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Speaker 1: Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper c Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be nineteen past five now. Jeff mc skimming has

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Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual exploitation in bestiality images

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Speaker 2: on his work devices. He's, obviously the former Deputy Police Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: admitted three charges of possessing the objection of w winterial

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Speaker 2: today in the Wellington District Course. He actually faced eight

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Speaker 2: charges but it's been reduced. He's going to be sentenced

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Speaker 2: next month on the seventeenth. Mark Mitchell is the police Minister.

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Speaker 3: Hi Mitch, Hi, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Are you relieved this is over?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm very pleased at Tom he's pleaded guilty, you know,

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Speaker 3: and it allows people to have some closure on this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was just it was abhorrent behavior and

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Speaker 3: this is without the right This is definitely the right

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Speaker 3: result and it just underlines that no one is above

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Speaker 3: the law.

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Speaker 2: Did you know about this before you appointed the police

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Speaker 2: commissioner which he was in the running for.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not going to go into too much detailer

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Speaker 3: than to say this to you, is that on becoming police,

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Speaker 3: I had some real challenges to deal with. JIVAM skimming

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Speaker 3: was one of them, and I'm still working through some

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Speaker 3: of those challenges.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that, Well.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to go I'm not going to elaborate

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Speaker 3: and go into it anymore than say that simple thing. Well,

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Speaker 3: they're not simple things. Actually, they're really important things like

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Speaker 3: taking our recruit course from sixteen weeks back to twenty weeks.

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Speaker 3: Police are moving away from an overuse of discretion. You

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Speaker 3: know that a previous government that had a heavy focus

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Speaker 3: on DEI and understanding police delivery, which was basically calling

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Speaker 3: the service racist and biased. All the focus in the

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Speaker 3: wrong places and what you end up happening as you

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Speaker 3: end up happening, this this sort of thing happening where

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Speaker 3: there's a loss of integrity and a degradation of standards.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you think this has caused reputational damage to

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Speaker 2: the police.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, it probably has, And I find that's very frustrating

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Speaker 3: because for every one officer, and it's a big organization,

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Speaker 3: and so you always going to have some people that

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Speaker 3: don't uphold the standards, but most of our police officers do.

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Speaker 3: They're out there every day, they're doing tens of thousands

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Speaker 3: of positive acts. I've been to two awards ceremonies of

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Speaker 3: the last week. Most of the awards handed out to

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Speaker 3: police officers who have saved members of the public's public lives,

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Speaker 3: and they are all let down. And no one feels

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Speaker 3: more let down when you get a rogue police officer

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Speaker 3: that behaves like this than our front line. And they

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Speaker 3: deserve our admiration, they deserve our respect, and they deserve

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Speaker 3: our support. And when we do identify a bad apple

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Speaker 3: in the barrel, then it's just got to be dealt

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Speaker 3: with quickly.

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Speaker 2: Does he get to keep his police pension or any

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Speaker 2: kind of perks from having been an officer?

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't know that. I'd have to check that

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Speaker 3: and come back to you, but all I can say

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Speaker 3: to you is that as soon as I became aware

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Speaker 3: of this, you know that the details of some of

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Speaker 3: the behavior, then I moved quickly to suspension. And then

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Speaker 3: you saw that had he not resigned, it was very

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Speaker 3: clear that he was going to be moved on by.

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Speaker 2: US, Mitch, and there was an order obviously that was done.

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Speaker 2: This was after he was busted doing this. Other officers

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Speaker 2: also have some material on their phones. How many more?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because we've got a commissioner now that's been appointed

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Speaker 3: by us that is beck focused.

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Speaker 2: On how many are been talking about Well.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to divide that that's an operational metaphor

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Speaker 3: the commissioner talk to not for me, but but I

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Speaker 3: just underline the fact that both the Commissioner and myself

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Speaker 3: have been very clear that we have got a big

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Speaker 3: focus on standards and integrity. They are non negotiable and

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Speaker 3: they're critically important for any organization, but in particular an

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Speaker 3: organization like the police.

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Speaker 2: Mitch, thank you so much for your time. Make Matchull

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Speaker 2: Police Minister.

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