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Speaker 1: So today's the day the coppers start pulling back from

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Speaker 1: the mental health care out call outs. The threshold to

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Speaker 1: transport patients has increased. There will be fewer visits to

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Speaker 1: mental health clinics, handovers to health staff will be shorter.

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Speaker 1: Police Association President Chris Carr Hill back with us. Chris morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Mike. You're feeling good about this or not?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look we are. It's difficult that it's had to

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Speaker 2: be saying that we've sort of forced upon howth New

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Speaker 2: Zealand They haven't come honey willingly. But the bottom line

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Speaker 2: is it's about the patients. It's the right care from

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Speaker 2: the right people, and that's what's important. These people suff

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Speaker 2: framental stress aren't criminals.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not your fault. But I see this as

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Speaker 1: a mind field. I see any number of NGOs and

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Speaker 1: people wanting to stir trouble politically ringing, any number of

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Speaker 1: newsrooms going and I left them there and they did this,

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Speaker 1: and the police were nowhere to be seen, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And that's for you to deal with, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well. Look, police will still go to anyone that's risk

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Speaker 2: of harming themselves or harming someone else. That's still the

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Speaker 2: bottom line for police. But if we don't change, nothing

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Speaker 2: will change, and that's what we've learned from overseas. But

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Speaker 2: if police just stay in this space, and it's eleven

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Speaker 2: percent of all the jobs please go to with these

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Speaker 2: mental health jobs. So if police just stay there, nothing

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Speaker 2: will change. House have to step up and look after

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Speaker 2: these people.

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Speaker 1: Is it difficult for the individual comper to make the decision.

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Speaker 1: So you're sitting in a hospital ward, the person's unstable,

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Speaker 1: the nurses and the doctors are concerned. How long does

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Speaker 1: a police person stay there when nothing's actually happening.

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Speaker 2: But could well? Sometimes two or three ads I think

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Speaker 2: is the average, Sometimes five or six ass and that's

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Speaker 2: a ridiculous amount of time. But I think that's the

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Speaker 2: pressure point. Is police and nurses, yeah, on an operational level,

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Speaker 2: get on really well and understand what needs to be done,

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Speaker 2: and we don't want any tension going on there. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's the bit that's going to have to

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Speaker 2: be watched really closely. But that's where how they have

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Speaker 2: to step up and make sure they've got the resources

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Speaker 2: in place to assist these people and not just leave

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Speaker 2: police officers babysitting as they've done for years, hand.

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Speaker 1: On heart, you reckon this is going to go smoothly

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Speaker 1: or not, or we just don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think there'll be a few hiccups. But you know,

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Speaker 2: if we look at what's happen and overseas, that's led

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Speaker 2: to better outcomes for the patients and that should be

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Speaker 2: the most important thing. They're getting the help they need sooner.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Chris appreciated, as always, Chris Carr, Hill Police

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Speaker 1: Association President.

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