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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from news Talks at be.

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Speaker 2: Ah So Good. Groov ar Mada are legends of dance

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Speaker 2: and electronic music. Tom Finlay and Andy Cato make up

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Speaker 2: the duo and have been pumping out tracks for more

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Speaker 2: than a quarter of a century, now building a reputation

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Speaker 2: as one of the very best. They've captured the magic,

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Speaker 2: they've reached iconic status. They've had to cancel gigs because

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Speaker 2: they were scared that too many people would turn up. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's the thing. And now they're coming back to New

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Speaker 2: Zealand to round off our summer with a bang. Tom

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Speaker 2: and Andy of groov Armada are with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Kyoto guy, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Tom. Maybe we can start with you. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to make either of you feel old, but I'm also

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Speaker 2: aware it. There's almost what thirty years since you guys

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Speaker 2: started playing music together. Is the rush that you get

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Speaker 2: from being on stage, whether it's djaying or as part

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Speaker 2: of a live performance, is the rush the same today

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Speaker 2: as it's always been.

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Speaker 4: It's it's different, but like it's still there, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's still really exciting. It's like in some ways, it's

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Speaker 4: like it's quite intense because there's that sense of like,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're probably near the near the twilight of

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Speaker 4: our crib and the dawn, so you're kind of conscious

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Speaker 4: that you need to kind of, you know, really kind

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Speaker 4: of savor these moments. You know, I guess we've got

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Speaker 4: a little bit more experience and you haven't got that

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Speaker 4: kind of that you know, first night nerves. Stuff is

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Speaker 4: probably a little less intense to me than you used

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Speaker 4: to be. But yeah, no, it's always really exciting. It's

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Speaker 4: always sort of trying to come to a new space

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Speaker 4: and assess the vibe and try to make the right

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Speaker 4: decisions in the heat At the moment, that's still as

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Speaker 4: complicated as ever been.

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Speaker 2: You know, am I right in thinking that you guys

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Speaker 2: have supposedly retired three times?

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Speaker 5: I don't believe the rumors. It was to do with

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Speaker 5: the It was to do with the live shows, and

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Speaker 5: we we called it, We called it a day with

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Speaker 5: the live shows a couple of times and then made

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Speaker 5: very joyful comebacks. But the djaying has always been there

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Speaker 5: since the beginning. It's always been a kind of unchanging

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Speaker 5: backbone of the whole group of marketing experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes it. So what is it that

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Speaker 2: keeps you hanging on? What what keeps you in, you know,

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Speaker 2: savoring the kind of experience that you always have.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's just you.

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Speaker 4: Know, like it's done for It's just a really love

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Speaker 4: to be able to do for a living, you know,

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Speaker 4: like it's like we still love music, you know, where music.

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Speaker 3: File files first and foremost and.

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Speaker 4: So and then partly it's just that sort of I

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Speaker 4: think we grew up like as everyone did, but for

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Speaker 4: us in that kind of the weekend was such a

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Peteng used to say welcome to the weekend on the

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Speaker 4: front and that was just like what everything was about.

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Speaker 3: And I still feel like I live in that rhythm

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Speaker 4: You know, I can't quite imagine not having the odd

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Speaker 4: it's perfect.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how much music has changed in the last

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Speaker 5: Obviously with the digital.

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Speaker 2: Revolution, the tools that are available to artists and musicians

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Speaker 2: have massively expanded. How do you guys reflect on the

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Speaker 2: music that you were making in those early years with

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Speaker 2: the kind of tools that are accessible for artists these days, well.

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Speaker 5: It has completely changed, as you're saying, And like all things,

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Speaker 5: there are good bits and bad bits, you know. So

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Speaker 5: the idea that you can make a sort of professionally

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Speaker 5: on options is a very creative force, and I think

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Speaker 5: I watched my son do it and we wrestled with

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Speaker 2: Can you explain that to me? Explain the restrictions sometimes

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Speaker 2: being a creatively beneficial thing.

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Speaker 5: Well, like you take out the river for example, defining

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Speaker 5: And on the counter was a CD that was Sounds

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Speaker 5: of the fifties Americana, and we threw that in the

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Speaker 5: song by Patty Page called old cape cod really lovely tune,

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Speaker 5: lead managed to record the trombone and then on the asample.

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Speaker 5: At the time, there's no computers at that point, so

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Speaker 5: only use little snippets of the vocal, so you've got

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Speaker 5: whole thing's done in forty five minutes, and so I

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Speaker 5: think it means that you focus on the idea rather

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Speaker 5: when you haven't got a great ideas the It's the

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Speaker 5: classic Keith Jarrett Coln concert dichotomy. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 5: you guys are familiar with that story, but Keith Jarrett

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Speaker 5: playing improvisational jairs on a piano, played preps his greatest

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Speaker 5: eve A gig on a piano that wasn't tuned properly,

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Speaker 5: And consequently, by having to think outside the square, it

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Speaker 5: which is amazing. Yeah, that is quite remarkable that the

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Speaker 5: human creativity can work in that way. Do you think

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Speaker 5: that that electronic music and that dance music is particularly

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Speaker 4: I think to some extent it might be, But I

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Speaker 4: also think that sort of you know, great dance music,

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Speaker 4: the stuff that really deserves to be that sounds distinct

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Speaker 3: Keep to half punk.

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Speaker 4: You know that AO is probably not going to create

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Speaker 3: I still think that would be fine.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, there probably is a kind of dirge of

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Speaker 4: to knock out pretty successfully. But now that's going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a frision or a magic that maybe

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Speaker 2: still comes from the human element. Well, it's the types

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Speaker 2: at the very least you're listening to news talks. He'd

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Speaker 2: the Jack Taim speaking with Tom and Andy who make

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Speaker 2: up Groove a Mada ahead of the March shows. How

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Speaker 2: important are collaborations for you guys from a creative perspective

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Speaker 2: in particular, How has that helped to maintain the magic

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Speaker 5: I think it's been been critical. You know, I'm in

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Speaker 5: the and just an amazing privilege to spend time you know,

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Speaker 5: Candy Staton, Richie Richie Haven's, Nana Cherry and a whole

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Speaker 5: with a lovely kind of pad, and then you setting

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Speaker 5: and you get a load of vocal ideas and in

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Speaker 5: you build it all around that. You know, that's that's

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Speaker 2: Is it just a case of trusting your gap?

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Speaker 5: What else is there?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's like either you feel it or you

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Speaker 5: that goes on there till eventually it ends up in

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Speaker 5: the groove Armada lane. It's a pretty wide lane, but

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Speaker 5: it's also it's a very distinctive blend of where both

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Speaker 2: How do you distinguish between each of those respective ways

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Speaker 5: These are things that you just can't really put into words,

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Speaker 5: these situations, like I am already knowing what Tom's feeling

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Speaker 2: Tom, you're trying to be a CBT therapist, right to

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm practicing as a CBT therapist now. So well, I'm

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Speaker 4: more of a counselor now. But I work at a

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Speaker 4: three days a week and it works really well. Actually,

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Speaker 4: it was really lovely day. Actually I worked with students

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Speaker 4: and had some really interesting conversations and then but they're

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Speaker 4: tell them I'm going off to Australian New Zealand to

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Speaker 3: So it's that perfect.

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Speaker 4: But it's been been a really lovely thing to do,

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Speaker 4: and I particularly love this population now, Like I worked

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What was the attraction about about CBT therapy in particular,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's there's you know, like I think

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Speaker 4: I really think they're great, and people are much more

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Speaker 3: So I am just personally CBT was quite effective for me.

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Speaker 4: You know. It's about kind of essentially saying that your

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Speaker 3: And I found that was really youthful for me.

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Speaker 4: Actually these days I do a bit more than just CBT,

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Speaker 3: To me and it was usually helpful for me.

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Speaker 4: Luckily, I've been really good since then, you know, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, that's fantastic. And Andy, we've seen you with

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Speaker 2: around here. But tell us about your involvement with regenerative farming,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it started on the way back from

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Speaker 5: That led to me selling my publishing rights to finance

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Speaker 5: a farm in France, getting a very humbling lesson in

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Speaker 5: also that when we do do that, you know, the

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Speaker 5: And having seen that, it became a mission that I

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Speaker 4: To do so.

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Speaker 2: Well, gentlemen, it is a real pleasure to speak. We

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Speaker 2: very much appreciate you giving us your time and cannot

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Speaker 2: wait to have you in New Zealand. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: Tom and Andy, Thanks lluch Jack, see you soon, Catch

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Speaker 2: you soon, catch you very soon. In fact, Groove Armata

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