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Speaker 1: Could this be the end of concussions as we know it?

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Speaker 1: A new portable med tech device from the company Neurochech

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Speaker 1: claims it has the ability to diagnose concussions on the

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Speaker 1: sideline in just two minutes. Doctor Doug King is a

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Speaker 1: sports injury research specialist and he's with me now. Good morning, Doug,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you think this is legit?

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Speaker 2: I think that the concept of legit the research backing

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Speaker 2: it isn't.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So this tech has been approved by the FDA

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Speaker 1: in America. If their stamp isn't good enough, why would

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Speaker 1: that be?

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Speaker 2: The FDA says that it's not going to hurt you.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't say that it's been researched, and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: say it's been validated.

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Speaker 1: How easy is it for a human to detect concussion

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Speaker 1: on a sideline.

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Speaker 2: It's not. It's one of the most complex things you

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Speaker 2: can try and detect. People that have never had a

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Speaker 2: concussion don't even know they've actually suffering the symptoms.

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Speaker 1: So what do we need tech to do? How would

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Speaker 1: this particularly? How does this claim to work?

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Speaker 2: This is claiming to work that it uses a signal

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Speaker 2: that is sent through to the eyes and detect at

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Speaker 2: the back of the head what you do with an EEG.

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Speaker 2: The problem is that the research that was done out

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Speaker 2: of Waka University last year by a PhD student identify

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Speaker 2: that and I quote, no evidence was found to support

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Speaker 2: neurocheck's use in the assessment or management for concussion in

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Speaker 2: rugby athletes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we really do just need to stick with

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Speaker 1: the human plan at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the science is there, the concept is

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Speaker 2: in there. It's just that we haven't got to that

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Speaker 2: point yet.

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Speaker 1: So it could be realistic at some point in.

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Speaker 2: The future most definitely, but as it currently stands, no, okay.

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Speaker 1: Is there aside from what we're currently doing. If this

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Speaker 1: isn't the solution to solving a you know, this increase

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Speaker 1: in concussion injuries, we're seeing what else could be.

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Speaker 2: Or they're doing blood tests. At the moment, we've just

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Speaker 2: commenced that through the hospital here in the Hut and

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Speaker 2: through aut University, and we're looking to see whether that

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Speaker 2: is viable. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going

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Speaker 2: on worldwide to look at how we can detect it

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Speaker 2: other than someone coming up and saying I think they

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Speaker 2: have a concussion. So the work is going on. We're

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Speaker 2: just not at the finish line yet to say yes,

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Speaker 2: this is it.

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Speaker 1: SONIW Dylan Rugby says that they'll proceed with caution using

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Speaker 1: this tech. Should they not at least give it a

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Speaker 1: go or do you think it's waste of time?

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Speaker 2: Well, if they're going to proceive a caution, then I

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Speaker 2: will be asking what research they've seen or what research

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Speaker 2: they're going to do, because I think too, based on

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Speaker 2: searching through all the databases that I did last night,

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Speaker 2: there wasn't anything published talking specifically of this technology that

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Speaker 2: is specific to a neurocheck.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your thoughts, Doug, appreciate that. Well,

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Speaker 1: there we go. I thought that was going to be

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Speaker 1: a winner. Maybe not quite yet, but hopefully sometimes near

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Speaker 1: in the future.

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