1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News talk Ed be 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: follow this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,692 --> 00:00:19,493 Speaker 2: So what can we expect or hope for on Saturday 4 00:00:19,573 --> 00:00:21,853 Speaker 2: night as the All Blacks face off with South Africa. 5 00:00:22,012 --> 00:00:25,493 Speaker 2: Huge anticipation, huge match. Sir Michael Jones is one of 6 00:00:25,573 --> 00:00:28,573 Speaker 2: our greatest All Blacks and has given an enormous amount 7 00:00:28,613 --> 00:00:31,453 Speaker 2: back to the sporting and PACIFICA communities as well. And 8 00:00:31,533 --> 00:00:34,373 Speaker 2: Sir Michael joins us on the phone right now. 9 00:00:34,813 --> 00:00:39,213 Speaker 3: Very good afternoons you, Matt and Tyler. 10 00:00:39,693 --> 00:00:41,773 Speaker 4: Hey, thanks so much for thanks for so much talking 11 00:00:41,772 --> 00:00:43,653 Speaker 4: to us. It's awesome to have you on the show. 12 00:00:43,893 --> 00:00:45,172 Speaker 4: Why do you think it's so hard to beat the 13 00:00:45,173 --> 00:00:46,213 Speaker 4: All Blacks at Eton Park? 14 00:00:50,053 --> 00:00:54,493 Speaker 5: Well, certainly that Leeden Park has it's got a suit 15 00:00:54,533 --> 00:00:58,493 Speaker 5: of mistique, and you know it is for us. New 16 00:00:58,573 --> 00:01:00,493 Speaker 5: Hill and Ruby plays and particularly those are spot of 17 00:01:00,573 --> 00:01:02,252 Speaker 5: All Blacks. That is the field of dreams. I mean 18 00:01:03,093 --> 00:01:06,572 Speaker 5: it's always been that for me, and I know that 19 00:01:06,893 --> 00:01:11,533 Speaker 5: you know, there's a there's a certain manda about that 20 00:01:11,773 --> 00:01:14,173 Speaker 5: space in place, particularly when the All Blacks are playing. 21 00:01:14,212 --> 00:01:17,853 Speaker 5: So you know, when we have our our people there 22 00:01:17,893 --> 00:01:22,092 Speaker 5: and and it's packed and it's full, and it's particularly 23 00:01:22,093 --> 00:01:24,292 Speaker 5: in a or anytime of the day, but on those 24 00:01:24,533 --> 00:01:29,493 Speaker 5: sort of cooler wintry evenings, which is probably going to 25 00:01:29,533 --> 00:01:32,133 Speaker 5: be a game to more night. There's something about it. 26 00:01:32,533 --> 00:01:38,493 Speaker 5: It just has a certain you know, sort of spirituous 27 00:01:38,533 --> 00:01:42,172 Speaker 5: sort of energy and presence and it works in our favor. 28 00:01:42,173 --> 00:01:44,413 Speaker 5: And I think there's all Blacks. We've just learned how 29 00:01:44,453 --> 00:01:47,413 Speaker 5: to use it to our best advantage and optimize and 30 00:01:47,493 --> 00:01:50,413 Speaker 5: capitalize on that advantage. And that's just something that the 31 00:01:50,453 --> 00:01:53,213 Speaker 5: All Blacks have done really well for, you know, for 32 00:01:53,253 --> 00:01:55,373 Speaker 5: these deets, for these three odd decades. 33 00:01:55,973 --> 00:01:58,573 Speaker 4: And speaking of Mana, you've famously scored the opening try 34 00:01:58,613 --> 00:02:00,293 Speaker 4: against the spring Box and the first day of a 35 00:02:00,333 --> 00:02:02,653 Speaker 4: Rugby World Cup match in nine to ninety seven. What's 36 00:02:02,693 --> 00:02:06,533 Speaker 4: it like playing the spring Box compared to other teams. 37 00:02:07,093 --> 00:02:08,933 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's always been you know, I know 38 00:02:08,973 --> 00:02:11,013 Speaker 5: for me growing up in sort of the seventies, and 39 00:02:11,373 --> 00:02:13,972 Speaker 5: I was provisibly part of that first all Black team 40 00:02:14,013 --> 00:02:17,173 Speaker 5: that went back in ninety three, no sorry, ninety two, 41 00:02:18,213 --> 00:02:21,972 Speaker 5: you know sort of post you know, post post the 42 00:02:22,013 --> 00:02:25,813 Speaker 5: apartheid period and where we had been sort of you know, 43 00:02:26,453 --> 00:02:29,093 Speaker 5: there was no contact rugby sporting contact the rest of 44 00:02:29,093 --> 00:02:30,893 Speaker 5: the world, and we the orb Blecks hadn't been back 45 00:02:31,093 --> 00:02:33,573 Speaker 5: in an official capacity anyway, So I was part of that. 46 00:02:33,613 --> 00:02:35,733 Speaker 5: And I think most of us who walked off that 47 00:02:35,853 --> 00:02:39,773 Speaker 5: plane sort of you know, touching South Arafkan sas like 48 00:02:40,213 --> 00:02:41,692 Speaker 5: probably heard many of us say that we used to 49 00:02:41,773 --> 00:02:45,173 Speaker 5: sort of kissed the kiss the ground, because that's always 50 00:02:45,173 --> 00:02:48,613 Speaker 5: been for us. And I know for me growing up 51 00:02:48,653 --> 00:02:52,613 Speaker 5: and watching Severn Williams playing them in that sort of 52 00:02:52,613 --> 00:02:57,533 Speaker 5: shady black and white footage in the seventies, it was 53 00:02:57,573 --> 00:03:00,493 Speaker 5: always Pinnacle and I suppose the benchmark in terms of, 54 00:03:01,213 --> 00:03:03,893 Speaker 5: you know, really what was the toughest team to play 55 00:03:03,893 --> 00:03:07,293 Speaker 5: and particularly when you played there, you know, the toughest 56 00:03:07,373 --> 00:03:09,813 Speaker 5: environment to play in. And I don't think that's changed 57 00:03:10,093 --> 00:03:13,813 Speaker 5: for anything. That's become even more so and become more entrenched. 58 00:03:14,693 --> 00:03:17,693 Speaker 4: So back to Saturday, do you think we're ready for 59 00:03:17,733 --> 00:03:20,252 Speaker 4: the inevitable high ball assault that's coming our way? 60 00:03:22,493 --> 00:03:25,333 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that's been an area that you know, 61 00:03:25,373 --> 00:03:27,453 Speaker 5: we've been sort of putting a little more pressure on 62 00:03:27,493 --> 00:03:31,333 Speaker 5: our back three in particular, and or anyone under that 63 00:03:31,453 --> 00:03:35,093 Speaker 5: high ball to secure And yeah, I'm sure it's going 64 00:03:35,133 --> 00:03:37,293 Speaker 5: to come our way that you know, they play in 65 00:03:37,373 --> 00:03:41,093 Speaker 5: the Russia. Arristhmus is obviously one of the most innovative, creative, 66 00:03:41,693 --> 00:03:46,733 Speaker 5: outside the box type you know, coaches and strategic minds 67 00:03:46,733 --> 00:03:51,733 Speaker 5: around rugby, world rugby, and he'll he'll he'll be wanting 68 00:03:51,733 --> 00:03:55,093 Speaker 5: to exploit every weakness he season. I think it's coming, 69 00:03:55,173 --> 00:03:58,133 Speaker 5: but I'm sure that and I feel I'd like to 70 00:03:58,133 --> 00:04:01,173 Speaker 5: feel very confident that our boys have been working hard 71 00:04:01,173 --> 00:04:03,053 Speaker 5: at that. You know, we're one thing about the All Blacks, 72 00:04:03,053 --> 00:04:06,333 Speaker 5: we're really good at, you know, working at the areas 73 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:09,733 Speaker 5: that we need to sort out. I know sometimes we 74 00:04:10,893 --> 00:04:14,693 Speaker 5: feel that it should happen yesterday, but I think it's 75 00:04:14,733 --> 00:04:17,413 Speaker 5: you know, in terms of the person now we've got 76 00:04:17,453 --> 00:04:20,853 Speaker 5: back there now and obviously you know Will and and 77 00:04:21,013 --> 00:04:24,893 Speaker 5: Money and and and Rico, you know, even Billy and Geordie. 78 00:04:24,893 --> 00:04:27,093 Speaker 5: I think I think, I think they're going to be 79 00:04:27,213 --> 00:04:30,693 Speaker 5: really ready for it. And I think again, we're going 80 00:04:30,733 --> 00:04:33,133 Speaker 5: to have to turn something that the opposition sees into 81 00:04:33,133 --> 00:04:35,893 Speaker 5: a weaknesses and strength, and I'm confident we'll do that. 82 00:04:35,933 --> 00:04:39,013 Speaker 5: And with that that that's again sort of been that 83 00:04:39,133 --> 00:04:42,293 Speaker 5: platform on which we can win. We win tests Edidon Park. 84 00:04:42,893 --> 00:04:45,333 Speaker 2: We are chatting to All Blacks great to Michael Jones 85 00:04:45,413 --> 00:04:48,133 Speaker 2: Micael Review felt and it seems to be a lot 86 00:04:48,173 --> 00:04:50,452 Speaker 2: of anticipation, a lot of excitement, a lot of energy. 87 00:04:50,493 --> 00:04:53,613 Speaker 2: Everybody is talking about this game. Are you feeling that 88 00:04:53,693 --> 00:04:56,653 Speaker 2: out in the community, that hype and that's electricity out there? 89 00:04:57,733 --> 00:05:01,493 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean you know that out number one 90 00:05:01,493 --> 00:05:04,053 Speaker 5: in the world. I know that they there's a bit 91 00:05:04,053 --> 00:05:07,133 Speaker 5: of spluttering with the playing the Aussies, but we know 92 00:05:07,213 --> 00:05:09,693 Speaker 5: that when they come and play us, whether it's here 93 00:05:09,813 --> 00:05:13,413 Speaker 5: or there, this is what This is the pinnacle for 94 00:05:13,453 --> 00:05:16,453 Speaker 5: them too. And it's such a hearty respect between the 95 00:05:16,453 --> 00:05:19,533 Speaker 5: spring Brocks and the All Blacks. And you know, I 96 00:05:19,573 --> 00:05:22,213 Speaker 5: think again in terms of the sheer combat and the 97 00:05:22,373 --> 00:05:26,733 Speaker 5: mental and physical and then every way test of your 98 00:05:26,773 --> 00:05:29,693 Speaker 5: mental as an All Black, there's nothing like playing the 99 00:05:30,253 --> 00:05:33,493 Speaker 5: spring Box and that's the same for them. So you 100 00:05:33,573 --> 00:05:35,253 Speaker 5: sort of sense that out there, you know, just people 101 00:05:35,333 --> 00:05:38,813 Speaker 5: are talking about it. You know, people are excited about it. 102 00:05:38,893 --> 00:05:42,773 Speaker 5: And I think again, it just really captures the imagination 103 00:05:42,893 --> 00:05:46,693 Speaker 5: of the rugby public because yeah, there's something about that 104 00:05:46,853 --> 00:05:50,293 Speaker 5: sort of you know, dark green jersey with those gold 105 00:05:50,333 --> 00:05:53,573 Speaker 5: collars and white shirts going against the all black nothing 106 00:05:53,653 --> 00:05:57,013 Speaker 5: like it. Yeah, there absolutely is such a real excitement 107 00:05:57,053 --> 00:06:00,333 Speaker 5: around the around the around the place, and that's great 108 00:06:00,333 --> 00:06:03,093 Speaker 5: for rugby and it's going to be an amazing night. 109 00:06:03,853 --> 00:06:07,933 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's exciting and terrifying. Now, So Michael, we're 110 00:06:07,933 --> 00:06:10,213 Speaker 4: going to put on the spot here. Which way do 111 00:06:10,213 --> 00:06:13,213 Speaker 4: you think it's going? And are you willing to make 112 00:06:13,253 --> 00:06:15,373 Speaker 4: a points prediction for Saturday night? 113 00:06:19,093 --> 00:06:21,973 Speaker 5: You know, I just know with with Art these hundredths game, 114 00:06:23,173 --> 00:06:25,533 Speaker 5: I just don't sense that our boys will let him 115 00:06:25,533 --> 00:06:28,133 Speaker 5: down and let us down. I mean, you know we 116 00:06:28,853 --> 00:06:31,253 Speaker 5: I think I think they they they're they're acutely aware 117 00:06:31,293 --> 00:06:33,733 Speaker 5: of of what it means to be playing at the 118 00:06:33,733 --> 00:06:37,653 Speaker 5: Fortress and defending that tradition, you know, that legacy of 119 00:06:37,893 --> 00:06:40,453 Speaker 5: those have gone before and warn the black jersey and 120 00:06:40,653 --> 00:06:46,213 Speaker 5: again Idi epitomizes that and he he, you know, he 121 00:06:46,293 --> 00:06:52,133 Speaker 5: symbolizes everything that's right and good and and I suppose 122 00:06:53,733 --> 00:06:57,093 Speaker 5: that is absolutely embodied and the values and the standards 123 00:06:57,213 --> 00:07:00,893 Speaker 5: of your black jersey. So with that sort of a 124 00:07:00,933 --> 00:07:03,893 Speaker 5: long winded I was, I was, I was, I was 125 00:07:03,893 --> 00:07:07,893 Speaker 5: biting for time. But yeah, we're gonna we're willin. We'll win. 126 00:07:09,573 --> 00:07:12,173 Speaker 5: I'd like to think between five and seven points and 127 00:07:12,293 --> 00:07:13,893 Speaker 5: we'll be happy for at one point when of course, 128 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:17,533 Speaker 5: but hey, let's let's I'm feeling good about tomorrow night 129 00:07:17,573 --> 00:07:20,613 Speaker 5: and the fact that you know there's there's something to 130 00:07:20,693 --> 00:07:24,533 Speaker 5: really celebrate and really play for. It's always a case 131 00:07:24,573 --> 00:07:27,573 Speaker 5: for any All Black tests, but against the Springbrocks, Adida 132 00:07:27,573 --> 00:07:31,133 Speaker 5: and Park hundreds that's the way I'm going. 133 00:07:31,293 --> 00:07:34,253 Speaker 2: Yeah, huge lover when by five to seven points would 134 00:07:34,253 --> 00:07:36,813 Speaker 2: be amazing. Sir Michael, thank you very much for having 135 00:07:36,813 --> 00:07:38,133 Speaker 2: a chat with us. Really enjoyed it. 136 00:07:39,213 --> 00:07:41,053 Speaker 5: Chis Matte, thanks, thanks Tayler. 137 00:07:41,213 --> 00:07:44,853 Speaker 2: That is Sir Michael Jones ahead of the massive match 138 00:07:45,133 --> 00:07:45,853 Speaker 2: against the All. 139 00:07:45,773 --> 00:07:47,813 Speaker 3: Blacks in South Africa to Eat and Park tomorrow nights. 140 00:07:47,933 --> 00:07:50,693 Speaker 4: What a legend this Texas is. How did you muppets 141 00:07:50,693 --> 00:07:52,773 Speaker 4: get the great Sir Michael Jones on your show? 142 00:07:52,813 --> 00:07:55,093 Speaker 3: Awesome? We don't know, I know, it's a good question. 143 00:07:55,013 --> 00:07:57,853 Speaker 4: And another text feel Batman's mana. 144 00:07:57,693 --> 00:08:00,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely an amazing man. 145 00:08:00,693 --> 00:08:03,333 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks d B, listen live on 146 00:08:03,413 --> 00:08:06,373 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 147 00:08:06,413 --> 00:08:08,973 Speaker 1: you go with our podcast on art Radio.