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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Competitive sport that was followed by professional sport. More recently,

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Speaker 2: we've seen an explosion in E sport, introducing the latest

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Speaker 2: evolution of sport currently sweeping the globe A sport well

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Speaker 2: to be more accurate, AI sport. AI Artificial intelligence has

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Speaker 2: risen as an unstoppable, irresistible wave of smart technology around

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Speaker 2: the world. Its impact on the lives of people everywhere

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Speaker 2: cannot be overstated. A revolution, and it's changing the way

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Speaker 2: we think about, talk about, and coach sport. International sports

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Speaker 2: coaching expert Wayne Goldsmith joins us, You'll note that I've

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Speaker 2: used your intro that I saw on a LinkedIn post

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Speaker 2: during the week as my intro. How are you Wane?

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Speaker 3: I'm going, well, I'm just hoping that by the end

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Speaker 3: of this interview people don't think AI is Australian imbecile,

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Speaker 3: because I hopeing they're going to be inspired a little bit,

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Speaker 3: maybe Australian inspire a Hopefully I can inspire them to

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Speaker 3: realize that it is indeed an incredible breakthrough in sport.

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Speaker 4: If you can just spend a bit of time figuring

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Speaker 4: out how to use it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's try and give our listeners a

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Speaker 2: bit of guidance. AI in sport. Lots of hype around

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Speaker 2: about it. It's, as you've said, you know, prevalent in

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Speaker 2: everyday life now, so it stands to reason that people

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Speaker 2: involved in sport are going to use it as well.

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Speaker 2: Take us through a couple of the early stages perhaps

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Speaker 3: Well, it's something that I've got really invested in the

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Speaker 3: last particularly the last year. I think, even though I've

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Speaker 3: been in it for a long time, Piney, I think

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Speaker 3: my own rate of learning has accelerated at a speed

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Speaker 3: that even though I can't comprehend, I honestly walk out

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Speaker 3: of my mind for some days, and I say to

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Speaker 4: I can't believe what I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: I really cannot believe the way that I'm working and

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Speaker 3: how it's improved my ficial see, because what most people

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Speaker 3: do is they go I'll give chat GBT a go

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Speaker 3: I just I'll have a bit of a play I've

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Speaker 3: heard about this AI thing, and they go on a

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Speaker 3: chat and I'll ask a question like what's the best

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Speaker 3: passing drill to do in netball, and they'll get a

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Speaker 3: few answers and they go, oh, that's not very good.

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Speaker 4: I could get that from Google. It's because they asked

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Speaker 4: a Google question.

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Speaker 3: You've got to think of AI, particularly if you're a coach,

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Speaker 3: for example, you think of it.

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Speaker 4: In terms of it's an assistant coach.

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Speaker 3: So if you hire an assistant coach and say, can

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Speaker 3: you go run a few passing drills with those kids

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Speaker 3: on the other side, you.

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Speaker 4: Don't know what you're going to get. You could get.

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Speaker 3: Anything, good drills, bad drills to advance not you could

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Speaker 3: get anything. But if you're an assistant coach, you'd say,

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Speaker 3: the kids on the other side of the court, there

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Speaker 3: two years. They're really good at passing this way, but

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Speaker 3: they're not passing that way. Go and do some drills

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Speaker 4: I've got it. And AI is the same.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people in their early

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Speaker 3: stages they've treated it. Look, it's a Google prompt or

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Speaker 4: Go, well, this night good, I could do better.

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Speaker 3: But here's the trick Pointy Again, you don't think of

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Speaker 4: Don't think about it in terms of Google. You go,

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Speaker 3: must spend training them to understand what it is I'm

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Speaker 2: So you have to train AI to be your assistant coach.

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Speaker 2: Teach it as much as you can about like it's

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Speaker 2: what you're trying to do as well. Wayne. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you can't just say, you know, teach it to be

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Speaker 3: It absolutely and with your own philosophies. So the continuation

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Speaker 4: Now there's a good one. We could use that.

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Speaker 3: But if I then if I was to take a

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Speaker 3: goes hang on. I know how Piney wants to coach.

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Speaker 3: I understand his philosophies, and the information that you put

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Speaker 3: The beauty about AI though it learns very very quickly.

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Speaker 3: So it would come back to you, Poney and say,

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Speaker 3: looking at team passing drills which build on not just passing,

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Speaker 3: throw some suggestions at you which you'll go, I haven't

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Speaker 3: thought of that, and you're going to say yes or no,

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Speaker 4: So it's a learning thing.

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Speaker 3: One of the things you can do with AI, and

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Speaker 3: this has blown my mind over and over again, Binnie,

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Speaker 3: is that what you can quite often do after that

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Speaker 3: asked you, AI, and looking at what you gave me,

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Speaker 3: was there a better way, a smarter way, or a

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Speaker 3: it'll say, sure, Wayne, if you would have asked me

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Speaker 4: A base level. And I say to coaches, look, it

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Speaker 4: doesn't replace you never. You're not going to lose your job.

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Speaker 3: Still, the art of coaching, the connection with the hearts

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Speaker 3: That's still who we are and what we do. But

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Speaker 3: the efficiency that this provides in those really mundane jobs

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Speaker 4: It is quite a remarkable tool.

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Speaker 2: And I think the key thing here listening to you

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Speaker 2: and things like that. But it can't Can it replace

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Speaker 3: We never know where what happens with robots and elon

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Speaker 4: On in that world.

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Speaker 3: Is there a way that we can make all the

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Speaker 3: And instead of just asking the AI universe, they're effectively

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Speaker 2: And is there any danger we could come to rely

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Speaker 3: I think about it, But you know it's like, Look,

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Speaker 3: They can go to a completely different level. And I said,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I think that's what AI is very

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Speaker 3: a simple question like can you give me a swimming

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Speaker 3: training session for my fifteen year old's going to national

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Speaker 3: championships next week. Google can do that, Gemini can do that,

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Speaker 3: Chat can do that, Floyd can do that.

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Speaker 4: You know, Heaven help us.

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Speaker 3: You could get it from a book that's not being innovative,

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Speaker 4: So this is me putting in the wood. I said,

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Speaker 3: Claude comes back and says, that's fine, Wayne, You're not

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Speaker 4: Go and enjoy a view with the family. We'll pick

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Speaker 3: Seriously, and you're starting to go, what have I created

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Speaker 4: It is this X files? What am I doing?

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Speaker 3: But it's only repeating back to me what it's learnt

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Speaker 3: That seriously took three to four minutes to do a

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think about how volunteers and amateurs

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, you've landed on exactly the point I

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Speaker 2: of the notes you sent me that crystallizes this. AI

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Speaker 2: will provide the opportunity for more coaches to dedicate more

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Speaker 2: and as people. I'm not sure there's anything anything untoward

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Speaker 4: Think that's true.

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Speaker 3: Pointy is that the coaches, particularly volunteers, are so so

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Speaker 3: I'm poor, but you imagine if I said, you're a coach,

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Speaker 4: Videos so much. All that stuff we.

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Speaker 3: Can organize to do for you very quickly, very easily,

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Speaker 3: the free visions they're quite good. So you've got two

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Speaker 3: hours a week now, you could use that to build

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Speaker 3: stronger relations that you could go and join a gym

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many coaches out there there are

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Speaker 4: Give them back the only.

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Speaker 3: use for so many other things, including just being more

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Speaker 2: Wayne, as always an education speaking to you. People can

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Speaker 2: find out more at WG coaching dot com, across their

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Speaker 2: social media and a very active on LinkedIn. I'd encourage

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Speaker 2: about today to follow you on LinkedIn for more fantastic

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Speaker 2: advice and your little program ets that you put on there.

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Speaker 2: As always, mate, thanks for taking time for us here

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Speaker 2: on ZB and we'll catch up again soon.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Piney. Hopefully AI stands for always interesting.

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Speaker 2: That certainly does when it comes to you. My friend

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