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Speaker 1: On the huddle of me this evening, we have Morris

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Speaker 1: Williamson and Claar Door Hello you too. Hello, right, let's

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Speaker 1: deal with it.

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Speaker 2: What's there?

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Speaker 1: Go on? So hello to him? I did did you? Okay?

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Speaker 3: I mean both of you? Hello?

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Speaker 2: Heather?

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Speaker 1: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Or all right?

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Speaker 1: So we've done the nice stuff.

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Speaker 3: What did you have for lunch today?

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Speaker 2: I didn't have any lunch today. I just got something

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Speaker 2: out of the food scraps bin. Oh.

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Speaker 1: Good from you, Morris. Good segue. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about that park that one for now clear. What did

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Speaker 1: you think of what happened in parliament with that? Smart?

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Speaker 1: As Debbie says, super chess move from Chris Bishop.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: He gets a gold star on his chart as Leader

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Speaker 3: of the House for that because it was a smart

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Speaker 3: move and he only really outsmarted those who hadn't thought through.

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Speaker 3: What would I do if I was trying to shut

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Speaker 3: this down until after the budget? Because it's just sitting

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Speaker 3: there as a very obvious thing. So I think it's

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Speaker 3: a lack of knowledge of standing orders, a lack of

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Speaker 3: wh used to shut the house DOWNE just quietly every

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Speaker 3: now and again. And you know it is an obvious

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you think of it, Marris? Did you

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Speaker 1: think of it?

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Speaker 3: Was?

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Speaker 2: Well, my worry is with Jerry Brownly, the speaker. I

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Speaker 2: just think Jerry's lost the plot. I think when he

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Speaker 2: read out on Thursday that he was going to allow

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Speaker 2: there is now. Then he was going to allow as

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Speaker 2: you'd have ended up with was multiple days, if not

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Speaker 2: the next stage amendment. Let's move it from three days

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Speaker 2: of a suspension to four days and then debate that.

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Speaker 2: He said anybody who moved an amendment would all people

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Speaker 2: He forced it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What did you think of that, Claire?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was pretty obvious that it did

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Speaker 3: I think Jason Walls wasn't able to see the Speaker's face,

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Speaker 3: And I think the same too for Chris Hopkins, whod

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Speaker 3: disproportionality as he argues of this punishment, it's also clear

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Speaker 1: What did you can notice that, as Claire? What did

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think he expected it. Whether he in a sense

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Speaker 1: Just caught off guard then by what happened.

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Speaker 3: Caught off guard, I think the person. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that Christ Biship kept it entirely to himself, because when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did think no, no, but but Winston was

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Speaker 2: He was despised it. And he suddenly realized that he

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you? Is that in your you just needed.

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Speaker 2: To see just look at his face on last Thursday

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Speaker 1: Such a strong opinion on what the Privileges Committee's done.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but he was bitter about them having

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Speaker 2: gone so far. He said, yes, there was a room

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Speaker 2: debate with as many I've never heard any speakers say,

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Speaker 3: It's also seldom that you've seen the public galleries closed

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Speaker 3: to anyone ye observe, And I think that is highly

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Speaker 3: regrettable that that move had to be taken. If it

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Speaker 2: I think it had to be taken, you would have

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Speaker 1: I mean it is worth us pointing out right that

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Speaker 1: we may have all we've done is deferred this right.

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Speaker 1: All of these risks involved with this debate are only

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Speaker 1: being put off. It could well basically just happen in June,

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Speaker 3: For the reason the REPOI arranged in the meantime the

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Speaker 2: But the reason to put it off is really clear

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Speaker 1: Yep. All right, guys, we'll take a break and then

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Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk about those food scraps. Morris, right, Morris,

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Speaker 1: tell me about the food scrapspin. Are you guys going

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Speaker 2: I'm hopeful we will. I've been opposed to it right

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Speaker 2: I want to know any counselors that are happy to

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Speaker 2: tell rate payers you should be paying seventy four dollars

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Speaker 2: those who do want to have a food scrapspin have

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Speaker 2: one and they should pay the true cost of it. Now,

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Speaker 2: what you get from other councilors so far saying is

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Speaker 2: all but any costs and incurred across society to be

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Speaker 2: spread across everybody. Well, last week I just had someone

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Speaker 1: Bucks to help you with that.

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Speaker 2: I think you should chip in, and so should clear

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be It's nonsense. It's absolutely nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Can we come and swim in your pool?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Well no, equally, do you want to go through it?

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Speaker 2: You can pay for it?

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Speaker 2: Well, in our area, I think it's about twenty eight

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Speaker 2: I've done many, many pictures along the street. It's less

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Speaker 1: Also listen, but it's just on the side.

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Speaker 2: What it is not only if you want it, you pay.

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Speaker 1: Not only is it a cost for everybody when when

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Speaker 1: But even the bigger crime is that it is economically

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Speaker 1: just ridiculous because you're paying fourteen hundred dollars per carbon

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Speaker 2: Correct, It was just virtue signaling by those councils at

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Speaker 2: the time. Will look like we're doing something to save

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Speaker 2: the planet. About eighty percent of what they trucked to Reparoa,

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Speaker 2: the trucks, about eighty percent of it is water. Were

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Speaker 1: Listen? Bill is texting me furiously. He says, I was

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Speaker 1: that the water is retained within the vegetables. And they're like,

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Speaker 1: that's why it's eighty percent water? Or is it actually?

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Speaker 1: Are we? Are we talking about the water that's produced

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Speaker 1: by the decomposing process.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's like anything. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: human body seventy five percent of work.

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Speaker 1: Can we squeeze it out?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right. If you crush the stuff, all the

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Speaker 2: take the dried or the squash stuff.

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Speaker 1: Don't they do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's well, they thought that it was actually they

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Speaker 2: found out it was more expensive and energy wise to

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Speaker 2: do the crushing and the drying than it was to

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Speaker 2: just carry the truckloads of water down there. In the end,

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Speaker 2: this is a lunatic policy. I'm going to be really

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Speaker 2: interested to see any counselors who vote to retain it,

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Speaker 2: because they got to face their rate payers, and two

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Speaker 2: service but pay for it. It's wrong and it should

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Speaker 2: be user paid too.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Claire, I am starting a campaign to get

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Speaker 1: rid of these stupid elemins, and I've got Morris on

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Speaker 1: board as you can tell, and the Auckland rate Payers

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Speaker 1: Alliance would you like to join?

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Speaker 3: My brain is aching from what I now know about

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Speaker 3: food scraps that I didn't know before. You two have

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Speaker 3: got going on the top.

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Speaker 1: And you are shock, aren't you? You are shock?

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Speaker 3: Are shaken? I mean, if you can't use the food scraps,

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Speaker 3: just pop a bit of ice and it put your

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Speaker 3: shard Mayana and off you go. Heather, Honestly, I wish,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I do care about the cost that's been

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Speaker 3: imposed on people. I hadn't thought it through as well

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Speaker 3: as Morris hasn't got hot under the collar a food

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Speaker 3: scrap scrap because by passed me out from now. But

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go and.

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Speaker 1: Read up about it. Listen, I appreciate it from the

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Speaker 1: having food fights of the village square.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All I want to say is clear, there's shortly something

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Speaker 1: you care about that we can spend that thirty six

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Speaker 1: million dollars on. You know that would be better?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Totally?

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Speaker 1: There is like libraries.

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Speaker 3: Oh love a library. Get the least building fixed up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we just raved the money and reduce the clear

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Speaker 2: how about we just reduced the thirteen billion of debt

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Speaker 2: by that much? That would be good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Marris, you go do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, she's on board, she's behind you, she's on.

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Speaker 2: Just upsets me that every time there's a saving people,

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Speaker 2: so or what could we spend it on? Well, actually

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Speaker 2: we've got thirteen thousand million dollars of debt.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you are your sensible dad, aren't you?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 1: We wanted some treats and you say no, put the

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Speaker 1: money away. All right, it's good though we need boring.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Morris Williams and Clear de Lure huddle

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