouncements in the past. Should I pick them for a.

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Speaker 5: Win, I'd like a half brought drawer would be quite good.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to find get to the fifth days exactly

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Speaker 3: what we want for.

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Speaker 2: Christmas is a five day test that.

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Speaker 3: I've had that before, haven't we win? Thanks guys, welcome.

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