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Speaker 1: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with Say Thomas. Now, okay,

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Speaker 1: so why does Winston wanted to find define what a

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Speaker 1: man and a woman is in law?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's been on this issue for for quite some

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Speaker 2: time now. I think it's been been raced at the

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Speaker 2: top of the agenda again after that UK Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: ruling last week which which which redefined in British law

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Speaker 2: the term woman is basically being an adult, a biological female.

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Speaker 2: So he's Winston's always been been quite hot on the

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Speaker 2: sort of transgender issues. Uh. He was in favor of

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Speaker 2: a bit of a crackdown on transgender people in Sport

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Speaker 2: and uh and today, of course I'm probably enlightened that

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court ruling. He well, his party has put up

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Speaker 2: this members bill which will redefine a woman in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand law as an adult human biological female. And and

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Speaker 2: it's in the name of Jenny Marcroft. So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand First is doing a lot of these

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Speaker 2: members bills. The chances of it being drawn from ballods

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Speaker 2: are small, but yeah, it could. It could be quite dumb,

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Speaker 2: it could be quite bigger if it were drawn. Orthough

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it would pass.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 2: It would be what would be one of the interesting

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Speaker 2: things to be whether it be a conscience vote. It's

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Speaker 2: it's some of these issues do go down to a

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Speaker 2: conscience vote. If if that were the case, it would

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Speaker 2: be quite interesting. If not, however, I do wonder where

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Speaker 2: the nets would go. Then I think the parties of

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Speaker 2: the left would obviously be voting down, voting it down.

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Speaker 2: And if it were a national, if it were a national,

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Speaker 2: if it were a conscience vote, then you might see

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Speaker 2: some of the Nets join them when you think about

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Speaker 2: the way that the gender self id law with.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Thomas, this is why they've gone for a

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Speaker 1: member's bill and not a government bill because they cannot

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Speaker 1: be sure that they've got their own coalition party support

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Speaker 1: right precisely.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think, you know, if if you want

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Speaker 2: a government bill, you have to get it through cabnet

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Speaker 2: and I don't I don't think. I don't think they

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Speaker 2: would have they would have been able to get the

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Speaker 2: whole National Party.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so this is how they're going to differentiate

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Speaker 1: themselves come come next year an election to is they

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Speaker 1: going to say we start up for the stuff and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Coalition didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, precisely, And I think this is the third, the

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Speaker 2: third set of quite I suppose, you know, like headline

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Speaker 2: grabbing members bill of recent times. They had the anti

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Speaker 2: de I won a few months ago, and then and

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Speaker 2: then before that or around the same time as that,

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Speaker 2: they had the one about woke banking, which was a

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Speaker 2: crack down on banks and that sort of stuff. So

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Speaker 2: they usually these members bills to to kind of differentiate

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Speaker 2: themselves from the other two parties, and they're getting somewhere

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Speaker 2: with it. The banking bill was a major talking point

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Speaker 2: at the Finance and Expenditure so that the committee and the

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Speaker 2: bank chief executives with you, so they are working for them.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay. So what what is Luxeon going to

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Speaker 1: talk with when he talk about when he meets with

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Speaker 1: kir Starmer later today.

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Speaker 2: He's been the British Prime minister overnight our time. The

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Speaker 2: I think the big the big thing two things on

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Speaker 2: the agenda are the government's big trade agenda. There's a

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Speaker 2: big push to make sure that New Zealand and the

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Speaker 2: UK are harnessing those trade links. We obviously got that

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Speaker 2: that trade agreement with the with the EU. Part of

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Speaker 2: me with the UK gosh prebix at times, which is

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Speaker 2: one of our best trade agreements. So he's going to

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Speaker 2: talk about that and try to build those trade lengths.

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Speaker 2: And obviously the Ukraine support. I think our total support

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Speaker 2: to Ukraine now is over one hundred and fifty two

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Speaker 2: New Zealand million million New Zealand dollars. Sorry, And one

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Speaker 2: of the big things that we do in the UK

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Speaker 2: with in regard to Ukraine as we're training Ukrainian troops

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Speaker 2: that we've trained nearly fifty thousand troops as part of

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Speaker 2: the mission in Ukraine. So that's big on the agenda too,

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Speaker 2: because obviously that's on their doorsteps.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a weird one for you. Why has

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Speaker 1: Chris Hopkins been meeting with this gaming developer? What's going

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Speaker 1: on there?

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting one. And in Later's last budget they

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Speaker 2: announced these subsidies for gaming companies, much like the film subsidies.

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Speaker 2: They have been quite successful. It means the gaming companies

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Speaker 2: have stayed in New Zealand. So that's a good thing,

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Speaker 2: but obviously it comes at a massive cost to the

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Speaker 2: crown in terms of the subsidy that's paid out. Much

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Speaker 2: like the film subsidy, so it's a controversial topic. It

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Speaker 2: comes from the taxes we pay and it goes to

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Speaker 2: companies that are that are doing pretty well. But the

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Speaker 2: gaming companies say, and they're telling the truth, that if

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Speaker 2: these subsidies didn't exist, that all that all upsticks and

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Speaker 2: move to Australia. So that's a real catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: If we want them here, we have to pay, but

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Speaker 2: can we afford it. Well, the numbers would say that

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Speaker 2: it's a bit of a struggle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah too, right, Thomas, Hey, thanks very much mate, you

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Speaker 1: really appreciate its. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. For

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