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Speaker 2: Today, therb and their cash Right call at the US

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Speaker 2: and the Russians had a word over an Answer Brown

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Speaker 2: Rot that gob smacking report to the public Service. A

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Speaker 2: Hamish Kurve Winner, He's willis Ginyan Market, the Politics after Rate,

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Speaker 2: Richard Arnold Steeve Price they.

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Speaker 3: Bring the gold as well, pasking.

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Speaker 2: Middle of the week, seven past six, As we await

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Speaker 2: today's pronouncement from the Reserve Bank on our much debated

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Speaker 2: cash rate, can I remind you of a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: One the article I quoted from and alerted you to

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Speaker 2: last week from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, which looked at

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Speaker 2: the Australian economy and compared it to ours specific like

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Speaker 2: for like examples, which included the Reserve Bank's approaches to

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Speaker 2: monetary policy and jobs. The conclusion could be seen in

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Speaker 2: the desertion of New Zealand by the tens of thousands

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Speaker 2: that had hopped on a plane to Australia. The second

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Speaker 2: example came last week at the Wycat University Economic Forum,

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Speaker 2: where some economist sat on a stage told us of

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Speaker 2: the staggering incompetency of our Reserve Bank and its maniacal

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Speaker 2: approach to throwing money at stuff, despite the fact that

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Speaker 2: after a while a lot of the fears that had

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Speaker 2: been peddled didn't actually come to pass, and as a result,

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Speaker 2: throwing more money it stuff would be counterproductive. And yet

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Speaker 2: they did it, and as a result we got a

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Speaker 2: level of inflation a mile higher than it needed to be.

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Speaker 2: And once that all worked its way through the system,

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Speaker 2: we had to lay off a whole lot more people

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Speaker 2: than Australia. Remembering, of course, Australia's jobless rate is less

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Speaker 2: than four percent of ours azo over five still climbing.

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Speaker 2: Hence today when another large cut is coming, because so

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Speaker 2: many things came to a halt, we had a recession.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we had three recessions, while Australia had exactly none.

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Speaker 2: The debate today is whether it's the last big cut

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Speaker 2: I e. Fifty points. They will argue inflation is well contained,

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Speaker 2: which in and of itself is an issue given they

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Speaker 2: have done the job, and yet where's the normality, where's

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Speaker 2: the growth? Whereas the damage they've caused so great. We

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Speaker 2: might have a little bit of inflation, falling interest rates,

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Speaker 2: and we still can't get ourselves off our knees, remembering,

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Speaker 2: of course, that a lot of an economy is psychological.

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Speaker 2: Will you speak, will you hire? Is their growth? Do

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Speaker 2: you take a punt? That's the narrative of the government,

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Speaker 2: of course, are desperately working on at the moment. I

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Speaker 2: still argue and the HSBC backed me up with their

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Speaker 2: summation that no one anywhere got hit economically like us,

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Speaker 2: that the Reserve Bank and their actions have a lot

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Speaker 2: to answer for, and to this point they've gotten away

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Speaker 2: with it largely. Scott Free.

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Speaker 3: News of the World in ninety three, right warn News.

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Speaker 2: As you've heard, the Russians and the Americans had words

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Speaker 2: overnight in rear.

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Speaker 4: The goal is to bring an end to this conflict

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Speaker 4: in a way that's fair and enduring, sustainable and acceptable

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Speaker 4: to our parties involved. What that looks like, well, that's

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Speaker 4: what this what the ongoing engagement is going to be

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Speaker 4: all about.

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Speaker 2: And given Europe and Ukraine weren't their major concern is one,

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Speaker 2: well they're not there, but to a fear as to

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Speaker 2: where the Russia can be held to any deal.

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Speaker 3: It is capable to provide guarantees. It's not about goodwill,

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Speaker 3: it's about.

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Speaker 5: The strength of the country.

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Speaker 1: And why do we need this, why do we need

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Speaker 1: this security guarantee in order not to give Rusher was

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Speaker 1: charged repeat, there was a horrible war.

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Speaker 2: That's Zelenski translated War number two. Ceasefires holding more hostages

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Speaker 2: around this weekend.

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Speaker 6: All six who were due to be released who is

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Speaker 6: still alive in this phase of the ceasefire will come

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Speaker 6: out on Saturday, four who were taken on October the seventh,

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Speaker 6: and also two who have been in har mass captivity

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Speaker 6: since twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Then yesterday's Canadian plane crash. Everyone survived, but what a run.

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Speaker 3: There was no warning from the pilot. There was no

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Speaker 7: I didn't feel like anything was wrong until kind of

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Speaker 7: just like the second the wheels touched the ground.

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Speaker 3: Then it all kind of went and mayhem from there.

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Speaker 2: Question is still around how it all went wrong. It's

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Speaker 3: It's really important that we do not speculate.

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Speaker 8: What we can say is a runway was dry and

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Speaker 8: there was no cross wind conditions.

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Speaker 2: And then to Britain where the farmers had a meeting

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Speaker 9: There was absolutely no empathy for the section of our

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Speaker 9: community that are in the eye of this storm that

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Speaker 9: don't expect to live for seven.

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Speaker 3: Years, whether they be young or old.

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Speaker 2: If they don't expect to live for seven years, they

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Speaker 2: have no ability to plan.

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Speaker 3: There was no empathy for those big people.

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Speaker 2: Finally want to follow New York met Eric Adams is

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Speaker 2: in real trouble this morning. He's scandal plague of pills

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Speaker 2: allegedly accepting Numerous bryants and various countries have been charged.

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Speaker 2: But then Trump got involved one of them charges dropped

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of deputies then quit. Judge wants a word

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Speaker 2: this morning. Meantime, the governor, Kathy Hokl has called a

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Speaker 2: crisis meeting to see whether they're again a second. So

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Speaker 2: we'll keep you posting news of the world in ninety

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Speaker 2: to all go this morning, deary will get you to

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Speaker 2: the numbers. Numbers are okay, They're not great, but they're okay.

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Speaker 2: And then Michelle from the Reserve Bank in Australia, speaking

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Speaker 2: of reserve banks a quarter point. Everyone went wahoo until

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Speaker 2: she went we'll hold on here and then poured cold

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Speaker 2: water all over so more shortly twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: Farmers may not be happy, but the wages average wages

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Speaker 2: in Britain can continuing to outpace inflation, which is always

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Speaker 2: a good sign. That's both in the public and the

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Speaker 2: private sector. Three point four percent between October and December,

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Speaker 2: and the unemployment rate remains unchanged at four point four

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Speaker 2: percent fourteen per six by that day. One man Jay

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Speaker 2: am I Wealth Andrew Callah, Good morning, morning Mike. Given

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Speaker 2: what we've seen in the dairy. The dairy although flat

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Speaker 2: this morning, flat Hash, It's okay, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, a bit of a pause in the UPWI momentum

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Speaker 10: and dairy prices. So global Dairy Trade Price Index has

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Speaker 10: fallen zero point six percent, so less than one percent

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Speaker 10: four So I don't think that's a material fall, is it.

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Speaker 10: The index was pulled lower by two and a half

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Speaker 10: percent fall in skim milk powder. I think that's probably

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Speaker 10: the most significant move across the products skim milk powder.

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Speaker 10: When I look at it, it's really been range trading

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Speaker 10: sort of since last August and the sort of two

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Speaker 10: thy seven hundred, two thousand, nine hundred range and the

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Speaker 10: key milk whole milk powder product, that category fells zero

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Speaker 10: point two percent.

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Speaker 2: That's more or less unchanged, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: That's the product that's been on a pretty strong upward trend.

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Speaker 10: That trend hasn't been without replacements along the way, remember,

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Speaker 10: So it's you know, it's not been a straight upward line.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 10: Isn't it all about just holding the current levels now?

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Speaker 10: I mean the payout is at a pretty good level,

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Speaker 10: so I think you've achieved that.

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Speaker 2: Look, but it was up two point two percent.

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Speaker 10: Michael would make the comment that, remember, these commodity prices

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Speaker 10: do eventually feed through to the supermarket, as we saw

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Speaker 10: in the food price indexed data last week. So it's

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Speaker 10: good for producers, but consumers do pay the price in

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Speaker 10: the end.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that is true. Michelle from the bank yesterday, geez,

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Speaker 2: it was all on twenty five points until she started talking,

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Speaker 2: and then it was all upside risk and don't go

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Speaker 2: spending any money into all over.

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Speaker 10: I think it was the most begrudging quarter of percent

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Speaker 10: fall I've seen in the world. So yeah, we've got

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Speaker 10: the RBNZ today, Mike. We won't spend too much time

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Speaker 10: on that. It's it's time to wait and get the announcement. Really,

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Speaker 10: isn't it fifty basis points? It is priced in the

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Speaker 10: Arbanzad can see the spare capacity in the market. They've

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Speaker 10: already signaled this. It's the forward projections I think are

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Speaker 10: less clear. And some of this came through in the

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Speaker 10: RBA commentary as well. Because inflation in the US has

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Speaker 10: stopped falling. We here have got hints of inflation, We've

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Speaker 10: got elevated trade policy uncertainly.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's all about the outlook.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it was a super begrudging call from the RBA yesterday.

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Speaker 10: The cash rate dropped twenty five basis points to four

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Speaker 10: point one percent. The hawkish call, it's the hawkish cut,

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Speaker 10: as it's been called, I think was that's probably a

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Speaker 10: good description, and that came through in the language in

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Speaker 10: the statement and was reinforced by the language used by

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Speaker 10: Governor Michelle Bullock at the subsequent press conference. They said

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Speaker 10: progresses might be made on inflation, but they're cautious about

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Speaker 10: their outlook.

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Speaker 2: Upside risks remain.

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Speaker 10: Some recent labor data has been unexpectedly strong. They do

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Speaker 10: seem a bit worried about the labor market, like the

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Speaker 10: actually the central forecasts for their inflation they've actually moved

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Speaker 10: it up a little in twenty twenty six. And I

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Speaker 10: think you were just talking about the jobs market. They've

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Speaker 10: moved down their unemployment rate forecast to four point to

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Speaker 10: the peak it was at four point five. We're looking,

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Speaker 10: you know, we're at five exactly where we're above that,

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Speaker 10: and we're still going. I think one aspect that should

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Speaker 10: be reflected in today's arbien Z commentary that was evident

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Speaker 10: there was this highlighting of global uncertainty, and you can't

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Speaker 10: articulate that in the forecast, can you, because it's uncertain

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Speaker 2: But it will feature exactly we will the Heartland bank thing.

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Speaker 2: Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm banks in

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Speaker 2: general of late have been putting less and less aside

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Speaker 2: for troubled loans and yet suddenly, bang, it's fifty million. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this was surprising.

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Speaker 10: I think, yes though, so Internet reporting, INTERDETX reporting season,

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Speaker 10: no announcement yesterday, but it's interesting news for a Heartland bank,

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Speaker 10: not one of the majors, but It's part of the

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Speaker 10: banking environment, isn't it. Yes, they announced an impairment expense

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Speaker 10: of just under fifty million dollars, and that's in response

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Speaker 10: to the impact of ongoing deterioration of economic conditions, so

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Speaker 10: they've effectively reassessed the potential to not recover these loans.

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Speaker 10: The loans go bad in this case relates mainly to

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Speaker 10: areas within the bank's motor finance and their business lending portfolios.

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Speaker 10: So you get the weak economic conditions, you lose your job,

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Speaker 10: you can't repay your loan. Your business is losing money,

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Speaker 10: you can't repay your loan. Heartland is getting tougher on

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Speaker 10: deck collections. But you need to put this, let's call

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Speaker 10: it fifty million dollars in context. Last year they made

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Speaker 10: profit of seventy four and a half, so fifty million

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Speaker 10: is a great big chunk of the potential profit. So

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Speaker 10: it's a big number and the market did.

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Speaker 2: Not like that.

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Speaker 10: So the share price hit about fifteen percent, which is

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Speaker 10: quite a big move, and it shall we contrast it

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Speaker 10: to the turners an away quickly?

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Speaker 2: Are they the new Briscoes and freightways? They seem to

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Speaker 2: be able to do no wrong.

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Speaker 11: Exactly.

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Speaker 10: So they release their full year profit announcement push guidance

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Speaker 10: up but from fifty to fifty three million. This is

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Speaker 10: despite the challenging economic conditions. If they get their fifth

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Speaker 10: consecutive record results and that includes their Moti Finance division.

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Speaker 2: It was this time yesterday the so called emergency crisis summit.

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Speaker 2: The idea is the chatbot employees self correcting methods to

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Speaker 1: car it by Newstalks B.

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Speaker 2: This needs more coverage too. Sneaky little petrol companies MB

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Speaker 2: Fuel and Porter margin has crept up to fifteen to

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Speaker 2: sixteen percent. Is that bad? Yes, it is right throughout

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Speaker 2: the start of twenty five. The long term average over

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Speaker 2: the past twenty years. I'll come back to this with

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Speaker 2: more detail later, but the long term average over the

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Speaker 2: past twenty years is eleven percent? Sudden it's running at

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Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen percent. Now you ask why brad Olsen looked

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Speaker 2: at this no clear reason. They're just ripping us off

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Speaker 2: six forty.

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Speaker 17: Five international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 17: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 7: So Tid Reginald morning to you a good wedding mane.

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Speaker 2: Now was this true? So they sack these people, then

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Speaker 2: they go to hire them, but they can't find them.

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Speaker 2: What the hell is going on?

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Speaker 18: You know?

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Speaker 7: The latest government sackings here way Elon Muscular's minions have

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Speaker 7: turned into a total fast funny if it wasn't really dangerous.

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Speaker 7: The Nuclear Security ad Minute Stration was given just a

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Speaker 7: few hours to fire hundreds of their workers as part

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Speaker 7: of Musk's government efficiency deal. But these Muskites didn't even

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Speaker 7: know who they were sacking. The managers were given two

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Speaker 7: hundred characters or less. I guess they had to prove

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Speaker 7: robots first, too right to explain why their workers matted,

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Speaker 7: So they drop a list of essential workers and pleaded

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Speaker 7: to keep these people on the job. None of that

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Speaker 7: mattered to Elon Musk and co. Hundreds of these staffers

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Speaker 7: were sacked and their emails work emails were cut off,

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Speaker 7: leaving the Hanford Nuclear site with only a skeleton crew.

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Speaker 7: Hanford is where they produced the plutonium that the United

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Speaker 7: States dropped on used in bombs that were dropped on

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Speaker 7: Japan to end World War II. They had nine nuclear

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Speaker 7: reactors operating on site at one point, but it remains

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Speaker 7: an area with the highest radiation dangers. The NN essay

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Speaker 7: the nuclear security people oversee the fifteen hundred square kilometer location,

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Speaker 7: which is the most contaminated radioactive site in the West.

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Speaker 7: In nineteen seventy six, there was an explosion at one

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Speaker 7: building at Hanford, and the radiation was so intense they

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Speaker 7: couldn't even start to go in and try to clean

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Speaker 7: it up for twenty nine years. Do you think they

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Speaker 7: should be looking after this place? Trump just fired the

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Speaker 7: people who do this work, through Elon Musk and his

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Speaker 7: teenagers and twenty somethings. Once they sacked these folks, they

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Speaker 7: had second thoughts, maybe nuclear security is important, so they

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Speaker 7: tried to rehire them, but they found they could not

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Speaker 7: reach them because they'd cut them out of their email network.

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Speaker 7: They don't know how to get to these people. Trump

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Speaker 7: also has begun firing folks at the Pacific Northwest National Lab,

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Speaker 7: which also does nuclear security. The agency Trump just gutted

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Speaker 7: runs as well the US nuclear labs and expects US

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Speaker 7: nuclear weapons to make sure they are secure and that

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Speaker 7: the weapons are not stolen, no terrors get in whatever.

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Speaker 7: Trump and must just sack several hundred of those experts

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Speaker 7: as well. Now, since they cut them off from their

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Speaker 7: work emails, they have no way to say, oops, we

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Speaker 7: want to unfire you. So all this was done by

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Speaker 7: Doge or Doggie or whatever self named government efficiency team.

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Speaker 7: Trump had Musk and his kids fired these nuclear experts

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Speaker 7: with no idea what they actually were about. So that's

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Speaker 7: the problem. But at least Elon Musk gets, of course,

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Speaker 7: billions upon billions of dollars to build those rocket ships

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Speaker 7: from Mars since he expects the planet Earth will be destroyed.

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Speaker 2: I've been watching the video of the plane and did

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Speaker 2: one wheel fold up when it landed? Do we know

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Speaker 2: what's going on here?

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Speaker 7: It might have been the only thing that was intact right.

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Speaker 7: Pictures of the wreckage certainly suggested it was a bit

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Speaker 7: of a miracle that this flight from Minneapolis to Toronto

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Speaker 7: got on the ground with no one being killed. Eighty

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Speaker 7: people were on board. Passenger John Nelson says that plane

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Speaker 7: hit pretty hard, and then he says.

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Speaker 19: It was just incredibly fast. There was a giant firewall

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Speaker 19: down the side. I could actually feel the heat through

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Speaker 19: the glass, and then we were going sideways. I'm not

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Speaker 19: even sure how many times we like tumbled, but we

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Speaker 19: ended upside down.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we've just had a briefing. Twenty one people have

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Speaker 7: been injured. Two of these folks have critical injuries remained

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Speaker 7: in hospital. Another passenger, Peter Kukoff, who was able to

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Speaker 7: take some video of his departure from the wreckage of

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Speaker 7: the plane. A plane crash, Yeah, people hanging like bat

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Speaker 7: said another meantime, the airport fire chief said this.

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Speaker 19: The runway was dry and there was no cross wind conditions.

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Speaker 7: Really, that is not what passenger Nelson was saying.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 19: The winds were a weapon pretty hard and the runways

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Speaker 19: were snow covered.

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Speaker 7: Well, we could all see that the wind was blasting

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Speaker 7: or there were no cross winds. Only one of those

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Speaker 7: accounts can be accurate, right, But some are noting that

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Speaker 7: this is the fifth plane crash since Trump took office. Now,

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Speaker 7: US air safety investigators had taken action against Elon Musk's

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Speaker 7: SpaceX so Musk insisted that the Federal Aviation Administration boss

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Speaker 7: be fired, and that person resigned on the day Trump

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Speaker 7: was sworn in. Trump didn't bother to appoint a replacement

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Speaker 7: to run the Air Safety Agency until after the mid

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Speaker 7: air collision near Washington Reagan National Airport some days ago,

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Speaker 7: the one that killed fifty seven people. That soon was

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Speaker 7: followed by another deadly plane crash in Philadelphia, then another

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Speaker 7: in Alaska, then yet another plane crash would a tug

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Speaker 7: in Chicago, and a flight caught fire in Houston, and

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Speaker 7: two aircraft smashed into each other in Washington State the

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Speaker 7: other day, and a small ye at karin Off a

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Speaker 7: runway in Arizona. The US has sent an FAA team

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Speaker 7: off to Toronto right now to help investigate this latest

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Speaker 7: air disaster. But the Trump administration just between let me

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Speaker 7: see air crashes four and five told hundreds of FAA

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Speaker 7: staffers that they are being sacked as well, and many

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Speaker 7: expect to be locked out of their officers this very day.

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Speaker 7: So air safety, nuclear safety seemingly not a priority.

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Speaker 2: So you appreciate it. Back to New York, Eric Adams

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Speaker 2: also involving Trump, so he's been dodgy. Is all dodginess

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Speaker 2: for a while. They go to Eric and go, hey,

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Speaker 2: these charges, don't worry about it, will drop that, to

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Speaker 2: which his various attorneys go what the hell and they quit.

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Speaker 2: And so now a judge this morning, a guy called

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Speaker 2: dale Ho, Manhattan District judge, suggests he's not going to

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Speaker 2: rub a stampless deal because it's highly unusual that the

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Speaker 2: DJO go to them, and the reason they want the

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Speaker 2: charges dropped, it's alleged, is because Eric's gonna help Trump

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Speaker 2: and co. With the business of the illegal immigrants in

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Speaker 2: New York City. Night Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Casting Breakfast with Bailey's real estate news dogs.

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Speaker 2: Debbie ran Roach later on two things that shocked me

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Speaker 2: yesterday morning, Mike, why would you be surprised the Mary

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Speaker 2: parties Debbie and PS is ignorant about New Zealand matters

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Speaker 2: when Labours Chris Hipkins didn't even read the headlines Labor

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Speaker 2: the Greens into party Marry or Birds are the same

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Speaker 2: ignorant feather. The other thing that came out the kup

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Speaker 2: mar case, which we're still standing by for Pink to

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Speaker 2: make a decision on immigration. Another government department told us

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Speaker 2: yesterday they did not know how many children had been

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Speaker 2: deported because their parents did not have residents in the country.

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Speaker 2: So lord knows how many people are wandering around the

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Speaker 2: place illegally in this country. Why would that be Well,

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Speaker 2: obviously because they're incompetent. But the data is limited. It's

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Speaker 2: influenced by simple factors they tell us, visa validity, historical

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Speaker 2: data entry issues, which means fat thumb people put the

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Speaker 2: wrong numbers in missing and inaccurate border movements or both.

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Speaker 2: So pretty much when you look to the public service,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure there are some very good people in

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Speaker 2: the public service, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: what Brian Roche found yesterday are not to do with

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Speaker 2: the Kumar case but to do with the Manurewa Maria.

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Speaker 2: You just can't make it up. You literally cannot. If

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Speaker 2: you set out to be incompetent. If you woke up

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Speaker 2: and went I'm going to be really useless today, you'd

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Speaker 2: really struggle to outperform what he found. Anyways, with us

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Speaker 2: later five minutes away from seven, all.

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Speaker 1: The ins and the outs, it's the fizz with business favor.

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Speaker 1: Take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we're paying for it. Got more insight into

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Speaker 2: the magic of the workplace, speaking of which this morning,

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Speaker 2: the value of employee well being. So we've got this

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Speaker 2: report from you Are Group. They consolidated findings from Harvard,

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Speaker 2: ox for MIT and Deloitte, and they found the companies

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Speaker 2: that prioritize employees well being, whatever that may be, significantly

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Speaker 2: outperform the market. And it says financially smart for businesses

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Speaker 2: to be doing this. High well being scores that a

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Speaker 2: company translate to three times higher shareholder returns, fifty percent

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Speaker 2: las start turnover, twenty one percent increased profitability. For every

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Speaker 2: buck you invest in employee well being, businesses can expect

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Speaker 2: four dollars back, and of course you get the reduced absenteeism,

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Speaker 2: all of which sounds fantastic. But despite the benefits of

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Speaker 2: well being, the well being by the way that eighty

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Speaker 2: five percent of executives say helps them be competitive, you

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Speaker 2: got it, they don't actually do it. Only twenty percent

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Speaker 2: of companies have a particular well being strategy in place.

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Speaker 2: Only two percent actually use that data from their programs

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Speaker 2: to help guide some of their decisions. So once again,

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Speaker 2: it's all theory which brings me to my hero of

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Speaker 2: the week, Jamie Diamond of JP Morgan, who was caught

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Speaker 2: on a leaked tape rallying against gen zetters who work

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Speaker 2: from home bullshit bureaucracy. His words not mined. He slow

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Speaker 2: decision making, phone calls going on answered younger recruits being

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Speaker 2: left behind because of the shift to remote working. He

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Speaker 2: hates it. Don't give me the shit that worked from

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Speaker 2: home Friday works. I call a lot of people on

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Speaker 2: Fridays and there's not a goddamn person you can get

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Speaker 2: hold of. I've had it with this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: He's concerned about the damage working from home was doing

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Speaker 2: to these young recruits. Accused the managers of failing to

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Speaker 2: keep the practice under control, of abusing the privilege to

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Speaker 2: slack off. There's no chance, and I'm going to leave

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Speaker 2: it up to managers. Zero chants. The abuse that took

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Speaker 2: place is extraordinary. A lot of you were effing zoom

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Speaker 2: and you were doing the following, looking at your email,

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Speaker 2: sending text to each other about what an asshole the

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Speaker 2: other person is not paying attention, not reading your stuff.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't think that slows down efficiency, Creativity

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Speaker 2: creates rudeness, it does, go Jamie, give him a knighthood.

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Speaker 2: I would news in a couple of moments. And then

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Speaker 2: but everyone's calling fifty. But the big question is what

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Speaker 2: happens after that. We'll talk to when economists get the details.

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Speaker 1: Darn the breakfast show, Kiwi's trust to stay in the know,

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Speaker 1: the Mike Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real estate owning the buyers.

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Speaker 3: Others can't use togs had been.

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Speaker 2: Seven past seven. So Australia came to the punter's party

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Speaker 2: yesterday with their first interest rate cut and over four

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Speaker 2: years today it's our turn. We've been in the cut business,

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Speaker 2: of course for ages, given we overheated the place. And

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Speaker 2: it's another fifty today. But then what next is the

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Speaker 2: interesting scenario. BNZ chief economist Mike Jones with us Mike Morning.

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Speaker 2: Is there any anyone out there who doesn't say fifty?

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Speaker 11: Not?

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Speaker 20: As far as I'm aware. It's just about as consensus

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Speaker 20: a view as are ever going to get. I mean,

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Speaker 20: all of the people like me are calling it, and

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Speaker 20: markets are baked in a fifty with just about one

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Speaker 20: hundred percent precision, So yeah, it looks looks unindusted from.

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Speaker 2: That, and some of these numbers we've seen in the

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Speaker 2: last week or so. The inflation figures might be a

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Speaker 2: bit of life there, the manufacturing services sector turning around.

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Speaker 2: Do they take into account any of that or not?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean there's there's been some unders and overs.

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Speaker 20: I think when you put it all together, though, things

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Speaker 20: are tracking pretty well as the Reserve Bank expected when

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Speaker 20: they last met back in November. And let's not forget

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Speaker 20: when they met in November they basically said they're going

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Speaker 20: to cats few points today and there's something sort of

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Speaker 20: wildly threw them off off track, and I don't think

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Speaker 20: that has happened. So it looks likely that we'll get

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Speaker 20: that big cut today.

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Speaker 2: And how much consensus have we got round post fifty.

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Speaker 2: Is it twenty five and twenty five and we're done

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Speaker 2: or not?

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Speaker 17: I know.

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Speaker 20: I think from here it gets trickier. I think the

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Speaker 20: reducy bit in the statement today is going to be

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Speaker 20: what the Bank say is about the path for interest

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Speaker 20: rates from here, So it's going to be this mad

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Speaker 20: scramble as we'll go to the back of the document

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Speaker 20: and have a look at the forecast. I think there

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Speaker 20: is an expectation that things will slow down to that

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Speaker 20: more regulation twenty five basic point cut permitting type of

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Speaker 20: run rate. But I think really the interest is in

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Speaker 20: just how low it goes. Ouration is the sort of

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Speaker 20: neutral around three percent or maybe a little bit below that,

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Speaker 20: But there's different opinions there.

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Speaker 2: How much of the psychology is at play at this

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Speaker 2: particular point. And I cite those numbers, and I cite

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Speaker 2: this ongoing commentary that apparently by the end of the

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Speaker 2: year things are going to be growing again, but we

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Speaker 2: need people to think and believe that and act on it,

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Speaker 2: don't we And who can guess whether that's going to happen.

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Speaker 20: I think that's right, and I think if you look

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Speaker 20: at the numbers that are coming through, there has been

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Speaker 20: this big divergence between confidence and in confidence. Business confidence

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Speaker 20: and confidence has been riding high on the expectation their

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Speaker 20: interest rates keep climbing, but we haven't really seen that

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Speaker 20: much evidence so far and the hard numbers that the

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Speaker 20: economy is turning around. Now we are starting just this

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Speaker 20: week and last to see a little bit more that

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Speaker 20: in that regard, which I think is encouraging. But you

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Speaker 20: know that the recovery is by no means assured. And

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Speaker 20: I think the point is that recovery is built on

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Speaker 20: the expectation that rates keep coming down from here. So

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Speaker 20: today's fifty you won't be the last. I think we

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Speaker 20: see the need to keep cutting the official custript from

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Speaker 20: here to get stimulus back into the economy.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff, Mike, appreciate it. Mike Johnes who's with the

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Speaker 2: B and Z chief economists for them. Ten minutes past seven,

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Speaker 2: so he talks to me. In the war underway over

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Speaker 2: nine as you well away between the US and of

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Speaker 2: course with Russia in Saudi Arabia, civil parties missing there,

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Speaker 2: which is part of the ongoing engst in Europe as

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Speaker 2: we saw in the last twenty four hours. Senior expert

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Speaker 2: on Russia at Britain's Chathamhouse, Kia Giles, as well as Kia,

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Speaker 2: morning to you, Good Morninggg. Just in a very broad

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Speaker 2: based question, what we are seeing in the last week

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Speaker 2: or so, this tumult. Where do you place it in

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Speaker 2: terms of history?

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Speaker 21: It is a historical moment, it for sure. It's a

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Speaker 21: huge upsetting of all of the assumptions that were underpinning

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Speaker 21: everything to do with Euroatlantic security and by extension, everything

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Speaker 21: about the United States is placed in the world. For

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Speaker 21: all of those alliances, all of those partnerships globally, where

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Speaker 21: the United States was the underpinning of what kept the

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Speaker 21: world secure, now suddenly it's the world's biggest problem. And that,

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Speaker 21: of course is a massive turning point. It's not just

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Speaker 21: Europe that should be concerned, it's everywhere that sought protection

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Speaker 21: from aggressive neighbors with the United States as its partner,

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Speaker 21: and now finds that the United States is the aggressor.

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Speaker 2: So what we got publicly anyway out of this meeting

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Speaker 2: overnight and read was that Levov wants the like put

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Speaker 2: aside that two thousand and eight promise on NATO. Disavow

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Speaker 2: yourself of that. What else do they need?

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Speaker 21: Well, there's some very fundamental differences between what the two

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Speaker 21: sides went into these talks expecting to get out of it.

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Speaker 21: Now you mentioned a moment ago that these were talks

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Speaker 21: to end the war. Well not as far as Russia

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Speaker 21: is concerned. Russia wanted from this a normalization of relations

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Speaker 21: with the United States, and because they had a plan,

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Speaker 21: that's what they came up with. Meanwhile, the US said

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Speaker 21: it was just trying to gauge how interested Russia was

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Speaker 21: in peace. Well, we know how interested Russia was in peace.

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Speaker 21: If they wanted peace, they would just stop fighting the

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Speaker 21: war and go home. So the two sides had very

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Speaker 21: different expectations, very different results coming out of it. And essentially,

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Speaker 21: as so often, Russia has come out of this getting

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Speaker 21: everything they want and the United States is left scratching

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Speaker 21: their heads.

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Speaker 2: So where does this leave a Putin Trump meeting. Do

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Speaker 2: they need to go a lot further down the road

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Speaker 2: before that happens or not.

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Speaker 21: Well, nobody was expecting. Some people are promising and putting

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Speaker 21: Trump meeting soon, but nobody was realistic is expecting this

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Speaker 21: to happen. And of course that is a carrot that

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Speaker 21: Russia can dangle to get further concessions from the United States.

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Speaker 21: They know that Trump wants this, They know that Trump

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Speaker 21: is keen on rehabilitating Russia, welcoming Putin back in not

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Speaker 21: as an internationally wanted war criminal but actually his best mate,

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Speaker 21: to bring him over to the United States. And of

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Speaker 21: course they will play along with that and they will

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Speaker 21: get as much as they can from the Trump administration

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Speaker 21: in return.

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Speaker 2: Right, But Putin also, I'm assuming wants the water were

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Speaker 2: in for domestic purposes. He get it's a meat grinder

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Speaker 2: out there, and I'm assuming a number of Russians are

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Speaker 2: getting a bit sick of it.

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Speaker 21: That's a perfectly reasonable logical assumption when you look at

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Speaker 21: it from any normal country, and in particular any democracy.

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Speaker 21: But it doesn't seem to be the direction that Russia

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Speaker 21: is going now. Nobody's in any doubt that this is

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Speaker 21: causing huge, irreversible damage to the Russian economy. It's chewed

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Speaker 21: through hundreds of thousands of Russians, blighted, their lives, they're

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Speaker 21: dead or maimed. Russia is showing every sign of pressing

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Speaker 21: on regardless because those aren't important compared to the price

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Speaker 21: that they have their eyes on. Well, if they were

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Speaker 21: to be deterred by any of those, there's things they

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Speaker 21: would have stopped by now.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a ways to go. We'll stay in

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Speaker 2: contact here. Appreciate very much. Kia Jiles, who's senior expert

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Speaker 2: on Russia at Chathamhouse in Britain. Thirteen minutes past seven,

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Speaker 2: I was skiing him limited details. So Brown's back in Raratonga.

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Speaker 2: They're still sort of standing by, apparently for a vote

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Speaker 2: of no confidence in the parliament that's been delayed. Why

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Speaker 2: you would protest about something you don't know what's in

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Speaker 2: I have no idea, but he's going to apparently at

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Speaker 2: some point release at. What we do now is they

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Speaker 2: got four million for nothing. China wrote them check literally

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Speaker 2: one off grant for for a bunch of papers that'd

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Speaker 2: have four million bucks, and they're going to sit down

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Speaker 2: and work out how to spend that. Meantime, Debbie's there protesting,

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Speaker 2: which is questionable at the best of times whether a

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Speaker 2: politician should be interfering in other country's processes. But we'll

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Speaker 2: talk to Mark and Giny about that. Winston. I'm assuming

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Speaker 2: it's still ropable, and I'm assuming that Mark Brown at

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Speaker 2: some point is going to pick up the phone. So

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Speaker 2: we stand by understand By fourteen past seven.

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Speaker 1: The Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: So Brian Roach on his gob smacking report yesterday, Every

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Speaker 2: department they looked at, absolutely hopeless. Ministry of Health, Health Department, Stats, Department, Stats, department.

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Speaker 2: Guy's gone. I don't know why some of the health

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Speaker 2: people aren't gone. Oh, that's right, they are. They quit.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether they quit because they knew this

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Speaker 2: was coming, or they quit because they hate the way

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Speaker 2: the government are running things. But I mean, what a

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Speaker 2: mess it's got. Lestera Levy vibes about that, this job

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Speaker 2: that he's got, this gargantuan ship of hopelessness, and he's

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Speaker 2: trying to work out how to turn it around, if

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Speaker 2: not lighten the load anyway. Seventeen he's still to come

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Speaker 2: seventeen past seven Farm of confidence. Here we goes turned

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Speaker 2: around in a way that makes you ask what happened there?

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Speaker 2: Latest Fed Farmer's survey has seen it go from minus

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Speaker 2: sixty six to positive too. They've been doing the number

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Speaker 2: since two thousand and nine. This is the largest one

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Speaker 2: off improvement they have ever seen. Now the Fed Farmer's President,

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Speaker 2: Wayne Langford has with us Wayne morning.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, morning might be a really positive result.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it good? I mean, is it all the dairy

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Speaker 2: and the milk and everyone's what's happened?

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Speaker 22: Well, there's a number of factors obviously. You know, there's

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Speaker 22: there's one side of our business, the income, and that's

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Speaker 22: definitely gone up. That's a positive result. But there's the

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Speaker 22: other side of the business, our expenses, and that's that's

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Speaker 22: where we've really gone to work saying, hey, how can

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Speaker 22: we get our farmers that confident in what's going on.

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Speaker 22: How can we get inflash under control and how can

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Speaker 22: we make sure that farmings as easy as possible so

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Speaker 22: that we can drive our businesses going forward.

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Speaker 2: And that's working clearly well it is.

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Speaker 22: It's I think the results are showing it that the

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Speaker 22: work that the government's put in last year, you know,

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Speaker 22: making some of the announcements they have around emissions, pricing,

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Speaker 22: around farm plans, getting all the time inflation under control,

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Speaker 22: which was a bee at as starting to see, you know,

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Speaker 22: comes through in terms of farmer confidence brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Are the banks playing ball?

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Speaker 22: Well, we've got we've got to actually inquire hearing this morning,

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Speaker 22: so so we'll see about that one. But then they

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Speaker 22: put the pressure.

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Speaker 3: On, Yeah, yeez.

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Speaker 2: What would you do to the banks if you're in charge.

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Speaker 22: Of them, I'd look after my farmer's first. Farmers are

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Speaker 22: where they, you know, the backbone of this economy usually

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Speaker 22: after first, and now the rest will come from there.

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Speaker 2: Is this sustainable? I mean, is this just a moment

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Speaker 2: in time? The sun has been shining, It's been a

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Speaker 2: pretty good summer over much of the country as well,

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Speaker 2: which kind of harmed it is this? Are we on

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Speaker 2: the right track here permanently, you reckon.

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Speaker 22: I think if we keep going the way we are

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Speaker 22: trying to remove the red tapers we've been saying for

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Speaker 22: quite some time. You know, we're setting our farming businesses

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Speaker 22: up to be profitable to run the systems that they

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Speaker 22: need to run, which is a low cost. We've got

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Speaker 22: to low input systems in New Zealand. That's what we're

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Speaker 22: renowned for. And you've got to get regulation out of

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Speaker 22: the way of that. So so that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 22: What we'll see after that as a massive fly on

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Speaker 22: effect to the rest of our communities. And you've got

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Speaker 22: to remember the royal community is the second biggest outside

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Speaker 22: of Auckland. So if we get the royal communities cranking,

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Speaker 22: we get the country cranking. And that's the way to go.

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Speaker 2: You're preaching to the converted way, and appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: Wayne Langford, the Fed Farmer's President. I wonder when Chris

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Speaker 2: Hipkins listens to that weather he thinks, gee, actually, is

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Speaker 2: that how you do it? Because when he was running

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Speaker 2: the place, the farmers weren't that happy, and then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden he just needed a few tweaks to

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Speaker 2: some regulation you need to get the inflation under control,

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Speaker 2: and these people start to run. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: billions and billions and billions of dollars into New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: And Hi, Mike, why is Debbie on holiday when Parliament sitting? Anyway?

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Speaker 2: What an excellent question. Let me come back to that.

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Speaker 2: really got to read it to believe it, and even

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Speaker 2: in reading it might well be you still can't believe it.

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Speaker 2: A report, one of a number of investigations now underway,

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Speaker 2: has reported back on where a personal census and COVID

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Speaker 2: intel collected at Manarawa Marai was misused for electoral purposes.

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Speaker 2: Now it's important to point out this particular report didn't

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Speaker 2: have it within its scope to find out whether the

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Speaker 2: Mariah did anything shonky. That report is still the comets

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Speaker 2: with the police are the Maria, if you recall, was

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Speaker 2: managed by a Takata tash Kemp, also a Mari party candidate.

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Speaker 2: She went on to win the electric by a handful

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Speaker 2: of votes. What this report does find is proof beyond

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Speaker 2: any shadow of a doubt that even when you stack

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Speaker 2: the public service full of people the way the Labor

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Speaker 2: government did, they are still incompetent. The head of STATS

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Speaker 2: going he won't be reappointed. Each of the departments looked

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Speaker 2: into STATS Health New Zealand Ministry of Health. They've all

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Speaker 2: been found hopelessly wanting a combination of one not really

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Speaker 2: having any oversight of information that may or may not

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Speaker 2: be protected, may or may not be inappropriately used. In

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Speaker 2: two when concerns were raised, still doing nothing about it.

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Speaker 2: High trust models were in place. Ha ha ha ha, high

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Speaker 2: trust models. Remember the gold in the durn Hipken days

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Speaker 2: of the high trust models. It basically confirms the Public

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Speaker 2: Service commissioners finding last week, having had a look at

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Speaker 2: the public service, it isn't fit for purpose. It has

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Speaker 2: too many meetings, there are too many departments, We need

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Speaker 2: a few gotten rid off. And if you designed it

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Speaker 2: today it wouldn't look like this. No safeguards, no regard

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Speaker 2: for privacy and the issues around privacy. The is just

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Speaker 2: a litany of uselessness. And remember the alleged skull duggers

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Speaker 2: part whether the Maury party used some of this intel

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Speaker 2: to help their election campaign that out comes still to

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Speaker 2: the surface. It's bad enough as it is. If they

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Speaker 2: then get pinged, it's a full blown scandal. Think about it.

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Speaker 2: You potentially have a Parliament made up in numbers in

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Speaker 2: a way it should not have been. At least one

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Speaker 2: head has rolled or is rolling. But you can't make

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Speaker 2: this stuff up. It's gliding on. It's worse than most

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Speaker 2: would have thought, and it's not even over. The worst

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Speaker 2: may in fact still be to come fasking. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: business of Debbion holiday thirty years anniversary when Parliament sitting

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Speaker 2: in Parliament doesn't sit this off and I mean I

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Speaker 2: can only conclude honestly the Murray Party aren't that interested

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Speaker 2: in the actual process of taking life suits. This is

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Speaker 2: a woman. This is a woman who didn't have a

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Speaker 2: clue about this.

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Speaker 16: We arrived at the airport and I wasn't aware of

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Speaker 16: what had gone on with the passport and the delegation

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Speaker 16: to China, and so there was this assumption that I

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Speaker 16: had arrived for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why would they be assuming that, Oh, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Because you're an MP in the Parliament in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: you might know what's going on in the world Winston

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Speaker 2: China deals. No, no clue.

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Speaker 23: You don't give you a thirtieth winning anniversary every day,

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Speaker 23: do you?

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Speaker 24: No?

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Speaker 2: But that depends on whether she's celebrating the day itself.

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Speaker 2: That was the question I was going to raise. So

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Speaker 2: say it's literally, say it's today and they're in Rara time.

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Speaker 2: They're celebrating their thirty of the anniversary on the day while

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Speaker 2: parliament's sitting. Or do you just do your thirtieth anniversary

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Speaker 2: trip at a time that's more convenient. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Over the eight nine, ten weeks of some of that,

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Speaker 2: the Parliament wasn't sitting.

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Speaker 23: Oh that's an idea.

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Speaker 2: Well, like the Federated Farmer's optimism might be a little

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Speaker 2: premature given what National and the Coalition have committed to

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Speaker 2: around global emissions. Paul, that's unfair. They've pulled that back

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Speaker 2: and what all that farmers have ever asked for is

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Speaker 2: a reasonable deal. They don't want to deny climate change,

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Speaker 2: they don't want to not play their part, they don't

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Speaker 2: want to do any of that. They just want a

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Speaker 2: fair suck of the salav Labor was telling them about sloping,

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Speaker 2: and you know how deep the mud is around the

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Speaker 2: hoofs of your cows and all the other crap, and

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Speaker 2: all we've got now is a little bit of realism.

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Speaker 2: And that's all farmers we're ever asking for. How would

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Speaker 2: you like Brian Roche's job at the moment i age

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Speaker 2: in getting up every morning and dealing with that lot. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: b B took it on when they rang, so we'll

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Speaker 2: get his read on what's going on with the public

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Speaker 2: service after the news, which is next here at news talksb.

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Speaker 1: Your source of breaking news, challenging opinion and honored facts,

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vita, Retirement Communities, Life

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Speaker 1: Your Way News, Tom said.

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Speaker 2: B Politics Wednesday after eight, Mark and Ginney. Of course,

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Speaker 2: in twenty three minutes away from Agors where you mentioned

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Speaker 2: before the news you had to really read yesterday's report

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Speaker 2: to believe it. It is the Public Service Commission's report

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Speaker 2: into the use of census in COVID data at Monea Maria.

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Speaker 2: It's important to point out whether that information was misused

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Speaker 2: at the Mariah's being investigated separately by various people, including

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Speaker 2: the police. The report focused on. This report focused on

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Speaker 2: government departments. As it turns out, well, they were all

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Speaker 2: seemingly pretty hopeless. The Public Service Commissioner is Sir Brian,

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Speaker 2: of course, and he is with it's a very good

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Speaker 2: morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: So you've been around a while. How do you explain

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Speaker 2: all this?

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Speaker 8: I think it's very hard to explain, as I said yesterday,

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Speaker 8: and you'll have read the report yourself. It's very sobering reading.

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Speaker 8: This is a massive wake up call for slack practices,

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Speaker 8: in lack of professionalism in the safeguardian of information. And

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Speaker 8: I think the appropriate actions have been taken and we're

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Speaker 8: looking to modify the way we do this.

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Speaker 2: What's worse the fact that they had the initial problem,

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Speaker 2: or the second problem, which is when they were alluded

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Speaker 2: to the initial problem, they did nothing about it.

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Speaker 8: That continues to be a mystery to me as to

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Speaker 8: why somebody wouldn't have done it, And that's why we've

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Speaker 8: ended up where we are. I mean, I think we

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Speaker 8: need government agencies to be listening modifying their actions at

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Speaker 8: all times, and in this case, they weren't listening to

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Speaker 8: the voice of many who were saying there's a mischief here.

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Speaker 2: Is that an arrogance?

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Speaker 8: I don't think it is all in arrogance. I think

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Speaker 8: they were under pressure. I mean, the SATs Department has

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Speaker 8: done really, really good work, so this was a blip,

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Speaker 8: but it's a significant blip. I don't think they're arrogant

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Speaker 8: at all, but you know, when you're under pressure, you

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Speaker 8: sometimes lose your ability to listen and think rationally. And

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Speaker 8: I give them the benefit of the doubt on that.

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Speaker 2: Is there something unique within the public service that you

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Speaker 2: are discovering having also been in the private sector? That

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Speaker 2: and I haven't I've done the same thing. I can't

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Speaker 2: explain it. It's just different. Is it different? And is

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Speaker 2: that part of the problem?

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Speaker 5: There's different?

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Speaker 8: I challenge whether it has to be different to the

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Speaker 8: private sector. Certainly they don't work for profit, and you

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Speaker 8: know I've said quite publicly they are large organizations. I

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Speaker 8: think there is a lot more to be learned from

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Speaker 8: the public from the private sector that could be adopted

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Speaker 8: in the public sector. And that's what I'm currently trying

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Speaker 8: to explore what that would mean.

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Speaker 2: Does this deptail into what you said the other day

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Speaker 2: that the public service isn't fit for purpose and that

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Speaker 2: is that no one owns in Is that part of

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Speaker 2: the problem, though it owns anything because they don't know anything,

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Speaker 2: they don't make decisions.

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Speaker 8: It's a broader issue I think where I mean, the

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Speaker 8: model that we've used is very good.

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Speaker 9: The people who.

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Speaker 8: Work and are amazing, and I think New Zealanders should

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Speaker 8: be really proud of the public servants and the public service,

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Speaker 8: but it's no longer fit for purpose. We live in

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Speaker 8: a rarely a world that's changing dramatically. We've got the

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Speaker 8: adoption of technology and all of those things, and we

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Speaker 8: need to sort of face into that and get ahead

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Speaker 8: of the curve. And I think as a small country

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Speaker 8: we should have that ambition.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon we can do that? Are you sort

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Speaker 2: of a less to levy? In other words, you've got

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Speaker 2: this gargantuan job and you've found these gargantuane problems and

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Speaker 2: turning this thing around as a nightmare.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, less it would probably be embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 8: I am really confident of our ability to do this.

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Speaker 8: We have a lot of great things happening. If you

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Speaker 8: look at you know what happened with customs the other day,

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Speaker 8: being able to detect that hundred million dollars meant we've

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Speaker 8: got smart people in smart technology. But we need to

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Speaker 8: make that what the whole system does just not the

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Speaker 8: old pocket. But I remain really confident that we can

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Speaker 8: deliver for the New Zealand taxpayer.

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Speaker 2: Are government departments or on your recommendation, going to get

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Speaker 2: blown up? Are there simply too many departments?

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Speaker 8: I've raised the question that I think, you know, when

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Speaker 8: you're using public money, you have to be able to

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Speaker 8: justify your adding value. And I think some of our

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Speaker 8: agencies are below scale, which means we have duplication of

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Speaker 8: high fixed costs. I just think it's a question that

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Speaker 8: we need to address and have a grown.

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Speaker 12: Up conversation about.

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Speaker 8: I don't have a plan to restructure at all.

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Speaker 2: What I don't understand explain it to people who are

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Speaker 2: listening to this, because on one hand, and I'm sure you're right,

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Speaker 2: there are people in the public service who are really good,

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Speaker 2: really skilled, and we should value them more than we do.

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Speaker 2: And yet you looked at several departments and each and

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Speaker 2: every one of them was hopeless. So how do you

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Speaker 2: balance those two up?

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Speaker 8: I don't think they were completely hope so a challenge.

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Speaker 8: There are less than swoln to be learned. As I said,

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Speaker 8: this is a massive wake up call.

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Speaker 24: At one level.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot to be learned from it, and for

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Speaker 8: that we should be thankful. But we can never have

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Speaker 8: this situation occur again, where there is a laxed attitude

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Speaker 8: to the privacy and sanctity of citizens.

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Speaker 2: Information dead right. Nice to talk to you, appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: and go well with the job, Sir Brian Runch, who's

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Speaker 2: the Public Service Commissioner? Eighteen minutes away from seven, tasking

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Speaker 2: eighteen minutes away from eight. If the Ukraine war stops,

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Speaker 2: does Trump win the Nobel Prize? Not a openhell, not

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Speaker 2: a not a He's seen a committee sitting down going

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Speaker 2: right now, Trump, No, Mike, I find it unbelievable that

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Speaker 2: Adrian or openly admits he engineered a recession. Not only

1090
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: has he achieved this, he has done so much long

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Speaker 2: lasting damage, including losing so many talented young people to

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Speaker 2: Australia where rights have just been cut with no recession.

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Speaker 2: Adrianall is out of control. Staff numbers are up forty percent,

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Speaker 2: spending up while driving the economy into a massive hole.

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Speaker 2: He will go down as our worst Reserve bank governor. John,

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Speaker 2: You'll find absolutely no argument with me. Eighteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Good The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: powered by the News talks.

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Speaker 2: At be here's a good question. If everyone agrees that

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Speaker 2: Adrian all is the worst Reserve Bank governor ever, will

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00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: first of all, they don't, many people do, but not everyone.

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00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: Then why was he reappointed for another term? While the

1103
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: answer is easy because we had the worst finance minister ever.

1104
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: So bad people make bad decisions is what that boils

1105
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: down to Mike, the issues within the government sector have

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00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: been caused by dei appointments instead of merit based appointments.

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Speaker 2: That's not true either. There will be some of those examples,

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00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,479
Speaker 2: but that's an easy hit to make when you're kicking

1109
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 2: people when they're down and a culture of quashing, dissenting

1110
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: voices and opinions. There's a little bit of truth from

1111
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: that doubling down. There is no accountability for poor management decisions,

1112
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: and this latest issue with stats is a prime example.

1113
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: Despite Brian Roach being unhappy, there are no real consequences.

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Speaker 2: Are you real? You serious? The CEO is not really

1115
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: being held accountable. How do you possibly say that the

1116
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: guy's been sacked, he's going he's lost his job. What

1117
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 2: do you want to flogging? I was pleasantly surprised that

1118
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: he allegedly came to it on his own, on his own,

1119
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 2: but whether it's true or not, who cares. He's going

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Speaker 2: so somebody is held accountable meantime related matters. Timuru's mayor,

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Speaker 2: who's Nigel. Of course Nigel Bowens District cannot afford to

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00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: consult EWI on basic infrastructure projects. And this is yet

1123
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Speaker 2: more of this madness that's got hopelessly out of control.

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Speaker 2: So if you're not following Timaru, they got one and

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Speaker 2: a half million dollar redevelopment of the Downtownish area and

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00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: as part of the Infrastructure Committee meeting yesterday, the idea

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00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 2: of EWI consultation on the redevelopment of a toilet block

1128
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: was a box ticking exercise he decided to speak publicly

1129
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: on and he's one hundred percent right. The world's gone

1130
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: a little bit mad on the whole. Here here for

1131
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: them to give us advice on basic water infrastructure. Now,

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00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: why are they consulting Murray? Because you've got to consult Murray.

1133
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: The rule says you've got to consult Murray. You know

1134
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Speaker 2: on significant areas of natural beauty, conservation, land, things of

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00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: historical significance. You know, you might go down the track

1136
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: and say fair enough, toilet block, not so much for

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00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: them to give us basic advice on water infrastructure where

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00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: a toilet is versus where a water fountain goes. I

1139
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: think we can figure that out. So he speaks, of course,

1140
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: the sense, but those aren't the rules. And so there

1141
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: are councils all over the country who spend money, time

1142
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: and energy consulting Mari on frippery. And that's yet again

1143
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 2: an insight into what's wrong with this country. Meantime, listen

1144
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: to this. This is Debbie iiman Rara, Tonga celebrating my

1145
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: thirtieth anniversary. Nada a packer in the house on Fair

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Speaker 2: eleven having claimed Now what did she claim? Lynn just

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00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: remind us of what she claimed.

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Speaker 16: Well, we arrived at the airport and I wasn't aware

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Speaker 16: of what had gone on with the passport and the

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Speaker 16: delegation to China, and so there was this assumption that

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Speaker 16: I had arrived.

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Speaker 2: For that right, So she didn't have a clue. So

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00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: it's bad enough she didn't have a clue what was

1154
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: going on, but she's in the House eleven. Question to

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Speaker 2: the Prime minister, why does the Prime Minister of the

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00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: Cook Islands have to consult the New Zealand government before

1157
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 2: a visit to China. But the New Zealand government doesn't

1158
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: have to consult Murray when they rewrite tidity. Oh wait,

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Speaker 2: Tony Well, hold on, Debbi, wait a minute. So one

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Speaker 2: of two things, a couple of going on here. One

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Speaker 2: she's not ignorant, she's a liar, or she is ignorant,

1162
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Speaker 2: and she's asking a question about the thing she knows

1163
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Speaker 2: nothing about several weeks later when she's on holiday because

1164
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: she doesn't know what she's asking, or when she's asking

1165
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: it doesn't have a clue what she's asking, so they can't.

1166
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: They don't dovetille and they don't balance up. We'll delve

1167
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Speaker 2: into this, of course on Politics Wednesday. In a couple

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Speaker 2: of moments, time eleven away from.

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Speaker 1: Eight the Mike Hosking breakfast with Alvida, Retirement Communities News,

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Speaker 1: togs Head Been it is.

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Speaker 2: Eight minutes away from it, so it's always got a

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Speaker 2: bit of fizz about it. When the hellbergs reflect an

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Speaker 2: Olympic year, of course, in the gold medal winners, one

1174
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Speaker 2: big sportsman of the year are clearing two point three

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Speaker 2: four meters. How can we forget him? The jump off

1176
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Speaker 2: Hamish Kerr one Sportsman of the Year and he's with

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Speaker 2: this morning to you morning Mike, how are you very well?

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Speaker 2: And do thank you? Great tucks, very good looking tacks.

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Speaker 2: Where'd you get it from?

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Speaker 9: It was amazing to measure from Barker's, So get along

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Speaker 9: there if you need anything tux related.

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Speaker 2: Nice little plug now, good on you. I think the tall,

1183
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: the stature and the hype makes it look better. But

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Speaker 2: it was a very good looking thing. How was the night?

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Speaker 5: Look?

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Speaker 9: It was amazing. It was actually my first time ever

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Speaker 9: coming to the Helberg's obviously based in crash each now,

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00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 9: so it's a little bit of a trick for me.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, I think it was just so cool to

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Speaker 9: see not only our Olympians, but you know, the cricketers

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Speaker 9: and some of the footballers and just just such an

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Speaker 9: amazing range of sports, all rip centered.

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Speaker 3: So it was such a cool thing to be a

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Speaker 3: part of good stuff.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon you've done for your sport?

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Speaker 11: Have you?

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Speaker 2: Have you got a vibe since you won?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I look, I mean I think that athletics has kind

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Speaker 9: of been one of those sports there is in the

1201
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Speaker 9: New Zealand psyche, you know obviously with Walker and snow

1202
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 9: and you know, all the amazing things that happened back

1203
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Speaker 9: in the day. A lot of people are still connected

1204
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Speaker 9: to it, but I think that it's really starting to

1205
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Speaker 9: bring people back into it and also a lot of

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Speaker 9: young people into it. I mean, I I've done a

1207
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Speaker 9: couple of comps since, just domestically, and you know, just

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Speaker 9: the reaction from the people coming down wanting to meet

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Speaker 9: not only me but all our other Olympians has been

1210
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 9: has been so so cool to see. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 9: been really awesome.

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Speaker 2: Because what's your observation of sport in our lives, whether

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Speaker 2: it's you know, is it still the common thread that

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Speaker 2: there's war units of country and sport united a country?

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Speaker 2: Do you rickon sports still units a country?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I definitely does. I mean, you know, just the

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00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 9: attitude that New Zealand took towards the Olympics, we really

1219
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 9: felted overseas. You know, it really felt like Eron sat

1220
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Speaker 9: down and you know, I felt proud to be a

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Speaker 9: keeper out there, you know, watching all my fellow competitors

1222
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Speaker 9: or compatriots compete. It was it was so special. But yeah,

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Speaker 9: I know, like I think as well, like for me,

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Speaker 9: sport is just about being healthy and I think that's

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Speaker 9: something that you know, we need more and more these days.

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Speaker 9: And so if it's just a way to promote people

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Speaker 9: to get outside and actually just use their bodies a

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Speaker 9: bit more, then I'm pretty heavy.

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Speaker 2: It on you. I don't want to get controversial here,

1230
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Speaker 2: but James, see the problem, the problem with the Hellbergs

1231
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Speaker 2: is if you win a gold medal, or you win

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Speaker 2: a world championship, you win. Is that the way it

1233
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Speaker 2: should be or is there no other way it can

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Speaker 2: because I look at James McDonald. I mean, James McDonald

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Speaker 2: is bloody good at what he does. And as for

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Speaker 2: Chris Wood, but he hasn't won anything, has he? And

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Speaker 2: that's the problem.

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Speaker 9: I mean, look, I think, yeah, I agree with him,

1239
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 9: like it's it's it's one of those things that you know,

1240
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Speaker 9: I was sitting out there in ours. I would have

1241
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 9: much rather that actually just had an athletic competition. You know,

1242
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 9: it was something that I have much more control over

1243
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 9: to see who would win. So look, I think, you know,

1244
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Speaker 9: the only thing I can speak to is the strength

1245
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 9: of the nominees. And I think that we're in a

1246
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 9: really special place in New Zione to be able to

1247
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 9: have those hard discussions you know, I think there's a

1248
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Speaker 9: lot of countries in the world where there would be

1249
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 9: one clear Cup winner, but for for a small country

1250
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Speaker 9: like ourselves that just continually punches it by our weight,

1251
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 9: not just in Olympic sports, being Olympic here, but but

1252
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 9: also and in such a range of sports. It's it's

1253
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 9: just so inspiring. And you know, even I was debating it,

1254
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 9: you know, it's just natural to have those moments. But

1255
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 9: I think, yeah, it's one of those things that obviously

1256
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Speaker 9: the judges a certain way. And we're here now.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, good one. You make congratulation. It's nice to catch up.

1258
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Speaker 2: You've got a good year lined up.

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Speaker 9: You're busy, Yeah, yeah, sort of back on the horse now.

1260
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 9: So I've got a couple of comps domestically, come down

1261
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 9: to crush it this weekend if everyone's around, and what's

1262
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 9: to watch but athletics and then yeah, and we've got

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Speaker 9: nationals coming up as well, so that's sort of my

1264
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 9: domestic stuff and then we'll get overseason and start cranking

1265
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 9: later in the year.

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Speaker 2: Go well, appreciate your time as always, Hamish Kurk, good guy,

1267
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: awesome guy. Elease Andrews for me personally. If nothing else

1268
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: came out of the Olympics. I got to meet Hamish

1269
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Speaker 2: for the first time and I got to meet to

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Speaker 2: Lease Andrews for the first time, and both just forget

1271
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: the win, forget the medals, all that sort of stuff.

1272
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: Just brilliant people, just really good people. And if you

1273
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: can look good in the tucks as well, and then

1274
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: come on, thanks, not bad game. So Aylor made at

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00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: the old barkers. But it is the debate, isn't it.

1276
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: And you'll never get around it. I don't know how

1277
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: you get around it, Finn Butcher. See, I like Co

1278
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: over Carrington because co won gold in a truly global sport.

1279
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: Golfer's global, basketball's global tennis is global football's global, whereas

1280
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: Carrington won in a in a niche sport, which is

1281
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: not to dismiss what she does, of course, obviously, but

1282
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: if you're going to go head to head and you're

1283
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: looking for to differentiate global beat's niche, doesn't it or

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00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: or can.

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Speaker 23: We just agree that awards are stupid and we shouldn't

1286
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Speaker 23: have the.

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00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, we love awards. There's a big time winner.

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00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: You get a love awards.

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Speaker 24: News is next, the news and the newsmakers the mic

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Speaker 24: asking Breakfast with the range Rover, the la designed to

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Speaker 24: intrigue and use togs hed b I have.

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Speaker 3: Love ever.

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Speaker 7: This song, Oh good jake me for water.

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Speaker 6: Understand.

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Speaker 2: The only reason I say I know this song is

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Speaker 2: because this is supposed to be an album. I've overlooked

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Speaker 2: female country artists and songs you might not have heard

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Speaker 2: of it. I'm sure I've heard this one. The Bottle

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Speaker 2: of Me, Molly Fay, Society, your Katie Cricket, I'm a woman,

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Speaker 2: Nancy Lee Jordan, I'm getting restless, Mona Lunsford. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's not household names, are they really? But this is

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Speaker 2: a group called Barnyard Lee Hive. It's not the first

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Speaker 2: time they've done this. Did it once and then they thought, hey, ill,

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Speaker 2: let's do it again. So we've got sixteen tracks this time.

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Speaker 2: But they all sound basically like this. They will sound

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Speaker 2: roughly like this.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's a compilation of obscure country songs that you've

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Speaker 23: probably never heard of. I quite like unless you're you

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Speaker 23: in case, yeah, are obscure enough that you might have

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Speaker 23: heard of it.

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Speaker 2: I revel in it. Sixteen tracks and forty two glorious minutes.

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Speaker 2: If you're interested. Ginny Anderson Mark Mitchell Willis for this

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Speaker 2: Politics Wednesday morning to both of you, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, morning, Jenny, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Now, a lot of really interesting things going on here.

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Speaker 2: First of all, quick question for you, Jinny. Should Debbie

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Speaker 2: Narewa Paka be on holiday when parliament's on?

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Speaker 25: Well, I didn't know that. I just saw that actually

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Speaker 25: something this morning. So and she's And the problem you've got,

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Speaker 25: I'm guessing is it's for a personal reason.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it thirtieth wedding anniversaries?

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Speaker 18: Wedding anniversary?

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Speaker 25: Well, I don't think you have to give exact we

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Speaker 25: can ask for leave, so I don't think you and

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Speaker 25: your party gives you leave. So I don't think you

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Speaker 25: can specify what you can and can't have leave for.

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Speaker 25: As with a job, you're allowed to take leave at

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Speaker 25: a certain times.

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Speaker 2: We've given how little parliament sits. Don't you have some

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Speaker 2: sort of obligation to kind of be present and look

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Speaker 2: like you might be interested in doing your job.

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Speaker 25: That immediately falls on your party and your whip to

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Speaker 25: determine when you need to be there, and they make

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Speaker 25: those calls, and of course you know you get picked

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Speaker 25: out by Mike Hoskings on zib if you make make

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Speaker 25: decisions that don't reflect well upon yourself as bad as decision.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what do you think Mark?

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Speaker 11: I think you should be there on a sitting week.

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Speaker 11: But of course it's like any job. If you are

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Speaker 11: going to have family events, you are going to have

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Speaker 11: things that you want to be at, and you'll apply

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Speaker 11: for leave just like any other job.

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Speaker 2: But fundamentally, yes, I think that.

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Speaker 11: I think that people vote us and to represent them

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Speaker 11: and expect us to be there in doing that.

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Speaker 2: And what about the business of Mark protest? If you

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Speaker 2: go to another country as a politician, should you be

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Speaker 2: involved in a protest in that other country?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 11: Well, I personally wouldn't do that if I was if

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Speaker 11: I was traveling on personal business, I would not go

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Speaker 11: and join a protest or interfere with You know that

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Speaker 11: the internal matters. But you know, DEBI has obviously chosen

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Speaker 11: to inject yourself into the situation that's up there.

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Speaker 2: What about you, Jinny?

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Speaker 18: It will kind of make your holiday, but stink when

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Speaker 18: you make lights a go.

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Speaker 2: Thirty of anniversary and you got the candles and we're

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Speaker 2: set to go and hang on, I'll just go to

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Speaker 2: the protest, hang on Baby.

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Speaker 25: It's just not something that I would do. But look,

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Speaker 25: different different things do it for different people. So I'm

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Speaker 25: not going to If she wants to go and do

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Speaker 25: that and she's not breaking the law, then.

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Speaker 2: Well then the next question is and this is this

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Speaker 2: is an unanswerable question. But I'm aghast. So she said

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Speaker 2: on the news last night, and she clearly had no

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Speaker 2: understanding of Brown China the deal, and so everyone assumed

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Speaker 2: in authority over there that she was there for the protest,

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Speaker 2: but she was claiming she had hadn't heard and it

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Speaker 2: didn't know anything about it, which then Mark brings to

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Speaker 2: the question if you're an MP, how ignorant are you

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Speaker 2: allowed to be before you really shouldn't be an MP?

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Speaker 11: Well, I mean she should be engaged and basically issues

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Speaker 11: around there, I mean it's been discussed a lot around

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Speaker 11: I guess that maybe that's indicative not having been at

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Speaker 11: Parliament in Wellington, because these things obviously have been hotly discussed.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, I mean it just seems very unusual to

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Speaker 11: me that she'd inject herself into a process that she

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Speaker 11: didn't actually understand. It was very clear by her comments

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Speaker 11: that shouldn't actually understand what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Are they a ginny without naming names? Obviously? Are there

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Speaker 2: people that ignorant? Like if you if I rounded up

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Speaker 2: a bunch of random MP's and just quizzed them generally

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Speaker 2: about life and times, they wouldn't have a clue what's

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Speaker 2: going on?

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Speaker 25: Well, I think it's probably yes, But you could do

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Speaker 25: that with most human beings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not in pas.

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Speaker 18: That's well.

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Speaker 25: I think generally most in p's have a higher understanding

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Speaker 25: because you're in the beehive and you're in the and

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Speaker 25: you're in that.

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Speaker 18: Sort of bubble in.

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Speaker 25: But I think ministers, for example, that interesting because they

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Speaker 25: know really detailed information about their own area. But sometimes

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Speaker 25: if you quiz them for something that's just slightly outside

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Speaker 25: of the area, they have no idea. So I think

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Speaker 25: it depends on the person, and it depends on their

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Speaker 25: appetit for learning and taking in new information.

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Speaker 2: But this is what disappoints me as a voter and

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Speaker 2: a punter is that I would have assumed your appetite

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Speaker 2: for information and knowledge and being inquisitive was a base

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Speaker 2: requirement for being a public official.

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Speaker 25: You would hope so, Mike, you would hope so. But

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Speaker 25: these are few in you who probably don't make that

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Speaker 25: threshold name of you.

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Speaker 11: Actually, I just I just I agree with you completely, bloke.

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Speaker 11: I think that it's incumbent upon people that are representing

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Speaker 11: their communities that they actually have at least a basic

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Speaker 11: understanding of what's going on inside our own country, what's

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Speaker 11: going on internationally, and how that might impact them.

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Speaker 3: So listen, I just think that, yes, you should.

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Speaker 25: Be I'd add to that that I should think you've

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Speaker 25: got a roll and talking to people. So I was

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Speaker 25: at the Tony Fear all day over the weekend, and

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Speaker 25: you go on the round of people, right, but when

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Speaker 25: people come and talk to you about an issue, you know,

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Speaker 25: if they've got some information in this day, and the

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Speaker 25: people get information that's just wrong, like they've read something

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Speaker 25: from somewhere that's factually incorrect, and I take it upon

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Speaker 25: myself to say, hey, you might want to check you

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Speaker 25: out this source because the stuff you've got.

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Speaker 18: Is from tektok or from somewhere that you.

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Speaker 2: Might go for you they end up hitting you.

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Speaker 25: Look some of them are that that happy. But we

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Speaker 25: probably weren't want to agree from the get go.

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Speaker 11: So surely surely you did the sect right at least.

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Speaker 18: Clearly you've never been to the Poni.

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Speaker 2: How much is what are they selling? How much is

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Speaker 2: candy floss?

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Speaker 18: Well, Tony Fear is celebrating. I think it's like it's

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Speaker 18: a biginn of versary. You come next year, it's going

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Speaker 18: to be massive.

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Speaker 25: But Tony Rotary tuner on the whole of Jackson Street

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Speaker 25: gets shut down and it's an amazing thing.

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Speaker 4: I love.

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Speaker 2: I love Jackson Street. It's where o'riley's. You know o'riley's garage. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you ever go in there and look at the cars.

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Speaker 18: I've walked past that, but going look at the cars?

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Speaker 2: I'll ever try next time.

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Speaker 17: You got a.

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Speaker 2: Brief brief breaking and we'll talk about Bryan Roachan in

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Speaker 2: a moment fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Past the Make Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: Seventeen past eight Mark Mitchell, Jinny Anderson with us Mark

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Speaker 2: the roach Report. Two part question, how do you explain

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Speaker 2: that level of incompetence? And two is that in some

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Speaker 2: way part of the problem you as a government of

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Speaker 2: facing in making stuff happen a bit faster than you

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Speaker 2: would a bit slower than you would like.

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Speaker 11: Well, it's so excusable and ENLiGHT So Brian has said

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Speaker 11: it's you know, it's really worrying and we can't have

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Speaker 11: it happen again in our country. And I think that

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Speaker 11: I'm just very thankful that he's in that position because

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Speaker 11: he's making sure that our public services held to account.

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Speaker 3: I do agree with them.

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Speaker 11: I work with our public servants every day, and there

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Speaker 11: are some outstanding people and they're doing some incredible work

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Speaker 11: behind the scenes, but we're all accountable, and there has

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Speaker 11: to be accountability.

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 11: The problem that we've had is that more and more

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Speaker 11: money was thrown at things and there was actually you're

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Speaker 11: getting worse outcomes in the tech that's not tolerable for

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Speaker 11: us as a country and certainly not for experts.

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Speaker 3: Don't expect that.

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Speaker 2: Do the labor government, Jenny have to carry some cap

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Speaker 2: I mean there's no shortage of people. I mean you

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Speaker 2: stacked that public service like it had never been stacked,

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Speaker 2: and look at them, they're hopeless.

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Speaker 25: Well, it had been cleared out, as it does always international,

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Speaker 25: so a lot of that was rebuilding. But I guess

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Speaker 25: my point would be with the Brian Roach stuff is

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Speaker 25: that if he's got a plan in some structure I

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Speaker 25: think that's a real improvement because what we've seen under

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Speaker 25: this government is just cuts for the sake of cute.

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Speaker 2: But this wasn't This wasn't then, this was back by

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Speaker 2: the election. This is manor Reymriah leading into the election.

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Speaker 2: It's a reflection of the Labor government twenty twenty through

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 25: Oh sorry, I thought you're talking about what ministry is good.

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Speaker 25: You go like Brian Roaches, Well, you know, we.

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Speaker 2: Can come to that if you like. But his report

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Speaker 2: looked at the just the hopelessness of what you were

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Speaker 2: running at the time, and how no one owns a decision,

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Speaker 2: wants to own a decision even when people are going,

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Speaker 2: excuse me, there's problems, no one wants to hear it.

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Speaker 2: How do you explain that.

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Speaker 25: Well, that's a real concern in terms of Monee Murray

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Speaker 25: and what went on there. And I think there's some

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Speaker 25: big questions also for the Electoral Commission as to how

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Speaker 25: that MURAI was able to function in that space as

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Speaker 25: being a place to vote. So yeah, I think there's

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Speaker 25: some big questions, not just for statistics and how the

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Speaker 25: information was used, but also why was it a voting place?

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Speaker 2: But you guys were in charge of it.

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Speaker 25: Well, there's been a full inquiry that the Electoral Commission

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Speaker 25: make those decisions, not the government. They go in and

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Speaker 25: say this is a place where people can vote, and

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Speaker 25: we are comfortable with the fact that it's a safe

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Speaker 25: place to vote. And we asked those questions that Select

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Speaker 25: Committee when we had the Electoral Commission before us, and

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Speaker 25: they were pretty clear that they felt they hadn't done

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Speaker 25: as good as what they could have done. And I

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 25: think there needs to be more questions asked about when

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01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 25: determining a place to vote.

1510
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: I reckon there's a scandal brewing here.

1511
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 15: This is out.

1512
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 2: I mean, this is you're in charge of it, Mark,

1513
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: But it's operational. What happens when the copper who's looking

1514
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 2: into the Maria and where that information was used, If

1515
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: it was used nefariously, how does that unfold? The charges

1516
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: simply get laid and it's another criminal case if charges

1517
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: are to be laid.

1518
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 11: Yeah, if they identify that the threshold has been reached,

1519
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 11: I mean that as a decision for police. The police

1520
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 11: are one of the agencies actively involved in this investigation

1521
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 11: and inquiry, and they've stated publicly that they'll be looking

1522
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,440
Speaker 11: to see whether or not any of those criminal thresholds

1523
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 11: are met.

1524
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 3: I just I agree with you, Mike.

1525
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 11: I think that you know, we have one of the best, strongest,

1526
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 11: most transparent democracies in the world, and this comes to

1527
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 11: a question of the integrity of that system.

1528
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: An agree.

1529
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 3: When you see this sort of stuff happening, and it's

1530
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 3: very serious.

1531
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 2: That's going to be if they lay charges and those

1532
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: charges are held up in court, that's something dodgy happened

1533
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 2: to the Mariah. You've got a parliament that's made up

1534
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: inappropriately of a person who a person who shouldn't be

1535
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: there potentially, haven't you.

1536
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 25: Well, it's more than that. It's actually the integrity of

1537
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 25: your voting system. Because yes, it might be that one instance,

1538
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 25: but it actually undermined people's confidence in our democracy. And

1539
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 25: that's why it's incredibly important that people know they can

1540
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 25: go to a place and vote and it's all above board,

1541
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 25: and that's critical for New Zealand to engage people in voting.

1542
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: What if it unfolds that way, what's the bigger crime,

1543
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: the crime that the public service made appalling decisions or

1544
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 2: that somebody, having been the recipient of those appalling decisions,

1545
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 2: then took advantage of that, well, I.

1546
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: Think one of the both both are.

1547
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 11: But one of the questions for me is why was

1548
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 11: the public service making those decisions? Why do they think

1549
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 11: they have the license to do that. Anyone looking at

1550
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 11: it and applying some common sense fragmantism would see that

1551
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 11: they were atrocious decisions that shouldn't have happened. The second

1552
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 11: part is, yes, who's taken advantage them? And who's been

1553
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 11: the beneficiary of it? And so those are the two

1554
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 11: big questions that need answer them.

1555
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,040
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Speaker 2: Helfrose over this morning, I found myself agreeing with Ginny

1580
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: Anderson for the first time. But when she said the

1581
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 2: Mariah voting Shenanigan's undermined out democracy and our trust in

1582
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: the voting system, she know that she did. There's tremendous

1583
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: concern about what's going on or what went on there,

1584
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 2: and obviously the police are doing their business at the moment,

1585
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 2: and they will come to their conclusion in the fullness

1586
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: of time. It's been elevated to a senior officer in

1587
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 2: the early part of this year from memory, but more importantly,

1588
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 2: you go back to the beginning of this how and

1589
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: this goes to the Brian Roch report in general. How

1590
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 2: it is that you're sitting there and this is the

1591
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: inexplicable nature of the public service. How is it you're

1592
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 2: sitting there thinking about, now, where are we going to

1593
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: have these ballot centers? Where are we going to be

1594
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: able to vote? I know, we'll go to the local

1595
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 2: Maria in and of itself, nothing wrong with that at all,

1596
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: A good local community center that people know and understand

1597
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: they can go along on a Saturday, like a library,

1598
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: like a school. Oh oh, I see. So the chief

1599
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: executive is also running as for one of the parties,

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 2: is she? And it's at that point you and I go, well,

1601
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. That ends there. But I'll know, for whatever reason,

1602
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 2: once again aplicable they go, no, that should be fine.

1603
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 2: So the CEO of the Mariah gets to be a

1604
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: candidate in a party in the election. And whatever app

1605
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 2: happened or didn't happen with the photocopying of the bits

1606
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 2: of paper, and whether or not they ever got uploaded,

1607
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 2: downloaded or put out to some sort of voting efficiency system.

1608
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 2: We shall see in time. But that decision all by itself.

1609
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 2: As you and I sit here rethinking and litigating that again,

1610
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: sure you know what idiot thought that was okay, and

1611
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: yet that's exactly what happened across the Tasman. Stephen Price

1612
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: is standing by after the news, which is next. You're

1613
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: on the my Cosking Breakfast.

1614
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: The only report you need to start your day, the

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Speaker 1: MI Casking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate finding the buyers.

1616
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 3: Others can't use togsdadvs.

1617
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: Like, what's the potential for a by election? It's a

1618
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: very interesting question. You'd need a lot of water to

1619
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: go under the bridge, You'd need the police to lay

1620
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: some charges, the charges to go to court. Whoever got

1621
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 2: charge would need to be found guilty, and they would

1622
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: need to have dubtailed it in to the actual election itself. So,

1623
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 2: in other words, just because people might get charged for

1624
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 2: the furious activity around the Mariah doesn't necessarily automatically. It

1625
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: should or probably would, but it doesn't automatically. I mean,

1626
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: it goes to the election on the day, and you know,

1627
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: just because these dastardly things happened. Does that mean that

1628
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: votes fell a certain way and they wouldn't have another time?

1629
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: There are unanswerable questions, but these are I mean that

1630
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 2: it's a fair question, and it's a big question, and

1631
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a question of great gravity, and in

1632
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: a way you hope it doesn't come to that, but

1633
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: who would know. Twenty two minutes away from.

1634
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 17: Nine international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

1635
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 17: mind for New Zealand.

1636
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: Business costasman, we go to through price. Very good morning

1637
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: to you, good to be with you.

1638
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 4: No.

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01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 2: So she came to the party yesterday with the twenty

1640
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: five points. But geez, there was plenty of cold water

1641
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: in the commentary afterwards, wasn't there?

1642
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 15: Sure was.

1643
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever seen a in straightcup gather

1644
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 5: so much interest. I mean, the reason for that, obviously

1645
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 5: is there hasn't been one since November twenty twenty, which

1646
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 5: even when she said that, I couldn't believe it was

1647
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 5: that long ago. I mean, I'm lucky enough not to

1648
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 5: have a mortgage, but twenty twenty long time ago. And

1649
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 5: the problem that we now have is that Michelle Bullock

1650
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 5: is very bullish on inflation. The rate went from four

1651
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 5: point three five down to four point one. What's that

1652
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 5: meaning to people? Well, you know, on a mortgage, if

1653
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 5: you've had twelve rate rises in a row, one cut

1654
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 5: of point two five doesn't do a hell of a lot.

1655
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 5: The banks will quickly jumped in and said, yeah, well

1656
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 5: we'll pass it on. The only problem is, I don't

1657
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 5: know how it happens in New Zealand, but here, unless

1658
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 5: you ring your bank up, you don't actually get the cut.

1659
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 5: And so many people you know, are able to probably

1660
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 5: hold on to that cut and try and pay a

1661
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 5: bit more off on their mortgage. But Michelle Bullock said, look,

1662
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 5: there are a lot of upside risks here. The market's

1663
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 5: too confident about future rate cuts, so that immediately send

1664
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 5: everybody into us spin. And she just kept on saying, look,

1665
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 5: it's inflation. We've got to get inflation down. If we don't,

1666
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 5: you're going to continue to have high interest rates and

1667
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 5: you're going to continue to pay a lot more money

1668
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 5: for everything from an insurance and groceries to petrol. So

1669
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 5: she said, we don't know what the demand and supply

1670
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 5: gap is here. It's very uncertain. It would be really

1671
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 5: good to see some recovery in the supply side of

1672
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 5: the economy, but the economy is flat. So what does

1673
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 5: that do to an election? Well, I guess it gives

1674
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 5: Jim Charmers, the Treasurer, and the Prime Minister Anthony Alberaneasy

1675
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 5: a boost. It gives them a launching pad to be

1676
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 5: able to say, look, not only have we kept unemployment low,

1677
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 5: we've managed to get to interest rates to start to

1678
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 5: come down and so you can trust us to run

1679
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 5: the economy. Whether the Australian public will buy that, I'm

1680
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 5: not too sure.

1681
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: Well, I was watching him, mister Dana's press release, press conference,

1682
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 2: and you're certainly working really hard. When are they actually

1683
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 2: going to call the election? If it's April twelve ish,

1684
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: when are they calling that? Because it's I don't know

1685
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: if I've noticed, but it's the nine teenth of February.

1686
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. I don't know the exact date. I mean,

1687
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 5: there was a lot of speculation earlier this week that

1688
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 5: would go and call it on Sunday. I don't think

1689
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 5: that'll happen. There's a problem where there is a wa

1690
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 5: election in the way and they don't want to trample

1691
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 5: all over that. I don't think we're going to have

1692
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 5: a budget. I just don't. I think that's a stretch.

1693
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 5: So a couple of weeks time, I think you'll probably

1694
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 5: call the election. You're probably right April twelfth, so most

1695
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 5: likely day.

1696
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm reading yesterday about these new laws in

1697
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: New South Wales anti semitism. You get some jail time,

1698
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 2: eleven thousand dollar fines. All that's separate to what's happening

1699
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 2: in Melbourne.

1700
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 5: Now.

1701
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 2: Is there some sort of federal response to this legally

1702
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: speaking or not?

1703
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 5: Well, the Feds have been really weak on this whole thing.

1704
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 5: They're leaving it up to the states. And anti Semitism,

1705
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 5: I've got to tell you in this country is just

1706
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 5: completely out of control.

1707
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 4: Now.

1708
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 5: The latest development in Melbourne where the major hospital at

1709
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 5: public Hospital, the Alpha Hospital on the edge of the city.

1710
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 5: The Health Minister was forced to come out yesterday woman

1711
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 5: called Mary and Thomas and say the workplace is no

1712
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 5: place for pro Palestinian protests. Now. What has been happening well,

1713
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 5: staff and that includes doctors and nurses, have been pinning

1714
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 5: pro Palestinian badgers to their lanyards around their necks and

1715
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 5: dotted around the hospital. Dozens and dozens of anti Israel

1716
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 5: stickers on beds and on hospital walls. Now you can think, well,

1717
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 5: you know, that's just pathetic and who cares? Well when

1718
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 5: you take it in the context of that phone call,

1719
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 5: over that social media post where the two nurses started

1720
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 5: talking about people being killed in hospital because their Israeli

1721
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 5: it would not make you feel very comfortable. I don't

1722
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 5: think if you were Jewish and you were about to

1723
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 5: go in for emergency operation in one of our major hospitals.

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01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,560
Speaker 5: It's just unbelievable.

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 2: And what are they doing in the center. Surely hospitals

1726
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: are festooned with CCTV cameras, can be hard to get

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Speaker 2: these people.

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Speaker 5: Kenneth Well, company of one of the doctors there, adoptor

1729
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 5: Mohammed Gilhan, was forced to resign. That was after he

1730
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 5: called slain terrorist Sinowa a martyr and labeled hamas the resistance.

1731
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 5: That was in the speech that ended up online. This

1732
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 5: boat's quit. Another guy's turned up walking around at work,

1733
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 5: and there is CCTV footage of this wearing a kefia

1734
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 5: around his shoulders while he's wandering through the hospital. I

1735
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 5: don't know how, I don't know what the solution to

1736
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 5: this is, but we've gone over the edge. I just

1737
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 5: hope it doesn't happen to your country.

1738
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 2: We have absolutely gone over to here to be fair,

1739
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 2: I mean, there's some certain advantages of being a small,

1740
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: isolated island at the bottom of the world, and a

1741
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 2: lot of that angst just hasn't turned up here, which

1742
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,919
Speaker 2: is encouraging. Now, the landed, I mean, I like Vlandi's

1743
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: to the sense he's obviously one of those let's let's

1744
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 2: give it a world. You know, what's the worst that

1745
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: can happen? But is he really going to get Trump

1746
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:58,919
Speaker 2: to Vegas?

1747
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 5: Well, if anyone could, Peter the Land's probably could. He's

1748
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 5: bobbed up on Fox and Friends, the hugely successful conservative

1749
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 5: TV network in America, with a message for the new president,

1750
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 5: Donald Trump. Now he's seen Trump obviously go to the

1751
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 5: Super Bowl, He's seen Trump go to the Day Turn

1752
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 5: at five hundred. So he said, oh, we'll have a

1753
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 5: crack and invite him to come along. The opening round

1754
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 5: of the NRL. Four teams play against each other in

1755
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 5: Las Vegas to kick the season off in a couple

1756
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 5: of weeks time. So the Landers has gone on and said,

1757
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 5: we played the toughest game in the world. We don't

1758
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 5: wear pads, and they have shown all this vision of

1759
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 5: rugby league bloats smashing into one another. Why don't you,

1760
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 5: mister president, come along and I know you like I mean,

1761
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 5: he's seen him at the UFC as well. Why don't

1762
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 5: you come along and watch the most brutal football game

1763
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 5: on the planet. Donald Trump's who knows, he likes Vegas.

1764
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 5: He's got his own hotel there. Maybe he will turn up.

1765
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: Man, what a coup? I go, well, mate, we'll see

1766
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: next week. Appreciate it very much. And isn't that a

1767
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 2: funny thing? I've been I'm going ever since he went

1768
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl, I've been going, how hard is

1769
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 2: it for a president of the United States to take

1770
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: advantage of a publicity opportunity? No president ever had turned

1771
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: up at the Super Bowl until Trump did. Daytona same thing?

1772
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 2: Was that yesterday or the day before whenever it was?

1773
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 2: And if they land them at the in Vegas. But

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01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 2: here's my problem with Vegas. The Warriors of course a

1775
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 2: part of that, and I see that as a distraction.

1776
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 2: I don't think that's an ideal start to the season.

1777
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 2: Probably as a promotion for the sport. Fantastic if it

1778
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: takes off in America brilliant. But if I'm a team,

1779
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 2: if I'm a coach, I'm not really interested in traveling

1780
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 2: halfway around the world with all the baggage that that entails,

1781
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: not least of which is jet lag, foreign country, different ground, hype, noise.

1782
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: You know, I want to concentrate on the season, and

1783
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 2: given how well we're going pre season unbeaten. By the way,

1784
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 2: if you're not following this two for two, I mean

1785
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: one was close, but you know we did well last weekend.

1786
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just I'm really interested in just you

1787
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 2: get much closer. It didn't get much closer than that.

1788
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: But I'm interested in getting on with the season, not

1789
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 2: frippery and distractions.

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01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 23: How do you feel about the All Blacks Island rematch?

1791
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 2: And as well in Chicago? Is it Chicago? I mean,

1792
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: for goodness sake, that hasn't worked. It's never worked, So

1793
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 2: let's do it again. Yes, so let's do some more,

1794
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 2: shall we. I mean, we saw San Diego again, we

1795
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 2: saw Chicago, America, God bless. And they've got other sports

1796
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 2: that they got pickleball, they're not interested in rugby. It

1797
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: isn't going to take off. Give it up. Eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: The high asking Breakfast Fall Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: B it is I'm just looking at some pictures. I'll

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01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 2: tell you about shortly. Yes, yeah, it's not good. I'll

1802
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: come back in a moment, by the way, seven out

1803
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 2: of ten, just to make you feel good that we're

1804
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 2: not that bright in this country. In terms of school

1805
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 2: past rates, which were not of course, more than seventy

1806
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: percent of Australian high school students failed the latest round

1807
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 2: of CIVICS citizenship testing. That's the worst results in a

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01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 2: couple of decades. Proportion of Year six students who met

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01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 2: the proficient standard in Civics forty three percent, dropped from

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01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 2: fifty three percent in twenty nineteen. Only twenty eight percent

1811
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: to be a year tens past the assessment slightly for

1812
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 2: thirty eight percent. Civics and Citizenship Triennial Assessment measures the

1813
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 2: knowledge of Australia's government rights and legal obligations, national social values.

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01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: Two thirds of the Year tens had high levels of

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01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 2: trust and civic institutions. This has fallen since the last round.

1816
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: Only a third of students had a high degree of

1817
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 2: trust in the media, not surprising. Twenty four percent in

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01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: social media. I don't know why we don't do something

1819
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 2: similar here.

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Speaker 23: Well, wouldn't we have to actually teach civics in the

1821
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 23: first place.

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01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 2: That'll be the clue. With ash open the schools, people

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01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 2: turn up and stop whining about the school lunches for

1824
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,839
Speaker 2: a start, concentrate on the civics.

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01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 23: I mean, to be fair, I mean nobody surely nobody

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01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 23: in Australia understands how the electoral system works.

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01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 2: Now I don't and I study it.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that a lot of the

1829
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 23: people who are actually you know, members of the various

1830
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 23: Senate I say that they don't have a clue.

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01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 2: Singapore, by the way, did their budget last night, Just

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01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 2: to give you an insight into what a small island

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01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 2: nation with five million people that successful can actually do.

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01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: There were tax breaks, there were consumption vouchers. This is

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01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 2: the first budget under their new Prime Minister, Lawrence Wong,

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01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: last before the general election. They're voting to know or

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01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: Buy November this year, every household got eight hundred sing

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01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: dollars in consumption vouchers. If you're above the age of

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01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 2: twenty one or the age of sixty, you've also got

1840
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 2: an additional six hundred or eight hundred dollars bout to

1841
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 2: commemorate the country sixtieth year of independence. Sixty percent personal

1842
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 2: income tax rebate also announced. Fifty percent rebate for corporate

1843
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 2: income tax for companies minimum benefit of a couple of

1844
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: grand even if they're not profitable, as long as they're

1845
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 2: active and have employed at least one local person. Will

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01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: also increase the co funding levels for companies that raise

1847
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 2: the salaries of lower wage workers countries. Well, the country's

1848
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 2: only expanded by four percent last year, so you know

1849
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: things are difficult. If Singapore could secure an average of

1850
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: two to thirty percent growth per rannum over the next decade,

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01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: we'll be able to create better jobs and opportunities, improve

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01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 2: standard living. Jealous nine Away from nine.

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Speaker 2: good day for Toyota. They're releasing their third issue of

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Speaker 2: what they call a Leap Forward in a third generation

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Speaker 2: fuel cell. It does a lot of really interesting things,

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1881
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: don't forget F one launch at the O two and

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Speaker 2: ten minutes. Oh John, Speaking of which.

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Speaker 1: Five trending now with Chemist Warehouse Stop paying too much?

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Speaker 2: Yip in a moment opening of the F one season,

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Speaker 2: well sought off. This is the big O two event,

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Speaker 2: the O two Arena to night in London. Jack Whitehall,

1887
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Speaker 2: who by the way, is very funny. Daughter went to

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01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 2: the show. He was here a couple of weeks ago

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01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 2: with dad and mum and did allegedly did a fantastic

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Speaker 2: show and palled loved him anyway. He's hosting Caine Brown,

1891
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 2: who was the last I saw at the college football

1892
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 2: He was fantastic too. He's been in the country as well.

1893
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 2: Has there anyone who hasn't been in the country. And

1894
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 2: then obviously the problem we have in the country is

1895
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 2: everyone gets here and then they leave, and so that's

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01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: issue for another day. So came Brown. He's singing some songs.

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01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 2: So all the teams are there and they've got their cars. Unfortunately,

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01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 2: Liam's also gone a bit viral and he's been named

1899
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: the worst dressed. I've got a photo in front of me.

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01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 2: Max is there. Max is wearing a suit and not

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01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: a bad looking suit. He's got a T shirt under

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01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 2: the suit and he's wearing some trainers, so it's sort

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01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: of a fairly modern and that's what you would wear

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01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 2: to the O to Alena sort of look Christian as

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01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 2: An Horner, the team boss. He's wearing a tucks, some

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01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 2: Peyton shoes, an open neck shirt. He looks fantastic. I

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01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: think Jerry dressed him.

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01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 24: Liam.

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01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 2: Liam looks like Liam Law normally does when he turns

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01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,919
Speaker 2: up to the track. Some sort of faded loose jeans,

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01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 2: not quite Kendrick Lamar Mom jeans but not far off.

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01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 2: Some trainers not uncool, and what looks to be a

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01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: Swan drive.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's like he's gone with the shack at Yeah,

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01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 23: but it's all buttoned up.

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01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Is it part of his catman do deal? I asked

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Speaker 2: this question anyway, We'll get the feedback and present it

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Speaker 2: to you tomorrow when we return. As always, Happy Days.

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